RaiderDamus Sees The Future: Week 7- Raiders vs. Chiefs
by RDreamer on Oct 21, 2011 3:45 PM PDT
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PrintGreetings, Raider Nation. It is I, RaiderDamus, the duke of divination, the sultan of sage, the prince of precognition, and the World's Freshest Man. On this day of all days I bring you tidings from beyond the material plane, to account what will occur between the Raiders and Chiefs in their Week 7 matchup. As usual, all will be revealed to you as it was revealed to me.
The problem with looking at this game, as in looking at all games, is the issue of unpredictability- what may be is separated from what will be by a massive gulf. There are a lot of "may be" situations, but the goal of a seer is to separate the wheat from the chaff, as it were. This week, nobody knows for certain who the Raiders' quarterback will be, and that makes a vision somewhat difficult. Carson Palmer is undoubtedly a better player than Kyle Boller, but Boller has been in the system for two years and is comfortable running the plays. Do the Raiders go with the athlete with a cannon arm who isn't prepared, or the caretaker QB with limited ability with knowledge of the system?
Most reports say that Boller will be the man. As a fan, I'm cool with that. However I think Palmer will get some run, and Pryor might even get in there for a spell as well. So for my purposes here, as in my column yesterday, I will simply refer to "Raiders QB" and you may fill in the blanks on your own.
Raiders QB will have a good day. He will take advantage of the Chiefs' poor safety play and the fact that Brandon Flowers can only cover one receiver at a time. He will throw several deep balls and complete only two of them. That may not seem great, but these will be gigantic gains in critical situations. He will also gash the Chiefs with screens and intermediate slants. Wherever the safeties are supposed to be, that's where he will throw. It will work wonders.
Darren McFadden will also have a good day. The Chiefs appear stout against the run, but that's because their schedule has been full of cupcakes (minus Buffalo) who don't or can't run the ball, minus the Vikings. That is all the Vikings can do. If you want to see what the Chiefs' defense is REALLY like, wait until they hit this part of their schedule: Patriots, Steelers, Bears, Jets, Packers, Raiders. They will lose all of those games and probably lose them all by double digits. I really can't understate how awful the Chiefs are without Eric Berry and Jamaal Charles. They have nothing.
Back to McFadden- teams haven't had success running off tackle against the Chiefs, but McFadden will. He will have success right up to the point where holding is called on the offensive line, bringing back a massive rush. However, he will remain undeterred, and break off several big runs of over 15 yards. He will also be a large part of the passing game, catching several passes in the flat and keeping the defense honest.
Jacoby Ford will have a lot of return yards, even though the Chiefs will focus on stopping him. They will only succeed in that he will not score.
DHB will have another good day and solidify his place amongst the good receivers in the league. No more bust label for him.
As for the Chiefs, as I mentioned previously, they have nothing. They are terrible. If Cassel got into trouble last year he could throw to Tony Moeaki and it would usually go well for him. No Moeaki this year. Cassel does have Dwayne Bowe, who should have some success. The only way KC scores is by throwing constantly to Bowe and letting him use his athleticism and height, and/or Raider penalties bailing the Chiefs out of hopeless situations. The Chiefs' entire season is one giant hopeless situation so that should be nothing new to them.
I can't write about the Chiefs anymore. It's depressing. There's nothing to write about. The Raiders are going to slaughter them.
Raiders win, 27-13.
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Very important game this week we MUST keep pace with the stinking Chargers
also for those in close enough proximity
@Raiders You are invited to visit Al Davis at his final resting place at the Chapel of the Chimes 4499 Piedmont Ave in Oakland Sat & Sun 10 am – 5 pm
by Ozraider on Oct 21, 2011 3:51 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
24-20 Raiders
I can’t see a slaughter, even if its the Chiefs. It is a division game, our offense is sending Kyle Boller to start, and even if Palmer came in he may not know the game plays too well. I imagine that they will stack the box and blitz Boller to keep him uncomfortable. I imagine they will initially succeed. However, over time the Raiders will pull away. As you have said, they are the better team. I think a big game from Bush and DMC will put them away in the end. Smash mouth football to break the spirits of the Chiefs. Can’t wait!
by lakers007raiders on Oct 21, 2011 4:08 PM PDT reply actions
Like the prediction!
Might I add that the Raiders D will make life on the rush-less Chief very difficult? The Raiders , less Al Davis, are a blitzing, attacking defense. The gloves are off per-se’. This will be key to Cassel not having a great day. Blitzing and exotic looks is the key to a good defense IMO, and the Raiders have been that over the past two weeks: Check out this great read:
Go Raiders!
not sure why the link did not post
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2011/10/20/SP1O1LKB5R.DTL
ok no more attempts at a link
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2011/10/20/SP1O1LKB5R.DTL
read that and others. I've also noticed it watching
we’re sending everybody. LBs, safeties, corners… multiple guys, and disguising coverages and blitzers with one or the other showing then dropping into coverage or vice-versa, and also mixing up coverages and playing much more zone. I loved the Mitchell quote on McCoy telling him he expected more man from us. I also like that we’re doing things to not show the QB we’re manning up or going zone. Bresnahan is doing a fine job, and the addition of some much needed talent at key positions will only help us blossom. I’m expecting some big turnovers and plays from the defense this game, and more importantly, a dynamic developing between the pressure and the coverage… just like old times…
Ball hawking defensive backs and linebackers, a deadly vertical deep threat passing game and arguably the best rushing tandem in the league? sounds like a bully to me! GO RAIDERS!!!!!!
"tough times call for perseverance and a tough mind. I have been told that I can't play football before. We all know what happened with that. #neverquit"--Mark Herzlich
""The massive Raider Nation is beyond doubt the sleaziest and rudest and most sinister mob of thugs and wackos ever assembled."--Hunter S. Thompson
Uh rushless?
