Hue Jackson Promises to Build Bully, Fans Bullied Instead
by KA1Z3R on Nov 7, 2011 1:33 PM PST
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When Hue Jackson became the coach of the Oakland Raiders after the firing of Tom Cable, many fans were ecstatic. There would be consistency, a fiery leader, a man who really knew football and commanded the locker room.
Hue promised to build a bully. He brought promises of being a mean, tough football team. And sure enough, the team jumped out to 4-2 and looked every bit the part. They were hard hitting, never gave up, they ran it down teams' throats, and they imposed their will.
However, recent developments have this team sitting at 4-4 and lucky to be tied for the AFC West lead. Hue Jax City's promises of the bully has instead turned into bullying the fans. Read on after the jump.
Raider Nation was beginning to feel genuine playoff aspirations. Division title dreams danced in the heads of all. But then it happened, Jason Campbell went down. Campbell had become a true leader who fit the team like a glove. He wasn't flashy, and he wasn't perfect, but he rarely turned it over and kept the offense balanced enough. From there, it all went downhill.
Some looked to the injury of Darren McFadden, others to the horrid play of Kyle Boller and Carson Palmer, still others called out the defense, I personally can look no further than Hue Jackson, who's proving to me that the tragic death of Al Davis will hurt the team more than I initially thought.
Hue Jackson has become simply infuriating since gaining control of the team. Trading two high-end picks for a past-his-prime QB who isn't mobile enough to survive in the scheme. It sounds bad doesn't it? It only gets worse.
From Carson Palmer, it seems Hue Jackson suddenly believed he had inherited the 09 Colts with Peyton Manning and all. In the Chiefs game, whether it was Boller or Palmer, there was a near complete abandonment of running the ball. I look at the first series of the third quarter as prime evidence.
Boller has just come off throwing three interceptions, a task not even JaMarcus Russell ever accomplished, and Michael Bush, meanwhile, was averaging around 6 YPC. So what does Hue Jackson, in all of his infinite football wisdom, decide to do? Pass the ball on all three downs, two passes nearly being intercepted. Such playcalling continued with Palmer, coming off only three practices, which led to three more INT's in a half of football.
This play calling would continue against the most recent loss to Denver. Michael Bush would only receive 19 carries, which he would gain 96 yards on, while Palmer would attempt an ungodly 35 passes. Really? Incredibly rusty QB against a great pass rush and Champ Bailey, you attempt 35 passes? This is just simply unacceptable.
Hue Jackson has seemingly gone from power, smashmouth football, to finesse pass heavy overnight. Oh wait, you mean there's more? Why of course there is.
Hue Jackson would now appear to be playing the game I hate most in football, the game of Favorites. Darrius Heyward-Bey was quickly going from scapegoat to savior. A legit #1 receiver on pace for nearly 1,000 yards. He was catching just about everything and being utilized to perfection. But then came along another one of Hue Jackson's old pals from Cincinnati. TJ Houshmanzadeh!
Housh brings about a striking resemblance to one Javon Walker. A washed-up vet once renowned for his physicality and sure-hands. His best days behind him and his play quickly fading. With no one taking a chance on him, he was signed up by the Raiders and thrust into an almost starter role.
Housh was put on the field for a great deal of Oakland's passing plays and the ball was forced his way multiple times. This resulted in only one grab for 22 yards. Meanwhile, DHB was left to the bench, seemingly put into Hue Jackson's doghouse, only seeing about 10 or 13 snaps of passing plays.
I know it's only one game, but I bet this will become a regular thing. After all, DHB was a controversial Davis pick. Housh is Hue's old buddy. It feels as though Hue may soon attempt to distance himself from the former Davis pick while trying to make his own move of Housh seem brilliant.
The same is also going on with Brandon Myers seeing far more snaps than the far better TE, Kevin Boss. Why Boss isn't seeing the field of Myers is beyond me.
Meanwhile, amidst all of the terrible playcalling, the game of favorites, the poor personnel moves, the quitting of a team that understandably feels slighted and without a real, dependable leader, the real victim has been the fans. Whether it be crushed dreams, frustrations, sense of wasted dollars on tickets, or nightmares of a team who's future may have been sunk by the Palmer trade, the fans have been the real victims of Hue's bully these past couple weeks.
Maybe things will change, maybe Palmer gets his groove on, maybe DHB actually gets to see the field, maybe Hue will call more run plays for once, but somehow I just can't shake the feeling that this team is reverting quickly. Sinking the future on the washed-up, haphazard gunslinger while throwing the man the team considered its true leader under the bus might come back to haunt the team for many years.
Jason Campbell was a QB who really cared, really gave it his all, and could light a fire under the team. He was beloved and fit perfectly on the team and in the scheme. Big bully Hue is muscling his way in and appears to be quickly sinking the team's playoff hopes, maybe for many years. Hue Jackson needs to start winning and fast, or else lose all credibility. Both from the fans, and from the players in the locker room.
After all, Tom Cable was the one who led Oakland to 8-8.
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Dude
Jason Campbell was a QB who really cared, really gave it his all, and could light a fire under the team.
Come on… dude barely had an enthusiasm.
You and me are watching two different JC’s
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JC was a winner...plain and simple
You know what would make a good story? Something about a clown who makes people happy, but inside he's real sad. Also, he has severe diarrhea.
Just because he wasn't screaming at people on the sidelines
doesn’t make him not a leader.
by Terps12 on Nov 7, 2011 1:59 PM PST up reply actions 4 recs
JC was not the leader
No matter what you say I will never believe thta let me tell you why. When JC was having a great day against the Bills the defense quit on him and Hue so it’s a reoccurring problem. When JC threw those INT’s against NE did the team come to his rescue? No they didnt. The defense just gave up. The defense is the problem and Palmer throwing 35 times is a problem. JC wasnt the reason the Raiders were winning. It was Hues playcalling and DMac. Now Hue has gotten off track and DMac is injured. Hue needs to get back to the run and manage the clock better. Rushing takes time off the clock and therefore less time for the opposing team to comeback.
you made some good points
"THE TIME TO WIN IS NOW" - Coach Hue Jackson
Raider Nation, all hand's on deck or get the hell off the ship! That's the way it's gonna be around here from now on! If a 7th & 5th round pick gets you Aaron Curry (a former 4th overall 1st rd. pick) instead of a couple of crap-shoots a year later, then fine and if dealing away a couple of first rounder's gets you a proven franchise quarterback like Carson Palmer and a legitimate shot at the playoffs, then great, you know why? Because your team is standing behind it's motto & legacy, "Just Win Baby!" and "Commitment to Excellence" instead of "Suck for Luck" and "Give Up". Imagine if you were a fan of a team that actually bought into that!?!
Cheers,
- Saint
by The MoonMan 804 on Nov 8, 2011 7:02 PM PST up reply actions
the ratio before we went down a touchdown was 28 pass/25 run
we didn’t go full pass mode until then, when it was twelve straight. Maybe that’s on Hue in thinking we needed to control the clock the way the defense was playing. In theory, it would’ve worked had we been able to score with them, and maybe it would energize the defense. We were getting whooped in time of possession all game too that looks a little skewed with our desperation drives at the end that ended in ints. They still finished two minutes plus, but most of the game we were like four to five minutes plus, with the defense always chasing Tebow or McGahee.
"tough times call for perseverance and a tough mind. I have been told that I can't play football before. We all know what happened with that. #neverquit"--Mark Herzlich
""The massive Raider Nation is beyond doubt the sleaziest and rudest and most sinister mob of thugs and wackos ever assembled."--Hunter S. Thompson
or we were minus, that is...
I remember looking at halftime, and despite our being up, the Broncs were leading us in top by four plus minutes.
"tough times call for perseverance and a tough mind. I have been told that I can't play football before. We all know what happened with that. #neverquit"--Mark Herzlich
""The massive Raider Nation is beyond doubt the sleaziest and rudest and most sinister mob of thugs and wackos ever assembled."--Hunter S. Thompson
Brilliant article
Sums up my thoughts perfectly.
"We have an attack mindset from the get-go. We're going to try to pressure you in as many ways as we can, from the tempo we play at to the formations we run." - Chip Kelly
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ONE NATION UNDER AL
Respect the reputation or it's an altercation.
by Ozraider on Nov 7, 2011 1:49 PM PST via mobile reply actions
thanks Oz
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Very well written and expresses my feeling to a tee.
These are dark days my brethren.
You know what would make a good story? Something about a clown who makes people happy, but inside he's real sad. Also, he has severe diarrhea.
I just hope...
that you are wrong. I defended Hue after KC loss. I am inclined to do it now again. But, I feel that, unlike with Campbell, I might be proven wrong.
Confidence for Thursday is at 10%.
At the same time: RAIDER NATION BABY! The fans don’t lose because no matter what we are the NATION. Our team might lose, but boy chillin with the Nation and enjoying the fans, knowing we are the best fans in sports – we are on top!
When the play of the team influences your feelings about being a fan, which did not happen in this article, you need a reminder that the fan base is bigger than the team!
Did WE stink up the joint? Not in the least! We rocked it! No denver fan was welcomed – jeers and boos were what they received! The defense was supported by the noise we produced! Every Donkey in the end zone got a $20 bath! The NATION played well!
Let’s not stop being the best fans in football. WE are RAIDER NATION. They are employees who need to earn the title!
by Campbell510 on Nov 7, 2011 2:03 PM PST via mobile reply actions
Still a Raiders fan win, lose, or tie. But it’s like we’re being toyed with the fantasies of 00-02, when the reality is 07-09.
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Never thought you weren't....
just wanted to point out that part of being a fan is the fan base…not just the players and coaches.
I wasn’t born into the Nation. In the 80s when I was a kid and the 9ers were king, I chose to be a Raider fan. They were in LA and I was in Oakland. My pops was burned that they left, but I still chose the Raiders.
Why?
The air and ground philosophy and the fan base. The philosophy has had it’s ups and downs, but the fans haven’t let me down.
The other thing that seems clear to me that is a major indictment on the coach
Is that we are consistanly being outcoached after half time. Coaches who make good half time adjustments win but we are consistanly getting out played an out manuevered in the second half of games eg. buffalo, Cleveland, Denver (twice) KC etc etc. That is a HUGE reflection if the coaching staff.
"We have an attack mindset from the get-go. We're going to try to pressure you in as many ways as we can, from the tempo we play at to the formations we run." - Chip Kelly
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Respect the reputation or it's an altercation.
by Ozraider on Nov 7, 2011 2:05 PM PST via mobile reply actions
Agreed. And when the defense quits and nothing is done about it, that’s a huge coaching problem. Sometimes it’s not all X’s and O’s. Campbell and Cable were grade-A butt burners when it came to guys not hustling or looking like they were quitting. Hue’s proving to me he’s not even X’s and O’s smart.
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So True KA1Z3R, Oz, So True !!!
Halftime adjustments, crucial !!! But when you have a DC, who can’t recognize the fucking option, of all schemes, we’re in trouble !!! Bresnahan is a BresnaJOKE !!! He’s as confused on the sideline, as he looks !!!! It’s the HEAD COACH’S JOB, to run the team, the whole DAMN team !!! If your Stupid Azz DC can’t recognize the OPTION, being run, Hue, as an Offensive minded guru (as so claimed) has a responsibility to INFORM his DC, of what’s happening, and if he can’t figure it out (obviously), you happen to have an HOF’er, Defensive Back Coach who, IMO might know a little bit more about defense!!!! We do have options !!!!
While I'm inclined to believe a good amount of what you say, as it holds pretty true
your lack of anything much supportive of him of late or during the winning period lends to the idea that maybe you liked Cable and didn’t care for the move to make Hue the head coach, despite the fact it was Al’s decision, and one of his ultimate and most important ones, and it takes away from the power of this piece as it seems you have awaited his failure to vindicate your beliefs.
and as for this:
Campbell and Cable were grade-A butt burners when it came to guys not hustling or looking like they were quitting.
I don’t even know how to respond. I remember folding like lawn chairs in the fourth quarter of a lot of games we entered with leads.
We’re clearing lacking leadership to emerge and proactively establish an identity, and any defensive one we tried to start to establish with a strong defensive line that gets after the qb has all but disappeared. The penalties and the pace we’re on to shatter records doing it, and more importantly losing more games because, are indicative of a team lacking discipline while Hue tells us he’s addressing it and time is being spent to fix it while we continue to see no results.
In 2002, we went 4-0 to start the season, and lost four straight then, and rookie head coach Bill Callahan said similar things about the team then that Hue is saying now, and Bill faced similar criticisms himself then too. That team went on to win five straight, and six of seven to finish 11-5.
I’m not saying we’ll be that team at all, but then, at this point after a couple bad games and under the circumstances, I’m still not willing to say we won’t be.
For the record, I’ve downgraded my confidence in this team from a better than .500 finish and improving, to maybe being lucky to finish .500 and on very thin ice in danger of falling through to another tailspin.
Tonight Boomer made an interesting comment listening on the radio on my way home (I’ll assume it was the television broadcast team) about how many road teams get fired up with the world against them, and I’ve no doubt the "Tebow sucks, Tebow sucks " chants from the stadium helped fuel him to his 130 plus rushing yards and playing like he’s Mike Vick on his better days. Lots of road teams won this week.
I’ll refrain from much of the scathing verbal bludgeoning I could give Hue right now in lieu of the fact there remain eight games to play this year and one coming up Thursday. It’s up to you to right this ship now and take control of not only ours but your own destiny right now. Last chance, so to speak.
I’m reserving judgment on the personnel calls for this week; while I believe we should’ve done what needed to be done to win this game instead of any alternative that might’ve meant getting Carson reps for down the road, and that his replies to questions about DHB and Boss were true about their getting reps in practice in particular sets. He’s the coach, and still has that right.
We should certainly back off jocking how great we are, and expect wins above all, but it’s not at all yet time to call for this coaches head. I think he mostly just emphasized questions I have about his abilities to lead, discipline, and that intangible thing that guys like McCarthy created in Green Bay lately, and we may find he’ll never have them, but we just don’t know yet, and blasting him like he’s not is just not fair, or even constructive at this juncture, imo.
"tough times call for perseverance and a tough mind. I have been told that I can't play football before. We all know what happened with that. #neverquit"--Mark Herzlich
""The massive Raider Nation is beyond doubt the sleaziest and rudest and most sinister mob of thugs and wackos ever assembled."--Hunter S. Thompson
by brhynno on Nov 7, 2011 9:41 PM PST up reply actions 3 recs
Yeah if they're college players
Let’s not forget. These guys get paid 6 and 7 figures to execute, and they’re not doing it. They need a fat paycheck AND rah rah speeches? Dumb penalties, missed assignments, blown coverages…that’s the story of the second half.
Well said. That and the stupid penalties that we are committing which the coaches are partially responsible for. Our players have to be smarter too. It always seems like Hue’s play calling is too predictable in the 2nd half. I want to see more misdirection plays, play action, etc. It’s like the other team’s DC knows whether we’re going to run or pass. I can even tell whether they are running or passing the ball.
Hue
I agree that 4-4 is all on Hue. It’s now his personel choices, play calls, his trades, his trick plays, his penalty problems, his team to lead. I just hope he is up to the challenge.
I live, breath and breed Silver and Black!
also, think of how close this team was to 3-5 because of him. That going for it on fourth late in the Cleveland game when a FG would ice the game almost did it. He’s lucky his defense bailed him out.
The Sunkist Kaiser, most epic thing since the Grizzly BLAAAAAAAIR! Relax, play, and drink Sunkist! Your Kaiser commands it.
I agree with most of your points
But yesterday everyone was all over Hue for NOT going for it on 4th down. What people are mad at is that in both cases the decision didn’t work out. That’s going to happen. We can’t judge him solely on the basis of what happened. If we had gotten the first down two weeks ago, would everyone have still called it a bad decision? We’re using hindsight because it didn’t work out.
@WorldBLee
absolutely wrong
There was no upside to going for it against cleveland. You had an extra point to ice the game. There is no point to assuming extra risk for no extra reward. If you have a chance to GUARANTEE victory you do it.
by lchristmas on Nov 7, 2011 4:15 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
good article i agree
esp when it comestoo DHB and housh. i still think palmer can show to be a good pick up.lets give hue the chargers game and maybe we can regain that playoff hope. i mean for what its worth most the espn analysts still have us winnin the division…
I love Jason Campbell
but let’s be real here everyone. We’re talking about a guy who has never even thrown for 4,000 yards and only hit 20 TD’s once in his career. JC has had his opportunities to turn the corner and we all had to suffer through many of those failed opportunities (Anyone recall him being booed at the O’ last year?) So let’s not act as if this is like losing a major franchise piece. Carson palmer is 110% capable of doing what JC did and that got us to 4-2, so let’s not dwell too much on Campbell going down. As far as Hue goes, I put a large percentage of the blame on him. The coaching strategy and gameplan seems as though it’s completely changed to fit the mold of Carson and TJ. Michael Bush is a stud back and should’ve gotten at least 25 carries and Taiwan Jones didn’t get the ball enough either. The favoritism with housh over DHB has got to end NOW while we have a chance and the defense needs to start forcing turnovers and STOPPING THE RUN again like we had been doing. Hue is pissing off the locker room and that’s becoming more clear. On the bright side of all this, Aaron Curry looks like a great addition so far, and Carson showed major improvement yesterday. The guy is only going to become more comfortable. Through all of these problems, the offense wasn’t even the reason we lost that game and most people will agree with me and most of all, we are still in the playoff hunt. I personally can’t wait for Thursday and I still have hope for this team, and everyone else should too. This team can turn it around.
by bobbycresta on Nov 7, 2011 2:22 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
Thursday
The game against SD on Thursday will be the turning point one way or another. The players will be so tired all they can do is react. Let’s see how they do.
by Mallard Davis on Nov 7, 2011 2:26 PM PST up reply actions
Thank you for being rational BC
Cuz I was about to jump off a bridge after reading this article.
Yes, Hue needs to do a better job of half-time adjustments.
Yes, Hue has displayed a penchant for leaning towards his ‘Natti connections (what new coach doesn’t call on old connections to begin building his foundation?)
Yes, Hue needs to get DHB on the field as a starter and reward him for his consistency.
And yes, the GD penalties need to be addressed.
However, you’re talking about a team that had to insert a quasi-retired QB into the starting lineup, has had to cover up the lack of a consistent secondary, and is still trying to find answers at key positions on the defense and you want to throw Hue under the bus 2 weeks in? I think there’s some legitimate truths to some of your concerns, but this post should have been saved for after this coming Thursday (should they prove to be consistent at not addressing these issues and fold to the Bolts.) You can’t expect a team to have such tremendous road blocks in terms of injuries to come back out of the gate running full speed after 2 weeks of practice. Hue is feeling out what can be done with the roster as currently assembled, and its going to take some time for EVERYONE to gain trust once again, find rhythm once again and start winning once again. I think its prudent to hold off on the whining until we have a larger sample size of the Palmer / Hue Jackson connection and give him a chance to ream Bresnehan a new one before we roll Hue under the bus….
