Jason's back-up: A QB ready to go all the way...and take the Raiders with him
by Sons-of-Blanda on Mar 8, 2011 10:49 AM PST
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Raiders' beat reporter, Bill Williamson, doesn't think Bruce Gradkowski will be Jason's back-up. Not that Bruce is necessarily being cut but unlike last season when Grad was tendered for 2nd round draft pick, Raider Org hasn't made an offer. The beating Grad's throwing shoulder took last season was horrific and his trying to play with the separation caused many (ignorant fans) to doubt his ability as a QB. At any rate, it's clear that Grad's stock has fallen and may or may not recover, at least, in Oakland.
Now, the Raiders, have only drafted one QB in 50 years that amounted to anything for them - Stabler (and Kenny took 3-years before he was ready to start); the rest were mediocre at best and mainly marginal or busts. On the other hand, the Raiders have been quite successful at acquiring veteran QBs who had either lost their confidence or their starting position on an NFL team for some (explainable) reason.
Given that Grad's status is dubious and Boller and Frye are unacceptable as Oakland's #2 on the QB depth chart, there is only one viable option - bring in a veteran QB. Now, the most talented and available QB out there is none other than Vince Young. According to The Tennessean, the [Titan organization] "made it clear -- reiterating ... at last month's NFL Scouting Combine -- that Young won't be back". Young said, "I would love to stay in Nashville ...If it doesn’t happen, wherever God blesses me to be at I’ll give 100 percent."
Well, I'll take Vince Young and his 2010 98.6 QB rating (cf. Jason's 84.5, Grad's 66.3, and Boller's 30.2 ratings). Oakland can have this multi-talented athlete at a bargain - just the way Al operates best.
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I dont agree.
Vince Young is very talented, which is why he would not accept being a backup QB. As Campbell showed us last year, he does not play very well when he has someone breathing down his neck.
The best option is to resign Frye and then draft a QB in the later rounds.
If in fact, Jason suffers from that delicate condition, a.k.a. hook anxiety or aversion to competition, then that's a real problem
S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
"I did the (2010) draft. ... I made a trade for Seymour. Gave up the first-rounder this year. I could tell you why. You may not think it was a good trade. I thought it was a great trade. Still do. [Al Davis 1/1911]
by Sons-of-Blanda on Mar 8, 2011 11:00 AM PST up reply actions
True.
It will be interesting to see how Jason responds to being in the same system for the first time in his entire football career.
Young seems to have a greater problem
He is basically a head case.
I don’t see that as an upgrade. I am not yet sold on Campbell as being ‘the man’, but I am even less enamored of a guy who has already shown that he has problems, as Young has.
Failure builds character; success reveals it
Sons, Bill Williamson writes a pretty straightforward column.. ..
He just pretty much states the facts as they appear, and it doesnt seem like Oakland will keep Grads. As much as Grads lifts Oakland emotionally, he is below .500 as a starter and his shoulder is pretty much scotched. I will never hold the Pittsburgh game against him when he was brought in and was as useless as Campbell; I was at that game and if Jesus had suited up in S&B the outcome would have been the same against the Steeler’s D that day.
I do agree with los_raiders that Oak will pick up a QB in the draft, but I dont know about them keeping Frye. He is a good film guy and has a clue, yet he isnt a firestarter and he is also made of glass. The draft and FA will be an interesting look this year.
The cowards never started, the weak died along the way....
by BlackHeartSilverEyes on Mar 8, 2011 12:14 PM PST reply actions
That does seem the crux of it. So, given Grad's chances, we will likely need a viable back-up.
And given Jason’s durability (not that he isn’t tough), we must secure a better QB than what’ we have. Who besides VY would that be? Kolb would cost a 1st round and big money. VY is persona non grata now for most teams but Al doesn’t thinks like other GM’s. Young would thrive in Oakland and then, after we’ve seen how both Jason and he did, could settle on one or the other for a longer deal.
S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
"I did the (2010) draft. ... I made a trade for Seymour. Gave up the first-rounder this year. I could tell you why. You may not think it was a good trade. I thought it was a great trade. Still do. [Al Davis 1/1911]
Kolb would get big money, but not necessarily first rounder. PK and Tim were just discussing on Sirius
it was their belief, in disagreement with a caller, that he’s not yet worth the first, but in this league, you never know.
