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How the Draft's Preceding Free Agency Bodes for our Oakland Raiders

ALAMEDA CA - JANUARY 18:  New Oakland Raiders coach Hue Jackson (L) looks on as Raiders owner Al Davis (R) speaks to reporters after introducing Jackson as the new head coach of the Oakland Raiders on January 18 2011 in Alameda California.  Hue Jackson was introduced as the new coach of the Oakland Raiders replacing the fired Tom Cable.  (Photo by Justin Sullivan/Getty Images) 

Will this be a dynamic duo on the draft team this year?

For the first time since the advent of free agency in this league, it will follow the draft, and the players chosen will remain unsigned until an agreement makes it possible. For many teams, those in charge of drawing draft boards and present in war rooms across the nation will say this makes the draft more clear-cut, and when they find themselves on the clock, the predetermined potential picks are narrowed down tremendously, especially if those personnel folks believe they can get who they want in free agency, and Al Davis and the Raiders are one such organization. So just how will things pan out for us in this draft? I currently have needs as follows, in this order, as I expect Nnamdi to remain a Raider despite speculation to the contrary: OT, LB, S, G/C, CB, WR, QB. You can change QB or WR, but I both think we have greater immediate needs and must use earlier picks to find potential starters first, and think picks for skills positions with any of our first four is reaching, and setting us up for a horrible outcome.

Pat Kirwan's breakdown on our needs is spot on with our own assessment, with the glaring exception at linebacker:

Oakland Raiders

Needs: CB, OT, QB, G, S, C

The Raiders improved to 8-8 last season, but fired their coach and don't have a first-round pick. In fact, they don't select until the middle of the second round (No. 48). By that time, the top six corners, top seven tackles and top five quarterbacks could all be gone. The Raiders are really going to have to do their homework to come up with impact players in this draft.

It appears Robert Gallery will not be back, so guard is a need. If cornerback Nnamdi Asomugha also leaves, the Raiders will have a big problem. There are also issues at quarterback, but fingers are crossed that quarterback Jason Campbell can finally lead this team to the playoffs.

* Draft choices: Nos. 48, 81, 112, 145, 176, 209

Here's the link to his story on NFL.com:      KIRWAN       

Hit the jump to read on how this affects the draft, and how I believe Al will navigate these uncharted waters with the prowess only living through all former labor unrest, NFL pre/post free agency, NFL pre/post merger as an owner, commissioner, GM, and coach can offer.

Star-divide

So if we believe PK to be correct come draft day, and the top seven tackles are gone, Cannon included, it's likely Ben Ijalana or we go another position for the first round, much like last year, when all the guys in whom we were interested were off the board. CBSsports.com has it as follows:

Top Draft 2011 Prospects -- (Updated 3/26/2011)
OVR Player Pos. Position
Rank
School Class Ht. Wt. 40 Time Bench
Reps
14 Anthony Castonzo OT 1 Boston College Sr 6-7 311 5.21 28
16 Tyron Smith OT 2 Southern California Jr 6-5 307 5.08 29
20 Gabe Carimi OT 3 Wisconsin rSr 6-7 314 5.18 29
22 Nate Solder OT 4 Colorado rSr 6-8 319 4.96 21
29 Derek Sherrod OT 5 Mississippi State Sr 6-5 321 5.18 23
51 Marcus Cannon OT 6 TCU rSr 6-5 358 5.26 33
57 Orlando Franklin OT 7 Miami (Fla.) rSr 6-6 316 5.11 26
77 James Carpenter OT 8 Alabama Sr 6-4 321 5.22 23
83 James Brewer OT 9 Indiana rSr 6-6 323 5.21 25
102 Marcus Gilbert OT 10 Florida rSr 6-6 330 5.41 30

 

This would have Cannon on the board, and though we may look to free agency to fill a need there, taking one in the draft is still the right move for the future, and if the right guy is still there as a FA, taking another and creating much needed competition at the spot is absolutely the way to go. This team is looking to build a super bowl contender, and the only other question now, is do we entertain trade options to get a higher pick to maybe go after Costanzo or Carimi. While I don't expect or think this is necessary, the new format beginning on Thursday evenings has made the trade dynamic even more exciting on day two pick ramifications, and some offers just can't be refused. As more and more teams look to trade out of the top ten picks when the players projected there they might want have too many question marks, expect at least a few teams to move up or down. We know the Patriots have a ridiculous amount of picks, and the buzz is this is the one year they might wish to move up to get a lineman they want. Will they look to deal with the Raiders again?

I think the only realistic way we take anything other than tackle with our first pick, is if a guy like Jimmy Smith were to fall all the way to 48, making it a BPA pick and suddenly necessary. Once again, I'm expecting Nnamdi to remain, making corner not as glaring a need, but if a guy like Smith is there, don't be surprised to see him come in and eventually unseat Chris Johnson, or move another corner to the practice squad or relegated to special teams duties. Routt will continue to improve, but he'll need help from his fellow defensive backs at both his position and at safety.