...Watching DeMarcus Cousins’ transformation from large human to immortal kill beast...
on the bright side, it seems as if we need the world to believe we'll lose in order to play our best
track record against teams we should beat remains in the dumps. Let’s hope we can keep that Charger fire alive. Maybe since we respect Rivers and co. as a team that owned us for so long is one of the few positives right now. I wish we could put that stigma to rest once and for all.
"tough times call for perseverance and a tough mind. I have been told that I can't play football before. We all know what happened with that. #neverquit"--Mark Herzlich
""The massive Raider Nation is beyond doubt the sleaziest and rudest and most sinister mob of thugs and wackos ever assembled."--Hunter S. Thompson
by brhynno on Nov 8, 2011 3:33 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I love everything thats going on...but the penalties...
I’m puling my hair out over these…I’ll be as bald as Hue.
As for the Chargers game….wow…What a game its going to be…MAYBE be 5-4…hopefully be in first place if Denver beats KC.
Random Thoughts:
Kevin Boss absentee puzzles me too. DHB endzone play he should of had that..but kudos to him for breaking that up…Denarius Moore not breaking up the play on Palmer’s first INT…really pissed at that…The product of the other 2 INT is trying to catch up to broncos after they scored their punt return. I hope Mcclain is healthy for the Chargers game…cause Chargers will try to run up the middle just like Broncos did.
Im a little about Satele being hurt…I can’t trust wiz at center in a big game.
Satele
Don’t know if we want Satele playing on a bum leg.
by Mallard Davis on Nov 7, 2011 2:39 PM PST up reply actions
Bottom line is that Hue is a Rookie Head Coach who is struggling, and he lost someone who he heavily relied on in Al Davis.
He will make mistakes, eventually he’ll drop the Big Bad GM act, and he’ll get back to coaching. He can recover and get this ship righted, but it is up to him, no Al Davis to guide him.
You could see in his post-game after Al died when he said “you don’t know how much losing that man hurt me”, how much it really did. When you finally get your shot and the guiding light is gone, you will struggle.
Continuing to bitch and bitch about the what-ifs does nothing, if you are gonna jump the Raider ship then jump the fuck off, that’s not what Raider fans do. We need more realistic visions, not the young crass dudes claiming Super Bowl, nor the older vet fans claiming it’s all over, we need to see it for what it is — A solid foundation that needs work and will make mistakes, but is heading in the right direction.
btw – KA1Z3R, I’m not refering to you about the bitching and moaning, just a general statement. This article was fine by me.
Vet Fan Here
I’m not saying it’s over quite yet. In 2002 the Raiders were 4 – 4 playing the Broncos with the Raiders having lost 4 in a row. The game looked bad with the Broncos driving towards a score. Rod Woodson pick it off and ran it back for a TD, the Raiders won, won the West, and went to the Superbowl. That is why I say the SD game is the season changer one way or another. Right the ship, or take on water…
by Mallard Davis on Nov 7, 2011 2:50 PM PST up reply actions
Well said Ant.
You can’t let yourself get too high or too low right now. Important to keep the expectations up, but realize there’s a lot of new wrinkles to our team that Hue just didn’t have to worry about before. It’s going to take some time for the offense to get its rhythm back (wouldn’t hurt to have McFadden on the field, either.) The defense is starting to be hard to make excuses for, though, mostly when you look at the damn penalties. Enough with the “bully” mentality, just go out there and dominate your assignment, maybe act like you’ve tackled somebody before, and get back to the line for the next play or the hell off the field. Dominate through attacking your assignment and make plays when the opportunity presents itself. Get back to the basics…
...Watching DeMarcus Cousins’ transformation from large human to immortal kill beast...
It's not over til it's over but,
you have to admit we looked pretty shitty against a team everyone (including most Denver fans) thought we would beat… something’s wrong and they better get it fixed fast, time is running out.
"Now I know what your thinking, did he fire six shots or only five. Ive forgotten myself in all this excitement, but being that this is the 44 magnum, the most powerful handgun in the world and could blow your head clean off, you have to ask your question. Do I feel lucky? Well do ya punk!"
Dirty Harry Callahan
+100,000,000 @Big Ant
"THE TIME TO WIN IS NOW" - Coach Hue Jackson
Raider Nation, all hand's on deck or get the hell off the ship! That's the way it's gonna be around here from now on! If a 7th & 5th round pick gets you Aaron Curry (a former 4th overall 1st rd. pick) instead of a couple of crap-shoots a year later, then fine and if dealing away a couple of first rounder's gets you a proven franchise quarterback like Carson Palmer and a legitimate shot at the playoffs, then great, you know why? Because your team is standing behind it's motto & legacy, "Just Win Baby!" and "Commitment to Excellence" instead of "Suck for Luck" and "Give Up". Imagine if you were a fan of a team that actually bought into that!?!
Cheers,
- Saint
by The MoonMan 804 on Nov 7, 2011 3:47 PM PST up reply actions
completly agree
miracles don’t happen over night. DMC didn’t happen over night but people seem to think Hue J will happen overnight
If we lose to SD on thurs I no longer care about a "playoff" run
I do not know whats going on in this team but from the players composure I don’t think they are buying into “In Hue we trust” anymore. They were, whole-heartedly, and then when disaster struck with the passing of Al and JC injury, Hue showed that he really is a rookie and is cracking under all the pressure. The word is “tunnel vision,” HUe is displaying this jby reverting to the only thing he really knows, which is the bengals of old, and since Mark and Amy trask are “rookies” as well, Jackson has been mistakedly given the reigns. The blind leading the blind, and unless we win convincingly on thurs we can all expect more of the same from here on out. I fought it at first when someone said the CP trade was an “all in” move by Jackson with credibility on the line, but here we are and well, mighta been right about that one.
4-4 and the Sky has already fallen
Gimme a break people. A whole lot of knee jerk reactions all over this board. I usually just lurk but all the doomsday panic is becoming annoying. Last I checked there’s 17 weeks in a season. Calling for Hue’s head isn’t going to solve anything. It’s a terrible idea to ax a rookie coach at the midpoint. A year when the undisputed Leader of the organization passes. A year when the starting qb and rb suffer crucial injuries mid-season. All that, and it’s “Hue’s doing a terrible job..”. Wow. Must I remind people what it’s looked like for the past 7-8 years. Are we gonna ask Art Shell to come back to help next year? Joe Bugel? “WE WANT GRUDEN!” Sorry, but he’s making $$$$$$ at ESPN and has no desire to come back and coach. Hue Jackson is working with what he has. Cut the guy some slack. If this team shits itself on Thursday night again, and it looks like the team has truly quit on him then maybe it’s time to evaluate other options. The defense sucks, and it has sucked for some time because it was built on outdated defensive philosophies. Chuck B got worked with Gruden and I knew he was gonna suck again when Al hired him. If Jackson did in fact call out players in a team meeting, good! A good portion of this teams salary cap is vested in Defensive players and I haven’t seen a whole lot of return on that investment. And let’s also be real about another thing, Jason Campbell seems like a swell guy and all but don’t tell me he wasn’t starting to piss you guys off under center. His sudden INTs, his scrambling, lack of passes in his arsenal etc. He was not a qb you trusted to be guiding your team to a possible comeback victory if you needed one. Nothing from what I saw from him told me he was a “fiery leader”, it was actually opposite. He was a average game managing qb. Nice guy and great teammate I’m sure. But he didn’t inspire much imo. You would have never seen Campbell make some of the throws we saw Carson make yesterday. We’re 4-4 at the mid point. Sack up Nation and let things play out little more before we start lighting torches and calling for heads.
by TheColdStareofDaveStewart on Nov 7, 2011 2:44 PM PST reply actions 7 recs
THANK YOU!! EVERYONE IS PANICKING LIKE IT'S 2012 LMAO!!
+100,000,000 LOGICAL RAIDER FANS AGREE
"THE TIME TO WIN IS NOW" - Coach Hue Jackson
Raider Nation, all hand's on deck or get the hell off the ship! That's the way it's gonna be around here from now on! If a 7th & 5th round pick gets you Aaron Curry (a former 4th overall 1st rd. pick) instead of a couple of crap-shoots a year later, then fine and if dealing away a couple of first rounder's gets you a proven franchise quarterback like Carson Palmer and a legitimate shot at the playoffs, then great, you know why? Because your team is standing behind it's motto & legacy, "Just Win Baby!" and "Commitment to Excellence" instead of "Suck for Luck" and "Give Up". Imagine if you were a fan of a team that actually bought into that!?!
Cheers,
- Saint
by The MoonMan 804 on Nov 7, 2011 3:50 PM PST up reply actions
"Just Win Baby..." - Coach Al Davis
1929 - FOREVER
by Al Davis *Commitment to Excellence* on Nov 7, 2011 8:55 PM PST up reply actions 4 recs
“Just Win Baby…” – Coach Al Davis
1929 – FOREVER
seeing that made my day even more after tonights win. The spirit lives on and Hes gotta be loving this win tonight.
by SilvrnBlck forever on Nov 10, 2011 10:46 PM PST up reply actions
+1
"THE TIME TO WIN IS NOW" - Coach Hue Jackson
Raider Nation, all hand's on deck or get the hell off the ship! That's the way it's gonna be around here from now on! If a 7th & 5th round pick gets you Aaron Curry (a former 4th overall 1st rd. pick) instead of a couple of crap-shoots a year later, then fine and if dealing away a couple of first rounder's gets you a proven franchise quarterback like Carson Palmer and a legitimate shot at the playoffs, then great, you know why? Because our team is standing behind it's motto & legacy, "Just Win Baby!" and "Commitment to Excellence" instead of "Suck for Luck" and "Give Up". Imagine if you were a fan of a team that actually bought into that!?!
Cheers,
- Saint
by The MoonMan 804 on Nov 10, 2011 10:59 PM PST up reply actions
I appreciate you sharing a bit of common sense, amongst the angry mob & fear mongerers who have taken over Silver and Black Pride since yesterday's lost to the Broncos.
Cudos! @TheColdStareofDaveStewart
"Just Win Baby..." - Coach Al Davis
1929 - FOREVER
by Al Davis *Commitment to Excellence* on Nov 7, 2011 4:13 PM PST up reply actions
No doubt
Just gotta have a little more faith Nation. We know what kind of talent we do have on this team. We know what we don’t have. Just gotta do what good teams do and make due with what you got. Hue Jackson, even with some of his recent missteps, is the closest thing to the real deal in a coach we’ve had in years. He’s a rookie head coach! Let the man do his job. All the doom, gloom and negativity isn’t helping anything and makes the Nation look bad.
by TheColdStareofDaveStewart on Nov 7, 2011 4:29 PM PST up reply actions
Could'nt have said it better myself!
"Just Win Baby..." - Coach Al Davis
1929 - FOREVER
by Al Davis *Commitment to Excellence* on Nov 7, 2011 4:30 PM PST up reply actions
I'm all for having hope, and in this division, sure, absolutely up for grabs BUT
what has happened to Hue’s Balls?
-not throwing to Boss
-DHB not targeted
-“Airing it out” instead of utilizing the #3 best rushing offense?
I’m sorry I know theres still alot of games left BUT to come out with back to back deflated performances like this takes the cake. Seriously if the team thats played the last two games is the team that plays the rest of the season, well shit, then 6-10 7-9, if we play like we have and can and should , different outcome. but IMO we haven’t played “to our potential” in 4 weeks. CLE, won a game with Special teams?? HOU (while thrilling) almost give it up in the final seconds?? and we’ve lost two in a row since then, scoreless against KC I might add. Again I’m stressing here JCampbell was not this entire team. Something has happened and its got to be coaching/staffing/personel/scheme NOT PLAYERS
Well something did happen 4 weeks ago
AL passed away. That was a HUGE event for this organization. Those two games after his death this team was just coasting on emotion. Looking at these two recent loses that hole in leadership is now being felt and it’s up to Hue to fill it. Will he succeed or will he fold? We’ll just have to see.
by TheColdStareofDaveStewart on Nov 7, 2011 5:16 PM PST up reply actions
Give Hue time to learn from his mistakes....We are still in playoff contention.. He has a lot on his plate right now, do to no fault of his own
"Just Win Baby..." - Coach Al Davis
1929 - FOREVER
by Al Davis *Commitment to Excellence* on Nov 7, 2011 5:21 PM PST up reply actions
welcome aboard, and thanks for joining
crossing over from “lurking”. Totally agree, but I have some big questions about the immediate future based on fears I’ve had that were strengthened in this game, above all, the lack of discipline.
Carson will see some picks just ten days off the couch in this league and with his style of play and that doesn’t bother me whatsoever, nor does any of the personnel decisions that folks will use to blame this loss upon which I won’t do. You can easily pick almost any five of the penalties we committed in this game and reverse them and without the field position and failure to move the chains/make the defensive stop on our part and we finish drives and scores and never allow them to outpossess us or even run the ball at all and win that game, and that, worries me more than anything. We’re on pace to shatter records in penalty categories, but biggest should be losses that should’ve been wins relinquished from mental mistakes.
"tough times call for perseverance and a tough mind. I have been told that I can't play football before. We all know what happened with that. #neverquit"--Mark Herzlich
""The massive Raider Nation is beyond doubt the sleaziest and rudest and most sinister mob of thugs and wackos ever assembled."--Hunter S. Thompson
Yeah the lack of discipline
is still a big problem. I recall hearing Hue saying yesterday he wished he could fine players for their penalties. I think think that would curb a big chunk of them! Hurt em in their wallets. But the rules of the new agreement wouldn’t let something like that happen. I really don’t know what to make of it. Hue has officials at all the practices and we still have flags.
by TheColdStareofDaveStewart on Nov 7, 2011 10:31 PM PST up reply actions
I would love to get rah rah here
but I actually watched this team lose to the worst team west of the Mississippi. The “bully” we keep expecting to show up was outplayed in all three phases of the game by a vastly inferior team. Worse yet, we’ve all seen this movie before. Jeff George, Kerry Collins, hell Jay Schroeder come in to be the next LaMonica and guess what? Loss, after loss, after loss after loss.
What is really going to suck is when you all realize that no help is coming any time soon, via the draft or through FA. This team better shape up and right quick or BSPN will be right when they claim again that we are the worst team of the past 20 years.
I'm not asking for Pom Poms here
just asking for calm level headed thinking. Just take a step back. Folks need to understand where this team is at, where it’s been, and where we need to go. It just seems too often fan bases can only live in the extremes. Seems like it’s either “WE’RE GOING TO THE BOWL!!” or “WE’RE ALL GONNA DIE!” around here sometimes.
I watched the game too and I saw our offense put up 24 points, and our defense (and Special Teams) give up 31 in the 2nd half. I lay the blame mainly on the D for this one. Period. We’re not gonna go where we wanna go until that and the penalty situation gets fixed. And it can only get better before it gets worse. Also, no matter how hard the rest of the country/BSPN tries to spin that Denver is a total joke, they are not the worst team in the NFL (see Colts, St. Louis, Arizona, Seattle). Regardless, this is the AFC West bro. When it’s a rivalry division game all those assumptions/labels get thrown out of the window for our games.
by TheColdStareofDaveStewart on Nov 8, 2011 10:12 AM PST up reply actions
+1
"THE TIME TO WIN IS NOW" - Coach Hue Jackson
Raider Nation, all hand's on deck or get the hell off the ship! That's the way it's gonna be around here from now on! If a 7th & 5th round pick gets you Aaron Curry (a former 4th overall 1st rd. pick) instead of a couple of crap-shoots a year later, then fine and if dealing away a couple of first rounder's gets you a proven franchise quarterback like Carson Palmer and a legitimate shot at the playoffs, then great, you know why? Because your team is standing behind it's motto & legacy, "Just Win Baby!" and "Commitment to Excellence" instead of "Suck for Luck" and "Give Up". Imagine if you were a fan of a team that actually bought into that!?!
Cheers,
- Saint
by The MoonMan 804 on Nov 8, 2011 11:14 AM PST up reply actions
Good well measured post...
… as a naturally cynical Brit, I get a bit depressed by all the Kool Aid inspired unrealistically optimistic posts.
JC was a great QB for this team and we have big gaps on our team – the secondary, linebacker corps and a lack of depth on the o-line. Despite all this I thought we were only one draft away from becoming a competitor, instead we have bet the farm on Carson Palmer.
Completely agree with you Animal_mutha
I still haven’t bought into Carson palmer deal i support him nd root for him but i think in the end it will be a big mistake. Deep playoffs or bust and we may not even make it. HueJax has lost some cred from me with all the head scratching decisions both on and off the field.
by angelraiders on Nov 7, 2011 3:16 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
If Hue keeps it up, then we should let him knw our displeasure and not show up at the games
A lot of what he is doing is inexcusable. A Bengals fan came on the blog a few weeks ago and said that we are the Oakland Bengals and I said just because we brought in a couple of their players does not mean we are the same. But now it is looking as if Hue might be going down that path. I’m hoping that TJ played over DHB only to help Carson gain a rhythm and that DHB will go back to an every down guy. No question though, Hue is starting to scare me. His cockiness to go along with his peculiar playcalling and personell packages is worrying.
The Autumn wind is a Raider
Pillaging just for fun
He'll knock you 'round and upside down
And laugh when he's conquered and won.
Not attending games to show your displeasure is a stupid idea.
1) It can’t be effective unless every Raiders fan, attendee, etc., visits a site that talks about this concept.
2) It hurts the fanbase and the ability to bring in FAs. Who wants to come to a team that has fans who abandon them when it gets rough? That’s the fucking Chargers, NOT THE RAIDERS! Raiders are fucking Raiders til we die!
3) Blacked Out Games. Then when we win, I can see all the same people bitching about it not being aired. You think you have that much power to get everyone to start attending again?
You're right
It’s just frustrating to see our coach make decisions that hurt us. It’s definitely not all his fault though. He’s a rookie and he’ll get better.
The Autumn wind is a Raider
Pillaging just for fun
He'll knock you 'round and upside down
And laugh when he's conquered and won.
You're right, people will stop going to the games.
I’m almost certain that the next home game (vs. the Bears) won’t be sold out, unless this team manages to pull out a win vs. the Chargers and then win (and not a game that comes down to the wire) at the Vikings. The Chargers are a mess, but the Raiders sure don’t seem like they’re capable of beating any team but themselves.
Hue has to quit playing games with the media and getting his old Bengals band back together and put all of his effort into coaching the team that he has.
It sucks but people will just think “Oh it’s the same old Raiders” and not go to games if we can’t get this team back on track. We’re only halfway through the season, there’s still time to right the ship, plus looking at the division, it’s really up for the taking. The season isn’t over.
Torty Craig, we hardly knew ye
The chargers are a mess???
man I hope we fare as well against the vaunted Green Bay Packers….
Look at you: member of the honor roll, assistant to the assistant manager of the movie theater. I'm tellin' ya, Rat, if this girl can't smell your qualifications, then who needs her, right? Mike Damone (Fast Times at Ridgemont High)
Did you see them last week?
Shot themselves in the foot several times and ended up losing to the Chiefs. And Rivers can’t stop throwing picks. Their defense is pretty bad too.
Torty Craig, we hardly knew ye
The Bears are a decent draw
plus they only visit every eight years. There are some Cutler/former Bronco fans around and they will have a decent record by that point in the season. The Lions will also be a decent draw and the SD game should sell out.
