Broncos vs. Raiders: Bewilderment Reigns in Transition Phase
by Rich Langford on Nov 7, 2011 10:01 PM PST
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The Raiders lost because their defense had a Buffalo flashback and forgot the game was actually two halves. Sure, the interceptions and the punt returns contributed, but it didn't matter. You play defense like that for an entire half and you are going to lose. It was disgusting. It needs to be fixed, or the Raiders may as well forfeit the rest of their games.
There really isn't much to say about it. It was a team wide failure. The one thing I will point out is the fact that this D was playing at a pretty high level, and that came to a screeching halt when Rolando McClain was forced to the sideline with his ankle injury.
Maybe there is something to his field captain status after all.
What puzzled me more about this game was Hue's personnel packages on offense. They made no sense. It has left me in a state of bewilderment thinking something must have gone on behind the scenes. But the two players that have me scratching my head the most are DHB and Boss. Jump over for more....
After weeks of being the focal point of the passing offense, and finally producing, DHB was a non issue the last game. He barely played.
The emergence of Jacoby Ford is understandable. He is healthy and finding his rhythm. But how did Denarius Moore and Chaz Schilens jump ahead of DHB in the depth chart?
Denarius and Chaz bring a lot of potential and promise. I have no problem with them playing. I just don't understand what changed to push DHB down the depth chart.
The other big question is where was Kevin Boss? He wasn't even considered in the passing game, and he wasn't on the field much to offer his blocking skills. I understand Boss' not being a huge part of the passing game, but I don't get taking his blocking off the field.
There is a lot of moving parts to this offense. I am going to assume has a vision and a master plan. I am excited to see it play out. None of that is going to matter though if the defense doesn't pull their head out of their collective ass.
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"Just Win Baby..." - Coach Al Davis
1929 - FOREVER
by Al Davis *Commitment to Excellence* on Nov 7, 2011 10:11 PM PST reply actions
+3
"THE TIME TO WIN IS NOW" - Coach Hue Jackson
Raider Nation, all hand's on deck or get the hell off the ship! That's the way it's gonna be around here from now on! If a 7th & 5th round pick gets you Aaron Curry (a former 4th overall 1st rd. pick) instead of a couple of crap-shoots a year later, then fine and if dealing away a couple of first rounder's gets you a proven franchise quarterback like Carson Palmer and a legitimate shot at the playoffs, then great, you know why? Because your team is standing behind it's motto & legacy, "Just Win Baby!" and "Commitment to Excellence" instead of "Suck for Luck" and "Give Up". Imagine if you were a fan of a team that actually bought into that!?!
Cheers,
- Saint
by The MoonMan 804 on Nov 7, 2011 10:37 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I AGREE WITH YOU RICH
If something positive does not happen fast, this season will once again be a wash and we will stuck waiting 7 months to see something positive and as a fan of the RAIDERS in San Diego its going to be a long horrible time to wait.
by SanDiegoRaidersfan on Nov 7, 2011 10:14 PM PST reply actions
good post
There is plenty time left to fix the problems. Carson will get better. The only obstacle is the Raiders remaining schedule is brutal as hell. Chicago is looking good, the Vikings are playing tough under Ponder, plus games against GB and Detroit. Still, you guys can win the division.
Schilens plays in the slot
Moore is the guy who took most of DHBs snaps.
Moore should be 85
he’s the closest thing to Ochocinco, i think thats why Palmer was throwing it to him so comfortably. They’re adapting to Palmer now, not so much the other way around.
TBH I always though Rolando McClain was at best a mediocre LB.
Wow… WOW! I couldn’t of been more wrong he’s the heart and soul of the defense. I started to wonder why our defense was starting to look so crummy during the 2nd half. I saw no Rolo, only Daryl Blacksugar.
I have obviously made my thoughts pretty clear on the state of the team right now
I think I am pretty much ready to put it in the rear view and focus on San Diego, I think if anything is going to humble hue and get his ass focused on getting this team ready to play and stop fucking around with the team and trying to prove how much fucking smarter he is than everyone then this week is it.
I still have confidence in the talent on this team feel that we are in with a shot against the Chargers so will see what happens, one thing I am sure about is that anther insipid performance and some of us are going to burn the fucking place DOWN.
PS. Can someone please check on SOB, he hasn’t posted since the game and I am getting concerned his head may have literally exploded at some point late in the last quarter.
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That's funny, I was just thinking about him driving to work this AM
Thinking it was odd he’s not posted since the game at all …
by Brett J Valjalo on Nov 9, 2011 8:24 PM PST up reply actions
Yes, I agree we need SOB's voice of reason during these times.
Normally he’s the one who puts an end to all the panic talk about Hue.
"Bad is Back, thanks be to the Antichrist" - George Atkinson
ummmm
are we talking about the same SOB?
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you must be joking
"THE TIME TO WIN IS NOW" - Coach Hue Jackson
Raider Nation, all hand's on deck or get the hell off the ship! That's the way it's gonna be around here from now on! If a 7th & 5th round pick gets you Aaron Curry (a former 4th overall 1st rd. pick) instead of a couple of crap-shoots a year later, then fine and if dealing away a couple of first rounder's gets you a proven franchise quarterback like Carson Palmer and a legitimate shot at the playoffs, then great, you know why? Because your team is standing behind it's motto & legacy, "Just Win Baby!" and "Commitment to Excellence" instead of "Suck for Luck" and "Give Up". Imagine if you were a fan of a team that actually bought into that!?!
Cheers,
- Saint
by The MoonMan 804 on Nov 8, 2011 5:51 AM PST up reply actions
LMAO
In WHOEVER GIVES US THE WIN We Trust
by NFLanalyzerfromhome on Nov 8, 2011 12:34 PM PST up reply actions
{{crickets}}
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"Just Win Baby..." - Coach Al Davis
1929 - FOREVER
by Al Davis *Commitment to Excellence* on Nov 8, 2011 3:37 PM PST up reply actions
One thing though that's been killing me
is Hue sad due to the packages they used is why Boss wasn’t on the field. But why was Myers on the field instead?. AAARRRRGGGHHH (Charlie Brown voice)
"Bad is Back, thanks be to the Antichrist" - George Atkinson
RIP Joe Frazier, you were a champion and a warrior.....
by Rodney Sacramento on Nov 8, 2011 2:16 AM PST reply actions
+1
"THE TIME TO WIN IS NOW" - Coach Hue Jackson
Raider Nation, all hand's on deck or get the hell off the ship! That's the way it's gonna be around here from now on! If a 7th & 5th round pick gets you Aaron Curry (a former 4th overall 1st rd. pick) instead of a couple of crap-shoots a year later, then fine and if dealing away a couple of first rounder's gets you a proven franchise quarterback like Carson Palmer and a legitimate shot at the playoffs, then great, you know why? Because your team is standing behind it's motto & legacy, "Just Win Baby!" and "Commitment to Excellence" instead of "Suck for Luck" and "Give Up". Imagine if you were a fan of a team that actually bought into that!?!
Cheers,
- Saint
by The MoonMan 804 on Nov 8, 2011 6:46 AM PST up reply actions
Defense was awful
It appeared that the secondary was in complete disarray, with too many plays where people didn’t know their assignments; lots of blown coverages and guys in trail position immediately. Add to that the terrible tackling, bonehead penalties, and poor LB play, and it was no wonder that we made Tebow look good.
On offense, there were certainly glimpses of what we can look forward to, but I felt that the play calling was inconsistent at best. Too many runs into the the middle of the line, too few carries for Bush, no DHB, no play action, Jones not used well… a litany of problems, especially coming out of the break.
The team did not look ready for this game, which I find inexcusable. The coaching staff failed to game plan effectively, and the players failed to execute what was there. With so much on the line, I was disgusted with the entire team.
I do find it interesting that so many blitzes were called; I still say that I believe that Al definitely had a hand in how conservative defensive calls were…
The berserker is without honor; a true warrior knows and practices restraint
Chuck needs to go back to the UFL
My prediction: Chuck will be the first ex-Bengal to go (end of the season). Hue has to place the blame somewhere. The focus will then shift to 2012 and Carson getting familiar with all of his receivers. After week 3 of the season and an 0-3 start Raiders nation will be so upset that they will be calling for a new QB and new head coach. Hue will be fired in week 7 when the Raiders head into their bye week and Carson will be benched. TJ will be cut and the Raiders will look to rebuild. They just won’t have a 2nd round draft pick in 2013 to help their cause.
Who Dey Baby!
by BrothersOfThunder on Nov 8, 2011 5:58 AM PST up reply actions
GET THE FUCK OUTTA HERE!!
Only thing that’s going to happen is we lose 2 1st round picks because we will be in the playoffs!
"THE TIME TO WIN IS NOW" - Coach Hue Jackson
Raider Nation, all hand's on deck or get the hell off the ship! That's the way it's gonna be around here from now on! If a 7th & 5th round pick gets you Aaron Curry (a former 4th overall 1st rd. pick) instead of a couple of crap-shoots a year later, then fine and if dealing away a couple of first rounder's gets you a proven franchise quarterback like Carson Palmer and a legitimate shot at the playoffs, then great, you know why? Because your team is standing behind it's motto & legacy, "Just Win Baby!" and "Commitment to Excellence" instead of "Suck for Luck" and "Give Up". Imagine if you were a fan of a team that actually bought into that!?!
Cheers,
- Saint
by The MoonMan 804 on Nov 8, 2011 6:02 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
last time I checked Chargers are on a 3 game losing streak
and your hope lies in #17 Phillip Rivers
14 INTs
7 fumbles (3 lost………OT in KC)
19 sacks for 110yds Lost
“worst day ever”
by Toolshed1485 on Nov 8, 2011 7:43 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
The Bungholes
My Prediction: The Bengals will still be The Bengals and will never win anything. Again.
by TheColdStareofDaveStewart on Nov 8, 2011 10:39 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
MoonMan ignore the non-sense...With that said we all know Carson is a work in progress...
I think it was a mistake to not start our regular receiver package, Housh doesn’t know the playbook yet, and the Raiders are NOT done yet!!! This is a huge game for both the Chargers and the Raiders and we both know that. So Thursday will tell us a whole lot. Defensively we collapsed and at the end of the day, defense wins games….
by Rodney Sacramento on Nov 8, 2011 6:18 AM PST reply actions
yeah, you right... i'm just tired of everyone rocking the "ship" hopefully Rich & St. can use there editorial prowess to calm the waters around here.... all this premature panicking that's going on is making me naeseous
"THE TIME TO WIN IS NOW" - Coach Hue Jackson
Raider Nation, all hand's on deck or get the hell off the ship! That's the way it's gonna be around here from now on! If a 7th & 5th round pick gets you Aaron Curry (a former 4th overall 1st rd. pick) instead of a couple of crap-shoots a year later, then fine and if dealing away a couple of first rounder's gets you a proven franchise quarterback like Carson Palmer and a legitimate shot at the playoffs, then great, you know why? Because your team is standing behind it's motto & legacy, "Just Win Baby!" and "Commitment to Excellence" instead of "Suck for Luck" and "Give Up". Imagine if you were a fan of a team that actually bought into that!?!
