Lions vs. Raiders: Agony of Defeat Finds a New Standard-bearer

Yet we know it’s our UFL level defensive schemes. FUCK!

Our defense is horrible and is the reason why we will not make the play-offs. They cost us the games against the Bills, Broncos, and the Lions. We were lucky against the Texans, Vikings, and Bears. But we have seen this all before back in 2002. The offense had to score lots of points to get ahead of team and hope our defense can hang on. Who was the defensive coordinator but than? CHUCK BRESNAHAN!!! I hope is he fired today!!!

This team can be summed up in 2 words…inconsistently average. Those kinds of teams do not make the playoffs…they don’t scare anyone…they lack heart, killer instinct, and most importantly leadership.

I also think Huff needs to go. We lack a solid FS. Giordanno, Huff, and Hiram Eugene aren’t the answer.

We will need a solid backup QB too, but assuming the Raiders bring in a GM and solid DC: playoffs will be there next year.

and we need a much better DC. Glad to see that the offense is looking good but the defense is not getting it done when we need them now….. (chuck can be blamed for this).

I have said we are NOT ready even if we had been able to sqeek into the playoffs. This team does not live up to it’s potential, they do not finish games, and they do not compete with confidence. I know that technically there is still a playoff chance, but I have said for 3 weeks we do not need to worry about that as a goal. Why go in as a weak divisional leader or flimsy wild-card at best, only to have our faces slapped for even THINKING we could compete on that level. Hue is a first year coach, but there are too many FUNDAMENTAL failures that even someone with basic knowledge of football should not be making. Let Te-blow and the Bronkettes get in to the playoffs and serve as a door mat for a much more cohesive team, and not have our team deliver another Nation-wide embarrassment for us. I’m not abandoning- just saying we are not ready for the playoffs.

A talented , poorly Coached (penalties) , can’t stay healthy , PREDICTABLE 7-7 Team of wanna be bullies that never get dessert cause they can’t clean their plates off.
SAINT : What’s wrong with Raider Nation?
Nobody that blogs here expected 16-0 out of this squad. I was thinking 9-7 or 10-6 and the prior is still possible. We hyped ourselves and listened to the likes of Mike Silver and company into believing we were capable of greater things than we are.
As for the Campbell /Palmer debate – you can’t make one in all fairness. Palmer is still learning the system and more importantly his receivers , who for the most part have not been playing or practicing. We don’t have the best back in the League on the field.
We need a TRUE G.M.. Hue must STOP calling the plays and focus on coaching the ENTIRE FUCKING TEAM like the " big boy" coaches do.
No Nation , I was looking for Prime Rib this year but its back to the Buffet. R.F.F.R.

And THAT’S the problem with todays “Athletes”. I’ve watched this club for 44 going on 45 years. I can tell when they will lose ,win or upset someone. Am I a genius? Hell no . You just get a feel for this as you rack up the years. Today’s spoiled pampered players play for the almighty dollar ,not the love of the game and pride. They REFUSE to put themselves in danger of injury because it risks their salaries. No one “sucks it up” anymore.
In short it’s a BUSINESS and it becomes less and less fun to watch every year.

Hell of allot more fin that bickering about that damn dumb “CBA” Crap!!!…At least we had the game for real and have been in it…Still are even if a long shot!!

Could we win out against the AFCW…“KC”-n-“SD”??

Will Cinnci lose to Baltimore???…Very well could…

Will the Jets lose again???…Likely to the “NYG” or Miami…

Tenn…Not sure there a problem if we win out???…But they still face their own division…Jacks-n-Houston…

Could “KC” take down that “Donkey”??…Damn sure could…

Will all these things happen in the next 2 weeks??…Now that’s NOT likely…But that’s where we are..

IF the Raiders lose the last two (five in a row) and go 7 – 9, what changes need to be made?

but why would I want to see my team in the playoffs if they’re going to put out a pathetic defensive effort like they have the entire season. So frustrating. Time to clean house and build a solid organization.