Boycotting/Prostesting games
Isn’t the best idea for the Raiders. We have a reputation of being a Die-Hard fan base but we sour when it gets bumpy? Again? Insert your “Blackout” joke of choice. As for what Bengals fans said..they’re Bengals fans bro. Why are we even allowing them to enter any type of intelligent football thought.
by TheColdStareofDaveStewart on Nov 7, 2011 3:09 PM PST up reply actions
is that the Dave stewart that likes tv's????
Look at you: member of the honor roll, assistant to the assistant manager of the movie theater. I'm tellin' ya, Rat, if this girl can't smell your qualifications, then who needs her, right? Mike Damone (Fast Times at Ridgemont High)
depends
what’s your mom/dad look like?
by TheColdStareofDaveStewart on Nov 7, 2011 3:13 PM PST up reply actions
so you do defend a guy that likes to have sex with other guys ...just checking
Look at you: member of the honor roll, assistant to the assistant manager of the movie theater. I'm tellin' ya, Rat, if this girl can't smell your qualifications, then who needs her, right? Mike Damone (Fast Times at Ridgemont High)
it's Free country.
doesn’t change the fact that he pitched like a G on the mound.
by TheColdStareofDaveStewart on Nov 7, 2011 3:17 PM PST up reply actions
hey I do not want to get in a beef with you about it...
Look at you: member of the honor roll, assistant to the assistant manager of the movie theater. I'm tellin' ya, Rat, if this girl can't smell your qualifications, then who needs her, right? Mike Damone (Fast Times at Ridgemont High)
And I did what to you ???
Look at you: member of the honor roll, assistant to the assistant manager of the movie theater. I'm tellin' ya, Rat, if this girl can't smell your qualifications, then who needs her, right? Mike Damone (Fast Times at Ridgemont High)
Its not gay...
if your balls don’t touch.
Source: Charger fans
by AuthenticA'sfan on Nov 7, 2011 3:30 PM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
I always heard it wasn't gay ...
As long as you beat him up afterwards …
Never found that particularly funny, but some people have, so … I’m just sharing ;)
by Brett J Valjalo on Nov 8, 2011 12:13 AM PST up reply actions
lol wtf?
maybe you can tell the real Dave Stewart that some day buddy.
by TheColdStareofDaveStewart on Nov 7, 2011 3:25 PM PST up reply actions
I am sorry did I say something unfactual???
Look at you: member of the honor roll, assistant to the assistant manager of the movie theater. I'm tellin' ya, Rat, if this girl can't smell your qualifications, then who needs her, right? Mike Damone (Fast Times at Ridgemont High)
is that an "unword"???
Look at you: member of the honor roll, assistant to the assistant manager of the movie theater. I'm tellin' ya, Rat, if this girl can't smell your qualifications, then who needs her, right? Mike Damone (Fast Times at Ridgemont High)
It is. Actually, the irony in it all is that there is an entry in the urban dictionary that states it is used by teabaggers. Quite hilarious from this side.
are you using "teabaggers" as a derogatory or as a noun?
Look at you: member of the honor roll, assistant to the assistant manager of the movie theater. I'm tellin' ya, Rat, if this girl can't smell your qualifications, then who needs her, right? Mike Damone (Fast Times at Ridgemont High)
asking legitimatley btw
Look at you: member of the honor roll, assistant to the assistant manager of the movie theater. I'm tellin' ya, Rat, if this girl can't smell your qualifications, then who needs her, right? Mike Damone (Fast Times at Ridgemont High)
ok I get your other post now...
Look at you: member of the honor roll, assistant to the assistant manager of the movie theater. I'm tellin' ya, Rat, if this girl can't smell your qualifications, then who needs her, right? Mike Damone (Fast Times at Ridgemont High)
Look I can do this all day really...
I a[apologize for even starting anything about it but he was my hero before that happened and I know for a fact since his mom went to my ex’s boss (ortho surgeon) that he broke her heart as well. so the “ColdStare” thing pissed me off a little..plus the game yesterday and well crap sorry…
Look at you: member of the honor roll, assistant to the assistant manager of the movie theater. I'm tellin' ya, Rat, if this girl can't smell your qualifications, then who needs her, right? Mike Damone (Fast Times at Ridgemont High)
Lol
wow. didn’t know Dave such a wrecking ball off the mound. regardless. all good. my bad for the jab about your mom/dad. haha. just reppin my childhood hero thats all
by TheColdStareofDaveStewart on Nov 7, 2011 3:50 PM PST up reply actions
So why you talking shit?
with your smart-ass little “so you do defend a guy that likes to have sex with other guys …just checking” comment, if you don’t want ‘a beef’ over it?
As long as it’s not friggin children or animals, who gives a shit … why even bring it up?
by Brett J Valjalo on Nov 8, 2011 12:10 AM PST up reply actions
I take that idea back. I don't to let the team down. I'm just saying it as a way to let Hue, who tells us to keep coming to games, know that we are not pleased with his decisions. He needs to do a much better job.
The Autumn wind is a Raider
Pillaging just for fun
He'll knock you 'round and upside down
And laugh when he's conquered and won.
I like Hue a lot, but he is doing too much outside of coaching the team. I know that it will be a good learning experience for him as a rookie coach.
The Autumn wind is a Raider
Pillaging just for fun
He'll knock you 'round and upside down
And laugh when he's conquered and won.
Two Bad Games
Two bad games in a row will keep the fans away.
by Mallard Davis on Nov 7, 2011 3:17 PM PST up reply actions
Hue stated it was packages that were used didn’t have him in it. Personally, I think he went panic mode and threw Housh in there for familiarity and security to try and win the game. If he was going to do that, I would have prefered someone else be sacrificed. Sure Jacoby pulled some off, but he’s not DHB (odd as that sounds). DHB helps the run game more than most realize.
Oh thanks,
But Jacoby looked like a flat out beast, I would have rather benched Denarius Moore in favor of DHB.
It seemed like Palmer was throwing at Moore a lot yesterday,
did anybody else think so?
Torty Craig, we hardly knew ye
Yes and 4 pics throwing at him...
fng Murphy? He gets a ton of reps… Seriously..
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I think Denarius
Will be good in time (2-3) years, but right now he’s a raw talent he’s got the skills and attributes along with the speed. Since the Bills game he hasn’t impressed me in any way DHB has, and done a pretty good job of being consistent. All around I would have rathered TJ sitting behind everywhere, but if he was the reason Carson started to heat up. Than I have no issues.
AS A RAIDER FAN..
Watching the pre season games, it bums me out the fact the our only qb option is Michael Bush when D-mac is not there, the whole game I asked for Taiwan Jones and I never got to see him, he looked great on preseason and it kills me to see him not being used along bush.. Bush can only pick up so many yards, Jones can break out probably just as good as D-Mac.. Because of that we were forced to throw the ball a lot.. No element of surprise at all, with the running game running it’s course we would be almost unbeatable, because Palmer is a big threat, say what you want our problem now is that we are not running the ball well.. And once we fix that, we will see the real effect that Palmer can make
by SinCityRaider on Nov 7, 2011 3:03 PM PST via mobile reply actions
Bush had 96 yards on 19 carries,
for 5 yards per carry. The running game was not the problem. The misuse of the running game was, though. Bush was running well, we should have been running more. Especially considering we have a QB that’s been with the team for what, like 3 weeks?
Torty Craig, we hardly knew ye
Man I swear
Bush was gonna break a big one if we kept a good flow going around him.running game was no issue, but with McFadden he gives the raiders that breakaway ability. Still Bush is good and deserves a payday.
Needed a better mix of TJ with him it was predictable down the stretch...
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hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
I am not sure I am ready to jump on Hue yet. Most of the things cited in this ost could be attributed to injuries, the score of the game at the time, or other intangibles that we may not6 be privy to. This I think I can say without too much debate…we should win games where we score 24 pts.!!!!!!! Not to mention the fact that these penalties are just plain sheer stupidity….“HEY McCLAIN, YOU WANT TO PUSH A GUY WHEN HE IS CLEARLY ALREADY OUT OF BOUNDS YOU DUMB ASS AND KEEP A DRIVE GOING FOR THEM??REALLY??” Our defense lost the Bills game, and this game no doubt, td’s on punt returns can’t have it no flippin way. The only other positive I saw from this game was donkeys hurting from a beating.
Look at you: member of the honor roll, assistant to the assistant manager of the movie theater. I'm tellin' ya, Rat, if this girl can't smell your qualifications, then who needs her, right? Mike Damone (Fast Times at Ridgemont High)
That was Curry who had the late hit penalty on 3rd and a mile
not McClain
Torty Craig, we hardly knew ye
Dagnabbit sorry i got confused result was the same tho
Look at you: member of the honor roll, assistant to the assistant manager of the movie theater. I'm tellin' ya, Rat, if this girl can't smell your qualifications, then who needs her, right? Mike Damone (Fast Times at Ridgemont High)
Yeah, Curry was pissing me off during the 2nd half
Doing a little dance after every freaking time he was even near a play in the first half, then the 2nd half not even showing up until that late hit he had.
Torty Craig, we hardly knew ye
Its the Coaching and it starts with Hue.
If you let your team run wild and commit the number of penalties that we racked up yesterday and think it solely on the player you are mistaken. How many head coaches are out there who have a team making that many mistakes? You are the Coach, make it happen just don’t talk about it.
If I take a step back and really look at the situtaion, I see a coach who wants to do whatever it takes to win, but is overlooking the little things. I don’t think many rookie coaches have ever had to take over as a GM (pretty much what he’s had to do) and handle both sides of the business. I trust that Hue will settle in and figure it out.
The Autumn wind is a Raider
Pillaging just for fun
He'll knock you 'round and upside down
And laugh when he's conquered and won.
I do have sympathy for the situation Hue was thrust in to
Unfortunately having that understanding does not solve the glaring problems that need to be addressed immediately before we slide in the abyss.
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by Ozraider on Nov 7, 2011 3:27 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
slide hell we are in a car with no brakes go full speed at it...
ok that might be a little extreme but you get what I mean…
Look at you: member of the honor roll, assistant to the assistant manager of the movie theater. I'm tellin' ya, Rat, if this girl can't smell your qualifications, then who needs her, right? Mike Damone (Fast Times at Ridgemont High)
hue needs to take care of his first job first!
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I agree
To bad we don’t have anyone in the FO to tell him to just focus on football. On the other hand, he should already know this.
The Autumn wind is a Raider
Pillaging just for fun
He'll knock you 'round and upside down
And laugh when he's conquered and won.
*Too
The Autumn wind is a Raider
Pillaging just for fun
He'll knock you 'round and upside down
And laugh when he's conquered and won.
I feel violated...
for having to experience watching the raiders(they do not deserve a capitol ‘r’) get beat by the Tebow-led broncos. I feel violated and traumatized. Is this the bully you have been trying to build hue. I guess it will take you until after the last game of the season to minimize penalties. You cannot get penalties when you are one of the many teams watching the postseason from home.
by AuthenticA'sfan on Nov 7, 2011 3:28 PM PST via iPhone app reply actions
It was a disgusting pathetic display my eyes want a refund!
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Defensively, we need Seymour to get vocal and show the fire (smart fire) that he has shown which has spread to the rest of our defense in the past.
The Autumn wind is a Raider
Pillaging just for fun
He'll knock you 'round and upside down
And laugh when he's conquered and won.
Seymour
A little disappointed with Seymour getting needless penalties. He needs to be the leader.
by Mallard Davis on Nov 7, 2011 3:40 PM PST up reply actions
Same with Kelly
He’s our longest tenured defender, but he loses his head way too often.
The Autumn wind is a Raider
Pillaging just for fun
He'll knock you 'round and upside down
And laugh when he's conquered and won.
I'd love to see Seymour go beast mode ala Ray Lewis and get on guys when they screw up. I think part of our undisciplined bonehead plays are because we don't have that vocal leader to put guys in check.
The Autumn wind is a Raider
Pillaging just for fun
He'll knock you 'round and upside down
And laugh when he's conquered and won.
I see somewhat of a divide in the fan base
It’s like there’s a two group of fans right now:
One side feel likes, “RIP AL DAVIS – but finally! we can now move this team into the modern era of football.”
The other side feels like, “RIP AL DAVIS – I’m really worried with what’s going on with this team..I wish AL was still here…”
by TheColdStareofDaveStewart on Nov 7, 2011 3:38 PM PST reply actions
My loyalty never waivers however I'm fng pissed!
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+1
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by Ozraider on Nov 7, 2011 3:45 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Thursday's game
will be huge. If these guys make a stand then it could be a boon to swing us back in the right direction. If we lose badly like the last 2 games, then I’ll be pissed/worried as well.
by TheColdStareofDaveStewart on Nov 7, 2011 3:45 PM PST up reply actions
I think they will.
Considering SD is in a funk. I see a shootout. If DMC is back we win; the Chargers don’t have a viable run game without Mathews.
Really? Damn.
Then again, the poor guy will probably leave in the 2nd quarter. Their RB’s have terrible luck. He and Brinkley went down in the same game last week, and Tolbert was already gone then.
think so too. But Matthews
is still a lil bitch. I submit his injury history as Exhibit A, his haircut choice as Exhibit B. Lol. I’ll take our backs over theirs all day.
by TheColdStareofDaveStewart on Nov 7, 2011 3:55 PM PST up reply actions
I've said it before
LT had a shaman put a curse on that RB spot. He’s not the only one going down with injuries.
Also
is there something in the NFL equipment rule book that allows SD backs to automatically have tinted visors? Light sensitivity my ass. It’s a nice advantage to have cuz the D can’t see your eyes on where u wanna go. I heard DMC and TJ both requested to have visors and were denied.
by TheColdStareofDaveStewart on Nov 7, 2011 4:13 PM PST up reply actions
Why? Other players on our team wear visors.
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by Al Davis *Commitment to Excellence* on Nov 7, 2011 4:15 PM PST up reply actions
None of our RBs
wear tinted visors. A RB with tinted visor gives you a huge advantage especially when you’re trying to hit holes, make cuts etc.
by TheColdStareofDaveStewart on Nov 7, 2011 4:17 PM PST up reply actions
you need a RX from a doctor supposedly....
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WOW... that's lame!
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by Al Davis *Commitment to Excellence* on Nov 7, 2011 4:32 PM PST up reply actions
If we win I'm
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by Ozraider on Nov 7, 2011 3:57 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
If we win I'm taking full credit for reverse jinx
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by Ozraider on Nov 7, 2011 3:57 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Lol.
I was considering cheering for the Niners and smack talking the Raiders for the rest of the season to do a reverse jinx. Cuz apparently all the teams i bleed for (Raiders, A’s, Warriors) still can’t catch a break. Thought about it, but I couldn’t bare the thought of cheering on an overthrown Alex Smith pass
by TheColdStareofDaveStewart on Nov 7, 2011 4:02 PM PST up reply actions
Same here.
I went one for three football wise this week. Only my old high school won, and they had to fucking wait until AFTER I left to go 8-0 so far. Shitfaces went 0-10 my freshman year there.
Fucking Fresno State has a good QB and thats it.
WR’s drop passes, secondary is trash (their starting safety is the worst in college football) and their O-line is struggling to get to mediocre.
I have 5 parents on a club soccer team I coach that give me shit daily about the fucking 9ers.
They are a good team, no denying it, but they don’t deserve all of the hype they are getting.
Just sit back and enjoy
because Alex Smith’s carriage will turn back into that pumpkin soon enough fellas.
by TheColdStareofDaveStewart on Nov 7, 2011 4:08 PM PST up reply actions
At least Al kept everybody in check....
Hue wouldn’t be acting like big man on campus, with the Palmer trade and the Hagan/Houshmandzadeh nonsense. And I’m positive we would have seen more of Heyward-Bey yesterday too
Torty Craig, we hardly knew ye
You better watch what you say about Al
Look what has happened since he passed.
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by Ozraider on Nov 7, 2011 3:47 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
True
wonder if Hagan was on our team still, playing ST’s, would he have made that tackle on Royale preventing the punt return?
Nope. It was stated clearly in most of the Highlights, Lechler outkicked his coverage. A booming kick is great, but there are times when you need to temper it a bit to make sure you have someone right on top of it.
+1
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Raider Nation, all hand's on deck or get the hell off the ship! That's the way it's gonna be around here from now on! If a 7th & 5th round pick gets you Aaron Curry (a former 4th overall 1st rd. pick) instead of a couple of crap-shoots a year later, then fine and if dealing away a couple of first rounder's gets you a proven franchise quarterback like Carson Palmer and a legitimate shot at the playoffs, then great, you know why? Because your team is standing behind it's motto & legacy, "Just Win Baby!" and "Commitment to Excellence" instead of "Suck for Luck" and "Give Up". Imagine if you were a fan of a team that actually bought into that!?!
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by The MoonMan 804 on Nov 7, 2011 3:55 PM PST up reply actions
Definitely
"We have an attack mindset from the get-go. We're going to try to pressure you in as many ways as we can, from the tempo we play at to the formations we run." - Chip Kelly
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by Ozraider on Nov 7, 2011 3:58 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
That doesn't take into account
Them running it back for a TD. Maybe they will get more initial return yards, but you can’t excuse away a horrible lack of effort and tackling on Shane outkicking the coverage.
@WorldBLee
JC was not the answer, but...
Hue’s reaction to having Carson is. If we ran the same game plan with Carson as we did with JC, we would be rocking. We should not be switching up our team identity on the fly. Pound the fuckin rock, and go deep with play action (with a QB who can finally make the throw). We are not the Packers yet.
by Not Jamarcus! on Nov 7, 2011 4:12 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
If I counted right, all but 1 (34) of the pass plays were 3+ WR sets
That’s insane. Not to mention 22 passes out of the shotgun. You would think that we used the Saints or Patriots playbook on offense in that game. I really hope Hue was just trying to get Carson to throw the ball a lot to knock off as much rust as possible (I don’t really like that idea, but it’s better than having that style as a long term offense). Another crazy thing is that DHB is only out there for a handful. Maybe DHB wasn’t feeling well and Jackson didn’t mention it, but why is DHB not involved in 3+ WR sets? We need to go back to pounding the rock to open up the passing lanes. We hardly had any play action passes as well. I’m hoping we see something much different on thursday.
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Looking at the success we had with it early
I don’t see too much of a problem (Barring the picks, only one of which can be entirely blamed on Palmer, and that due to rust). I think a few runs would be nicer, but the running game slowed in the second half and Hue made the necessary decision.
Honestly, I love what the passing offense is going to be capable of. Sure, things need tweaking, and Hue needs to improve playcalling a bit and get DHB in there. But the key is keeping defenders out of the box for DMC so he can break those big runs. SD will have to think twice about doing that Thursday, especially as their secondary hasn’t been perfect either.
The defense is what we need to worry about.
The lack of play action was maddening
you’ve got a back who’s averaging 5 yards a carry you’d think we could parlay that into some sort offensive pass play with play action…it leaves one scratching his head. Especially since Denver was crowding 8 men at the line for a lot of those running downs, just an audible to play action would at least have kept them honest on running downs.
The one screen pass they did worked pretty well, a few more of those mixed in wouldn’t have hurt either.