Cheers,
- Saint
by The MoonMan 804 on Nov 8, 2011 6:45 AM PST up reply actions
Tell me Moonman
when will you panic? If they lose this game? or this and the next or will it take until they are mathematically eliminated?
Besides I don’t think that pointing out that our defense played like shit and that some of Hues decisions are questionable means people are panicking, it just means we’re pissed off and we don’t understand the inconsistency we see with this team.
"Now I know what your thinking, did he fire six shots or only five. Ive forgotten myself in all this excitement, but being that this is the 44 magnum, the most powerful handgun in the world and could blow your head clean off, you have to ask your question. Do I feel lucky? Well do ya punk!"
Dirty Harry Callahan
There should never be panic by a fan. PERIOD.
You are a fan, not a player, coach, or employee who has a stake in the success of the team.
Enjoy the game, if they don’t win, you look forward.
That’s the way I see it.
then you are the exception and not the rule
most of us have more of a stake in it than that, which is why we are here blogging about it.
Maybe not a monetary stake but an emotional stake, but a stake none the less
Besides to look forward I have to look at the performances past and they don’t look to good.
There are obviously different opinions of what panic is and I don’t see the assessment of our teams loss as panic.
"Now I know what your thinking, did he fire six shots or only five. Ive forgotten myself in all this excitement, but being that this is the 44 magnum, the most powerful handgun in the world and could blow your head clean off, you have to ask your question. Do I feel lucky? Well do ya punk!"
Dirty Harry Callahan
Isnt a Fan someone who rides the emotion of there team winning or loosing?
When I support a team it’s because I want them to win. You must be one of those people Al referenced as being happy with an 8-8 record.
Loosing and playing the way we have the last two games gives everyone something to think about and how are we going to put everything together.
Reading both responses, I don’t think I conveyed nor understood what your definition of panic is/was.
I’m referring to the doom and gloom panic people who just flood the boards after every loss. I rushed my response based on the word PANIC, and didn’t rationalize the views you (rambis) were stating in terms of what panic is.
I definitely ride the emotion, and 8-8 is not acceptable, I was referring to the extreme panic that others show.
Apologies if I muddied the water.
I think the extreme panic comes from the fear of a downward spiral
having endured so many years of loosing and feeling pretty good at 4-2 and now we are 4-4. Its a sucker punch to the gut. Plus, I think most of us have been Raider fans for awhile and through the good and the bad we still bleed silver and black. Its just we want to be on top again now rather than later.
Agreed. I fear the downward spiral, but I am also realistic in what I see that we have been caught the last 2 games in really bad moments. Boller dooming us against KC, and Palmer using that time to knock some rust off and get some game speed. Broncos taking advantage of us without McClain manning the middle. With McClain we hands down win the Broncos game. Blackstock doesn’t know how to call out assignments or command that middle.
IMO, McClain is a bigger piece to our success Thursday rather than DMC. Bush will do fine, and he’ll find the lanes. Palmer will have another good game of passing, with a couple mistakes again. The defense will have the right man running the middle and he’ll make sure we eliminate the minimal run game they do have. Gates isn’t Gates this year with his dominate ability, but we’ll still need to man him tight, but it is something that can be done finally. Rivers is off in his throws, and we’ll take advantage of that.
its the Raider roller-coaster.. lets enjoy the ride
I think it is really on Hue now to make this team play the way they should. And though we have some injuries, even an average person can be motivated to play about there means.
Get back to what makes us successful, running the ball through and over teams. We have a QB that can make some passes JC couldn’t but I don’t think we will have as much success throwing vs running.
Game on Hue
Totally agree on McClain
if our defense can take advantage of Rivers short comings and stop whatever run they can muster up we’ll be Ok, but if the defense is McClainless and plays like they did against Denver, I don’t hold out much hope.
Realistically, this offense should be able to put up 27- 35 points against SD, if the defense can hold them under 27, we can get a win
"Now I know what your thinking, did he fire six shots or only five. Ive forgotten myself in all this excitement, but being that this is the 44 magnum, the most powerful handgun in the world and could blow your head clean off, you have to ask your question. Do I feel lucky? Well do ya punk!"
Dirty Harry Callahan
the possibility that our defense could completely collapse and be humiliated by a college offense
due to the loss of one player who wasn’t really playing all that well in the first place, is a reason for pessimism, not optimism…
I have no idea where you’re getting this confidence from about Thursday, but I hope you’re right. The product being shat onto the field in the last two games does not inspire any reason to think we “should” win any game.
That isn’t doom and gloom. It’s an objectively reached, supportable observation. As of 11/8/11, we suck. Can we right the ship? Yes. WILL we? Who knows. Hue isn’t helping with his boneheaded personnel moves.
If you can’t see the difference in the D when McClain mans the middle versus Blackstock in the middle, then you have no business commenting on football other than to throw your pom poms up and down.
He’s not a massive playmaker, I agree, he isn’t top 10 MLB, but he does know how to assign and recognize and run the middle of this defense.
This
Blacktock cannot call the game the way McClain does. he is not as physical as McClain is, and McClain certainly has better awareness.
Losing one player usually doesn’t do much. When its your captain in the middle of the defense though, it usually does a lot.
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
thanks for the personal attacks
this
the difference in the D when McClain mans the middle versus Blackstock in the middle
and this
the possibility that our defense could completely collapse and be humiliated by a college offense due to the loss of one player who wasn’t really playing all that well in the first place
aren’t the same thing
mcclain’s absence doesn’t explain the putrid coaching – or the biting on every play fake – or the OLB’s and DE’s failure to maintain outside contain ONE GODDAMN TIME – or Huff doing his Stu Schweigert impression – or our All-Pro DT giving away a huge penalty per half….
you think everything’s going to be fine with this shitheap of a defense if McClain comes back? And I’m the pom pom waver? Gimme a fucking break chief.
or the biting on every play fake – or the OLB’s and DE’s failure to maintain outside contain ONE GODDAMN TIME
When you have a guy calling out assignments who is clearly inferior, yes, that does fall back to the MLB. You can’t maintain the outside when you end up on the wrong assignments and fall into what they want.
The coaching and play calling was a problem, I agree, but don’t discount McClain’s importance to this Defense. We don’t need him to be Ray Lewis, we need him to control his Defense — which he has been doing.
it isn't on McClain to describe basic assignments and football common sense
everyone in the stadium knew what denver was running. everyone has a job to do even if helen keller is the one calling out the MLB signals.
The buck stops with Bresnahan – and Hue – for being horribly outcoached and outscored in the second half AGAIN.
I disagree. Yes, Bresnahan is a horrible DC, but it isn’t so easy to read entire offense when you are on the d-line or outside LB. The MLB is coached specifically what to look for and how to relay what he’s seeing to his team. Blackstock was, and is not, a starting MLB. They were holding out hope for McClain to be ready, which means Blackstock wasn’t getting full time with starters to get accustomed to what he needed to do.
Everyone in the stadium MAY have known what they were doing, but they have the benefit of not being IN the game and having to deal with what is passed down and what is put forth by their defensive leaders nor the intensity and speed of the game.
While I have been highly critical of the offensive playcalling
I think Bresh is taking a little too much heat for the defensive collapse. I don’t think play calling and scheme were the problem it was execution. All the defensive players have said that they practiced exactly what denver were doing all week and just didnt do it. The game plan worked in the first half but just had a conniption after half time. Obviously there is still plenty of blame on the DC we shouldn’t let the players off one player in particular was Moss who was absolutely putrid holding the edge in the second half. Also the defensive penalties are also boneheaded mistakes by players who lost focus.
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by Ozraider on Nov 8, 2011 3:36 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Complete breakdowns in scheme execution are a coaching failure
We aren’t talking about missed tackles and dropped balls here. A systemic lack of completing simple assignments. After the first 5 or 10 times something has to be done to address it, and if not, thats how coaches get fired.
by lchristmas on Nov 8, 2011 7:25 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
True
The issue is that for some reason we did an ok job in the first half and capitulated in the second that leads me to believe there is more to it than being a scheme issue. Don’t get me wrong as I said there is plenty of blame to go to coaching but we had players out there who were just not executing their assignments.
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by Ozraider on Nov 8, 2011 7:52 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
I think there is a valid concern to panic, maybe not to level of the sky is falling
but we have a tough stretch coming up. Hue has to step it up. He has made some big mistakes with personnel changes, game plan, play calling and mostly preparing this team to win now.
Also you can’t tell me a person who has been a head coach since training camp and through week 9 can not get a handle on his team regarding penalties. That’s embarrassing. Its either you are not getting the respect from the players to represent the way you want the game to be played or you really don’t care. If thats the case we will continue to shoot ourselves in the foot.
Yeah I've been trying to hold onto positivity, but with back to back ROMPS
Something is definitely going on in that locker room. I also base alot of my feeling on the team by watching press conferences and lockeroom interviews (www.csnbayarea.com great videos here), and IMO these guys look, sound, and feel off. The “light” in their eyes from earlier in the season is gone. Alot of their responses to tough questions sound disingenuous. AND especially after this last game, the players focus (i.e. Seymour saying people need to just do their jobs) seems to be on the blame game. I mean that coming from seymour say alot about possible in-fighting on the defensive side of the ball.
I also have noticed a complete collapse in Hue’s composure. He seems to just be responding with the same old same old, doesn’t seem to be excited, motivated or taking a “we can fix this attitude” also another thing I noticed that he didn’t say this week is “that he was dissapointed, but not discouraged,” instead he simply said “dissapointed would be an understatement” to mean that means he’s discouraged. And if he’s discouraged, then this team is discouraged, and discourgaed teams do what the defense did in the 2nd half “give up” and “roll over” anyone who can’t see that this team FUCKING QUIT on sunday is in complete denial. What happened to the drive, mentality, focus, and confidence we had earlier in the season? Is it all DMC and JCampbell? I mean were they the glue?
by Toolshed1485 on Nov 8, 2011 7:53 AM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Well said
"Now I know what your thinking, did he fire six shots or only five. Ive forgotten myself in all this excitement, but being that this is the 44 magnum, the most powerful handgun in the world and could blow your head clean off, you have to ask your question. Do I feel lucky? Well do ya punk!"
Dirty Harry Callahan
Winning
makes all of this disappear. You know why there aren’t any rumors of grumbling in the Niner locker room? The Packers? Because they are winning their games. We are on a 2-game skid and of course there’s gonna be stuff like this popping up. Some of it probably coming from players frustrated but also some of it from reporters just throwing shit on the wall just because.
The good coaches in this league know how to keep their emotions in check, especially during the losses. If he was to come out guns blazing and saying he is coming for scalps after loses then I would be more worried. Never let em see you sweat because if you do, your players will definitely see that. Then you’re really screwed.
by TheColdStareofDaveStewart on Nov 8, 2011 10:54 AM PST up reply actions
well heres how I see it...
