What The Hell Is Wrong With Raider Nation?
by Raymond St. Martin (Saint) on Dec 15, 2011 6:58 AM PST
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I have to say that I am disgusted by what I have been reading here lately. Seriously!
Show of hands, "How many of you SERIOUSLY thought that this team would be more than 9-7 or 10-6 when the season started?"
Now, how many of you thought that the team could win that many games IF, they lost Jason Campbell, AL DAVIS, Darren McFadden and Matt Shaughnessy before the bye? Not to mention, have only had Jacoby Ford healthy for two games!
I am all for having a sound board for letting the emotions flow, but, I also feel that I have to be the voice of reason or this ship, Silver and Black Pride, in particular, becomes a nesting ground for haters and trolls!
Despite facing the adversity of losing the head of your organization, owner, gm, defensive head coach, head of player personnel, starting quarterback, All World running back, and most improved defensive player this team is 7-6 and only one game out of the Division lead AND the Wild Card.
In Fact, even with all of this adversity, it has taken an act of A-Mazing proportions for the Broncos to even be ahead of Oakland at this time!
I know the pain of this franchise not meeting expectations for nearly a decade, but, that is NOT this team. This team has faced more on the field adversity than any team I can EVER recall, yet, they are still in position for the playoffs? That, in itself, should be lauded!!!
So, move over haters, yes, Hue is a rookie head coach and we KNEW THAT coming into this season. There will be growing pains and lately he has had to be the HC, GM and PP man.
Cut this team some slack, or more importantly cut yourself and those of us who actually LOVE this team some slack by writing your HATE somewhere else. It is growing old.
Question all you want and die with the rest of us when they lose, but, don't beat that drum of hate, because I am through with it.
- Saint
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+1,000,000,000,000,000.99
"THE TIME TO WIN IS NOW" - Coach Hue Jackson
Raider Nation..........we need all hand's on deck or get the hell off the ship! That's the way it's gonna be around here from now on! If trading away a couple of first round draft picks can get you a proven franchise quarterback like Carson Palmer and a legitimate shot at going to the playoffs, then fine...............you know why? Because this team is standing behind it's motto & legacy, "Just Win Baby!" and "Commitment to Excellence" instead of "Suck for Luck" & "Give Up". Imagine if you were a fan of a team that actually bought into that!?!
Cheers,
- Saint
http://SportsnSpaceTalk.freeforums.org/
by The MoonMan 804 on Dec 15, 2011 7:04 AM PST reply actions 3 recs
+2,000,000,000,000,000.99 -n- Bravo!!!
"Tebowphobe"!!!
by PantyRaider on Dec 15, 2011 7:58 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
NICELY DONE
I HAVENT BEEN ABLE TO STAY for a full game in the game threads yet because of all the bitching and whining and gloom. GREAT JOB on something that needed saying
by Canadian Raider on Dec 16, 2011 3:11 AM PST up reply actions
The real question is.....
What the hell is wrong with the Raiders?
Everyone has a plan 'till they get punched in the mouth.
-Mike Tyson
It's not the Offense and it's not the DLand it's not Branch or Curry or Wimbley.
S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
"George Blanda ... I really believe he is the greatest clutch player in the history of this game." Al Davis
by Sons-of-Blanda on Dec 19, 2011 8:20 PM PST up reply actions
It’s the laziness that bugs me…it’s the fact that twice this year we got called for 12 men on the field due to some lazy ass walking towards the sideline and not jogging…it’s the offsides that makes me pissed…not once or twice in a game but like 4 in a quarter…maybe McClain is hurt and looks slow because of injury…so I might give a few people a pass on that…but our team does not show what I was hoping Hue would bring…and I like Hue and think he’s going to get his shot…I just hope we make the right moves in the off season
Excuses.
It all sounds like excuses and if thats what gets you through the night then whatever. Crucial mental breakdowns and head scratching playcalls from Hue have made this season and team losers. The Raiders wont win another game this year.
HEAR HEAR!!!!
I dont post all that often on this site but I read it daily (multiple times a day to be honest). It has been a chore to come to this site over the last two weeks. It’s amazing how expectations have shot up over the coarse of the season. We have some good wins and some tough losses but that’s the way it goes. Unless you can win the super bowl all you can ask for is progress. Progress from the start of the year to the end of it, not necessarily from week to week.
I feel that this team will be better at the start of next year than they were at the beginning of this year. Just my opinion
I know the last two games were hard to watch but remember they all count the same. They count as one. One loss. There is no comment section in the win/loss column.
Nice post Saint. I think you expressed what many fans already think, though we may be the quieter fans.
by CarolinaCanes on Dec 15, 2011 7:11 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
Nice Saint
You should be a coach. I’ll have to admit that slapped me in the face a little bit, which I needed. We can’t give up on the season now especially when we’ve come so far. The Detroit game is a winnable game, and the Broncos are playing the Pats. This will be the first game I have rooted for the Pats since they “beat” us with the Tuck Rule. LEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEET"S GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by BoJackson on Dec 15, 2011 7:13 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
mostly yes, agree and a little no.
Bush is on his contract year and needs to show up every game, he hasn’t produced over the last 2; Seymour is playing hurt and it hurts to watch his lack of production; DHB has regressed as our No. 1 receiver or he simply can’t catch in the cold; we took the #1 LB, coming from the #1 school that plays in the #1 conference, Maclain needs to do more as average isn’t good enough; we were up against the Broncs at home and let it slip; now CP, as mentioned in other posts, he has the best kicking tandem behind him, live another play, don’t turn it over. I agree that losing 20-19 or getting blown out amounts to a loss, hence, it all about winning. The hard pill is that 2 games ago, we controlled our destiny, now, we need help. The only thing that needs to get done is winning the next game. Very doable.
Agree about Ro. I was expecting more from him. DHB has not regressed this year IMHO, he just showed flashes towards the beginning of the year. He is close to the same as he was last year, though I would say slightly improved.
He has regressed from his high point THIS year, I will agree with you on that.
and like you said, lets just win the next game. Is funny how winning cures everything.
by CarolinaCanes on Dec 15, 2011 7:37 AM PST up reply actions
I'd say DHB is a little more than slightly improved
Just look at his stats…he has doubled his receptions and yards each year. He’s still a work in progress but he’s out there making a difference for this team this year…never could say that before. He still needs to make more catches with his hands rather than his body and he needs to catch more passes on the go and run more routes than just hitches but it’s progress and I think if he gets the confidence going he can keep getting better. He may never be a true #1 WR but he can make a difference for this team.
You know what would make a good story? Something about a clown who makes people happy, but inside he's real sad. Also, he has severe diarrhea.
by Buster Bluth on Dec 15, 2011 7:45 AM PST up reply actions
I want to se DHB instead of running the same damn streak all the time
Actually running a deep outside post in the slot – some sort of thing that causes the defender to change direction to allow separation.
I like DHB; he’s actually been our most consistent (lol) receiver, in my mind.
I am a Raider Fan. But I also a player's person as well.
by NFLanalyzerfromhome on Dec 15, 2011 7:54 AM PST up reply actions
I do like DHB
I have also been encouraged from what I’ve seen this year. I guess a better way to say it is I still see alot of the same ol’ DHB at times and then I see major improvement at others. I know that sounds contradictory but I guess this is the tale of two DHB’s in away. But over all I am very much encouraged and think he will shed alot of the criticism if he continues with his improvement.
by CarolinaCanes on Dec 15, 2011 8:29 AM PST up reply actions
The Key With DHB:
DHB was working out regularly with Jason Campbell in the off-season because they lived close together. JC also knew a bit about Al Saunders’ playbook and that helped.
Vast boars and huge gigantic bull
Elephants, rams, eagles, condors...
- J Kerouac
by Raymond St. Martin (Saint) on Dec 15, 2011 8:31 AM PST up reply actions
+1
That’s why I believe we saw an improvement.
I am a Raider Fan. But I also a player's person as well.
by NFLanalyzerfromhome on Dec 15, 2011 8:32 AM PST up reply actions
Good point.
I didn’t even consider the WR’s problems with the qb change. I was looked at it from the other prospective (the qb’s) I guess I little change in prospective changes everything.
by CarolinaCanes on Dec 15, 2011 8:41 AM PST up reply actions
My point with DHB
was yes he EARNED the #1 spot this year through his play BUT you can’t go to GB and drop 3 passes in the first half. I was too hard above, just disapointed with his drops. What I liked with JC is that he got the whole picture – we have (had) a great run game, take your occasional shots downfield led by our speed, don’t take a sack to get us out of field goal, and don’t turn it over. He had a brain freeze against the Pat but he got that winning was most important. Palmer, perhaps because he needs to prove his draft pick worth, is trying to do it all by himself. The picks are killing us. If, the tantalizing if, we can get to Strafford, we can win this game; it’s really that simple as the defence need to show up to get us field position.
by raiders4liffe on Dec 15, 2011 9:20 AM PST up reply actions
Sacks-#4 Tie…….."OL"-#14...That's The Raider's "DL" Against The Lion's "OL"
Otherwise or “D” is going to have it’s hands full with this match-up:
Raiders “D”……………..Lions “O”
"D"-#26……………."O"-#10
Pass-#17…………..Pass-#5
Scoring-#28……….Scoring-#4
The only blessing they are not a good running team and their “D” is not good against the run…
Raiders “O”………….Lions “D”
Rush-#6……………Rush-#27
"Tebowphobe"!!!
stats, stats, and freaking lies
we’re missing strong playmakers who pumped those stats. It is what it is. Next man up, do the job, you’re wearing the jersey, no excuses, get a win. “any means necessary” as it’s do or die.
by raiders4liffe on Dec 15, 2011 11:00 AM PST up reply actions
Just What Do You See As Exaggerated Here???...Be Specific!!
- Rush “O”??….That’s down from the #1/#2 that we were before…
- “D”…Just where the hell would you put us
Pass-#17 “D”?…How the hell is this inflated???
Scoring-#28 “D”??….Oh! Ya!!..Now that’s gotta be an exaggeration…
LoL!!…Nothing like biting off more than you can chew!!!
