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Raiders vs. Packers: Oakland Should Destroy Champ's Rush D

The Packers suck at stopping the run. It is easily the worst part of their defense. That runs contrary to their defensive rankings, but if you look beyond those hollow surface stats it becomes apparent fairly quickly.

The Surface Stats

Green Bay is 31st in pass defense and 13th in rush defense. That is based on yards allowed. That is worthless.

The Real Story

The Packers force teams to throw to catch up. And they've spent much of the season not caring if teams hit short passes and gain what amounts to meaningless yards. This also means they don't care if the team runs the ball, which skews the rushing totals, but by number of attempts in meaningless situations, this taints the rush totals far less than the pass totals.

Green Bay is 29th in yards allowed per rush at 4.9. They have been even worse over their last three allowing 5.9. Their last three games have been the Bucs, Lions and Giants who are ranked 12th, 13th and 32nd respectively in yards per rush. The Raiders are seventh.

The Packers are not doing anything well on run defense. They are 28th in power plays, 29th in stuffed plays, 28th in the second level and 22nd in the open field.

This is all great news for the Raiders. Those rankings are very similar, but worse, to San Diego's. And we all remember Michael Bush shredding the Bolts. Jump over for more....

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Whining Fan

It would really kick ass to have Run DMC for this game.

Conclusion

The Raiders offensive line has been getting its ass kicked the last two weeks. It's time for them to look in the mirror and take it out on the defending champions. Michael Bush needs to explode and dominate. The Raiders need sustained drives, and lots of them.

They need to keep Rodgers off of the field for long stretches and wear out the Packers' D while keeping theirs fresh. This need to be a no nonsense, bully game plan.

The Packers run a lot of defensive plays in a two down lineman nickel set. This isn't just for passing downs either. They'd be wise not to do that against Oakland. If they do, the Raiders need to crush them with the run.

Samson Satele and Cooper Carlisle are both more effective on the second level than the point of attack, and Bush is a load for an LB to bring down.

Run, run, run the ball Hue—bully it down their undefeated throats.

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McFadden, Ford, Moore, and Jones all out for Sunday according to Hue

There goes most of the hope that we could be competitive I’m afraid. We really needed our playmakers available for a game like this. We just don’t have the pieces in place to make any noise against a team like this. It’s a shame because with those guys playing…we very well could have been the ones to take out the Pack and take control of our own destiny.

You know what would make a good story? Something about a clown who makes people happy, but inside he's real sad. Also, he has severe diarrhea.

by Buster Bluth on Dec 9, 2011 12:20 PM PST reply actions  

True

Though Sunday it will be DHB’s chance to prove he was worth a #1 pick.

by rightnasty on Dec 9, 2011 12:43 PM PST up reply actions  

In the words of John Lennon

All we need is Bush! I would expand on this, but I already did with an entire article.

They charged me 15 dollars. That's how much it costs to only have 20 dollars.

by Rich Langford on Dec 9, 2011 12:52 PM PST up reply actions  

Sure

But we’re gonna have to throw sometimes, and we know at least one of our TEs can’t catch soooo…

by rightnasty on Dec 9, 2011 1:25 PM PST up reply actions  

lol i dont remember that line

"We want to win. The Raider fans deserve it. The Raider players deserve it, even my organization deserves it. You have to win and you have to win with a vision for the Super Bowl. That's our passion here."--Al Davis

"Winning isn't everything, but wanting to win is."--Vince Lombardi

by Marcus Allen Krause on Dec 9, 2011 2:16 PM PST up reply actions  

DHB has been playing hard all season

And while I think he was drafted too high, that’s not his fault. The guy has worked his ass off and earned my respect.

