3-4 Switch May be Key to Oakland Return to Prominence
We've all seen what this Raiders team is capable of when we are at full strength and have obviously seen what this team is capable of unfortunately when its making excuses for not being so. While realistically we may be out of the playoff chase with Denver, Pittsburgh, and the Jets all ahead of us I like to think of this as the start of the new and improved Oakland Raiders. Sadly my team may be the worst team in football the past two weeks and no first or second round picks to show for it coming up I still think we are a couple of moves away from a definite playoff berth in 2012-2013. All it takes is a former head coach to be brought in as defensive coordinator to install a 3-4 alignment. That guy resides in Florida and its not the first name that is on Raider fans' minds either. Sorry Jack. Mike Nolan may be the key to bringing a division championship to the Oakland Raiders.
I'm a big proponent of fantasy football speaking for the defensive side of the ball and Nolan's Dolphins currently allow the 30th most fantasy points to RBs this season. That means running backs don't get a lot of yards, don't score in short yardage, and when they catch the ball don't get very far afterwards. For all that said I would take our current starting secondary including Lito Shepard over either of Houston or Miami's backfields in a heartbeat. Our front seven, while it needs work does have something to work with. We don't have the luxury of drafting a JJ. Watt, Connor Barwin like the Texans or a BJ. Raji or Clay Matthews like GB next year but if we find the right fits in free agency it can be done. This team has employed an Elephant look in the past and with Wimbley in the Williams\ Matthews role he can garner double-digit sacks. Dick Seymour for years was considered the prototype at 3-4 end with his ability to not only fill gaps but also shoot gaps and rush the passer. Lamar Houston on the other end may be the heir-apparent. McClain played ILB for the national champion Crimson Tide defense and may need this to resurrect a very disappointing career. The other OLB position may go to Aaron Curry by default or possibly Trevor Scott assuming he doesn't tear a knee ligament pumping the breaks on his SUV on the way to the stadium. He provides cheap, but good depth. This leaves two positions open for players not on this team and they may be the most imperative. The nose tackle can be had likely where we end up drafting in the fifth or we can get one in free agency. Nolan's own Paul Soliai already knows the defense and would be an improvement over Tommy Kelly who would not be a good fit. He can stay if he agrees to a pay cut and be used on passing downs only on the interior. Another good option could be Abreyu Franklin who was a stud for Nolan while in San Francisco and won't garner too much attention after being under-utlized in New Orleans' base 4-3 D. Former Broncos and Bills ILB Andre Davis are going to be available, as is the underrated Cardinals' Clark Haggans and would be immediate starters on this defense.
Finally there are some players who we have to sacrifice to make this happen such as Mike Mitchell who while a fan favorite is not really a good fit, very productive, and is a personal foul waiting to happen. There are about three wide receivers on this roster that I can care less whether they stay or go; besides we are a run-first offense anyway and all of these guys are broken. I can't wait around forever. That brings me to DMAC, one of my favorite Raiders when he's healthy. Mike Bush resigning long-term should be priority number one and unless McFadden agrees to a pay cut I don't think this organization can continue to keep him on the books while he holds us all hostage with his bad feet. Taiwan Jones may be a dynamic alternative waiting to explode on the scene. There you have it. Perhaps this is just me thinking out-loud or maybe this organization already has the wheels in motion looking for the pieces to implement a Raider defense Ted Hendricks and Lyle Alzado would be proud of.
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What about Kevin Greene or Winston Moss?
They could also do a fine job switching to the 3-4 and bringing leadership, discipline, and motivating our young players to work hard and get it right.
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I think an assistant with zero experience would seem like they're merely thankful for the opportunity.
They wouldn’t garner the same type of respect a man with head coaching experience looking to implement his ideals as opposed to those just carrying out the status quo. I’m tired of that year in, year out.
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these two are looking like very likely scenarios
I have heard Nolan’s name mentioned on Sirius radio several times as well, and he’d be great
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I would sign up completely for a switch to 3-4
The Raiders were the first franchise in history to win a superbowl in 3-4, i like the synergy.
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FYI (and I’m doing a fanpost on this) the 2008 Packers at 6-10 were one of the best bad teams in a long time. They actually had a positive point differential for the season, which is crazy considering they lost 4 more games than they won.
Allowing BJ Raji to slip past us in that draft was inexcusable. The guy was a man-beast. You find a place for players like that on your team, regardless of what the current system is.