Here's the CBSsports.com projections for corners, although I believe we will go either OLB or FS, depending on who is there:

Top Draft 2011 Prospects -- (Updated 3/26/2011)
OVR Player Pos. Position
Rank
School Class Ht. Wt. 40 Time Bench
Reps
1 Patrick Peterson CB 1 LSU Jr 6-0 219 4.31 15
8 Prince Amukamara CB 2 Nebraska Sr 6-0 206 4.38 15
26 Jimmy Smith CB 3 Colorado rSr 6-2 211 4.42 24
33 Brandon Harris CB 4 Miami (Fla.) Jr 5-10 191 4.46 13
34 Aaron Williams CB 5 Texas Jr 6-0 204 4.55 18
53 Curtis Brown CB 6 Texas Sr 6-0 185 4.51 10
54 Davon House CB 7 New Mexico State Sr 6-1 200 4.44 14
66 Brandon Burton CB 8 Utah rJr 6-0 190 4.50 18
69 Ras-I Dowling CB 9 Virginia Sr 6-1 198 4.40 19
73 Chimdi Chekwa CB 10 Ohio State rSr 6-0 191 4.38 --
88 Shareece Wright CB 11 Southern California rSr 5-11 185 4.41 16
89 Marcus Gilchrist CB 12 Clemson Sr 5-10 195 4.45 26
91 Johnny Patrick CB 13 Louisville rSr 5-11 191 4.59 13
105 Curtis Marsh CB 14 Utah State Sr 6-1 197 4.42 12
113 Buster Skrine CB 15 Chattanooga Sr 5-10 186 4.37 20
117 Jalil Brown CB 16 Colorado Sr 6-1 204 4.52 24
132 Brandon Hogan CB 17 West Virginia Sr 5-10 192 4.43 19
138 Rashad Carmichael CB 18 Virginia Tech rSr 5-10 192 4.53 13
149 Cortez Allen CB 19 Citadel rSr 6-1 197 4.50 18

I also believe Al could have his eye on a select few safeties, who could transition to corner like another defensive back he took and received criticism for several years, for whom he now receives none. Both Robert Sands and Jaiquan Jarrett fit this bill perfectly, and might be ours in the third or fourth round. I'd prefer we remain patient and look for the FS in the fourth, but here are the guys projected in those rounds:

Top Draft 2011 Prospects -- (Updated 3/26/2011)
OVR Player Pos. Position
Rank
School Class Ht. Wt. 40 Time Bench
Reps
60 Rahim Moore FS 1 UCLA Jr 6-0 202 4.58 11
67 Quinton Carter FS 2 Oklahoma rSr 6-1 208 4.57 23
94 Chris Conte FS 3 California Sr 6-2 197 4.52 18
118 Robert Sands FS 4 West Virginia rJr 6-4 217 4.53 12
124 Chris Culliver FS 5 South Carolina Sr 6-0 199 4.36 --
145 Jaiquawn Jarrett FS 6 Temple Sr 6-0 198 4.62 14

When you turn on Jarrett's tape, it's hard to imagine this guy being a late round selection. I also expect Huff to remain a Raider, and believe Jarrett's projection to be the insurance policy that allows us to take an impact OLB with our second overall pick in the third round. Here are the guys in our range:

49 Brooks Reed OLB 4 Arizona rSr 6-3 263 4.65 30
63 Bruce Carter OLB 5 North Carolina Sr 6-2 241 4.57 25
65 Sam Acho OLB 6 Texas Sr 6-2 262 4.67 23
79 Dontay Moch OLB 7 Nevada rSr 6-1 248 4.40 21
85 Chris Carter OLB 8 Fresno State Sr 6-1 248 4.58 27
101 Mason Foster OLB 9 Washington Sr 6-1 245 4.75 22
103 K.J. Wright OLB 10 Mississippi State Sr 6-3 246 4.75 20
126 Lawrence Wilson OLB 11 Connecticut rSr 6-1 229 4.71 24
139 Ross Homan OLB 12 Ohio State rSr 6-1 240 4.66 32
156 Mark Herzlich OLB 13 Boston College rSr 6-4 244 4.91 29
168 Brian Rolle OLB 14 Ohio State Sr 5-10 229 4.53 28
189 Jonas Mouton OLB 15 Michigan rSr 6-1 239 4.84 -

Our second overall being one of these guys is what I'm expecting, but I also suspect Biekert, Bresnahan, and Hue Jackson have their eyes on a few players throughout the league, and it's been my belief that the way Al pulls these moves off is by planting seeds well in advance. Look for a potential trade scenario involving a linebacker, and if our first few picks don't include one, a potential free agent could become a Raider. Walter Football's free agent OLBS: Chad Greenway could completely transform our squad from weakness to strength, but a two down specialist like Stephen Nicholas could be the Sam we're looking for, and much more realistic considering what he'd cost. I'm still puzzled Pat Kirwan doesn't list linebacker on his needs. Come on, PK! Since Kam Wimbley is really an end (and with the voided contract, a free agent technically), as is Trevor Scott; even  Quentin Groves is a better pass rusher  than true lb. Our run defense continued to suffer, and these bigger guys brought in to cure what ails us added an element to our formidable pass rush, but offered only inconsistent help against the run, and covering TEs and RBs at the second level, and mismatch wideouts as well.

I don't care about his speed, or lack thereof, or of the titanium rod in his leg; I believe the smarts and the skill set Mark Herzlich brings to the position make him a Biekert like addition to our defense--a very smart player that takes great angles--who'd immediately make us better against the run. While he got lit up in coverage at the senior bowl, it was but one game and when I watch tape of his play all signs point to his playing much faster than his 40 times will indicate. Sam Acho and Ross Homan both would immediately unseat Groves or Wimbley by the end of preseason, if not sooner.

Headlines have entertained the possiblity of Stephen Wisniewski joining his uncle here, but a number of reasons including the Raiders really needing only depth at center make me wonder; it's also likely we get a guard who can play center or vice-versa. But with Satele, at least for now and during the draft a free agent, we must also be prepared to look at potential starters here and guys who can step in and provide a proficient substitute, and not a dropoff or makeshift replacement as we saw last year, which proved disastrous at times. I'd love to see Jake Groves in silver and black again. It appears there are enough guys to fit our needs in many rounds, both early and late. We may also be fortunate enough to find ones that bring versatility and experience playing multiple spots on the line, and in my world, you just can't have too many hogs up front.

