Is a Goal of Seven or Fewer Penalties for our Oakland Raiders a Realistic One?
by brhynno on Oct 31, 2011 3:40 PM PDT
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PrintThe 2011 Oakland Raiders are statistically among the team's worst in several categories, almost entirely due to the teams' propensity to commit penalties that give up third down conversions when the defense makes key stops, and giving opposing teams first downs in scoring situations, and offensive ones that negate clutch chain moving drives and even change outcomes and momentum of games. We have long known that the Raiders are typically league leaders in penalties per game, and even historically the great teams of Raiders past have had to compensate and overcome the yardage and conversions lost to penalties; this year's team is no different.
We also know that the brand of Raider football we expect to see means we'll draw a few more flags than the other guy, and essentially do not wish to see that characteristic of silver and black gridiron change. What we do wish for, is for the costly stupid penalties to come to an end, and we want it to happen now. The false starts. The neutral zone infractions. The personal fouls for getting caught up in the hoopla and taking the bait of opponents who look to take advantage of this aspect of our game.
Hit the jump for some great links from Aleatoric on the subject, and some awesome video work from NinjaGoro highlighting where we continue to struggle.
Aleatoric was good enough to post this provocative and telling piece that highlights the concerns, and we are in agreement the message needs to be sent to coach Hue Jackson and the organization that we need to see, not an end to penalties, but a significant reduction, and that we can ensure this problem doesn't compound an already difficult path to the playoffs by costing us wins we'd otherwise be getting. We aim for less than seven, and ask that coach make this the highest priority. We know it has been a focus of his, and see the struggle. We are also aware there have been other bumps in the road to getting to where we are, but have faith that we can reach a goal if it becomes and remains the highest priority.
Here are some of the links Goro provided us:
GORO'S VIDEO BREAKDOWN OF WEEK 6 PENALTIES VS. BROWNS
while you're there, there is some other great stuff DEFENSIVE #S VS. TEXANS. Some great slo-mo and player profiling worth checking out if you haven't already. I felt it was worthy of front page, and will post on future stuff of his for sure.
When we look at them in back to back games like this, we can see where we have repeat offenders, and perhaps understand better what continues to ail us in the flag department. Bottom line: it's a key problem, one I think could cost us too many wins this season if not curbed, and as hard as I try, I don't see us improving significantly enough in time for a difficult stretch of schedule approaching.
Many thanks to Aleatoric and NinjaGoro for the great work. My expectations following a bye week of preparation is that we see fewer than seven versus Denver Sunday. The Nation has faith in you, coach Hue.
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I would go for the second choice.
As long as we don’t make stupid penalties that would allow the opponent to gain a bunch of yards on the play (like pass interference) or penalties that would negate a huge play on the offense (holding is one of the biggest issues IMO), we are fine.
Nintendo, Yoshi, and My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic fan.
Were not gonna win in this catergory
Number 1: im pretty sure 70 percent of our team is uner 5 years exp, im guessing their discapline ant great.
number 2: I believe were gonna attract more penaltys due to Al’s “love” for the NFL, and the zebras pretty much get their checks signed by the people al pissed off.
number 3:Were Raiders, yeah i agree its a problem but its not costing us games, not yet anyways. It s part of our mystque our identety! The only ones we really need to stop are the damn 3rd down ones.
by Raider_Renagade on Oct 31, 2011 4:57 PM PDT reply actions
It's third down D that kills us, not 3rd down penalties.
Penalties in general have nearly killed us, though.
by ROFLCOPTER16 on Oct 31, 2011 4:59 PM PDT up reply actions
that going to be hard
the raiders are know to put Fear in the Refs eye’s the saying is don’t cross the raider player at all because he will not have any mercy for you!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oEgQARSzaI0
Jack tatum that why raiders will never get less flags NFL will always view the raiders as the bad guys!!!
how many picks(ix)'s will River have tonight?
No ESPN the Chokers will not win the AFC West… they are just ‘too soft’
by AuthenticA'sfan on Oct 31, 2011 5:32 PM PDT via iPhone app reply actions
The Oakland Raiders have signed....
veteran cornerback Lito Sheppard.
by AuthenticA'sfan on Oct 31, 2011 5:39 PM PDT via iPhone app reply actions
Todd Haley finds a rat.
In 2006, Haley filed a 1.7 million-dollar lawsuit against McDonald’s after his wife found a dead rat in her salad. The salad was purchased at a Southlake, Texas McDonald’s restaurant while Haley was a member of the Dallas Cowboys coaching staff. His wife and their live-in babysitter began to eat before noticing the rat, and were said to have become violently ill afterward. The rat was described as a “juvenile roof rat” that was 6 inches long, lying dead on its back with its mouth open.
