Raiders Linebackers: Taking Stock, 3-4 Or Not
Whether we remain in the 4-3 or convert to 3-4, we need to take a hard look at our LBs and figure what needs to be done to climb out of the hole we're in against the rush.
Our 1st Rounder, Death Ro, showed steady progress over the season and put some devastating hits on smaller RBs and WRs but also on larger targets - FBs and TEs. I'm confident McClain will only improve under Biekert and our new DC.
Warden Wimbley proved himself the QB slayer he was billed to be in college and as a rookie 5 years ago. Under Mike Waufle, Kamerion was positioned on the edges and slashed through gaps on stunts and blitzes that wreaked havoc in backfields.
Travis Goethel returned from back surgery to show some of the fierce play that he dazzled Oakland fans with during the preseason. Go-to-Hell, has an instinct for the ball and plays the middle like a young version of Dick Butkus. I have a lot of confidence in him and expect him to have a break-out season.
Thomas Howard, now in his 6th year, did not see much action on D (for some reason) but did play well on STs. Howard is a reliable OLB in passing situations though sometimes struggled against the rush.
The Drut squad:
Ricky Brown is really not a very good player. He is slow and lacks most of the football instincts one expects from a professional. Brown mostly played STs last season and managed to get a total of one (1) tackle on STs all season. He did have 2 assists and recovered a couple of fumbles. When he did come in, e.g. Jacksonville, he was worthless.
"San Quentin" Groves, the 3rd member of the pre-ordained "Cell Block" was disappointing. While Groves does hit hard he is also poor in pass coverage and gets blocked out of plays on a regular basis. Oakland ranked #29 against the Rush last season and Groves play on the weak-side should receive due credit for the huge contribution to the Raiders abysmal rushing defense.
Sam Williams, a perennial survivor on the roster, enters his 9th year. While Sam still contributes significantly on STs, we have to consider whether it is time to thank him for his contribution and move on.
Unknown:
Bruce Davis, Jr. - someone fill me in.
Discussion:
Whether we go to a 3-4 or remain as we are, we need one or two Linebackers, i.e. Outsider LBs, who are run stoppers. My preference would be the best available in the 2nd or, no later than, 3rd round. Rush Defense is still our top priority if we are to make it to the playoffs and do something once we get there.
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Are there reports that we might switch? Or is this speculation? Anyways...
HEre’s my front seven:
Houston, Draft pick, Seymour
Wimbley, McClain, Howard, Scott
Scott is on the rght side, because that where he has to pass rush from the left tackle.
Howard is at weakside LB, because he can cover pretty well, and he can utilize his speed at the position.
McClain at strongside, because he is getting better at sniffing out the run, and will help wimbley out if he needs it. Also should get better at plugging in holes in the middle.
Wimbley Im honestly not too sure of. Id like to have a guy who can contain the run on that side(dont know if wimbley can do that).
Houston was a 4-3 DT in college, as was seymour. They both fit the 3-4 end spot imo, and we need to grab a big, penetrating(lol) NT in the draft.
If we get Herzlich, he’ll be next to Mcclain, with Howard rotating in every so often. There are some very god OLBs this draft as well.
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Scott played more DE and is still list as such. I'd prefer Howard to Groves on the outside - Thomas is fine in coverage
But I’m still not confident in Thomas Howard against the Rush – no reason to be.
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by Sons-of-Blanda on Feb 10, 2011 11:20 AM PST up reply actions
Which is why We need an OLB still with this.
Let me see who is on Free Agency This year.
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by NFLanalyzerfromhome on Feb 10, 2011 11:24 AM PST up reply actions
How about.....Kirk Morrison back with us as an OLB?
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by NFLanalyzerfromhome on Feb 10, 2011 11:26 AM PST up reply actions
It would be a vast improvement - Kirk was a sure tackler. But I'm hoping for a Hitter like Herzlich or Matthews
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by Sons-of-Blanda on Feb 10, 2011 11:29 AM PST up reply actions
Which round would they go?
Because I still want Wizniewski in the 2nd round.
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by NFLanalyzerfromhome on Feb 10, 2011 11:31 AM PST up reply actions
Wisniewski's going early in the 2nd ~ 6th so unless we trade up he's gone
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by Sons-of-Blanda on Feb 10, 2011 11:37 AM PST up reply actions
Aw shoot.
Then OLB it is.
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by NFLanalyzerfromhome on Feb 10, 2011 11:38 AM PST up reply actions
Herzich is mid 2nd round.
I say if Wiz is there though, I would rather grab him. There is a lot more depth at OLB than Center.
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
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And,
I’d rather a sure tackler, rather than a hitter that might overpursue.