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True, but Palmer seems to be audibling
all day. Some play action would have opened up those few more runs we needed instead of them stacking the line.
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Yeah. Denver took a leaf out of NE's book and stacked the line
We burned them. This game would have been 44-38 if the grass hadn’t been wet. Fucking weather causes a pick and almost two more and loses us some 40 yard passes.
And Dmac was running through them gaping holes ...
With his ability to make people miss … I think we’d have had two more TD’s w/him in there instead of Bush. Not that I dislike Bush, but in the open field, there’s just no comparison who is teh more dangerous back …
by Brett J Valjalo on Nov 7, 2011 11:59 PM PST up reply actions
to clarify to many of you:
1) I’m not jumping ship or saying all is lost. I’m just saying that you have to wonder. I’ve never been overly impressed with Carson Palmer. The Bengals have been more inept than the Raiders the past few years. Carson Palmer only had two winning seasons and never showed that had it in the playoffs, let alone many regular seasons. Even though he had Rudi Johnson in his prime and two, at the time, Pro Bowl caliber wide receivers. He also isn’t mobile enough to last behind the spotty O-Line. Campbell’s mobility prevented a few sacks. Plus we love to have PA rollouts tutn to run plays.
2) Hue is passing WAY TOO MUCH! This team is built to run and be a top-3 team at it. All of a sudden we’re up to 30+ pass attempts a game because Campbell went down. Campbell couldn’t throw 30+ passes a game yes, but does Carson Palmer inspire any confidence in that regard? Ease Palmer in, then when he’s got his game down you can throw it all around. But right now you should be easing him in and using the strength, the run game!
3) I don’t care who you are, DHB>Housh. Even if it’s for chemistry’s sake, Palmer hasn’t played with Housh in three years! Great chemistry let me tell ya
4) If Hue keeps playing favorites and contradicting himself about not playing injured players, and playing the best guys, he will lose the locker room VERY QUICKLY.
5) Stop making wild moves and starting guys after only a couple practices. It worked with Curry because the defense is simple and all he has to do is find the guy and tackle him. You can’t do the same thing with more complex positions of QB and WR.
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I can’t stress number 2 enough. As a fan of smashmouth football, it sickens me. We can finally be a dominant, and I mean sheer dominant, running team. Instead we see the 30+ passes that sicken me. My mentality, and I think a famous coach said this but i forget who, there’s three things that can go wrong on a pass play, but only one thing can go wrong on a running play.
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I pose this question to you
What if the pass game becomes viable? What if instead of 60-40 run it’s now 40-60 run and we succeed with it? Because what I saw points in that direction.
Whatever wins games. I’d rather that, if we do change to 40-60 run, that we actually the O-Linemen and consistency from the receivers to do so. Rushing that change and rushing Palmer will only slow it down further. Hue needs to slow the hell down. With everything.
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I see where you're going. But Palmer looked far better than he did against KC
It was our D that failed us. That and that damn grass. How did Denver not slip on it a ton?
Hue’s playcalling did us in. The defense quit because the offense was sputtering, and Hue was playing favorites. doesn’t matter how good the defense is if the offense isn’t doing anything. Defense was on the field too much, too many injuries starting to catch up, and their play was wasted when they saw Carson throw a pick.
Palmer could have thrown probably 6 INT’s the game if Denver defenders could catch worth a crap.
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A few points
The running game eats clock regardless of it’s a good run or a bad run. This helps keep our defense off the field.
Our line is better at run blocking than pass protection. Carson is not mobile, and if defenses come after him with ears pinned (like they will if we pass a lot) I don’t see good outcomes.
We need to pass enough to be balanced, sure. But no matter if we have Carson or JC back there, if we are throwing all the time I don’t see us having success. Instead, I see more picks, more time that our D is on the field, and more sacks.
@WorldBLee
Yeah.
I see where you’re coming from. But they did an excellent job of both in the first half before Satele went down (What else is new). Regardless, Palmer showed drastic improvement and I love that our receivers (Barring DHB- WTF?) are being utilized to near, if not completely, their full potential.
yeah but
what happened to “the time is now” that Hue kept proclaiming? To all the sudden become a pocket passing team mid season seems more like “the time is later”
I think (I hope)
That Thursday will be a bounce back game. Palmer is beginning to find his rhythm, hopefully SD will have the grass dry, and our defense will have pulled it’s head out of it’s ass/
when he stops throwing three INT’s per game, then we can talk about finding his rhythm.
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Dude, one of those was on him.
One. Stretching it, two if you count the last one, trying to make a play because our D shitted our once again.
How many QB's can come out of retirement and throw for 300yds & 3 TD's with 2 and half weeks of practice on a team... in the middle of a whirlwind of doubt & speculation?
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by Al Davis *Commitment to Excellence* on Nov 7, 2011 4:43 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
against a bad Denver team while still throwing three picks and having 35 opportunities to do so. If Carson can lead us to wins in the next couple weeks, plus prove himself against a legit team, then I will stop doubting him. But his career has been far from great and he’s not a guy I’d call a proven winner.
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When things got bad, early in the season and we had to rely on Jason's arm what did he do? That's why you are seeing a change from a Run first team to a more Balanced / Passing team..... Defenses will have to respect palmers arm and ability to beat them
throwing the football… Carson is the closest we have come to a franchise QB in 2 hand full of years… he will help our WR’s develop at a much, much faster rate….
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by Al Davis *Commitment to Excellence* on Nov 7, 2011 4:55 PM PST up reply actions
Campbell kept the team plenty balanced. This isn’t a deep ball team, this a team where a little slant or screen can turn into a 40 yard gain.
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Balanced? Teams started stacking the box against DMC after his early success
We struggled against some terrible defenses who kept McFadden in check because we couldn’t burn them.
We have DHB, Jacoby & Moore, how can you say we are not a deep ball team? you mean with JC at QB we are not a deep ball team.... i agree we do need to add more quick slants & drag routes to our offensive mix.
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by Al Davis *Commitment to Excellence* on Nov 7, 2011 5:02 PM PST up reply actions
ill give you that one
and i like carsons positivity, but all that gets trumped and dumped if Hue trys to change the whole offense mid season. Carson should be learning our O, the the receivers know, what the stregnths are, not changing our offensive scheme entirely to fit carson. He’s a pro and he has the same skill set as campbell, why do we all the sudden throw the ball so much, and go deep instead of intermediate, TE, “move the chains” type passes???
going for the deep ball all the time wins games? Not in this league. If you can’t throw short and medium passes, then you won’t get far. That’s why you see the Pats, Colts, and Saints in the playoffs constantly.
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That's not what I meant.
That TD JC left on the field every week, when Moore/DHB/Ford was wide open downfield- that’s what we’ll be getting.
EXACTLY!
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by Al Davis *Commitment to Excellence* on Nov 7, 2011 4:56 PM PST up reply actions
in addition to two or three INT’s and more passing than the team is built for.
Campbell Raiders > Palmer Raiders until Palmer finally proves himself and wins a couple games, with at least one against a legit team. Campbell beat the Texans, the win wasn’t because of him i know. But it was a win against a legit team, and he it wasn’t exactly in spite of him either.
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We are built for it, believe it or not.
We have DHB, Moore and Ford because Al held fast to the vertical game.
I’ll tell you why, because Carson isn’t all that accurate on short throws. nearly every Cincy game gets televised here (West Virginia and all we get is the crappy AFC North), and I’ve never seen anything that made me say, “this guy is a great QB”. Only two playoff seasons with one being a first round exit? Not a guy I’m calling a proven winner. He can throw a good deep ball, but he overthrows a lot on short routes.
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Meaning his skill set is different.
JC hit the short ones but threw the long ones out of bounds or too short.
Palmer is on/ahead of schedule
in regards to him finding rhythm and shaking off the rust of live game inactivity. I’ll take those 3 gem TD passes, and 3 picks (2 of which were not all his fault) over the lackadaisical “ho hum” qb play Campbell gave us before his injury.
by TheColdStareofDaveStewart on Nov 7, 2011 4:46 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
#3 & #4
Palmer has actually been working out with Housh ALL SUMMER long. 500k is a small price to pay for a security blanket for Palmer to help speed up this transition period. And we all know DHB still has trouble attacking the ball, he still relies too much on his body to catch passes. Maybe it’s something him and Carson still have to work on. It’s taken him this long to just be a productive nfl player for christs sake. The corps of WRs that were out there probably were able to adjust to Carson the fastest, therefore they gave us the best chance to compete.
by TheColdStareofDaveStewart on Nov 7, 2011 4:54 PM PST up reply actions
because summer workouts=NFL game. NFL preseason games aren’t even real NFL games.
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So which is better?
“Hi, I’m Jacoby/Darrius/Chaz/Denarious/Kevin. I’m looking forward to playing with you and catching some passes this year.”
or
“Sup man, just like old times. I’m ready to rock!”
by TheColdStareofDaveStewart on Nov 7, 2011 4:59 PM PST up reply actions
let me fix the second one,
“Sup man, just like the old times except we’re both over-the-hill and I can’t catch a cold nowadays”
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Okay
I can understand you don’t like Palmer and Housh. That’s fine. But are your really gonna tell me that Jason Campbell and DHB are head shoulders better players than Carson Palmer and Housh? Really?
by TheColdStareofDaveStewart on Nov 7, 2011 5:03 PM PST up reply actions
They are completely different types.
Housh is a possession receiver, DHB is a burner.
Campbell is a manager, Palmer is a bomb-thrower.
Can’t compare them too well.
I get that
But who would you rather have to make a play for you…in..let’s say a “Must Win Game” or the playoffs this season?
by TheColdStareofDaveStewart on Nov 7, 2011 5:06 PM PST up reply actions
Campbell and DHB. Campbell never gave a game away that I can recall. Plus if Campbell’s the QB, we actually run the football.
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NE was beaten had he ran the TD in instead of throwing the red zone pick
look. I don’t want to beat up on JC, and I’d prefer he was never hurt, but you’re absolutely reaching here.
JC protects the ball magnificently most of the time, but he’s cost us a couple too. I can remember multiple examples last year where if he’d been able to find hot reads and open guys downfield, we’d have won more games then too. I also wonder how far he’d have ever taken us with that style. I’d always hoped he’d blossom with the vertical pass game and deep ball, and learn to move through progressions and do pre-snap reads and adjust at the line. He can’t.
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Campbell
Like i’ve previously said. I think the guy is a class act and great teammate (i.e. organizing the lockout workouts). BUT he was not progressing into the franchise quarterback he was touted to be. If anything, I saw in the the games leading up to his injury that he was digressing. The picks vs NE, the brain farts in Houston and vs CLE. I’m sorry but what I saw from Palmer at QB this past Sunday inspires me for bigger things than what JC has shown during his 1 1/4 seasons here. It’s really upsetting to see members of our fanbase not seeing the big difference in the two QBs.
by TheColdStareofDaveStewart on Nov 8, 2011 10:24 AM PST up reply actions
+1
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Raider Nation, all hand's on deck or get the hell off the ship! That's the way it's gonna be around here from now on! If a 7th & 5th round pick gets you Aaron Curry (a former 4th overall 1st rd. pick) instead of a couple of crap-shoots a year later, then fine and if dealing away a couple of first rounder's gets you a proven franchise quarterback like Carson Palmer and a legitimate shot at the playoffs, then great, you know why? Because your team is standing behind it's motto & legacy, "Just Win Baby!" and "Commitment to Excellence" instead of "Suck for Luck" and "Give Up". Imagine if you were a fan of a team that actually bought into that!?!
Cheers,
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by The MoonMan 804 on Nov 8, 2011 11:16 AM PST up reply actions
I think its a sense of loyalty some Raiders often feel
especially following the losing records, and Jason being a part of us growing out of it; but beyond that, it’s like you said. There’s really no comparison.
It’s nothing short of amazing for Palmer to have done what he has the last ten days being taken right off the couch just weeks ago.
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S & BP has completly lost there mind since yesterdays lost.... it's so sad, its kinda funny..
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by Al Davis *Commitment to Excellence* on Nov 7, 2011 5:05 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
or was the mind lost before and they are coming to reality
no man I am just kidding… It is funny how it changes. But reality is I think the expectations were falsely too high and that is causing this “chicken little” syndrome
Why be so dissatisfied with Palmer? He played pretty well for a guy who got his first start after sitting for a long time.
I suggest that you leanr to like Palmer because he is likely going to be a our QB for the forseeable future. If you don’t, then you won’t be able to enjoy watching them. Like it or not, he’s the best QB we’ve had since Gannon.
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330 yards 3 tds and 8 different receivers caught at least one catch, i know he had 3 ints but thats impressive.
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by Marcus Allen Krause on Nov 7, 2011 5:50 PM PST up reply actions
Speaking of DHB, that pass Palmer threw to him could have been a Touchdown if he jumps and make a play on the ball! instead he stayed behind the DB, instead of attacking the ball at its highest point, like youre are tought since pop warner..
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by Al Davis *Commitment to Excellence* on Nov 7, 2011 4:59 PM PST up reply actions
db had his arm locked...
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if that's the case if he try's to jump he would drawn a defensive PI call......come on DHB
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by Al Davis *Commitment to Excellence* on Nov 7, 2011 6:12 PM PST up reply actions
You're right
Exactly the kind of play DHB rarely makes. Just doesn’t attack the ball on bombs, part of the reason he’s caught so few.
I could swear I heard CP say him and Housh worked out for a week ...
In one interview w/him I saw, I believe shortly after the signing. Where’d you here they worked out all summer?
I agree though Housh was worth taking a chance on at league-minimum. Wish we didn’t have to waive Hagan … but at least that move makes a bit of sense now that it appears CJ isn’t going on the IR.
Speaking of CJ and IR … was Lito even active yesterday? I don’t recall seeing him play but curious if he was even activated …
by Brett J Valjalo on Nov 7, 2011 11:48 PM PST up reply actions
Summer
I heard Housh on 95.7 The Game being interviewed right after the Palmer trade was made. They both live in SoCal so that’s who he has been working out with (along with TO). He went on to say that in the summer of 2010 when they worked out, he was worried that Palmer’s arm seemed tired from the passes he was getting. But this summer, he said it looked like the old Palmer was back. Passes having more zip.
by TheColdStareofDaveStewart on Nov 8, 2011 10:30 AM PST up reply actions
Well he may have promised a bully, but he hired the village idiot to run his D
Hue is ultimately responsible for the whole team, but the truth is this group of Raiders playing defense is not coached well enough to win games. Sure they have talent… Front four, even during rotations is stout, and had 2 pro-bowl tackles last year. Seymour and Kelly are great talents, as is Houston and Shanny. Death Ro, wimbley and Curry all have immense talent. Routt is very good, and DVD is holding his own. Branch has talent, but the others safeties may be lacking…. Either way, the pieces are there for a good defense. So why is it that these guys suck on a football field? SIMPLE:
Lack of good coaching. Plain and simple. Chuck is destroying the bully with his stupidity. These guys play like 11 individuals who haven’t a clue. Notice I was careful above to not call them a team? Because they don’t play like one. They are not a whole, but rather 11 individuals. Both OLBs not keeping contain ALL day yesterday is a fundamental error. Bad coaching and bad adjustments (if there even were any). Chuck sucks. Plain and simple. His defenses have never been any good, and he doesn’t look like he is going to change that this year either. He can’t create a team out of the 11 guys on the field. Say what you want, that is coaching. The penalties are coaching. All of what you saw yesterday was a lack of coaching. Sure the Raiders are hurt (Rolando, Checkwa, CJ, Shanny) but what ever. all teams are dealing with that. No excuses. I saw 11 talented guys get beat by 1 lessor talented TEAM yesterday. It really is that simple.
How can anyone defend Chuck when it is broken down like that? Hue needs to break from this loser if he wants that bully.
I guess I could make the case for Fassel letting the same team return 2 punts on you in one year, but I will let him slide with the trick plays that won two other games.
Bres needs to go.
We might sneak into the playoffs, which would keep Hue around, but we’ll lose the first round and Bres will be gone.
We make no adjustments during the second half.
maybe youre right...
Chuck is walking on thin ice….
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by Al Davis *Commitment to Excellence* on Nov 7, 2011 5:13 PM PST up reply actions
The only upside is SD has their issues as well.
A win Thursday-which I have some confidence in- will restore confidence
ALOT!
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by Al Davis *Commitment to Excellence* on Nov 7, 2011 5:16 PM PST up reply actions
I never wanted him in the fist place
but for what Al wanted, Bresnajoke is the only guy who would run this antiquated defense that Al favored. All the rest of those up and coming potential DC’s want to run a defensive scheme that incorporates more team philosophy… our single high safety, man up defense is based on individual performances and one on one match ups where each of our individuals wins his separate battle with theirs. That is why we play as individuals and not as a unit.
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Raider Nation, all hand's on deck or get the hell off the ship! That's the way it's gonna be around here from now on! If a 7th & 5th round pick gets you Aaron Curry (a former 4th overall 1st rd. pick) instead of a couple of crap-shoots a year later, then fine and if dealing away a couple of first rounder's gets you a proven franchise quarterback like Carson Palmer and a legitimate shot at the playoffs, then great, you know why? Because your team is standing behind it's motto & legacy, "Just Win Baby!" and "Commitment to Excellence" instead of "Suck for Luck" and "Give Up". Imagine if you were a fan of a team that actually bought into that!?!
Cheers,
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by The MoonMan 804 on Nov 8, 2011 11:17 AM PST up reply actions
Chuck
was the only D coordinator AL would sign off on for Hue. Remember, Defense was AL’s thing. If you didn’t agree with his old school philosophies you were not going to be working for the Raiders or wouldn’t be for very long. I would have like to see Moss or Thurman or another young defensive mind to come in and coach the D next year.
by TheColdStareofDaveStewart on Nov 7, 2011 5:25 PM PST up reply actions
Anyone but this idiot!
I don’t know if Hue has reign enough now to change the philosophy to something newer than 1970’s defense, but of he does, now is the time! I have been saying this forever: This league is about copying what works. Do you see anyone copying the Raiders? Then that is clue #1 it is time to start copying the teams that are doing it correctly (Pitt, Balt)…. Just anything but this guy. I almost threw something at my TV because they put that fat dope on there so many times yesterday.
DMC 4.33
Reese 4.4
Ford 4.28
Jones 4.27
Moore 4.45 (Gotta actually be faster)
DHB 4.3
Chaz 4.33
Yeah, we’re not built for the deep ball at all.
it’s an issue for me of the O-Line not being able to hold their blocks long enough. And a few deep balls a game is perfectly fine, but trying it all the time is just plain stupid. Sometimes you can’t be like, “touchdown every play.” Sometimes it’s better to think of it as picking up first down after first down, then touchdown.
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We are definitely built for the deep ball as far as receivers go
having the QB that can make the deep throw has been the problem, Campbell had no deep touch and Carson will need time to get the rhythm and timing down with those fast receivers you mentioned, plus you can’t throw the ball deep all the time. We need to be as balanced as possible to keep the defense off balance and guessing. i.e. we have got to quit running the same plays over and over again like we have been doing.
