Pity Party Over, Bring on the Lions!
Alright my personal pity party has been appeased. I owe a thank you to Saint and also to Ghost Raider for posting OMGitsjamerson's article from Raiderfans.net. I am ready to go back and be optimistic again. We are going to be playing at the O.Co. this Sunday against a talented team that is having problems themselves in the Detroit Lions. This game is a game that we can win if we don't come out like zombies again. We need to be ready to play and compete and if we are able to do that we are still in the heart of the playoff race.
The Detroit Lions are getting Suh back for this game and he is going to be extremely hard to control. So hard that we are not really going to be able to do it that well without double teaming him the whole game AND chipping him with the running back. I am serious here. He is always a handful but now he is a pissed off giant that is ready to show that he will not be corralled from his overly aggressive playing stance.
Personally, I think he should be a little more humble after his mistake was another black eye for the NFL amongst the people that believe it to be a league of thugs. However, it does not seem like that will be his approach. He still seems to think he is some type of victim here and he will be coming at Carson Palmer even harder because of that. I don't know if that is true since I obviously do not know the man. It is just my own opinion and view of where he seems to be after his 2 game suspension for treating a Packer offensive lineman like he was a doormat to wipe dirty shoes off on.
Besides Suh, the Lions have a seriously formidable defensive line and will be a real challenge for our struggling offensive line. So if we show up and play like the offensive line we had earlier this year it could be the very thing we need to re jump start this team. We just got completely annihilated these past two games and hopefully that will be enough smelling salts to wake this team up and get them to play like they can again.
Also on defense they have one of the most under rated linebackers in the game and one of my all time favorite Wisconsin Badger Alums in Deandre Levy. He is a play maker and we are going to have to get somebody into that second layer and on him on run plays. He is quick, strong, and has that picture perfect Lion aggressiveness. He is really good and if we want to perform well against the Lions we will need to keep a body on him as much as possible.
As for their offense, obviously the number 1 factor we will have to watch for is Calvin Johnson. Megatron has been relatively quiet the last couple weeks and that is not necessarily a good thing for us. It means to me that he is due for a huge game and we need to be prepared for that. We are going to need Stanford Routt to play the game of his life, and we are going to need to keep a safety over the top. Hopefully we can keep him quiet.
One of the tough things about keeping so much attention on Johnson is that they still have some other seriously good players to throw to. Brandon Pettigrew is a huge target and even though he hasn't lived up to expectations coming out of college yet he is a very real weapon. We are going to need our linebackers to cover him and that is not exactly their specialty. They also have Nate Burleson who is a legitimate receiver. The other receiver though that we really need to keep track of is Titus Young. He is a rookie and is really starting to come on strong at the end of the year. He is small and fast, very similar to our Denarius Moore, and is really starting to play with some confidence.
Besides their talented receiving core that has Matthew Stafford throwing to them, they also have Kevin Smith who is a very speedy running back. Kevin Smith looks like he will be playing despite being hurt and not practicing so far this week. He is very fast and has incredible hands for a running back. The guy is the real deal and if we are not ready for him he can hurt us. We have a lot to pay attention to with this Detroit offense and will need every player to do what they are suppose to in order to win. In my initial post I had mentioned Jahvid Best but a visiting Lion fan named Bighaircut informed me he has been out since week 6. Its nice not to have to face him because he is a very talented running back who I find similar to Matt Forte although so injury prone. The injuries have kept him from being able to take advantage of his talent.
Lets go out there and show the world that we are better than the team that got demolished the last two weeks. Lets get our shit together and lay the wood this Sunday. These are the two most penalized teams in the NFL and it will probably be the heaviest officiated game in NFL history. That sounds extreme but really, this game might very well have the most penalties ever called in one game. I hope not but neither team is liked by the officials.
I would like to finish this up with two middle fingers stuck far up into the air at Adam Rank of NFL.com. He decided to do the opposite of top team power rankings and put us as the 6th worst team in the NFL. Here is his article, guaranteed to make you froth at the mouth. I am shocked that NFL.com continues to employ this man, considering even his non Raiders hate diatribe is horrible.
I would like to thank Rank for being so disgustingly biased against us, because he did help bring back my true Raider Nation Pride along with Saint and Ghost Raider. I was very down on the Raiders after the Packer beat down but his article made me remember that we are judged far too harshly by everyone outside of Raider Nation. I did not want to continue to contribute to this lack of respect and over judging that they get so much of already. We are the Oakland Raiders and we are in the playoff hunt. Lets remind everybody that and come ready to play against the Detroit Lions this Sunday!!!
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Key for the game: IF THEY COME TO PLAY OR NOT
Overall, I think the Raiders are the better team by a slight margin, this 3 games will be won or lost by the amount of heart they show, I am hoping for 100% every play, Im 50/50 even if other dont think we have any heart left, that is mental…you can turn it around in 1 week. Come play with full heart and brains and we win, the Broncos are likely to choke against the Bills in the frozen tundra in Buffalo if they lose to the Pats, which will happen, and as far as the Raiders: Win this game and you will win the next 2….hopefully we get the WildCard if the Broncos dont choke, but I dont see that happening. Things LOOK bad, but arent as bad as many of you think, GO RAIDERS!!!
