Patience
Patience. You hate that word, don't you? I know I do. We're expected to show an awful lot of patience in our daily lives. Patience standing in line at the DMV while some idiot in front of you has filled out the wrong paperwork and is now preceding to argue with the person behind the counter as if that will help. Patience sitting in traffic. Patience waiting for your tax refund. Patience because somebody is perusing the menu at BK in front of you like they were looking for filet mignon or something and can't find it, and all you want is to get your burger and get out. Patience sucks. F**k patience. "Patience is a virtue," they tell us. Yeah, whatever.
We have, however, little choice but to show the bare minimum, especially in Raiderland. Raider fans have been very patient. Have sat through several rough seasons, AFTER watching a debacle in the Super Bowl. But we wait because we're fans, and because the team is getting better. The Super Bowl is no longer some imagined otherworld, it's out there, a speck on the horizon, but getting closer.
Exhibit A - Darren McFadden. Who here called him a bust in either of his first two years? I may well be guilty of this myself. He got off to a rough start, didn't look like he could stay healthy, showed flashes of brilliance, but often times just seemed a regular guy, and look at him now. We didn't want to have to wait two years, but it was well worth the wait, was it not?
Exhibit B- Darrius Heyward-Bey I know for a fact I called him "bust" on many occasions. He was terrible his first season, in particular. One of the worst receivers I've ever seen, and I watched Willie Gault in Chicago for years dropping passes. Everybody remembers DHB's bobble against KC that gave them the ball....But that was then. This year he is Mr. Reliable, leading all Raider receivers in catches and yards. He's been in on several crucial plays when we had to get the first down, getting open, grabbing the ball, and making a play.
Exhibit C- Jason Campbell. Jason had a rough start with the Raiders last season, had to be benched his second game even. Granted it wasn't all his fault, the O Line was truly awful some of those games, and he would have at least a couple of other bad games, as well. But over the course of the season, he did prove himself our best QB (I might take some flak for this from some, but if you're really being honest, you'll admit it). Jason still has his flaws, but he's also put up some solid numbers, played some really good games. I'll be honest, I was against bringing him here in the first place. I said no way do the Redskins give up on a guy who can still do it. But he can still do it, we became a better team because of him. The Skins, meanwhile, are stuck with John Beck and Rex Grossman.
Exhibit D- Rolando McClain Naturally we all hoped he'd come out and dominate like Willis his first year, but that's not quite the way it worked out. He's not there YET. It's important to remember that he was drafted, thrown in to the middle of a questionable defense, and told to learn on the fly. He did not have the benefit of watching a really good LB play to learn from. He represents what would be the middle of the "bell curve" of patience. The point where we're getting antsy to see him become great, but our patience will have to hold a bit longer.
Exhibit E- Carson Palmer. Carson is at the beginning of the curve. Unless you've been living in cave, you know how controversial this trade has been, and the Cleveland game did not help his case one iota. Still, for those of you who were flat out against the trade, thought it was too expensive, in the end you might be right. But the deal is done and it can't be reversed even if they wanted to. We're going to have to see how this plays out now, and there will be grumbling and yet even more patience will be needed. You want to debate Campbell vs. Palmer, knock yourselves out. But you know after we give away that many picks, he's the guy now. Obviously, we don't have 2-3 years to give him to see what he'll become as we do for our rookies, but let's give him a real chance before we judge him. Maybe come the end of the season, we do another poll on what people think of this trade. At that point, we ought to have a good idea of how things are shaping up.
Now let's not ignore the opposite end of the spectrum. Our patience does have limits, and nobody is going to get 10 years to determine if he was worth the time and money put into him. We know well the players who've not made it, names like Philip Buchanon, Robert Gallery, Fabian Washington, Derrick Gibson, players who simply not pan out for us. And then there were the complete busts of whom we've spoken at length. So as we practice patience with some of our younger players and newer team members, let's remember it's not for nothing. They'll shine for us relatively soon, or they'll be gone. And as for the draft picks we've spent either by using them or trading them, the dice will continue to roll every year. As Cube said:
"What's the haps on the craps?
Shake 'em up, shake 'em up, shake 'em up, shake 'em
Roll 'em in a circle of homies and watch me break 'em
with the seven, seven-eleven, seven-eleven
Seven even back do' Lil' Joe."
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I'd say DVD
Has inched up the curve just a tad. He is finally learning to read the quarter back and adjust to make a play.
Another good example. DvD showed some toughness Sunday in improved tackling and also coverage improvement.
S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
"I made a trade for Seymour. ..I thought it was a great trade. Still do. [Al Davis 1/2011]
"I love to win, even against my daughters, I want to win" Hue "Action" Jackson 8/19/11
by Sons-of-Blanda on Oct 25, 2011 6:10 AM PDT up reply actions
We made a ALL IN trade
We unfortunately dont have much time for patience.
by Ozraider on Oct 24, 2011 4:07 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Bye week helps.
