KA1Z3R's Mock Raiders Draft 1.0
by KA1Z3R on Feb 26, 2011 7:38 AM PST
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Well folks, it's time that I finally make a mock draft. I've held off for quite awhile doing this to some proper research and such. Looking through several other mock drafts, scanning prospects, and looking at needs, I've comprised a mock draft of the Oakland Raiders draft.
Thus without further adieu (and I hate doing long intros) the KA1Z3R Mock Draft Version 1.0
Second Round Pick- Mark Herzlich OLB Boston College
At 6-3, 250 pounds, Herzlich is an absolute massive force against the run. The Raiders are desperately in need of a guy at OLB who can those edge rushes that killed the D last year. The middle of the defense held itself pretty well with Kelly, Seymour, and McClain, but the OLB duo of Wimbley and Groves were torn up. This was due to their lack of awareness, agility, and tackling ability (though that's more Groves than Wimbley).
Wimbley will probably keep a starting job due to pass rush and the fact he fared better than Groves in all areas except coverage (surprisingly). Thus Groves will probably be getting demoted and for good reason if Herzlich comes in. Herzlich has one major trait that goes under the radar. Not his coverage (though with four INT's, he's definitely strong in that area), but his ability to take good pursuit angles. A fundamental football trait that Raiders linebackers have lacked for nearly a decade.
Herzlich's great awareness lets him quickly find the ball carrier and cut him off before he gets going. Travis Goethel does this very well himself. It's a key trait in a good linebacker, and Mark has more than enough of it as he led Boston College to the 2nd ranked rush defense.
Herzlich gets the pick here over Dontay Moch because Moch doesn't stop the run anywhere as well as Herzlich and played in a much weaker conference with not as good of stats. Herzlich is also picked over a DB because if the Raiders can't stop the opposing ground game, they have no hope of stopping the pass attack. This we have seen for quite some time. Finally, I didn't pick an O-Lineman because I believe the defense needs more work than the offense right now.
Secondary Pick: DeMarcus Love
Third Round Pick- Joseph Barksdale OT LSU
There's talk that Barksdale could drop into the third round, if he doesn't then this pick goes to either Marcus Gilbert or Orlando Franklin whom are both offensive tackles. Why? Because Hue Jackson needs power blockers for his line and all three fit the bill. I will focus on Barskdale though. He's got great size at 6-5, 325 and blocked for a great LSU rushing attack that was similar to what the Raiders want to run.
Barksdale projects as a RT in the NFL, which is fine as Veldheer has the left spot locked up. Barksdale is an improvement over whatever the Raiders have at RT and could push Langston Walker back to the natural RG spot. Barksdale is much more of a run blocker, though he's not too shabby in pass protection. Again, he's a definite improvement in that department over the current Raiders roster. He doesn't have a high ceiling, but brings immediate impact and immediate improvement.
OT gets picked over a DB because Hue is an offensive minded coach and he doesn't yet have the right players for the power blocking scheme he wants to run. Barksdale reminds me of a less whiny Jared Gaither, a guy Hue had the pleasure of being on the same team with. I think Hue Jackson won't be able to resist Barksdale if he drops to the Raiders pick and might even trade up for him if needed. However, this pick could very easily be a corner.
Secondary Pick: aforementioned OT alternates, a CB such as Ras-I Dowling or Chris Rucker, or best available OLB if Love is picked in second round
Fourth Round- Robert Sands S West Virginia
Long have I said that there is no way Robert Sands doesn't get picked by at least the second round. Who can blame me? After watching nearly every game he has played as I am West Virginia resident, I can firmly state that Sands has first round talent. And if he gets picked in the first, I wouldn't be surprised.
However, he has been inconsistent and has injury problems. He also has played in a weak conference and can vanish in big games (especially bowl games). I think though that Sands just needs better coaching. WVU's coaching is spotty at best, especially with the secondary. Any NFL level coaching would be a huge help.
Sands is fast, has a knack for getting the interception, and is a very good tackler. Raider safeties fill only the speed part of that equation. The Raiders desperately need better tackling from the safety position and Sands is more than capable of giving them the aid they need. Occasionally he'll go for the big hit and whiff on it, but more often than not he'll bring down the ball carrier. Plus at 6-5, 221, Sands is the athletic freak of nature Al Davis loves. You could see the Raiders take him as early as round 2, maybe even trading up in the third or fourth to get him if he slips that low.