"Tebowphobe"!!!
by PantyRaider on Dec 15, 2011 11:16 AM PST up reply actions
"D"-#26...Pass "D"-#17...
"Tebowphobe"!!!
by PantyRaider on Dec 15, 2011 11:18 AM PST up reply actions
Yes...We Are The #6 Rush "O"...Nolonger The #1/#2...
"Tebowphobe"!!!
by PantyRaider on Dec 15, 2011 11:44 AM PST up reply actions
This feeds trolls more than people being upset
Every fan base is happy when a team wins and sad when a team loses. Our fan base has suffered through 10 consecutive poor seasons, so its understandable that people are upset about watching our 7-4 season start to crumble down the stretch, and needing a semi miracle to make the playoffs.
People are also upset about the two consecutive games in which we were down 34-0 before putting up any sort of “fight”.
+1
Although he is right about how many of us probably wouldn’t think we would win 9-10 games with all of our guys injured like this.
However, with how slow our offense has become and how terrible our defense is, I cannot see us winning all of the next three games, honestly. Stafford is getting better from his index finger injury, and Suh is coming back, which will give a huge boost to that D-Line. And forget the offense – unless we fix our defense and FAST, we’re gonna struggle.
And then add on the most recent list of injuries…Huff, CJ (mental), Henderson, just to name a few, we’re struggling hard.
I asked Tafur about what he thinks will happen in the of season FA wise, and he said maybe some changes in the Defense, which I will be excited about. However, a quote that Tafur said resonated with me: “Hue’s input could depend on how 3 games go.”
That, I will be interested to see. Because Free Agency next year is our draft. And like it or not, we have to make the playoffs next year. For Hue, I believe it’s Playoffs or Bust.
But back to the three games: DET, @KC, SD. I believe that DET will be a L, and I will also kile to point out that when it comes to Division matches, Throw away the books because it can go any way.
DET is now an absolute Must Win. And the San Diego game WILL decide the AFC West; I believe that if NE shows everybody how to beat Tebow, the same will happen the next two games.
It’s time for us, injured or not, to do our damn jobs. Play defense, get first downs, Not throw picks, NOT CAUSE PENALTIES, and just win. Ugly or blowout, JUST Win. I don’t care if we are 1 and done in the playoffs; JUST WIN, and GET IN.
I am a Raider Fan. But I also a player's person as well.
by NFLanalyzerfromhome on Dec 15, 2011 7:49 AM PST up reply actions
Amen Saint!
I am a life long Raider fan (28 years and counting) but I just started following this site this year. Mainly because of your coverage during the shortened training camps, which were both in depth and entertaining. Throughout the year I have read every article on here. I was surprised and disheartened to read all the negativity and panic this week. Like you said despite everything we are still in it. Everyone just calm the F down. It looks like we might finally get Moore and Ford back this week, which will be huge not only for the team but for Carson. There is still some football left guys don’t hit that panic button just yet. Lastly I am 100 % sure that the Tebow “Magic” fades down the stretch. Law of averages, or just plain common sense tells me that they will lose two out of their last three. We just need to buckle down and win out.
by RaiderBruin on Dec 15, 2011 7:37 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
It's easy to forget our expectations for this season before it started
I predicted a 9-7 finish this year and the fact that we are on pace for that despite all the turmoil and speed bumps listed above is an accomplishment nonetheless. I think a lot of the disappointment felt by some is simply due to the fact that the division was/is up for grabs with the downfall of the former division champs and the ineptitude of the chargers. Plus watching a team like the Broncos surging ahead of us I think has just left a bad taste in everyone’s mouth…not to mention the 24/7 Tebow coverage.
Overall…just having something to play for at this point in the season is a breath of fresh air after being mathematically eliminated by week 9 most of the past few years.
You know what would make a good story? Something about a clown who makes people happy, but inside he's real sad. Also, he has severe diarrhea.
Agreed!!
I was figuring on a 9-7 record and had my fingers crossed for 10-6 with a Division Playoff. Then at the bye , I think even the TEAM was thinking they were on their way into the playoff’s, without question. Then the wheels fell off. Injuries, of course, but it was like the defense COMPLETELY stopped looking like they had for the first 5 games. I realize the team won 3 games AFTER the bye, but they were NOT playing the same. I WANT to be positive, but I WANT to see that from the TEAM as well. It looks like even THEY believe ther are going to get beat.
You're going to get a few different types of responses to a loss
“Woe is me- we’re doomed forever.”
“If I was the GM, this is what I would do (usually followed by QB change, firing entire coaching staff)”
“It’s still sunshine and rainbows, the loss was just a freak thing”
or
“Ha Ha”
Having said that, who, exactly, is on our training staff? Why can’t we get anyone back on the field?
If there is one area of the team that needs to be gutted:
It is the training staff. They need to get younger and they need to bring in some high tech healing and prep machines. Cold Tubs are not enough anymore.
Vast boars and huge gigantic bull
Elephants, rams, eagles, condors...
- J Kerouac
by Raymond St. Martin (Saint) on Dec 15, 2011 8:15 AM PST up reply actions
Truth.
These injuries, with the EPIDEMIC that they have become, are UNACCEPTABLE.
I am a Raider Fan. But I also a player's person as well.
by NFLanalyzerfromhome on Dec 15, 2011 8:18 AM PST up reply actions
ESPN
Mark Schlereth said something last week that hit home. “If the Raiders played clean they would have two more wins”. I believe he is correct. This goes back to coaching and lack of discipline.
We can be positive and yell at the games till we can’t talk the next day, but the team has to change to win.
It also points out:
A lack of cohesion and a lack of prep time for new units to gel.
Vast boars and huge gigantic bull
Elephants, rams, eagles, condors...
- J Kerouac
by Raymond St. Martin (Saint) on Dec 15, 2011 8:15 AM PST up reply actions
yup
"THE TIME TO WIN IS NOW" - Coach Hue Jackson
Raider Nation..........we need all hand's on deck or get the hell off the ship! That's the way it's gonna be around here from now on! If trading away a couple of first round draft picks can get you a proven franchise quarterback like Carson Palmer and a legitimate shot at going to the playoffs, then fine...............you know why? Because this team is standing behind it's motto & legacy, "Just Win Baby!" and "Commitment to Excellence" instead of "Suck for Luck" & "Give Up". Imagine if you were a fan of a team that actually bought into that.......
Cheers,
- Saint
http://SportsnSpaceTalk.freeforums.org/
by The MoonMan 804 on Dec 17, 2011 8:15 AM PST up reply actions
For The Record I Was Wrong...11-n-5 Can Not Happen Now But That's What I Expected..
But NOT with all the adversity this team has suffered threw including the personal problems of players…And NOT with “Suck-Chuck”s performance at “DC”…
Also Of Note:
Be glad you have any football to pout about after all that was this past off-season and that “CBA”/Lock-Out CRAP!!!…Damn your memory is short!!
"Tebowphobe"!!!
Not giving up on the season, just not getting my hopes up to make it into the playoffs.
I still think the Broncos will choke and lose 2 out of their last 3 games. On the other hand, just two short weeks ago, we all were riding high with a 7-4 record.. Now were a game back with just 3 to go.
Teams have to play their best football in the month of December, but the Raiders are playing their worst of the season and it’s taking it’s toll on the fans.
Yes, this team is plagued with injury, but they were winning even with injury just a short time ago. If the Raiders played better in the last two games, I think most of us would feel better about this team. I can understand why the offense is struggling, but the defense has been a no show and it’s time for them to wake the hell up or pack it in and go home.
Romo said it best!! We need wild boar hunters on defense, not Safeway bacon shoppers. There’s no excuse for the play on defense, the talent is there, so what’s the problem? Not to mention the coaches are being out coached big time.
It’s been a hell of a season and I’m still proud of this football team. You have to wonder what could have been if McFadden, Moore and Ford could have stayed healthy?
One more thing, why is coach Jackson string us along about McFadden? Every week over the last 3 weeks, I get my hopes up for his return, because McFadden is a game changer. I’m more disappointed of being stung along than just being told the truth about McFadden. Jackson says McFadden will play again this year, I seriously doubt he will.
Until the Raiders are mathematically out of it, I have hope. I’m just not going to get pissed off if they don’t, because I’m done being pissed off over the last two weeks.
Ive been saying the same thing
with the exception of Bresnahan, he and the single high safety defense need to go , but not til the off season. Well Bresnahan could go now, but the scheme will have to be lived with until the off season.
When we get a GM, they can all reflect on the season as it was and what to do about the future.
"Now I know what your thinking, did he fire six shots or only five. Ive forgotten myself in all this excitement, but being that this is the 44 magnum, the most powerful handgun in the world and could blow your head clean off, you have to ask your question. Do I feel lucky? Well do ya punk!"
Dirty Harry Callahan
A distinction should be made between criticism and hating. The Raiders are my team going way back and when I
see things that need correction week after week then they need to be pointed out. Too much sweeping under the rug here and after games post mortem.
S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
"George Blanda ... I really believe he is the greatest clutch player in the history of this game." Al Davis
by Sons-of-Blanda on Dec 15, 2011 8:09 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
+1
I am a Raider Fan. But I also a player's person as well.
by NFLanalyzerfromhome on Dec 15, 2011 8:09 AM PST up reply actions
++1
YES- Stop having the “we need to do better” and “it’s my fault” post game discussions and start looking at what NEEDs to be done and coach!
Talk Is Just "HC" Politics...Remeber It The "Mediot"s That Are Asking The Questions...
"Tebowphobe"!!!
But these HC Politics are what gets you fired.
Because let’s be honest; That’s why Sparano is gone; the changes were always made too late.
I am a Raider Fan. But I also a player's person as well.
by NFLanalyzerfromhome on Dec 15, 2011 8:20 AM PST up reply actions
I Wasn't Speaking About Changes I Was Replying To The Injury Report Politics...
No similarity there…It’s just political talk and shouldn’t be taken so seriously form under our “Cone-o-Silence”!!
"Tebowphobe"!!!
As far as injuries go,
I get it. and usually, I would be fine with it.
However, I think it’s just this year with ALL of the injuries we had….