I’m a raider fan who lives in New Orleans, so I get to see the news and see alot of reports about Sean Payton and the Saints. The thing is, one thing he always talks about is body language. To be a champion you have to carry yourself like one, and goes from the field to the lockeroom to the press conference to your home life.
The thing is, earlier in this year, we were poised and acting like champions. The attitude, the composure on the field, the “snap shot” one gets emotionally from players after a game talking to press in the lockeroom, even after we dropped the buffalo game and New England game, the players still had that look of confidence in their eyes. To me, and hopefully I’m wrong, its not there right now. I really do hope this is a skid, and perhaps Im just venting and ill hopefully be with my foot in my mouth come thurs night. But from the outside looking in, something has changed emotionally and its been present since Houston and the loss of Al D. Hou and Cle wins, while still wins, were the begginings of whatever were seeing right now.
by Toolshed1485 on Nov 8, 2011 11:05 AM PST up reply actions
Rookie coach
Maybe Hue is starting to learn some things? It’s only the mid-point, let the man learn from his errors. Who knows maybe he’s picked up on what us as the fans and the league has been saying. “Hue needs to tone it down!” “He’s getting too cute!” Hopefully, someone like Madden has gotten in his ear and gave him some pointers. As far as emotions go, look at how much our team/organization has went thru this year. A friggin maelstrom of emotions and it’s only week 10! It’s weird, but it’s felt like every game since Al’s passing it’s been a “Must Win Game” and the whole league has been watching us. It’s long season so let’s just let things play out and see where they land.
by TheColdStareofDaveStewart on Nov 8, 2011 11:15 AM PST up reply actions
+1
"THE TIME TO WIN IS NOW" - Coach Hue Jackson
Raider Nation, all hand's on deck or get the hell off the ship! That's the way it's gonna be around here from now on! If a 7th & 5th round pick gets you Aaron Curry (a former 4th overall 1st rd. pick) instead of a couple of crap-shoots a year later, then fine and if dealing away a couple of first rounder's gets you a proven franchise quarterback like Carson Palmer and a legitimate shot at the playoffs, then great, you know why? Because your team is standing behind it's motto & legacy, "Just Win Baby!" and "Commitment to Excellence" instead of "Suck for Luck" and "Give Up". Imagine if you were a fan of a team that actually bought into that!?!
Cheers,
- Saint
by The MoonMan 804 on Nov 8, 2011 11:44 AM PST up reply actions
Letting things play out is all we can really do,
It’s not like we can affect Hues decisions or those of the front office.
We just give our opinions, play armchair GM/coach and hope for the best.
"Now I know what your thinking, did he fire six shots or only five. Ive forgotten myself in all this excitement, but being that this is the 44 magnum, the most powerful handgun in the world and could blow your head clean off, you have to ask your question. Do I feel lucky? Well do ya punk!"
Dirty Harry Callahan
yup
use the action button and rec, folks. We gotta start doing it more often. Make it green.
"tough times call for perseverance and a tough mind. I have been told that I can't play football before. We all know what happened with that. #neverquit"--Mark Herzlich
""The massive Raider Nation is beyond doubt the sleaziest and rudest and most sinister mob of thugs and wackos ever assembled."--Hunter S. Thompson
Gruden
When he was here he too could never get the penalty thing cleaned up. So I don’t know what it is. Is it lack of coaching? Is it the zebras still hating on us? Is it the fact that we’re the friggin Raiders and we have always valued physical tough guys over technically sound smart guys? Maybe it’s combination of all of that.
by TheColdStareofDaveStewart on Nov 8, 2011 10:47 AM PST up reply actions
i think your third option would be the only thing that HASNT
changed over the 50+ years of the organization. Physically tough, more so leaning towards brutal, is and has been the format for being a raider. Especially on defense. That might be it exactly, the persona, the attitude, that is a raider, is physical, is emotional, is brutal, punishing, aggressive.
But in this new league and speed of the game and cost of turnovers & penalties the margin for error is getting smaller and smaller for the by-products of your typical “raider”
by Toolshed1485 on Nov 8, 2011 10:59 AM PST up reply actions
I think so too
I love everything AL DAIVS most like everyone here. But let’s be honest, the way our team (mainly the Defense) is structured needs to change a bit. Still value the speed and strength but let’s also hold technique and smarts in the same regard. The move into the modern era of football has to start somewhere.
by TheColdStareofDaveStewart on Nov 8, 2011 11:08 AM PST up reply actions
Hue is being exposed Raider Nation,plain and simple.
Now that Mr. Davis is gone Hue is asserting himself and promoting HIS agenda – and it AIN’T WORKING gang ! T.J. Housh in there over receivers that KNOW the fucking playbook because Hue wants to show us what a great move he made? No Kevin boss ,our SUPPOSED number 1 TE? Hue calling all the plays AND making trade and Player decisions?
Let’s stop right there. 1: We need a big time General Manager -PERIOD. 2: We need an offensive coordinator PERIOD.
Jackson ISN’T experienced enough to do it all ,and maybe not smart enough. Throw the ego factor in and you have the train wreck we have been on the last 2 weeks.Go back to the last 2 years. Cable called his plays 2 yrs ago and flopped. Mr. Davis brought in Hue to be the O.C. and we improve to 8-8. Cable ,for all his faults ,was able to focus on a bigger picture and it helped. It’s the same scenario right now with Hue. It seems like since Mr. Davis died that Hue and Jr. are enjoying their “Liberation” and are out of control. YES , there were (are) needs to address , and they were. Whether they were done so correctly will be exposed at the end of the season.
Penalties. THAT Nation falls on the Coach(s) and begins with DISCIPLINE! When you have a Coach that has too much on his plate and will not delegate authority these are the type of problems that arise . I’m not saying Jackson isn’t capable of being a good Coach ,or getting this team under control – he just needs to focus on Coaching, and remain within his abilities .
“A man HAS to know his limitations” “Dirty” Harry Calahan R.F.F.R.
GODDDD I watching Hue's Presser right now
and he’s attributing NOT playing DHB and K. Boss to “Situational Football” what a crock of shit! The “Situation” is Winning, and you win by “putting the ball in your playmakers hands” he is so full of shit. DHB in the past 4 weeks
Patriots 4 rec 115yrds
Texans 7 rec 99yrds
Browns 6 rec 82yrds
KC 5 rec 89yrds
not to mention he’s our best blocking WR, you mean to tell me that he sat down, with our staff mind you, and deceided that out best chances for beating Den were to use personnel packages that left him out of the game and put TJ Housh with one week of practice in the game.
now boss,
Brandon Meyers Stats entire year 7 rec 49yrds
vs.
Kevin Boss 8 rec 160yrds
Hue: “Hmmmmm, I think we should give Meyers a shot this week, he seems to give us the best chance to win, and I prefer to start guys who haven’t played on a superbowl winning team” ……better watch out seymour before you know it Mason Brodine might “give us the best chance to win” or prove to be the best situational football deceision. Then you can go sit on the bench next to Kevin Boss and you guys can talk about how cool it is that you both have superbowl rings…..
I am so pissed off right now I could puke on my keyboard
My theory
I just think that the receivers you saw out their this past Sunday were the ones who acclimated to Palmer the best/fastest. They were the ones Palmer was comfortable with the most at the time, thus that corps of WRs gave us the best chance to win. It’s no knock on DHB or Boss I’m sure because both guys from what I’ve read/seen come of as true Pros. They maybe just need a little more work with Palmer, and no one is saying that won’t ever gel with him. Look at DHB, it too us this long for him to be a capable WR in this league. I love the kid and think he has heart but he’s not the quickest study in terms of catching the rock. And he still needs work at attacking the ball more vs. body catching it.
by TheColdStareofDaveStewart on Nov 8, 2011 11:02 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
What I saw was dog shit...
my only hope is it was a rest ploy because of the short week, My gut says different!
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Really?
Dog shit from the receivers and Palmer? The only dog shit i saw were the dog shit I saw Willis McGahee and Tebow scrap off on the the Defense.
by TheColdStareofDaveStewart on Nov 8, 2011 11:19 AM PST up reply actions
Carson was ok at best showed some signs
3 picks yes 1 was tipped again…. I thought there was no fire in this team and some of the guys who can make plays were not used at all. So far we are playing a million a pick or 2 million a td… game plan was dog shit by the offense… just a pathetic display of effort on the D’s part
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The offense
Did there job and gave your 24 points against an offensively challenged team. Defense fucked us.
by TheColdStareofDaveStewart on Nov 8, 2011 11:36 AM PST up reply actions
I beleive our d was giving up 25 a game proir to this game
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I blame all 3 phases O D ST and coaching
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Carson and the offense scored us enough points to win that game
especially considering the short amount of time they’ve had to get up to speed. The defense on the other hand, had an epic failure. Being out of position, shitty tackling, spotty pressure on the QB and stupid penalties cost us that game.
"Now I know what your thinking, did he fire six shots or only five. Ive forgotten myself in all this excitement, but being that this is the 44 magnum, the most powerful handgun in the world and could blow your head clean off, you have to ask your question. Do I feel lucky? Well do ya punk!"
Dirty Harry Callahan
+1
"THE TIME TO WIN IS NOW" - Coach Hue Jackson
Raider Nation, all hand's on deck or get the hell off the ship! That's the way it's gonna be around here from now on! If a 7th & 5th round pick gets you Aaron Curry (a former 4th overall 1st rd. pick) instead of a couple of crap-shoots a year later, then fine and if dealing away a couple of first rounder's gets you a proven franchise quarterback like Carson Palmer and a legitimate shot at the playoffs, then great, you know why? Because your team is standing behind it's motto & legacy, "Just Win Baby!" and "Commitment to Excellence" instead of "Suck for Luck" and "Give Up". Imagine if you were a fan of a team that actually bought into that!?!
Cheers,
- Saint
by The MoonMan 804 on Nov 8, 2011 1:02 PM PST up reply actions
No they didn't thats why we lost....
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There is never enough offense!
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Really?
considering the lack of time and familiarity with the receivers Carson put up 24 points. The last few years we’d have killed for 24 points, as a matter of fact that is the number of points I used to say we needed to score and the defense could take care of the rest.
The defense clearly lost this game for us.
In a game where everyone knows the offense may not be totally up to speed, it is incumbent on the defense and obvious to the whole world that they need to step up big. Instead they laid the biggest egg of all on the day we needed them most.
"Now I know what your thinking, did he fire six shots or only five. Ive forgotten myself in all this excitement, but being that this is the 44 magnum, the most powerful handgun in the world and could blow your head clean off, you have to ask your question. Do I feel lucky? Well do ya punk!"
Dirty Harry Callahan
Really so the 39 and 59 we dropped on Denver last year had no impact on the outome.... we only needed 24
If the D averages giving up 25+ a game no way will 24 be enough you will looses a lot more than you win period IMO
Right now we give up 27 a game… so how will 24 be enough… We all knew the d was suspect so this is no surprise…
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Last year was last year
what was the defense averaging then?, how much did they allow Denver to score?