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by NFLanalyzerfromhome on Feb 10, 2011 11:32 AM PST up reply actions
THIS
I won’t mind Kirk coming back. We seem to have a better overall defense for him anyways. lol
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
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Matthews?
And Herzlich would be BEAST.
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
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Thought so. Heard he was alright but I didnt take a look at him. XD
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
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Yes, I think Mathews would be a good replacement for Groves
Statistically, Wimbley has been good at stopping the run in general compared to other players on other teams playing at his position.
by RaiderPsycho on Feb 10, 2011 6:53 PM PST up reply actions
My Man Chad Greenway will be available if
he’s not Franchised. He is just what the doctor odered for us.
JUST DOMINATE BABY !!!
the thing is, 4-3 DEs can transition to 3-4 OLBs.
In scotts case, due to his speed and pas rush, he should be better fit at LOLB. :)
4-3 OLBs tend to do a lot better at 3-4 ILB. I think this is due because 4-3 OLBs are there to contain more, as the 4-3 DEs rush the passer. They also rush occasionally. So I think in terms of containment, and covering TEs and RBs, Howard would be best fit in 3-4 ILB next to McClain.
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
formerly patriotguy2 ;)
Ro & Go can do both - plug the gaps and cover. In a 3-4 they're my ILBs ... but convince me otherwise
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by Sons-of-Blanda on Feb 10, 2011 4:40 PM PST up reply actions
lol I dont need to. its your opinion. XD
I think Howard would best fit in the middle, and scott on the outside. or maybe howard and geothal can interchange in the middle as well. i dont know.
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
formerly patriotguy2 ;)
In the 3-4,
we have to use Wimbley like he is Clay Matthews. Now, I will say this: in order for us to Maximize Wimbley’s potential, we HAVE to stay the way we are – as a 4-3. Wimbley had 9 sacks this year….the only other year he had higher was his rookie season in 2006, when the Browns were in 4-3. However, if we use him like Clay Matthews, he can still get the desird number of sacks.
For the 3-4, I would prefer this: Wimbley-McClain-Goethel-Howard.
EVEN SO, we STILL need an OLB. Howard is just way too inconsistent in run coverage.
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by NFLanalyzerfromhome on Feb 10, 2011 11:23 AM PST up reply actions
That's exactly how I have it; same conclusion too.
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by Sons-of-Blanda on Feb 10, 2011 11:27 AM PST up reply actions
The thing is though
Howard would not be in the position at ILB where it is focused on the run. There are to types of ILB:
One position is mainly for clogging up holes and such, while the other is mainly for pass coverage, and slightly containment.
Howard would be in the latter. I seem to like that, but thats just me. And because the LOLB MUST have a pass rusher, I still think Scott should go there(plus 4-3 DEs usually transition well at 3-4 OLB).
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
formerly patriotguy2 ;)
What about Shaughnessy? Move him to DE and have Seymour NT.
by J. Da Pirate on Feb 13, 2011 1:59 PM PST up reply actions
We aren't going to mess with the defensive line alignment
I agree that we still need help at outside linebacker, but I can’t see Mike Waufle or the rest of the Raiders defensive staff going along with changing the entire alignment of the defensive front 7, especially the way the defensive line played last year. Furthermore, we simply don’t have the personnel to run the 3-4 right now. I do not see this happening.
"When we play tough, and we play physical, and when we play the way we're supposed to play, can't nobody beat us." - Richard "SeaMonster" Seymour
I don't either.
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"We had to get back to who we are, and that's physical and smash-mouth." - Robert Gallery 12/5/2010
by Sons-of-Blanda on Feb 10, 2011 12:14 PM PST up reply actions
All we need is a NT personally.
But I agree with you. All we need is an OLB or two, and we will be a lot better. Our DL played great last year, and McClain will have a year in the system this year.
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
formerly patriotguy2 ;)
Shawn Rodgers was just cut By the Browns !!!
If we’re going to switch it up, not saying fulltime, but as a change of pace Defense, (I just don’t see Al D. changing his ways totally, at this point) Rodgers, along with Bowen were cut today !!! Both can play the NT, and Rodgers, a ProBowler in 09. was hurt most of all the season last year, with in ankle injury would be perfect. For that matter either one(Bowens) would do !!! Neither would cost much !!! Rodgers was due 5.5 Mil. this year.
that would be nice
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
formerly patriotguy2 ;)
I think a 5-2 D would be interesting
Houston and Seymour at DE with Scott and Shaughnessy rotating in
Kelly DT,Pick up Shawn Rodgers in FA as NT and Henderson/Bryant at DT .