Depends
I’m convinced that coaching will not change for the rest of this year. All that, “We will get better” bullshit means nothing to me now. The defense has been coached the same way since the first game of the season. So we are screwed there. Moore was practicing, so that is a big plus. I don’t even care if DMC comes back this year or not, Bush is our back now. Moore should help Palmer. Palmer was talking very good, saying he knows how bad he played last week. He wants to not turn it over and force plays. That is a plus. As for effort, I expect it this week. I just don’t know how it will play out. This is a very strange team. If they decide this game is worthy of winning, then it will be so. Alas, it really is up to them :(
by lakers007raiders on Dec 15, 2011 4:22 PM PST reply actions
But this is how it should be "up to them" (not the opponents, or refs, or reverse jet-lag ...). Alas, we fans can only do so much.
Alas, it really is up to them :(
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by Sons-of-Blanda on Dec 15, 2011 4:32 PM PST up reply actions
lol i said all along that my optimism would return
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by Marcus Allen Krause on Dec 16, 2011 12:55 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
This game will be the litmus test
If they come out flat and get blown out, the season is over and your pity party can rage on, but if they can play well and get a win… there may still be hope for this season yet.
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I don't know what the Rank hate is for
He has actually at times been quite complimentary of the Raiders and the fact of the matter we probably have been the 6th worst team in the league the last two weeks.
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by Ozraider on Dec 15, 2011 10:07 PM PST via mobile reply actions
if u can find them id love to read them because i have only read complete sarcastic bullshit on everything he has ever reported
As for u agreeing that the last 2 weeks we are the 6th worst, his ranking was for the season and not the last two weeks. The last two weeks we played like we were the absolute worst team but were still in the fucking play-off race for the season Oz. There’s no way any of us should agree there are 25 teams ahead of us. He says in the article “when was the last time the Raiders played inspiring football? Yeah I don’t remember either.” There is no way u should be ok with that statement and defend that guy, your sour grapes have gone too far if ur ok with that statement. Get some pride back and be rightfully pissed at an incredibly disrespectful article about a team that is 7-6 and still is alive for the playoffs.
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by Marcus Allen Krause on Dec 16, 2011 12:54 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
The power rankings are clearly based on how good the teams are RIGHT NOW not a month ago
thats usually how power rankings work and right now based on the way we have played I dont think you could possibly put is much higher than that, I dont really want to get in to an argument about it but i challenge you to make a solid argument that any of the teams ranked above us based on this are playing worse than we are right now. That all may (and hopefully) will change after this week but we are playing as bad as I can remember us playing in a long time if we are totally honest an argument could be made that the Redskins have performed better than us the last two weeks. The ranking has nothing to do with whether we are in the playoff hunt or not it based on how good we are right now which based off results is not very fucking good and as has been said its nit just the results its the absolute inept effort.
I am always proud to be a Raider fan but I refuse to eat shit and call it candy. I hope that we turn it around this week and I really think we can but facts are facts and the proof is on the field.
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maybe your right but i think of power rankings as a prediction of the remaining games based off the whole season
If it is solely based off of the last two weeks we should be dead last. Nobody played worse these last two weeks but it shouldn’t be based just on that. They have plenty opportunity to be better and do better and I think its not right to call a team that is alive for the playoffs the 6th worst team in the league when almost half the teams in the NFL are already out of the race for the playoffs. I don’t and won’t agree with that. Its pretty ridiculous that you do agree with it simply based on two horrible games, one against a blood rival who was on a role in the Dolphins and one against the best team in the league in the Packers.
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by Marcus Allen Krause on Dec 16, 2011 10:06 AM PST up reply actions
But just so I am clear
I do not for one second believe we ARE a bottom 6 team but I do not think there is any question that we are playing like one right now.
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i didnt read this before my response but still i dont believe in power rankings being based on what just happened more than what is about to happen and i do not believe we will play like the 6th worst out of anybody for the last 3 games
How can you have fallen so hard that you believe the Chiefs and the Chargers are both better than us right now. Not the last two weeks, but for the next 3 weeks. Plus seriously, you didn’t even respond to the quote from Rank on remembering the last time we played inspired football. That is a very low blow, how can u defend that statement and be ok with it?
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by Marcus Allen Krause on Dec 16, 2011 10:15 AM PST up reply actions
Personally I don't even understand the use of the term
“Inspiring Football” … I rarely expect football to be ‘inspiring’, and hence I don’t consider a valid ‘metric’ for judging a football team to be how ‘inspiring’ is it to watch them play.
I think the word he was looking for is ‘inspired’ … and frankly if a writer isn’t capable of using the correct terminology (esp. when it’s a phrase that’s so much a part of common sports parlance as ‘playing an inspired game’) I tend to automatically reject whatever else they have to say.
