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Upcoming draft and free agency: Seymore's example

Let's look at free agency and the qualities that should be looked at when making a choice. I am not going to make suggestions as to who we should pick up, since so many of you have provided far more excellent examples than are needed. Al has picked up some good players (e.g., Seymore, Tooz) and others that have not done their job as we hoped (e.g., Randy Moss, Bubba Smith). Unfortunately, sometimes we cannot know how a player will perform until after we have picked him up. What is important is that the player fulfills expected purposes. Different FAs get hired with different purposes in mind. An FA could be hired for his veteran experience. An FA could be brought on suddenly due to an injury that needs to be filled, etc. Let's discuss Seymore as an excellent example of a vet hired for his experience. I will cover poor examples in another post.

According to Seymore, Al outlined the conditions of his contract when he was first signed. Al needed an experienced leader who could serve as a guide to the D-linemen. That is a good example of what Al needed to do, and I wonder if he contracted other experienced players under such a stipulation, players who failed to meet expectations. I view Seymore as an epitome of good mental health. You would think that after winning 3 rings with the Pats that Seymore would want to stay with the Pats until he retired, yet he brought no emotional baggage with him. He made a clean cut from the Pats to become a full-fledged silver-and-black Raider. He expressed that when he was contracted he was going to be a teacher and a leader and all of us have witnessed how well he earned his paycheck. Kelly has expressed his admiration for Seymore and how Seymore motivated him to become a better player and the proof is in the pudding - Kelly's improvement was astounding. Recall how Seymore lifted his helmet, smiling as he walked off the Seahawk field after the game - he's a Raider, not a Pat. All of the D-line amazingly improved and I am sure it is safe to assume that we can credit Seymore for much of the improvement.

Let's look at what happened when he hit Big Ben. Seymore said he just reacted naturally when he hit him and was not sure what he was even thinking at that moment. I interpret the reaction as Seymore, being the leader of the team, felt dejected over the Pitt touchdown and was upset over being the leader who somehow failed. He was probably trying to regroup within himself and how to put his team back on track. Note that he could not recall exactly what his thoughts were but he was NOT looking at Ben, just deeply immersed in his thoughts. Ben, on the other hand, was looking directly at Seymore, walked to him and put his hand on him. What a mistake for Ben to do that while Seymore was immersed in deep thought. Note that before Ben responded, 4 days passed before he said anything, after it was clear to him that Seymore could not defend himself since Seymore had already expressed his position. Ben then said he was calling out the conversion team - what a bunch of crap! Yeah, he was looking at Seymore and putting his hand on his shoulder while calling out the conversion team. No doubt, Seymore was wrong in hitting him, but I believe Ben got what he deserved and shows what a classless character Ben is. On the other hand, Seymore did it because he is a true raider and did not want to be messed with at that moment - Ben should have known better.

What's important to note in Seymore's example is that Al needs to specifically define what the purpose a FA is to serve and stipulate that on the contract. Players need to be signed that bring no emotional baggage with them and are able to become complete Raiders emotionally and on the field. Seymore has fulfilled his contract to the letter and would be a folly of infinite proportions should we not resign him. Al, give him his paycheck and RESIGN him! When you do, make sure it is for at least 3 years. He's at pro bowl form and worth the gamble.

Signed, Seymore'sFanPsycho

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That might even be another NE signing. Our OL could use a man like Mankins (3-Pro Bowls as Guard) a proven leader

Question: How much would it take this time around? Is he worth a 1st round pick? The Seymour type of proven player and leader comes at a steep price but if properly inserted in the line-up can make-up that cost with added value.

S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
"We had to get back to who we are, and that's physical and smash-mouth." - Robert Gallery 12/5/2010

by Sons-of-Blanda on Feb 4, 2011 4:38 PM PST reply actions  

This

Mankins, if there is no Franchise Tag, will likely be testing FA. He will be expensive however, but he is a great guard to have.

I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP

formerly patriotguy2 ;)

by Jack'sAxe on Feb 6, 2011 3:01 PM PST up reply actions  

Thats for Damn Sure, SOB

And far as resigning Seymoure, there is NO gamble !!!! To bring in Mankins, would be the same line of thought, as when Big Rich was signed !!! An experinced Leader for the O-Line !!!! A Winner !!! A player that KNOWS what it takes, to go far into the playoffs !!! That’s the type of EXPERIENCE, our O-line needs !!!

by papabegood on Feb 4, 2011 8:53 PM PST reply actions  

Mankins

He would be a great signing for sure but as far as those details in contracts I don’t really know how many player would take those clauses. I hope uncle Al doesn’t have to tag Seymour and therefore be able to distribute the money somewhere else.
 GO RAIDERS!!!

by R8drick on Feb 4, 2011 9:22 PM PST reply actions  

Big Dick iced himself in Raider lore that day

And somehow put a smile on my face amidst getting our asses handed to us as badly as had been done for years.