Check the stats kid, we’re sixth in rushing! Not to bad going from first to sixth especially losing the best back in the game for the season!
The value of life can be measured by how many times your soul has been deeply stirred!
by wwJamaalCharlesdo on Oct 21, 2011 6:50 PM PDT up reply actions
especially losing the best back in the game for the season!
He’s not even the best back in Missouri
Clippers own staples center!!!
by ClipperBEAST on Oct 21, 2011 6:53 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Stats don't lie just except it in your heart little guy!
The value of life can be measured by how many times your soul has been deeply stirred!
by wwJamaalCharlesdo on Oct 21, 2011 6:55 PM PDT up reply actions
I got a tip for you "little guy"
Dont let stats determine if a player is good or not
Clippers own staples center!!!
by ClipperBEAST on Oct 21, 2011 7:07 PM PDT up reply actions
Wait a minute I'm giving you a pass
“Clippers own Staples” wowzers! Your sports knowledge is definitely more superior than mine.
The value of life can be measured by how many times your soul has been deeply stirred!
by wwJamaalCharlesdo on Oct 21, 2011 6:59 PM PDT up reply actions
Wait a minute, you're an asshole!!
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by ClipperBEAST on Oct 21, 2011 7:09 PM PDT up reply actions
I'd rather be an asshole
Than a complete moron thinking Jackson is better than Charles. Yeah I hate the Raiders there is no other way for me but that doesn’t mean I will discredit Darrens skill and name another running back that cant even hold his strap and call him better. I know your comment stems from you not liking the Chiefs which is understandable but at the end of the day we both know if you had the chance you would take jamaal over Jackson on the Raiders anyday of the week.
The value of life can be measured by how many times your soul has been deeply stirred!
by wwJamaalCharlesdo on Oct 21, 2011 7:15 PM PDT up reply actions
I guess your right,
We got off at the wrong foot, sorry for calling you an asshole, its just that these Raider-Chiefs games always pump me up!! :)
Clippers own staples center!!!
by ClipperBEAST on Oct 21, 2011 7:18 PM PDT up reply actions
No worries I'm pumped to!
Obviously you guys have a lot more going for yourselves than over here on the Chiefs side, so you can be more pumped than me! :)
The value of life can be measured by how many times your soul has been deeply stirred!
by wwJamaalCharlesdo on Oct 21, 2011 7:21 PM PDT up reply actions
Times are great in Oakland right now!!
Anyways I always wanted to ask a Chiefs fan this question:
Is Matt Cassell your qb of the future?
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by ClipperBEAST on Oct 21, 2011 7:26 PM PDT up reply actions
Jesus... He is our right now qb
Good game manager but can’t put a game on his back. Obviously he has had his moments but every dog has his day. We got a young cat in Ricky Stanzi picked him up in the draft this year so we will eventually see if he can shine. I think I can speak for myself and majority of Chiefs nation and say that the chances of Cassel getting us to the SB are very slim, but you never know thats why they play the game.
The value of life can be measured by how many times your soul has been deeply stirred!
by wwJamaalCharlesdo on Oct 21, 2011 7:35 PM PDT up reply actions
Stanzi was a gamer in college. Under the right coaches and in the right situation
I think his skills could equate to this level, but, therein lies the rub sometimes, especially when a guys not your prototypical 6’5 250 pound guy with a perfect throwing motion. Success for guys who aren’t is often arbitrary.
"tough times call for perseverance and a tough mind. I have been told that I can't play football before. We all know what happened with that. #neverquit"--Mark Herzlich
""The massive Raider Nation is beyond doubt the sleaziest and rudest and most sinister mob of thugs and wackos ever assembled."--Hunter S. Thompson
Stanzi kind of reminds me of Grad
RIP Al Davis
by RyanTheRaider on Oct 21, 2011 8:47 PM PDT up reply actions
McFadden got traded to the Chiefs? !!! And got hurt?
How long have I been passed out?
by lchristmas on Oct 21, 2011 7:02 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Nah, Im talking about Steven Jackson, Rams RB
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by ClipperBEAST on Oct 21, 2011 7:08 PM PDT up reply actions
If Boller starts I think he can at least keep us from losing and gives Palmer more time to prepare.
If Palmer starts he will get the hang of Raider play that much faster. I prefer that Palmer starts but I am more concerned about him getting banged up before he begins in the manner that Ford came off injury at the Bronks only to be quickly pulled out of the game with injury and awkwardness. These are enduring questions with no definitive answer, but it’s a good thing we are playing the lowly Chiefs to get us through this game. I still feel reasonably confident we can win with either qb. Since Palmer has been working out, keeping in shape, and practicing throws on his own, I am expecting that after the bye when we face the Bronks that Palmer will be at the helm and with a decent performance. This should prepare him well enough to go to SD with a respectable degree of confidence. I am not expecting a high scoring game. Raiders 21 Chiefs 17, GO RAAAAIIIDEEERRRSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I'll be glad if it's a Raider blowout
but I think it might be a lot closer, simply because we are starting Boller. No knock on him, since I’m not too familiar with his Ravens days, but I think the Chiefs are going to try their utmost to make him throw more. That being said, if the Raiders can get a big victory, that’ll show how far this Raider team has come, winning a division game with their backup quarterback. After all, if this was one of the Raider teams from the previous 8 years, we’d probably be writing this off as a loss, due to the circumstances. This Chiefs team is certainly beatable so I do expect nothing less than a Raider victory.
Close, maybe
But not on account of Boller. This is historically a hard-fought matchup, so I think we will see some of that on Sunday.
Raiders 21, Chefs 14
Refuse to tiptoe through life only to arrive safely at death
My confidence level, although still low overall, did go up a little when I saw Boller do that long drive on Cleveland.