I just hope our O-Line shows up and gives Palmer and Bush a chance at making some plays. I still expect a blow out, but I’m hoping that the Raiders can play hard the full 60 minutes.

by Chris2814 on Dec 9, 2011 1:45 PM PST up reply actions  

If we can't run the ball and, of course, score some serious points

we’re history. We have to eat up the clock and keep Rodgers off the field.
Of course, if we can knock him off the field, all the better.

by Raaddad on Dec 9, 2011 2:18 PM PST reply actions  

Run

Not as in what the Defense is doing at the the thought of playing the Packers offense, but run the damn rock. Our playmakers are gone, they should be over that by now. We have Bush, and he can hit the gut hard. The matchup favors our running game. If we do that consistently, convert third downs, limit coverage mistakes, and not commit a ton of penalties……………we can at least make the game competitive. Realistically their offense is ridiculous and about 20X better than our Defense. We need to keep our D rested, hope for a perfect game from them (yes, perfect), and keep Rodgers on the sideline. If not Raider Nation, pace yourself on the booze for it will be going down a plenty.

by lakers007raiders on Dec 9, 2011 2:39 PM PST reply actions  

i think

our speed on Defense might be able to help some of the ridiculous plays that Rodgers pulls offf.. also if we have a strong pass rush this game (nothing like the Miami game something more like the Texans game) we have a shot here! and i need big BUSH to run for 125+ and we got this!

by rips187z on Dec 9, 2011 2:45 PM PST up reply actions  

40%

Forty percent of the Offense is out yet again. Rodgers may just throw for 500 yards.

by Mallard Davis on Dec 9, 2011 2:44 PM PST reply actions  

How can we get blown out by Miami and expect to compete with the packers

are D has not been up to the challenge . Chuck B is fired as far as im concerned. Seems like he calls the wrong blitzes , and coverage’s, guys are always out of position. It seems we re constantly getting burnt . Alot of that has to do with the players to. I just dont see the speed on the defensive side of the ball.

by Sonoma County Raider fan on Dec 9, 2011 3:05 PM PST reply actions  

Johnson

Johnson is back at CB and had a bad game last week too.

by Mallard Davis on Dec 9, 2011 3:41 PM PST up reply actions  

Eternal Hope

I love Bush…I also agree with you that the offensive line HAS to step up and be dominate this game. If we establish the run game and give Palmer time to throw the ball we can and will be competitive with GB. I’m looking for the O line to step up this game and maybe Breezy will miss the flight as well.

by Raider1978 on Dec 9, 2011 4:17 PM PST reply actions  

Pound the Bush

O line really needs to make a statement in this one. No more getting your asses handed to you by guys you should whoop.

""The massive Raider Nation is beyond doubt the sleaziest and rudest and most sinister mob of thugs and wackos ever assembled."--Hunter S. Thompson
"In football, I root for the Oakland Raiders because they hire castoffs, outlaws, malcontents, and fuck -ups, they have lots of penalties, fights, and paybacks, and because Al Davis told the rest of the pig NFL owners to go get fucked. Someday, the Raiders will be strong again, and they will dip the ball in shit and shove it down the throats of the wholesome, white, heartland teams that pray together and don't deliver late hits." - George Carlin.

by brhynno on Dec 9, 2011 4:33 PM PST reply actions  

It never gets old, does it?

I mean, the phrase “We need to pound the Bush” … makes me smile, every time … still ;)

by Brett J Valjalo on Dec 9, 2011 6:06 PM PST up reply actions  

it never does

I must say, for all the animosity Darren’s been creating amongst the Nation of late, there is far too little appreciation of this manbeast who can and will deliver us to the victory the world said wouldn’t happen.

""The massive Raider Nation is beyond doubt the sleaziest and rudest and most sinister mob of thugs and wackos ever assembled."--Hunter S. Thompson
"In football, I root for the Oakland Raiders because they hire castoffs, outlaws, malcontents, and fuck -ups, they have lots of penalties, fights, and paybacks, and because Al Davis told the rest of the pig NFL owners to go get fucked. Someday, the Raiders will be strong again, and they will dip the ball in shit and shove it down the throats of the wholesome, white, heartland teams that pray together and don't deliver late hits." - George Carlin.

by brhynno on Dec 9, 2011 6:58 PM PST up reply actions  

if and when he's healthy

"Now I know what your thinking, did he fire six shots or only five. Ive forgotten myself in all this excitement, but being that this is the 44 magnum, the most powerful handgun in the world and could blow your head clean off, you have to ask your question. Do I feel lucky? Well do ya punk!"
Dirty Harry Callahan

by rambis64 on Dec 9, 2011 10:33 PM PST up reply actions  

I was referring to Mike Bush

I can see how my ambiguity would suggest otherwise.