It is high time we focused on this group up front, as a unit that will define us as physical, and elevate the offense to another level. I'm thinking of how Otto, Shell, Upshaw, Brown, Dalby humbled units that became household names like the Steel Curtain and the Purple People Eaters. We need a unit that does this to the Ravens, Steelers, Jets, and Chargers, and consistently humbles top ranked defensive lines. Veldheer and Satele provide two nice starters who can be a part of this unit, and perhaps Langston Walker as well, but making the same mistake as last year by thinking good enough, instead of looking to make a statement by looking to best the league in one of its all important positions--the one that John  Madden believes wins super bowls--in offensive line. Here's the list of guys, 1-10; look hard at the ones who bring experience playing guard and elsewhere, as likely Raiders:

OVR Player Pos. Position
Rank
School Class Ht. Wt. 40 Time Bench
Reps
46 Rodney Hudson C 1 Florida State Sr 6-2 299 5.27 27
62 Stefen Wisniewski C 2 Penn State Sr 6-3 313 5.29 30
114 Kristofer O'Dowd C 3 Southern California Sr 6-4 304 5.12 31
128 Tim Barnes C 4 Missouri rSr 6-4 298 5.17 --
175 Brandon Fusco C 5 Slippery Rock Sr 6-4 306 5.18 26
187 Jake Kirkpatrick C 6 TCU rSr 6-2 300 5.32 --
208 Jason Kelce C 7 Cincinnati rSr 6-3 280 4.89 --
228 Alex Linnenkohl C 8 Oregon State rSr 6-2 304 5.36 24
252 Zach Williams C 9 Washington State rSr 6-3 309 5.18 28
295 Zane Taylor C 10 Utah rSr 6-3 309 5.52

 

The Walterfootball.com free agents at wide receiver include some interesting prospects, most of which need no more exploration here. With the baggage that some bring, I'm inclined to narrow it down to V. Jack, Sydnee Rice, or T.J. Houshmandzadeh, for both financial reasons and so as not to disrupt what has been a great locker room of late. The many interesting draft prospects that have the height ,weight, speed combination that Al covets, especially projected in late rounds and even off the board, make it a hard to miss proposition, and I have zero doubt that Al has planted seeds for free agents already, but with them having to wait until after April 30th at the least, it looks hard to miss.

Will we have another Jacoby Ford like steal emerge this time around? We are almost all in agreement that the emergence of a dominant group of route running  ball catchers make the playoffs for this squad almost inevitable. With the intriguing prospects that project so late, patience will be a virtue that suits us well in the 2011 draft, yet another aspect working in our favor with free agency still there to answer any questions that remain unanswered with draft picks.

This kid seems a can't miss prospect:

407 Andre Holmes WR 49 Hillsdale Sr 6-4 210 4.51 11

 

 but here's the list of 25-40 overall; not a bad crop by any measure, and the demands around the league for 5 technique ends for their 3-4 defense, pass rushers, and your typical run on the most-hyped skills guys in the league, wide receivers could drop significantly. I could be wrong, but I think the organization doesn't view the position as in need of upgrade as most of us here, and that's why I have the list starting after the top couple dozen look to be selected:

209 Jeff Maehl WR 25 Oregon Sr 6-1 190 4.56 --
211 Darvin Adams WR 26 Auburn Jr 6-2 190 4.56 --
221 Stephen Burton WR 27 West Texas A&M Sr 6-1 221 4.50 19
227 Aldrick Robinson WR 28 Southern Methodist Sr 5-10 184 4.35 17
229 Ricardo Lockette WR 29 Fort Valley State rSr 6-2 211 4.34 --
247 Courtney Smith WR 30 South Alabama Sr 6-4 223 4.65 --
249 Chris Matthews WR 31 Kentucky Sr 6-5 218 4.57 --
266 Marshall Williams WR 32 Wake Forest rSr 6-1 188 4.56 09
280 Lester Jean WR 33 Florida Atlantic Sr 6-3 215 4.61 14
285 O.J. Murdock WR 34 Fort Hays State rSr 5-11 197 4.53 15
287 Jimmy Young WR 35 TCU rSr 6-0 204 4.50 19
288 Jock Sanders WR 36 West Virginia Sr 5-06 181 4.50 19
312 DeAndre Brown WR 37 Southern Mississippi Jr 6-6 233 4.59 20
328 Owen Spencer WR 38 North Carolina State Sr 6-2 195 4.51 06
332 Jeremy Ross WR 39 California rSr 6-0 209 4.45 --
336 Armon Binns WR 40 Cincinnati Sr 6-3 209 4.50 13

 

I think Ricardo Lockette and Greg Salas are two great YAC guys that promise to be a couple of the best selections and make the most impact on their teams by this time next year. Greg Little, a 6'3", 231 lb. kid with a 40" vertical is a mismatch nightmare that has Raider written all over him, but projects at 99 overall and like I said, would appear a reach for us, but should he fall... who knows? Also among Mayocks' potential sleeper gems of the draft, former basketball phenom  Edmond Gates, who ran a 4.35 40 with a groin pull, who has Randy Moss like freak ability and ball skills, and is great finding space in zones and creating separation in man coverage. Randall Cobb out of Kentucky is a former qb, and could provide a starting guy simliar to Ronald Curry, Bronco killer. I can't wait for the late rounds to see what happens for the future of our offense. With the right guy, look out league. A dominant O line and solid starting possession receiver, and this bully becomes the big kid on the block. I hope we take a kid with the 6th round pick, and free agency will be but a luxury for competition.

As for qbs, a future post on late round prospects and free agents available will address possiblities, but don't expect any early rounders to be given much serious thought; Al and Hue were quite vocal about Jason being the guy going forward, like it or not. I'm all for Troy Weatherhead out of Hillsdale, and believe this school should continue to be tapped as a great resource until we are given reason to think otherwise.

So, Nation, what say you? Is the free agency and draft situation good for us, or bad? It is a golden opportunity; will we take advantage?