Boller started off terribly against the Browns but he made a few nice throws to DHB later on and seemed to improve his accuracy as they game went on. I hope to see more of this if he starts against KC. I think the Browns are better than KC at this time and believe Boller has enough management potential to make it through this game, particularly because I think the run game will save him.
by RaiderPsycho on Oct 21, 2011 4:35 PM PDT up reply actions
Unfortunately I didn't get to see much of Boller against the Browns
save for a couple of plays. His swing pass to Jacoby Ford seemed a little rushed, although that might be because he was still trying to get into the swing of things. I think the run game should save him, but there may be trouble if he’s forced to throw more than 25 times. Hopefully he doesn’t make any mistakes, and just manages the game well. If he can do that, and our running game is successful, we should win.
I hear that bro. Boller can be a bit haphazard and throw picks.
That’s why he should throw not as needed, but when he absolutely has to in order to keep the picks low. The game plan must be set for a heavy Oak running game.
by RaiderPsycho on Oct 22, 2011 9:50 AM PDT up reply actions
28 - 24 us
I’m not too confident in the defenses of either team, and I think DMC and Bush have a very good game.
Classy
@billromanowaki Noticed that Syracuse is honoring Al Davis, an alum of the school, with AL stickers on their helmets. Very nice
RIP Mr Davis
by Ozraider on Oct 21, 2011 5:02 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
Orangemen Rule!
Rock on, Syracuse. Among the top ten NFL stud factories, and deservedly so.
"tough times call for perseverance and a tough mind. I have been told that I can't play football before. We all know what happened with that. #neverquit"--Mark Herzlich
""The massive Raider Nation is beyond doubt the sleaziest and rudest and most sinister mob of thugs and wackos ever assembled."--Hunter S. Thompson
Syracuse is owning them hard
RIP Al Davis
by RyanTheRaider on Oct 21, 2011 7:48 PM PDT up reply actions
Raiders-28 Chiefs-10
Defense takes a big step forward,Boller manages, Run game dominates,Palmer gets some time late in the 4th when the game is already decided.
RIP Al Davis
Campbell was just on the radio
He’s a really classy stand up guy. I wish him nothing but the best and if something happens and he gets his job back, I’ll root for him all the way.
The Autumn wind is a Raider
Pillaging just for fun
He'll knock you 'round and upside down
And laugh when he's conquered and won.
+1,000,000,000
so unfortunate; the Nation won’t forget he was winning games for us, and he’s welcome here as far as I’m concerned.
"tough times call for perseverance and a tough mind. I have been told that I can't play football before. We all know what happened with that. #neverquit"--Mark Herzlich
""The massive Raider Nation is beyond doubt the sleaziest and rudest and most sinister mob of thugs and wackos ever assembled."--Hunter S. Thompson
What happened to Goethel? I though he was supposed to correspond with us.
The Autumn wind is a Raider
Pillaging just for fun
He'll knock you 'round and upside down
And laugh when he's conquered and won.
Although he did not have Stabler's pronounced personality, I really like the personality that JC has as a team leader.
JC is the kind of guy who would keep loud-mouthed prima donnas in check because he would not feed into their bs. I think he has had a sobering a directive locker room presence. Think about all of the negative criticism he has taken, and it has been heavy, yet Jason never flinched. He really tried to be a team leader as evidenced during the offseason. I admire all of those qualities in a leader. I really, really hope he stays with the team. Just like the Run DMC-Bush tandem, I don’t see anything wrong with a Palmer-Campbell tandem. If we could get that, we will not have any qb worries for years, in addition to Pryor waiting and training in the wings. I know Jason will have difficulty competing with Palmer for the No. 1, but I hope he will not view himself as a No. 2 and views himself as a competitor for No. 1, which would only help the team further.
by RaiderPsycho on Oct 22, 2011 10:01 AM PDT up reply actions
Agreed.
I was super bummed out by what happened to him on Sunday. He was playing well for us and I felt like he was only going to get better as the team matured. I hope he has a speedy recovery, and wherever he ends up after all this, whether it’s with the Raiders or not, I wish him great success.
He is just a class guy I really felt for him...
Al Davis the Greatest Raider of all times... You will live forever in the hearts of true Raider fans...RIP
For sure...
Doesn’t get much better than that interview. The questions were loaded to bring out envy and hard-feelings, but JC just kept showing support. I thought it was great that he said whether as a player or as a spectator he is still part of RaiderNation!!!!
by Campbell510 on Oct 22, 2011 12:10 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
RaiderDamus, your prognosticational skills grow strong, young grasshopper!
I’ve had visions reminiscent of that game we ran all over them in the rain with Tyrone Wheatley for some reason. Didn’t we shut them down that game? I just think we’re gonna smash them in the mouth and since it won’t stop working, we’ll give them additional helpings of smashmouth until they’re ill. Mike Bush will have a huge game after the defense is beaten up from chasing Darren in the first half.
Defense will play inspired, and will be flying around the ball all day, reenergized by how well the key cogs we’ve recently added complement a defense of guys very familiar with each other and finally coming into their own. I’m all jacked up, and probably won’t sleep tonight or tomorrow!
"tough times call for perseverance and a tough mind. I have been told that I can't play football before. We all know what happened with that. #neverquit"--Mark Herzlich
""The massive Raider Nation is beyond doubt the sleaziest and rudest and most sinister mob of thugs and wackos ever assembled."--Hunter S. Thompson
I know Boller will start sunday!