"Now I know what your thinking, did he fire six shots or only five. Ive forgotten myself in all this excitement, but being that this is the 44 magnum, the most powerful handgun in the world and could blow your head clean off, you have to ask your question. Do I feel lucky? Well do ya punk!"
Dirty Harry Callahan
+1
"THE TIME TO WIN IS NOW" - Coach Hue Jackson
Raider Nation, all hand's on deck or get the hell off the ship! That's the way it's gonna be around here from now on! If a 7th & 5th round pick gets you Aaron Curry (a former 4th overall 1st rd. pick) instead of a couple of crap-shoots a year later, then fine and if dealing away a couple of first rounder's gets you a proven franchise quarterback like Carson Palmer and a legitimate shot at the playoffs, then great, you know why? Because your team is standing behind it's motto & legacy, "Just Win Baby!" and "Commitment to Excellence" instead of "Suck for Luck" and "Give Up". Imagine if you were a fan of a team that actually bought into that!?!
Cheers,
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by The MoonMan 804 on Nov 8, 2011 11:18 AM PST up reply actions
Well fuck.
DMC isn’t looking like he’ll be back.
http://www.sbnation.com/fantasy/2011/11/7/2545485/darren-mcfadden-injury-fantasy-football-oakland-raiders-vs-chargers
About what?
I liked what I say out of Palmer, he does have some balls for the passes he attempts and pulls off.
What worries me is our buffoon for a DC. The option read is so simple to counter, switch from man to a press cover 2, tell your DE to stay home and let nothing outside of you. CB key on QB and if he rolls out hit him! The inability to make successful game-time adjustments is what bothers me with the defense. we will not win games unless our coaches step up.
For the offense I agree with everyone here, Bush only had 19 carries!!! Both as a fan and someone who started bush in fantasy league, it killed me!
Well here we go
Everyone needs to calm down and take a minute.
Let’s get one thing out of the way. If the 2nd half Raiders show up for any game from here on out we will lose that game. Granted I didn’t get to see the second half but I did listen on the radio while I was riding home and everything pointed to something of a deflated feel. The fire was gone from this team.
Now we have a great football team. Bomber is going to make some more mistakes so get ready for that, but for every mistake he made yesterday I saw 2-3 throws that I haven’t seen since 02. We plugged in a QB that isn’t ready right now. The bad part is the only way to get him ready now is to keep throwing him in the fire.
Bresnahan is target number 1 in my eyes. It’s been said a bunch of times already but 3rd quarter is the worst for us because we make no adjustments it seems, and lose whatever passion we had going into the locker room.
Defense needs alot of work. Our playcalling on the other side of the ball is pretty bad as well. I personally think this GM experiment Hue is having right now is becoming a distraction. He needs to get his ass out of Al’s chair and worry about coaching this team. Quit worrying about the front office shit, let Trask and co. handle that. We don’t need to add any more pieces or make any more deals. We roll with what we have.
And what we have won’t amount to much if our Head Coach is wheeling and dealing instead of teaching. I still support Hue, but I do want to see him as our coach….Not our GM.
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by TheDudeAbides138 on Nov 7, 2011 6:14 PM PST reply actions
yeah, spot on
Chuck B. better step up and figure some shit out, and quickly.
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Hahahaha...KA1ZR3..It's NOT Gloom and Doom...Look I admit Carson had 3 turnovers...
but the fact he hasn’t played a full game since when?..No training camp and he still put up points says a whole lot to me. Also, he is a work in progress, I am glad we have a short week, because the Raiders would have loved another quarter Sunday. Next is this, Housh will get cut if he doesn’t produce in a manner that is expected, as a ballplayer he knows he was overlooked and he should have a chip on his shoulder. Again, he had NO time to learn the playbook. Hey, playing ball at that level is NO joke, my cousin played for Bill Walsh in SF and that playbook was NO JOKE…And I went through it myself….I am NOT in panic mode, however, if we lose like this on Thursday, now we have a problem, it means we have NOT won a single divisional game and the only team to make the playoffs in the AFC West will be the Champion, no wildcard teams coming out of the West..
I expect a better effort from the Raiders Thursday and a win, without it, the entire scope of the season changes. Go Raiders!!!
by Rodney Sacramento on Nov 7, 2011 6:22 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
+1 @Rodney Sacramento
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by Al Davis *Commitment to Excellence* on Nov 7, 2011 6:31 PM PST up reply actions
He hasn’t played a full game in a long time, which is why we shouldn’t be passing 35 times to where he throws three picks. My issue is more with Palmer coming in, and that move causing this bizarre choice to throw the ball an ungodly amount despite having a two great backs (DMAC is injured though) and being built to be a top-3 rushing offense.
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Definitely want to weigh in on this
No, the sky isn’t falling.
But what the fuck is going on in Hue’s head? The post-Al, post-Houston win attention went to his head mighty fast. Hue got so much coverage after that and then after the Palmer trade that it was as if the KC game was a complete afterthought. He was more interested in the attention his Starting QB Shuffle was garnering than getting the team focused.
Then there were the play-calling antics during the game. It all keeps crying out, “Look at me.”
Now we have the Denver game and the mind-boggling benching of Boss and DHB. What the hell is going on in Hue’s head? Why are you benching two key players?
Nothing destroys a team faster than this sort of cloak and dagger bullshit.
See: Singletary, Mike
All that said, I thought Palmer—three picks or not—proved his value to me on Sunday. We haven’t had that kind of ability at QB since I don’t know when. He had to deal with multiple false starts and holds and he still made good decisions and drove the team. He had many throws that were just incredible, including the TDs to Reece and Ford. Even on the TD to Bush, he looked left, then looked back right and found Bush—a perfect progression. In the second half with no running game, he still made plays.
As for the picks, the first was on Moore, who gets beat by the corner in single coverage weekly. The corner always has a step on Moore, so when the QB throws to a spot, the receiver isn’t there. The second pick he flinged high—would have been nice if Moore hadn’t have played volleyball with it. Still on Palmer, though. The third pick was in desperation time.
In sum, if Hue will stop being a megalomaniacal dick, we should be fine. I’m a little worried that he’s not going to stop, though.
These are my concerns right now
Quit fng with the personnel and coach what you got the season is still going!!!!!!!!!
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He was awful!
See: Singletary, Mike
See unemployed Mike Singletary…
Al Davis the Greatest Raider of all times... You will live forever in the hearts of true Raider fans...RIP
Actually
Singletary is currently the LBs coach for the Vikings and Asst. Head Coach to Leslie Frazier. We’ll see him, AP, EJ Henderson and company on Nov. 20
by TheColdStareofDaveStewart on Nov 7, 2011 10:36 PM PST up reply actions
ouch. I hope we're not witnessing Sing 2.0
it seems to make a lot of sense. I hope it’s not accurate. I think with the change at QB and how that could’ve required we practice with some additions lately, it’s quite possible what he’s stated about usage and personnel sets, while seemingly a lame excuse, could bear truth. If it continues I’ll agree with you and expect it to be detrimental as well.
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Carson did just about what we thought he would do
and looked very promising doing it.
It was up to the defense to hold down Teabag and crew while Carson and the offense figure it out and they failed miserably. The offense scored 24 points, that should be enough to secure a win.
Chuck Bresnahan is an absolute joke of a DC and always was, and without Rolando in there to direct the defense they were constantly out of position, the stupid penalties (Seymour and Curry) and the shitty tackling are on the players however. We can’t even tackle?… WTF?
This loss is solely on the “D”
"Now I know what your thinking, did he fire six shots or only five. Ive forgotten myself in all this excitement, but being that this is the 44 magnum, the most powerful handgun in the world and could blow your head clean off, you have to ask your question. Do I feel lucky? Well do ya punk!"
Dirty Harry Callahan
defense, and the penalties that move the chains for the opposing offense, and kill drives for ours
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I'd like to see some stats regarding how many times we have kept drives alive for other teams this year
I’d also like to see how that compares to the rest of the league. Seeing how we lead the league in penalties…I’m guessing we’re king of the castle in this area.
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by Buster Bluth on Nov 8, 2011 12:07 PM PST up reply actions
without a doubt, in the league lead by far
I believe TB was leading us in penalty yards up to this point, but we took the lead with the stellar performance making yellow fly yesterday.
I haven’t seen it either, but know for a fact we’ve sustained drives/killed our own more than any team in the league. NE was just one that was obvious: we were stopping them all day, and giving them conversions and even field position to start their drives in the red zone as a result of third down flags.
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Will never be a head coach agin...
See: Singletary, Mike
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ffca
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Come on guys, lets not act like the sky is falling!
I agree with you on Hue’s stupid play calling. Why don’t you run the ball with a 10 point lead! I mean i know palmer was hot after halftime but come on, we needed to win the turnover battle and time of possession. However, I disagree with you on JC lighting a fire under anybody (including his OWN ass) and on the DHB/Boss debacle. Specifically with the DHB/Boss issue. We should take a wait and see approach because Hue doesn’t strike me as one to play favorites.
That being said there were a few things that bugged me:
What the hell happened to our defense? They looked solid enough in the 40 some odd minutes of the game, then after stopping the QB/RB option 15 times they proceeded to forget how to cover it! This loss really has to be pinned on our D. The D knew that Palmer was rusty and had little to no continuity with the O, yet they completely dropped the ball.
All this defensive hatred leads me to my next problem. What is with the inconsistency and lack of discipline of our defense? The Dr. Jeckle and Mr. hyde was sickeningly apparent in this game. The linebackers not staying home, the guys out of position, the penalties! I mean for god’s sake how many times do we have to see our most veteran player Big-Rich make costly penalties? I like personal fouls when they are used to inflict pain and fear. Not when a guy is being gang tackled and you yank on his face mask. Or when a QB is pushed out of bounds late on third down. Those are just stupid personal fouls.
I know I am bitching a lot so I will go ahead and leave on a positive note. Carson Palmer can really throw the fucking ball around. How he made the throws to Ford and Reece after just two to three weeks of practice leaves me astonished. I don’t want to crown him King of freaking England…well you know what I mean. But I was happy enough with his performance to leave me excited and a little relieved.
Yeah.
I honestly don’t care whether we run for 200 or throw for 350 so long as we win. We have the capability to do both (If DMC can fucking stay healthy).
+1
The fact that DMC is out has really left our unpredictable offense….predictable. The defense never knew for sure what we were gonna do with him back there. BUSH is a very good back but no DMC. ALL options are there when DMC is in there. We need that compliment to bush back in the backfield! I may be seen wrong by others but TJ is just not cutting it! He has the potential to do some great things but his vision and decisiveness is greatly lacking. He is just so hesitent half the time and others he is running sideways, backwards, or into lineman. So until DMC gets back we are kinda predictable with our options on the many different types of plays we can run with him in the lineup.
i'd take Hagan any day of the week over
TJ
by 'Dave Taddicken on Nov 7, 2011 7:36 PM PST up reply actions
I completely agree.
I’m not dogging him, just my point of view on him so far. He actually reminded me of Marcus Allen (with his smooth, deceptively quick running style) in the preseason. I believe he also has the talent to be something special. DMC and BUSH were the same when they first started playing. Time is just needed to develop.
nice article Ka1z3r and i agree but whats
truly beginning to piss me off is that I’M A MUTHA FUCCIN OAKLAND RAIDERS FAN NOT AN OAKLAND BENGALS FAN
+1
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by Al Davis *Commitment to Excellence* on Nov 7, 2011 7:31 PM PST up reply actions
No, but it's close to over
if the defense continues to fail at this rate it will be over and soon.
Carson and Co. are going to need to put it together fast and be able to put up 40+ points to make up for this sorry “D”
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Dirty Harry Callahan
Cincy Says
Thanks for the draft picks and tell Carson thanks for doing us the biggest favor he ever could have. If you guys are lucky maybe chad will come play for Hue and reunite with the rest of the game.
by BrothersOfThunder on Nov 7, 2011 8:06 PM PST reply actions
semi-literate northern kentucky stylings
Appalachia won’t even claim them
by lchristmas on Nov 7, 2011 8:23 PM PST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
See, hear is the team's problem:
With the Carson Palmer trade, the respect for the team has diminished.
First, Every single one of you that wants to say that Campbell Raiders < Palmer Raiders needs to take a good hard look at the work Campbell did since LAST season. Campbell was a leader on this team. It is because of HIM that DHB, in my opinion, is better. It is why the Offense was able to do well – PLAYACTION plays.
THIS IS NOT A PASSING TEAM. WE ARE NOT THE PATRIOTS, THE CHARGERS, THE PACKERS, THE SAINTS. WE ARE A RUN FIRST TEAM. And to change the IDENTITY of this team NOW is the STUPIDEST thing to do. MID-SEASON? THIS AIN’T MADDEN. And THEN, to take out 2 WRs who have worked their tails off, for a person that was JUST signed a week ago?
THE CHEMISTRY ON THE OFFENSE IS GONE. PERIOD. Hue wants to play favorites and shit now, NO. STAY TO THE BREAD AND BUTTER – RUN THE DAMNED BALL.
Yes, Campbell can’t throw deep throws well. Carson doesn’t throw short. and we DO NOT have the type of offense to throw down the field.
Note: I will defend Campbell for as long as I live – This was, and still Is Campbell’s team. So far, Carson, is 0-1.
The second? Where are the Position leaders on defense? MAN THE HELL UP. Steven Jackson called the Rams to order when the Saints were coming back. THEY NEED TO DO THE SAME.
Third, Hue’s calling has sucked. HARD. IT’S CALLED ADJUSTEMENTS.
Last, Hey, Defensive Coordinator: COORDINATE. SIMPLE. STOP CALLING ALL OUT BLITZES, AND PUTTING HUFF/BRANCH ON WRS. IT’S THAT EASY.
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by NFLanalyzerfromhome on Nov 7, 2011 8:06 PM PST reply actions
Note #2:
I will Take DHB/Murphy/Boss over Moore/Housh/Myers ANY DAY.
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by NFLanalyzerfromhome on Nov 7, 2011 8:07 PM PST up reply actions
Don't matter. Carson's pick resulted
in the long run.
If that was Campbell, a lot of y’all would be calling for his head. Put the blame on everybody that deserves it. There were 2 ugly picks – Both on Carson, because 1) Don’t throw a fade to Champ Bailey, and 2) Throw the ball properly – Not high.
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by NFLanalyzerfromhome on Nov 7, 2011 8:16 PM PST up reply actions
The high throw is rust. It's not excusable, but I expect those to disappear as the season goes on.
And Palmer wouldn’t have been in the position he threw the last pick in- Down and desperate to make a play- If the D could stop the option.
Very True,
But can we really afford INTS like that – I know it is rust, and I was impressed with Palmer – Now, in this stage, where we must play every game as a must-win game to go to the playoffs? Nope. So the calls need to be more conservative.
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by NFLanalyzerfromhome on Nov 7, 2011 8:20 PM PST up reply actions
This isn't a playoff team yet
Even if we make it in, it’ll be a first round exit. This D would have to play a whole lot tougher, and once it does, it’ll take the pressure off our offense.
Rust?
Carson has been throwing the ball to his receivers high for a long time. See this 2010 year end review and complaints by Cincy fans: http://bengals.gearupforsports.com/blog/2010/09/carson-palmer-is-our-quarterback/
You guys got the shaft when Hue traded the farm for him… maybe Mike Brown paid Hue a little extra on the side.
by BrothersOfThunder on Nov 8, 2011 5:50 AM PST up reply actions
Bengals
Have had Ken Anderson, Boomer Esiason and Carson Palmer. Never mattered. They still haven’t won anything. But it’s easier to blame the QBs, isn’t it?
nice post. I'll defend Campbell too
but we can’t make his collar bone well again, and reverse the past. Hue is struggling with the transition right now, and the chemistry is lost, but I’m not at all convinced it will stay that way, and there are indications to the contrary with Palmer. Palmer to Ford looks like it could be extremely exciting to watch. DHB hasn’t gone anywhere, and it’s premature to think so. Nor has Boss.
I’m more concerned with Bres lack of adjustment, and wonder if he can. Hue needs to get the offense right, so he can get back to overseeing the whole thing, including the defense. Bres could kill us.
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According to LaConfora...JC is ahead of schedule in his healing process
If we go 1-3 or even 2-2 while JC is out (provided he is back in that span) and Carson looks like Carson circa 2010 then this trade is going to be even more scrutinized than it already has been.
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by Buster Bluth on Nov 8, 2011 12:17 PM PST up reply actions
If he heals, and Carson goes 2-2, I'm saying it now:
PUT JC BACK IN.
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by NFLanalyzerfromhome on Nov 8, 2011 12:43 PM PST up reply actions
no fucking way that is happening, even if he was 0-4 at that time
We gave up too much, JC in Oakland is done. I wish it didn’t have to happen but its too late. Move on.
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by Marcus Allen Krause on Nov 9, 2011 8:42 AM PST up reply actions
I do wish that JC
would consider taking a backup role for the Raiders, Boller has proven we do need a better backup and JC fits the bill perfectly.
I know he considers himself a starter in this league, but what does the rest of the league consider him?
The team that takes chances on guys like him, is the team he’s already on. I hope for him he gets a starters job, but I hope for us that he doesn’t.
"Now I know what your thinking, did he fire six shots or only five. Ive forgotten myself in all this excitement, but being that this is the 44 magnum, the most powerful handgun in the world and could blow your head clean off, you have to ask your question. Do I feel lucky? Well do ya punk!"
Dirty Harry Callahan
I think by next year
Pryor will be ready to backup.
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You're way off
Let’s start with what we agree on, which is not much. I am a bit perplexed on how Hue chose to use DHB, TJ, and Boss. I also don’t understand why we were constantly going after Champ Bailey.
But the fact of the matter is Hue and the offense is not the problem. The theme of your article seems to suggest that Hue doesn’t know what he is doing offensively – really? I thought that was the one thing we were constantly getting right. Dating back to last year, since Hue took over the offensive responsibilities, the offensive has improved dramatically. Hue is definitely one of the brightest offensive minds in the game – my opinion.
Our problem is defense – period! Even with the horrible offensive output in the KC game we are currently ranked 10th in the league on offensive. The defensive on the other hand is ranked 26th.
Once Carson gets totally up to speed and we get Mcfadded back I think we have the potential of being a top 5 offensive with Hue Jackson running things.
Chuck Bresnahan is the problem. The stats done lie; this guys sucks! He needs to go.
Here's a perfect example:
Michael Bush is the type of runner that runs between the tackles. I did not see any linemen pulling, I just saw the same Dive play being run over and over.
I do believe that hue knows what he’s doing. The problem is, he’s trying to change the identity of the team, when it has already been established.
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by NFLanalyzerfromhome on Nov 7, 2011 8:09 PM PST up reply actions
Simply put, we can go either way with little to no personnel change.
I won’t complain if we go the pass route if it gets us wins. And once Palmer gets rolling it sure looks like it can.
I can't complain either if it gets us wins.
We just need to stick to what worked for the 4 wins we have.
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by NFLanalyzerfromhome on Nov 7, 2011 8:14 PM PST up reply actions
It worked with an entirely different QB.
That’s the thing. Palmer makes the deep throws JC can’t. I hated watching JC miss the deep balls with DHB/Moore/Ford open. THe key down the road will be keeping DMC healthy and getting Palmer comfortable.