While it's not my only source for draft and projections, it remains a solid one, and is updated frequently for rising and falling based on multiple factors.

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft

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The draft coming before free agency:
most definitely helps us.
207 votes
may hurt or help us; you never know with Al.
251 votes
most definitely hurts us.
59 votes
other. because...
10 votes

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This Is How I Would Like To See It Go Down:

2st rd…62 Stefen Wisniewski C
3nd rd..79 Dontay Moch OLB
4rd rd…“G”/“OT” or “DT”….Possible “CB” if available w size/speed or “QB”
5th rd…“G”/“OT”/“WR”/“QB/”DT" depending upon positions already taken
6th rd…Same or best player available
7th rd A…Same or best player available
7th rd B…“WR”

by PantyRaider on Mar 27, 2011 9:25 PM PDT reply actions  

I mock Moch. This guy is doomed to stay as wild and raw as a day-old Elk. Happily surprised Casey Mathews is under the raidar

as he is an OLB with instincts and the natural gift to play the fricking game. Satele is fine, so wasting our precious 2nd rounder on a C as light as the seasoned Sampson is a mistake. We need an OT first and foremost – Cannon the TCU mauler is my preferred choice. Sands, Jarrett, Skrien are all going to be superstars and we should get at least one – by I’d be gaga if we got two of them!! I’ve a hunch Al wants Skrein but if Huff isn’t happening then Sands or Jarrett will more than fill his shoes.
Post Rec’d, thanks Bryhnno for a super effort on this post – it’s loaded.

S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
"I did the (2010) draft. ... I made a trade for Seymour. Gave up the first-rounder this year. I could tell you why. You may not think it was a good trade. I thought it was a great trade. Still do. [Al Davis 1/1911]

by Sons-of-Blanda on Mar 27, 2011 9:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

we could get a version a moch

in gholston and we wouldnt have to use a pick

by RyanTheRaider on Mar 27, 2011 10:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

What's the fascination with Moch?

Speed? I just don’t see it. The tape indicates strength in pass rush, and, like I said in the post, as you with the ability to read noted—we have lbs that can pass rush but little else. So why Moch? Matthews, is another guy Biekert can’t wait to get his mind around, because football pedigree like that will absorb good coaching like a sponge. He will likely go on to be a Madden type coach, as is likely for his brother; it’s just in their blood, like the Wiszes.

Jacked up for late April; and hoping to do it at Ricky’s, for posterity’s sake.

"The only yardstick for success our society has is being a champion. No one remembers anything else."--John Madden

""The massive Raider Nation is beyond doubt the sleaziest and rudest and most sinister mob of thugs and wackos ever assembled."--Hunter S. Thompson

by brhynno on Mar 27, 2011 10:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

6-foot-1 3/8 @ 248 Pounds 4.44 Or Faster According To Some...

He’s a “Freak” and could very well project at “OLB”/“SS” in a dual role which would mean staying on the field when we go to a Nickle or Dime package…And he also would fit several Blitz packages..

I could see him n “MM” both in the Nickle and both being Blitz threats…

Hue loves versatility and “MrD” loves a “Freak” w speed…

by PantyRaider on Mar 28, 2011 7:32 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yes, but this guy is a work out, track type guy

and a speed rusher only at this point. We have enough speed rushers and need someone who can stop the run. This guy is not versatile, he’s this years Vernon Goldsten.

JUST DOMINATE BABY !!!

by rambis64 on Mar 28, 2011 7:51 AM PDT up reply actions  

We already have two freak projects (BC and "-") and that's too many. Just get someone better than Groves and

upgrade immediately. LB is no place for a project anyway.

S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
"I did the (2010) draft. ... I made a trade for Seymour. Gave up the first-rounder this year. I could tell you why. You may not think it was a good trade. I thought it was a great trade. Still do. [Al Davis 1/1911]

by Sons-of-Blanda on Mar 28, 2011 4:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

I like Herzlich for the job

and he seems to be slipping in the draft 4th or 5th round now. So the value is there.He is certainly not as fast as Moch, but he is one of the smartest football players in the draft. Titanium rod and all I want him.

JUST DOMINATE BABY !!!

by rambis64 on Mar 29, 2011 7:06 AM PDT up reply actions  

I'll rejoice if we take him or Matthews

S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
"I did the (2010) draft. ... I made a trade for Seymour. Gave up the first-rounder this year. I could tell you why. You may not think it was a good trade. I thought it was a great trade. Still do. [Al Davis 1/1911]

by Sons-of-Blanda on Mar 29, 2011 9:55 AM PDT up reply actions  

I am by no means a fan of workout warriors

But I am skeptical of any players ability to succeed as an nfl lb running a 4.9 40 no matter how smart they are. Who the hell is he supposed to cover?

by lchristmas on Mar 30, 2011 10:00 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

I think Moch should go to GB because of their use of the Psycho package where they have like 8LBs on the field

A Guy with that type of speed that could play both safety and lb would fit great into Dom Capers system. Im pulling for Casey Matthews in the draft for the Raiders all the way.

by Marcus Allen Krause on Apr 1, 2011 1:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

Anywhere but here. Not a fit here, and for positions we need, even if he converted, his strengths are where we need no help

I’m leaning towards getting two lbs; preferably a super smart balanced lb to help in the run game, and maybe a solid two down lb via free agency, like Nicholas, who boasts strong Sam skills in coverage, or even better, Greenway. Cut Brown when he loses the job, and move Wimbley to end, where he is great.

"The only yardstick for success our society has is being a champion. No one remembers anything else."--John Madden

""The massive Raider Nation is beyond doubt the sleaziest and rudest and most sinister mob of thugs and wackos ever assembled."--Hunter S. Thompson

by brhynno on Apr 1, 2011 3:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

brhynno, Moch is lost on the football field, he is a project at best, he has NO clue how to play football..meaning instinctively...