Call me crazy, but a good safety against the run who can get turnovers consistently is a bigger need than corner. Sands is a once-in-a-lifetime player, and the Raiders need a future star. Sands could be the next Polamalu, he's just that good with that high of a ceiling. If Sands is taken earlier by a different team, than safety Deunta Williams is my pick. They have similar skill sets and both can start immediately.
Secondary Pick: CB's Mario Butler or Jalil Brown
Fifth Round- Greg Romeus DE Pittsburgh
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6-6, 270 pounds. Romeus is a big DE with 19 sacks in his collegiate career offers the Raiders great DE depth which they desperately need. I doubt Lamarr Houston has another injury free year, and who knows how Trevvor Scott will be after a season ending injury. Romeus was injured most of his senior year, however it was the only injury he had to that point.
A DT/DE hybrid in college, Romeus doesn't have the weight to really do the same thing in the NFL. However, he plays the run well and the Raiders need a consistent run stopper DE. Romeus improves the rotation and gives the Raiders needed depth.
Secondary Pick: Cornerback or TE
Sixth Round- Roy Helu Jr. RB Nebraska
The Raiders really need a good third running back. In today's NFL, you have to be three backs deep. I wouldn't count on Bush and McFadden to be as relatively injury free as last year. Plus, it's nice to have a good three back rotation ala New York Giants 2007. Roy Helu is a good balanced back. He brings a good blend of speed and power which would allow him to fill both Bush and McFadden roles.
There are issues with his ability to hold on to the ball, and he can disappear at times. But with limited carries as the third back, these shouldn't be concerns for Oakland. If Helu is taken earlier, as he very well could be, then this pick belongs to Evan Royster. A big name in college, a balanced back, but consistency concerns definitely drop him in this range.
Secondary Pick: TE, CB, or WR
Seventh Round- TJ Yates QB North Carolina
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Though I don't want, the Raiders will probably take a developmental QB. Yates fits the bill. He's got a strong arm, great accuracy, a good awareness. His running ability isn't as good as it could be, and he's pretty inconsistent at times. However, Yates is an underrated QB with a whole lot of potential.
Secondary Pick: TE or WR
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Nice Mock Kai3er
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by Raymond St. Martin (Saint) on Feb 26, 2011 8:08 AM PST reply actions
As much as people disagree, satele is a good center. He held his own against plenty of 3-4 NT, which was considered his big weakness.
The defense needs more work than the offense, Nd if the o-line needs any work, its rt/rg. Which both can be solved with my mock
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by KA1Z3R on Feb 26, 2011 10:17 AM PST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
Agreed.
Satele’s improvement has been surprising to say the least.
If the draft went this way
I would be a happy man. Good mock.
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I'd rather take Stefen With the first pick because or o-line is horrendous!!!!
by americaneagle510 on Feb 26, 2011 9:15 AM PST via mobile reply actions
Stefen is still a definite possibility for sure, but I think he will go in the first. Besides, the offense was not the problem last year. They scored plenty of points, the defense just gave up too many
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by KA1Z3R on Feb 26, 2011 10:12 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
I like OLB in 2nd or 3rd round
but not Herzlich. The guy has all of the intangibles, but unfortunately his illness and treatment have caused him to lose 2 steps, and he doesn’t match what the Raiders need out of a weakside LB.
1 offensive lineman is 1 too few as well I think. I’d say the Raiders take a guard and a tackle somewhere in the draft.
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Herzlich still has plenty of speed despite being 250. He doesn’t need straight line speed as much as he does lateral quickness and agility, which he is elite in. His strength also makes him a great block shedder. Especially on those lead blocking full backs that killed groves and wimbley
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by KA1Z3R on Feb 26, 2011 11:04 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
also
even ONE year of his illnes, and he is still considered a top OLB prospect. Im sure he would get healthier(he conquered his cancer I believe), and there is no doubt that he’ll still bring to the table, what our current LBs will not.
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
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Plus, to come back from what he's come back from,
Takes alot of heart, grit, and love of the game. All three of these things are superb to have in a player.
that
LB at 2 seems early for their need on the line. I think we go OL 2nd and 3rd round unless someone is there that is med risk high reward.