""The massive Raider Nation is beyond doubt the sleaziest and rudest and most sinister mob of thugs and wackos ever assembled."--Hunter S. Thompson
"In football, I root for the Oakland Raiders because they hire castoffs, outlaws, malcontents, and fuck -ups, they have lots of penalties, fights, and paybacks, and because Al Davis told the rest of the pig NFL owners to go get fucked. Someday, the Raiders will be strong again, and they will dip the ball in shit and shove it down the throats of the wholesome, white, heartland teams that pray together and don't deliver late hits." - George Carlin.

by brhynno on Dec 10, 2011 9:29 AM PST up reply actions  

Plus

Michael Bush so infrequently gets any praise in this forum. Didn’t seem to matter whether Fargas was the starter or McFadden. Not enough love for #29.

by rightnasty on Dec 10, 2011 10:14 AM PST up reply actions  

Bush takes it up the middle

Al Davis the Greatest Raider of all times... You will live forever in the hearts of true Raider fans...RIP

by samiam2112 on Dec 10, 2011 3:59 PM PST via iPhone app up reply actions  

Hahaha

Yes, the Bush must be pounded!!!!
+1, :P

by lakers007raiders on Dec 9, 2011 6:27 PM PST up reply actions  

The key to this game is simple

Play keep away from Aaron Rodgers.

He can’t score if we can keep their defense on the field. We run a barrage of Michael Bush and continue to work the short routes to DHB. We can beat their pass rush by doing what we do best. We run the ball, get them on their heels and then take them apart.

Our defense can not come out flat for a second against these guys. The Packers have become without a doubt the “Blink and the score changes” type of team. We have to attack them on all fronts, every single play. We cannot let up on them for even a moment. Our man coverage base will be the reason why we will eventually give their offense trouble. While Rodgers is without a doubt the best in the game, he’s never faced us before.

The challenge is daunting, but if this team is going to make any kind of playoff run, this weekend is the time to show it. Injured and backed into a corner is where our team is currently standing, but just like a wild animal that is when we should be the most dangerous. This game is all or nothing. If we can’t at least give them a run for their money, you can forget about the progress we have seen so far.

If the Raiders heart and desire show up this Sunday, I say the Packers will get knocked down a peg when we steamroll them at home. If those imposters that played in Miami show up then we can go ahead and Pack (Pardon the pun) it in.

"The Raiders are the Bad Guy Professional Wrestlers of the NFL. Everybody hates us, and loves nothing more then to watch us lose. We got the costumes, we got the facepaint, and the attitude. All we are missing is a bunch of rednecks to start chanting USA USA USA at us..." - ME

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by TheDudeAbides138 on Dec 9, 2011 7:57 PM PST reply actions  

Your exactly right Rich

that is how to beat the Packers…now the real question… can we pull it off?

We cannot afford to fall behind at all, if we can take up a huge amount of clock and score a touch down, chances are that Mr Rogers and Co. will score on our defense in less than a minute. So it really will come down to eating up as much clock as possible at the end of the game and score the winning points as the clock runs out… do I expect it to happen?…No!…but it sure would be sweet if it did!

"Now I know what your thinking, did he fire six shots or only five. Ive forgotten myself in all this excitement, but being that this is the 44 magnum, the most powerful handgun in the world and could blow your head clean off, you have to ask your question. Do I feel lucky? Well do ya punk!"
Dirty Harry Callahan

by rambis64 on Dec 9, 2011 10:41 PM PST reply actions  

On the other hand, Carson has a positive history throwing against GB type defenses

http://nflfilms.nfl.com/2011/12/09/why-the-raiders-will-beat-the-packers-sunday/?module=HP11_content_stream

But the biggest similarity is Palmer, who has faced Capers’ defensive scheme many times. As a Bengal, he played Dick LeBeau’s Steelers twice a year. LeBeau and Capers run the same system.