Hue is a master at throwing jabs at the media and right when you dont expect it POW KABLAM There’s the heymaker. Leaving casselyscreaming great Shiver my timbers Haley they did it again. I knew boller would come in against the cheifs. We dont need to rush palmer in their, he could mess up his confidence or worse get injured. I know were relying on our run game but i think boller gots the cojoneys to run this Offense. He looked crappy as hell, but thats what id expect from someone who has been sitting on the sideline for the past 6 weeks. My only concern is if the D gets to much time on the feild. That will spell trouble for us. And with out Seabass being able to light it up from 50 yards away puts much more pressure on our O. We should win this one but any thing can happen on any given sunday. I say 21-13 Raiders go 5-2! Just Win baby!
by Raider_Renagade on Oct 21, 2011 6:05 PM PDT reply actions
I think Seabass being hurt might promt a boller start…based on we need to find ways to get the ball closer to the endzone and with Palmer we’ll have to keep a basic game plan and we all know KC will have 8 in the box dam near every play to stop DMac…I’m just hoping to get out of this game any way we can with a win…but I’m feeling a nail biter that will make gain a few more grey hairs like the Texans game…
Boller starts? Well, in that case we will see New Bomber come in and pull out a win.
Halftime Score:
Raiders 14
Chefs 23
Final Score:
Raiders 35
Chefs 26
New Bomber’s debut is huge success and Defense Plays Like a Raider in 2nd Half.
S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
"I made a trade for Seymour. ..I thought it was a great trade. Still do. [Al Davis 1/2011]
"I love to win, even against my daughters, I want to win" Hue "Action" Jackson 8/19/11
J-Mac Sorta Supports What I Posted Yesterday About Pryor Playing In This One:
Jackson also at one point said someone "would run out there first," which naturally leads to speculation about another quarterback running out there second. Or even third, should the Raiders put in some Wildcat for Terrelle Pryor.
Now that’s the kind of speculation that gets me excited…Raiders 42-16 After Pryor’s 2 “WildCat” explosions!!!
You cant say bomb on an airplane but you can throw one on the football field...
Al Davis the Greatest Raider of all times... You will live forever in the hearts of true Raider fans...RIP
I think we agreed upon "Mad Palmer" sounds like "Mad Bomber" of Raider antiquity
These are my principles. If you don't like them, I have others. -Groucho Marx
Oz ruined it; don't want to call Carson that anymore
S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
"I made a trade for Seymour. ..I thought it was a great trade. Still do. [Al Davis 1/2011]
"I love to win, even against my daughters, I want to win" Hue "Action" Jackson 8/19/11
by Sons-of-Blanda on Oct 22, 2011 12:13 AM PDT up reply actions
I posted KC 24-22 last night.
That was before I though Carson had a chance of playing. Now our kicking game may be impacted as well. There are too many distractions this week and the Chiefs want payback against us for me to pick Oakland. Sorry KC 24-17.
Trust No One
Studies show stress can kill you, but don't worry about it.
Regardless of who plays QB or kicks for us
I am curious how you see this Chiefs offense scoring 24 points
by lchristmas on Oct 21, 2011 7:57 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
RDreamer said Cassell would throw 3 picks against us. When was the last time we picked off 3 passes in a game?
I understand Indy’s D sux the floppy donkey dick but he torched them for 4 TDs & 0 INTs. I also see Boller giving up at least one crucial turnover that may lead to another 7 pts. We give up the 6th most fantasy pts to QBs right now & that includes games against Kyle Orton, Colt McCoy, and Matt Shaub’s inconsistent ass. We combined to allow a TD to INT ratio of 5-3 & gave up over 300 & over 400 in two of those games. I think it’s very possible. I’m hoping for a win. If this game was in 2 weeks after the bye & Carson was ready or the Campbell injury never happened then I would say the Raiders win, soundly. However, I think we have the short end of the stick in the QB battle in this one.
Trust No One
Studies show stress can kill you, but don't worry about it.
Colt McCoy would have thrown 3 picks against us but we dropped two
The Browns have a vastly better offensive line than KC. We will be in Cassel’s face all day.
Also, the Colts suck balls and my aged grandmother could throw for 400 yards and 5 TDs against them.
These are my principles. If you don't like them, I have others. -Groucho Marx
But that's one of the problems with out D
They drop easy picks…and then a play or two later might give up a big play like a TD. It happened a couple times against Buffalo and cost us the game.
Well the law of averages says these guys are professional football players and won't always drop easy picks
Cassel will throw at LEAST two of those on Sunday.
These are my principles. If you don't like them, I have others. -Groucho Marx
This is what I was talking about.
I am rooting for Oakland but I think there are too many distractions and the fact statistically KC is very bad particularly on defense this feels like one we might let slip away. Also unless your grandma is Aaron Rogers nobody has passed for 400 yds & 5 TDs against the Colts. Your arguments of they suck, we don’t aren’t enough to accurately predict the outcome of this game.
Trust No One
Studies show stress can kill you, but don't worry about it.
And that doesn't even mention Sanchez
Who has struggled to pass over 200 yards against most teams this season. But we allowed him to pass for more than 350 and TDs.
If we can get our running game going immediately, we should be fine. But the QB situation does make me wary.
121 yds and 1 TD came in the 4th
and we were up 2 scores most of that time.
RIP Al Davis
by RyanTheRaider on Oct 21, 2011 9:06 PM PDT up reply actions
We were playing prevent against Sanchez
We gave him alot of Zone looks in that game.
The idea was to give him a bit, but not let anything big happen. Even though his stat line looked great, we were containing their offense quite well.
We gave McCoy and co. fits when we brought the heat. This week will be no different.
I expect a big game off of our defense. I think they know that with Boller starting, they are gonna have to play lights out and give us the cushion to pull out a good ol’ fashioned brawl of a game. They have the crowd behind them and the knowledge that we stomped them twice last season, and they are statistically speaking a weaker team then they were last year, while we are stronger.
At the end of the day I expect to see the score read 28-10. We’re not gonna kick too many field goals since Sea Bass is hurting. So instead we are gonna cram the ball down their throat time and time again. With Boller starting I figure DMC and Bush will get 20 carries each. I also hope to see some Taiwan Jones if we can get out to a comfy lead.