I am a Raider Fan. But I also a player's person as well.
by NFLanalyzerfromhome on Dec 15, 2011 8:23 AM PST up reply actions
What Did Gruden Always Say??..The Same Damn Thing Over -n- Over..'We Need To Tighten That Up"!!
I don’t remember anyone getting on his ass for that do you??
"Tebowphobe"!!!
No, you're right.
I agree with you.
It’s just that with all the injuries we had this year…I never remember it being this bad.
I am a Raider Fan. But I also a player's person as well.
by NFLanalyzerfromhome on Dec 15, 2011 8:27 AM PST up reply actions
It doesn't help when Hue repeats the same messages over and over again...it gets frustrating
You know what would make a good story? Something about a clown who makes people happy, but inside he's real sad. Also, he has severe diarrhea.
by Buster Bluth on Dec 15, 2011 10:58 AM PST up reply actions
Objectively my team sucks
Does that mean I don’t love them? Hell no. I know it needs to get better because I love them.
PS Roll the Panda
John
RAIDERS - AS ROMA - WARRIORS - CANUCKS - MUAY THAI
~R.I.P. Patrick Patterson~
by Ionnes on Dec 15, 2011 11:44 AM PST up reply actions
agreed saint
ALL things considered the raiders have over acheived at 7 wins today.
by rat, el rat, mr. rat, the rat on Dec 15, 2011 8:10 AM PST via mobile reply actions
OK...Time For Some Hope!!...This Is The AFC "PO" Match-Up For Week #15: Who Will Advance??
Raiders 7-6 vs Lions 8-5…
“O”-#12……………“D”-#17
Pass-#16………….Pass-#9
Rush-#6……………Rush-#27
Scoring-#16……….Scoring-#23 Tie
“OL”-#5…………….Sacks-#9 Tie
………………………Int’s-#2 Tie
“D”-#26…………….“O”-#10
Pass-#17…………..Pass-#5
Rush-#29…………..Rush-#24
Scoring-#28……….Scoring-#4
Sacks-#4 Tie……..“OL”-#14
Int’s-#10 Tie
“NE” 10-3 vs “Donkey” 8-5…
“O”-#2……………..“D”-#19
Pass-#2……………Pass-#16
Rush-#21………….Rush-#21
Scoring-#3………..Scoring-#22
“OL”-#6……………Sacks-#4 Tie
………………………Int’s-#25 Tie
“D”-#32…………….“O”-#20
Pass-#32…………..Pass-#31
Rush-#13…………..Rush-#1
Scoring-#14………..Scoring-#21
Sacks-#17 Tie…….“OL”-#19
Int’s-#2 Tie
“SD” 6-7 vs Bal 10-3…
“O”-#8……………….“D”-#2
Pass-#7……………..Pass-#5
Rush-#16……………Rush-#2
Scoring-#7………….Scoring-#3
“OL”-#18…………….Sacks-#1
………………………..Int’s-#14 Tie
“D”-#8………………..“O”-#14
Pass-#7……………..Pass-#15
Rush-#23……………Rush-#23
Scoring-#21………..Scoring-#9
Sacks-#29…………“OL”-#8
Int’s-#14 Tie
Jets 8-5 vs Philly 5-8
“O”-#25…………….“D”-#11
Pass-#21…………..Pass-#12
Rush-#22…………..Rush-#18
Scoring-#6…………Scoring-#20
“OL”-#16……………Sacks-#2
……………………….Int’s-#19
“D”-#6………………“O”-#4
Pass-#6…………….Pass-#11
Rush-#14…………..Rush-#3
Scoring-#12 Tie…..Scoring-#15
Sacks-#17 Tie…….“OL”-#12
Int’s-#10 Tie
Pitts 10-3 vs “SF” 10-3
“O”-#2………………“D”-#5
Pass-#9…………….Pass-#18
Rush-#17…………..Rush-#1
Scoring-#19………..Scoring-#1
“OL”-#25……………Sacks-#14 Tie
……………………….Int’s-#2 Tie
“D”-#1……………….“O”-#26
Pass-#1……………..Pass-#29
Rush-#6……………..Rush-#7
Scoring-#2…………..Scoring-#12
Sacks-#16………….“OL”-#27
Int’s-#20 Tie
Cinn 7-6 vs StL 2-11
“O”-#20………………“D”-#25
Pass-#19……………..Pass-#8
Rush-#19……………..Rush-#32
Scoring-#18………….Scoring-#25
“OL”-#3……………….Sacks-#9 Tie
………………………….Int’s-#20 Tie
“D”-#7………………..“O”-#30
Pass-#11…………….Pass-#28
Rush-#7………………Rush-#27
Scoring-#12 Tie…….Scoring-#32
Sacks-#6 Tie……….“OL”-#32
Int’s-#28 Tie
Tenn 7-6 vs Indy 0-14…
“O”-#19………………“D”-#28
Pass-#14…………….Pass-#21
Rush-#30…………….Rush-#30
Scoring-#22………….Scoring-#32
“OL”-#2……………….Sacks-#30
…………………………Int’s-#31 Tie
“D”-#22……………….“O”-#31
Pass-#20…………….Pass-#27
Rush-#20…………….Rush-#28
Scoring-#6…………..Scoring-#29
Sacks-#27…………..“OL”-#15
Int’s-#20 Tie
"Tebowphobe"!!!
saint
This forum is rather skewed in thier fire the word, wheels have fallen off, Wtf is wrong w the raiders, etc.
This seems to be a 180 from.what I believe to be the opinion of the majority.
My observations….
by rat, el rat, mr. rat, the rat on Dec 15, 2011 8:18 AM PST via mobile reply actions
I will admit my outlook has become rather bleak and my confidence is shaken, but my words can never be mistaken for hate
not that I felt singled out.
I did predict 10-6, I expected we’d face some hardships and troubles, and also expected a lot of penalties with the offseason such as it was. The league is a testament to that. My biggest problem is that despite all that, I still expected a couple of wins in games we lost, but more importantly, I expected to see the Raiders team I know that can show up—to fight for four quarters and look like a team in a game that can take control of its destiny. I saw none of that in the last two weeks, and until I see a marked change otherwise, it’s really hard for me to boldy predict that team will suddenly show up for these final three weeks.
This team has fought through adversity and finds itself in a decent situation considering, but it remains largely a disappointment to me at the moment. Am I ruling out the possiblity they can SURPRISE ME with great play for the final three games? No way.
I’m just saying at this point the team, our staff, and our coaches—really need to show us something. We as fans deserve it.
""The massive Raider Nation is beyond doubt the sleaziest and rudest and most sinister mob of thugs and wackos ever assembled."--Hunter S. Thompson
"In football, I root for the Oakland Raiders because they hire castoffs, outlaws, malcontents, and fuck -ups, they have lots of penalties, fights, and paybacks, and because Al Davis told the rest of the pig NFL owners to go get fucked. Someday, the Raiders will be strong again, and they will dip the ball in shit and shove it down the throats of the wholesome, white, heartland teams that pray together and don't deliver late hits." - George Carlin.
You're right
I expected to see the Raiders team I know that can show up—to fight for four quarters and look like a team in a game that can take control of its destiny. I saw none of that in the last two weeks
Those last two games were on the road in the eastern time zone as was the debacle in Buffalo.
For whatever reason this team does not travel well that far across the country.
Maybe Hue should take the team to these far off locals right away and practice there and get used to the time difference and be together as a team and maybe gel some, maybe they wouldn’t come out so freakin flat.
There is something to be said for sleeping in your own bed and practicing here, but this team looks soft and they need a little hardship in their lives and maybe taking them on the road early and staying on the road in between if (like the Green Bay game) we have two games back there in a row is the answer.
All I know is the way it’s going ain’t working, not that I expected us to beat Green Bay, but I did expect us to beat Miami and Buffalo.
If we had, we’d be 9-4 right now and no one would be sniveling at all.
"Now I know what your thinking, did he fire six shots or only five. Ive forgotten myself in all this excitement, but being that this is the 44 magnum, the most powerful handgun in the world and could blow your head clean off, you have to ask your question. Do I feel lucky? Well do ya punk!"
Dirty Harry Callahan
Painful, true enough
but with the QB change over and the Boller factor those two games, painful though they may be are understandable.
"Now I know what your thinking, did he fire six shots or only five. Ive forgotten myself in all this excitement, but being that this is the 44 magnum, the most powerful handgun in the world and could blow your head clean off, you have to ask your question. Do I feel lucky? Well do ya punk!"
Dirty Harry Callahan
read a good article on NFL.com about that, and how the 10 teams that travelled the most had tough road records
with Miami being the top traveller and being the lone exception, with I believe 6-2 road record. Impressive, but there’s definitely a correlation, especially for teams travelling east.
""The massive Raider Nation is beyond doubt the sleaziest and rudest and most sinister mob of thugs and wackos ever assembled."--Hunter S. Thompson
"In football, I root for the Oakland Raiders because they hire castoffs, outlaws, malcontents, and fuck -ups, they have lots of penalties, fights, and paybacks, and because Al Davis told the rest of the pig NFL owners to go get fucked. Someday, the Raiders will be strong again, and they will dip the ball in shit and shove it down the throats of the wholesome, white, heartland teams that pray together and don't deliver late hits." - George Carlin.
It is easier to travel east to west than west to east
probably explains Miami.
The way that the Raiders have played back east it looks like their body clocks are hungover and they think it’s 3AM
"Now I know what your thinking, did he fire six shots or only five. Ive forgotten myself in all this excitement, but being that this is the 44 magnum, the most powerful handgun in the world and could blow your head clean off, you have to ask your question. Do I feel lucky? Well do ya punk!"
Dirty Harry Callahan
Yeah, that must have been it that 5 1/5 hour flight and 3 hour bio-clock change posed an insurmountable obstacle
S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
"George Blanda ... I really believe he is the greatest clutch player in the history of this game." Al Davis
by Sons-of-Blanda on Dec 15, 2011 2:32 PM PST up reply actions
it's not just us
Most teams from the West Coast (minus the niners this year) have trouble traveling east. I’m not saying it as an excuse just as a fact, remember the Buffalo game? Add to that the loss of our big play makers and a QB learning the system and you have a recipe for what we’ve witnessed the last couple of weeks. It all has to start with the offense, because our defense is a joke and has been all year and cannot keep us in games
If the Raiders come out Sunday and resemble a team that still has playoff aspirations and win, then I feel this is as good an explanation as any for the recent shit storm from the east. We shall see.