This year for whatever reason the “D” stinks, but to ask an offense missing it’s key player in McFadden and with a new QB in Palmer to score you 28 or more points in it’s first time out isn’t realistic and they didn’t.
That game was the defenses to lose and they did.
Hopefully this week with a little more time under their belts and some cohesion between QB and receivers the offense can light up the score board they way we need them to, because our defense is defenseless.
Maybe if Rolando comes back this week, at least the linebackers might be in the right gaps, but he can’t help with the complete lack of tackling ability we have or the stupid penalties we commit.
"Now I know what your thinking, did he fire six shots or only five. Ive forgotten myself in all this excitement, but being that this is the 44 magnum, the most powerful handgun in the world and could blow your head clean off, you have to ask your question. Do I feel lucky? Well do ya punk!"
Dirty Harry Callahan
You win as a team and you loose as a team...
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Cliches are great and all
and in the stats it says the “Raiders” lost, but I don’t think there is much doubt as to which part of the team didn’t hold up it’s end of the bargain. You can add special teams to the list also… special my ass.
"Now I know what your thinking, did he fire six shots or only five. Ive forgotten myself in all this excitement, but being that this is the 44 magnum, the most powerful handgun in the world and could blow your head clean off, you have to ask your question. Do I feel lucky? Well do ya punk!"
Dirty Harry Callahan
agreed but the passing of Al D. lit a fire in DHB
and he’s been on a streak, not to mention palmer connected with him on a few very exciting throws against KC. I just don’t understand how you pull the plug on a guy who’s been on a streak. I mean now come thurs, it’ll basicaly be like DHB had 2 bye weeks, and I predict he’ll look flat. Bad personnel move IMO, as for boss whether or not he gets targeted on passes I really care less about, HES A MONSTER BLOCKER, which helps Carson and our run game. sorry, not budging on this one ROOKIE PERSONEL MISTAKE by Hue & Co., hopefully the last of which we’ll ever see.
by Toolshed1485 on Nov 8, 2011 11:12 AM PST up reply actions
I will agree that Boss needs to be there
almost every down. The fact that Brandon Myers is still part of the gameplan is puzzling. I’d rather see Boss and Ausberry out there if you’re gonna be asking for your TE to catch a pass.
by TheColdStareofDaveStewart on Nov 8, 2011 11:21 AM PST up reply actions
Aus was inactive...
Meyers might be the 5th best TE on this team…
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Watched the game on rewind
Your FB #45 was great. Game should have been tied at halftime, but for him.
Palmer looked very good too, except for the testing Champ Bailey part. USC grads aren’t the smartest, I suppose.
Maya: "What are your first impressions of Denver?"
Mozgov: "I must break you..."
Quite simply, we have the big-play passing offense that uses our receivers' talents
Hue (I hope) is trying to see what fits Palmer the best. With DMC back this team will have insane explosiveness. The problem is getting past SD for a confidence booster – presumably without him.
I agree man
Once this offense comes together it’s going to be a sight to see. Heck if a rusty Palmer could throw 3 TD’s and over 300 yards, ignoring the interceptions, then what could this offense achieve with more time? It’s going to be fun, that’s for sure.
yeah McFadden Injury is starting to seem like its alot more serious than
initially suggested. today, when asked about McFadden, Hue just was like we’ll see where he is. to me that means no McFadden again, ugh
I certainly looks serious
But they want the opponents to have to prepare as if he’s going to play. So they arent going to tell us much.
Its a strange injury, and you have to wonder why he has so many foot problems.
big play passing offense would have to include DHB and K.Boss as targets
instead we bench Boss and DHB, I dont know if Im just too pissed right now but I think hues playing favorites
in fact I don't even know if its favorites at this point
it seems more like he’s trying to prove that his bengal acquisitions are justifiable. WINNING is all that matters hue. I am defeinitely excited about TJ being on this team. But to bench DHB whose been on fire the past 4 weeks and put tj in there is just plain dumb
Situational football
The idea was to ease Palmer in by using TJ. And it would have been enough if not for our D. That said, Chaz and not DHB should have been benched.
Why TJ?
It seemed every time TJ was in CP was forcing throws his way. Its one thing if TJ was open but he wasn’t and the donkey’s d keyed in on that.
Just predictable on those 3rd downs and TJ was going to get the ball thrown his way.
Hue is forcing TJ into a situation where he is ruining the chemistry with the receivers CP should being building a rapport with DHB and Boss.
Palmer knows TJ
That’s why we brought in TJ. Its going to take a long time to really get the timeing down with the other guys but Palmer and TJ know each other. We knew Palmer was going to have his struggles but its still better than rolling with Boller.
TJ isnt the problem, he’s part of the solution.
Being slow and not getting open
shouldn’t dictate a reason just because CP knows TJ. If TJ is in and the defense know’s the ball is going his way they will continue to shut him down. CP/TJ just isnt the answer and we keep treating it like it was Brady/Welker.
It looked like Carson did bond with Marcel, Ford, Shilens and Moore
Now they need to get the timing down.
Apparently Boss and DHB didn’t work their way into the sets that Carson likes to run. On Sunday, I consistently witnessed Carson Palmer make throws that only good quarterbacks make.
The throws to Reece, Housh and Ford were sick. There was certainly some rust to knock off, but, I’d be on the receivers to get into Carson’s rhythm instead of the other way around. Once they get a feel for his tempo, they will learn how to hit the open spot and flash him. He will hit your hands.
Palmer’s decision to get the ball to Bush was made in a split second and the ball was on Bush in a second.
Moore, Reece, Boss, Ford, Hagan (Unfortunately Gone), Schilens and TJ are good at finding those open spaces and I have no idea why Boss was not utilized, but, with so many weapons, it is difficult to get everyone the ball and it is possible tha he was taken out of the 4 or 5 plays where his number was called.
I’s almost ready to write about the Denver and SD games.
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by Raymond St. Martin (Saint) on Nov 8, 2011 2:41 PM PST up reply actions
It's been long while
since we had someone wearing a Silver and Black jersey flickin’ the ball around like that this past Sunday. I had goosebumps. How some folks in the Nation don’t recognize and appreciate that level of skill at the QB position is amazing to me.
by TheColdStareofDaveStewart on Nov 8, 2011 3:26 PM PST up reply actions
As much as DHB has improved, he's not perfect.
The jump ball he missed in the end zone really should have been caught.
that was a tough catch even for the best WRs in football
He was hella covered and the ball, which he almost caught mind you, was sandwiched between him and the defender in full stride. I was more impressed on how he save the INT that might have insued right after by tackling the defender who almost had possesion of the ball
yeah he did especially when you get 1 throw all day it just makes it stand out more...
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Can anyone tell me
if our mighty head coach reads this website and our comments, because i really think he needs to.
by SanDiegoRaidersfan on Nov 8, 2011 8:54 AM PST reply actions
Hue needs to settle down and not get greedy.
He’s trying things out. As much as Jason fitted into our previous scheme as a game manager, Palmer is an entirely different type of QB, with far better capabilities. I just hope he gets everything ironed out. If we beat SD – and with the way Phyllis is playing, anything is possible – then the season will be back on track and we’ll have a shot at the division.
Nice post
The biggest problems I had with the offense were DHB and Boss’s lack of involvement. I think Hue was being genuine when he said it was due to personnel packaging, but that is no excuse for leaving your best players off the field. That being said, without DHB and Boss we were able to move the ball in the passing game with relative consistency, which bodes well for us. But get your best players on the field!
The other problem with the O that I had was D-Moore getting 14 targets with only 4 catches. I think as Carson said in the presser it was due to the packages and play calling, but I feel Moore has been a little too inconsistent lately to be throwing so many passes his way.
My squabbles asside, the offense did enough to win the game, the D needs to look in the mirror and decide who they are.
The grass.
That fucking grass killed us. At least 3 times Moore alone slipped on it, and Housh missed a possible catch due to that too. If not for the grass we’d have been up 24-7 or 31-7 at the half.
Did you see all the slipping?
Carson’s first pick was due to Moore slipping. He was throwing where the WR should be but wasn’t because they looked like cows on ice early.
Yeah you are right
The grass killed D-Moore and Housh on a few occasions. But I am still not comfortable seeing him get so many balls thrown his way. I might be making a big deal out of nothing, but 12 passes thrown his way is more than twice what any other receive saw. I am just not sure about that decision, you feel me?
you also have to remember d moore stayed back and practiced with carson
aver the bye. Maybe carson thinks he should be a #1 receiver. Who knows maybe he can, and plus carson might be a little comforatble with him because of the extra practice
they all did except for Hagan
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was just comenting on the wr's
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Right
Cuz Boss had a concussion. So very unlikely he got a much reps, if any with Carson during the bye.
by TheColdStareofDaveStewart on Nov 8, 2011 11:33 AM PST up reply actions
as for d moore, I dont know
but there was this one play like a streak with a quick break to the sideline that Palmer tried to force like 2-3 times early in the 1st quarter, I was so nervous and the route almost got picked a few times. It almost looked like carson and d moore are trying to work something out , but haven;t quite gotten the timing down.
This might be why Moore played instead of DHB
For the long sideline routes. DHB still needs to work on those. They have to simplify the playbook for Palmer.
So when in the chefs game and only dhb was making cathes that was a fluke?
Just stupid game plan
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Palmer Was Unfinmilar With Anyone That 1st Game But Had A Conection With "DHB"...
“DHB” was also one of the 1st to stay and work with Palmer…So likely there was another issue here other than some stupid favoritism crap…After all “DHB” has been the primary target for weeks while Hue was calling the plays Right???
Possible with only 3 days between games Hue wanted to save some players for the more important game against “SD”???
Or as suggested by "UglyOne""DHB" still has a few things to work on???
hes also been drawing flags that is now part of the game...
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TARGETS
One thing I have noticed quite a few times on this board is that many of you relate a players TARGETS with a play being called FOR THEM. This is not true. A play has multiple OPTIONS/TARGETS, the person who gets the throw is suppose to be the one who presents himself to complete the play. Sometimes you will get a QB who focuses on only one TARGET during said play, but don’t confuse TARGETS with plays being called specifically for a person.
With Palmer being new, there will be favorites simply because when he looks at a new play, he’ll find the target that he is most comfortable throwing to, and that has a route that he feels he can feed the ball to effectively.
right. Carson's a qb who reads the coverages first, then chooses who's his best option on the fly according to who looks to be beating their guy or zone
he’s definitely rusty at it, but it’s amazing that he’s doing it as well as he is with just under two weeks practicing, and most of one was without the team because of a bye week.
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that said, Carson did make reference to Moore being designated the X in all the three wide sets
and the X will often be the guy. I’m not exactly understanding why so many are upset. I remember in preseason everyone was ready to fire Hue for not making Denarius the de facto number one guy for his potential alone.
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In a 3 Receiver set, he SHOULD be the X. Of all receivers, he is the one who has the explosiveness to make more happen after the catch.
Cut that out.
DHB should be the X period.