Offense was good enough for us to make playoffs, defense definitely not. Last year showed us that defense determines if you make the playoffs, Nand how you do once there
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by KA1Z3R on Feb 26, 2011 11:13 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
Voted "Pretty Good" but after further research would change my bote to "want this so bad". The only difficulty with it
is its probability. Barksdale won’t make it to the 3rd and Sands won’t make it to the 4th. I no longer have concerns about Barksdale, who it turns out was raised in Michigan, played his young football in Detroit before moving down to the Deep South Bigeasy State.These guys would address everything we lack now (assuming all key players from last season return).
Nice Moch, KA1z3r
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by Sons-of-Blanda on Feb 26, 2011 11:06 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
Could end up being love in the second and then sands or maybe even herzlich/Moch in the third.
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by KA1Z3R on Feb 26, 2011 11:32 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
Also I think the alternates listed for the positions of those picks will be there and bring immediate improvement
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by KA1Z3R on Feb 26, 2011 12:26 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
No way herzlich makes it to the 3rd.
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
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The Mock has different perspectives
I liked that it didn’t have the same fan favorites (as I have propsed myself a few times)-Wisniewski, Smith, Newton, Matthews, etc.
It seems Yates is moving up the draft boards in many multiple round mocks,
I’ve also noticed Sands & Dowling up & down the rounds as well.
solid mock, but I don’t think many will happen
Ehh..
I don’t see a need for a running back at this point, Rock Cartwright can play a 3rd string role while still fulfilling his special teams duties(that he performs very well). If it is a situation where we are in the 3rd stringer at that position, things are pretty grim anyway.
With that being said, I would much rather see another offensive lineman(pick one from the TCU squad)than a wasted pick on another running back.—-Personally, I really think that this draft should be focused primarily on offensive linemen and the defensive side of the ball. I love your Herzlich pick. I pray—please oh please pick up Winterswyke….
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I doubt there’s a quality lineman by round 6 and cartwright is special teams only. He gets stuffed so much. Look at new england, Pittsburgh, the jets and even green bay. Great teams who are three deep at running back. Green Ellis in new England, redman/Moore in Pittsburgh, mcknight with the jets, and kuhn/Jackson/starks in green bay. Backs who, though third string, can still play good football and start if needed. You have to be 3 deep to be great in the NFL. The raiders aren’t 3 deep right now
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by KA1Z3R on Feb 26, 2011 12:32 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
I don't expect
any good linemen in the 6th, either. Grab the linemen early, grab a safety, then grab some defensive goodness later. I’m not crazy about them drafting either a running back or a quarterback this season——-these two things aren’t the things we need to make the next step.
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i think we need a running back. With how much we run the ball, and with the injury rate of running backs (especially in case of an 18 game season), we need three quality running backs.
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Thats fine
And it is a well thought out want. I’m saying that even with thirty running backs a team is dead in the water if they can’t block, can’t reliably pass, and can’t stop the other team from scoring.
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Corners?
You have CB as a “secondary” pick in almost every round and yet you never have the Raiders selecting one. I guess you’re assuming Nnamdi will be back and I hope you’re right. Even so, a replacement for Chris Johnson is more important than most of the other selections you made, both for nickel situations and in case of injury to Nnamdi or Stan. I’m guessing the Raiders go corner and interior line in the second and third round.
Actually don’t think Nnamdi will be back. I just think that run defense, blocking, and safety play are bigger concerns. I know that our corners are far from good right now, but we need to stop the run before we can stop the pass.
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I am worried about the O Line and the big body Marcus Cannon from TCU can come in and play G right away...
Yates I like also, this kid is not flashy, but he is a accurate passer and will come late and cheap…He poses NO threat to Campbell for those that care about that, personally if you are a NFL player and NOT good enough to come in and dominate at your position, you should be nervous, this is football…Wis can play and his father is an ex Raider…yeah, yeah, but Kirkpatrick from TCU is a big boy and a beast at Center, and he played with Cannon if both are available don’t you take them.? Of course you do!!! I love Sands but will he really be there? If so take him, he is a beast of a Free Safety….Wisnewski won’t be there at 48 any way, his name will get him drafted. Nice board KA1Z3R, I posted one also, not my board originally, credit Jarrod for that however, Cannon, Fitzgerald and Yates were all on my board. I think we have to be careful and be sure we address that O line and to get both TCU lineman would be a coup…
by Rodney Sacramento on Feb 26, 2011 2:54 PM PST reply actions
Both TCU guys
=instant continuity on the line. Oh, both power blocking guys, too.