But to answer both of possible intended versions of the rhetorical question at hand, the last time we played ‘inspiring’ football was the Houston game, and the last time we really looked ‘inspired’ was the SD game.
by Brett J Valjalo on Dec 16, 2011 12:28 PM PST up reply actions
I would equate 'inspired football' to playing with 'heart'
and we havent done that my biggest problem with the team the last two weeks is that they have rolled over and thats what i think is meant by not playing ‘inspired’
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Yes I agree the last two weeks there was no heart but it hasnt been long enough to say you dont remember when the last time was
We had a lot of heart during the 3 game win streak directly before these 2 games. They were not pretty wins but there was heart.
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by Marcus Allen Krause on Dec 16, 2011 4:27 PM PST up reply actions
that may be true but thats not what the point of the article is or what we are talking about.
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Whatever Oz, it should be part of it is my point.
As for it not being part of what were talking about it was a direct fucking response to what u just said. I get it you like Adam Rank, he can still go fuck himself. This is not the first time he has taken obvious glee in negatively reporting the Raiders and it won’t be the last time. A power ranking at week 15 that is based off of only the previous 2 weeks is a flawed system and there is no way to justify our team being the 6th worst team in the NFL in anybodys rankings when we are 7-6 and in the hunt for the playoffs. It should fucking matter that we are still alive because that fact gives us more power.That should be part of the power rankings then and you would agree if you weren’t caught up being so negative. The Raiders have more “power” than half the league because they can still make the playoffs.
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by Marcus Allen Krause on Dec 17, 2011 2:11 PM PST up reply actions
Nice Negativity
Hope the guys who are going to the game are not like you, the guys need energy to do something this Sunday
is that at oz?
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by Marcus Allen Krause on Dec 16, 2011 12:57 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
It's called reality son
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Ok now I am done defending 'my boy'
as i said on another post I totally believe we can win this week and expect u to do so. The Raider Nation has stood up and sold out the O and I expect to see a pissed of Raider team put the effort on the field that they are capable of and push forward to the playoffs.
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My Keys to the game....
IMO the Raiders would need to lose this game more than the Lions would be able to win it. Get it?
Raiders on Offense-
Suh, Suh, Suh, Suh…..yeah whatever. Suh is good and all, but not great. Is he an animal? sure, he is violent and cunning and completely unstable. pancake that dude and watch him come unglued. He can be taken out of games, and IMO, its not as hard as the NFL wants you to believe. If you watch film on him, teams have the best success running at him. Double him up with the center and guard and get to the edge on the right side. Easier said than done I know,but when teams try to run away from him, him tends to beat the single blocker and chase it down from behind……he is fast for a DL.
Run the ball with Bush. Run the ball, run the ball, run the ball, oh and get rid of that cute flea flicker play that never works. Bush should get 100+ in this game.
Reece- Reece both in the backfield (blocker/runner/receiver) and in the slot. This guy is a match up nightmare. He blocks like a back, but catches and runs like a receiver…….he should be a factor.
Heyward-Bey- I was ultra pissed when you were riding pine after a great start, make up for last weeks drops right here. We need a wr presence in this game to upen up the running game, why not let it be you. OR better yet, Moore, will you please be healthy? Two of the top three target on the field is almost too good to be true. Let these dudes do some work!!!
Raiders on Defense-
Calvin Johnson. Stick Routt on him all day with help over the top. Let them take the short routes with no gain all day, the big play is where this guy kills you. If he catches a 7 yard out,fine but for god’s sake, wrap him up!!! A shoulder bump tackle isn’t doing much to this guy, other than knocking him off course for a moment on the way to the endzone. They think he can keep churning out ESPN highlight catches all year, so they like to throw him a jump ball regardles of coverage. DONT GIVE HIM EASY CATCHES DEEP!!!! Seriously, he is a average to below average route runner, and he lacks Jacoby Ford speed, but he can jump, I see no reason for him to beat Branch and Routt over the top. Stop him, and stop the Lions.
Mathew Stafford. This dude is soft. He is injury prone and makes mistakes typical of a rookie……only this is like what his third or fourth year? He wpn’t be able to take much of a beating before he leaves the game. So go ahead, blitz him, hit him, rough him up.
Lins running backs. This is an interesting bunch.They aren’t terrible, but they are short changed by the system. Because Stafford pretty much sucks as a NFL QB, they are forced to run most sets out of shotgun, making most of their runs draws, and also meaning they run without a FB and with a lot of three WR sets. If the Raiders rush too hard at times they could get burned with the draw. Raiders need to keep their gaps and stay focused, not lose their heads and play like idiots.
The other WR,I think Nate Burleson, isn’ terrible, but far from an all star. He is capable and fast, but he shouldnt be scoring touchdowns very easily.
Tony Sheffler, a former bronco castaway in the McDaniels project. He is decent.
Raiders as a team- Don’t go soft because you think they are put away. This team has erased some big leads this season, in fact they should have at least four more losses easily. Celebrate in the locker room not on the sideline, lose this game and your season is all but over, and with no draft picks to comfort you,it’s a long offseason……….