He’s fast for his position, however, speed won’t matter if you’re running the wrong way..lol Forget this kid in the draft, at best i would tender him to a free agent contract and put him on the practice squad until he learned how to play football. Watch the film on him, its hilarious to me…lol but the kid has a upside and he is willing.. However, he can’t play yet, and the stuff he did get away with in College will get his entire head knocked off in the NFL…lol NO WAY on this kid unless we get him in the 8th round…Oops rookie free agent contract I mean….PantyRaider you could use him in specific blitz packages, I can see that, however, in terms of playing the game that required knowledge and instints, he is NOT close to ready…He does have a up side, if the kid catches on he would be a beast, I can agree to that, however, he is far from that right now…

by Rodney Sacramento on Mar 28, 2011 10:27 AM PDT up reply actions  

Bruce Carter's the same deal, a high spirited sheep dog running around panting with marginal (if any) Football I.Q.

S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
"I did the (2010) draft. ... I made a trade for Seymour. Gave up the first-rounder this year. I could tell you why. You may not think it was a good trade. I thought it was a great trade. Still do. [Al Davis 1/1911]

by Sons-of-Blanda on Mar 28, 2011 4:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

yup, guys, I'd prefer one who brings great smarts, and when you watch tape, he's Johnny on the spot

taking proper angles, and tackling soundly. Give me a Homan or Herzlich, ;like in the post, or even a can’t miss like Matthews, who has a high floor. Stay away from the upside guys; we were good last year. Add some guys who are good, with upside, not all upside, and we get better.

"The only yardstick for success our society has is being a champion. No one remembers anything else."--John Madden

""The massive Raider Nation is beyond doubt the sleaziest and rudest and most sinister mob of thugs and wackos ever assembled."--Hunter S. Thompson

by brhynno on Mar 28, 2011 4:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

Good Points...He Is Projected Late 3rd to 4th Rd So Most Llikely Will Get Drafted Though...

Reportedly NE is high on him and have several picks this season…SF is another I have heard sense they have 12 picks…The kid could develop into a monster if used properly and the Raiders are know for drafting a player and altering his player position…

I see him as an immediate situational player with time to develop into a starter…We have Quinton so he’s not thrown into the pot immediately the way “DeathRo” was …We also have “MM” so he wouldn’t start at “SS”…But in the nickle situations when we take Quinton out he would have a good opportunity to play…With his size/speed he should play the run well…That’s an unknown because there is no tape showing him in that position…Only being used as the rushing “DE”…

Vernon Goldsten is Vernon Goldsten and ya can’t place every other player who comes out in is shoes..Just like a player who we converted and worked but others who looked the same were burn-outs…Also he stunk in their system the way they used him…In another system he may yet excel and I wouldn’t be surprised if we brought him in for a look…Cheap!!!….

by PantyRaider on Mar 28, 2011 8:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

You beat me too it SOB, My sentiments EXACTLY !!!

Wiz2 is too light in the pants, for either Guard or Center !!! Moch is a Pass Rushing End, ONLY, as of right now !!! Cannon, if he’s still there @ the #48 pick. Sands OR Buster Skines with the 3rd and 4th pick, no matter what order. Off. Line with 5 & 6 picks, and with the two 7th round picks a couple of overlooked gems at the reciever positions. I think the we can snag thru free agency the starting right side of the O-line, and a OLB. Maybe Manny Lawson !! Undrafted QB’s And recievers will be available. But if Al happens to move up in the Draft, it will be for a STARTING OT !!! I’d be shocked if he moves up for anything or one else, unless Julio Jones has caught Al’s eye !!!! I could see Al doing the unsuspected, MAYBE for Him !!! If he can run 4.38 with a broken bone in his foot, I can see AL’s mind just spinning, wondering just how fast is this kid, HEALTHY ???

by papabegood on Mar 27, 2011 10:20 PM PDT reply actions  

I'll reiterate. Trading up for a skills position is not an option

While moving up a half a round to get a lineman is the right thing to do, and I don’t think anyone can truly gauge what ALS got upmhis sleeve at this juncture. Don’t be surprised to see us move for a Pouncey type guy early should he gain stock before day 1.

Wiz is a definite no as far as I’m concerned with the first pick, but should he fall to the fourth at 112 and Jarrett and Skrines are both off the board or we haven’t gone corner already, don’t you have to take him, unless a center more suited for power blocking is there?

"The only yardstick for success our society has is being a champion. No one remembers anything else."--John Madden

""The massive Raider Nation is beyond doubt the sleaziest and rudest and most sinister mob of thugs and wackos ever assembled."--Hunter S. Thompson

by brhynno on Mar 27, 2011 10:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

really like the post brhynno

     2nd RD has to be used to secure the right side of our OL. its just to important and Walker is just to slow, he handled to power rushers alright but anytime he had any real speed on that side he didnt look so great. i was with the cannon pick here for awhile but i really like the kid outa villanova, Ben Ijalana. i see some great quickness there in his feet and doesnt lack anything in the power department. i actually got to see him when he played Eastern Washington and i really believe he’s bein slept on because he’s not from a top flight school or division. if we went with Cannon id be okay with it, but i really see him as another version of Walker.
    3rd round… casey mathews. i know its not our style to take players that actually know something about the game, and depend on the measurables to make the pick for us, but this is a good pick. in my mind he immidiatly unseats quinton groves and though he’ll have some growin pains, him and ro will be side by side for years to come.
    4th round goes to either sands, or jarrett. id prefer jarrett cuz the kid lays the HAMMER on the opposition but id be satisfied with sands also…. with the nickname “the predator”… how cant you be right??
    5th round, now im kinda torn here. greg salas i think would be an awsome possession type of reciever and can play on kick/ punt cover also, adding to his stock. he may be gone a lil earlier though so then i turn my attention to greg little, who due to the ncaa breaking UNC’s back this year, may fall to us here.
   6th round.is full of reaches for me cuz u really dont know whos gonna fall but id like to see maybe anther reciever taken like Binns or maybe lockette if he falls. stronger and bigger reciervers that we dont have
    7th round zach williams outa WA for depth more then anything behind satale. good size and movement skills. played for a terrible team but hey, what can yuh do??
 the second 7th rounder is the best player left. maybe a QB to work with, either way i wont be to bummed.