This is going to be a big game for divisional standings. The Jets are gonna wake up and beat the Chargers and we should be sitting pretty.
by TheDudeAbides138 on Oct 22, 2011 11:47 AM PDT up reply actions
We were up late in 5 out of the 6 games
and the other game was vs Brady.That makes the passing yards against us inflated.
RIP Al Davis
by RyanTheRaider on Oct 21, 2011 8:55 PM PDT up reply actions
ding ding ding
The chiefs passing game is horrrrrrible. If we can get up early it is tee off time on cassel. If we can shut battle down and I think
we can, tee off time.
34-17, cassel throws a pick six to routt, dmc runs wild
by lchristmas on Oct 21, 2011 9:04 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
If we could shut Foster down
we can shut Battle down no problem.
RIP Al Davis
by RyanTheRaider on Oct 21, 2011 9:07 PM PDT up reply actions
We didn't really shut him down in the passing game, though.
And a lot of those seemed to be screen passes or very short dump offs. Either way he had 5 receptions for 116 yards. Plus the 60 or so rushing yards…I’d hardly call that shutting him down.
Still, Battle isn’t Arian Foster so yeah…
Part of the problem was that Groves was playing.
I know Curry has difficulty with the pass, but hopefully he performs differently in our system as opposed to Seattle.
by RaiderPsycho on Oct 22, 2011 10:11 AM PDT up reply actions
The Raiders
are 24th in passing yards per game. Yeah, truly world beaters there. McFadden won’t get 100 yards rushing. We will make Boller beat us which he can’t. Good luck Sunday.
by Chiefsfan85 on Oct 21, 2011 11:53 PM PDT up reply actions
It's You How Is Nervous...Not Me!!!...To Answer YES!!!
Palmer will have about 10 scripted plays he can run…Good enough for 2 series of play…Not sure if that’s the 1st or 2nd half…Hope it;s to open the 2nd so your half time adjustments are out the window…
Pryor has had 8 weeks in all the meetings and with that playbook…He has had one on one training and 2 weeks now of on the field prep…He’s as ready as any rookie “QB” who has even come in during the preseason and that’s about what playing your boyz is…
So mark it down…Expect it…Buy a chinstrap to hold your jaw when hit hits your chest!!!
I'm not nervous of all
especially of a 31 year old very average quarterback who hasn’t seen action since last year. Pryor might see action in a wildcat or trick play set but I doubt it. Why would Palmerr be in for anytime at all. That would hurt any rhythm with WR’s for either QB. That’s like the Eagles starting Vick for the 1st quarter then playing Vick for 10 plays then putting Vick in. Then at the end of the game put Kafka in just because. It doesn’t make sense. Boller will start and play the whole time outside of maybe one or two wildcat or trick play sets.
Why??...Why Would It Be Fun To Disrupt Your "D"???
All week the "QB"s have been splitting reps…2 at 1st but 3 when Palmer was added…So our "WR"s are rather use to is as well as the “OL” and the entire “O”…Now that was preparation for what???
Hue don’t do anything by accident…His be very well thought and planned out….Than he say “One will run out there first” when asked who will start or if he already knows who the starter is…
This is “Mind Games” Baby and being played with your “DC” in mind!!!
And Ah!!...Yes You Are!!!...You 2-n-3 Team Is On The Rocks -n- That's Very Upsetting to you!!!
Add to that the fact that you haven’t won against us the last 2 tries soon to be 3…
Your Rush “D” is #21 facing our #2 Rush Attack…
Your #28 Scoring “D” faces our #7 Scoring “O” which just got noticeably better with the addition of Carson Palmer…
Your record is against nobody and your “O” is one dimensional…
So YES!!…You are Nervous!!
What are you Chiefs fans smoking?
And can I get a dime bag?
Your team barely beat the Colts, but you are just gonna shut us down? I understand that a divisional game you can throw the stats out the window, but dude you honestly think the Chiefs are going to come into our house and wreck us?
Hell you are about 3 losses away from getting a new coach. I’ve only watched a couple clips of the Chiefs this year, but every time I see them I see Haley screaming at somebody. Didn’t he watch Singletary lose his team last year?
Nobody respects Haley as a coach. He has some tricky play calling but he obviously dosen’t know how to handle personel at all.
I respect the rivalry….But in order for there to be a real rivalry, there needs to be some back and forth.
by TheDudeAbides138 on Oct 22, 2011 11:53 AM PDT up reply actions
Oh and for the record
No Chiefs fan can say anything about the addition of Palmer after trading to get a system qb.
How’s that guy doing anyways? Still a game manager, getting paid like he’s a top 10?
by TheDudeAbides138 on Oct 22, 2011 11:58 AM PDT up reply actions
I didn't say shut down
It will be a close game, like most the games are betweent he Raiders and Chiefs.
There have been a lot of coaches that wore their emotions on their sleeves. Nothing new there. Nobody respects Haley as a coach? Is that why former players come back to play for him? Is that why most former players have nothing but good to say about the guy? Back and Forth? The Chiefs won the division last year and you guys couldn’t get it done although you didn’t lose a division game. Say what you want about the Chiefs schedule but we wont games we were suppose to. Until the Raiders become a more disiplined team you guys won’t get far. 9.3 penalties per game is just horrible. So instead of pointing out other teams flaws realize every team has flaws. You will have a hard long look at your team after they lose Sunday. Fact. If and that’s a big if the Raiders win I’ll be glad to come back and eat some crow.
by Chiefsfan85 on Oct 22, 2011 12:40 PM PDT up reply actions
Consider me eating my words
I’ll ask for seconds as well.
But we’ll see you again in Arrowhead and more then likely we won’t be fielding Boller. And Palmer won’t be in the huddle drawing the receiver routes on his hand like a schoolyard game.
Though I must admit I don’t think we need to look very hard at our team at all. We know the reasons why we lost. And we know we’re gonna beat you on the next go round. It will be a good time. This game didn’t even happen IMO.