Now that Al is gone, RIP, and with him went the structure of the organization, let’s take a look at how the Packers are set up and compare it to what we have left in Oakland:

Here is the Player Personnel list:

Player Personnel

Reggie McKenzie, Director – Football Operations
John Dorsey, Director of College Scouting
Shaun Herock, Assistant Director of College Scouting (Midwest)
Lee Gissendaner, College Scout (Northeast)
Brian Gutekunst, College Scout (Southeast)
Alonzo Highsmith, College Scout (Southwest)
Sam Seale, College Scout (West Coast)
Jon-Eric Sullivan, College Scout (Midlands)
Richmond Williams, College Scouting (National Football Scouting)
Eliot Wolf, Assistant Director of Player Personnel
Tim Terry, Assistant Director of Pro Personnel
Chad Brinker, Scouting Assistant
Danny Mock, College Scouting Coordinator
Autumn Thomas-Beenenga, Pro Personnel Coordinator

They have a Director of Football Operations. This is a position in addition to the GM. Then they have specific roles broken out for each region of College scouting and five assistants.

Now, let’s take a look at their training staff:

Pepper Burruss, Head Athletic Trainer
Dr. Patrick McKenzie, Team Physician
Dr. John Gray, Associate Team Physician
Bryan Engel, Assistant Athletic Trainer
Kurt Fielding, Assistant Athletic Trainer
Nate Weir, Assistant Athletic Trainer
Josh Brellenthin, Intern Athletic Trainer
Andrew DePietropaolo, Intern Athletic Trainer

They have eight trainers while the Raiders only have three. This could be a relatively cheap cost that pays dividends.

I was pleased with the effort of the team yesterday. It did hurt that we let the game slip away from us in that fashion, but I believe it will sink into the players and coaches to not let up when we are up. I also believe that Hue Jackson come next season is going to hold this team to such higher standards, that they players will be a much better team. This season was clearly a test for Hue an how he would approach a season with injuries, FA, death of an owner of and so on. I don’t think any other coach in the league could handle such a season with ups and downs like Hue did. The man is good for this team an I have faith he will get us to where we should be this season and the upcoming seasons after this.

something but I figured fukit. Everyone feels the same way I do. Everyones pissed off, discouraged and a general feeling that management has let us down once again. Everyones said what I was going to say and suggested everything I would have. I got nothing after yesterday.

We was still winning the game even before the fumbling recovery TD. But it was the defense that gave up points on the Lions last two drives!!!!!!

where was a ‘stop them’ defense instead of a prevent defense?? I blame upchuck

he is literally guiding the players into position on every snap.

Walking out of the stadium I was dumbfounded and shocked by what I had just seen. I have been so beaten down by shit like this that it doesn’t even make me mad any more.

I will confess. When the Lions got the ball down 6, deep down, I knew we would lose. I’ve seen it too many times. News flash – Seymour, McClain, etc… YOU DON’T NEED TO ASK THE CROWD FOR HELP IN THAT SITUATION. WE WERE TAKING CARE OF OUR BUSINESS. I CANT SPEAK TODAY. INSTEAD OF STRUTTING AROUND LIKE HULK HOGAN WHY NOT GET IN THE FUCKING HUDDLE AND DISCUSS YOUR SCHEMES?

Hue: “We were running that Tampa Cover 2 there????” Oh really? How about some accountability. I am disgusted with the calls for Bresnahan’s head (well deserved of course) without the acknowledgement that Hue is the boss. Defense was the game there. That’s it. Get in the defensive huddle and tell your fucking idiot DC what to do.

You’d think that an NFL DC would not look at Calvin Johnson, look at his depth chart, and “dial up” (when did all these defensive coordinators get dials, by the way? STFU Cris Collinsworth and every other announcer who “dials up” “dial up” on his cliche dial 20 times a game but I digress) double coverage with a fucking middle linebacker and a waiver street free agent sixth string safety? BUT WE DON’T HAVE AN NFL DC. HUE HAS TO KNOW THIS BY NOW. HIS FAILURE TO TAKE RESPONSIBILITY AND ACCOUNTABILITY FOR THIS GARBAGE SHIT DEFENSE IS GOING TO COST HIM HIS JOB.

The pass to Chaz. I don’t have a problem with the general concept of a pass there. A fucking high percentage pass. I have a theory – every team has a “play.” Their “play.” Where you need 3 or 4 yards. Could be a key third down to keep a drive alive. Could be the situation we had yesterday – 3 yards… we win. Game over. You call your best play to get 3 yards. And we throw a 30 yard streak? Stupid. Low percentage, Unnecessary risk. Lack of common sense.