"The only yardstick for success our society has is being a champion. No one remembers anything else."--John Madden
""The massive Raider Nation is beyond doubt the sleaziest and rudest and most sinister mob of thugs and wackos ever assembled."--Hunter S. Thompson
He is worth what a team will pay for him
It’s the fact that Philly is asking for a 1st round pick + that is the problem with acquiring Kolb. Some team like Arizona will probably pay that ransom too.
JUST DOMINATE BABY !!!
Yea, you see how great their coach looks post Warner...
…some of his personnel moves remind me of McDaniels’ prototype.
The cowards never started, the weak died along the way....
by BlackHeartSilverEyes on Mar 9, 2011 9:21 AM PST up reply actions
Are you Conseding the Bet, S-O-B ???
I’m not sure who’ll be the #2, or #3, but the only way Gradz gets back into the picture,1) will be due to injury, during the season, not the in the beginning SOB !!! 2) Miraculously his shoulder is healed, better than it was before it was hurt !!!
Grad will be on the roster at the opener
S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
"I did the (2010) draft. ... I made a trade for Seymour. Gave up the first-rounder this year. I could tell you why. You may not think it was a good trade. I thought it was a great trade. Still do. [Al Davis 1/1911]
by Sons-of-Blanda on Mar 9, 2011 6:34 AM PST up reply actions
Nopers
Who gives a shit, who gives a fuck?
by TheLyleAlzadoPunch on Mar 9, 2011 10:50 AM PST up reply actions
vince young, marc bulger, tarvarios from minesota, are free agents
thats just to name a few. yes in bruce we trust but he is damaged goods for this year.
by sports with steve on Mar 8, 2011 1:04 PM PST reply actions
Wouldn't mind Bulger.
Always rated him. But I’d rather we picked up a backup through the draft.
Anyone think Matt Leinart is worth a look? Al’s always been a fan of his (IIRC, he wanted to take him in 2006 but Shell pushed for Huff) and spending a year on the bench in Houston might have been the kick in the arse he needed.
No one likes us,
No one likes us,
We're the Raiders and we don't care...
"Darth Vader is a punk compared to Al Davis." - Hunter S Thompson
If Art Shell didnt have his head up his ASS...
..we would have had Leinart at 7 instead of Michael Huff in that year.
I liked Leinart at USC and Davis wanted him because had a good workout with Oakland but as the story goes, Shell talked him out of it. Probably only Art Shell could, with his history and cred. I think Leinart would be worth a look. I think Whisenhut is an ass, his cred only inflated by Warner (obvious what the Cardinals were without him) andf I think his grudge against Leinart put him in the McDaniels hall of bullshit coaches.
The cowards never started, the weak died along the way....
by BlackHeartSilverEyes on Mar 8, 2011 4:15 PM PST up reply actions
Good thing!
Leinart turned out to be a 1st class douchebubble.
Refuse to tiptoe through life only to arrive safely at death
For sure. Leinart at 7 would have been a monumental swing and miss
Maybe kicking the tires on him now, that he’s worth well, a Mr. Irrelevant pick in return, and frog tits.
"The only yardstick for success our society has is being a champion. No one remembers anything else."--John Madden
""The massive Raider Nation is beyond doubt the sleaziest and rudest and most sinister mob of thugs and wackos ever assembled."--Hunter S. Thompson
would be okay...
nah. I’d venture to say worse than Frye or Boller at this point.
"The only yardstick for success our society has is being a champion. No one remembers anything else."--John Madden
""The massive Raider Nation is beyond doubt the sleaziest and rudest and most sinister mob of thugs and wackos ever assembled."--Hunter S. Thompson
Playing for Whisenhunt, who seems like quite the douche himself...
I think had Leinart not been relegated to back-up when Warner went to AZ, he might have developed a bit more, and he still has an arm & brain.
The cowards never started, the weak died along the way....
by BlackHeartSilverEyes on Mar 8, 2011 10:41 PM PST up reply actions
Perhaps
But, he really turned into Mr. Hollywood. I think that these personality issues would have surfaced anyway.
Refuse to tiptoe through life only to arrive safely at death
So he partied a little bit..what young dude with cash doesnt?