Apparantly I’m smoking what you Chiefs’ fans are smoking.
by TheDudeAbides138 on Oct 23, 2011 10:29 PM PDT up reply actions
Typical delusional cocky chiefs fan
We WILL do this, you WON’T do that….
Our offense hasn’t passed very much because we’ve been WINNING, it doesn’t surprise me that you wouldn’t understand that concept.
Lets look at some numbers that might actually display the overall effectiveness of the offenses:
8th 11th 29th 27th
by lchristmas on Oct 22, 2011 7:42 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Typical delusional cocky chiefs fan
We WILL do this, you WON’T do that….
Our offense hasn’t passed very much because we’ve been WINNING, it doesn’t surprise me that you wouldn’t understand that concept.
Lets look at some numbers that might actually display the overall effectiveness of the offenses:
Raiders 8th in points, 11th in yards. Chiefs 29th and 27th. That is with your Pro Bowl quarterback and including 2 games in which you were being humiliated by the 2nd quarter and had a chance to basically run up stats in garbage time for an entire half.
as you so helpfully point out, we’re 24th in passing ypg (you know youre 29th, right?) and haven’t been relying on our QB to win games for us anyway. You think teams weren’t trying to stack the box against campbell? we’ve beat it anyway because dmac is not somebody you just gameplan and stop.
Boller won’t be in the spread throwing 50 times. He wont have to beat you. Our offense, defense, special teams and coaching will beat you. Probably handily.
by lchristmas on Oct 22, 2011 7:59 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
this
The losing team is usually forced to air it out. We have stopped the rush game of every team except Buffalo. New England does not count for anything under any circumstances. I will blot that game from my memory, and everyone else should too, except for the fact that RaiderDamus said the Raiders would lose and they did and I was right and you were all wrong.
These are my principles. If you don't like them, I have others. -Groucho Marx
Just saying
Their run game (patriots) isn’t that good. It is sufficient. And while Brady lit us up, it was greatly aided by a mediocre running back running all over us like the Bills. Although Jackson is a far better back. I’m just saying, if the Chiefs can run on us, trouble tends to follow. Still, I think we win though.
by lakers007raiders on Oct 21, 2011 9:53 PM PDT up reply actions
running aided by the threat of tom brady
Is juuuust a bit easier than running with the “assistance” of matt cassel’s “passing skills.” You also underestimate BJGE. hes pretty good.
by lchristmas on Oct 21, 2011 9:58 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
BJGE didn't hurt us
Stevan Ridley did.
So let’s recap. This year we have shut down the rushing of Moreno, Shonn Greene, Arian Foster, and Peyton Hillis/Montario Hardesty. That’s not bad.
As far as opposing QBs, we have shut down…. Kyle Orton and Colt McCoy. We didn’t shut down Schaub or Sanchez but we beat them anyway.
These are my principles. If you don't like them, I have others. -Groucho Marx
I'm only worried.....
because the offense isn’t ready to rock yet. The QB position is pivotal, even for running teams like ourselves. Defense is going to be huge, not just this game, but the rest of the year. It is very important to not take Cassel or whatever running back KC has lightly. I would put Cassel just below JC, near the middle of the QB’s in this league. Career backup to me, but he did a great job in NE and a decent job last year for the Chiefs as well. And since he is no Brady, I’m slightly less worried he can hurt us. Then again, any given Sunday right?
by lakers007raiders on Oct 22, 2011 4:57 PM PDT up reply actions
We've given up >250 yards in 4/6 of our games
Broncos: 272
Bills :258
Jets :339
Pats :226
Texans :403
Browns :203
But I do agree that our defense is better than the stats show.
"Weakness on both sides is, as we know, the motto of all quarrels." -Voltaire
^^that's passing yards only
"Weakness on both sides is, as we know, the motto of all quarrels." -Voltaire
I will say
that considering all the injuries we’ve had to deal with in the secondary, plus the loss of Nnamdi, our patchwork secondary has played better than I’ve expected.
I Posted This On The Other Thread But It Really Explains Your Issiues Here
Conversely, defensive problems with miscommunication and tackling have contributed to the offensive fireworks this fall, according to Zimmer and a number of personnel executives I spoke with. They all say there have been far more coverage “busts” early in the season than normal.
As Zimmer explains it, “With offenses being so multiple with their shifts and motions and different packages, they might come to the line with 10 things they can do, and if you have 10 things you can do, then there are 100 different categories when you say, ‘If they motion here, you do this.’ But if you have three checks, then it’s down to 30. Basically, we’ve slowed it down so guys can play reckless.”
“A lot of teams are going no huddle now, and that really stresses your communication,” said one NFC personnel executive.
The other problem has been tackling. According to one club’s data, more than half of the explosive pass plays (18-plus yards) in the league through six weeks started at or behind the line of scrimmage, a jarring number that speaks to the number of missed tackles seen.
“When you’re not teaching them how to tackle, and doing it physically, that’s what happens. There’s no question that with the parameters coaches have to work in now, not being able to do this or that, you’re seeing an effect. Instead of being wrap-up tacklers, you’re seeing guys becoming launchers. And on those screens and smoke-type plays, you have corners who don’t tackle, and you put bodies in front of them, and big plays happen.”
Is it really about fundamental tackling
Or is it, as I have long suspected, that the defensive players are small and the offensive players are large? Think about it for a second. I would wager that the average starting cornerback is around 5’11". The average wideout, conversely, is around 6’3". That does not even bring tight ends into account, who are usually much taller than that.
Add this to the fact that the primary basis for draft ranking status appears to be a prospect’s 40 time. It used to be, when I was growing up, that teams would draft based on how good a player is. Now if a middling prospect runs a 4.3 or under, he is suddenly a first rounder. People get on the Raiders for doing this, but in reality EVERY team drafts this way. Al Davis was not the only man obsessed with speed.