I do realize that to be a championship team we will need to overcome this obstacle, it just doesn’t seem to be something we’re capable of doing right now.
"Now I know what your thinking, did he fire six shots or only five. Ive forgotten myself in all this excitement, but being that this is the 44 magnum, the most powerful handgun in the world and could blow your head clean off, you have to ask your question. Do I feel lucky? Well do ya punk!"
Dirty Harry Callahan
Fortunately, jet lag seems to help us - we've won every home game after flying back the previous week.
S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
"George Blanda ... I really believe he is the greatest clutch player in the history of this game." Al Davis
by Sons-of-Blanda on Dec 15, 2011 3:07 PM PST up reply actions
We gain time coming back, so the Raiders are fully awake! LOL
I hope that means were gonna win this week.
Another theory, let’s see how it plays out.
I’ll take any sherd of hope at this point!
If they fuck it up this week then we’re as good as done.
I do hope they realize that, sometimes I wonder if anything is getting through to them.
"Now I know what your thinking, did he fire six shots or only five. Ive forgotten myself in all this excitement, but being that this is the 44 magnum, the most powerful handgun in the world and could blow your head clean off, you have to ask your question. Do I feel lucky? Well do ya punk!"
Dirty Harry Callahan
I know Im not a Raiders fan but
I do know how a lot of you feel, as I am a long suffering Lions fan. I don’t think 8-8 or 9-7 is out of the question for the Raiders despite all of the bad luck/injuries that has hurt this team. I believe the Raiders could still make the playoffs with a 9-7 record if the Jets falter. Don’t give up hope Raider fans, even if they don’t make it this year they aren’t far off from being a division winner next year. I think 8-8 even is a good year with all things considered. Good luck to you all and see ya Sunday.
From 0-16 to the Superbowl baby!
by DLions4Eva on Dec 15, 2011 8:28 AM PST via mobile reply actions 1 recs
The Jets Stand A Very Good Chance Of Losing To Philly...
Tobow is totally out matched against “NE”..No way their “D” can hang!!
“SD” will be out of it after Baltimore takes them down…
Cinn/Tenn will prolley win and go to 8-6
Raiders have a very tough match-up this week but doable…We have to win and go to 8-6…If not we’re falling behind Cinn and Tenn too…It’s do or die now and I have to believe this team will be up for it…But also have to believe that the lions will be up for it too…So it’s a tough one…
"Tebowphobe"!!!
You'll be energized by this...
http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-films-sound-efx/09000d5d8250f44d/Sound-FX-Tim-Tebow
S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
"George Blanda ... I really believe he is the greatest clutch player in the history of this game." Al Davis
by Sons-of-Blanda on Dec 17, 2011 4:31 AM PST up reply actions
+1
I am a Raider Fan. But I also a player's person as well.
by NFLanalyzerfromhome on Dec 15, 2011 8:31 AM PST up reply actions
thanks man.
as long as we don’t regress, I think we’ll be good.
""The massive Raider Nation is beyond doubt the sleaziest and rudest and most sinister mob of thugs and wackos ever assembled."--Hunter S. Thompson
"In football, I root for the Oakland Raiders because they hire castoffs, outlaws, malcontents, and fuck -ups, they have lots of penalties, fights, and paybacks, and because Al Davis told the rest of the pig NFL owners to go get fucked. Someday, the Raiders will be strong again, and they will dip the ball in shit and shove it down the throats of the wholesome, white, heartland teams that pray together and don't deliver late hits." - George Carlin.
Lions could probably to
8-8 too and come back strong next year…
Pride & Poise Raider Blog:
http://theoaklandraiders.wordpress.com/
by David Rockwood on Dec 15, 2011 2:40 PM PST up reply actions
Even with all this team has face there is no reason
to play sloppy. I understand DMC is hurt but why can’t the defense pick up to level the team out. Good teams wins no matter what. I don’t see the Texans saying our starting QB and back-up are out the season is over. No they are playing football. We aren’t a good team not because of injury but because we don’t have a winning mindset. If calling the team like I see it is hating I will be that but we have a bunch of lazy guys on field who think they are better than they are.
I expected this team 10-6
but that was assuming Mcfadden was going to be healthy again, and that Moore and Ford would actually be playing a full season…
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
Amen Saint
Point very well taken….sometimes we get caught up in the hype! When it’s all said and done we are building upon a team that will be a force in the AFC…soon!! Just Win Baby!!
by Eric The MadMan on Dec 15, 2011 9:06 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
"You are what your record says you are"
We’re not 8-8 nor 9-7. As SOB mentioned about the hate distinction; at this stage, we’re no longer 7-4 leading the division. We need to face a possible reality and it’s not hating; the way we’re playing with no D, multiple picks, no running game, banged up star players, I’m just saying, but wins when guys are either fighting for a playoff spot or simply jobs are not handed out, I don’t want to say it but just saying… we’re do or die, playoff mode. If we do not win this weekend, we may not win again this year. It is that urgent/desperate to beat the Lions. It’s our season right there.
Our Season Was On The Line When We Went To Maimi...We All Knew It...That Loss Gave Tebow An Edge!!
Now we need help and maybe allot of it??…“NE” and “KC” with their new interim “HC” and Orton as the designated starter playing in the “MuleValley”….
Buffalo doesn’t give much hope the way they’re playing lately and that cold ass weather doesn’t affect the “MuleHeads”…But than Tebow is a south Florida boy so maybe it does do him harm….
Time to Tebow for some pain!!!
"Tebowphobe"!!!
Yup
Division games are tough. Most times they are close games. It would make my season for the Raider to beat SD on 1/1/2012 and have SD end up 7-9. Bye-Bye Norvel…
by Mallard Davis on Dec 15, 2011 9:43 AM PST up reply actions
Why do you want Norv fired?
What if SD gets a good coach to replace him?
"KC" Is Looking At McDaniels...Is That A "HC" That Scares You??..Their Options May be Narrow??
1st off a man has to desire to work under their arrangement which ain’t too pretty of late…Look how much trouble Elway had bringing in anyone willing to interview for their vacant job…Who do you think will want to come to “SD” with tald of escaping to “LA”???
"Tebowphobe"!!!
by PantyRaider on Dec 15, 2011 11:08 AM PST up reply actions
Aj smith is going to get fired unless they miracle into a playoff spot again
If you think SD isn’t an attractive gig youre crazy
by lchristmas on Dec 15, 2011 11:28 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
Haley scared me more
He was creative, innovative. The way their offense came out shooting against a superior team like the Patriots. You can’t make chicken salad out of chicken s**t, which is what Palko is. And they replace him with a guy that was fired by the Browns.
Of all the potential teams looking for a coach
Which team has a better QB situation going forward? Or which team has more talent on its roster?
Jacksonville? KC? Washington? Tampa? St. Louis? Buffalo?
The only situations that would potentially be better are Philadelphia and New York Giants and I’m not sold on either of those coaches getting canned.
I would like norv to be coach for life
by lchristmas on Dec 15, 2011 11:26 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
Exactly
I hope they win just enough games to keep him around year after year. At least until Rivers and Vincent Jackson are gone.
LoL!!...Another Raider Nation "CopyCat" Move!!...
Some fans put up a billboard add to A; Davis and now it spreads threw the NFL…Tebow gets pimped on a billboard and is now the #1 "PB"er??…So now “SD” tries the same with a web site…Remarkable how the Raiders are such Trendsetters…
"Tebowphobe"!!!
SD
Their problems are more than HC right now. They lost all kinds of talent and have not replaced them. Maybe they will bring Mike Riley back!
by Mallard Davis on Dec 15, 2011 11:39 AM PST up reply actions
Although I fully agree with you,
We need to wait and see.
I am a Raider Fan. But I also a player's person as well.
by NFLanalyzerfromhome on Dec 15, 2011 9:50 AM PST up reply actions
Although I Fully Disagree With You Nice Try Anyway!!
Consider what we would have been these past 6 weeks suffering threw the “Bi-Boller” Disorder!!
Considering all the tears after the past 2 weeks I wouldn’t even want to imagine the state of affairs had Hue not gone after Palmer…
"Tebowphobe"!!!
by PantyRaider on Dec 15, 2011 10:01 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
How
Can you say this for certain? There are still obvious concerns with Palmer regading ball control, and his ability to connect with receivers. His interception’s are like a rookie QB, and he looks just as lost a Boller did.
by Joesickness on Dec 15, 2011 10:15 AM PST up reply actions
+1
if we had stuck with Boller we’d be 4- 9 and these same guys would be calling for Hues head.
It can’t be overstated what the loss of Al, JC and the change to a new QB who was sitting out with no knowledge of this offense has done to this team, not to mention the injuries to key play makers on offense and the fact that Palmer has never had his full complement of weapons since he came here.
"Now I know what your thinking, did he fire six shots or only five. Ive forgotten myself in all this excitement, but being that this is the 44 magnum, the most powerful handgun in the world and could blow your head clean off, you have to ask your question. Do I feel lucky? Well do ya punk!"
Dirty Harry Callahan
This is the only reason why I said we need to wait and see.
I am a Raider Fan. But I also a player's person as well.
by NFLanalyzerfromhome on Dec 15, 2011 10:20 AM PST up reply actions
Can we agree
That the price paid for Palmer was, as most of us suspected, far too high?
by Joesickness on Dec 15, 2011 10:21 AM PST up reply actions
Of course.
I am a Raider Fan. But I also a player's person as well.
by NFLanalyzerfromhome on Dec 15, 2011 10:22 AM PST up reply actions
OK- I think
That was the main point of Roberts post; that trading top pics for Palmer set us back. 4 years is a stretch, but possibly for the next 2, but ANYTHING can happen any given year.
by Joesickness on Dec 15, 2011 10:23 AM PST up reply actions
How come anytime we trade a draft pick
it was always going to be used for the greatest player that ever lived if we’d had it.