Painted as a douche seems to be a lazy way sportswriters do their work. I think he was just back burnered and kicked to the curb by Whisenhut and pretty much was relegated to the bench and not really developed any further as Warner sucked all the oxygen out of the QB coaches and Offense. You can see how great a coach he turned out to be after Warner’s exit….he’s nothing.
The cowards never started, the weak died along the way....
by BlackHeartSilverEyes on Mar 9, 2011 9:19 AM PST up reply actions
Bruce is damaged goods physically,
Young is damaged goods emotionally. I just can’t see this working out well. Bulger is getting old, but would be a competent back-up. Tavaris Jackson kinda got hosed in Minnesota, I think time will tell with him.
Vince is the best talent out of those three...
… but the best fit for a back-up would be Bulger. Campbell wouldn’t have to worry about Bulger taking his spot. If it were Vince, he’d definitely be looking over his shoulder (and rightfully so).
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By all means, sign a QB so inferior to Jason that any posibility of anxiety will be eliminated - good thinkiing.
S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
"I did the (2010) draft. ... I made a trade for Seymour. Gave up the first-rounder this year. I could tell you why. You may not think it was a good trade. I thought it was a great trade. Still do. [Al Davis 1/1911]
by Sons-of-Blanda on Mar 8, 2011 2:53 PM PST up reply actions
LOL...paging Marc Wilson...
The cowards never started, the weak died along the way....
by BlackHeartSilverEyes on Mar 8, 2011 4:16 PM PST up reply actions
LOL
S&BP - I know absolutely nothing about this guy but if he is fast I say sign him up.
P&T - That's what She-Will Said.
marc wilson how old is that old douche?
by sports with steve on Mar 9, 2011 11:25 AM PST up reply actions
The joke is that Wilson never threatened anyone anywhere, anytime...
The cowards never started, the weak died along the way....
by BlackHeartSilverEyes on Mar 10, 2011 7:33 AM PST up reply actions
I think getting Vince Young is a great idea...
except for a few reasons already mentioned.1 VY wants to start,there are 4 or 5 other teams that could use him as such.2 his attitude and work ethic are questionable.If Campbell does suffer from what S.O.B referred to as"HOOK AXIETY"(which i think he got cured of that)then having a guy like VY behind him will not be good.3 We all know that the first Int JC throws or the first time he fumbles people are going start yammering for Vince to come in,and the whole who,s better than who debate will start all over again.
All that being said,if he would be willing to come to Oakland as a back up then i am all for it.if Campbell does have a relapse of"hook anxiety"then at least VY could actually come in and do the job.
"The time is now"
Hue Jackson
When you put it such terms, you make a powerful argument for VY
if indeed Jason does have the competition syndrome, then that’s no reason to not throw it right at him and make him respond.
My bigger questions lie in VY’s questionable maturity, though as time goes by I see him somehow fitting. Like you said, if he came cheap, it’s almost a no-brainer, but I think there will be enough demand for him that he garners a decent paycheck from whatever team woos him.
"The only yardstick for success our society has is being a champion. No one remembers anything else."--John Madden
""The massive Raider Nation is beyond doubt the sleaziest and rudest and most sinister mob of thugs and wackos ever assembled."--Hunter S. Thompson
Finally, when I said lets get Vince Young most thought I was crazy, except for Sons of course because at the end of the day we want the Lombardi Trophy in Oakland....
Vince is the the best available QB on the market hands down…And he is better than any QB coming out in the draft..Basically, getting Vince would really strengthen our team..We would have two QB’s with the ability to start…If Campbell has a problem with his confidence that is his problem!!! I am not with that it makes him nervous stuff..lol That is so funny to me..Being born and raised in East Oakland we called that punk sh-t…lol For those that think Hue is not a strong enough coach to control his team, I can tell you he is.. I have been for Vince Young from day 1, Sons of Blanda, you are dead on here. This would put the Raiders in a hell of position for years to come at QB…Great Post…If you know anything about Football you should know this would be a great move for the Raiders…By the way, I am the same individual that felt we should have gotten Mike Vick…go figure…
by Rodney Sacramento on Mar 8, 2011 2:41 PM PST reply actions
we dont think your crazy
we think Young is crazy,
by RyanTheRaider on Mar 8, 2011 3:56 PM PST up reply actions
You weren't the only One , Rod !!!