So you have a lot of really fast guys who are not exceptional football players on both sides of the ball. Now what happens when a smallish, fast defender has to cover a much larger, probably faster receiver? If he isn’t an exceptional tackler, that receiver is going to juke him out of his cleats or straight up outrun him.
There are a couple more factors at work here which I will outline. Firstly, if you go to any recruiting website for college football you will see that many kids are listed as “Athlete” instead of any normal position. This usually means they have played some skill position in high school because they were the biggest, baddest kid, but won’t be able to duplicate those skills in college. These kids usually played quarterback or wideout but will most likely be moved to safety. These kids are NOT safeties. Nobody wants to play safety in high school.
Secondly, the defensive playbooks are SO large that it takes a lot of time and energy for the players to assimilate them. This leaves only so much room for the finer points of tackling, as it’s more important to cover than tackle. Coverage schemes can be really complicated.
Thirdly, over the last fifty years we have seen players get bigger, taller, faster, and stronger all at the same time. Any NFL champion from the fifties would get whomped by today’s Miami Dolphins based on sheer size and speed alone. With that general physicality comes elusiveness. Even if a defender is a great tackler, if the receiver manages to elude him with his athleticism, the defender will be perceived as not having done a good job. This has always happened, but with the recent rule changes limiting the style of tackling that a defender can use, it will happen more and more.
These are my principles. If you don't like them, I have others. -Groucho Marx
Good points
Football players are freaks these days. Must be the water. I also think there is a fear factor involved. Tackling a bigger dude scares a lot of people in the NFL. It’s true in life as well. It’s a giant mind game. And I’ve noticed too that players go for the ball more now. They try to get the strip rather than make the clean tackle. No one complains when it works, but when a 3 yd gain becomes a 40 yd gain then people have issues.
by lakers007raiders on Oct 22, 2011 4:52 PM PDT up reply actions
My Prediction
If they let Boller have the ball he will flop, before half time they will put Palmer in and tell him to do what he feels, and it will turn into almost a backyard football game, the Raiders talent and physicality will bring it to the Chiefs and without a play book Palmer will tear them apart with the run and accurate passes to whoever is open. Just for this game though.
lol. backyard sandlot ball, huh? how cool would that be?
I hope it doesn’t come to that. I think Boller will manage fine, and we’ll do some things to make it easy for him. And welcome to the site. I just noticed your first post. Pretty cool, man! Prophetic, perhaps? Right when JC got hurt I posted that someone needs to channel Al and make Carson happen…
"tough times call for perseverance and a tough mind. I have been told that I can't play football before. We all know what happened with that. #neverquit"--Mark Herzlich
""The massive Raider Nation is beyond doubt the sleaziest and rudest and most sinister mob of thugs and wackos ever assembled."--Hunter S. Thompson
I know how much you like Pryor so this will be a buzzkill for you lol
“I mean, that’s a big package,” Pryor said of the playbook. “I only had two days of practice; that’d be an awful lot (to expect to absorb), but if it was cut down, of course.”
Pryor has been in offensive meetings, but he said, “Going in the classroom and being on the field is two completely different things, you know. … I’m just trying to get the grip down on calling the plays fully …”
“My confidence is never a problem,” he said confidently. “Serious. It’s never a problem. I’m a very confident guy. I carry myself highly; it’s not a problem.”
Pryor’s actual passing, based on a small observation window when he arrived, could be a problem.
This is from an article earlier this week. Click here to read the whole thing.
"Weakness on both sides is, as we know, the motto of all quarrels." -Voltaire
Interesting...So Last Week Pryor Was______???....Not Getting 1st Team Reps So Maybe Scout Team???
Now he has had 8 days of practice and 6 with the starting unit getting his share of the reps which would have been half up til Palmer came in to make it 3rds……That’s still enough time for him to make an appearance in this game…He said he could run the “O” in a simplified version…That’s all I was ever expecting at this point…Like any rookie who makes his 1st appearance in the preseason but Sunday will possibly be Pryor’s preseason…
Which fits because playing “KC” ain’t much more than a preseason game
Will be tight til the 4th
A typical AFC West battle. Records and stats are out the window. I see our D stepping up and holding KC to 10 points in the 1st half to our 14. We pound them with DMC and Bush but only reach the endzone twice 1st half. Second half our D brings the heat and allows nothing. We continue to run down their throats and when they tire in the 4th DMC breaks a big one to go up 21-10. Raiders 21 Chefs 13. I would love to see Boller handle this one and again against Denver. Go to S.D. on Thursday night with CP and they have no tape on him at wheel driving the Ferrari.
One Nation under Al with Hue leading our Troops
No chance palmer doesnt start against the donkies. I LIKE the idea of SD not having film on him but theres film of him from last year..i think he should sit out this week and have 2 weeks to prepare
by angelraiders on Oct 21, 2011 10:51 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
"Raider Nation is amazing" - Carson Palmer
Check out Greg Papa’s interview with Carson Palmer by clicking here. Seems like the fans left a pretty good impression on him lol.
"Weakness on both sides is, as we know, the motto of all quarrels." -Voltaire
I just this feeling that KC has a day of horrors again
and we crush them at the stadium riding a growing wave of Hue Jackson’s Raider mania:
31-16.
Yeah Raaddad, we want the Chiefs to be saying at the end of the game...
“Oh the horror of it all.”
by RaiderPsycho on Oct 22, 2011 10:19 AM PDT up reply actions
Come to think of it we are getting close to halloween. The Raidahs are gonna spook them.
I recall T. Kelley saying to B. Waters last time we played regarding Cassel: “They need to pull him out of there, he looks spooked!” A post was written about that and we spoke about how Cassel must have ended the game with acute stress disorder or PTSD! Hahahah!
by RaiderPsycho on Oct 22, 2011 10:24 AM PDT up reply actions
Well, it looks like one team 'had nothing'....and it was the Raiders!!!