"The time is now"
Hue Jackson
I Loved It When We Ran It...Think It's The Best Opportunity...Can Switch In And Out Of Several Schemes With The Monster 5-2 As Base,,
Do we need that 350# “DT”…
The Cleveland Browns are cleaning house.
The team Wednesday terminated the contracts of some big-name players, including their biggest player — enormous nose tackle Shaun Rogers.
The 350-pound-plus Rogers, a three-time Pro Bowl selection, was slowed by injuries and played sparingly last season. He was due to make $5.5 million in 2011 with a $500,000 roster bonus and $100,000 workout bonus.
Regardless of any change in defensive philosophy I really think we should target Casey Matthews
The kid makes big plays as evidenced with his forced fumble in the title game. He is being projected as a mid round pick but I can see him moving up the board but would be great value even in the mid second
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by Ozraider on Feb 10, 2011 3:38 PM PST via mobile reply actions
I'm all for flexibility and changing things up
But I don’t think our D-line benefits from Kelly, Seymour, and Houston rotating the DE spots. I also think this would leave Shaugnessy without a position. I think the strength of our line has been the ability of the guys I mentioned being able to move up and down the line and causing chaos for the O-line in pass protection. However, our run defense has not been good for a while and having a run stuffing NT in the middle may be a huge benefit to our line and rotation for flexibility and differing looks.
"I’m back to my first love – the Oakland Raiders and working with the Offensive Line. I’m a Raider for life." -- Steve Wisniewski
I mentioned this in another post, but Groves has to go.
He ranks dead last in the league in supporting the DE (Houston) to stop the run. He is the biggest reason for giving up the huge runs once a rb breaks the line of scrimmage on his side. Nevertheless, I order my preferences in the draft as first a C, then a RT, then the OLB, provided that Campbell will make a good replacement for Carlisle at RG.
Hopefully we'll address the O line hole before the draft with a capable free agent
Of which, there are many. Go after Herzlich with our first pick, and we will be on our way. We might even be able to upgrade OLB further with free agents, and thank Sam Williams for keeping a roster spot warm for us.
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I didn't like Groves at first,
but he seemed to get better later in the season.
In any event, I like the sack and stuff numbers our 4-3 gets.
4-3, 3-4, 5-2, 4-6 whatever
we need to run a D that shores up our weaknesses and taking advantage of our strengths as of opening day. IMO a good D coach/coordinator and all the assistants will figure a way to best utilize our roster and figure a way to have those players put in situations and given assignments that help make them productive. Every year in the FA signings there is a good group of those players that change situations and go to another team. This same group of players just don’t seem to produce like they did prior to changing teams. IMO once again this is just a facet of the “system” they are in and not because they were great players before they were tier 2 players that came off so well because their coaches knew how to use them to compliment the star players that made the unit a whole. Belicheat is one of these coaches that seems to get the most out of a player and then when he thinks he can get more for them by trading than their current value is to him and he probably feels he can get another player to fill in that is cheaper and maybe do a better job.
IMO last year (and many years prior) our DC called a system as a philosophy rather than figuring out a way to hide our weaknesses and make the most of our true star players to give us the best possible chance. Another way of looking at it is look at GB. Charles is no track star anymore but they used him in the system to hide his decreased speed and zone it up and have him coming hot off the corner. Troy is used as almost a floater all the time to take advantage of his great instincts for the ball and I think he has pretty good speed (when healthy) as he can do some man coverage at times. This is what we need to do with our D. Use our players to make the system don’t create a system and philosophy then push our roster into it.
Who gives a shit, who gives a fuck?
by TheLyleAlzadoPunch on Feb 10, 2011 8:24 PM PST reply actions
Well, consider yourself fortunate b/c Coach Hue has said, in no uncertain terms, that he will build the system around our personnel
However, I do not believe that when Hue said that he intended to keep everyone on the roster. When a LB is getting blocked out of plays, or taking himself out, a coach can plan and figure all day and night and still be unable to find a way to put that player in a situation to be productive. We have a lot of talent in many positions and we, like most other teams, have gaps. So we need coaches that maximize the potential of their rosters and we need some better football players in several positions, i.e. ROT, RG, WS-LB, and FS … if Nnam add CB.
S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
"We had to get back to who we are, and that's physical and smash-mouth." - Robert Gallery 12/5/2010
by Sons-of-Blanda on Feb 10, 2011 8:55 PM PST up reply actions
If Nnam leaves ...
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"We had to get back to who we are, and that's physical and smash-mouth." - Robert Gallery 12/5/2010
by Sons-of-Blanda on Feb 10, 2011 8:56 PM PST up reply actions
Of course
I understand that we have some with greater weaknesses at some positions than what we can make up for no matter the system. However we must also understand that we cannot have a roster full of All Pro players. I think we can get some players to fill those positions without having a payroll double the existing one but also get players that will be an upgrade over the current ones.