If there’s one thing I hate in the NFL it is the darling. The team the league wants to prop up(Packers/Broncos) or the player they are trying to promote (Rodgers/Tebow). The Lions are one of those teams. I don’t feel sorry that they have sucked for so many years and I dont feel sorry for the way they draft. Don’t try to force some lame sob story on me to make me root for another team. I want the Raiders to smash these guys to just knock them out of the playoffs, Then Suh can practice his lame rehearsed snarl all offseason long while he is waiting for his car to be fixed (moron).
Not trying to troll here, but I feel I need to defend my team
Honestly, I don’t think you know a whole lot about the Lions. You think Suh can be taken out of games due to what? The fact that he had one bad moment? He is a beast and we suck at run defense because of the scheme, not Suh. Besides, even if you do manage to corral Suh, you still have to worry about Sammie Hill and Corey Williams, both of whom see almost as many snaps as Suh. If you wanna hurt the Lions, its really simple. RUN THE BALL! and maybe get some play action going if you can with Palmer. If you guys can do that, it is very much so possible that the Raiders come out of this game with a win, but it won’t be as easy as you make it sound.
As far as Calvin’s speed goes: he ran a 4.39 at the NFL combine. Yes, its not as Jacoby Ford fast, but this is a 6-5, 230 pound (basically 3-4 rush linebacker) with a 48" vertical that runs a 4.39. Wrapping him up is easier said than done.The Vikings had to tripple cover him at times last week to keep him quiet. He might have another quiet game this week, but it will mean that others like Titus Young, Nate Burleson and Grew are gonna get theirs.
Matthew Stafford: really? soft? Have you watched ANY Lions game that he has played or are you just basing this off of what the talking heads at ESPN told you? The guy came back in a game with a separated shoulder and threw a winning touchdown back in 2009. He constantly plays hurt on injuries that other quarterbacks would sit in (see Jay Cutler). He ain’t soft. Maybe not the most durable, but definitely not soft. And you might wanna check the numbers on Stafford before you say he’s not a good quarterback. He is one of the best quarterbacks in the NFL right now. 5th in the NFL in yardage, 8th in passer rating, 4th in touchdowns. The downside is he has thrown the 5th most picks so far, but we’ll take with the other numbers he’s putting up.
Our runningbacks right now are crap. The top three guys on the depth chart are either on IR or won’t play in Best, Leshoure and Smith. I think you’re clearly missing the point that this is a passing offense. They don’t give a crap about running the ball really, so much so that we don’t even have a fullback on the roster. Heck, I can’t remember the last time I saw Lions in I-formation. If you wanna blitz them, go right ahead, but realize that you won’t be able to both double cover Megatron AND blitz AND cover everyone else at the same time, who we both agree are pretty good too. You wanna stop the Lions passing attack. Simply get after Stafford with a four man rush and drop seven in coverage. He’s not the best under pressure (can’t expect everything out of a 23 year old) and does make mistakes, but blitzing them with a poor secondary is just a dumb idea. The chances you will knock him out of the game is slim, and we have a very good backup too, so it won’t make that big of a difference.
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The looming question remains, can we stop a QB from picking-up 1st downs with his legs? Haven't seen us contain one yet
The running game has been our ‘heel’ again this season (ranked 29th) and we’re fortunate that your team’s greatest weakness is their rushing attack (ranked 26th). Your key sounds to our success is exactly what our DC gives us every game – rush 4 and play 7 soft … Hope you’re right. Waiting to see if we can contain the pudgy rock-star better than Tebow, Ponder, Haine, Moore.
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by Sons-of-Blanda on Dec 16, 2011 6:58 AM PST up reply actions
Just sayin
If you can’t contain two Christians and Haine (who the hell is Moore?), then I doubt you’re gonna fare much better against one of the better QBs right now. If I were the Raiders, I would run Michael Bush 30 times and play keep away.
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Matt Moore is Miami's QB - rushed and threw TDs on us.
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by Sons-of-Blanda on Dec 16, 2011 7:14 AM PST up reply actions
At least Stafford is mostly Immobile
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True that ...
But the above claim he ‘pretty much sucks as an NFL QB’ is, frankly, nonsense. The guy is good … and pretty damn good, considering his inexperience. I sure as hell hope the Raiders attitude isn’t ‘oh, we’re up against a crappy QB, this should be easy’, because them’s just ain’t the facts. Stafford, when healthy, occupies the QB tier just below the Rodger’s and Brady’s of the league, and if this team underestimates Stafford, he will make them pay. I’ve seen him play a few times, and other than one game I watched where his finger was jacked up and he threw a bunch of picks, the dude is a legit, top-tier NFL QB.
The only comparable QB (and arguably Shaub) this team has beat this year is Phyllis, and he’s not playing as well as Stafford this season. Teams underestimate Stafford at their own peril.
by Brett J Valjalo on Dec 16, 2011 9:01 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
That Team Is 8-n-5 In Prolley The Toughest NFL Division For A Reason...