CP should be able to pass well against Denver’s secondary, and our D-line will be healthy. We need Reece back. Tonga made some decent blocks, but I saw Bush and Jones tripping over his fat ass just as often
by ROFLCOPTER16 on Oct 24, 2011 4:11 PM PDT up reply actions
The bye week is definitely at the right time
Last week coming in to the KC game was such an insane week with a lot of upheaval for this young team, you could consider losing a leader like Jason to be a somewhat traumatic experience so while it’s devastating to lose like that against the Chiefs so a poor performance is maybe understandable. It is up to Hue and Carson to pull this offense together and how well this happens will define the season as well to a certain extent Hue ans a coach and Carson as a Quarterback.
Excellent point, but C’mon, Palmer is the definition of rusty. I hated the trade, but what’s done is done, all we can do is be patient.
i agree with that
but the reality is time is f the essence, we missed a great opportunity last week and unfortunately we dont get any extra sympathy wins because our QB is rusty
This bye week
Will be the WD-40 for this rust of which you speak. A veteran like this who has stayed in shape should adjust well to this offense given two solid weeks of practice time. Consider that the skill players are working with him now, and consider that CP only really needs to get some vocabulary issues ironed out while creating some fluidity with his new toys.
Refuse to tiptoe through life only to arrive safely at death
Patience is a virtue. Seldom found in a woman. Never found in a man...
But totally agree. We get to be patient for 13 more day until we play the donks thats always a plus.
And a bye week I hope to hell heals us up.
Bleh
I’m going to bathe in the sweet taste of defeat for the next week. We lost to a bad team, and that hurts. Worse, that bad team was the…………Chiefs. No excuses, the team lost and KC played better. It happens. The last 3 games have been a roller coaster of emotions. How often does your team lose it’s ultimate leader, it’s field general, and drop a goose egg against a hated rival all within 3 weeks? This will go down as the greatest BYE week in the history of the Oakland Raiders. My enthusiasm shall return prior to the Donks, till then, I shall sulk with pride. Just BYE Baby!!!!
by lakers007raiders on Oct 25, 2011 12:48 AM PDT reply actions
Must admit your first three exhibits have won your case. Sunday, the only receiver to distinguish himself out there was Exhibit (DH)B
And when Exhibit A left the game our offense stalled. For all my criticism of Exhibit C, we probably would have won the game if he’d played. As for Exhibit D, Blackstock played as well or better Sunday so I suppose McClain gives me an opportunity to practice patience.
S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
"I made a trade for Seymour. ..I thought it was a great trade. Still do. [Al Davis 1/2011]
"I love to win, even against my daughters, I want to win" Hue "Action" Jackson 8/19/11
by Sons-of-Blanda on Oct 25, 2011 6:20 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Interesting post because it is a good illustration of both sides of the CP trade debate.
Firstly, it shows just how valuable having a first round draft pick actually is. Everyone on your list was a first round draft pick.
Secondly, Palmer is the only player on this list who has potentially cost two first round draft picks, so why shouldn’t the expectation on him be that much the greater?
BTW is Carson Palmer the most expensive player in NFL history, based on draft picks alone? Has anyone else been drafted number one and then been traded for more than another one, number one draft pick?
not even close to the most expensive trade
Hershel Walker made the Cowboys that led to 3 SBs; Ricky Williams pretty hardcore. CP is simply Cinci taking advantage of Raiders in a hurt moment. Yes we overpaid but not if we go deep in the playoffs 2 years straight. This trade is about winning now when we have enough foundation to build something. We need to beat the Broncos and then we can find our mojo.
by raiders4liffe on Oct 25, 2011 7:52 AM PDT up reply actions
I was thinking purely in draft point value...
I found this:
http://www.draftcountdown.com/features/Value-Chart.php
and thought it would be interesting to look back in two years time and work out what is total draft point value was over his carreer. He already has 3000 points as a number one pick overall.
by animal_mutha on Oct 25, 2011 9:16 AM PDT up reply actions
Shamelessly bumping my own post but...
the total number of draft points spent on Walker in both his original draft and by the Vikings to trade him was 4959.2. As I said Palmer has already accumilated 3000 points of draft value it is entirely possible that two further first round picks could exceed Walkers carreer total.
Interesting eh?
by animal_mutha on Oct 25, 2011 9:28 AM PDT up reply actions
We gave to 1st rounders for Stork. I forget what else we gave but at least those 2.
by RaiderPsycho on Oct 25, 2011 6:31 PM PDT up reply actions
Do you happen to know what number those picks turned into? Just so I can do some more pointless maths.
by animal_mutha on Oct 26, 2011 4:33 AM PDT up reply actions
Nope, too far ago for me to remember.
This sounds like it might take a little research, time that I don’t have for at this time.
by RaiderPsycho on Oct 26, 2011 5:07 PM PDT up reply actions
It's only one #1 Pick
The second draft pick is conditional. And that wonderful condition is if we make it to the Championship game in the next two years. So if that happens, then yes the trade was worth it. On one hand I like how everyone assumes it will be two # 1’s. The truth however may be that Palmer cost one #1 and a #2. I hope it does become two #1 picks, cause that means this team will be on the verge of greatness!
by lakers007raiders on Oct 25, 2011 10:32 AM PDT up reply actions

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