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by TheLyleAlzadoPunch on Feb 11, 2011 4:32 AM PST up reply actions
I agree with you
We don’t adjust on defense and every team knows that. It seems AL has hired John Marshall all over again. I don’t see Nnamdi coming back to play man to man every down. If Al wants to keep Nnamdi and win Change up the defense. I am willing to bet if we hire a stud DC Nnamdi will play for less and have better #’s.
I Think You Need To Have A Base Scheme....Settle On It And Get The Pieces That Fit...Problems Come From So Many Coaching Changes...
What was the plan one season gets scrapped for the new plan the next and on and on it goes…In the end we have a collection of draft picks and "FA"s that don’t fit anything as a whole…Just a collection of individual parts…The whole is NOT great if all the great parts in the world don’t mesh as a team unit and play well together…Continuity is an issue….Consistency suffers as a result…It’s a vicious circle that leaves us devastated season after season…
I think we have found the right man for the “O” finally….I hope we sign Winston Moss and he’s the right man for the “D”…Than I pry for stability and commitment so that we have is long lasting and productive…But by now my knees are sore and my arms are weak from holding my hands up….
Of course you need a base scheme
I understand that. Having the set up and assignments go that way and making the most of the talent is what is needed.
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by TheLyleAlzadoPunch on Feb 11, 2011 4:29 AM PST up reply actions
No way
No way the Raiders switch to the 3-4, Al Davis is big on the 4-3—-and has been for a long, long time.
Refuse to tiptoe through life only to arrive safely at death
Since Mike Wauffle remains
Raiders defensive line coach means we will be primarily a 4-3 defense as he is a 4-3 coach; no team sacked the QB per pass play more then the Raiders. In fact the Raiders were only defensive unit over 9%.
Huedoes want to play 4-3 at times, which Al does agree to. Al simply wants he Raiders to primarily a 4-3.
Raiders do need to draft another linebacker though; I am hoping for Matthews, LB, Oregon.
Like others have said I hope the Raiders move up to get Penn St.’s Wisneiwski, C/G; they will have to move up around ten spots.
Raiders could always wait to see when he gets drafted them make a trade for him.
$$$ for Defense
sign Mr. Seymour to a 2yr $25 million dollar contract and Mr. Asomugha to a 3yr $30 million dollar contract make it all guaranteed even (this frees up 7 million compared to last year)- in simple terms
which allows us to give Mr. Wimbley a raise and sign him for a 4yr contract.
3 solid LBs
Mr. McClain & Mr. Goethel we have under contract for the next three years.
Mr. Wimbley is a priority for the Raiders to re-sign.
Drafting Matthews to this unit would form a solid linebacker corp, we need that aggresive, make a play attitude, Matthews would bring. A great combo to Rolando’s methodical approach to the game.
Casey Matthews is my first choice. From what I've read, Herzlich hasn't come back to his pre-cancer level; that's unfortunate
Matthews improved each year and once he lifts-on another 10-15 lbs is going make his mark right away.
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by Sons-of-Blanda on Feb 11, 2011 7:53 AM PST up reply actions
Herzlich went from a mid first rounder, to a mid second rounder.
he still got interceptions and made pays for the BC defense.
I’d still take Herzlich over Mathews. I heard mathews is not even close to his brother, but I still have to read up on him.
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
formerly patriotguy2 ;)
Unlikely Move...Al Rarely Goes After "LB"s With His 1st Pick...The "CB"-n-"S" Were Off The Board As Well As "OT"-n-"DT" So He Drafted "DeathRo"...
by PantyRaider on Feb 11, 2011 10:38 AM PST up reply actions
C.Matthews will go in the 3rd round (our second pick)
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"We had to get back to who we are, and that's physical and smash-mouth." - Robert Gallery 12/5/2010
by Sons-of-Blanda on Feb 11, 2011 11:40 AM PST up reply actions
You think
he will last that long? I thought he was a 2nd round projection.
Who gives a shit, who gives a fuck?
by TheLyleAlzadoPunch on Feb 11, 2011 12:03 PM PST up reply actions
Who knows. But are you willing to spend our 2nd round pick on him? I'd move up in the 3rd for him but that's it.
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"We had to get back to who we are, and that's physical and smash-mouth." - Robert Gallery 12/5/2010
by Sons-of-Blanda on Feb 11, 2011 1:40 PM PST up reply actions
I don't know how good he is
to be honest I can’t weigh in on draft choices that hard because I don’t get to watch much college ball as I treat patients on Saturday all the time and don’t want to spend a lot of time watching on Saturday nights either. I also don’t have the time to look at all of the video on projected players or suggestions. I try to build a bit of a educated guess by reading what you guys write.