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all you really need to fix the O-Line is a right tackle. Getting Barksdale (or another one of the tackles listed on that pick) or maybe taking DeMarcus Love in the second will probably push Langston Walker over to RG where he’s very good. Langston at 365 pounds is an absolute bulldozer in the running game and you practically need two guys to move him in pass protection.
Walker goes from having to “attempt” (cause it was very ugly to watch) to outmaneuver speedy edge rushers at RT, to now using his brute strength against DT’s and 3-4 ends at RG. This takes care of RG and RT in one fell swoop.
Now as for center, I’ve said this countless times, Samson Satele is NOT a bad center. He spent his first year trying to get acclimated to the scheme and his teammates without getting a full season’s chance. This year had to learn a new scheme again and had to try to finish gelling with his linemates. As the year went on, he went from an average center to a pretty good one.
Satele is given another new scheme this year, but I think he’s going to do just fine in a new power block scheme. He was at his best late last year when Cable pretty much said “screw zone blocking, let’s just power ahead” and we became mostly power blocking. Satele was right there at the point of attack and was clearing the way for our backs, not easy when Carlisle is the guy beside you.
Move Walker over to RG and Satele will have better support and wont have Carlisle’s mistakes looking like his anymore. Satele proved last year that he can handle NT’s now (his big weakness two years ago and in Miami), and showed he can not only play in a power scheme, but succeed in it.
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by KA1Z3R on Feb 27, 2011 6:15 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
also, good luck finding a center in the draft who can block on the screen like Satele. He got us at least two touchdowns off his screen blocking alone last year, maybe more. Reece and McFadden wouldn’t have been as successful if Satele wasn’t blocking on those screens.
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+1,000 on Satale and Sands !!!
You guys know how I feel about Sands!!!! He won’t last to the 3rd or 4th round !! The only thing that bugs me about Satale is that damn head bobbing he does !!! IMO it gives away the snap count !!!! Other than that, he does the job adequately !!! With the amount of tackles in this draft, 3rd or 4th pick will do !!! But after watching the combine today, My head is swimming in defensive thinking !!! Blame Stephen Paea for this !!! Most of you here posting, have mentioned more than once about using the 3-4 more, but as you know we don’t have the personnel as of yet. This Uso would be the way to start, if we plan on using it more !!! It has me thinking to the point of signing Bush, and then trading him for a 1st round pick !!!! NE needs a back, and i believe they have 3 # 1’s(our’s at #18, or is it 17) plus their own at 28, and I believe another one if I’m not mistaken. By doing this, say get their 28th pick, we go defense with the first 2, and all the rest of our picks are used for the offense, OL, OLB, OL, OL, CB, maybe a QB but more likely a RB, especially if the we make the Bush Trade. I like Bush, but he’s gonna command big Dollars next year, considering he’s RFA this year, and he will get a 1/3 tender !!! I’m saying this because, he’s still the #2 back behind McFeezy !!! He’s not gonna stay a # 2 back, And McFeezy is DEFINITELY staying the #1 back !!! As much as I might hate it, Trade Bush & move into the First round and Take Paea & Sands, and go from there !!!!
but then we are left with one quality running back and no one knows if DMac is a one year wonder, a legitimate fear i have. Plus he’s injury prone. In today’s NFL, you need two back who can start and a third who is capable of starting and doing well. Bush is critical to the this team’s success. Make no mistake, we need Bush. He is the Brandon Jacobs to our Ahmad Bradshaw. Except he’s faster and more well-rounded.
As for Paea, we don’t really need another DT when we are the pretty much the most stacked at the position in the league. As for 3-4 possibilities, I wouldn’t count on it. We go to it every now and then but this is gonna be a 4-3 team for quite some time. It’s what we’re best at it and the 4-3 is making a slow but steady comeback in the league.
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KA1Z3R I respect Satele's game, however, my thoughts are not to put a bandaid on our O Line...