We need a better DL for a 3-4.
I see Seymour and Houston as the Ends. But Seymour looks to be declining, and Kelly or Henderson cannot be a NT.
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
Having a solid, if not dominant, NT in a 3-4 goes a long way to determining whether it will be successful or not
I think McClain would transition well to this scheme but we would need another ILB…maybe Goethel could take that on…hard to say with limited experience. We would need to find someone to spell Seymour and eventually replace him at DE. Where would Shaunessy best fit in this scheme?
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by Buster Bluth on Dec 14, 2011 6:32 AM PST up reply actions
I'd much rather
transition to a 5-2 in all honesty. Shaghnessy, Sey, Kelly, Bryant, Houston.
We have no LB depth as is. Keep Ro and Curry/Wimbley on the field and use Mitchell as an OLB in passing situations.
I'm scared of the 5-2-4. lol
I feel that opponents would be able to pass all over us… and if a RB gets through our DL, you’re looking at 7+ yards instantly. =/
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
NO...The 2 "LB"s Are Read -n- React To Anything Escaping The Front 5 Preasure...
This also gets good penetration to the “QB” and is very disruptive…Than at any moment you pull your "DE"s back and you in a 3-4…The conversion is smooth and very effective with the correct personal…
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There Are Some Very Good Posts About It...

3-4 Defense
Stop Anything with an Odd Front
3-4 Defense3-4 Defense features an Odd Front and a two high Safety look that allow this defense to be extremely versatile and effective. It is actually just an adjustment to the old 5-2 Defense, with the Defensive Ends moved off the line and outside, becoming Outside Linebackers. It is easier to cover the flats from here, and also keep the offense off balance with blitzes and line movements.
The three down linemen are head up on the center and the two Offensive Tackles. The two Inside Linebackers stack over top of the Offensive Guards. The players up the middle are crucial to the success of the defense. With a dominant Nose Guard and two physical, athletic Linebackers, this defense can be very tough to beat.
The two high safeties make Cover 2 and Cover 4 easy to fit with the 3-4 Defense. By buzzing down a safety to replace a blitzing Outside Linebacker, we also easily create a Cover 3.
http://football.about.com/cs/a/52defense.htm
Index:
http://www.coachteed.com/freedl/defense.html
Diagrams:
http://www.scribd.com/doc/3110966/Black-Watch-52-Defense
http://www.fbforyouth.com/5-2monster.html
http://www.football-defense.com/stop-the-run-with-the-50-defense/
http://www.peeweefootball.net/Football.Defense.pdf
http://www.coachteed.com/freedl/Defense/52%20Defense.pdf
http://www.coverpalace.com/defense——cover/
Forum:
http://www.dumcoach.com/index.php?topic=3699.0
http://coachhuey.com/index.cgi?board=gendefense&action=display&thread=21173
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by PantyRaider on Dec 14, 2011 10:53 PM PST up reply actions
Our LB's
suck in pass coverage already. I’d rather have 5 DL rushing the QB than the 4 DL and 1 OLB we have now. Especially if we get guys like Mitchell on the field playing that LB role.
The 5-2 DE could also be a player like Groves or Wimbley — because that’s what their natural positions are anyway. They could drop into pass coverage and still be adequate in passing situations or they could blitz.
I like Shaugnessy as an OLB
like how Mario WIlliams transitioned to an OLB in Houston.
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
I know Shaugnessy has the range to play short coverage and rush the passer.
We can try Kelly at the NT I think he is our Best overall DLine men. I know Houston would be better inside than at a 4-3 DE. Curry and McCain inside. Wimbley is a 3-4 linebacker. The Problem is can we get someone who can call a good Defense.
Kelly is the only guy who I can think of.
Unless we get someone via free agency… or late in the draft..
Will look at guys after the playoffs. Or near the end of them.
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
I said this a lot at the beginning of the year
I think he would excel on the outside, even in a 4-3 but especially in a 3-4. I actually think he would be a great Clay Matthews type rusher from OLB
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by Marcus Allen Krause on Dec 14, 2011 8:09 AM PST up reply actions
I forgot about Schaunessy.
He would make for a pretty solid pass rushing OLB.