Hell we could have drafted JaFatass II and Matt Stinkbomb II with those picks.
We will never know for sure, so saying it will set us back is pure speculation and his opinion.
Palmer could lead us to a Super Bowl win next year…would that be considered a set back? Now there is some speculation for you… and if we had any sort of defense at all, that might be a possibility!
"Now I know what your thinking, did he fire six shots or only five. Ive forgotten myself in all this excitement, but being that this is the 44 magnum, the most powerful handgun in the world and could blow your head clean off, you have to ask your question. Do I feel lucky? Well do ya punk!"
Dirty Harry Callahan
by rambis64 on Dec 15, 2011 11:06 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Okay enough
Palmer isn’t leading nobody to the Superbowl. You could put Palmer on the Packers he would set them back. Palmer is an upgrade of JC as far as the Deep ball goes but every thing else I don’t see it. Turnover JC not taking the sack JC throwing the ball away JC. Palmer is going to throw for more touchdowns but he is going to throw a ton of picks. the only way we are going to win a super bowl While Palmer is the QB is if we make a big upgrade on Defense.
Are You Trying To Fit This Post With All The Constant Negativity??
Be the “PosterChild”???
"Tebowphobe"!!!
Every thing I said is the truth Palmer has more picks been sacked more
I am sorry I don’t live in lala world with some of you. This team really isn’t that good. We played really one good game this against our AFC west Chargers who we all know isn’t that good. There are only a few QB in the NFL who can lead a team to a Super Bowl Palmer has never been one of them. Peyton, Brady, Rodgers, Brees. I said Rivers but he has played like Crap this year. Every other QB in the game has a defense that lifts them up. Until our defense can carry this team we won’t win a super bowl. Thats what I am saying we need a upgrade on defense until then we will be stuck right here 8-8 to 10-6 missing the playoffs.
Do you think we are more likely to go to the Super Bowl
with Palmer, JC or some other unnamed QB.
The fact is we’re going no where near the Super Bowl without a massive upgrade on defense and I mean DC, scheme and players.
As far as QB’s go Palmer is our best chance to reach the promise land.
All of you who are discounting him now haven’t even given him enough time to really get his feet under him in this offense or even work with all the weapons that he may one day have at his disposal.
All this negativity seems knee jerk and premature to me.
Not to say that I’m not pissed off about our sub-par performances the last two games… I am, but with all the injury and other extenuating circumstances I can see why it might have happened.
"Now I know what your thinking, did he fire six shots or only five. Ive forgotten myself in all this excitement, but being that this is the 44 magnum, the most powerful handgun in the world and could blow your head clean off, you have to ask your question. Do I feel lucky? Well do ya punk!"
Dirty Harry Callahan
Based on what makes Palmer the best chance
A turnover prone QB doesn’t win superbowls. If you need proof look at Dallas they have a better offense than us Romo is better than Palmer there wr’s are better than ours there tight end is better we have the better RB but overall they have a better offense. They lose because they turn the ball over. We all know Palmer is going to turn the ball over. I am not knocking him for that but if we have a QB who turns the ball over we need a defense that is very good. It’s not the last two game that have been sub par when we won 3 in a row we played sub par. Barely scoring in the second half. One more thing it’s not NEGATIVE if its true. We aren’t a good football team. Being negative or Hating as many people are saying is talking down on a good team or players. If I said Adrian Peterson suck thats being Negative or Hating cause its a lie. outside of DMC who else can carry the team. Palmer needs to learn how to manage the team before he can take over. Thats what JC did so good he never tried to be Tom Brady. Cause he wasn’t Since JC has been on this team you can put two games on him. 49ers and the Pats.
So you'd rather go with JC than Palmer?
Game managers don’t win Super bowls either, not without outstanding defenses like Baltimore and Tampa had when they won theirs.
So I guess we can agree we need a lot better (and by a lot better I mean a top 5 defense) defense if we want to go to the show.
That said, I’d take Palmer over JC any day and that’s now, before he has the offense down and some chemistry with his play makers, which he will do eventually. Only then can he be judged against JC.
Also, it IS negative, because all though it (the fact that Palmer is (right now) a turnover prone QB) may be true up to this point, it may not always be so. To judge a guys stats under circumstances such as these and pretend there isn’t more to the meaning behind those stats is short sighted and doesn’t take into account all the variables.
Personally I’d rather have a guy lose us a game while taking a chance to win us one, over a guy that won’t or isn’t capable of taking the chance to begin with.
"Now I know what your thinking, did he fire six shots or only five. Ive forgotten myself in all this excitement, but being that this is the 44 magnum, the most powerful handgun in the world and could blow your head clean off, you have to ask your question. Do I feel lucky? Well do ya punk!"
Dirty Harry Callahan
Not saying Palmer will continue this 1 inteception for ever TD ratio. But consider one QB who
did win a SB with a history of a similar TD/Pic ration – in 1975 (the year before winning the SB) Stabler threw 16 TDs and 24 Interceptions [Raiders went 11-3], in 1977 Kenny threw 20 TDs and 20 interceptions [Raiders went 11-3] and in 1978 Kenny Stabler threw 16 TDs and 30(!) interceptions [Raiders went 9-7].
fn. Interceptions, and not antithesis lifestyle, is the argument for his not being HOF.
S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
"George Blanda ... I really believe he is the greatest clutch player in the history of this game." Al Davis
by Sons-of-Blanda on Dec 17, 2011 5:04 PM PST up reply actions
I'm sure he's not the only one either
Who do you feel more comfortable with at QB for us going forward, JC or Carson?
"Now I know what your thinking, did he fire six shots or only five. Ive forgotten myself in all this excitement, but being that this is the 44 magnum, the most powerful handgun in the world and could blow your head clean off, you have to ask your question. Do I feel lucky? Well do ya punk!"
Dirty Harry Callahan
When I watch Palmer arranging the back field, making on field adjustments, calling audibles,
and throwing to Moore and Ford (e.g. Denver, SD, Minn,Chicago) there’s no question he’s the more complete QB. Give him a decent running game and OL and he’ll take us where we want to go.
S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
"George Blanda ... I really believe he is the greatest clutch player in the history of this game." Al Davis
by Sons-of-Blanda on Dec 17, 2011 6:37 PM PST up reply actions
Ageed,
I don’t understand these guys that want JC back as a starter.
Id take him as the back up, but Carson definitely is a better choice as the starter.
"Now I know what your thinking, did he fire six shots or only five. Ive forgotten myself in all this excitement, but being that this is the 44 magnum, the most powerful handgun in the world and could blow your head clean off, you have to ask your question. Do I feel lucky? Well do ya punk!"
Dirty Harry Callahan
That remains to be seen
Palmer’s contract runs through 2014 season and if in that time period he takes us to the Super Bowl, it will have been worth it.
That is the ultimate goal…right???
Would we have liked to pay less for him? …yes…did we? …no… at that point in time it was either give up the season or get bent over the barrel and overpay for Palmer.
Not sure if Al would have gone for it or not, but no way to know for sure now.
It is what it is and it’s done and no amount of sniveling will change it ,nor will firing the one guy that’s brought some positive movement to this organization in awhile…Hue
"Now I know what your thinking, did he fire six shots or only five. Ive forgotten myself in all this excitement, but being that this is the 44 magnum, the most powerful handgun in the world and could blow your head clean off, you have to ask your question. Do I feel lucky? Well do ya punk!"
Dirty Harry Callahan
Professionalism
Our squad plain an simple need to be professional both on an off the field. You know with the injuries and addition off players, that is apart of the game, but the lack of confidence and professionalism is what disturbing to the fans. These professionals need to stop going through the motions and do there job both physically and mentally!
Thats my beef with our roster and not so much with the coaching staff.
(except upCHUCK)
by drc84 on Dec 15, 2011 10:15 AM PST via mobile reply actions
I know this is off-topic, but why does it seems like every time we manage to draft a stud ...
Offensive player, he gets bitten by the injury bug in a big way? Remember Ronald Curry? That guy was on his way to being a great NFL wide receiver before he started getting injured, and ended up out of the league. Now we got McFadden possibly heading down that path, and I’m getting concerned Ford is going the same way, and the same goes for Taiwan Jones. Not worried about Moore just yet, but it’s not out of the question, given our luck.
And then there’s the flip-side, where our highly-touted high-round draft picks may not get injured, but so often turn into flops (or at least, they are flops for US, although they may turn out decent for someone else) … Chester McGlockton, Darrell Russell, Nap Harris, Derrick Gibson, Fabian Washington, Phil Buchanon, etc.
And even when our defensive drafts are decent, THEY end up struggling with injuries: Huff, although not really that much of a stud, has also been hampered by injuries throughout his career, Shaughnessy was definitely on the rise and now he’s on IR too. Chekwa was looking pretty damn good for a rookie, but only lasted two games before he got hurt …
I feel like aside from Woodson and Nnamdi, we NEVER end up drafting the right guys on Defense, gusy who are gonna end up playing consistently great for us for year after year. Renaldo looks more and more like Nap Harris v2.0 with every passing game.
It SO friggin frustrating the luck the Raiders have with the players we draft. I swear sometimes I’m get convinced that the Raiders are just fucking cursed.
by Brett J Valjalo on Dec 15, 2011 10:15 AM PST reply actions
Has to be
The training staff. Injured players for the Raiders never seem to improve like those of other teams. For God’s sake, Reggie Bush broke his leg last year and was back in 2 months.
by Joesickness on Dec 15, 2011 10:17 AM PST up reply actions
An another thing
Fans you have the right to complain about Hue, but honestly…your telling me Cable would have done a better job… Nope! I bet our record wouldnt anywhere were its at now… Hue is moving this team foward, he’s doing a good job for a rookie head coach. Next year i don’t see him being ok with this kind of effort and professionalism come next year.
by drc84 on Dec 15, 2011 10:21 AM PST via mobile reply actions
An another thing
Fans you have the right to complain about Hue, but honestly…your telling me Cable would have done a better job… Nope! I bet our record wouldnt anywhere were its at now… Hue is moving this team foward, he’s doing a good job for a rookie head coach. Next year i don’t see him being ok with this kind of effort and professionalism come next year.
by drc84 on Dec 15, 2011 10:21 AM PST via mobile reply actions
Maybe not, but I do think ...