Makes no sense to try to diminish an opponent when they have clearly been better than us of late…Just study them and go out and kick some ass to the best of what you have in you while taking your lumps as they come…
"Tebowphobe"!!!
by PantyRaider on Dec 16, 2011 10:02 AM PST up reply actions
Combined "V"s Threw the 1st 13 Weeks By Division: AFCW/NFCS Tied For 4th Place
AFCE…..27
AFCN…..31
AFCS……20
AFCW…..26
NFCE ….23
NFCN….30
NFCS….26
NFCW…24
"Tebowphobe"!!!
by PantyRaider on Dec 16, 2011 10:16 AM PST up reply actions
We Are 1-n-3 Against The AFCE...Should NOT Have Been So!!!
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by PantyRaider on Dec 16, 2011 10:22 AM PST up reply actions
I would love to see what tier the guy would be in without megatron to toss it up to
I think he is very average. Very erratic. Not especially accurate. Of course, we’ve been torn apart by worse. And he DOES have megatron so this is an academic discussion anyway.
Pettigrew and titus young make me nervous. We should be able to account for them given the lack of a running game… But we all know how “should have” has been working around here…
by lchristmas on Dec 16, 2011 12:00 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Good point, but In all fairness ...
Though, there’s very few guys that are regarded as all-time top-tier passers that didn’t have either a number of very strong receivers (such as Rodgers), or one HoF-caliber and a few other above-average receivers to throw the ball to (Montana, Young, Brady, Manning, Aikman, etc).
In fact I’d argue that the only one who didn’t is Dan Marino … that guy is a HoF passer who never had a guy to throw to that’s even in the discussion for Canton … at least not that I can recall. Although Duper and Clayton were both pretty solid and he had them to throw to for a bunch of years, so he developed great chemistry with the guys.
So, IMHO, it doesn’t make a lot of sense to ‘take away’ from a QB just because he’s blessed w/some stud receivers. The two go hand in hand, really.
by Brett J Valjalo on Dec 16, 2011 12:46 PM PST up reply actions
Yep, it takes good receivers to make a qb look great
but megatron is in a different class. all ther great receivers that montana, young, elway, manning have had.. those guys still had to get OPEN and the qb still had to get it there. Stafford just has to toss it up for grabs into double coverage, whatever, and CJ goes and gets it. this is how he gets half his touchdowns.
the only receiver who even compares, IMO, is the quitting cocksucker who wore 18 when he played here (excluding when he played here of course)
Well, I guess we'll all get a real good look at the kid on Sunday ...
I hope you’re right, and he’s really not that good aside from tossing jump balls to CJ. But I’ve seen him spread the ball around and throw some pretty passes to a lot of other guys in the couple games I’ve watched him in. Personally I think it’s gonna be key we get in and rattle him, otherwise he’s gonna have a field day out there picking apart our sub-par 2ndary.
I’ve been less than impressed w/Sheppard out there the last couple games, I was kinda hoping our own CJ would be back this week, but since he’s not been practicing and was inactive last week, plus w/his lack of playing/practice going all the way back to like week 4 or whenever … pretty good chance he’s inactive again. And Huff may not be able to go, so … we may have one side with Gio and Sheppard (and Wimbley or Curry), none of which are all that great at coverage, so … Stafford’s abilities are a legitimate cause for concern, even if he’s only an average QB.
by Brett J Valjalo on Dec 17, 2011 7:33 AM PST up reply actions
Wow
I’m sorry but that just sounds ignorant. Have you watch the games. You say all he does is have to toss it up to Calvin well how many of Calvin’s Touchdowns have come from plays like that very few the majority Stafford’s had to put the ball right there.
Then look at his numbers he has 29 Touchdowns this year and only 13 have gone to Calvin so he is getting the ball of others not just Calvin.
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I come ready, when I came out the womb I was ready, tell them mama that's why you had me, you knew I was ready. -Moss
Dominating your opposition physically is great and all, but confounding them mentally is sooo much more fun.
2-15-DEN 44(14:36) (Shotgun) K.Moreno up the middle to DEN 47 for 3 yards (N.Suh). FUMBLES (N.Suh), RECOVERED by DET-N.Suh at DEN 47. N.Suh to DEN 47 for no gain (K.Moreno). FUMBLES (K.Moreno), recovered by DET-C.Houston at DEN 47. C.Houston to DEN 47 for no gain (O.Franklin). Denver challenged the fumble ruling, and the play was REVERSED. (Shotgun) K.Moreno up the middle to DEN 49 for 5 yards (S.Tulloch).
How many games have you actually watched of him.
Calvin had 3 catches for 29 yards last week and he still had a good game. Teams have been doing everything they can to take calvin away and he has been making them pay (see the saints game where he threw for over 400 yards and calvin didn’t even have 100 of them).
We are taught from an early age how to deal with failure not success. (If at first you don't succeed try try again, if at first you succeed then what....) -Charlie Sheen
I come ready, when I came out the womb I was ready, tell them mama that's why you had me, you knew I was ready. -Moss
Dominating your opposition physically is great and all, but confounding them mentally is sooo much more fun.