Not going for 2 up by 12. Absofuckinglutely inexcusable. A true no-brainer and our coach failed the test. There really isn’t any further discussion needed. There was some debate yesterday about “well you go up 13 there in case there are 3 more possessions… not all coaches would go for 2 there…” BULLSHIT. You go up 2 touchdowns there. The coaches who don’t go for 2 there? THE FIRED ONES.

We’ve seen it before with Hue. The Cleveland lack of a field goal up 14. A reasonably competent 12 year old playing Madden online knows what to do there. I have no confidence left in Hue. He has proven to me that he lacks game management and leadership skills. He would be a good OC with a head coach who knows what he’s doing.

Guess what folks: we are in the mix for last place. LAST FUCKING PLACE. The consensus seems to be “Hue deserves another year.” If he gets it I won’t be mad. I don’t have the pitchfork out. But if we miss the playoffs and he gets fired, I won’t be mad about that either (the firing part, that is.)

“Suck-Chuck”….Has never made a good game time adjustment that I can remember??

Lions…………………………………….Raiders

Third Down Efficiency 8/17 – 47% Third Down Efficiency 1/9 – 11%
Fourth Down Efficiency 1/2 – 50% Fourth Down Efficiency 0/1 – 0%
Net Yards Rushing 57 Net Yards Rushing 132
Average Gain per Rushing Play 3.0 Average Gain per Rushing Play 6.0

I was definitely disappointed in the loss yesterday we should have had that. Some fail ass coverage on that last drive. It’s a combination of scheme and injuries though. And god damn if Lito Shephard doesn’t play scared he’s going to get burned 85% of the time. I hate that cushion gives to receivers, it’s like saying “hey, you want 5-6 free yards? No problem!” He did get that one nice hit from it, but he needs to get up there and bump those fuckers at the line.

Though how bad we’ve been the past few weeks, things looked a lot better yesterday, my sensible hopes of making the playoffs are gone, but I will never stop hoping that things might fall into place until we’re completely out of it.

its so hard to believe we lead our division, and broncos seemed like they were out of the playoff race, and the race was between SD and us. We ended up losing to the dolphins and DEN which messed up everything. I can understand if we lose, but its the way we lose which i can’t take, games where everything is going right and all of a sudden we just turn into the worst team in the NFL. Even though we have a better record then many seasons ago, it just feels worse because we are on the rise, and now it looks like were descending. Say what you have to say, im disappointed how this team has let our fans down they way they do, as die hard as we are. Even though we lost, for some odd miracle we can still make the playoffs at 9-7 with some help, its better to have a slim chance then no chance, all i know is that Hue and Chuck(This is on him & his Defense) has to get ready for a 2 tough teams, if our time is now as Hue keeps saying, please show the Raiders fans what they been missing for years, a chance to see their team in the playoff and not to watch SD every year.

Schilens was similarly terse when he was approached for comment on his third-down, off-the-fingers non-catch.

“I’ve got nothing to say,” Schilens replied.

http://www.insidebayarea.com/mark-purdy/ci_19575405

Defense, defense, defense.

Gotta’ clean it up this offseason.

do we keep our 2012 1st rounder? or is that the pick that is the automatic 1st rounder and the other is the 2nd or 1st rounder( if we make playoffs). If thats case making the playoffs maybe benefit us in the draft to get 1 more player that can change our defense.

It was only one more time they had to block at 100% and Suh manages to push it enough to block it….damn…Jano was gonna really hit it, gosh the only sec the ball was up it looked in PERFECT direction, and that guy HAS the power, NO DOUBT

e have decent CB’s but we need a real lockdown guy.

We need to stay healthy and stop the TO’s as well. I firmly believe if DMC and JC never got hurt we’d have won this division and would be legit contenders

I bet come next year, the Raiders nation won’t be bitching about a certain player or coach!!! We are rushing with a new qb, and and injuries. This won’t happen next year!
It seems like some fans are treating Hue as if he was Obama… C’mon now. Do you really think cable would put us in a position to get into the playoffs… Fo reel?

all I can say is I’m still proud to be a Raiders fan. I will stick with this team until the end. The only good part about the Raiders recent struggles is that it has weeded out the band wagoners and the pessimists.