I think I was the first to State Micheal Vic , would’ve been a good pick-up, the only thing is he wouldn’t have had the coaching he needed that first year !!! There was a reason Dungy told him Oakland wouldn’t be a good fit for him, and that was 90% of it !!! The other 10%, being Oakland itself !!! He might not been able to handle the town, like someone else we know !!!
No Thanks on VY
Not because of Jason’s confidence – I agree with the comments ridiculing that concern. Its because of VY himself… he’s a me-first prima donna douchebag who even after being beaten out by Kerry Collins thinks he is a “Hall of Famer”.. you think he won’t stir up shit when he isnt the starter here?
For the most part the cancers have been excised from this team – we don’t need this one
show me a VY talent without his head and attitude and I’d sign right up – also, I think Vince will get a gig where he really has a chance to start rather that being told from the jump he’s the 2 like he would be here
I like the Tarvaris idea – we do need a veteran backup – if we have to hold our nose and pray for no injuries i’d take Boller over Charlie … and thanks for the memories, Bruce, but Im pretty sure its over
Tarvaris is a poor man's version of Vince Young and Micael Vick ... but with agitated feet - the exact opposite of a pocket passer.
S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
"I did the (2010) draft. ... I made a trade for Seymour. Gave up the first-rounder this year. I could tell you why. You may not think it was a good trade. I thought it was a great trade. Still do. [Al Davis 1/1911]
by Sons-of-Blanda on Mar 8, 2011 3:01 PM PST up reply actions
He has had periods of competence in the past
and despite getting jerking around by the farveshow for the last 2 years has never caused a problem
another comparison could be bruce gradkowski but faster, bigger and with a MUCH stronger arm
i just think he’d be a good backup option, better than bulger, leinart, frye or boller, any of the other names i’ve seen – don’t want VY strictly for his makeup issues – i see your point but I just think vince has enough of a track record to conclude that he’s a jackass
a name i haven’t heard but would be interesting is (obvious distaste for his pedigree aside) alex smith, if he’s not brought back
Alex Smith is fine until you bring presure - then he's as inaccurate as JaWasted1 on purple drank
S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
"I did the (2010) draft. ... I made a trade for Seymour. Gave up the first-rounder this year. I could tell you why. You may not think it was a good trade. I thought it was a great trade. Still do. [Al Davis 1/1911]
by Sons-of-Blanda on Mar 8, 2011 3:15 PM PST up reply actions
gotcha
but anybody on the “looking for an fa contract as a backup” is going to have significant flaws
alex is still young and i think he was unfairly scapegoated for a lot of incompetence on the 415 side of the bay
I do like the idea of Alex Smith
as JC’s backup, but I don’t see the niners letting him go. I think Harbaugh is going to try and work with Smith and avoid drafting a QB this year. Then sell the farm for Andrew Luck next year.
JUST DOMINATE BABY !!!
I agree 100% lxmas.
I would even prefer Kerry Collins over VY as a backup this time around because he would know his role and shut his mouth.
Trust No One
Studies show stress can kill you, but don't worry about it.
by TAW on Mar 8, 2011 3:36 PM PST up reply actions
ugh. having seen kerry's stylings in that kc/tenn game last year that we needed him to win for us
id rather see joan collins here, probably still has a pretty nice rack even at 80 years old or whatever
Young would cause a QB controversy the moment Campbell throws a bad pass. I’m not down for that. Bring back Bruce, somebody willing to be a backup and won’t complain
Yeah, cause there was no QB controversy with Bruce this year.
Sad fact, unless you’re QB is Peyton Manning or your back-up is Marques Tuiasosopo Andrew Walter Charlie Frye Curtis Painter you’re going to have a controversy when the team performs poorly. When the team succeeds it’s the QB’s credit, when the team fails, it’s the QB’s blame.
Vince - No Way!
I live just outside of Nashville, TN. i have been forced to follow the professional career of Vince Young if you can call it that. Outside of his rookie season, Vince Young sucks! He is posion to a team. (Ja-Russ lite) Young has a serious attitude problem. He doesn’t believe he has to practice hard, he doesn’t believe he has to study film. He is Vince Young and that should be good enough. He will divide a lockroom and destroy a team. With Vince it is all about Vince. He thinks the rest ot the guy are there to carry him off on their shoulders at the end of the game. Everyone wants to point to his winning pct. So what! Most of those wins were due to the legs of Chris Johnson and not the arm of Vince Young. The Raiders, after several years, are finally in a good place. I love our squad. Al, please do not bring this cancer in to screw it all up. If Vince Young is an Oakland Raider, then I’ve had it wrong for all these years. Being a Raiders means to be tuff, smart and have grit. Vince is just a cry baby. A Raider, NO WAY!