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Yup Fantasy Football again talking about switching to the 3 – 4. The Raiders went to the 3 – 4 in the one Superbowl year out of necessity. It seems it takes years to get the right personnel for the 3 – 4 and easier to jump back to the 4 – 3. No draft picks next year either. How about just fixing the D Coordinator position to start and go from there?
Houston Texans
last year 4-3 bad worst Defense in the NFL this New DC 3-4 one of the best Defense less than a year turn around.
Raiders Line
Have you seen the Raider D Line play? This is just more Fantasy Football. Let’s talk reality on this site for a change.
by Mallard Davis on Dec 14, 2011 8:06 AM PST up reply actions
I agree the Dline is play bad
but with the DC things can change.
We Switched To The 3-4 Under Madden When To Many Injuries On The "DL" Forced The Issue...
It payed off so well with Ted Hendricks that we stayed in it…We didn’t shift out of it until the “Rat” moved us to a Hybrid 3-4/4-3 and than Shell I Took us all the way back to the 4-3… Basically 1976 to 1990…1976 “V” Vikes “SB”…
"Tebowphobe"!!!
Good thinking and polished write-up, TAW
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My vote goes to the 5-3-3 (Rely on the CB's for man coverage) This would work against Tebowmania...
Branch as FS (Giordano sub)
Routt and Huff/ CJ / DvD/ Chekwa as the CB’s
Curry, McClain, Wimbely LB’s (T. Scott/ Groves/ Mitchell subs)
Seymour, Henderson, Kelly, Bryant, Houston; (Moss T. Scott subs)
Every man for himself...
At this point I think we're all welcoming a huge change somewhere
as what we’re seeing is clearly missing the mark bigtime. We’ll continue to hope for the right personnel guy who should in turn get the right DC too.
We’ll need someone who can navigate the roster well, and can figure out where we can relinquish some spending $ and find some trade value in some guys.
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"In football, I root for the Oakland Raiders because they hire castoffs, outlaws, malcontents, and fuck -ups, they have lots of penalties, fights, and paybacks, and because Al Davis told the rest of the pig NFL owners to go get fucked. Someday, the Raiders will be strong again, and they will dip the ball in shit and shove it down the throats of the wholesome, white, heartland teams that pray together and don't deliver late hits." - George Carlin.
Taw...We May Also Get Compensatory Picks For The Loss Of Gallery/Zack/Namndi...
Possible 3rd rd picks???
"Tebowphobe"!!!
Probably a 3rd and a 5th
Zack hasn’t done much of anything in Seattle and we signed Boss.
Boss Was A Later Round Pick For Much Less $$$ So He Dosen't Offset The Zack Loss...
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"Tebowphobe"!!!
by PantyRaider on Dec 14, 2011 11:12 AM PST up reply actions
I think it has to do with playing time/usage in 2011
I could be wrong though…
McClain is the problem.
3-4? With that linebacker crew! Someone needs to face reality. McClain is a bust so far and needs to be relegated to special teams until he is NFL-ready. Blackstone can step in.
Did anyone see how he hid behind Seymour on that first Packer TD by Grant. The kid is afraid to fill a hole! He cannot do the job. Switching to a 3-4 takes the Raider D’s weakness, it’s poor linebacker play, and makes it worse. Thank goodness for Curry, or it could be even worse!
RIP Bill King
by Snake and Freddy on Dec 14, 2011 10:02 AM PST reply actions
McClain might be better suited for a 3-4 though, thats what he excelled at in college.
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by Marcus Allen Krause on Dec 14, 2011 10:08 AM PST up reply actions
Our Dline is the Problem no LB can play behind this group
There was two holes on that Grant TD Seymour was getting pushed back. So if he fills the one on the right Grant cut back to the left if the plays the left Grants scores either way. Our Dline is garbage they just want to rush the QB nobody is playing run defense
That's not what I saw. Even against Miami and GB when the D failed to pressure Rogers, they mostly held their ground
against the rush and it was the failure to fill gaps, most seriously McClaim time after time. Also, our D line was rated near the top last season and except for Shaughnessy they are all back along with Waffle. It is not our DL.
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by Sons-of-Blanda on Dec 14, 2011 12:09 PM PST up reply actions
But it can be the Seymour getting on age
Houston on a sophmore slump.
Those things are possible. I think our front seven overall is in shambles a bit. Our DL is still our strength, but not what it was last year.