This was a playoff caliber team when the Raiders began the year. Losing Campbell. McFadden, Johnson, and many others has probably cost us our first playoff appearance in a decade. Next year will be a new year, with most of our talent returning plus (hopefully) some new additions (and subtractions, cough, defensive coordinator, cough) to fill up some holes. This season might not have ended the way we all originally envisioned, but the future is still very bright. I’m confident that the Raiders are on the right track, something I couldn’t say only a few years ago. That alone makes me happy as a Raiders fan.

One of the things that is pretty standard in successful NFL franchises is stability.

By stable, I mean: coaching staff and player personnel around together for awhile.

When the Raiders are at their best, is when they have a head coach who has had a system in place for at least a couple seasons, with players in primary skill positions that have been there together for at least a couple of seasons, and a coaching staff that has been coaching those players in that system for at least a couple of seasons.

Without that stability, a team is in CONSTANT rebuild mode…exactly where the Raiders are now. The only two guys who are vets that can function independent of a stable system are Lechler and Janikowski.

Carson Palmer is the best QB we’ve had since Gannon. Offensively, we need some stick-um for the receivers, and to hang on to Bush and let him be the lead back, with DMAC being an explosive option, not the other way around. If we stick with this personnel, we will be fine in 2013.

Defensively, Rolando McClain has a lot of good qualities, but captaincy is not one of them. He should be a learning LB, not the field general. Also this season, we see ho much the loss of Nnamdi hurt us. Bring in a Ray Lewis, James Harrison type FA, take some of the pressure of Ro, and find a capable shut-down corner…whatever it takes.

The Raiders have not been stable for a long time.

You may laugh, but I argue we are VERY consistent. Our wins are consistently bad and always close on the scoreboard. Our losses are consistently terrible with the defense cracking in the 2nd half. I agree that the pass on 3rd and 3 was not the wrong call, just the wrong play. Palmer was killing on the hooks, I would have went play action to that. I disagree with the 4th and 1 play. I know a PI call should have been made and Palmer just missed him, but we should have played for points. We did with Jason, don’t know why we won’t with Carson. And the decision to not go for 2 was absolutely one of the worst choices Hue has made all year and I would prefer he acknowledge it as a terrible call. And as for good ol Chuck, well, he has to go. Thank you for your time as a Raider, enjoy your future endevours. I did some research and I’ve witnessed only 7 winning seasons in about 29 years. This season, all together, wasn’t too bad by comparison. I love this team and will root for them to the end. I remember the 2-14 season and I still remained stupidly optimistic. Such is the way of a fan. Raiders to the end, always next year :)

everyone on the trading block again? they should do it. not that any other nfl teams would want the players the raiders have (a couple players yeah). Guess raiders are average at best. maybe theyll squeak in a good game or two in which they beat a “good” team, not “elite”. after what sd did yesterday, the raiders are in for 8-8 or 7-9. still a raiders fan but playoffs and dare i say “superbowl” wont be mentioned for a while AND EVEN IF this team made the playoffs this year, i guarantee they wont go far. maybe theyll pull a seahawk and bush will go marshawn lynch on the opponent. still two games to go and imma watch whether this team is playoff bound or not, good or bad.

I’m quoting Tafur from what he heard/saw in the locker room after the game.

I think, especially with this last press conference, that Hue knows that he has lost some of the locker room, and that he needs to make changes in the off-season. I also think that The whole Front Office, and even Bresnahan himself knows he’s getting fired if he doesn’t impr- oh wait, that don’t matter. He’s getting fired, period.

The only thing that I am hoping for is that our new GM will make the proper changes.

also i think our d coordinator last year was better then this guy. whatever happened to man d when nnamdi was here? why a tampa 2 d and a lb mcclain covering calvin johnson a good wr. i also would like to see the 3-4 installed with nolan as the d coordinator. madden won with a 3-4 in the supebowl and so have alot of other teams. me after this season no matter what we do, we need a big change at the d coordinator and hopefully a 3-4 d with man d. boyd and routt~~another need and i would look at free agency .