_wiki Todd Haley
by AuthenticA'sfan on Oct 31, 2011 6:19 PM PDT via iPhone app reply actions
A problem of culture
As of my writing, only 11% of the poll takers believe that <7 is a realistic goal. The penalties have been a problem for so long that we’ve come to accept them. We’ve gone so far to justify our penalties by saying the refs hate the Raiders or that the penalties are a part of our game.
To be clear we’re only asking our team to cut back ~3 penalties a game and be ranked about 22nd in penalties. I looked at some data to see if that has ever been done before. Turns out that I didn’t have to look far. Just in the past 5 years, many teams have done just that. Seems like there are 4-6 teams every single year who improve their penalty rank by more than 10. You can see the numbers by clicking here. Note that low rank is bad (most penalized) and high ranks are good (least penalized). If you don’t care for ranks, click here to see all the teams that have reduced their penalty counts by more than 20% in just 1 year. Here are two of my favorite examples
Minnesota – Most penalized team in 2007, 20th the year after.
Packers – Most penalized team in 2010, 29th in 2010.
If all of these other teams can turn around their problems, if 22 teams in the NFL can commit fewer than 7 penalties each game, then why not us?
"Weakness on both sides is, as we know, the motto of all quarrels." -Voltaire
that the Pack was able to do it and look like they do is a testament to how they came into their own as a team last year
and appear to have continued to mature. Let’s hope we’re in a similar stage. I think growing in simple execution and together as a unit in several aspects, e.g. O line unit, defensive front seven, special teams pkgs, should also help.
It’s absolutely a culture thing, and it’s disconcerting to be at games and hear fans lend to this by booing refs for bad calls, and not the players who committed clear stupid penalties. I think we’ve worked hard to change that part of the culture anyways, but we’ve clearly got a ways to go. That our veterans have been guilty for bad ones is no more a comfort.
"tough times call for perseverance and a tough mind. I have been told that I can't play football before. We all know what happened with that. #neverquit"--Mark Herzlich
""The massive Raider Nation is beyond doubt the sleaziest and rudest and most sinister mob of thugs and wackos ever assembled."--Hunter S. Thompson
watching hali just dominate...
veldheer only got beat once for a 10 yard hold.
and on the hold, he overadjusted to the outside
and had to hold to compensate. Hopefully he learns to avoid that mistake in the future; it appears he learned from it in that game.
"tough times call for perseverance and a tough mind. I have been told that I can't play football before. We all know what happened with that. #neverquit"--Mark Herzlich
""The massive Raider Nation is beyond doubt the sleaziest and rudest and most sinister mob of thugs and wackos ever assembled."--Hunter S. Thompson
Well coached teams......
Don’t even come close to the penalty yards we rack up. Well Coached teams have DISCIPLINE ,which is why they are successful and we are not.
In all fairness I’ve watched this club for 44 years now and I have seen more SHIT calls (“Tuck rule”, “Immaculate reception” and the list goes on and on and on) made against us because we as a team and a Nation stand alone on our own island, the bad boys the league .thats no excuse for being a disciplined footbal team though , and if we want to win it has to start with the coaching staff. And it has not in my opinion.
Jackson says " the time is now". Well ACT like it Coach and instill some discipline in this squad. without it we remain a bunch of undisciplined bullies ,and that and a dollar will buy us a cup of coffee – Not a championship. R.F.F.R.
ime is now"
so right
let’s hope we see what we need to see this week to indicate we’re on our way; I’m with you in not seeing it as of yet.
"tough times call for perseverance and a tough mind. I have been told that I can't play football before. We all know what happened with that. #neverquit"--Mark Herzlich
""The massive Raider Nation is beyond doubt the sleaziest and rudest and most sinister mob of thugs and wackos ever assembled."--Hunter S. Thompson
I like what you said but
your talking about the team that sue the whole NFL buddy and won!!! give us any thing is out of the Question yes they did a whole day for Al Davis out of respect but that it. the Raiders will never be on the NFL Xmas card list!!! and I know Al Davis wouldn’t want the NFL Xmas card anyways!!!
At one time
I had a theory the Raiders play better with penalties at least in the 10’ campaign. I remember watching the 49er game and I think we had under 5 penalties, but I think most Raider fans would agree that was probably the ugliest game we played other than the Titans game that year. But I’m wrong penalties are just the Raiders playing stupid, undisciplined football.
No, SF was uglier, then Pittsburgh and Miami ... only then Tennessee
KC is the ugliest this year followed by NE
S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
"I made a trade for Seymour. ..I thought it was a great trade. Still do. [Al Davis 1/2011]
"I love to win, even against my daughters, I want to win" Hue "Action" Jackson 8/19/11
by Sons-of-Blanda on Nov 1, 2011 2:42 PM PDT up reply actions
its also a scientific fact that BLACK has a subconscious negative effect as it is perceived as aggressive and intimidating
even when wearing road whites, the raiders obviously still have the black representation, plus the unfavorable road whistle anyway. realistically, no matter who owns and reps the raiders (RIP AL), we will probably never get a “fair” whistle.
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