I love you, Richard Seymour.

Now, as for Mankins… It’s clear there’s no such thing as loyalty in NE, and Logan, like Richard, long for the type of loyalty the nation has to offer, and the money Al has to offer.

"The only yardstick for success our society has is being a champion. No one remembers anything else."--John Madden

""The massive Raider Nation is beyond doubt the sleaziest and rudest and most sinister mob of thugs and wackos ever assembled."--Hunter S. Thompson

by brhynno on Feb 4, 2011 11:45 PM PST reply actions  

really? on mankins and logan? seems hard to pull away unless we had a good price!

is there any others on the o line that are free agents and can play the power blocking game?

by sports with steve on Feb 5, 2011 8:57 AM PST reply actions  

Just a little aside

IMO after reading about the Seymour thing. He did not report right away and held out a bit to try and get a new contract or maybe in protest to coming to Oakland. After all is said and done however I think he took on and succeeded in being a great team and defensive captain. He quite obviously had a great affect on Kelly and his play jumped several levels this year was consistent.

Who gives a shit, who gives a fuck?

by TheLyleAlzadoPunch on Feb 5, 2011 9:55 AM PST reply actions  

Seriously, he goes from NE to the Oakland of Jafuckme?

..Dick should be given some empathy on that one. The Raiders at the time were the fucking Titanic of the AFC. Since then..he has morphed into a total Raider and a proven leader, and his bitchslapping Potatoberger was awesome. I saw that in Heinz Field and my buddy and I high-fived (best part of our road trip!). So cut him some slack over his initial reticence.

The cowards never started, the weak died along the way....

by BlackHeartSilverEyes on Feb 5, 2011 1:15 PM PST up reply actions  

He was given time to sort out his family situation

it wasn’t a hold out and had nothing to do with money

(I) Fuck with your soul like Ether
(WILL) Teach you the king you know you
(NOT) God's son across the belly
(LOSE) You know you lost already

by Ozraider on Feb 5, 2011 3:47 PM PST up reply actions  

THIS!!!!

I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP

formerly patriotguy2 ;)

by Jack'sAxe on Feb 6, 2011 3:02 PM PST up reply actions  

It is understandable he may have experienced some culture shock when going from one environment to another.

He was very successful at NE and therefore well-adjusted there. Offering some initial resistance is a normal reaction when going from comfortable and successful to who knows what at Oakland, particularly since Oakland was in such bad shape when he came. As a healthy person he got over the culture shock, adapted, and became very successful – I would say he’s quite a mentally healthy person because of the way he completely assimilated and dedicated himself to the new environment regardless of Oakland’s shape. I would say he is probably even more enthusiastic about being in Oakland than in NE because look at what it says about his playing. He is a player whose talents are so deep he can convert a loser to a winner by HIS EFFORT!

by RaiderPsycho on Feb 5, 2011 5:40 PM PST up reply actions  

His game wasn't so good in 2009 - inconsistent but in 2010 he was the man and his presence raised everyone else's performance

I believe, after last season, that Rich a convinced Raider. I won’t call him “Dick” now out of respect (which I didn’t have for him in ’09)

S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
"We had to get back to who we are, and that's physical and smash-mouth." - Robert Gallery 12/5/2010

by Sons-of-Blanda on Feb 5, 2011 6:34 PM PST up reply actions  

I remember that. lol

I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP

formerly patriotguy2 ;)

by Jack'sAxe on Feb 6, 2011 3:03 PM PST up reply actions  

keep him

his part of the D was solid. We have more pressing needs (DBs) and no need to change what was working.

stickem was LEGAL!!!

by r8r37hof on Feb 5, 2011 12:54 PM PST reply actions  

dbs are only a need if nnamdi leaves

what we need the most on the defensive side is a set of olbs that can stop the run blitz and cover

by RyanTheRaider on Feb 5, 2011 5:16 PM PST up reply actions  

You are dead-nuts on. ... unless Nam leaves

S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
"We had to get back to who we are, and that's physical and smash-mouth." - Robert Gallery 12/5/2010

by Sons-of-Blanda on Feb 5, 2011 6:30 PM PST up reply actions  

This guy must be signed. Him and Aso are our priorities.

He is a great force on our DL, and it will not be the same without him.

I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP

formerly patriotguy2 ;)

by Jack'sAxe on Feb 6, 2011 3:04 PM PST reply actions  

Seymour must be paid.

He’s had the only decent example of true RRRAIDER-hood I’ve seen in years. The shot on Big Ben earned him his stripes.

"I'm surrounded by assholes. Keep firing, assholes!"

by golfswithglock on Feb 9, 2011 4:45 AM PST reply actions  

+1

he said he was born as a raider fan too.

I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP

formerly patriotguy2 ;)

by Jack'sAxe on Feb 9, 2011 8:12 PM PST up reply actions  

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