Palmer should be able to do everything JC could not,
AND throw the ball down the field. Everytime I saw him drop back, it was as if he was looking for the homerun play. Slow that down, and do what has worked.
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by NFLanalyzerfromhome on Nov 7, 2011 8:17 PM PST up reply actions
I will agree there.
Hue got a little greedy playcalling wise. With DMC in this team is dangerous; those massive holes Bush had early would result in TD’s. I think Hue needs to calm a little down and keep getting Palmer more and more comfortable.
Exactly.
Stick to the 2WR-2TE sets, call the runs, run the playaction. Carson has what he only had in 2 years at Cincinnati – A REAL RUN GAME.
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by NFLanalyzerfromhome on Nov 7, 2011 8:21 PM PST up reply actions
I agree. Mix in the occasional 3 wr sets like we did with Campbell, but remain predominantly 21 personnel
where we have established an identity. I think we could completely lose it for the other ten guys on the field in trying to find one for Carson. It’s a tightrope Hue is walking.
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Stop it.
Our WRs are set, but it takes time to establish an identity. Time which we do not have. Stick to what works
Run, Run, Playaction, Move the chains, go for the OCCASIONAL bomb.
If we keep getting greedy, Palmer is going to end up like Rivers is right now.
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by NFLanalyzerfromhome on Nov 7, 2011 8:14 PM PST up reply actions
I know he is.
I am saying he is going to end up like Rivers – Throwing a ton of picks.
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by NFLanalyzerfromhome on Nov 7, 2011 8:31 PM PST up reply actions
explain.
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by NFLanalyzerfromhome on Nov 7, 2011 8:33 PM PST up reply actions
I messed that up. Brainfart.
Rivers is failing the team. The team is failing Palmer here. Palmers’ confidence level is probably higher at this point, if only because he’s thinking about improving and Rivers is now playing to avoid mistakes.
Understood.
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by NFLanalyzerfromhome on Nov 7, 2011 8:35 PM PST up reply actions
From what I saw from the offense
We are headed in a great direction. JC was a manager, CP is too but a playmaker also. When the team gels….IT"S ON!!!
In Carson's defense
I just can’t see comparing the two right now. 4 of his picks could have easily been avoided and will with time and chemistry with his recievers
I understand.
But the thing is, he has no time to establish timing. This is for the division. Cut down on the down the field throws.
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by NFLanalyzerfromhome on Nov 7, 2011 8:35 PM PST up reply actions
You aren't getting it.
Timing is coming from increased activity with the WR’s. Palmer is gaining confidence. Rivers is losing it.
I get it.
However, I know that not having timing results in turnovers and 3 and outs. I know Rivers is losing confidence. But Interceptions wise, we cannot have Carson throwing picks all day just to get the timing down.
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by NFLanalyzerfromhome on Nov 7, 2011 8:38 PM PST up reply actions
True.
I agree. But Palmer is learning the intricacies of it. I don’t think he’ll throw 3 picks this week, if only because the Chargers don’t have the ability to get pressure very well.
He’s gone from 3 picks a half to 3 a game, with 1 truly his fault. I think he’ll throw 1 maybe 2 Thursday.
I believe the picks will come down to the defense.
how our defense plays will be a huge factor.
I hope so.
Jammer, Gilchrist, Weddle, and Bob Sanders Can Catch the ball.
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by NFLanalyzerfromhome on Nov 7, 2011 8:43 PM PST up reply actions
Our d-line needs to step up too
I don’t know if yal noticed but since shaughnessy went out our consistent pressure went too!
Carson is pretty accurate.
4 of his picks so far were in my opinion the recievers fault. 1 was a lucky jump pick 6 where he was in catch up mode (because of boller) fresh off the couch. Only the one that was high over the middle do I squarely hold him responsible for
Nope.
NEVER throw a fade to Champ Bailey.
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by NFLanalyzerfromhome on Nov 7, 2011 8:48 PM PST up reply actions
Whatever.
Any reciever in their right mind would have stopped him from intercepting that ball. If anything a offensive pass int. would be better. AT Least grab the guy!!!
I agree,
But still, don’t even give it the CHANCE.
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by NFLanalyzerfromhome on Nov 7, 2011 8:54 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
You have to be confident.
This is a game of chances. He gave his reciever an opportunity to make a play and he let him down. plain and simple. And Baily can be beat just as easy as anyone else nowadays
No one gets beat...
when the reciever lets the qb down like the rook did on that one. But what I did like is how he didn’t let that stop him from still going back and trying to get him the ball over and over again. The chemistry is coming just be patient
He sure is,
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by NFLanalyzerfromhome on Nov 7, 2011 9:06 PM PST up reply actions
Whoa.
Bailey is a top 10 man corner.
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by NFLanalyzerfromhome on Nov 7, 2011 9:03 PM PST up reply actions
Never said he wasn't
But he is no one to fear. He is not the same as he used to be
There's another thing.
We can’t wait for DMC to get healthy to change the calling. Play to Bush’s strengths. Bush can run the Power-Os. He can even run the stretches. Do those, don’t put Jones in to do that – The defense will expect that.
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by NFLanalyzerfromhome on Nov 7, 2011 8:18 PM PST up reply actions
Agreed. Thats where I was saying we are becoming predictable
Bush is a capable back. I believe we were on track in the first half but hue tried to start calling plays to make carson look good and got us off our game plan. He just needs to stay with what works
And the grass. DRY OFF THE FUCKING GRASS
It killed us early on. We’d have been up 35-7 at the half if not for all the slips.
The Coliseum is under sea level
and doesn’t drain well, pretty sure that’s common knowledge. Hue sure as hell should know it.
The Raiders of old took advantage of the wet field, using it as an advantage.
The field is what has always been and what it will continue to be. Our players need to do whatever they can to adjust to it. Housh being new, slips and we throw a pick, he needs to understand as does Palmer that you can’t get the same full speed start when the field is like that. Put on longer cleats or take an easier start, because there is no drying that field.
"Now I know what your thinking, did he fire six shots or only five. Ive forgotten myself in all this excitement, but being that this is the 44 magnum, the most powerful handgun in the world and could blow your head clean off, you have to ask your question. Do I feel lucky? Well do ya punk!"
Dirty Harry Callahan
They need to play to each's strengths- Jones's speed and Bush's power.
Jones takes the big holes bush had to the house. They seemed to run him right up the gut as a power back, which was strange.
But the Backs will turn Situational
which is what you NEVER want.
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by NFLanalyzerfromhome on Nov 7, 2011 8:23 PM PST up reply actions
Situational backs work well around the NFL.
Why not, and mix it up every so often like Hue would love to do?
I don't know if it would work with this team.
I have to see it work.
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by NFLanalyzerfromhome on Nov 7, 2011 8:25 PM PST up reply actions
That's what we said with Curry, and Palmer, and Housh.
Curry was a success, Palmer is a possible success, and Housh has yet to be evaluated. He had a lot of bad luck Sunday, slipping on the grass and getting uncalled PI.
I don't even like Housh being out there.
Murphy and DHB deserved to play more than He did.
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by NFLanalyzerfromhome on Nov 7, 2011 8:27 PM PST up reply actions
Murphy, no. DHB, yes, although his opportunites that he did get were unsuccessful.
I understand the rationale for TJ. I think we should have benched chaz, not DHB.
I can agree to that.
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by NFLanalyzerfromhome on Nov 7, 2011 8:29 PM PST up reply actions
I'm still not impressed with Moore's work right now.
He fell twice at least, let the ball be stolen from him for a pick, and did nothing to get open.
Btw, who batted that one high fastball from CP into the air for the int?
Him.
That one was all on CP. I’m sorry, but Moore would need to be at least a foot taller to catch that. He was at the top of his leap and still couldn’t get more than a stretched hand on it.
That's what I'm saying.
That’s on Palmer. And why did it seem that Our WRs were slipping, but theirs weren’t?
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by NFLanalyzerfromhome on Nov 7, 2011 8:48 PM PST up reply actions
I really don't know. I do know that 4 or 5 deep passes that probably would have been completed fell because of that.
Including 2 to Housh
Did you notice how our receivers
were getting absolutely NO separation at all? Even Reese with that miraculous TD catch on a perfect throw by CP? Is the Bronco defense that good? Or are we getting too predictable again? I say run short comebacks to Ford, DHB , Mooreand HOush—let them get the catch and make their move.
OH NO.
There was separation. Not consistently, but there was. That high pick CP threw? Moore was WIDE open.
Correction- I do know.
Their WR’s didn;t have to work nearly as hard to get open. And Bailey did slip up at least once on Bush’s TD catch.
Well, I watched on lame internet feed, so..
But I’ll put money on him NOT getting up for it full leap—no way. We haven’t seen a full Moore-esque leaping attempt in weeks.
He wasn't expecting it.
HE didn’t have time to gear up for the full leap. It’s not like it was thrown as a jump ball. It was a dart. High, but a dart. Ironic that people questioned his arm strength.
It's not about who deserves to play out there,
it’s more about the comfortability (Hues word not mine) of Carson Palmer in having someone he knows out there to throw to. Although Housh not knowing the field, slips and causes the first INT.
"Now I know what your thinking, did he fire six shots or only five. Ive forgotten myself in all this excitement, but being that this is the 44 magnum, the most powerful handgun in the world and could blow your head clean off, you have to ask your question. Do I feel lucky? Well do ya punk!"
Dirty Harry Callahan
But they need to have Jones in there when he is not only just running the ball.
Let him get some overall gametime experience. Not saying keep him in a whole drive but not just bring him in for a run and take him out. then 15 plays later do the same. He needs to learn how to play and become comfortable.
+1
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by NFLanalyzerfromhome on Nov 7, 2011 8:26 PM PST up reply actions
I believe he almost can.
but he has to know when to bring jones in for a change of pace but not just let him run it. play action, swing pass, anything but bring him in and run everytime. the D knows when he comes in he is running
+1
I agree. I’m getting real tired of hearing people pound the “This Offense/Offensive Play calling/QB/WR/RB/TE sucks!” The problem here folks lies in the DEFENSE. Chuck is not very good but he is also playing with pieces that are only suited to work in an archaic outdated defensive ideology. After this season, I not only want a new DC but I also want a new defensive philosophy in place.
by TheColdStareofDaveStewart on Nov 7, 2011 10:51 PM PST up reply actions
Prediction
Chuck will be the first ex-Bengal to go (end of the season). Hue has to place the blame somewhere. The focus will then shift to 2012 and Carson getting familiar with all of his receivers. After week 3 of the season and an 0-3 start Raiders nation will be so upset that they will be calling for a new QB and new head coach. Hue will be fired in week 7 when the Raiders head into their bye week and Carson will be benched. TJ will be cut and the Raiders will look to rebuild. They just won’t have a 2nd round draft pick in 2013 to help their cause.
Who Dey Baby!
by BrothersOfThunder on Nov 8, 2011 5:57 AM PST up reply actions
Prediction
The Bengals will still be The Bengals and still won’t anything. Again.
by TheColdStareofDaveStewart on Nov 8, 2011 10:34 AM PST up reply actions
PHI vs. CHI = GREAT RUNNING BACK BATTLE!!
I SEE ALOT OF TAIWAN JONES IN MCcoy..
"Just Win Baby..." - Coach Al Davis
1929 - FOREVER
by Al Davis *Commitment to Excellence* on Nov 7, 2011 8:24 PM PST reply actions
yup
"Just Win Baby..." - Coach Al Davis
1929 - FOREVER
by Al Davis *Commitment to Excellence* on Nov 7, 2011 8:26 PM PST up reply actions
Latest ESPN on-line article predicts Raiders to still win our division
They have more faith than we do…
I know, lol.
We can do it though.
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by NFLanalyzerfromhome on Nov 7, 2011 8:34 PM PST up reply actions
I also heard on the P and Money show an interview segment
where they were ALL talking about how everyone is shocked by the inability of our defense to be “prepared” at least to stop the Tebow offense at all. Like we had no clue that Denver was going to run an offense like that. It truly doesn’t make any sense, and you can’t blame Hue for that—other than he’s the head coach—but I’m sure he expected Chuck B to have us ready—no matter who the personnel were. I did see on one play Branch railing at Mike Mitchell who obviously blew the assignment on Tebow and helped allow one of his 30-yard runs.
According to Seymour, Kelly and Curry
the Raiders practiced for just exactly what Denver did and the players just didn’t get it done.
I think Rolando not being out there hurt us more than anything else on “D” except for the shitty tackling and stupid penalties.
"Now I know what your thinking, did he fire six shots or only five. Ive forgotten myself in all this excitement, but being that this is the 44 magnum, the most powerful handgun in the world and could blow your head clean off, you have to ask your question. Do I feel lucky? Well do ya punk!"
Dirty Harry Callahan
When it comes to the AFC division of suckage
We suck a little less?
I tel you one thing, the Chargers gave the best team in football a run for their money like no one else has—at least offensively.
Because Green Bay knows they can afford that prevent D
Rodgers is playing at an insanely high level right now.
Sorry I'm hacking it--marking papers
It’s Eddie George
http://sports.yahoo.com/video/player/nfl/Y_Sports_NFL/27185531;ylt=Ahxy5.lyUzJf5AF5JEAGNz9DubYF#nfl/YSports_NFL/27185531
Link it again?
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by NFLanalyzerfromhome on Nov 7, 2011 9:05 PM PST up reply actions
Be careful about playing the blame game
Because all roads lead back to one source, and you don’t want to bring him into, do you? Not after what we’ve been through this season.
Good Job KAIZ3R
Overall well written piece, but there are some points I dont agree with.
True JC was a good fit to the team and their play looked solid thanks to his ability to manage the game, but we werent able to rely on him to win us the game. Then again the teams strength has been running the last couple seasons so I understand that. However, with the receivers we have, JC was starting to create a flow with them before he went down. Why he went down was something else. I never wanted him to scramble. That day I had a bad feeling the minute he tried. Sure enough he fumbled the ball.
Our protection has been solid this yr and the numbers show. I was willing to give JC one more yr to see if he could step his game up the way Hue asked of him at the beginning of the yr. And after 5 games, I cant make a clear cut say as to weather or not he did. We were winning so the results are inconclusive, there was good AND bad, but mostly good. He did drive the offense down the field vs Buffalo and gave the D the lead late in the 4th qtr twice I believe, but our lousy defensive play cost us the great game vs the Bills.
Losing JC, couldve been sustainable vs a crappy Chiefs team with any other good backup unfortunately we have Boller who Hue worked with in Balt. Ughs. I dont ever want to see him on the field wearing a Raiders uniform. PERIOD. Had we not lost DMAC we wouldve just pounded the rock and asked Boller to throw when needed.
However, that same week Hue started playing the QB game instead of saying clear cut, this week Im going with this guy cause palmer isnt ready. I knew he wasnt ready and to expect a miracle comeback was foolish. Itd make a helluva Hollywood script but lets face it, it wasn’t going to happen and it didnt.
Yesterday I saw CP throw for the first time in years since I havent followed Bengals games, but I remember him from SC and he was a monster. But yes, maybe his best days are past him, but bottom line, the guy wants to play and he wants to be here. I was fine with some of his throws out there and they showed a lot of promise for the rest of the season, but in no way was I fine with him throwing 35 times for his first start in months. We have a stud backup at RB and a rookie with a lot of potential. Why the hell we went away from our run game is beyond me. I was losing my mind whenever we would pass instead of feeding the ball to Bush who was feasting on the Broncos run D. The holes he was getting were the type that would = 200 yds for DMAC easily, due to his ability to make defenders miss. Jones still needs reps in order to see the holes and make the right cuts, but the speed is unquestioned. With this in the backfield and the speed on the outside Palmer has what he needs to make a steady transition back to the game of football, but he shouldnt be asked to get back to form in his first damn game! Cmon Hue! Carson has a quicker release and the tight window passes he made yesterday show he still has the ability to make the throw, we just need to protect him the way we did JC and not ask him to be the one to win the game for us. Just manage it and hit the WRs and all should be fine. That pass to Reece was NASTY! Right on the money. But to ask him to do it every series is foolish. Keep running the damn ball Hue!
<— I couldn’t have said it better. Our bread and better was the run, lets keep running and when they stack the box or commit to stop the run let it fly and see if they can keep up with our outside speed or hell, line up Reece on the outside and give them double the trouble. Who does the D focus on there?? DHB? Ford? Moore? TJH? Reece? Boss? what a nightmare!Hue Jackson has seemingly gone from power, smashmouth football, to finesse pass heavy overnight
As for the DHB arguement, we cant say yet if hes a legit #1, but to not play him or throw his way in favor of TJH is foolish I agree. All year Hue was talking about DHB being a hard working guy. One of the hardest ones too and that hed have a great year in 11 so why the hell was he not targeted more after the way hes stepped up his game so far. His blocking is great and hes been catching away from his body lately which shows the work hes put in practice. I wanted him out there yesterday, too bad he was looked over. DONT LET IT HAPPEN AGAIN HUE! Theres a reason Darrelle Revis was playing him 10 yds deep. Teams are scared of his speed if he catches the ball.
I agree with Boss playing over Myers. We have him back after needing him early on in the season for JC and now that we have him Hue doesnt utilize him. Give me a break man!!
You didnt mention the D, but somebody did about our DC not noticing Denver was running the same damn scheme all game with Tebow playing the option. Twice Moss got fooled on the edge for a big gain. I would’ve preferred he commit to Tebow all game and let Curry or somebody else go after McGahee.
At the end tho, we are 4-4. Dating back to last year thats now 12-12. Right about the same spot we were at which is good considering weve been without our starting QB and RB the last two games and the D is playing crap ball. However, Hue has the personnel to get us over .500 this yr but its on him to get the ship right and rally the troops for the remaining 8 games. The trade for Curry was and is looking like a steal. Guy is hustling out there and laying down the pain. The Palmer trade is one game in and we have a loss to show for it, but he made some great throws in his first start. Time to go back and remember to run the ball so Palmer doesnt have to air it out and do it all himself, just manage the game for us. Seymour or Hue need to light that fire up the defense’s ass again to remind them they can play better or at least give the effort that won us the game vs SD last yr and the Jets this yr. I have faith in Hue, but Im also aware hope is a powerful drug.
The way I see it we can beat SD twice. So I see us losing vs GB and Detroit only. 6-2 the rest of the way leaves us at 10-6 and with the AFC West crown. However, if DMC continues to struggle with the foot issue it gets tougher. Im hoping hes back and eases the load for Palmer thus making the offense run a lot more efficient and in turn fire up the D to maintain whatever lead they get. Seeing SD light up GB yesterday, I like our chances vs GB at home, but on the road in December even at full strength I still see GB taking the win thanks to Aaron Rodgers. I hope I am completely wrong about this so I can talk endless crap to my GB loving buddy.
Sorry for the long post, but like I said yesterday, win or lose Silver & Black forever.
Hopefully the next 8 weeks bring more flashes of greatness and we ride into the playoffs to bring some pain.
by SilvrnBlck forever on Nov 7, 2011 10:16 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
"Just Win Baby..." - Coach Al Davis
1929 - FOREVER
by Al Davis *Commitment to Excellence* on Nov 7, 2011 10:20 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
+1 great post ...