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by NFLanalyzerfromhome on Nov 8, 2011 3:19 PM PST up reply actions
Good post. I think Champ Bailey said it all about not playing DHB
…particulalry puzzling when you consider his previous form. It seems to me the DHB is a serious confidence player and I hope Hue hasn’t underminded that. Hopefully he will come back big against the Chargers.
I might take this week off from football.
After Sunday, I can’t really stand even the thought of potentially watching back to back to back division losses. And I’m finding it hard to believe the team that gave up 38 points to an atrocious Denver team will do much better against a better (though still overrated) Chargers.
Too many years of letdowns has really put me in a funk with regards to the Raiders right now.
I feel the same way.
Dammit.
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I Didn't Read Threw All The Comment 1st So May Have Alreadybeen Said???
Re: Personnel selection….
We play 2 games in a 4 day span…It’s very highly possible that Hue had this in mind when he didn’t play some players as much while trying to save them for what was to be a much more important game figuring this one would be easy…Had the “D” upheld it’s end that would have been the case and we wouldn’t be questioning why Hue did what Hue elected to do….
Now as to all the stupid talk about some Mutiny taking place in the locker room:
Shove That Up Your Ass!!!…Stop Digesting The Vomit Of Damn "Mediot"s Or Their Stupid Ass Clones!!!
THIS:
– Didn’t seem to be a lot of chemistry issues in the locker room, although there was a Profootballtalk.co report which said players had begun wonder about Jackson in light of a Saturday night team meeting in which he said he was already lining up free agents for those who didn’t do their jobs.
Checked in privately with one player about it and got a blank, bewildered expression as if he had zero idea what I could be talking about. Not saying it didn’t happen, but I would suggest to be a little bit skeptical about unsourced stories done from a distance.
It’s midseason, a little early for even the Raiders to be coming apart at the seams.
We’ll know soon enough if the Raiders are tuning out Hue based based on their play. Both in the Denver post game and on Monday, Jackson has been calmer, more reasonable, a little more restrained. Most good coaches take that tact with their teams in times of trouble rather than going scorched earth.
When the guy at the top panics, the team will surely follow.
+1
Winning makes all this shit disappear. Rumors coming out of the Niners locker room? Steelers? Packers? why? Because they’re winning. And really all this is is “shit” by a bigshot national media guy thrown out their who has no idea what’s even going on daily in the locker room. If one of the local beat guys like Cork, McDonald or Guiterez reported it, then I’d be concerned.
by TheColdStareofDaveStewart on Nov 8, 2011 11:28 AM PST up reply actions
I don't buy into the locket room turmoil at all either
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by Ozraider on Nov 8, 2011 1:42 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
+1,000,000,000,000,000,000
"THE TIME TO WIN IS NOW" - Coach Hue Jackson
Raider Nation, all hand's on deck or get the hell off the ship! That's the way it's gonna be around here from now on! If a 7th & 5th round pick gets you Aaron Curry (a former 4th overall 1st rd. pick) instead of a couple of crap-shoots a year later, then fine and if dealing away a couple of first rounder's gets you a proven franchise quarterback like Carson Palmer and a legitimate shot at the playoffs, then great, you know why? Because your team is standing behind it's motto & legacy, "Just Win Baby!" and "Commitment to Excellence" instead of "Suck for Luck" and "Give Up". Imagine if you were a fan of a team that actually bought into that!?!
Cheers,
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by The MoonMan 804 on Nov 8, 2011 11:02 AM PST up reply actions
Panty, I don't listen to the mediots
I watch their interviews/press conferences and deceide for myself. I watch how the players respond to certain questions, how they react, how they stand. Their expressions and reactions can give key “tells” to their emotional state about his team. This coupled with the declining play of the past four games, yes four, not two, have led me to feel this way.
by Toolshed1485 on Nov 8, 2011 11:26 AM PST up reply actions
The Declining Play And Mounting Injuries!!!,,,Could There Be Some Related Issue There???
Not to mention the emotional roller-coaster this team has been on with the passing of Me Davis…There are just far too many contributing factors to try to read too much into what can be seen from an interview…
injuries are definitely an issue, but this offense could have
Dominated the scoreboard if hue wasn’t trying desperately to make TJ have a day whilst DHB and boss watch from the sidelines going, “hmm. ok. guess thats how were gonna win?”, not to mention if he would have tried to actively run more often. Hue was inneffective at utilizing his available offensive weapons, and instead forced palmer to throw the ball over 30 times. I mean seriously, and Bush still almost put up 100yrds on the ground. A complete abandonement of the run.
by Toolshed1485 on Nov 8, 2011 11:35 AM PST up reply actions
+1
"THE TIME TO WIN IS NOW" - Coach Hue Jackson
Raider Nation, all hand's on deck or get the hell off the ship! That's the way it's gonna be around here from now on! If a 7th & 5th round pick gets you Aaron Curry (a former 4th overall 1st rd. pick) instead of a couple of crap-shoots a year later, then fine and if dealing away a couple of first rounder's gets you a proven franchise quarterback like Carson Palmer and a legitimate shot at the playoffs, then great, you know why? Because your team is standing behind it's motto & legacy, "Just Win Baby!" and "Commitment to Excellence" instead of "Suck for Luck" and "Give Up". Imagine if you were a fan of a team that actually bought into that!?!
Cheers,
- Saint
by The MoonMan 804 on Nov 8, 2011 11:36 AM PST up reply actions
you put your playmakers on the sideline while your offense stalls in the 3rd-4th qtr
you lose the respect and trust of those players. again not budging on this one Hue Jackson loss to Den for awful, horrible, attrocious personel/packaging decision. Injuries or not, pathetic defense or not, we had the weapons (on the sideline) to ourscore Den and win this game.
by Toolshed1485 on Nov 8, 2011 11:37 AM PST up reply actions
1st year Coaches / GM's are destined to make a few mistakes.... it should have been expected...... all thats left to do is reevaluate and learn from your mistakes...
Hue wants to win without a doubt… Playing favorites is a quick way to lose, and im sure he knows that..
"THE TIME TO WIN IS NOW" - Coach Hue Jackson
Raider Nation, all hand's on deck or get the hell off the ship! That's the way it's gonna be around here from now on! If a 7th & 5th round pick gets you Aaron Curry (a former 4th overall 1st rd. pick) instead of a couple of crap-shoots a year later, then fine and if dealing away a couple of first rounder's gets you a proven franchise quarterback like Carson Palmer and a legitimate shot at the playoffs, then great, you know why? Because your team is standing behind it's motto & legacy, "Just Win Baby!" and "Commitment to Excellence" instead of "Suck for Luck" and "Give Up". Imagine if you were a fan of a team that actually bought into that!?!
Cheers,
- Saint
by The MoonMan 804 on Nov 8, 2011 11:41 AM PST up reply actions
DHB riding the pine while TJ comes off the street to take a huge number of snaps
Indefensible
by lchristmas on Nov 8, 2011 7:28 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
?
Heyward-Bey : 23 plays, 10 run, 12 pass + (1 kneel down)
Houshmandzadeh : 20 plays, 1 run, 17 pass + (1 fumble snap, 1 penalty)
Darius Heyward-Bey : 23 Plays, 1 Target, 0 Receptions
TJ Houshmandzadeh : 20 Plays, 4 Targets, 1 Reception, 28 yds
how about maybe he wasn’t open enough or in the right place for the coverages for Carson’s liking? In on lots of run plays where he’s our best option? I don’t know, but he played more snaps anyways. TJ is likely going to get worked in that way.
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I didn't realize the numbers were that close but I will stand by the substance of my statement
you have to get the ball to your playmakers. DHB has shown he is a playmaker for us and the coaching failed in that regard.
I’d argue that this is more relevant: DHB 23 snaps out of a total of 63 (?) offensive snaps? 12 “pass play” snaps out of 37?
That’s ridiculous. DHB has shown this year that he needs to be on the field and when he gets the ball he is dangerous.
I'd have to agree. There is the matter of somehow working TJ in, if indeed he'll be a contributor
but I’m with you in that we had the golden opportunity to win the game and blew the shot, perhaps due to sacrificing keeping our playmakers out there instead of giving their reps and targets to others.
If it continues I’m certain Hue would face a lot of scrutiny, especially if we continued to lose as a result. I will say that the passing game in the first half never looked so dangerous. Good to see the chemistry Carson’s developing with Ford and Reece. I’m thinking we’ll see DHB a lot more this game. Boss as well.
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Well Here's Another Thought: 30 Times And How many Pass Plays Did Palmer Have???
How many times did the “O” have to recirculate the same play for Palmer and for Bush because he ain’t no “D-Mac”…Than the “DC” starts to recognition that and their “D” is ready for our plays…Thus our “O” loses some effectiveness as seen in the 2nd half…
Bush had 75 yards at half time and only ended up with 19 carries!
If Palmer didnt’ have that many plays then why the fuck did we throw 35 times and run 21 WHEN WE HAD THE FUCKING LEAD!, and Bush knows they playbook he has been in the system for 2 years.
Sorry PR you are high on enthusiasm low and actual football IQ.
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It really is infuriating.
The play calling hasn’t made much sense at all these last few games. Jackson has quickly been losing a lot of favor with me. I’m hopeful that he’ll get it back together, but right now I’m not too high on the guy.
96 yards on 19 carries
is over 5 yards per carry… Seems pretty effective to me. If we had kept running Bush and mixed in some play action passes, we’d have run a lot more time off the clock and helped our already lame and tired defense stay off the field.
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Most Of That Was The 1st Half...2nd Half Production Was Down...
NOT just because there were less run plays…
Exactly, that's why you mix in some playaction passes
it keeps the opposition from stacking the box on us, like they were and opens the run back up.
You don’t just abandon the run.
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Bush was having an awesome game
Until hue decided to go away from the run the only reason I can think of is that he was desperate for Carson to be the star so he could laud over everyone how smart he is,
Your justifications are nonsensical
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by Ozraider on Nov 8, 2011 1:10 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
the run plays started to be stuffed
running the same plays again and again will do that
instead of changing it up, going with some screens and PA’s, just abandoned the run altogether. A complete coaching failure.
bush was running through HUGE holes in the 1st half – several of his 15 yard runs would have been 70 yard TDs by DMac. Not hating on Bush. He did what he’s good at. But Darren doesn things that very few can.
Absolutely
Instead of changing up what we were doing in the run game we completely we basically abandoned it. We also had the option if using Taiwan Jones in more of a Run Dmc way but for some reason he only got 2 carries. There is no excuse what so ever for the run pass ratio that we ended up with.
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by Ozraider on Nov 8, 2011 1:47 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Your insistance that anyone criticizing what is going on with the team is just listening to the 'mediot' spin
is freaking annoying stupid and insulting.
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If you can't see that there are serious problems with this team right now you are a fucking idiot
And if Hue did ‘rest’ key players against Denver then that is a perfect illustration of his arrogance.
Quite frankly I am finding you’re stupidity over the last couple of week pretty damn annoying at the moment, get your head out of your ass.