2-15-DEN 44(14:36) (Shotgun) K.Moreno up the middle to DEN 47 for 3 yards (N.Suh). FUMBLES (N.Suh), RECOVERED by DET-N.Suh at DEN 47. N.Suh to DEN 47 for no gain (K.Moreno). FUMBLES (K.Moreno), recovered by DET-C.Houston at DEN 47. C.Houston to DEN 47 for no gain (O.Franklin). Denver challenged the fumble ruling, and the play was REVERSED. (Shotgun) K.Moreno up the middle to DEN 49 for 5 yards (S.Tulloch).
with all due respect
the above piece was my opinion and I firmly stand by it. Chances are, you’re opinion of the Lions is as tainted as mine is as a Raiders fan, but realistically, I know the Raiders shortcomings and how to pick them apart…..
I said Stafford sucks as an NFL qb, to me that is a combination of things. For one, does he even know how to take a snap from under center? To me, being an “NFL” qb requires more than taking a shotgun snap and tossing it up for grabs. Stafford is as likely to miss a game from stubbing his toe pregame as he is form a blindside blitz. Yards and stats are cool, but he is not an elite Qb. As a GM, are you telling me that you would take him as a cornerstone to your franchise if all the other QB’s were available? Wrong. I would take Roethlisberger before this guy and mock you while you stood in the unemployment line.
My position on Johnson was that he isn’t faster than the Raiders secondary is a sub-par route runner, do you disagree? what johnson has going for him is that he is uber-atheltic and can win the jump ball more often than not, so for the Raiders to win then need to atleast double him deep and wrap up on and hold on for dear life when the tackle him.
I appreciate your feedback though, it is always nice to hear another fans perspective on my ideas and good luck on sunday.
Well, yeah ...
But it’s hardly a knock on a QB to say that you’d rather have Roethlisberger over him.
Although many of us don’t like him, there’s really no denying that Big Ben is a top tier QB, esp. when you look at the total package of leadership, toughness, playoff experience, clutch playing ability … oh, and the SB rings.
In fact, if I could have ANYONE right now as the 3 Raiders QB’s, although I’d definitely take Rodgers first, I’d give Ben serious consideration as my 2nd stringer, even over Brady and Manning, given that Ben is a few years younger.
Once you get below the ‘elite’ tier of QB’s in this league, Stafford is right there in the thick of the 2nd tier, keeping company with guys like Jay Cutler, Matt Ryan, Matt Schaub, Matt Hasselbeck, Phyllis (in an off year, anyways … when he’s playing well I consider him elite), Eli Manning, Tony Romo, etc.
And how many of those dudes are 23 years old?
by Brett J Valjalo on Dec 16, 2011 1:03 PM PST up reply actions
Again, you don't get the point
You guys are a running team, so I guess you find it weird to see a team in the shotgun so often. It is by design. Stafford isn’t Tebow. He can take snaps from under center, but being in the shotgun gives him more time to asses and read the defense. Stats don’t matter? Soo you’re okay with Carson Palmer’s “stats”? Lol. C’mon man. I don’t know what to say.
As far as would I build a team around Stafford? FUCK YEAH! He’s 23, with an elite arm and already putting up monster numbers for a 2nd year quarterback. YOu wanna take Roethlisberger without a running game, go ahead, but Ben had the luxury of learning behind a great defense and a run game. Stafford didn’t have the same luxuries and is already putting up numbers on par. There are very, very few guys in the NFL that would build a team around if given the chance.
As far as Megatron being a sub-par route runner. It’s all a matter of perception. For a 6-5, 230 lb receiver, he runs great routes for his size. Compared to say smaller, quicker receivers, he’s not the best, but then again he makes up for it with his athleticism.
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Yeah Stafford is definitely worthy of building a team around. Dont lump all of us into a category though because one person is giving you shit lol
Im surprised at the Stafford bashing, if its not he is injury prone then I dont know what the negative comments would be about. He is very good and despite his injuries is very tough. Carson Palmer’s career stats yeah I will take them and be happy about the possible future for us despite his poor play this season. Stafford would be playing badly right now in Carson’s position too, its more circumstance than talent causing the bad stats for this year.
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by Marcus Allen Krause on Dec 16, 2011 7:25 PM PST up reply actions
I wasn't really bashing Carson Palmer
I think he has a future in Oak town because of your running game and speedy receivers. I was just calling him out since he said “stats don’t matter”. And yeah, I know it’s just one guy. Most of you here seem to be really knowledgeable fans on here.
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agree
We are taught from an early age how to deal with failure not success. (If at first you don't succeed try try again, if at first you succeed then what....) -Charlie Sheen
I come ready, when I came out the womb I was ready, tell them mama that's why you had me, you knew I was ready. -Moss
Dominating your opposition physically is great and all, but confounding them mentally is sooo much more fun.
2-15-DEN 44(14:36) (Shotgun) K.Moreno up the middle to DEN 47 for 3 yards (N.Suh). FUMBLES (N.Suh), RECOVERED by DET-N.Suh at DEN 47. N.Suh to DEN 47 for no gain (K.Moreno). FUMBLES (K.Moreno), recovered by DET-C.Houston at DEN 47. C.Houston to DEN 47 for no gain (O.Franklin). Denver challenged the fumble ruling, and the play was REVERSED. (Shotgun) K.Moreno up the middle to DEN 49 for 5 yards (S.Tulloch).