We’d be a much better team had we found a way to keep Zach and Nnamdi. Sheppard and CJ are just nowhere near Nnamdi’s caliber, and Zach still being around would’ve made Palmer’s transition much easier, because he was an incredibly reliable outlet valve for the QB.
Not that keeping Cable means we kept those guys, but I will say that had AL gone the ‘stability’ route, keeping the exact same team together w/the exception of the guys we got in the last draft, and kept Cable as HC and Hue as OC, I DO absolutely think that we wouldn’t currently be trailing the Donks, and hoping for a miracle to get into the playoffs.
by Brett J Valjalo on Dec 15, 2011 10:32 AM PST up reply actions
I don't have any issues with Hue,
as mentioned in title – starting QB down, starting RB down, 2 starting WR down; relief RB (Jones) down; we’re playing band aid on offence. Real issue id defence not showing up. Chuck gots to go (unless we go deep in playoffs, of course), short of that he’s toast. But remember, Chuck was not Hue’s hire. There wasn’t a queue of available QBs week 6; he went for broke with Palmer because he thought that we could salvage the season after Boller redefined futility. I’m not off Hue. He needs to pick his staff and win. His press tactics is to deflect pressure from his players onto him, that’s fine. Jimmy Johnson Gruden, Ryan all do that. It allows the players to get on with it. No issue there. Again, Lions’ game is winnable; all about turnovers and penalties.
by raiders4liffe on Dec 15, 2011 10:37 AM PST up reply actions
I can agree that 7-6 with the adversity we've endured is a decent season
While still bemoaning the chances we’ve blown to be even better, and the deplorable effort of the last 2 weeks.
It doesn’t make me a “hater.” Some of these guys (Rinaldo ahem) deserve our scorn for their play and attitude.
by lchristmas on Dec 15, 2011 10:31 AM PST via mobile reply actions
Perhaps I will Try To Sum This Season Up...Maybe I Will Fail??
Emotions…Extreme highs and low lows…“Peaks n Valleys”….Than terminally ill as a “Flat Liner”!!!
From anger and turmoil engulfed in that “CBA” confrontation to on the edge of our seats anticipating “V”!!!…Or hoping for it??
Threw the sadness and tears of losing one so dear into the flurry of emotions and “V” in Houston!!
Than threw the pain and suffering post “JC” as we encountered that “Bi-Boller Disorder”!!!
Just as hopelessness set in a savior was reborn and the “MadBomber” was again on our front porch with hope and eager anticipation…
Than the demise of the “Pick-6” and that running “Armless ASS”!!!
Threw the confrontations of that “Zebra” Stampede to Hue’s stand for this team and our fans!!
Than 3 glorious weeks as we ascended to the top of the AFCW only to descend to the depths of hell just 2 short weeks later….
Now thew all this turmoil loss and injury we are perplexed…How do we get back that spark that was once there we ask??…Turn on each other as we have and the players and coaches as well never considering how all this madness has affected them…
Them who have been there…Died there…Lived it threw every peek and down every valley…Them that’s been trying desperate to to reignite that spark…That emotion…That life that was once so forceful that we could all feel what a special season this really was….Maybe still is??
Now’s NOT the time for loss of hope nor is it time to turn on those who have brought us so much at such a high cost to themselves threw injury and pain…NO!!…Now’s the time to find hope and garner support that threw thick or thin we will still be here and still support this team that we love so dear…That’s the message we should be getting to our Gladiators…
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"Tebowphobe"!!!
I think a lot of the "hate" people are expressing is the appearance of lack of preparation and effort
Nothing frustrates fans more than a team that comes in looking lost and simply rolls over for their opponents. We have looked very unprepared for the last 2 weeks and have not shown the effort that is required of a team fighting for a playoff spot.
What has me more frustrated than anything is this team’s inability to game plan at times and especially the inability to make any sort of in-game adjustments.
You know what would make a good story? Something about a clown who makes people happy, but inside he's real sad. Also, he has severe diarrhea.
you tell nothing but the truth my man
We have looked like crap even in our wins. We all know we aren’t a top team like Green Bay but we are suppose to seperate ourselves from the bottom of the pack.
What???...Looked Terible Against "SD"???...Houston???...Jets???
You need yourself a pair of glasses!!!
"Tebowphobe"!!!
by PantyRaider on Dec 15, 2011 11:42 AM PST up reply actions
Looked terrible in Houston
Until Mario Williams got hurt.
the only win we looked okay is SD
We didn’t kick Houston and the Jets were come back games. Sanchez throw for over 300 yards
The inability to adjust at half time is squarely on Hue
Good HCs are able to make changes to turn weaknesses into strengths or at least minimize those weaknesses or compensate somehow for them. We have had too many games where teams have come back on us after the half because we either stay the same or we go into a conservative mode. We have been lucky to hold onto a few wins despite that but we have lost some as well due to this fact. Hopefully Hue can learn from this as a rookie HC.
You know what would make a good story? Something about a clown who makes people happy, but inside he's real sad. Also, he has severe diarrhea.
by Buster Bluth on Dec 15, 2011 11:48 AM PST up reply actions
Amen to what Chaos said!
Except the Broncos will lose all 3 games.
Oh! Lords Of The Dark Side Implor You We Must.... Strike That Armless ASS Down!!!
3 Strikes Upon Thee!!!
"Tebowphobe"!!!
by PantyRaider on Dec 15, 2011 11:36 AM PST up reply actions
The first time we've been 'Up & down" in 1 season. Right?
For the last 8 years we’ve been watching this team play remarkably well, then next week remarkably poor. The best Raider teams have been made up of misfits, rejects, thugs and no-do-gooders. And we loved them for the way they came together and played football. Bitch all you guys want, this team is our Raiders today! Ya, they’ve had better players and coaches in recent years, but this is what we have today to root for. It’s been frustrating as Hell for ALL of us, but "love-um or leave-um!
R.E.M.
by TheBiggestRaiderFan on Dec 15, 2011 11:54 AM PST reply actions
I wouldn't say recent years
as a matter of fact our recent coaches( Art Shell- the bed & breakfast era and Lance Kiffin were so bad that Cable looked like the answer. He wasn’t
He was an up grade over that pathetic time, but not much more than that.
Between Gruden and them we had Callahan (joke) and Norv Turner who’s proven his value as a head coach in SD and will probably be fired.
Saying that our recent coaches were better you must be talking about extremely recently as in this year.and on offense only, considering how bad the Bresnapig has done with the “D” this year.
"Now I know what your thinking, did he fire six shots or only five. Ive forgotten myself in all this excitement, but being that this is the 44 magnum, the most powerful handgun in the world and could blow your head clean off, you have to ask your question. Do I feel lucky? Well do ya punk!"
Dirty Harry Callahan
NOT HATING
But i say this to all of you whiners. If you don’t like it. Don’t read it. I can tell within the first 2 sentences if I want to read a post or not. Simple as that. This is still America n people can say n have there opinions. No matter how bone-headed some of them are. (trade McFadden for example) People r frustrated. Very frustrated! Go ahead n let them vent. Who cares. I do it too. Doesn’t mean I’m hating. You will still see my drunk ass at the O every game!! So come join me in those stands every game and scream n cheer your ass off for our team! I LOVE this game n I LOVE our team! Just sometimes i may not like certain things. Still Nothing like a sunday afternoon at the coliseum!! ESPECIALLY after a W!! In the end that’s all that matters. Just win baby!!! Win, lose or tie RAIDERS til I die, then cheering from the sky!!!
by bigjon22 on Dec 15, 2011 12:50 PM PST via mobile reply actions
Bone headed
Is keeping a guy on the roster who never plays or plays only at half speed. Like Javon Walker, and a certain somebody else we know.
Actually
He has played at least 10 games since we drafted him. With the exception of this year. He’s still very young(24) and in his prime. Really starting to shine the last 2 years. Trade him? Sounds totally insane to me. IMHO at least
by bigjon22 on Dec 15, 2011 5:49 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Winning ugly and losing handily this season
has given us plenty to bitch about. Excessive plenalties and inconsistant play has been the only consistant theme this year…
Having said that, you are right Saint, and right to call out the RN based on the realities of how the season has gone. We still do have a winning record at this point after some very trying circumstances. We must remain behind this team and continue to try to push it to the playoffs. I have some issues with how the team has been run and the statements Jackson has made throughout the season, but I don’t doubt his dedication to the team as I have with past coaches. There is still time and season left to win. Hopefully the team rallies and finishes strong.
"Today I step into the shoes of a great man, a man by the name of Dwayne Elizondo Mountain Dew Herbert Camacho."
I'm not really sure what you expected to read the last two weeks
The Raiders have gotten crushed in two straight games without being able to establish any running game or slow the other team’s offense down. Did you expect optimism? I didn’t. Until I see a Raider team that is prepared to actually execute their game plan and impose their will on the other team, I have little cause for optimism and neither does anyone else here. By lashing out at the “haters” you are simply misplacing your frustration with the Raiders themselves.
Every board has trolls and the only way to shut them up is for the team to win. Each team has a core group of die-hards. If the team wins, they acquire bandwagoners. If the team loses they acquire deriders, haters, and trolls. If one spends one’s time attacking the haters and feeding the trolls instead of objectively covering the team, it just makes one seem deluded especially in a place like this.
I appreciate that the tone of this post is positive and that it implores the fans to remain steadfast, but the haters will do what they do and it’s best simply to ignore them,
These are my principles. If you don't like them, I have others. -Groucho Marx
Shit Happens.
Before the season started I had us as a 8-8 team, just like last year. So when I’m feeling down about the season I just try to remember that. I know we still have a statistical chance of making the play-offs, but don’t think that will happen.(Fuck you Denver).
The two biggest mistakes this team has made in the last year is getting rid of Coach Cable and giving up sooooo much for CP.
Been a fan for 35 yrs.It’s all about perspective. Maybe next year.
Girlfriend: So the guy who catches the ball is the catcher, right?