With Matthews from what I was reading a lot of people seemed pretty high on getting him and he is a solid player at a needed position. You want a O lineman in the second I take it and I would prefer that if the Mankins get franchised and we have no other FA that is reasonable to fill our needs other than Light.
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by TheLyleAlzadoPunch on Feb 11, 2011 2:49 PM PST up reply actions
I would like to address the OL in the 2nd round unless a starter calibre FA is in the works.
Good LBs can be found in the 3rd round and if Sands makes it to the 4th we’ve got to get him.
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"We had to get back to who we are, and that's physical and smash-mouth." - Robert Gallery 12/5/2010
by Sons-of-Blanda on Feb 11, 2011 4:38 PM PST up reply actions
I would agree with that.
O line is something for sure I would like a solid maybe not super star WR FA signing. OLB seems to be a need too. Definitely O line and OLB first 2 picks unless a shit hot safety falls into our lap somehow.
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by TheLyleAlzadoPunch on Feb 11, 2011 5:04 PM PST up reply actions
Add
CB to that safety part.
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by TheLyleAlzadoPunch on Feb 12, 2011 7:10 AM PST up reply actions
Scott's a beast
If he comes back from injury I don’t see him being dislodged from the weak side OLB spot. I am sure there will be competition but Scott is an important player on D.
I also don’t see them moving McLain anywhere and Wimbley has the strong side. The only questions are depth which we need. Goethel is an excellent prospect but did not do much last year due to injury. I would agree Groves is not a top form type of player but he is much more serviceable than Ricky Brown who has pretty much run his course, even as a special teamer.
Sam Williams has been a scholarship player. I heard it first hand from Don Martindale during his stint as LB coach that playing Williams was not his decision. Translation is Al forced it down the coaching staff’s throats that they make Williams a starting OLB. What a joke and then when that failed they followed up by trying to make Ricky Brown the strong side LB.
Al must like Sam for some reason and that is why Sam Williams will occupy an undeserved roster spot again next season. Just get any rookie to play special teams. Why have him around if he sucks so bad he cannot provide any depth as an LB if needed.
Scott wasn't included in the OLB list because he played DE in 2010 and is still listed on the Raider.com depth chart as DE
Like Huff, Scott presents himself most notably rushing the backfield as he also did in the hybrid (elephant) position. I like Trevor’s play overall, but still think we’re better off with a 1st & 2nd down OLB-type run stopper. Our strength last season was brining heat into backfields – augmenting our decent DL w/LB & Safety blitzes & stunts like the Fire-Zone blitz that drops Shaughnessy into the LB zone and brings Wimbley. But, as we all witnessed, that obvious strength was hamstrung by Marshmallow who preferred to stay conservative and rush only the DL most of the time.
It’s a long shot McClain would move over for Goethel or someone new – but that doesn’t mean it wouldn’t work better for us.
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by Sons-of-Blanda on Feb 13, 2011 7:55 AM PST up reply actions
Brayton's play deteriorated over time and Trevor's, let's hope is rising. Also, Scott doesn't draw fining-offense PF's.
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by Sons-of-Blanda on Feb 13, 2011 8:21 AM PST up reply actions
If we switch to a 3-4 which I doubt, we still need to find two starting LB's and an NT.
We have Wimbley and McClain who both are perfect fits along with Seymour and Houston manning the ends. However Scott coming off of injury and never really being a great coverage option makes him a passing down contributor at best. Kelly is another guy I can see as a part-timer maybe being used in the down DT\DE position on pass rush downs as well since he has a history of getting swallowed up so he can’t play NT and Bryant is too small to as well. 4-3 makes the most sense because we only need to find one versatile player instead of an ILB and OLB along with a plugger in the middle to hold things down.
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Also regardless of these questions the only sure returning member of our secondary is SS.
We are not going to move to a 3-4 with the lack of talent along the front seven and no 1st round pick.
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I'm sure that's correct - we remain in the 4-3. The emphasis, however (and regardless) is the need for LBs who can
stop the rush, plug holes, shed blocks, cover, blitz, knock balls loose, intimidate. We have pass rushing LBs and that’s great, but the primary function of a LB is to bring down running back quickly and painfully.
S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
"We had to get back to who we are, and that's physical and smash-mouth." - Robert Gallery 12/5/2010
by Sons-of-Blanda on Feb 13, 2011 6:58 PM PST up reply actions
