Three times Palmer defeated the Steelers in Pittsburgh, throwing 7 TDs to just 2 INTs, with a passer rating of 96. Considering it’s been equally as difficult to win in Pittsburgh as it’s been to win in Green Bay the past few years, Palmer’s four road wins speaks to his leadership and confidence against the LeBeau/Capers scheme.

S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
"George Blanda ... I really believe he is the greatest clutch player in the history of this game." Al Davis

by Sons-of-Blanda on Dec 10, 2011 5:40 AM PST reply actions  

Though Carson has faced the likes of this defense before,

I feel if we try to get into a passing shootout with Aaron Rogers we will loose big.

The way I see it, the only way to keep them from scoring is to keep them off the field with long run based scoring drives that eat up clock and score touchdowns.

We can mix in some short passes, but scoring quickly on bombs will just get the same result from them.
The Packers can score points when on the field. it’s what they do. The only way to stop it is to keep em off the field, it would also keep our beleaguered defense rested and ready to put up whatever resistance they can.

"Now I know what your thinking, did he fire six shots or only five. Ive forgotten myself in all this excitement, but being that this is the 44 magnum, the most powerful handgun in the world and could blow your head clean off, you have to ask your question. Do I feel lucky? Well do ya punk!"
Dirty Harry Callahan

by rambis64 on Dec 10, 2011 4:36 PM PST up reply actions  

If GB is so potent, then we'll need to score a lot too. We can't expect to suddenly raise our 3rd down conversion %

Whatever works is the way to go. By all means have a plan going in but be flexible to exploit discovered opportunities and push it till it no longer works. After points, we want 1st downs and the best way to get them will be known as the game progresses.

S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
"George Blanda ... I really believe he is the greatest clutch player in the history of this game." Al Davis

by Sons-of-Blanda on Dec 10, 2011 9:25 PM PST up reply actions  

Sure always be flexible,

but if we can’t keep them off the field for long periods of time we’re doomed.
If our defense (as it is) is not capable of holding down Miami they have no shot at GB no matter how well we may match up, we need them off the field as much as possible and the only way to do that is with long sustained drives for touchdowns.

Throwing bombs is not going to accomplish that and would probably play right into GB hands, I wouldn’t be surprised if they wanted us to throw deep all day and left it open for us to try and stacked up against the run, because they know their best chance to win is a shoot out.

"Now I know what your thinking, did he fire six shots or only five. Ive forgotten myself in all this excitement, but being that this is the 44 magnum, the most powerful handgun in the world and could blow your head clean off, you have to ask your question. Do I feel lucky? Well do ya punk!"
Dirty Harry Callahan