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So I am the delusional one
Because after two of the worst losses in memory at home against less talented divisional opponents in which for anyone who knows anything about X’s and O’s can see obvious WTF coaching descisions I am saying there is something wrong with the team and you who is preaching rainbows and lollipops is the rational thinking one?
You may be happy to be fed shit and like it but it’s not good enough in my book.
Nobody wants to see this turned around more than I and as I have said repeatedly I think they can do it but to say there are not obvious problems right now is completely insane.
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by Ozraider on Nov 8, 2011 1:15 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
I have not posted anything whatsoever promoting any type of locker room mutiny
More shit that doesn’t stick. I have made specific comments about specific elements of the game.
If I am wrong about anything I have actually said I am happy to listen and debate but all you seem to do is post ‘everything is fine’ and ‘you are just listening to the media’ which are devoid of any substance or real analysis and in turn contributing nothing.
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by Ozraider on Nov 8, 2011 6:29 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
And I Don't Give A Rats Fuckin Ass How Damn Anoyed You Are!!!
You were pimping losing before the “KC” n “Donkey” games when we were 4-n-2…Bad Negative Vibes Is What Takes Us Down!!!
I'd say it was an ineffective defense
rather than any “Bad vibes” that cost us the last game.
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If anything is bringing us down it’s the Negative Vibe when we were 4-n-2!!!
Although I don't recall his actual statements
I can say that we were a weak 4-2 and though the Jets and Texans wins were awesome, the writing was on the wall that things could go bad as they have. Poor defensive showings in Buffalo and in the Cleveland game, then we lose Campbell and have all sorts of upheaval in personnel and now we seem to have lost D-Mac for awhile. All that adds up to trouble as we’ve seen. Now we’ve lost two divisional games in a row and this week once again is a must win.
Pointing out back then that what has come to fruition now, could happen isn’t bad vibes it’s honest assessment of the team at the time.
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What the hell are you talking about
I was not predicting losing before the KC and Denver games at all, I was promoting caution before Denver and wad proved right! You were acting like a 13 year old with your stupid donkey pictures and ended up looking like a moron. I was concerned about Hue’s attitude and demeanor and presto, right again.
I thought you didn’t believe in ‘negative or positive vibes’ you are all over the place buddy doing nothing more than throwing shit against a wall and unfortunately for you nothing is sticking.
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by Ozraider on Nov 8, 2011 1:06 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
As you may remember
I have traditionally been one of the biggest Kool-aid drinkers on this blog, but you are in utter denial if you can’t at least admit there are problems.
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by Ozraider on Nov 8, 2011 1:19 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
What Freakin Problems???...That "Mediot" Gas That Your Pimping???
Of course there’s problems…We lost…That Blitz happy “D” sucked…But I’m not going to swallow your damn “Mutiny” in the club house or the rest of that “Shitcan” Hue “BS”!!!
I have made it very clear that I so not believe there is any type of locker room problem at all
I have also said that I believe this can be turned around and I don’t think Hue should be fired right now. Your conclusion that myself and the majority of the rest of us with the same concerns are just going off things heard from the media is just incorrect and lazy.
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by Ozraider on Nov 8, 2011 6:18 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Indeed.
Our concerns are justified and don’t stem from some rumors about what’s going on in the locker room, but rather from the craptacular performance the D put forth against a terrible team in a game where they desperately needed to deliver.
We’ve got some tough games coming up, we have injuries all over the place (including our star RB), and QB still trying to adjust. We needed our defense to step up and take control of a game for once this season. They failed miserably. That’s why a lot of us are concerned. Because if they can’t handle the Broncos, how are they going to handle any other team we face?
Negative vibes haven’t been the issue here. They’ve played to nothing but sold out crowds for the first time in years. The fan base had never been more alive. They just haven’t played well.
I’m hopeful that they will turn it around on Thursday, but if they don’t then I can’t see a positive ending for the season.
Not To sure WHAT the Deal is ????
But obvious to all, since the death of Mr. Davis, In spite of the emotional win, the day after, Hue’s play calling & personnel decision have been suspect !!! We like the way Hue’s Coach’s and the way he “TALKS” a good game, that’s why we all to happy to see Cable go, and Hue take over the reigns !!!
Does Hue have to much on his plate right now ? Has Hue’s ego popped some steroids ? Has something behind the scenes jumped off, that we have No knowledge of ???
IMO, the answer is probably yes !!!! And People, Please !!! There’s No comparison between Cable and Jackson, so stop that Bullshit !!! Cable couldn’t coach his way out of a wet paper bag !!! Yes he was a players coach, but that obviously didn’t make him a good field coach !!! Do you even remember what he was brought in to teach our O-line ??? The zone blocking scheme, remember how well that work out for us !!!
Far as panicking, I’m not there right now, but we’ve been in panic mode since 2003, if you’re a true Raider Fan !!!! We’ve seen this team go head first into a pool of quicksand in the past, so I can’t blame anyone for feeling uneasy, considering what we’ve seen this year !!!! True fully, we should be 7-1, instead of 4-4, and 1 bad play call from being 3-5, if not for the Defense in the Cleveland Game. So everyone is entitled to what they’re feeling with just cause !!
I just think Hue need’s to get back to doing what got his azz here in the first place, COACHING !!! Let’s just pray we don’t have to wait to next year to see if he has gotten it figured out
p.s. 1st order of business, Fire BresanaJoke at the end of season, if not today !!!
This Was An Interesting Evaluation From Our Beloved "DC" Who Seems Far From Content!!!
Bresnahan said film work included eight or nine plays from the first half when the defense did most things right, juxtaposed with second half film which showed them doing just about everything wrong. Bresnahan called it "disturbing" and promised to get it fixed. He said he wants off the roller coaster.
Oakland had given up just 3.2 yards per carry and 274 yards rushing in their previous free games before Denver hung a 298 on the board.
Probably does not matter to you guys....
…. since you won’t see the zone read again this season, but here’s a Bronco blog post on why the zone read is a very effective offense.
http://www.itsalloverfatman.com/broncos/entry/you-got-served-the-zone-read
Maybe the only reason the offense isn’t succesful in the NFL is because nobody uses it, not that it wouldn’t work.
Maya: "What are your first impressions of Denver?"
Mozgov: "I must break you..."
how did that zone read work out against Detroit? please remind me, was it successful?
by Toolshed1485 on Nov 8, 2011 11:39 AM PST up reply actions
Difference between Moreno and McGahee
… and a disciplined defense versus a bunch of hotheaded me-first divas.
Maya: "What are your first impressions of Denver?"
Mozgov: "I must break you..."
So this is basically a college option offense?
Because Tennessee (when Vince was starting) and even Tampa Bay now run option plays.
ALL WE HAD TO DO SECOND HALF WAS CROWD THE LINE ADJUST TO A "ZONE BLITZ" ON DEFENSE SO OUR DB'S WOULD BE FACING TEBOW & MCGAHEE INSTEAD OF TURNING THERE BACKS TO THEM PLAYING MAN TO MAN...
"THE TIME TO WIN IS NOW" - Coach Hue Jackson
Raider Nation, all hand's on deck or get the hell off the ship! That's the way it's gonna be around here from now on! If a 7th & 5th round pick gets you Aaron Curry (a former 4th overall 1st rd. pick) instead of a couple of crap-shoots a year later, then fine and if dealing away a couple of first rounder's gets you a proven franchise quarterback like Carson Palmer and a legitimate shot at the playoffs, then great, you know why? Because your team is standing behind it's motto & legacy, "Just Win Baby!" and "Commitment to Excellence" instead of "Suck for Luck" and "Give Up". Imagine if you were a fan of a team that actually bought into that!?!
Cheers,
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by The MoonMan 804 on Nov 8, 2011 11:47 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
We have to put this game behind us like the Patriots game
Even though the Broncos are an inferior team compared to the Patriots, we have to trust that they will bounce back and win like they did when they faced the Texans the next week.
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He'll knock you 'round and upside down
And laugh when he's conquered and won.
+1
"THE TIME TO WIN IS NOW" - Coach Hue Jackson
Raider Nation, all hand's on deck or get the hell off the ship! That's the way it's gonna be around here from now on! If a 7th & 5th round pick gets you Aaron Curry (a former 4th overall 1st rd. pick) instead of a couple of crap-shoots a year later, then fine and if dealing away a couple of first rounder's gets you a proven franchise quarterback like Carson Palmer and a legitimate shot at the playoffs, then great, you know why? Because your team is standing behind it's motto & legacy, "Just Win Baby!" and "Commitment to Excellence" instead of "Suck for Luck" and "Give Up". Imagine if you were a fan of a team that actually bought into that!?!
Cheers,
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by The MoonMan 804 on Nov 8, 2011 12:19 PM PST up reply actions
+1
Plenty of football still to be played folks.
by TheColdStareofDaveStewart on Nov 8, 2011 12:39 PM PST up reply actions
It's true, but this one is going to be tough to forget.
The Pats was an expected loss, for the most part. It sucked, but it was easy to move on. The Broncos, however, was a game that should have been won. There’s really no excuse for the loss. Add to that they are a divisional rival and we’ve lost, embarrassingly, back to back division games. It’s really tough to get past this one. Because the loss just doesn’t make sense.
Thankfully I’m just a fan, and I hope the players get their crap together and bring it hard on Thursday. I need something to cheer about, but my wariness is going to be hard to shake.
There may be something up with DHB and Boss.
Who knows. Hue had his reasons. If they were stupid ones, I hope he notices it nice and fast like.
Palmer is still learning, and if Palmer prefers TJ and Moore, well than that may be the best choices down the road. The offense will get underway when mcfadden comes back too. All in all though, we should not look into this game TOO much other than the fact that mcclain is very important to our defense (because it was just plain as day). We need to move forward, and see how our team performs on thursday. I am confident that we’ll see a bit more smoother offense, and hopefully a defense with a healthy mcclain.
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Nope.
I disagree wholeheartedly. Put those who have been wiring their ass off on, over the ones that have been there less/just came in.
In WHOEVER GIVES US THE WIN We Trust
by NFLanalyzerfromhome on Nov 8, 2011 12:35 PM PST up reply actions
Understandable.
I would much rather prefer DHB and Ford on the outside. If Hue sees that TJ is not working out, he’ll put him down lower on the depth chart, and move others up that have played well. TJ as a slot guy is fine, and honestly, as long as Palmer produces I don’t care who is at WR. I personally want him with WRs that are working for him. If TJ and Moore aren’t working out for him, I’m sure Hue would change things with Palmer.
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+1
Plenty of football left Nation. Gotta keep moving forward. All the anger, fear mongering, “shoulda woulda of coulda” talk isn’t going to get us where we wanna go.
by TheColdStareofDaveStewart on Nov 8, 2011 12:43 PM PST up reply actions
Did they stay over the bye and work with Palmer?
Don’t remember hearing their names mentioned. Maybe the coaches let the guys play who stayed?
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I have no idea if Palmer worked with his receivers over the bye. I have no idea, if he did, who those receivers are.