Chiefs 28 vs Raiders NOTHING!
Not only did the Raiders lose to a team whose “entire season is one giant hopeless situation”, but they got SHUT-OUT at HOME. Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha, so damn funny . . . Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha!
To quote Tommy Kelly, the Raiders “ain’t the Chiefs”, SOOO true. LoL
On a serious note, best wishes to DMC’s speedy recoverory and good luck to your team vs everyone who is NOT the Chiefs.
by DivineGrace on Oct 23, 2011 8:23 PM PDT reply actions 2 recs
Isnt that funny?!
LoL I read that line after this game and immediately got a rush. Sorry about your luck… All I got to say is EAT IT. 28-0 is pathetic and the Raiders obviously are in trouble. haha
Winning isnt a matter of life and death, its more important than that.
Matt Cassel IS our franchise QB, and I cant wait to rub it MOST of your faces... YOU KNOW WHO YOU ARE!
Well, to you KC trolls if you consider injured players are not a factor...
So you can say so what if Jason was hurt. You can say that Charles, Berry and Moeki were out of the game. Well, if you consider that all of your hurt guys were healthy and put back in the game and we put all of our hurt guys as healthy back in the game and you would have a repeat of the 2nd game last year, but I won’t make excuses and eat crow for now. May I suggest that we wait until next game when Palmer finds his groove with the receivers and with Run DMC healthy again. Then we will see what happens, I mean, I must admit that I knew Boller sucked but I had no idea he was going to be this bad. Sort of like what you guys did last year when Cassel had an appendectomy and Croyle started, don’t ya think?
Also, I know that one particular poll really means nothing, but when you consider ALL of the polls...
I think there is no question who the football world believes is the better team. Enjoy while it lasts because it won’t be for long.
by RaiderPsycho on Oct 25, 2011 5:23 PM PDT up reply actions
Yea we can wait.
But we will have to wait until next year, cause you are saying wait til ALL your guys are healthy, but J.C, Tony and Eric will still be out. So no, we cant wait. Next year, if everyone is healthy, we will talk. J.C alone can change the game, not to mention Tony and Eric
Winning isnt a matter of life and death, its more important than that.
Matt Cassel IS our franchise QB, and I cant wait to rub it MOST of your faces... YOU KNOW WHO YOU ARE!
damnit
Was gonna say yea we can wait, until next year, cause our three starters, pro bowlers and all pros, are out the whole year. So maybe next year, yall will get a REAM redemption
Winning isnt a matter of life and death, its more important than that.
Matt Cassel IS our franchise QB, and I cant wait to rub it MOST of your faces... YOU KNOW WHO YOU ARE!
REAL ahhhhhh
Winning isnt a matter of life and death, its more important than that.
Matt Cassel IS our franchise QB, and I cant wait to rub it MOST of your faces... YOU KNOW WHO YOU ARE!
What about next game when we will actually have a qb?
Since you believe your team is so dominant anyway, we will see the outcome soon enough.
by RaiderPsycho on Oct 26, 2011 7:50 PM PDT up reply actions
By the way, if I truly believed you had a better team, I am gentleman enough to concede.
But your team has hardly convinced me. You are speaking more in terms of the rivalry, and not about the current state of affairs, or should I say, it would be more convincing how this turns out as this season ends and not on a game-to-game basis. If at the end of the season ends and it appears that the outcome is in your favor, I will gladly eat crow.
by RaiderPsycho on Oct 26, 2011 7:56 PM PDT up reply actions
Thats fair
But you think Jason Campbell wouldve saved you guys? He wouldnt have changed how good our corners played your receivers, AT ALL. Maybe he wouldve however, saved a couple picks. But our Offense still drove for 2 TD’s… I mean, its all heresay at this point.
But like you said, our team hasnt convinced you, your team hasnt convinced me. And if your team has convinced you, than ours should as well, we are missing a very HUGE part of our offense, the best back in the league (opinion), a great SS and good to great TE… I dont know, seems like its real hard for this site to give credit to the Chiefs when they clearly played better than the Raiders, with or without that QB situation… AND yall were talkin shit like whoever was in there it wouldnt matter cause the Chiefs were sorry and couldnt beat them regardless. So you should already be eating that crow. I forget who said it on here but they said “Boller really impressed me at the end of that Cleveland game, so i think we are ok regardless, its the chiefs” lol. JUST GIVE CREDIT WHERE ITS DUE DAMN!
Winning isnt a matter of life and death, its more important than that.
Matt Cassel IS our franchise QB, and I cant wait to rub it MOST of your faces... YOU KNOW WHO YOU ARE!
You did not initially receive credit because you stepped in with the wrong attitude. Let me clarify...
On our site we tend to make jokes of other teams just as on your site you commonly make jokes of other teams including the Raiders, and it’s all in good fun on each respective site. The difference is that I respect you on your site and would not ever troll in the manner that you did on our site. That made me a little bit defensive because I don’t take to trolls well especially when they begin with smack-talk at the level of a 12-year-old child. I don’t know how old you are but you will have to exhibit greater maturity when you talk to me. I have no problem at all acknowledging credit when it is due and you guys still won it fair and square if it makes you feel better, so I eat crow now and won’t do so in the future because this is where it ends. I, for one, do try to improve blog relations with of all sites, AP, and I think if you speak with people like upamtm and mnchiefs they will heartily agree. In the future you should focus a little better with whom you are blogging with and how you behave. Please relay this message to your friend, divine grace. If we blog again, let’s make it respectable and share intelligent football knowledge without the suspiciousness and negative attitudes.
Signed, Raider Psychologist
by RaiderPsycho on Oct 27, 2011 7:45 PM PDT up reply actions
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