Try not to take things too serious in here
We’re still in a pretty foul mood after the last two games.
yeah i know i have been a guilty party with that one for sure lol
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by Marcus Allen Krause on Dec 16, 2011 4:30 PM PST up reply actions
Let's get Suh To Throw A Punch!
That would be AWESOME!
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by Raymond St. Martin (Saint) on Dec 16, 2011 6:59 AM PST reply actions
Carlisle may be just the man for the job. If they both get ejected then perhaps we see Bruce Campbell breakout
S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
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by Sons-of-Blanda on Dec 16, 2011 7:16 AM PST up reply actions
Sounds like it's the little things that piss him off
They were reporting on the radio this morning that the guy the Suh kicked was untying Suhs shoes every time they were in a pile and it was that that sent Suh over the edge!
"Now I know what your thinking, did he fire six shots or only five. Ive forgotten myself in all this excitement, but being that this is the 44 magnum, the most powerful handgun in the world and could blow your head clean off, you have to ask your question. Do I feel lucky? Well do ya punk!"
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honestly if thats true i would be really pissed too
Still not slam the guys head down twice and stomp on him mad, especially not on national television, but id be really pissed.
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by Marcus Allen Krause on Dec 16, 2011 10:27 AM PST up reply actions
I read that too. It makes sense what they say at the end when he's pleading on the sidelines and it looks like he says "I didn't stomp him" while pointing at his feet
when he was actually saying “he keeps untying my shoes!” The guy went on to say if we see his laces taped in from here on out, you’ll know it was true.
A great plan by the O line coaches for a rookie center way overmatched and not knowing how to approach the monumental challenge.
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I'd say put in Bruce to get him to throw the punch!
Then again, Campbell may be what we need to stop him. Brute Strength!
Vast boars and huge gigantic bull
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by Raymond St. Martin (Saint) on Dec 16, 2011 7:56 AM PST reply actions
In that sports science piece on BC, he generated like 2900 lbs. of force, equivalent to "a pamplona bull"
but I think Suh generated like 3800 or something, topping the charts for any athlete ever measured.
""The massive Raider Nation is beyond doubt the sleaziest and rudest and most sinister mob of thugs and wackos ever assembled."--Hunter S. Thompson
"In football, I root for the Oakland Raiders because they hire castoffs, outlaws, malcontents, and fuck -ups, they have lots of penalties, fights, and paybacks, and because Al Davis told the rest of the pig NFL owners to go get fucked. Someday, the Raiders will be strong again, and they will dip the ball in shit and shove it down the throats of the wholesome, white, heartland teams that pray together and don't deliver late hits." - George Carlin.
I'm going to guess Suh will be somewhat contrite this game at least
In other words I’m guessing he won’t play all crazy and defiant … that would just be bloody stupid on his part. Not saying he won’t bring it but I’d be shocked if he could be goaded into doing something totally stupid in his first game back and get himself ejected.
I wish I could say I have a feeling of optimism going into this game but unfortunately I don’t. I just have no idea whether this team can get it together after the debacles of the past two weeks, when they knew the season was on the line for them in both of those games. I’m just really doubting their ‘heart’ and cohesiveness as a team right now … they played those two games like a bunch of individuals, not as a team, esp. on defense but really on both sides of the ball.
Things will get ugly for this team at the O.com if they don’t at least show up and make a game of it, that much I can tell you for certain. If Carson doesn’t handle getting ’boo’d’ well, then this team better perform … otherwise he’s gonna hear it from the crowd, and end up not wanting to come back and play for us next year. IOW he may just ‘retire’ again, and we’ll be left with no top draft picks, and no QB in compensation for them.
So this game has me worried on a number of levels … I really hope they can get it together and at least make a game of it, and not fall behind 34-0 by the third quarter for the 3rd week in a row.
by Brett J Valjalo on Dec 16, 2011 8:06 AM PST reply actions
the major key to this game is dmoore. if hes good to go then the raiders chances of winning obviously increase. i also have a bad feeling but i never count these dudes out until they are down 30 at the half. i did count them out vs GB though. no way in hell would they have ever won that game without dmc moore and ford. lions run d is bad. bush could have a big day if the oline isnt destroyed by suh and company. if grant gashed the raiders then kevin smith sure as heck can. smith is solid. calvin scares me ESPECIALLY in the redzone. routt will have problems with him in the redzone. it will be a close game. stafford is easily rattled and yeah hes good but he can revert to a little turnover machine bitch if harassed.
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... and they have."
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by RaiderKilluminati on Dec 16, 2011 9:48 AM PST reply actions
I'm Going To Speculate A Little About The Past 2 Weeks...Ran Out Of Gas??
Shit happens and that’s prolley all this past 2 weeks is…No sense in treating it like the end of the world…
With all this team has been threw it’s no mystery that things would catch up at some point and put the team into a laps…Difficult to get up and win when faced with adversity but to do it every week would be extraordinary to say the least and few teams ever have especially when faced with so may injuries…
We’re home now and the Lions are in town…Let’s see how this team comes out and how they perform now before we bury them in the sand!!