And I agree on all points!!!
by Brett J Valjalo on Nov 7, 2011 11:10 PM PST up reply actions
Thanks Brett I appreciate it. How bout them Rai-ders tonight!!
by SilvrnBlck forever on Nov 10, 2011 10:50 PM PST up reply actions
+ 1
"THE TIME TO WIN IS NOW" - Coach Hue Jackson
Raider Nation, all hand's on deck or get the hell off the ship! That's the way it's gonna be around here from now on! If a 7th & 5th round pick gets you Aaron Curry (a former 4th overall 1st rd. pick) instead of a couple of crap-shoots a year later, then fine and if dealing away a couple of first rounder's gets you a proven franchise quarterback like Carson Palmer and a legitimate shot at the playoffs, then great, you know why? Because your team is standing behind it's motto & legacy, "Just Win Baby!" and "Commitment to Excellence" instead of "Suck for Luck" and "Give Up". Imagine if you were a fan of a team that actually bought into that!?!
Cheers,
- Saint
by The MoonMan 804 on Nov 7, 2011 11:28 PM PST up reply actions
No..no...no!
Hue didn’t mean to say “Build a Bully” he meant build a rose garden. It just came out wrong. In the process of building that rose garden, Hue also meant to say trade away all our draft picks!!!!
You mean these draft picks?
http://www.raiders.com/history/draft-history.html
Cuz, most of these could have been safely traded away for all the good they did us.
Last 4 years in the draft we've done fairly well.
Hue Jackson is trading our draft picks away like he was playing a game of madden. I don’t mind the trades, but with the trades comes the result. And what has been the result? A 38-24 loss to Denver, can we blame it on Carson? No, I thought he did fairly well. But for the fact Hue figures we have the coachs, we have the players, we can compete for a super bowl in the next two years. I don’t think we can even manage to go 9-7. But I hope I’m wrong.
What the addition of Carson Palmer brings us is hope
Can you imagine what we’d going through now if Hue had stuck with Boller???
With Palmer at least there is a chance of winning and making the playoffs, a chance that would not be there if the “next man up” was running the offense. Plus we will have Palmer for a few more years.
That said, the defense better put it together or this trade isn’t going to help us at all this season.
"Now I know what your thinking, did he fire six shots or only five. Ive forgotten myself in all this excitement, but being that this is the 44 magnum, the most powerful handgun in the world and could blow your head clean off, you have to ask your question. Do I feel lucky? Well do ya punk!"
Dirty Harry Callahan
Worse losses with Boller
But were still getting the same result, am I wrong, an L’s and L. Obviously Carson in this previous game kept us competitive. But with the Trade Hue basically said were gonna win at least 10-11 games and make it to the playoffs. I don’t care if it was the Defenses fault or Offenses fault, Hue knows his personnel and if he felt for one second we can’t win with this team because our secondary is lousy and our players tackle like Barney than the trade was foolish of him.
Is the trade still foolish if we do deep into the playoffs next year though even if we fail this year
"We want to win. The Raider fans deserve it. The Raider players deserve it, even my organization deserves it. You have to win and you have to win with a vision for the Super Bowl. That's our passion here."--Al Davis
"Winning isn't everything, but wanting to win is."--Vince Lombardi
by Marcus Allen Krause on Nov 8, 2011 11:09 AM PST up reply actions
Well if that does happen
Than it’s a good trade, but did the Raiders you saw last Sunday look like a potential playoff team? I didn’t mind the KC loss, I expected that. But figure it like this, you wouldn’t expect a team like the Dolphins to go out and trade a first and a second round pick for Carson Palmer,that’s foolish. Are the Raiders the Dolphins, No. But their not a good team either, they’re a streaky average team where occasionally the Offense is beautiful and sometimes the defense is beautiful, but neither are great. I feel the Carson Palmer trade would have made more sense in 2010, we looked like a more explosive team that year, But we’ll see, I admit I’m feeling really pessimistic about the Raiders and I’m sure if we string I few wins together my attitude will change.
And how are the Raiders gonna build a potential playoff team that can go far in the playoffs without draft picks?
Development of players is the only thing that comes to mind. Otherwise free agency, LOLOLOLOLOLOL, the only free agents that are coming here are the washed up ones, because our salary cap will be pretty close to maxed out next year. Thus unable to sign top tier free agents who would like a favorable contract. The bright side is we only need to sign Michael Bush in the offseason, unless he wants to go to another team and be a starter or make more money somewhere else. I guess you can Franchise tag him though.
Come on bro how can you look at the talent we have and not consider us a good team
We are playing bad but look at what we have and the age that they are! Take out TJ and our oldest WR is 26, DMC and Bush are both in their prime at 24 and 27, our offensive line every starter is under 30, our DL we have Shaughnessy and Houston who are young studs and Seymour still has years left, McClain Curry and Goethel (if he stays healthy next year I expect big things) and DVD and Chimdi are full of potential that we already are seeing materialize in all of them except Goethel who isn’t playing. We are not in need of a ton of draft picks with young talent like that and the holes we have can be addressed in FA. We only have 13 people on our active roster who are 30+. We have always manipulated the cap to get who we want and we will be looking for a GM that can keep doing the same thing. We are built for long term success, once it starts coming its going to come in floods. We are capable of being a playoff team this year and it would be embarrassing if we didn’t make the playoffs next year. We are stacked with young talent. Fuck the draft picks, they are gone and we will work around that. I dont blame you for being pessimistic about this year but to be pessimistic about the future of our team is not fair to the quality young players we already have on our roster.
"We want to win. The Raider fans deserve it. The Raider players deserve it, even my organization deserves it. You have to win and you have to win with a vision for the Super Bowl. That's our passion here."--Al Davis
"Winning isn't everything, but wanting to win is."--Vince Lombardi
by Marcus Allen Krause on Nov 9, 2011 9:04 AM PST up reply actions
We do need some better safties
and at least one more actual linebacker and a new defensive coordinator.
We should be able to pull all that off with what we have left, plus we could trade some of our players for draft picks if need be, that is of course if it’s a good deal for us. Also I believe I heard that we will get some sort of compensation pick for something we lost, though I can’t remember what.
In other words, we’ll be fine.
"Now I know what your thinking, did he fire six shots or only five. Ive forgotten myself in all this excitement, but being that this is the 44 magnum, the most powerful handgun in the world and could blow your head clean off, you have to ask your question. Do I feel lucky? Well do ya punk!"
Dirty Harry Callahan
Exactly! im positive we are getting a 3rd for Nnamdi and still 2 more for Gallery and Miller, although those will probably be 5 or 6 rounders
We absolutely are fine for the future.
"We want to win. The Raider fans deserve it. The Raider players deserve it, even my organization deserves it. You have to win and you have to win with a vision for the Super Bowl. That's our passion here."--Al Davis
"Winning isn't everything, but wanting to win is."--Vince Lombardi
by Marcus Allen Krause on Nov 9, 2011 9:23 AM PST up reply actions
+1
"THE TIME TO WIN IS NOW" - Coach Hue Jackson
Raider Nation, all hand's on deck or get the hell off the ship! That's the way it's gonna be around here from now on! If a 7th & 5th round pick gets you Aaron Curry (a former 4th overall 1st rd. pick) instead of a couple of crap-shoots a year later, then fine and if dealing away a couple of first rounder's gets you a proven franchise quarterback like Carson Palmer and a legitimate shot at the playoffs, then great, you know why? Because your team is standing behind it's motto & legacy, "Just Win Baby!" and "Commitment to Excellence" instead of "Suck for Luck" and "Give Up". Imagine if you were a fan of a team that actually bought into that!?!
Cheers,
- Saint
by The MoonMan 804 on Nov 9, 2011 9:27 AM PST up reply actions
Like I said bud, was just having a negative attitude.
Usually I’ll just stay away from Raider stuff for 2-3 days. This time it was different, I wanted to express my distaste of our previous loss. I still have faith in this team. I like Carson, but I feel why pay more if we could of payed less. But as you stated we looked great when we made the trade standing at 4-2, but the fact we lose to a crappy Broncos team. Is Disheartening. So let’s see, maybe I’ll purchase that Crystal Ball that you were talking about on one of your posts.
i got u man, we all get those horrible feelings after a loss
We needed the qb now though, we couldn’t wait til next year to be able to pay less for one and still realistically expect to fight for the division this year. Even Kyle Orton or Vince Young would have taken a first rounder for us to get once we were in such a horrible bargaining position.
"We want to win. The Raider fans deserve it. The Raider players deserve it, even my organization deserves it. You have to win and you have to win with a vision for the Super Bowl. That's our passion here."--Al Davis
"Winning isn't everything, but wanting to win is."--Vince Lombardi
by Marcus Allen Krause on Nov 10, 2011 1:04 PM PST up reply actions
+1 I see the same thing man thats why I have hope for our future.
by SilvrnBlck forever on Nov 10, 2011 10:52 PM PST up reply actions
So far yes, the same result, but It's not over yet and there is still hope.
Where as with Boller the season would pretty much be over except for the losses to come and people would be panicking left and right if he was the QB. There is also next year and beyond with Palmer if we don’t get there this year, but there is still a chance we might, so Hue made this move trying to win now. Also D-Mac wasn’t hurt when the Palmer trade went down and I’m sure Hue wanted to lean heavily on him while Carson got up to speed, Hue hasn’t got any breaks either.
"Now I know what your thinking, did he fire six shots or only five. Ive forgotten myself in all this excitement, but being that this is the 44 magnum, the most powerful handgun in the world and could blow your head clean off, you have to ask your question. Do I feel lucky? Well do ya punk!"
Dirty Harry Callahan
Yea but if were talking about next year.
Than we could have made the Carson Palmer trade in the offseason, where he would have been worth significantly less. Instead we make a trade out of desperation and may end up getting Boller(losses) results if the defense continues to play like the shit. Instead we made the trade this year saying were gonna win right this second, not next year this year! Well?
I do realize that
and I’d like results as much as the next guy, but nobody knew D-Mac was going down and that the defense would play so poorly. The decision to bring in Carson was a desperate one no doubt, but it was either that or give up on the season and nobody would have been happy about that.
"Now I know what your thinking, did he fire six shots or only five. Ive forgotten myself in all this excitement, but being that this is the 44 magnum, the most powerful handgun in the world and could blow your head clean off, you have to ask your question. Do I feel lucky? Well do ya punk!"
Dirty Harry Callahan
What on earth did you want us to do?! Just give up in the middle of a division race?!
So what if we lose after making the trade, I am proud of us first going out and saying we want to win now and we are not going to give up. The trade was a statement of belief in the team and its something that we never would have done in the dark ages. We are tied for first place right now man!!! You want us to have Boller going right now?! You are so outraged because we have been losing since the trade but for fucks sake you should be happy we are trying! Not making that move would have been giving up on this year. You want to win this year, and we are trying to. If you have a crystal fucking ball go down to Hue and let him know the future, but since he didn’t have that luxery he made the best move he thought was available. Yes it sucks to not have the damn picks but Carson made passes that I literally have not ever seen from a Raider qb already! Nobody associated with this team has given up nor should they have! We all want to win this year and making that move gave them the best chance to do that. We were going to over pay for anybody we brought in, but we had to do it to win now. Just because we haven’t won yet doesn’t mean it was wrong to fucking try!
"We want to win. The Raider fans deserve it. The Raider players deserve it, even my organization deserves it. You have to win and you have to win with a vision for the Super Bowl. That's our passion here."--Al Davis
"Winning isn't everything, but wanting to win is."--Vince Lombardi
by Marcus Allen Krause on Nov 9, 2011 9:14 AM PST up reply actions
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
+1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000.99
"THE TIME TO WIN IS NOW" - Coach Hue Jackson
Raider Nation, all hand's on deck or get the hell off the ship! That's the way it's gonna be around here from now on! If a 7th & 5th round pick gets you Aaron Curry (a former 4th overall 1st rd. pick) instead of a couple of crap-shoots a year later, then fine and if dealing away a couple of first rounder's gets you a proven franchise quarterback like Carson Palmer and a legitimate shot at the playoffs, then great, you know why? Because your team is standing behind it's motto & legacy, "Just Win Baby!" and "Commitment to Excellence" instead of "Suck for Luck" and "Give Up". Imagine if you were a fan of a team that actually bought into that!?!
Cheers,
- Saint
by The MoonMan 804 on Nov 9, 2011 9:26 AM PST up reply actions
lol at the .99
"We want to win. The Raider fans deserve it. The Raider players deserve it, even my organization deserves it. You have to win and you have to win with a vision for the Super Bowl. That's our passion here."--Al Davis
"Winning isn't everything, but wanting to win is."--Vince Lombardi
by Marcus Allen Krause on Nov 9, 2011 9:27 AM PST up reply actions
No I was pessimistic than.. I had to do a few negative rants after the loss
All is fine. The sun is out. No cloud in the sky.
Oh and I'm not hating I Caraon
I like Carson, he made passes that Jason could of never made. Not hating on Jason, but Carson looked pretty damn good.
yeah but
My hopes are being destroyed since we just cant seem to get every party of the team working the right way… If it’s not our QB getting hurt, its DMC, or Boller, or Hue’s play calling or RoMac getting hurt, or the fact that the D seems to take a nap at halftime and don’t wake up till the game’s over, or the 20 thousand penalties per game, and then Hue’s press conferences saying it’s all his fault and he’ll get it fixed, which he apparently does for next week, but then something else fails…
I’m really trying to stay faithful here, I’m NOT ready to give up on those playoff hopes I had in the beg of this season, I guess we’ll just have to keep our fingers crossed for Hue to stop talking and start acting here…
I might be a lady but... "If something is said about the Raiders, I'm ready to go to war" - Jim Otto
by raiderette53 on Nov 8, 2011 11:29 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I know, it surely hasn't been easy to watch
and we haven’t had anything go our way as far as injuries go and with the defense sucking hard.
All we can hope is they do right the ship before it takes on so much water it sinks and right now it’s taking on water fast.
"Now I know what your thinking, did he fire six shots or only five. Ive forgotten myself in all this excitement, but being that this is the 44 magnum, the most powerful handgun in the world and could blow your head clean off, you have to ask your question. Do I feel lucky? Well do ya punk!"
Dirty Harry Callahan
Who's headin down to Diego?
Any of you guys heading down to qualcomm for TN game??
I go every year and last year I got to see them chargers run like roaches at the beg of 4th qtr…
Fingers crossed for the same story this time, very doubtful tho..
Regarding the draft picks that everybody is stressing over
Just remember, First Round Draft pick=
JaMarcus Russell (no, you’re not allowed to forget him)
Philip Buchanon
Robert Gallery
Fabian Washington
Derrick Gibson
Tyler Brayton
Napoleon Harris
And what team does he play for:
Nnamdi
And then the still trying to prove they’re worth a first round pick bunch:
Michael Huff
Rolando McClain
DHB
First round pick does not = Magic Wand
Okay so what about our past 4 years in the draft? The draft is the only reason why the Raiders are standing at 4-4. Not free agency, Not Richard Seymour. The past 4 years of drafting players.
I’m not saying the trade was bad, I’m saying the timing was bad. You can’t justify trading a first and second round pick by saying “oh the raiders were crappy at drafting 5 years ago”. Theres no logic behind that, just if Hue figured Carson would be the guy that could take us to the next level, than okay fine. But it’s not just a quarterback we need, were still an average team at this point in time.
What about the last 4 years?
One solid player drafted at #1. The bulk are still projects. The 2nd round has been better than the first, but still not amazing. Routt is good, not great. Miller gone. Mitchell, average. Howard, gone. Houston, good not great (yet).
But yeah, the draft is the reason we’re at 4-4 and not 6-2. If we did a good job drafting, those picks would be more valuable. Hue thinks we can make a run in the next couple of years, but apparently not with Campbell (personally I’m still inclined to disagree here), but it’s his call. In any event, it wasn’t going to be this year either way, and quite possibly not even next year in all honesty.
There is no logic in not doing anything at qb in the midde of a division race!!
Your talking about bad timing? How can making a move for a starting quality qb when we are tied for 1st in the division be bad timing?!
"We want to win. The Raider fans deserve it. The Raider players deserve it, even my organization deserves it. You have to win and you have to win with a vision for the Super Bowl. That's our passion here."--Al Davis
"Winning isn't everything, but wanting to win is."--Vince Lombardi
by Marcus Allen Krause on Nov 9, 2011 9:19 AM PST up reply actions
You have good reason to be
But really I think Raider fans need to focus on the positives and try not to dwell on the negatives. All hope is not lost. We don’t suck (even if it kind of looked like it on Sunday). We got a lot of young talent, so that even if Palmer didn’t pay off, they’ll be the foundation of this team for years. And we did beat a couple of tough teams in the Jets and Texans. Let’s not forget that. Both those teams are SB contenders if they play to their fullest capacity.
And let’s even consider the worse case scenario with the trade. Palmer never gives us what we need, gets seriously injured or gets old before we get to the big game. Those two high round picks are gone, squandered, and we’re still looking for a QB (maybe Pryor). If all that happens, is it the end of the Raiders as we know them? No. Because we still got that foundation.
Hue is making a big mistake in letting Palmer throw 35 times.
No doubt Palmer is rusty and no way shouldnt be slinging it like that. Bush is running well why abamdon the run when the Raiders were leading 24-14. It makes no sense, and the JC thing is not fair. The defense quit on him to. The defense also failed against NE when JC threw a couple of INT’s. So this stuff about JC being the leader is bull. Hue is the leader and he is making some strange playcalling.
Let me get this straight
You think the defense quit on Jason Campbell because he threw an interception? You do realize the games in which they “quit” were against two of the top offenses in the league, right? It has more to do with our defense being complete and utter garbage than players intentionally quitting on the quarterback for throwing an interception.
Your coach is a leader, but you also have captains/leaders on the field. Jason commanded the huddle and the players respected him. Hell, everyone on here was praising Seymour for getting the players together during the lockout. JC was the guy who organized things for the offense including letting receivers stay at his house to practice with him. You can say he isn’t the most talented/skilled quarterback in the league and I’d be inclined to agree, but you can’t say the team quit on him.
Why is everyone hung up on the offense?
The Raiders allowed 300 yards rushing! You will not win any games in the NFL giving up 300 yards on the ground. I’m not worried about the offense we have enough weapons, although Jackson’s behavior is questionable. The defense is in a world of stink. Seymour seems to get a personal foul penalty every game, the linebackers just disappeared on Sunday, and the game plan on D was dumb. Stop the run and force Tebow to pass – too obvious perhaps? We had two weeks to come up with a game plan and got this.
Thursday is going to be very ugly unless the D gets sorted out.
by Oceanside Raider on Nov 8, 2011 11:02 PM PST reply actions
Defense is by far the biggest concern
However if we go down and get a td to take a 31-14 lead everything about the end of that game changes. The defense lost the game against Denver, but the offense could have won it anyway. The Packers gave up 38 to SD but their offense still won it anyway.