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
did you see Reggie Bush walk into the ENDZone
Jake Long too Seymour out of the play he couldn’t do nothing. We had a top rated pass rush dline. Every team that has trouble stopping the run it all starts up front. The Viking were a top run stopping team. The NT Williams retires they are back in the middle of the pack. We don’t have a Run stopper on our DLine. THey all go after the QB. Mike Waffle is a good pass rusher coach but since he left the Giants they haven’t lost a step along there Dline. None of them are crying
the only thing is we are getting to the QB
OUR Dline didn’t do anything last season when we play top teams. We got a lot of sacks in bunches against low level teams. The only time we play good Run defense was against our own AFC West teams
You're leaving something out, the Raiders give up more big rushing plays than any other team. In other words,
the DL holds and holds but when a RB does get through, he runs for huge gains. That’s on the LBs and I’m not blaming Curry.
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by Sons-of-Blanda on Dec 14, 2011 3:20 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Sons where does big plays start up fronts
When you play gap Defense and the guy in front of you gets beat. Its all down hill. you can’t expect LB’s and Safetys to make open field tackles. it won’t happen. We have too many guys playing out of position. Seymour isn’t a 4-3 DT Houston isn’t a DE Wimbley is a 3-4 outside LB. We all know how you are when a play crosses you you look for them like waldo on the field. I am just saying McCain isn’t the main reason we suck on defense. He could be a better player yes.
with the exception of Shaughnessy when he was here, Bryant at times, our D line has struggled to keep our backers clean in the run game
a good team always does this, but some of it has come from McClain taking bait too often too.
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"In football, I root for the Oakland Raiders because they hire castoffs, outlaws, malcontents, and fuck -ups, they have lots of penalties, fights, and paybacks, and because Al Davis told the rest of the pig NFL owners to go get fucked. Someday, the Raiders will be strong again, and they will dip the ball in shit and shove it down the throats of the wholesome, white, heartland teams that pray together and don't deliver late hits." - George Carlin.
So you're a telling me if an NFL MLb has two holes to fill, he should choose neither?
McClain is lost and clueless. Put any competent lb in that same spot and they would attack the inside hole and get to the play, knowing they have outside help. That is the job. By doing nothing, he forces everyone else around him to become tentative. That is how we are seeing the Raider D play.
The great Raider D’s of old attacked and dictated, forcing the opposing offense to react. McClain does nothing but watch them run by and shoot guns into the ground.
RIP Bill King
by Snake and Freddy on Dec 14, 2011 2:19 PM PST up reply actions
Have to take gap assignments into account.
I have seen plays where our DEs couldn’t contain anything, which resulted in the RB getting to the outside quickly for a big gain. Before our MLB would be able to make a play.
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
DEs aren't containing because they know they are gutless inside.
They have to worry about covering for the turd behind them first, then try to jump outside to contain. Most of the big running plays this season have been big slashes up the B and C gaps. Once a good back busts the line, they are off to the races!
Who SHOULD be stopping that? You know the answer. You’ve seen his fat ass chasing too many backs this season not to know it’s #55.
RIP Bill King
by Snake and Freddy on Dec 14, 2011 2:29 PM PST up reply actions
That is untrue.
Have to worry about the turd behind them? YOu obviously don’t know that when players are giving gap assignments, they try and fill that gap up (the edge counts). They wouldn’t abandon heir assignments unless they know where the RB is going.
While the middle has not been very stellar at containing the run, the outside is much worse. The middle usually is fine. McClain however is performing very badly, even when the run is going through inside. But the outside containment is something we have to take into account.
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
Outside took a hit when Shaughnessy and then Moss went down. Bryant stepped in and does okay but
really belongs in the inside. As a result, Seymour is not spelled by Bryant like before and gets tired and frustrated (thus drawing PFs, imo). Moreover, Moss as a DE is good at rushing the QB but loses containment even worse than Houston, add to that Wimbley backs Moss in passing situations (while Curry backs Houston) and you see how the right side of our D went from the best to the wost. As for McClain in the middle, he just can’t seem to find the right gap in time or get past the single blocker sent at him.
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by Sons-of-Blanda on Dec 14, 2011 2:59 PM PST up reply actions
Sons I am going to say this
Thomas Howard left and plays with the Bengals He is on track to have the best season he has ever had. Could it have something to do with playing behind a better DLine. The Bengals are stopping the run with him something we blamed him for in Oakland. We need a DC but we also need some guys who want to stop the run then rush the QB.