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I know Jacoby said he was staying, and that going home was not as important as getting Palmer used to them.
From the comments I’ve read around, DHB didn’t stay, and Boss was not really available (concussion), so that may explain some of it. If DHB didn’t stay, it was a bad move, it was more important to the season than going home.
Yeah.
We’ll see what happens. Hue knows these guys better than we do, and I have to trust him. I hope he knows what he is doing.
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I thought it was Jacoby, DHB and another.
I dont think Moore or Hagan stayed. Probably another reason why Hagan was cut.
I haven't lost my faith in this team, these players, their talent
If everyone learns from this game (Coaching especially) and we regroup effectively and get back to our core strengths, and start tackling, and executing what we know how to do, we win against SD as we are hungrier. There is a possibility that SD may have bloated egos about putting up 38pts on GB, and maybe SD already looking past us, like we did KC and Den, and we end up smackin em in their house. That would be great. I hope this team finds its heart again. Ive obviously been upset, but I still love this team and it all comes from a passionate place. GO Raiders
This game defies logic
I have spent the vast majority of my NFL watching career believing that the spread offense is a college or high school level offense. Of all things you can accuse the Raiders defense of, being slow is not one of them. Watching the success of the spread offense, and offense designed to be faster than the defense, work to perfection against the Raiders blows my mind. Like Seymour said, they even knew what the Tebowncos were going to do, just couldn’t stop it. This game really brings me back to the ineptitude the Raiders would exhibit in the 11 loss season streak. Knowing that teams were going to run it every down and load the box and still give up 5+ ypc. This game is depressing on so many levels. This is a throwback game to when they were losers and were a joke in the NFL. Theya re supposed to be better now, but they got embarassed on Sunday. This had better not be a sign of the times.
Do you think Hue will take a look at Albert "Rub a dub Tub" Haynesworth? He was just released.
Not that we need him just wondering out loud.
I sure hope not.
That guy is a waste of space and talent. We need guys who want to play, not guys who just want a paycheck. We’ve had more than our share of those guys the last 8 years. Plus we’ve got enough mid-season personnel changes to deal with.
Nah.
Don’t need him. Don’t want him. Our middle is fine. Unless he can play Safety…
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I think he'll pass waivers for sure.
Wind up at the Eagles? He has relationship with the D-line coach there, I think?
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Surely you would have to think Hue is done with the major roster moves
But the way he is acting right now nothing would surprise me.
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by Ozraider on Nov 8, 2011 1:34 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
No CJ never went on IR
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by Ozraider on Nov 8, 2011 2:01 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Looks like no McFadden on Thursday.
Not that that’s surprising. And not that there is ever a good time for an injury, but McFadden’s really couldn’t have come at a worse time. I’m starting to wonder if Jackson knows how to win a game without having McFadden as an option.
REAL HUE JACKSON?
Has anyone ever considered if this is the REAL HUE JACKSON?
Hue was given Campbell, and we knew that we couldn’t be a pass happy team, but we could throw in the occasional long ball and pound it with DMC/Bush.
Through unfortunate circumstances, Campbell is gone, and Hue was able to get someone that he wanted for QB, and suddenly we pass first, run secondary. Maybe this is what Hue Jackson really is, and we just had the run-smash-mouth-bully because of what we had on the roster at the time.
I personally can’t say whether this is good or bad. If this is the real Hue Jackson, then maybe we need to be patient while he builds them toward what he always wanted.
Much of what we are seeing can be explained away as Rookie Coach mistakes and the circumstance of the year, but this is certainly an idea that has to be entertained.
The lack of #20 plays into it
I think that Hue really does what HE THINKS will work. The question that is still very much up in the air: is he good enough at figuring out what that is? The last 2 games (and last week in particular) scare me very much in that regard.
Game of the year (again) on Thursday. Find a way to win this one and I’ll jump right back on the bandwagon.
fuck.
I feel you. Why and how is it every week it’s another game that’s like it’s the most important defining moment again for us, but we fail to define ourselves as anything but a dichotomy?
"tough times call for perseverance and a tough mind. I have been told that I can't play football before. We all know what happened with that. #neverquit"--Mark Herzlich
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because no one else has distanced themselves from the pack either
Why and how is it every week it’s another game that’s like it’s the most important defining moment again for us
As long that continues every week will be a must win week for the Raiders
"Now I know what your thinking, did he fire six shots or only five. Ive forgotten myself in all this excitement, but being that this is the 44 magnum, the most powerful handgun in the world and could blow your head clean off, you have to ask your question. Do I feel lucky? Well do ya punk!"
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IDK
You gotta let CP fire away a bit and start getting in a groove.
There’s that.
The more Carson throws the more he settles into his groove and gets his mojo goin’!
He's getting better every game!
3rd TIMES A CHARM!! as “they” say…
"THE TIME TO WIN IS NOW" - Coach Hue Jackson
Raider Nation, all hand's on deck or get the hell off the ship! That's the way it's gonna be around here from now on! If a 7th & 5th round pick gets you Aaron Curry (a former 4th overall 1st rd. pick) instead of a couple of crap-shoots a year later, then fine and if dealing away a couple of first rounder's gets you a proven franchise quarterback like Carson Palmer and a legitimate shot at the playoffs, then great, you know why? Because your team is standing behind it's motto & legacy, "Just Win Baby!" and "Commitment to Excellence" instead of "Suck for Luck" and "Give Up". Imagine if you were a fan of a team that actually bought into that!?!
Cheers,
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by The MoonMan 804 on Nov 8, 2011 4:17 PM PST up reply actions
I hope not
the run sets up so much more for an offense with PA, etc. Be a shame to get away from something you do very well.
Guys.
Hue didn’t abandon the run. He was forced to. Satele went down and the holes stopped opening up.
he kept running the same play up the middle
there are other run plays. There are screens, draws and play action.
a good coach adapts to this situation – especially against a garbage team like the Broncos
It's another example of the theme emerging with Hue
Is that we continually get out maneuvered at half time.
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by Ozraider on Nov 8, 2011 2:10 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Yes and no
Hue is the head coach.
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by Ozraider on Nov 8, 2011 2:38 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
and stink at home?
"tough times call for perseverance and a tough mind. I have been told that I can't play football before. We all know what happened with that. #neverquit"--Mark Herzlich
""The massive Raider Nation is beyond doubt the sleaziest and rudest and most sinister mob of thugs and wackos ever assembled."--Hunter S. Thompson
Yep
"We have an attack mindset from the get-go. We're going to try to pressure you in as many ways as we can, from the tempo we play at to the formations we run." - Chip Kelly
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by Ozraider on Nov 8, 2011 3:40 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Yep
And that really cuts considering the Nation has stepped up and sold that place out and been rewarded with an awful product.
"We have an attack mindset from the get-go. We're going to try to pressure you in as many ways as we can, from the tempo we play at to the formations we run." - Chip Kelly
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by Ozraider on Nov 8, 2011 3:41 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
I'd be surprised if the sellouts continue now.
Unfortunately. But no one wants to go watch their team play like crap.
right. what's worse, I hear proclamations in the stands, "I knew we'd make him look like a god..."
My head hurts every game from yelling my ass off. Hue admitted that we lost to a team that looked hungrier in the second half, and that that is on him. Respond appropriately, please, Mr. J.
"tough times call for perseverance and a tough mind. I have been told that I can't play football before. We all know what happened with that. #neverquit"--Mark Herzlich
""The massive Raider Nation is beyond doubt the sleaziest and rudest and most sinister mob of thugs and wackos ever assembled."--Hunter S. Thompson
He didn't have a plan B in the run game once the broncos adjusted to what we were doing in the first half
We could have done a number of things to get the run game going like trying to get Taiwan on the outside, run some screens etc but for some reason they felt throwing on every down was a better option even though we were on the lead
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by Ozraider on Nov 8, 2011 2:08 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
They got a little too greedy. They need to find out what works with Palmer and what doesn't.
I think they learned a lot.
Agreed
It really feels like to me that with the lead at half time that Hue wanted to pad Carsons stats and make sure he had a good game rather than controlling the clock and getting the W.
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by Ozraider on Nov 8, 2011 2:12 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
The Denver "D" started crowding the line
and instead of a few short play action passes to keep them honest and open the run back up, we went pass happy.
I don’t want us to be a run first or a pass first offense. I would like no one to have the slightest idea what we’re going to do on any given play and to be as balanced as we can be between pass and run.
"Now I know what your thinking, did he fire six shots or only five. Ive forgotten myself in all this excitement, but being that this is the 44 magnum, the most powerful handgun in the world and could blow your head clean off, you have to ask your question. Do I feel lucky? Well do ya punk!"
Dirty Harry Callahan
Is Satele expected to play?
The Autumn wind is a Raider
Pillaging just for fun
He'll knock you 'round and upside down
And laugh when he's conquered and won.
We need him bigtime (at least this year)
We must have a healthy Satelle, McClain, Jano, Reese or we’re in big trouble, apparently. I would say the same about DMac, but he is not playing….and we have a really good back up in Bush.
I wonder if Hue is working out Steffan Johnson again so we aren’t so thin at running back?
We need to use Taiwan Jones in SOME of the plays that we call for DMC that we don’t run with Bush. That little bit of change would do wonders for the game plan.
the game got away from the raiders
going in with best offensive weapon out
MLB signal caller goes out
new players that are not completely acclimated
curry
palmer
housh (not sure why he is on the field, also why pick him up the week after the bye week)
after palmer got hot…things were looking good. its hard to say that the OC and hue should dial things back at the point.
hindsight is 20/20 but if the ball is not picked at the 20 the raiders likely get a win and there are less concerns
Obviously Palmer has a preference for Moore over DHB (targets) and likely he told Hue this…
DHB does not go after the ball. Palmer places a catch-able ball into coverage and given that Moore is a practice stud that makes plays on the ball i can understand his preference. this was evidenced on the first drive when palmer audibled and threw a floating pass to moore on a go route.
hopefully dhb and plamer get more familiar with each other as the season progresses. Also palmer has zero practice time with Boss as he has been injured and didn’t stay over the bye
by raider_bill on Nov 8, 2011 2:42 PM PST reply actions 2 recs
nailed it, I think
and I think 31 other coaches in the league would’ve been forced to make the same decision.
"tough times call for perseverance and a tough mind. I have been told that I can't play football before. We all know what happened with that. #neverquit"--Mark Herzlich
""The massive Raider Nation is beyond doubt the sleaziest and rudest and most sinister mob of thugs and wackos ever assembled."--Hunter S. Thompson
Hold on.
For the past 2 Games, 2 picks…were balls that Moore did not go after.