"We want to win. The Raider fans deserve it. The Raider players deserve it, even my organization deserves it. You have to win and you have to win with a vision for the Super Bowl. That's our passion here."--Al Davis
"Winning isn't everything, but wanting to win is."--Vince Lombardi
by Marcus Allen Krause on Nov 9, 2011 9:32 AM PST up reply actions
All because of Aaron Rogers..........He is by far the best QB in the league right know, that GB offense is rolling...
DISCOUNT DOUBLE CHECK!!!!!!!
CAUTION: do not stair at this GIF. too long you might get dizzy : )
"THE TIME TO WIN IS NOW" - Coach Hue Jackson
Raider Nation, all hand's on deck or get the hell off the ship! That's the way it's gonna be around here from now on! If a 7th & 5th round pick gets you Aaron Curry (a former 4th overall 1st rd. pick) instead of a couple of crap-shoots a year later, then fine and if dealing away a couple of first rounder's gets you a proven franchise quarterback like Carson Palmer and a legitimate shot at the playoffs, then great, you know why? Because your team is standing behind it's motto & legacy, "Just Win Baby!" and "Commitment to Excellence" instead of "Suck for Luck" and "Give Up". Imagine if you were a fan of a team that actually bought into that!?!
Cheers,
- Saint
by The MoonMan 804 on Nov 9, 2011 10:24 AM PST up reply actions
lol i love that commercial, i didnt realize it was national i thought it was local
"We want to win. The Raider fans deserve it. The Raider players deserve it, even my organization deserves it. You have to win and you have to win with a vision for the Super Bowl. That's our passion here."--Al Davis
"Winning isn't everything, but wanting to win is."--Vince Lombardi
by Marcus Allen Krause on Nov 9, 2011 1:16 PM PST up reply actions
or have an epileptic seizure...
""The massive Raider Nation is beyond doubt the sleaziest and rudest and most sinister mob of thugs and wackos ever assembled."--Hunter S. Thompson
"In football, I root for the Oakland Raiders because they hire castoffs, outlaws, malcontents, and fuck -ups, they have lots of penalties, fights, and paybacks, and because Al Davis told the rest of the pig NFL owners to go get fucked. Someday, the Raiders will be strong again, and they will dip the ball in shit and shove it down the throats of the wholesome, white, heartland teams that pray together and don't deliver late hits." - George Carlin.
You can't really compare the Green Bay offense to ours, can you?
They are a finely tuned, well oiled machine that has worked together for awhile. We are a quart low on oil with a brand new camshaft with 7 pistons that are barely broken in and 1 that is low on compression.
There is no way we could have reasonably expected this offense (as it is) to go out and win that game for us with all that’s new right now, maybe in a couple more weeks when the timing between the receivers and Carson is better (Hopefully this week) then we’ll be able to shoot it out with the other team.
As it was, it was up to the defense to keep the Denver offense down (shouldn’t have been too hard a job) and let the “new look” Raider offense ease into their new circumstances, but the defense lets us down when we needed them most.
"Now I know what your thinking, did he fire six shots or only five. Ive forgotten myself in all this excitement, but being that this is the 44 magnum, the most powerful handgun in the world and could blow your head clean off, you have to ask your question. Do I feel lucky? Well do ya punk!"
Dirty Harry Callahan
Not comparing the offenses in the way you too it as
The comparison was simply one team that’s defense was not playing well enough that had an offense score enough to win to a team whose defense was playing poorly and their offense didn’t do enough to win.
Our offense had the lead 24-14, if they dont turn the ball over there and go down and score its a completely different ball game. Its on the defense that they sucked so bad and we lost but I dont think that takes the offense of the hook. The only thing that was going to give Denver an opportunity there was a turnover and our offense gave that to them. Carson played great, 330 yards and 3 tds proves to me that the offense was performing well enough to win this game if they kept it up. They did not. The defense lost this game but the offense was culpable too. Go down and score that drive and its 31-14. The offense was doing well and he just over threw that ball, if it had been on point who knows how that game ends. I refuse to let them off the hook when that particular drive was the turning point of the whole game. I dont care how long they’ve been together, they were playing well enough to win and then it all went to shit. Its on them too.
"We want to win. The Raider fans deserve it. The Raider players deserve it, even my organization deserves it. You have to win and you have to win with a vision for the Super Bowl. That's our passion here."--Al Davis
"Winning isn't everything, but wanting to win is."--Vince Lombardi
by Marcus Allen Krause on Nov 9, 2011 4:42 PM PST up reply actions
took*
"We want to win. The Raider fans deserve it. The Raider players deserve it, even my organization deserves it. You have to win and you have to win with a vision for the Super Bowl. That's our passion here."--Al Davis
"Winning isn't everything, but wanting to win is."--Vince Lombardi
by Marcus Allen Krause on Nov 9, 2011 4:43 PM PST up reply actions
Totally agree MAK ...
I stepped outside for a smoke on that particular drive, we were marching when I left, I was 100% confident in our marching down and putting up more points, and eventually winning the game at the point I went outside. I came back in a few minutes later to discover tie-ballgame, Donks kicking off. And I’m like WTFF just happened.
And everything went to shit from there. That INT WAS the turning point, just as the one against the Pats in the endzone was, even though it was much earlier in the game.
Defense is mostly to blame for this loss, but I don’t think that the O is ‘off the hook’, not at all. But I expected CP to make mistakes like that in a game like this, and you NEED as a team to be able to count on your D in these situations to NOT fucking fold up the show just because of something crappy happening on offense like that.
And our D has been guilty of being this way for YEARS AND YEARS AND YEARS NOW, that’s the really frustrating part about it.
With great teams, the Defense does … just the opposite in those situations.
by Brett J Valjalo on Nov 9, 2011 5:05 PM PST up reply actions
yeah i expected Palmer to make mistakes, but not for it to be the big game changing mistake.
"We want to win. The Raider fans deserve it. The Raider players deserve it, even my organization deserves it. You have to win and you have to win with a vision for the Super Bowl. That's our passion here."--Al Davis
"Winning isn't everything, but wanting to win is."--Vince Lombardi
by Marcus Allen Krause on Nov 9, 2011 7:44 PM PST up reply actions
Game changing
I would have said that was the McGahee TD run. The first one.
We were up 24-14 in the 3rd quarter. All the defense had to do was hang on for 1 more quarter, and we take this one.
that interception was the turning point without question in my mind but to each their own.
"We want to win. The Raider fans deserve it. The Raider players deserve it, even my organization deserves it. You have to win and you have to win with a vision for the Super Bowl. That's our passion here."--Al Davis
"Winning isn't everything, but wanting to win is."--Vince Lombardi
by Marcus Allen Krause on Nov 10, 2011 1:01 PM PST up reply actions
Some mistakes are game changing and some aren't
You just expected more out of the offense than I did at that point. It was Carson’s first full game after a very long layoff, with brand new team mates and a brand new playbook.
To me it has to be common knowledge in the locker room that a offense in the state that ours was in may not score many points and it’s up to the defense to hold down the other team while they (the offense) get a feel for what they can become. The defense did not and we lost.
So yes, the offense is culpable in this loss, but it should surprise no one that they were.
"Now I know what your thinking, did he fire six shots or only five. Ive forgotten myself in all this excitement, but being that this is the 44 magnum, the most powerful handgun in the world and could blow your head clean off, you have to ask your question. Do I feel lucky? Well do ya punk!"
Dirty Harry Callahan
yeah i definitely expected more than u did from them
However I think compiling a 24-14 lead by the 3rd quarter gave the defense the same expectations I had.
"We want to win. The Raider fans deserve it. The Raider players deserve it, even my organization deserves it. You have to win and you have to win with a vision for the Super Bowl. That's our passion here."--Al Davis
"Winning isn't everything, but wanting to win is."--Vince Lombardi
by Marcus Allen Krause on Nov 10, 2011 12:59 PM PST up reply actions
Yes, the offense scored what should have been enough points
and the defense didn’t do their job.
"Now I know what your thinking, did he fire six shots or only five. Ive forgotten myself in all this excitement, but being that this is the 44 magnum, the most powerful handgun in the world and could blow your head clean off, you have to ask your question. Do I feel lucky? Well do ya punk!"
Dirty Harry Callahan
i am not saying that the defense was less culpable than the offense, the defense lost that game
However you act like the offense did everything they could to win, they did not. Both were responsible for that loss, even if the defense was more responsible than the offense. The offense could have done better and could have avoided a major mistake that let the Broncos back into the game.
"We want to win. The Raider fans deserve it. The Raider players deserve it, even my organization deserves it. You have to win and you have to win with a vision for the Super Bowl. That's our passion here."--Al Davis
"Winning isn't everything, but wanting to win is."--Vince Lombardi
by Marcus Allen Krause on Nov 16, 2011 12:27 PM PST up reply actions
More to the point
We’ve proven against Buffalo and NE that we can’t win a shootout, especially when we’re missing our star RB and a group of inexperienced receivers. The games we won this year, we did so when the D held the opponent to 24 points or less (except KC which was an aberration).
True, but your talking about a different offense in Buff. & NE
with a different QB. Maybe now with Carson at the helm we can begin to score more points as he gets more comfortable in this offense, take the pressure off this obviously weak and injured defense and win these shoot out type games.
"Now I know what your thinking, did he fire six shots or only five. Ive forgotten myself in all this excitement, but being that this is the 44 magnum, the most powerful handgun in the world and could blow your head clean off, you have to ask your question. Do I feel lucky? Well do ya punk!"
Dirty Harry Callahan
Attn Ex and Current Military
Cork posits the theory that the D simply ran out of gas against that relentless running attack, which makes sense, but is not a good sign. Clearly more strength and conditioning issues if that’s the case, but the solution is simple:
Hire an ex-Marine drill instructor in the off season to whip these guys into shape in training camp. We have ex-military people in here, what say you?
They wouldn't have been so tired
if they had stayed in their gaps and not had to chase Tebag and MaGahee all over the field.
Our defense was supposed to be the strength of this team and hold the other team down while our offense figured it’s self out, and that was when JC was the QB. Now that it’s Carsons show we need the defense to step up, but they couldn’t. If they can’t tomorrow ,we’ll be in for a world of hurt.
"Now I know what your thinking, did he fire six shots or only five. Ive forgotten myself in all this excitement, but being that this is the 44 magnum, the most powerful handgun in the world and could blow your head clean off, you have to ask your question. Do I feel lucky? Well do ya punk!"
Dirty Harry Callahan
Question for everybody
It’s just past the midway point of the season, and there’s been much discussion about a certain DC in town. So what do you all say, Marsh or Bresnahan?
Chuck B pissed me off, but him & Hue called a good game against San Diego
"THE TIME TO WIN IS NOW" - Coach Hue Jackson
Raider Nation, all hand's on deck or get the hell off the ship! That's the way it's gonna be around here from now on! If a 7th & 5th round pick gets you Aaron Curry (a former 4th overall 1st rd. pick) instead of a couple of crap-shoots a year later, then fine and if dealing away a couple of first rounder's gets you a proven franchise quarterback like Carson Palmer and a legitimate shot at the playoffs, then great, you know why? Because our team is standing behind it's motto & legacy, "Just Win Baby!" and "Commitment to Excellence" instead of "Suck for Luck" and "Give Up". Imagine if you were a fan of a team that actually bought into that!?!
Cheers,
- Saint
by The MoonMan 804 on Nov 11, 2011 7:44 AM PST up reply actions
As I said...There is NO need to Panic!!!!
by Rodney Sacramento on Nov 11, 2011 7:17 AM PST reply actions
If you read all the threads after the BRONCOS look at how everone was panicking,,,,,, now read there comments after the San Diego game
hilarious
"THE TIME TO WIN IS NOW" - Coach Hue Jackson
Raider Nation, all hand's on deck or get the hell off the ship! That's the way it's gonna be around here from now on! If a 7th & 5th round pick gets you Aaron Curry (a former 4th overall 1st rd. pick) instead of a couple of crap-shoots a year later, then fine and if dealing away a couple of first rounder's gets you a proven franchise quarterback like Carson Palmer and a legitimate shot at the playoffs, then great, you know why? Because our team is standing behind it's motto & legacy, "Just Win Baby!" and "Commitment to Excellence" instead of "Suck for Luck" and "Give Up". Imagine if you were a fan of a team that actually bought into that!?!
Cheers,
- Saint
by The MoonMan 804 on Nov 11, 2011 7:43 AM PST up reply actions
MoonMan we are definately on the same page....
by Rodney Sacramento on Nov 11, 2011 5:44 PM PST reply actions
hahahaha
yea, i agree….
"THE TIME TO WIN IS NOW" - Coach Hue Jackson
Raider Nation, all hand's on deck or get the hell off the ship! That's the way it's gonna be around here from now on! If a 7th & 5th round pick gets you Aaron Curry (a former 4th overall 1st rd. pick) instead of a couple of crap-shoots a year later, then fine and if dealing away a couple of first rounder's gets you a proven franchise quarterback like Carson Palmer and a legitimate shot at the playoffs, then great, you know why? Because our team is standing behind it's motto & legacy, "Just Win Baby!" and "Commitment to Excellence" instead of "Suck for Luck" and "Give Up". Imagine if you were a fan of a team that actually bought into that!?!
Cheers,
- Saint
by The MoonMan 804 on Nov 11, 2011 10:15 PM PST up reply actions
We just have to get used to it
It’s a tough schedule, and it’s going to be stressful all the way to the end. Then you add in our injury problems, well, I imagine there will be much more freaking out to be done before this season is over.
Right now my only problem with Jackson
is the unnecessary risk taking. 4th and 1, field goal range…..kick the field goal. That almost cost us a game against the Browns.
Again, @ KC, field goal range, 4th and 3(or something like that) going for it…cost us a shut out.
SD game, fake punt for a deep ball in the first quarter…go for a screen or shorter pass for the first down. Risks are fine, and some are necessary. Unnecessary risks that can hold very detrimental results are not necessary.
Win, Lose, or Tie, Raiders til I die!
yea
"THE TIME TO WIN IS NOW" - Coach Hue Jackson
Raider Nation, all hand's on deck or get the hell off the ship! That's the way it's gonna be around here from now on! If a 7th & 5th round pick gets you Aaron Curry (a former 4th overall 1st rd. pick) instead of a couple of crap-shoots a year later, then fine and if dealing away a couple of first rounder's gets you a proven franchise quarterback like Carson Palmer and a legitimate shot at the playoffs, then great, you know why? Because our team is standing behind it's motto & legacy, "Just Win Baby!" and "Commitment to Excellence" instead of "Suck for Luck" and "Give Up". Imagine if you were a fan of a team that actually bought into that!?!
Cheers,
- Saint
by The MoonMan 804 on Nov 12, 2011 9:51 AM PST up reply actions
Injured jano vs SD
cant blame him for going for it there.
by RyanTheRaider on Nov 12, 2011 8:22 PM PST up reply actions
You can blame him, however, for apparently not knowing the rules ...
You have to think he either forgot or simply didn’t know that a deep play that goes to the ‘gunner’ is borderline impossible to pull off, since the defender(s) have free reign to molest them the entire way down the field. His reaction after the play said it all … he obviously didn’t know that rule.
Twas a rather glaring ‘rookie mistake’, and a clear sign of being overly aggressive/risky with the play-calling.
At this point, w/as much trickery of that nature as we’ve tried this season, given the field position, and Jano being hurt … there’s NO WAY that SD wasn’t fully ready for a fake punt attempt on that play. I think we’d have been much better served simply lining up on offense as usual, and just going for it.
IMHO, that particular play perfectly illustrated Mikesd1981’s point about Hue.
by Brett J Valjalo on Nov 14, 2011 9:41 AM PST up reply actions
Also let's look at the other possibility
That when Hue interviewed with the Niners, he got hired in which case we either would have had to continue on with Cable, minus a good OC, or hire probably another scrub to be HC.
If the Niners chose Jackson its highly likely we would have gotten Harbaugh.
"We want to win. The Raider fans deserve it. The Raider players deserve it, even my organization deserves it. You have to win and you have to win with a vision for the Super Bowl. That's our passion here."--Al Davis
"Winning isn't everything, but wanting to win is."--Vince Lombardi
by Marcus Allen Krause on Nov 14, 2011 1:09 PM PST up reply actions
He was a coach for Al, there was a prior relationship that ended on a good note and he wouldnt have to move his family
The Raiders have an image Harbaugh would have embraced and ran with. We have a fire in this organization that he respects and we are a team he already had a history with.
"We want to win. The Raider fans deserve it. The Raider players deserve it, even my organization deserves it. You have to win and you have to win with a vision for the Super Bowl. That's our passion here."--Al Davis
"Winning isn't everything, but wanting to win is."--Vince Lombardi
by Marcus Allen Krause on Nov 16, 2011 12:29 PM PST up reply actions
No way Al gives Harbaugh
the power he was seeking. Al would still want the last word on every decision and Harbaugh wasn’t in a position that he had to out up with that.
"Now I know what your thinking, did he fire six shots or only five. Ive forgotten myself in all this excitement, but being that this is the 44 magnum, the most powerful handgun in the world and could blow your head clean off, you have to ask your question. Do I feel lucky? Well do ya punk!"
Dirty Harry Callahan
For the reasons i stated above and....
As for your point on Al, Harbaugh already had a working relationship with him. He would have come in expecting to coach this team for multiple years and im sorry but I think it was pretty safe to say he would have considered the chance of Al passing away as an opportunity to have more control here than anywhere else. He preferred to stay in the Bay Area and if San Fran didn’t give him the job we would have and that would have been the least traumatic move for his family. You honestly think he would have preferred the Dolphins job than the mistique of the Raiders and the chance to stay in the Bay Area?
"We want to win. The Raider fans deserve it. The Raider players deserve it, even my organization deserves it. You have to win and you have to win with a vision for the Super Bowl. That's our passion here."--Al Davis
"Winning isn't everything, but wanting to win is."--Vince Lombardi
by Marcus Allen Krause on Nov 16, 2011 12:34 PM PST up reply actions
Heh
We come full circle back to this post:
http://www.silverandblackpride.com/2011/1/6/1919761/jim-harbaugh-is-not-coming-to-oakland-will-hue-jackson-be-als-choice
Considering that post says hes going to the Dolphins i dont get the point of posting the link now
There is absolutely no way to know if he would have or not because it would have depended on Hue getting the job in SF. Since Hue was completely Als Guy the moment Cable got the axe there is absolutely no way to know if Harbaugh would have come here. My opinion is he would have because aside from SF it would have been the most logical place for him. Maybe not, but its pointless to continue arguing about a theoretical event that didn’t happen and can’t be proven either way.
"We want to win. The Raider fans deserve it. The Raider players deserve it, even my organization deserves it. You have to win and you have to win with a vision for the Super Bowl. That's our passion here."--Al Davis
"Winning isn't everything, but wanting to win is."--Vince Lombardi
by Marcus Allen Krause on Nov 16, 2011 9:51 PM PST up reply actions
your right and i apologize, discuss would have been a better word
I must have been in a bad mood and apologize
"We want to win. The Raider fans deserve it. The Raider players deserve it, even my organization deserves it. You have to win and you have to win with a vision for the Super Bowl. That's our passion here."--Al Davis
"Winning isn't everything, but wanting to win is."--Vince Lombardi
by Marcus Allen Krause on Nov 20, 2011 9:35 PM PST up reply actions
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