Me: No. They are called wide-receivers. Catchers play baseball.
Girlfriend: Samething.
If Cable was such a great HC
why is he a line coach?
And seriously, who the hell else were we getting to play QB? Who? Name one guy.
Though
It’s also because his interactions with Randy Hanson and his harem of battered women were bringing lawsuits against the Raiders organization.
Fuck you.
Obviously 8-8 isn’t good enough. Just realistic. I’m really sick of people putting others down for not drinking the Kool-aid. Right now we are a average team.
Girlfriend: So the guy who catches the ball is the catcher, right?
Me: No. They are called wide-receivers. Catchers play baseball.
Girlfriend: Samething.
While we are absolutely an average team right now,
You’d think from some of the things you read here that we are the Colts.
We’ve shown our selves to be shitty, against good teams and on the road to the east coast against any team good or bad.
All that being true, we still have a legitimate shot at winning our division and even if we don’t… To quote Dennis Green…"They are who we thought they are.
The fact that the Raiders performed better that expected raised expectations, and now that they have proven themselves average…everybody is pissed!
They got our hopes up and we’ll be disappointed if they don’t make the playoffs, but I don’t thinks its drinking the Koolaid to say that this team has a chance to be great, if not now then sometime in the not to distant future.
"Now I know what your thinking, did he fire six shots or only five. Ive forgotten myself in all this excitement, but being that this is the 44 magnum, the most powerful handgun in the world and could blow your head clean off, you have to ask your question. Do I feel lucky? Well do ya punk!"
Dirty Harry Callahan
He was the best guy available.
But we paid waaaay too much.
Girlfriend: So the guy who catches the ball is the catcher, right?
Me: No. They are called wide-receivers. Catchers play baseball.
Girlfriend: Samething.
still think playoffs are a long shot
i actually think detroit is goin to beat oakland but i know the raiders can beat the dolts and queefs. 9-7 unless the raiders play the way they were supposed to the last weeks. also sprinkle in some moore and a victory can happen on sunday. its not hating. Fans get angry with the team when they lose, only cure is winning. its the fans that abandon the team and only come back when they win is who u should be calling out. i dont mind the negativity, it doesnt bother me. this football team has been nothing but headaches the last 8 years, what do u expect? this is still my team and i have stuck with them, whether i harshly criticize them or not. at the end of the day we are all just fans, nuthin much we can do other than cheer them on and attend the games. i love hue as the coach for the team, the palmer trade had to happen for any chance of this team to make the playoffs. the price was too steep but it was necessary to just win. i honestly thought this team would be a division winner before the season started. maybe 10-6. after they lost all the playmakers, i still expected them to win, not as often, but enough to get the division crown. Hues “next man up” slogan kept many fans thinking that even with these injuries the raiders could still win. well it didnt work that way. this team is good maybe not elite yet but we wont know until it is healthy. that starts, hopefully, next year.
"I'm not saying I'm gonna change the world, but I guarantee that I will spark the brain that will change the world." - Tupac Amaru Shakur
"The greatest hypnotist on the planet Earth is an oblong box in the corner in the room. It is constantly telling us what to believe is real. If you can persuade people that what they see with their eyes is what there is to see you've got them. Because they'll laugh in your face of an explanation then which portrays the big picture of what's happenin'
... and they have."
"Lots of people in America know that the system is fucked up. All of them know it. I think everybody in this country knows the government’s corrupt. They’re conscious of it, but they’re not gonna do a fucking thing about it. There are people that will, and me, I consider those people revolutionary"- Immortal Technique
"The average man can’t prove of most of the things that he chooses to speak of
And still won’t research and find out the root of the truth that you seek of
Scholars teach in Universities and claim that they’re smart and cunning
Tell them find a cure when we sneeze and that’s when their nose start running"- Damian Marley
by RaiderKilluminati on Dec 15, 2011 2:17 PM PST reply actions
there is still a chance for this team to become division winners. and, God willin, get their playmakers back during the playoffs. raiders need to do what they have to do and WIN on sunday.
"I'm not saying I'm gonna change the world, but I guarantee that I will spark the brain that will change the world." - Tupac Amaru Shakur
"The greatest hypnotist on the planet Earth is an oblong box in the corner in the room. It is constantly telling us what to believe is real. If you can persuade people that what they see with their eyes is what there is to see you've got them. Because they'll laugh in your face of an explanation then which portrays the big picture of what's happenin'
... and they have."
"Lots of people in America know that the system is fucked up. All of them know it. I think everybody in this country knows the government’s corrupt. They’re conscious of it, but they’re not gonna do a fucking thing about it. There are people that will, and me, I consider those people revolutionary"- Immortal Technique
"The average man can’t prove of most of the things that he chooses to speak of
And still won’t research and find out the root of the truth that you seek of
Scholars teach in Universities and claim that they’re smart and cunning
Tell them find a cure when we sneeze and that’s when their nose start running"- Damian Marley
by RaiderKilluminati on Dec 15, 2011 2:22 PM PST up reply actions
The biggest issue for me is what has appeared to be lack of effort the last two weeks
I can accept losing to a better team as long as they play hard but it has looked the last two games as if they had checked out even before the opening snap and that is going to incur my wrath everytime. And I also never liked the Palmer trade from the beginning.
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by Ozraider on Dec 15, 2011 2:20 PM PST via mobile reply actions
Saint u hit the nail on the fucking head my thoughts exactly
This is the best blog in the world very knowledgeable fans and real friendly I love this site to say the least but there are also some really stupid fans on here spreading the hate as soon as something litte goes wrong calling for hue to get fired, saying Palmer needs to be cut already giving up on rolando after 2 years??? Really i mean I understand the frustration of the last 9 years building up but things don’t happen over night we’re in transitional phase and things take time it takes years we can still make the playoffs and I think that is amazing in itself after dealing with all the injuries and off the field issues. You have to look at the big picture we have a good core we are just missing a few key pieces and may a d coordinator that actually knows what he’s doing and I would say we are one of the most explosive team in the league oh yea and stop these damn penalties !!!!!
by 209raider on Dec 15, 2011 2:35 PM PST via mobile reply actions
^
"THE TIME TO WIN IS NOW" - Coach Hue Jackson
Raider Nation..........we need all hand's on deck or get the hell off the ship! That's the way it's gonna be around here from now on! If trading away a couple of first round draft picks can get you a proven franchise quarterback like Carson Palmer and a legitimate shot at going to the playoffs, then fine...............you know why? Because this team is standing behind it's motto & legacy, "Just Win Baby!" and "Commitment to Excellence" instead of "Suck for Luck" & "Give Up". Imagine if you were a fan of a team that actually bought into that!?!
Cheers,
- Saint
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by The MoonMan 804 on Dec 15, 2011 7:01 PM PST up reply actions
EFFORT!!!
Its easy to put forth effort when we are down 31-0 in the third quarter….when it means nothing! If and when we get down early in a game, the offense forgets what got us our 7 wins and starts throwing the ball to a injured receiving core which results in a 3 and out most of the time . This in turn tires out a defense which also is depleted by injury (and not putting forth the effort for 4 quarters) on its heels. I LOVE my Raiders, and we are all very smart and versed about our team. It’s not hate that drives us to scream collectively about our team when they lose in the fashion of the last 2 weeks….its PASSION! To sum up, I will watch this team the next 3 weeks and cheer and scream at the same time and love every minute of it!!! GO RAIDERS
by A Stable Stabler on Dec 15, 2011 2:36 PM PST reply actions
ARE YOU KIDDING????
Nothing wrong with the Nation. Its the way we are losing games. Im a bigtime Raider fan and im tired of all the penalties, shoddy play. Thats why the Nation is pi##ed off… It looks to me the coaches are not coaching!!!!! With the talent we knew they would win 9 or 10 games, but if their weren’t so many injuries and all of a sudden poor play, this team could of won12 or 13…, and cruised into playoffs. I put alot on Hue and that staff. Chuck B, and special teams coaches are not doing their job!!!!!
Not this little gray duck
I will always be a Raider to the core. I hoped for 11 wins, expected 9, looks like I’ll have to happily settle for 8.
Refuse to tiptoe through life only to arrive safely at death
In all fairness, Ray
It got pretty ugly in here last year as well what with the Grad vs. Campbell, pro and anti Cable, complaints about the drafting, etc.
lol
""The massive Raider Nation is beyond doubt the sleaziest and rudest and most sinister mob of thugs and wackos ever assembled."--Hunter S. Thompson
"In football, I root for the Oakland Raiders because they hire castoffs, outlaws, malcontents, and fuck -ups, they have lots of penalties, fights, and paybacks, and because Al Davis told the rest of the pig NFL owners to go get fucked. Someday, the Raiders will be strong again, and they will dip the ball in shit and shove it down the throats of the wholesome, white, heartland teams that pray together and don't deliver late hits." - George Carlin.
I bleed Silver and Black
Martin the saint , I have been a fan since 1973 but this team is horrible. They can’t play defense, under Palmer there offense is inconsistent, the coverage on special teams is lousy, Chuck sucks as a DC, the coaches make NO halftime adjustments not to mention we have one draft pick next year. This year is killing me because I thought things were going to get better. Hue Jackson is a good OC but not a head coach.
Bring in a GM and clean house. RIP Jack Tatum
Wow
I don’t think expecting an 8-8 team to finish 9-7 or 10-6 is out of the question, but whatever.
MexicAN AmericAN VegAN
And
Apparently not as much as wrong as there is with other teams’ fans:
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdown_corner/post/Brutal-fan-violence-breaks-out-in-New-Jersey-and?urn=nfl-wp13907
Pathetic
Very sad. People r just fuckin retarded sometimes. Take shit too serious n too personal I guess. I don’t understand it. Don’t get me wrong if I see u wearing the other teams jersey at the O I’m gonna boo the shit outta you. Man, woman, old, young,(well except Lil kids of course) I don’t care u r getting booed!! But that’s pretty harmless n should b expected. I see some people just straight cussing people out who r walking by. The funny thing is a lot of times it’s guys cussing out females!! WTH? Then u will see a dude walk by n they get quiet?? Lol. I say boo the hell outta all of em but don’t blatantly disrespect n provoke anyone. In the end it’s just a game n we r all fans. I dunno. That’s just what I think
by bigjon22 on Dec 15, 2011 6:22 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
And to think
They tell this New Yorker that they deserved 9/11, then beat him down anyways, yet all you hear about is how awful Raider fans are. Unbelievable.