I can’t believe that a tom of y’all are saying Moore > DHB NOW. Look at ninjagoro’s stats. Moore was targeted 19 times. >_>
In WHOEVER GIVES US THE WIN We Trust
by NFLanalyzerfromhome on Nov 8, 2011 3:21 PM PST up reply actions
As bad as the last 3 weeks have been… I still have faith and confidence that the raiders CAN win not will but CAN. If they lose then it’s prob over. We shall see Thursday. Got some bets goin ladies.
by RaiderKilluminati on Nov 8, 2011 2:49 PM PST via mobile reply actions
Rivers and vj are gonna tear this defense up. Hopefully they cause turnovers though
by RaiderKilluminati on Nov 8, 2011 2:53 PM PST via mobile reply actions
we beat Rivers last year with D back blitzes
I don’t know why we didn’t do this against Tebow; it makes ten times more sense. When you send blitzers after fleet footed qbs you make for certain they are guys who can catch them should they get juked initially. Not only didn’t we blitz much, but we didn’t send D backs at all. We could’ve sent corners and safeties without worrying about Tebow’s passing attack letting lbs drop back in their place (Curry usually), and ironically, our defensive backs got lit up by him for tds getting beaten by their guys for two Tebow passing TDs anyway (Tebow threw a couple nice balls uncharacteristically).
"tough times call for perseverance and a tough mind. I have been told that I can't play football before. We all know what happened with that. #neverquit"--Mark Herzlich
""The massive Raider Nation is beyond doubt the sleaziest and rudest and most sinister mob of thugs and wackos ever assembled."--Hunter S. Thompson
hue jackson thinks his name is hue davis…he is blowing it and has already lost his team…maybe the season…maybe the future,who let this guy have so much control?
by reno raiders fan on Nov 8, 2011 3:02 PM PST reply actions
Unfortunately Hue has been thrust into a position
He is not ready for out of nescessity with hues passing as Amy is is business woman not a football person and Mark Davis Is not a football person either. Someone had to step up and while I respect the fact that Hue has done so his expanded role seems to be having significant adverse consequences for the team on the field.
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by Ozraider on Nov 8, 2011 3:14 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
I hope Madden takes a deeper role as advisor, just til we get through the season and can bid on a real GM.
I just hope we get someone in soon
I am quite sure that hue is working with the best of intentiona but it certainly seems clear that the extra weight he is carrying is having an effect on his ability to coach the team and get results.
Beating the Chargers would certainly cure a lot if ills right now that’s for sure and we have the talent to do it. Hopefully hue is done playing GM and messing with the team and puts his full focus back on coaching.
"We have an attack mindset from the get-go. We're going to try to pressure you in as many ways as we can, from the tempo we play at to the formations we run." - Chip Kelly
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by Ozraider on Nov 8, 2011 4:19 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Hue is also taking on the situation and he just needs to coach....
Al Davis the Greatest Raider of all times... You will live forever in the hearts of true Raider fans...RIP
"WE'RE ALL GONNA DIE!!!"
this is type of this that isn’t helping and makes the Nation look bad. It’s week 10 of 17. Ride it out or go ahead and keep your sack tucked back.
by TheColdStareofDaveStewart on Nov 8, 2011 3:37 PM PST up reply actions
LLLLLLLMMMMMMMMMMAAAAAAAAOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
@TheColdStareofDaveStewart
"THE TIME TO WIN IS NOW" - Coach Hue Jackson
Raider Nation, all hand's on deck or get the hell off the ship! That's the way it's gonna be around here from now on! If a 7th & 5th round pick gets you Aaron Curry (a former 4th overall 1st rd. pick) instead of a couple of crap-shoots a year later, then fine and if dealing away a couple of first rounder's gets you a proven franchise quarterback like Carson Palmer and a legitimate shot at the playoffs, then great, you know why? Because your team is standing behind it's motto & legacy, "Just Win Baby!" and "Commitment to Excellence" instead of "Suck for Luck" and "Give Up". Imagine if you were a fan of a team that actually bought into that!?!
Cheers,
- Saint
by The MoonMan 804 on Nov 8, 2011 3:57 PM PST up reply actions
If we don't win on Thursday
I’m comfortable saying that the season is over. Three straight division losses followed by game against the likes of Green Bay, Detroit, Chicago, and Adrian Peterson (forget the rest of the team, if we can’t stop the Broncos rush attack Peterson will destroy us all by himself)…I just can’t see anyway the team comes out with winning record if we lose this next game.
Hey Heath Evans from NFL network gave us some love. He said with the health of DMc there are plenty of games he can “check off” as wins basically saying the raiders can go 9-7 or 10-6 or dare I say more…
by RaiderKilluminati on Nov 8, 2011 3:12 PM PST via mobile reply actions
I’m hyped for this game but the losses and injuries have been big blows that have lowered my confidence in this team but I believe with a healthy fm anything is possible. Also the defense can’t collapse like on Sunday. If they play even average we can win.
by RaiderKilluminati on Nov 8, 2011 3:18 PM PST via mobile reply actions
WHAT???!!!!!! NFL.com is reporting that DMc will sit out Thursday according to " team officials". If this is true then we are practically screwed. Fuck!!!!!!
by RaiderKilluminati on Nov 8, 2011 3:20 PM PST via mobile reply actions
It's been reported all around for the last couple of hours.
It’s isn’t really a surprise. But it’s terrible news just the same. I hate the McFadden can’t stay healthy. And his injury this year couldn’t have come at a worse time.
Our running attack is still aewsome with Bush
Better than most.
But we need big Samson back at center and Wiz back at tackle;
it was when Samson went down that our running game went down vs. Denver.
Just came home from class my bad. It’s news to me.
by RaiderKilluminati on Nov 8, 2011 3:34 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Yeah I think DMc is out too. Vittorio tafur is even saying this on NFL network. This ain’t good.
by RaiderKilluminati on Nov 8, 2011 3:27 PM PST via mobile reply actions
Time to get creative with Taiwan Jones and keep pounding the rock with Bush.
The Autumn wind is a Raider
Pillaging just for fun
He'll knock you 'round and upside down
And laugh when he's conquered and won.
please, lets get TJ more touches
"THE TIME TO WIN IS NOW" - Coach Hue Jackson
Raider Nation, all hand's on deck or get the hell off the ship! That's the way it's gonna be around here from now on! If a 7th & 5th round pick gets you Aaron Curry (a former 4th overall 1st rd. pick) instead of a couple of crap-shoots a year later, then fine and if dealing away a couple of first rounder's gets you a proven franchise quarterback like Carson Palmer and a legitimate shot at the playoffs, then great, you know why? Because your team is standing behind it's motto & legacy, "Just Win Baby!" and "Commitment to Excellence" instead of "Suck for Luck" and "Give Up". Imagine if you were a fan of a team that actually bought into that!?!
Cheers,
- Saint
by The MoonMan 804 on Nov 8, 2011 4:00 PM PST up reply actions
Taiwan Jones to clear
"THE TIME TO WIN IS NOW" - Coach Hue Jackson
Raider Nation, all hand's on deck or get the hell off the ship! That's the way it's gonna be around here from now on! If a 7th & 5th round pick gets you Aaron Curry (a former 4th overall 1st rd. pick) instead of a couple of crap-shoots a year later, then fine and if dealing away a couple of first rounder's gets you a proven franchise quarterback like Carson Palmer and a legitimate shot at the playoffs, then great, you know why? Because your team is standing behind it's motto & legacy, "Just Win Baby!" and "Commitment to Excellence" instead of "Suck for Luck" and "Give Up". Imagine if you were a fan of a team that actually bought into that!?!
Cheers,
- Saint
by The MoonMan 804 on Nov 8, 2011 4:00 PM PST up reply actions
^be
"THE TIME TO WIN IS NOW" - Coach Hue Jackson
Raider Nation, all hand's on deck or get the hell off the ship! That's the way it's gonna be around here from now on! If a 7th & 5th round pick gets you Aaron Curry (a former 4th overall 1st rd. pick) instead of a couple of crap-shoots a year later, then fine and if dealing away a couple of first rounder's gets you a proven franchise quarterback like Carson Palmer and a legitimate shot at the playoffs, then great, you know why? Because your team is standing behind it's motto & legacy, "Just Win Baby!" and "Commitment to Excellence" instead of "Suck for Luck" and "Give Up". Imagine if you were a fan of a team that actually bought into that!?!
Cheers,
- Saint
by The MoonMan 804 on Nov 8, 2011 4:01 PM PST up reply actions
anything, we need to rotate him & d.moore on punt return also, thats my guy and all but he gets a lot of punt return chances and a dont do anything with them....
"THE TIME TO WIN IS NOW" - Coach Hue Jackson
Raider Nation, all hand's on deck or get the hell off the ship! That's the way it's gonna be around here from now on! If a 7th & 5th round pick gets you Aaron Curry (a former 4th overall 1st rd. pick) instead of a couple of crap-shoots a year later, then fine and if dealing away a couple of first rounder's gets you a proven franchise quarterback like Carson Palmer and a legitimate shot at the playoffs, then great, you know why? Because your team is standing behind it's motto & legacy, "Just Win Baby!" and "Commitment to Excellence" instead of "Suck for Luck" and "Give Up". Imagine if you were a fan of a team that actually bought into that!?!
Cheers,
- Saint
by The MoonMan 804 on Nov 8, 2011 6:06 PM PST up reply actions
Kick Return also
"THE TIME TO WIN IS NOW" - Coach Hue Jackson
Raider Nation, all hand's on deck or get the hell off the ship! That's the way it's gonna be around here from now on! If a 7th & 5th round pick gets you Aaron Curry (a former 4th overall 1st rd. pick) instead of a couple of crap-shoots a year later, then fine and if dealing away a couple of first rounder's gets you a proven franchise quarterback like Carson Palmer and a legitimate shot at the playoffs, then great, you know why? Because your team is standing behind it's motto & legacy, "Just Win Baby!" and "Commitment to Excellence" instead of "Suck for Luck" and "Give Up". Imagine if you were a fan of a team that actually bought into that!?!
Cheers,
- Saint
by The MoonMan 804 on Nov 8, 2011 6:07 PM PST up reply actions
THIS WAS DEF. A LOL MOMENT....... FROM SUNDAY
"THE TIME TO WIN IS NOW" - Coach Hue Jackson
Raider Nation, all hand's on deck or get the hell off the ship! That's the way it's gonna be around here from now on! If a 7th & 5th round pick gets you Aaron Curry (a former 4th overall 1st rd. pick) instead of a couple of crap-shoots a year later, then fine and if dealing away a couple of first rounder's gets you a proven franchise quarterback like Carson Palmer and a legitimate shot at the playoffs, then great, you know why? Because your team is standing behind it's motto & legacy, "Just Win Baby!" and "Commitment to Excellence" instead of "Suck for Luck" and "Give Up". Imagine if you were a fan of a team that actually bought into that!?!
Cheers,
- Saint
He was dancing because he knew with all of the stupid-ass penalties that one the Raiders kept giving themselves, that we were sure to win the game.
Bronco Champions are being forged as we speak.
the only way you win that game!
"Now I know what your thinking, did he fire six shots or only five. Ive forgotten myself in all this excitement, but being that this is the 44 magnum, the most powerful handgun in the world and could blow your head clean off, you have to ask your question. Do I feel lucky? Well do ya punk!"
Dirty Harry Callahan
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