by frank7da2tank on Mar 27, 2011 10:57 PM PDT reply actions  

Lol

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""The massive Raider Nation is beyond doubt the sleaziest and rudest and most sinister mob of thugs and wackos ever assembled."--Hunter S. Thompson

by brhynno on Mar 27, 2011 11:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah. Dunno how I completely didn't mention Matthews. Always been on my radar, too

And like Sons said, any two, and I’ll be doing somersaults. Leaning towards Ijalana as well, and we will need a fleet footed guy, not just in the pass protection dept.; our rbs get to the second level pretty quick, so lineman capable of that and pulling and mauling are the ticket.

I would probably be happy if we used four picks on the line! So long as we get a nice OLB and wr too. Think we would be cool with the rest.

"The only yardstick for success our society has is being a champion. No one remembers anything else."--John Madden

""The massive Raider Nation is beyond doubt the sleaziest and rudest and most sinister mob of thugs and wackos ever assembled."--Hunter S. Thompson

by brhynno on Mar 27, 2011 11:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

a lot of my choices depend on the development of bruce campbell

either at left or right guard. thats the reason for just one OL choice early on.

by frank7da2tank on Mar 27, 2011 11:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

Many GMs

are saying they preferred to have the draft before the free agencey period anyway.

This will make for a good experiement, if the owners like it; expect to see the draft moved up and free agency periods moved back.

by rnpljnsn on Mar 28, 2011 1:56 AM PDT reply actions  

Haven't heard what Al thinks

does anyone else know what what his preference has been?

by rnpljnsn on Mar 28, 2011 1:57 AM PDT up reply actions  

That's one of the great things about Al: you never hear him say...

and we are left to draw conclusions based on his actions, far more than his words. It’s why no one can really do it well.

"The only yardstick for success our society has is being a champion. No one remembers anything else."--John Madden

""The massive Raider Nation is beyond doubt the sleaziest and rudest and most sinister mob of thugs and wackos ever assembled."--Hunter S. Thompson

by brhynno on Mar 30, 2011 11:36 AM PDT up reply actions  

Damn

I was wondering how we’re drafting so late in the round with an 8-8 record, but damn, was there a lot of lousy teams in the NFL last year:
http://espn.go.com/blog/nflnation/post/_/id/35995/updated-first-round-draft-order-2

by rightnasty on Mar 28, 2011 3:50 AM PDT reply actions  

It makes the draft harder to call, that's for sure

With the draft coming first, it may well turn out that Al decides that he can fill holes through free agency, and take a number of flyers in the draft. Of course, this is the thinking that took us to the depths in recent years, but… Al is nothing is not stubborn.

With another solid draft, then it can’t hurt. I do like the idea of the draft first, so that you have a good idea of what you are looking for in free agency, and what your cap situation will look like. I’d say tht the players would rather have it the other way, so that demand is at it’s highest for FA’s, but that is not a concern of mine.

Failure builds character; success reveals it

by signcut on Mar 28, 2011 5:49 AM PDT reply actions  

NO 1st Rd Pick So Scratch That $$$$....Mid 2nd Rd Pick Won't Cost Much $$$ Either...

Little worried about the Cap this season…If the $141 Mil figure includes the player benefits as has been noted than we may already be in trouble ($120 Mil Cap)…If not than we are in great shape to sign away a few "FA"s of our choice…

Here is the #’s I know so far…

Seymour’s Cap value may be closer to $15 Mil not $18 Mil…

LB Kamerion Wimbley will cost us $11.2 Mil if no contract is structured…

CB Stanford Routt will have a cap value around $10 Mil…

“D-Mac” $10 Mil…

Rolando McClain $8 Mil

“DHB” $8 Mil Base + Incentives

“QB” Jason Campbell $4.5 Mil…

John Henderson about $4 Mil…

Zack Miller $3.2 Mil

Eugene $2 Mil

Loper $1.9 Mil

Kyle Boller $1.2 Mil

Michael Bennett $0.86 Mil

Roughly $70 Mil in 13 of our top players…Less than a $5.4 Mil ave for these starters and roughly 1/2 our starting roster…Most of the remaining starters will have a cap value far below this…Maybe 1/2…So that would project the Cap value for our starters to be around $100 Mil with some $40 Mil remaining for the other 30 players on our roster or only $20 Mil if it include benefits too…

by PantyRaider on Mar 28, 2011 7:01 AM PDT up reply actions  

the community appreciates the efforts to grow us, Rodney. We need new blood.

Sometimes it feels like the same dozen of us, though we still have the best Raiders blog around. New members are a welcome breath of fresh air, and we have a way of weeding out the fairweathers.

"The only yardstick for success our society has is being a champion. No one remembers anything else."--John Madden

""The massive Raider Nation is beyond doubt the sleaziest and rudest and most sinister mob of thugs and wackos ever assembled."--Hunter S. Thompson

by brhynno on Mar 28, 2011 4:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

I Do The Same...Including Inviting A Few Posters From Where I Use To Post To Join In Here...

The intelligent discourse is a breath of fresh air after other boards have melted down into “Pits-o-Darkness” talking everything bad in the “Anti Raider Nation”…What was once fun has become the “Trail-0-Tears” in the “Valley-o-Doom-n-Gloom”….Crying before the first toss of a coin…Losers before we ever take the field…

by PantyRaider on Mar 28, 2011 8:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

NFLPA Decertification Is A "Sham"...I 2nd The NFL's Proclimation!!!