Agreed
Unbelievable. Wayyy outta line. I hate Kansas shitty chiefs fans but this just shocked me. Y anyone in the USA would say something like that is beyond me.
by bigjon22 on Dec 15, 2011 6:38 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
wow. I can't believe no one else heard that and responded with the guy.
I think I’d find myself right there, no doubt about it. I’ve seen folks ejected from the O for saying something far less inflammatory and classless.
""The massive Raider Nation is beyond doubt the sleaziest and rudest and most sinister mob of thugs and wackos ever assembled."--Hunter S. Thompson
"In football, I root for the Oakland Raiders because they hire castoffs, outlaws, malcontents, and fuck -ups, they have lots of penalties, fights, and paybacks, and because Al Davis told the rest of the pig NFL owners to go get fucked. Someday, the Raiders will be strong again, and they will dip the ball in shit and shove it down the throats of the wholesome, white, heartland teams that pray together and don't deliver late hits." - George Carlin.
Injuries vs penaltys
A wash, the injuries are a penalty to the team but the penaltys are a serious injury to the nation !
Almost there!!!!
Getting closer n closer now to game time!!! Still a few days away but I can’t wait!! Another sellout at the O!! Time to come together as one Raidenation!! Let’s go!!! Let’s get LOUD n PROUD!!!!
by bigjon22 on Dec 15, 2011 9:29 PM PST via mobile reply actions
I think its important to note, that we as fans contribute to referee perception and how flags fly
chanting “Tebow sucks, Tebow sucks!” when he’s kicking your ass, I can assure you, does nothing to get the refs involved in crowd hype in the favor of the Raiders.
Officials can get caught up in the hype for the home team, but it should come in the form of positive reinforcement from the crowd when our team does well. I’ve seen the home crowd work as the twelfth man, and I’ve been there when we were even louder, say versus NE this year or DEN at home, but it didn’t work for us at all, and I scratched my head as to why. I believe we can rally our home refs if we make a concerted effort at home, but it has to start early and our fans need to demonstrate some more class at times. My experiences this year in the Black Hole have been pivotal, as a few knuckleheads acting fools can spoil the whole experience for the entire section.
""The massive Raider Nation is beyond doubt the sleaziest and rudest and most sinister mob of thugs and wackos ever assembled."--Hunter S. Thompson
"In football, I root for the Oakland Raiders because they hire castoffs, outlaws, malcontents, and fuck -ups, they have lots of penalties, fights, and paybacks, and because Al Davis told the rest of the pig NFL owners to go get fucked. Someday, the Raiders will be strong again, and they will dip the ball in shit and shove it down the throats of the wholesome, white, heartland teams that pray together and don't deliver late hits." - George Carlin.
With the hyped up expectations about the two most penalized teams meeting, my concern is having refs primed to throw their rags
If this is going to be how it is, I my one hope is that it balances out and, in that way, becomes an advantage to us, i.e. not being the only persecuted team on the field.
S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
"George Blanda ... I really believe he is the greatest clutch player in the history of this game." Al Davis
by Sons-of-Blanda on Dec 16, 2011 7:05 AM PST up reply actions
Without the Raider Nation, where are you!
“First off I expect you take home a nice paycheck for this blog… next off, without the Raider Nation chiming in you can lose that paycheck! Or maybe I should say; “Gutcheck” or “Reality Check”. You mention all our Injured, but remember The Pack last Season?… no other team in the History of the NFL has ever had 30% of their starting roster out going into the Playoffs and then Winning the Championship! So, whomever you are… you must be prepared to “Not Miss A Beat” as Coach Hue says. You mention Jacoby Ford as if he is some kind of veteren.. whom was hurt in the first Play in our First Game! He is completely unproven and still a major work in progress. Fadden has been hurt his entire career, when he’s down… he is really down! Remember, Building the Bully is not for the weak! Face it, we are going home for the Holidays! We are not RAIDER Haters… by far, we are suggesting other points of view which in fact is fact! We are a Work in Progress and got worse as the Season progressed. "We will not take a step backwards, states Coach Hue… then in that case, JUST WIN BABY! Raider Jon
The Pack Last Season Was A Seasoned Vetern Team...We Are NOT!!....Young -n- Upcoming!!
It’s really very pitiful if you can’t see the difference??..They suffered a collective “91” games missed on that season…I wager we are already beyond that!!!..They still had Vet depth…We do not!!…
As far as injuries it doesn’t matter how you grade Ford or “D-Mac” or any other player…They were starters and as such the best we had and are now out…That’s a loss just as much as if it were a 10 yr vet "PB"er…
As for the “Raider Nation” it’s very well represented here and will continue to be so irregardless of your tears…To my knowledge this is a “Fan” site and NOT a Sports “Mediot” site supported by outside funding?…Curious what ever gave you that idea…There are 32 NFL teams along with all the NBA/MLB and others represented on these boards…You should go look!!
"Tebowphobe"!!!
By Seasons's End: My Estimate And I'm Sure I Missed A few??..165 Games Lost This Season!!
Chekwa, Chimdi CB Out…14 Games??
Eugene, Hiram FS Out…16 games…
Goethel, Travis LB Out…16 games…
Shaughnessy, Matt DE Out…16 games…
…………………………………………………………………………..That’s already 62 games!!
Ford “WR”….Out….10 games/
Moore “WR” Out…3 games…
Murphy “WR” Out…10 games
Chaz “WR” Out…5 games??
Boss “TE” Out…3 games..
“D-Mac” “RB” Out 9 games??
“TJ” “RB” Out….6 games??
Reece “FB” Out…6 games??
“DVD” “CB” Out….10 games??
“CJ” “CB” Out….10 games??
Huff “S” Out….8 games??
Giordano “S” Out…2 games..
“MM” “S” out 8 games??
“JC” “QB” Out…..10 games…
Satele “C” Out 2 games..
Henderson “DT” Out 2 games…
Bryant, “DT” Out 2 games…
…………………………………………………………Additional 94 games…
Jano “K” Out 2 games..
"Tebowphobe"!!!
Tears for Fears RAIDERS
As for the "Raider Nation" it’s very well represented here and will continue to be so irregardless of your tears…To my knowledge this is a "Fan" site and NOT a Sports "Mediot" site supported by outside funding?…Curious what ever gave you that idea…There are 32 NFL teams along with all the NBA/MLB and others represented on these boards…You should go look!!
“First off if there is no funding as you state, then who the hell is selling all this advertising? You tell me there is no moderator that gets a paycheck! BULLSHIT!
I’m not crying dude, we are going Home for the Holidays, that is the reality of it all! The Work in Progress got worse as the Season progressed. We were average at best at the beginning of the Season and now if we end at 500, we will be lucky! Coach Hue said so many things that I bought, Raider fans and players bought and we must never forget this season as a great tribute to Big Al, but come on man… CRYING? Haven’t done that since the last Steelers Superbowl Win and they weren’t Tears of Joy for sure!!!
Raider Jon in the Sunshine State
Damn Saint finally!!!! Look, I have tried to be a voice of reason after every loss...
This team is building a contender, we are NOT contenders yet…However, Hue is putting the tools in place..I would think the former football players on S & B understand what the team is going through….We were 8-8 last year not 14-2, we had losing seasons severals in a row prior to that. I see progress, is there still work to be done..Of course there is, however, I see a team well on their way to playing solid football game in and out….I agree Saint, it is time to just give the negative speak a break…Go Raiders!!!
by Rodney Sacramento on Dec 17, 2011 1:28 PM PST reply actions
Hopes on here we're raised higher than they should have been
and now the reality of it is settling in and the disappointment is hitting hard.
"Now I know what your thinking, did he fire six shots or only five. Ive forgotten myself in all this excitement, but being that this is the 44 magnum, the most powerful handgun in the world and could blow your head clean off, you have to ask your question. Do I feel lucky? Well do ya punk!"
Dirty Harry Callahan
Because when we're winning
We don’t notice that we don’t have a defense. When we lose, it becomes all too apparent.
"RS"..I have Enjoyed Your Energy Even If Some Have Not...Keep The Faith Bro...I'm Right Here With You As Are Others!!!
"Tebowphobe"!!!
+1
"THE TIME TO WIN IS NOW" - Coach Hue Jackson
Raider Nation..........we need all hand's on deck or get the hell off the ship! That's the way it's gonna be around here from now on! If trading away a couple of first round draft picks can get you a proven franchise quarterback like Carson Palmer and a legitimate shot at going to the playoffs, then fine...............you know why? Because this team is standing behind it's motto & legacy, "Just Win Baby!" and "Commitment to Excellence" instead of "Suck for Luck" & "Give Up". Imagine if you were a fan of a team that actually bought into that.......
Cheers,
- Saint
http://SportsnSpaceTalk.freeforums.org/
by The MoonMan 804 on Dec 20, 2011 7:01 AM PST up reply actions
!!! PLEASE NO SPAMS !!!
S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
"George Blanda ... I really believe he is the greatest clutch player in the history of this game." Al Davis
by Sons-of-Blanda on Dec 18, 2011 6:15 AM PST up reply actions
saint
u are right but u were 7-4 3 weeks ago i said on this blog that u were a dark horse super bowl team Miami And Detroit u could have won its all about winning u have to take adv of the cards u hold
okay i have cerebral palsy arthris and chronic fatigue as well i have a great life and loveing folks some days are better than other days i got a make-a-wish in 2001 and saw my favorite team the broncos it was the trip of a lifetime i wish everyone couild have gotten to enjoy that with me i know some of u hate the broncos and that okay but i bleed organ and bule for my mnr fans but i bleed orange and blue denver will rise again resident broncos fan for every blog resident broncos for stampede bule thanks shvd98z24 real name jeremy woodard nettleton high class of 02 yes i am a raider Stay humble in victory respect all fear none and finish larry soprano
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