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people at the afc west blog on espn.com, askin about a possibility of a dmc trade. Its possible but HELL NAW!!!! plus with all the injuries his trade value wont be as high. guess they want bush to be the full time starter for the future. gonna be difficult to keep bush and start dmc next year. hopefully the staff can pull it off.
"I'm not saying I'm gonna change the world, but I guarantee that I will spark the brain that will change the world." - Tupac Amaru Shakur
"The greatest hypnotist on the planet Earth is an oblong box in the corner in the room. It is constantly telling us what to believe is real. If you can persuade people that what they see with their eyes is what there is to see you've got them. Because they'll laugh in your face of an explanation then which portrays the big picture of what's happenin'
... and they have."
"Lots of people in America know that the system is fucked up. All of them know it. I think everybody in this country knows the government’s corrupt. They’re conscious of it, but they’re not gonna do a fucking thing about it. There are people that will, and me, I consider those people revolutionary"- Immortal Technique
"The average man can’t prove of most of the things that he chooses to speak of
And still won’t research and find out the root of the truth that you seek of
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Tell them find a cure when we sneeze and that's when their nose start running"- Damian Marley
by RaiderKilluminati on Dec 16, 2011 9:59 AM PST reply actions
i have been adamently against that too but im starting to falter
As great as he is it just hurts us too much when we expect to rely on him and he can’t stay healthy. Its getting to the point where we plan on relying on him so much that it hurts more with him out than it helps with him in. Without him our offense totally changes and we just can’t have a the center piece of our offense be somebody who is hurt more than not. The thing that still keeps me on the side of not trading him is that I don’t believe that we would get fair value for him in trade because of his injury history.
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by Marcus Allen Krause on Dec 16, 2011 10:24 AM PST up reply actions
I'm getting excited for the game but I'm still lacking in the optimism department
I’m excited we are playing meaningful games this late in the season and that we have something to play for but the last 2 weeks plus the plethora of injuries gives me doubts. This offense is built to be dynamic…and when you are missing your players that make the offense dynamic…it’s hard to compensate. If Moore plays, which he should from the sounds of it, then that increases our chances but if we had Ford and McFadden healthy…we’d be downright scary to opponents.
The spark that Bush lit when moving into the starting role has fizzled a bit and if they run him up the gut on consecutive plays again this week then I might punch myself in the face. I really hope somehow Taiwan Jones is ready so we can change the pace a bit and see this kid burn his wheels.
You know what would make a good story? Something about a clown who makes people happy, but inside he's real sad. Also, he has severe diarrhea.
Trade D-mac?? Really??
After this injury happened we realized we HAVE TO keep D-mac, Bush has had numbers but is he actually bringing ANY spark to the offense?? If we trade D-mac then the offense will look like this for years to come, we CANNOT trade McFadden…even if he is out 1/2 the season we need him.
Didn't Bush bring the spark against SD?
We can just look at these last two games. Miami has a brutal defense, and against Green Bay we were just awful on both sides of the ball.
Meanwhile, while Darren had a couple of great games for us this season, he also had a couple of off games, just like Bush. Either guy is only as good as the blocking in front of him. But Bush is out there week after week, no matter how much he gets beat up.
I am still against it but I do see some reason in it now
Really having a guy that talented made us design an offense for him and now nobody fits it and we have to adjust it. That really sucks and it has bit us more than this 1/2 season. Like I said I am still for keeping him but really this is hurting a lot having a player that is the center piece not be able to play even half the time.
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"Winning isn't everything, but wanting to win is."--Vince Lombardi
by Marcus Allen Krause on Dec 16, 2011 4:34 PM PST up reply actions
I am being a little harsh cuz he hasnt had as bad with injuries as i thought in previous years
Its just when he is out it just seems so long til he comes back.
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by Marcus Allen Krause on Dec 16, 2011 4:44 PM PST up reply actions
Hell...Why Don't We Just Sell The House...I Want To Trade All These Lame Ducks!!!...LoL!!
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31 Eugene, Hiram “S”
50 Goethel, Travis “LB”
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Hell...Can We Trade Hue Too While We're At It???...John Madden???
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by PantyRaider on Dec 16, 2011 12:27 PM PST up reply actions
I apologize in advance, PR
But just when you think you’ve seen it all:
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdown_corner/post/Jockey-offering-1-million-in-prizes-if-Tim-Tebo;_ylt=AltZa9ErBsJKKluRE3P6fr9DubYF?urn=nfl-wp13984
Best has been out since week 6...
Just to let ya know.
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Thanks I missed that. NFL.com didnt have him listed on the injury report but that must be no IR players
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by Marcus Allen Krause on Dec 16, 2011 6:31 PM PST up reply actions
I changed it and appreciate the correction
"We want to win. The Raider fans deserve it. The Raider players deserve it, even my organization deserves it. You have to win and you have to win with a vision for the Super Bowl. That's our passion here."--Al Davis
"Winning isn't everything, but wanting to win is."--Vince Lombardi
by Marcus Allen Krause on Dec 16, 2011 6:41 PM PST up reply actions

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