Shhh don't bring that up
No one ever succeeds after leaving the Raiders!
We have a better DL than we did when Howard was here.
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
True that!
We have some good players who could get better.
It seems like Seymour is old or frustrated, and we could let him go after this year or try to get something for him. (From the Pats perhaps? They could use him and have plenty of draft pics stacked up.)
I like Houston, needs more work though, Kelly is overpaid as is Seymour, Henderson could move to nose and rotate with Houston.
LB’s need much help. Curry and Wimbley are keepers I think Goethel if healthy is also a keeper. The rest are trade bait or cut material.
McClain might fair well in a 3-4, but I could not tell that from how he plays now. I’d give him another year to prove himself if Kevin Greene is coaching him.
Everyone has a plan 'till they get punched in the mouth.
-Mike Tyson
We can't trade Seymour with his contract
no team in there right mind would pay him that much. Goethel isn’t better than McClain. We need to fix this over paid Dline. If we get the right DC and players on the Dline everything else will fix its self.
I guess the Raiders "aren't in there (their) right mind" then.
We are paying him “that much” ($15mil). We need to renegotiate, trade, or cut him. We let go of Nnamdi because we couldn’t afford him. But then pay Routt $10mil. Run the team like a money making business would.
Performance=Pay
I think players should make commission checks and not salaries. Most have incentives in their contracts, but some get paid to sit and do nothing of value.
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-Mike Tyson
He was here last year
Our DLINE has only gotten more sacks that has nothing to do with the run.
But he didn't start.
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
For some reason you all talk like you run the same system from the 70's and 80's and they will work
First you can’t hit people like Jack and George did our you whole defense will be watching the game from home. Could McCain do better sure but LB and DB’s are made to look good by there DLine in a 4-3 You can’t name a top LB in the NFL who doesn’t have a good DLine in front of them.
I could care less about what scheme we use as long as we have a leader that knows it inside and out
I don’t think switching next year is a good idea considering we have few draft picks and little wiggle room in cap space to change the roster a whole lo. I’d rather concentrate on getting a DC that can rally this group and play to the strengths of the roster we have now. This will give our our DC a chance to really see what we have and if he can turn this group into something special. We have some very skilled and talented players…but they lack real direction and seem to have very little accountability out there.
You know what would make a good story? Something about a clown who makes people happy, but inside he's real sad. Also, he has severe diarrhea.
My Point Also...They Don't Play Together As A Cohesive Unit...
It’s the “DL” or the "LB"s or the "DB"s…The right hand doesn’t take care of the left hand…When a blitz is dialed up the rest of that unit goes “Brain Dead”!!!…They play a zone and no one knows who has who so gaping holes are left in the secondary…Than they play man and forget to bump until down field!!!…
We have 2 rookie position coaches back there…Woodson and Ross…A brainless “DC” who doesn’t know how to coordinate anything…Prolley communications from the dark ages that would make that “OHP” look like futuristic technology!!!…Add to that outguessing himself from play to play let alone game to game…
"Tebowphobe"!!!
by PantyRaider on Dec 14, 2011 11:23 AM PST up reply actions
Corection: Ross Is Not A Rookie Position Coach...
"Tebowphobe"!!!
by PantyRaider on Dec 14, 2011 11:27 AM PST up reply actions
+100000
I see technique and skillsets emerging on a few of the guys out there , but it’s like everyone gets a turn at looking good instead of looking like a good defense.
I just feel like the game planning is soft. When you are taught to not lose, then you obviously aren’t working on winning are you?
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by TheDudeAbides138 on Dec 14, 2011 3:00 PM PST up reply actions
Soft gutless game plan + disintegrated (every man for himself) playing = a steaming pile of shite
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by Sons-of-Blanda on Dec 14, 2011 3:02 PM PST up reply actions
Looks Like It Smells!!!
"Tebowphobe"!!!
by PantyRaider on Dec 14, 2011 11:03 PM PST up reply actions
The Rudder Is Broken And The Helm Is Stiff While Capt Jack's Compass Is Spinning In 2 Directions At Once!!!
"Tebowphobe"!!!