NFLPA events will not prevent players from attending draft

The NFL Players Association has finalized a plan to re-work its signature draft event, “The Debut,” expanding it to three days, but not interfering directly with the NFL Draft itself…

Nice…They are no longer a Union but they want to collect Union signatures from the draft prospects prior to them being allowed to be drafted…Meanwhile they file in court against the NFL for calling this a “Sham”????….

per the terms of the expired collective bargaining agreement, the NFL could not use the “sham” defense to discredit the NFLPA’s decertification, because it happened while the old CBA was still intact.

Now This: As The Plot Thickens

Former NFL players want to join NFLPA’s fight against lockout

The retirees want the NFL lockout lifted to ensure their pensions and health benefits remain funded. According to the lawsuit, those benefits will end if a collective bargaining agreement is not renewed by next March 11 — a year after the last one expired.

by PantyRaider on Mar 28, 2011 8:37 PM PDT reply actions  

The Hypocrisy!!!....As They Denounce The NFLPA But Are Still Members???

included 40 signatures from current players, representing all 32 teams, reaffirming their decision to renounce union status.

by PantyRaider on Mar 28, 2011 8:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

Epic post, brhynno!

As far as your poll question I think it can only help the Raiders, because they are a lot further along than the other teams. For the most part the Raiders have re-signed their own guys that they are going to re-sign (excluding the ones that were tendered).

They’ll fill the holes they can with the draft (which won’t be many with the late picks).

Due to the re-signings they will then be more ready to sign free agents than any other team.

I can’t say as the re-signings they have already made have filled me with much confidence, though.

Drunk by noon, but that's okay--I'll be president someday.

by Rich Langford on Mar 29, 2011 3:05 AM PDT reply actions  

Hey noon,

Where ya been? Ive missed your humorous additions to the discussion around here.

JUST DOMINATE BABY !!!

by rambis64 on Mar 29, 2011 7:13 AM PDT up reply actions  

Thank. We have missed your presence in discussions.

I voted helps too, as the core of our team is very much in place.

I believe on of the biggest reasons it helps, is because a team like us in the position we are in, is less apt to reach or make desperation picks they might be addressing following the draft, and for the intriguing prospects projected UDFA’s.

Like when a team finds itself on the board, having already filled spots with free agents, and a guy they never expected to be there when they picked, there’s no, “we’d have definitely jumped on said player, had we not signed ____________.”

It also appears the way things are falling that we will still have multiple choices to fill needs where we are picking, but the draft must start out well, to stay going in that direction. A DHB like reach for us could ruin the whole draft, which is another reason why no having an early pick is great for us now. Let the other picks weed out
Potential swings and misses, and get smart, sound, high floor prospects. It’s rare to be on the luxurious position we are in to not need a gaggle of difference makers; we just need a few, and are likely to address at least one with FAs.

"The only yardstick for success our society has is being a champion. No one remembers anything else."--John Madden

""The massive Raider Nation is beyond doubt the sleaziest and rudest and most sinister mob of thugs and wackos ever assembled."--Hunter S. Thompson

by brhynno on Mar 29, 2011 8:11 AM PDT up reply actions  

see respsonse below

Drunk by noon, but that's okay--I'll be president someday.

by Rich Langford on Mar 29, 2011 2:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

Good hearing from you, noon.

Let me fill you in. We are shooting for Herzlich, Casey Matthews, Robert Sands, J. Jarrett, and Buster Skrien in order to have the best defense in the AFC. If a decent OT doesn’t fall to us, we pick one up with a Guard and WR in FA. Then sweep the division again and wreak havoc in the playoffs.

S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
"I did the (2010) draft. ... I made a trade for Seymour. Gave up the first-rounder this year. I could tell you why. You may not think it was a good trade. I thought it was a great trade. Still do. [Al Davis 1/1911]

by Sons-of-Blanda on Mar 29, 2011 10:02 AM PDT up reply actions  

So much to discuss with the re-signings, which I can't say I am a huge fan of

I like your defensive picks. Two LBs though? Ro and Wimbley are starting locks. I am also not sold that either Herzlich or Matthews would be a big enough upgrade over GoethelI to make it worth it.

Love Sands and Jarrett (you did mean the Temple FS right?). I wonder how late Skrine will be available? He has a great attitude to go with his speed.

O-line is a huge concern. I think that has to be the first pick. There should be a decent pool of interior linemen avail with the Raiders first pick.

 I don’t like the thought of Loper being a starting guard. There aren’t many OTs available in FA and they need a RT. I’d be okay with Walker at RG, but that still leaves the team in need of upgrades at RT and LG.

Drunk by noon, but that's okay--I'll be president someday.

by Rich Langford on Mar 29, 2011 2:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yes, on O, ROT, LG and WR (a big vet) is what's needed. As for the LBs, I like Goethel too, but am not sold on any of the others Ro is the given)

… the franchise tag may not stick with the Warden.

S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
"I did the (2010) draft. ... I made a trade for Seymour. Gave up the first-rounder this year. I could tell you why. You may not think it was a good trade. I thought it was a great trade. Still do. [Al Davis 1/1911]

by Sons-of-Blanda on Mar 29, 2011 3:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

I hope it doesn't stick!

Too much money! Still, Al made it clear he is bringing Wimbley back, and I give someone else starting over him about a 0.0005 percent chance of starting over the Warden.

What has been your favorite and least favorite re-signing so far?

Drunk by noon, but that's okay--I'll be president someday.

by Rich Langford on Mar 29, 2011 3:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

As you know, I've done a 180 on Richard. I didn't like the way Dick performed in '09 but watched him play some

great ball last season – so, imo, hands down its the Seymour signing.