by rambis64 on Dec 11, 2011 9:26 AM PST up reply actions  

GBAY GAME

Good post rick, goin into the miami game i had in back of my head that oak matched up to well with gbays’ passing game, and that if they go 12-0 vs oak , oak would knock them off,.BUT NOT AFTER WHAT I SAw on offense the last 8 qtrs, vs bears & miami the off is listless and looks poorly coached. so in summation vs gbay, this raider team is more then capable of bumping off anyone, but rite now due to a variety of reasons the deck is stacked against them.
THEY can no longr run on 1st down ! HUE is really a IDIOT ! ive seen enuff with this guy. When a team runs a 1st down, and then on 2nd down, what are they gonna do on 3rd down ???? PASS THE BALL DAH !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
, THIS IS LEADING TO POOR LINE PLAY aNd to many sacks lately BY OAK !
the PREDICTABILTY ! THIS IS ALL ON HUE ! they need to pass and play action on 1st down,to one of their backs & te’s that is always effective , then go run or pass on 2nd & 3rd downs, i really think this hue guy is the problem in oakland, they r never OVERACHEIVING week to week, they UNDERACHEIVE every week, the coach is what supposed to get u from underacheiving to overacheiving ! period ! and OAK has yet to do that this year ! period ! what oak has to do sunday is win the coin toss and opt to recieve 1st, if hue opt to DEFER he should be beaten on the spot ! the whole game plan vs gbay is a simple one step plan KEEP RODGERS OFF THE FIELD AT ALL TIMES, EVEN TRY A ONSIDE KICK , AND THEN A FAKE PUNT , THEN A FAKE FG, TO BUY MORE TIME, AND GET TD’S IN GBAY. IS REQUIRED .RIDGER MITE VERY WELL HAVE HIS WORSE GAME SUNDAY VS THE OAK DEFENSE , SO THE OFFENSE NEEDS TO EXECUTE vs the pack, 44 run atts, bush gets 28 , reece gets 8 atts, rock , wr’s and qb get the other 8 atts, palmer needs to go 27 atts @ 70% ZERO SACKS ON 3RD DOWNS, AND OF COURSE O INTS, if they can execute this THEY WIN THIS GAME, I THINK OAKS DEF HOLD RODGERS TO 54 % , AND GETS 2 TO’S , WHICH WILL BE ENUFF TO WIN,
BUT THIS IS ALL PREDICATED ON OAKS’ OFFENSE HOLDING ON TO THE BALL FOR 19+ MINS IN 1ST HALF, THE ONLY WAY THEY CAN DO THAT IS WIN TOSS, AND PROCEED TO PASS ON 1ST DOWN TO HB FB TE FLNKR, THEN EITHER PLAY ACT ON 2ND & 3RD OR RUN ON 2ND & 3RD, AFTER THOSE 1ST FEW CRITICAL POSSESIONS THEY WILL HAVE THEIR CONFIDENCE BACK AND IT WELL THEN BE A CLOSELY MATCHED CONETEST FOR LAST 3 QTRS,
LETS HOPE HUE WINS THE TOSS AND DONT DEFER , LETS HOPE HUE PLAY ACTS ON 1ST & 2ND DOWNS, LETS HOPE HUE READS THIS POST ( HAHAHA) THIS GAME CAN GET AWAY EARLY ON GBAYS 1ST 2 POSSESIONS, IF HUE PLAYS THIS SAME WAY HE HAS BEEN, DeFERS KickOFF , THEN RUNS ON 1ST & 2ND DOWN AND THEN PASSES ON 3RD DOWNS, TRYING TO ESTABLISH THE RUN GAME THRU ATTRITION, SO IT IS TRULY UP TO THE COACH STAFF TO WIN THIS GAME OR LOSE THIS GAME !
where do u get those stats on type of runs , i cant find any better then stats inc,

by IRAIDER on Dec 10, 2011 6:07 AM PST reply actions  

I think the back to back 30-yard carry games

caught up with Bush. Hopefully he’s healthy and ready to ground and pound.

AFC West Assassins...

by Porcupine on Dec 11, 2011 9:33 AM PST up reply actions  

He had a phenomenal run till Miami, something like 90 carries in 3 games averaging over 110/game

S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
"George Blanda ... I really believe he is the greatest clutch player in the history of this game." Al Davis

by Sons-of-Blanda on Dec 11, 2011 12:46 PM PST up reply actions  

I think that what has been happening with the poor play of the o-line...

stems from the possible notion that they are no longer a novelty. The o-line was re-vamped at the start of the season and no one really knew who they were for the most part. They played at a level for a while as the best in the league. As their notoriety developed, teams became aware of who they are and are now preparing or planning against them. This means that the 0-line has to step up to the next level as they are no longer fresh news in the NFL. The adjusted playing should make the 0-line much better in the long run but they have to step it up now that we are getting close to the end of the season.

by RaiderPsycho on Dec 10, 2011 2:17 PM PST reply actions  

Greenbay VS Oakland

Listen…..the word is right now the only way to beat Greenbay is to #1 Hope Aaron Rodgers has a bad game. 2. PRAY. i CAN SAY THT THE RAIDER FANS KNOW FOOTBALL BETTER THAN THE VIKINGS OR LION FANS. THEY JUST TALK SHIT. SEE YA’LL TOMMORROW AFTERNOON! Hopefully The Pack will continue on to Greatness and immortality……..

by pasterio on Dec 10, 2011 5:56 PM PST reply actions  


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