You are actually correct, we could do ok adding a good RT however, how long will we be good, we need a real youth movement on the O Line and we are well on our way, just a couple of pieces away, that is why I like both the youngsters from TCU. Hell, we shouldn’t need to look at O line for years with them on the roster. That is my thinking..Look it’s time to get poised to make a run at several Super Bowls and right now the Raiders are really going in the right direction in my opinion. So, yes I agree we would be able to get away with doing things in the way you mentioned, my only issue is how long of a fix would it be. With the late picks we have if we can really strengthen our O Line lets just do it and get it over with…in my opinion of course…
by Rodney Sacramento on Mar 5, 2011 4:54 AM PST up reply actions
Damien Woody from the Jets was cut.
He was a great RT for them, and a powerful run blocker.
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mocks are really nothing at all until free agency is over.
With palmer, kolb, young, henne, tjackson, and more QBs switching you never know how the dradt can go. I think if locker or mallet drops to us you have to pick one of them. Give campbell the job for the whole season no competition. To make sure there’s no competition make them 3rd string. Also I think OLB can be solved FA and maybe one Oline. I want gaither at RT.
by raiderfan21 on Feb 26, 2011 6:18 PM PST via mobile reply actions
mocks are really nothing at all until free agency is over.
With palmer, kolb, young, henne, tjackson, and more QBs switching you never know how the dradt can go. I think if locker or mallet drops to us you have to pick one of them. Give campbell the job for the whole season no competition. To make sure there’s no competition make them 3rd string. Also I think OLB can be solved FA and maybe one Oline. I want gaither at RT.
by raiderfan21 on Feb 26, 2011 6:19 PM PST via mobile reply actions
agreed, it’s still very early. However, the draft I made was constructed based on the current team and without free agent moves in the picture. Like a pre-free agency mock.
We don’t need to waste our second round pick on a QB. Campbell is doing pretty well for himself, just needs the wide receivers to step up and get a better RT. A developmental guy later on would be fine, but at second? No thanks. Especially not slow feet Mallet and inconsistent Locker.
Gaither at RT would be nice, if he wouldn’t want a ton of money. Unfortunately (depending on how the CBA finishes out), he most likely will.
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If we get...
Robert Sands… I’m a happy man. If we get Deunta Williams.. I’m a happy man. If we get Ras-I Dowling in the 3rd round… I’m a happy man. If we get Wiz with our 2nd round pick… I’m a happy man… lol
You lost me by the 4th round
RG is a huge hole and with the possibility of Gallery also gone as a FA, an OG should be the pick in the 2nd round. Wisniewski should be our man.
I agree another OLB is needed to improve this position, but with Wimbley resigning and Goethel coming back, I don’t think this will be a high priority.
RT should be address by the 3rd or 4th and CB will also be a priority.
TE dept will need to be added.
There’s not enough balls for McFadden and Bush, so therefore another RB won’t be necessary, especially if we resign Bush.
We definately need another LB
I like the 2nd round pick. We need somebody next to McClain so they can grow together. Depending on who is there I definately think we should use the 2nd or 3rd round pick on a LB.
As for that 6’5" safety, if he runs a blazing 40 Al Davis might take him earlier than that. I don’t think it’s likely though. We are stacked at safety with Huff, Branch, and Mitchell.
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by big ROC Stockton, CA on Feb 27, 2011 10:56 PM PST reply actions
I doubt were gonna draft a olb
i think the coaching staff might be sold on Goethel .I think we need to draft an olb, but if we dont, then i want Goethel to be our guy, unless we sign a significantly better FA.
I like Goethel in the middle, actually more than Death Ro, but I'm not sure about Goethel's covering skills; if he can play OLB
then we are in much better shape because he is a sure tackler, hitter and takes good angles.
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by Sons-of-Blanda on Feb 28, 2011 8:07 PM PST up reply actions
Mock
Im liking Herzlich in silver and black but he maybe a reach in the second round, hes projected to go in the 5th. He’s got a great heart and a great motor, Id like to see him taken in the third. I’d also like to see a guy like Brian Hoyer from New England get scooped up in free agency. He could step in right away and compete for the starting QB spot. If we lose Nnamdi and Bush we will have to fill those spots. The rest should be used on the o-line and maybe a TE
He's a second round projection:
2nd-3rd round to be exact: http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1243115
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