S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
"I did the (2010) draft. ... I made a trade for Seymour. Gave up the first-rounder this year. I could tell you why. You may not think it was a good trade. I thought it was a great trade. Still do. [Al Davis 1/1911]

by Sons-of-Blanda on Mar 29, 2011 4:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

Your 180 on Dick was impressive...

also so was your change of heart on Richard Seymour.

I like the signing, too. They aren’t too tied up long term, and rewarded him in the short and possibly uncapped near future.

Drunk by noon, but that's okay--I'll be president someday.

by Rich Langford on Mar 29, 2011 4:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

Richard (I call him out of respect) has emergd as the #1 leader ... I know you've always been fond of Dick

S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
"I did the (2010) draft. ... I made a trade for Seymour. Gave up the first-rounder this year. I could tell you why. You may not think it was a good trade. I thought it was a great trade. Still do. [Al Davis 1/1911]

by Sons-of-Blanda on Mar 29, 2011 9:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

Ironically, Brown can rush the passer well too

But play lb? MLB at that? We have seen that disaster happen more times than it needed to.

"The only yardstick for success our society has is being a champion. No one remembers anything else."--John Madden

""The massive Raider Nation is beyond doubt the sleaziest and rudest and most sinister mob of thugs and wackos ever assembled."--Hunter S. Thompson

by brhynno on Mar 29, 2011 10:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

Wasn't Wimbley better as a nickel rush end, buy a liability for the most part at lb?

Not a true Sam, especially if you ask him to cover Moeaki and Gates, or mismatch wideouts, and he didn’t help the run D much. Were thinking we need both a true Will and Sam, of which, Wimbledon or Scott are neither.

"The only yardstick for success our society has is being a champion. No one remembers anything else."--John Madden

""The massive Raider Nation is beyond doubt the sleaziest and rudest and most sinister mob of thugs and wackos ever assembled."--Hunter S. Thompson

by brhynno on Mar 29, 2011 9:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

I thought Goethel would back Ro until they signed Ricky Brown (a dark day). Now, I'm hoping that Goethel can usurp Groves

and either Herzlich or Matthews can challenge Wimbley.

S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
"I did the (2010) draft. ... I made a trade for Seymour. Gave up the first-rounder this year. I could tell you why. You may not think it was a good trade. I thought it was a great trade. Still do. [Al Davis 1/1911]

by Sons-of-Blanda on Mar 29, 2011 9:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

Oops, above reply should have gone here... But forgot to mention

Goethel will usurp him! Faith!

"The only yardstick for success our society has is being a champion. No one remembers anything else."--John Madden

""The massive Raider Nation is beyond doubt the sleaziest and rudest and most sinister mob of thugs and wackos ever assembled."--Hunter S. Thompson

by brhynno on Mar 29, 2011 10:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

of Raiders remaining free agents

which are the most important to resign [not tendered];

Asomugha?

Huff?

Satele?

Barnes?

other?

by rnpljnsn on Mar 29, 2011 12:23 PM PDT reply actions  

Satele was tendered I think

I don’t think there is much hope in bringing Asomugha back at this point, but it would be amazing if they did.

Drunk by noon, but that's okay--I'll be president someday.

by Rich Langford on Mar 29, 2011 4:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

I've been banking on it, often as a sole believer

Some have come around; but a majority still question Al’s ability to maintain the nucleus of this team.

And yes, he’s part of the nucleus.

"The only yardstick for success our society has is being a champion. No one remembers anything else."--John Madden

""The massive Raider Nation is beyond doubt the sleaziest and rudest and most sinister mob of thugs and wackos ever assembled."--Hunter S. Thompson

by brhynno on Mar 29, 2011 9:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

Listened to an interview on Sirius radio with Stephen Wisniewski

And does that kid ever have me jacked! Tempted to take him in the second just to not let him get by!

Hoping to post on it, but trying to get transcripts first. Will show up somewhere, soon, I’m sure!

Spoke about playing for the amazing school and football program that is Penn St under Joe Paterno, loving and growing up watching uncle Steve and the Raiders, finishing plays, and what he’ll bring to the team fortunate enough to land him April 29th.

"The only yardstick for success our society has is being a champion. No one remembers anything else."--John Madden

""The massive Raider Nation is beyond doubt the sleaziest and rudest and most sinister mob of thugs and wackos ever assembled."--Hunter S. Thompson

by brhynno on Mar 29, 2011 10:37 PM PDT reply actions  

He has already faxed many of the opponents entering the draft, who will land and start on teams, and performed well

One of the reasons Penn continues to be a top ten NFL player factory is the opponents are great, and start in this league, too.

"The only yardstick for success our society has is being a champion. No one remembers anything else."--John Madden

""The massive Raider Nation is beyond doubt the sleaziest and rudest and most sinister mob of thugs and wackos ever assembled."--Hunter S. Thompson

by brhynno on Mar 31, 2011 2:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

im not saying hes not good

he is, hes a very good player, I just dont thinks hes big enough.Plus Center isnt a huge need. If it cam between him and some other o linemen like Cannon or Iljana, i would take Iljana or Cannon.

by RyanTheRaider on Mar 31, 2011 3:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

Me too. If he were there in the third I would look hard at taking him, and he could play guard, too

But he does lack ideal size for where we are going. He does play well against bigger opponents, and his tape shows that.

"The only yardstick for success our society has is being a champion. No one remembers anything else."--John Madden

""The massive Raider Nation is beyond doubt the sleaziest and rudest and most sinister mob of thugs and wackos ever assembled."--Hunter S. Thompson

by brhynno on Mar 31, 2011 6:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

Faced.lol

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""The massive Raider Nation is beyond doubt the sleaziest and rudest and most sinister mob of thugs and wackos ever assembled."--Hunter S. Thompson

by brhynno on Mar 31, 2011 2:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

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