Aye, the bilge and crew be drink laden and the captain is cock-eyed, as the self-soiled Gunner (DC) barks orders at phantasms
S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
"George Blanda ... I really believe he is the greatest clutch player in the history of this game." Al Davis
by Sons-of-Blanda on Dec 14, 2011 12:18 PM PST up reply actions
Drink Up Me Hardies Yo Ho!!
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by PantyRaider on Dec 14, 2011 12:54 PM PST up reply actions
Crennel benches Palko; Orton to be Chiefs' QB if healthy
Texans DC Phillips to take leave following kidney surgery
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Lies Lies And More Lies!!!...The List Is Endless!!!
Well…One thing is being proven out very well this season…All that “BS” talk about how Al Davis would never let his "DC"s call the “D” is now without a doubt completely blown out of the freakin water!!!
There’s NO ONE pulling “Suck Chuck”s strings here!!!…This is him doing his best impersonation of the “Blind Leading The Blind Into The Pit”!!!
NO…Ya can’t blame this on Mr Davis!!….NO…There’s no one coming down and changing the game plans!!…Just a “DC” failing to do his job properly!!!
PantyRaider…One More LIE Put To Rest!!!
"Tebowphobe"!!!
Personally I don't think it's the scheme
It’s the way we play within the scheme. We play soft. Bresnahan has no killer instinct. No desire to put his men in a position where they can attack and dominate. The game plan starts with our defense on its heels. They are suppost to read and react, instead of forcing the issue.
However know that I’m down for anything that gets this team to play at the level I believe they can play at. If a 3-4 can manage to put some fear in the hearts of offenses, then so be it I’m on board.
"The Raiders are the Bad Guy Professional Wrestlers of the NFL. Everybody hates us, and loves nothing more then to watch us lose. We got the costumes, we got the facepaint, and the attitude. All we are missing is a bunch of rednecks to start chanting USA USA USA at us..." - ME
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by TheDudeAbides138 on Dec 14, 2011 2:57 PM PST reply actions
3-4
might hurt us, reason is because most of our dline is pass rushers. Maybe if we drafted a 300+ run stuffer then maybe the 3-4 will work. We can barely get pressure with 4 lineman, now put 3 lineman, i doubt we would get in. That means more blitz’s, and that means more yardage for the other team. It may work if we get a defensive specialist like capers or something, but if we sign another ranked 15 against the run & ranked 5 against the pass type of coordinator then we are back to the same defense. LB’s are weak at the moment, with being very thin a MLB, and WLB, it will be hard to do the next man up thing with backups like blackstock.
RAIDER NATION
"There only can be one nation, The Raider Nation"
Actually
The ‘50’ defense is designed to classically develop pressure from the linebackers. The different configurations of blitzes from the lb corp confuse and disorient the offense. It is also heightened by deception because the base is the same so line calls are less effective because the variations are endless.
Don't think 3-4 will happen.
Don’t have the personel and with Hue giving away our high picks we won’t be able to get a 2 gap NT. They are rare and expensive. Like a good steak.
Girlfriend: So the guy who catches the ball is the catcher, right?
Me: No. They are called wide-receivers. Catchers play baseball.
Girlfriend: Samething.
This is stupid
Tommy Kelly and Richard Seymour are two of the best defensive tackles in football. They are playing great football and have together for 2 years.
The first Drauschak.
by birds'n'raiders on Dec 14, 2011 8:03 PM PST reply actions
How Much Effect Has That "Zebra" Had On Out Team This Season???
Not all their fault but most certainly not all ours either….Far too many bogas call!!!
Of the Raiders league-high 130 penalties, 45 resulted in first downs for the opponent. Also, those penalties kept alive drives that resulted in points 16 times.
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I've been rooting for the Raiders
Since they got Palmer, but not this week. Sorry guys, I don’t think you’ll be able to stop Stafford and the gang this week. Great watching Suh and Seymour in the same game though, imagine those two side by side. Yikes.
wish I could feel good about our chances going into this one, but it's hard to after the last couple of weeks
you’ll be getting a healthy Kevin Smith this game too, correct? Not that he’d need to be to gash us for a long TD run. I think I could run for a sixty yarder on our defense.
Who will win the yellow flag contest?
""The massive Raider Nation is beyond doubt the sleaziest and rudest and most sinister mob of thugs and wackos ever assembled."--Hunter S. Thompson
"In football, I root for the Oakland Raiders because they hire castoffs, outlaws, malcontents, and fuck -ups, they have lots of penalties, fights, and paybacks, and because Al Davis told the rest of the pig NFL owners to go get fucked. Someday, the Raiders will be strong again, and they will dip the ball in shit and shove it down the throats of the wholesome, white, heartland teams that pray together and don't deliver late hits." - George Carlin.
I hope they choke on the flags already
Disgusting over penalized season, I’ve gone at it with Pereira over on Twitter a couple times about blown calls/phantom calls, in many games, he doesn’t like me much. ha.
It looks like Smith will play, and I’m thinking I don’t want to be named Carson Palmer Sunday afternoon. Suh mad. ha.
Yikes. Yeah, don't get me started on Pereira. If there's anyone that would be more satisfying to punch in the face when he defends bs
I can’t think of said person when I think of Pereira. I’d have some choice words for him too, if I could actually follow him on twitter without getting myself banned for life for some kind of out of character threat I’d probably make.
""The massive Raider Nation is beyond doubt the sleaziest and rudest and most sinister mob of thugs and wackos ever assembled."--Hunter S. Thompson
"In football, I root for the Oakland Raiders because they hire castoffs, outlaws, malcontents, and fuck -ups, they have lots of penalties, fights, and paybacks, and because Al Davis told the rest of the pig NFL owners to go get fucked. Someday, the Raiders will be strong again, and they will dip the ball in shit and shove it down the throats of the wholesome, white, heartland teams that pray together and don't deliver late hits." - George Carlin.
How much of the playbook does Palmer know?
Is he still learning a game by game plan each week?
I think he's doing fine with the playbook, but needs to learn to temper his risky throws with who we have catching the ball, or lack thereof
He just tried to force too much to happen in the last two weeks against opportunistic defense who no doubt planned to feast on his haphazard ways.
Without the sure hands of Moore, we’re unable to get the sure hands of Reece involved, Bush struggles to break long runs, Ford not there to stretch the field and garner defensive respect, it all compounds itself. I’d just like to see Carson show a facet of his game where he can look like Jason Campbell in his ability to protect the ball in a blatant way. He seems he needs to be a high int. percentage guy all the time, which can’t bode well for us. I need to see him just dish the ball, take safe check down alternatives, and occasionally throw the ball away to get another chance. I think he’s doing fine learning the playbook though. I’m sure we’re also adjusting what plays he gets based on our personnel too, so that probably makes for a larger variety of plays he’d be trying to digest on short time.
""The massive Raider Nation is beyond doubt the sleaziest and rudest and most sinister mob of thugs and wackos ever assembled."--Hunter S. Thompson
"In football, I root for the Oakland Raiders because they hire castoffs, outlaws, malcontents, and fuck -ups, they have lots of penalties, fights, and paybacks, and because Al Davis told the rest of the pig NFL owners to go get fucked. Someday, the Raiders will be strong again, and they will dip the ball in shit and shove it down the throats of the wholesome, white, heartland teams that pray together and don't deliver late hits." - George Carlin.
Well At Least Our 2 Teams Are No Longer Abyss Residers And This Game Actually Means Something To Both!!
This speaks as to how far we have both come…We now have somewhat similar team both fighting it out for the last spot in the "PO"s…The Raiders still have a shot at the AFCW but only if we win and get help…So I’m expecting a very good hard fought contest and only one comes out on top….Or maybe we will tie???
We desperately need this one as do you….GOOOOOoooooooo Raiders!!!
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by PantyRaider on Dec 14, 2011 11:12 PM PST up reply actions
Hey Any given Sunday
and holy hell, the Lions will have an over .500 season for the first time in what seems like a century. We’ll no doubt beat the snot out of the Chargers for you guys, we should have our entire defensive line and all the back ups healthy for that game so it could be frightening.
The 3-4 would be ideal everywhere accept at NT. If they could sign and draft one, the move could go great. McClain is a disappointment so far at MLB, and his character issues are frusterating. But maybe a role reducement and some vetran leadership he could straighten out. Hopefully.
OLB’s would be pretty damn good. Shaughnessy, Wimbley, Curry, Scott. Ideally they’d sign/trade for a vet ILB, and let Curry be the wildcard, playing every LB spot.
The D-line should be fine. A signing may help, but I’m expecting a lot out of Houston next year, especially if he gets to play DE in a 3-4.

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