Snake belongs in the HOF!
by Tennessee Raider on Mar 8, 2011 3:38 PM PST reply actions 2 recs
On the other hand, you may be getting fed Fisher's and the media's spin
S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
"I did the (2010) draft. ... I made a trade for Seymour. Gave up the first-rounder this year. I could tell you why. You may not think it was a good trade. I thought it was a great trade. Still do. [Al Davis 1/1911]
by Sons-of-Blanda on Mar 8, 2011 3:41 PM PST up reply actions
I watched him play - how do you spin that?
Snake belongs in the HOF!
by Tennessee Raider on Mar 8, 2011 3:43 PM PST up reply actions
if this was all just spin i'd expect to have heard some louder voices expressing the counterpoint
keep in mind that all this came out despite vince being the owner’s “guy”
and still i did not hear a whole lot of VY defenders
where there’s smoke and giant 80-foot high flames, there’s fire
if you want to argue that maybe he would act different here, or could be reined in, or might mature, that’s fine, but i think its pretty evident that the guy was a cancer in TN
Pretty much how I see it
and I can see scenarios that might work, but if i had to choose, I’d lean against this decision. The not wanting to study is unacceptable. Mike Vick admits he relied only on his athleticism similarly early on, and now that he’s serious about being something special he’s understood how important it is to study, and that relying on instinct will take you only so far.
If VY still feels this way at this point of his career, that’s a huge red flag, and he’s not a fit with this team.
"The only yardstick for success our society has is being a champion. No one remembers anything else."--John Madden
""The massive Raider Nation is beyond doubt the sleaziest and rudest and most sinister mob of thugs and wackos ever assembled."--Hunter S. Thompson
by brhynno on Mar 8, 2011 5:23 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Word up
VY has a lot of growing up to do, and we do not have the patience to deal with that right now.
"We can't stop here... This is bat country."
if we are drafting a QB this year
we will need Mr. Frye to show him how to study game film, Charlie has had great games, he could be the next Jim Plunkett ya know.
he would be the beast option for having a qb in the future, I think Frye will probably become a head coach some day the way it appears.
He is a servicable back-up; should Mr. Campbell get injured short term or for the season.
I don't mind the group we have right now
Frye is a great guy to have wearing the headphones, and Grad or Boller are familiar with the system and the coaching staff.
I don’t think Bulger, Jackson, or any other back up QB out there is better than these guys already in the Raider system.
Skill wise, V. Young is better than everyone, even JC, but the guy is a freaking mess. I say forget the drama, and the high price tag for a back up, and roll with what we have.
"We can't stop here... This is bat country."
Really!!!!!!
Look what happen last time we had a qb that could not write his own name .
I’d say Kevin Kolb would be worth a look!!!!!
by RaiderNationMidwestChapter on Mar 8, 2011 4:04 PM PST reply actions
Are you saying VY is dumb?
S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
"I did the (2010) draft. ... I made a trade for Seymour. Gave up the first-rounder this year. I could tell you why. You may not think it was a good trade. I thought it was a great trade. Still do. [Al Davis 1/1911]
by Sons-of-Blanda on Mar 8, 2011 4:07 PM PST up reply actions
6 on the wonderlic but that isn't why I don't want him
by lchristmas on Mar 8, 2011 8:27 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
that's scary. he could have marked "C" on all 50 questions and had at least a 10
S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
"I did the (2010) draft. ... I made a trade for Seymour. Gave up the first-rounder this year. I could tell you why. You may not think it was a good trade. I thought it was a great trade. Still do. [Al Davis 1/1911]
by Sons-of-Blanda on Mar 8, 2011 8:33 PM PST up reply actions
Wonderlic
I just scored a 36 on the wonderlic. VY MUST be an idiot.
No
Last thing we need is an ego-war going on in the locker room. No way would ol’ Vince be cool with being a backup to Campbell.
Refuse to tiptoe through life only to arrive safely at death
I don't see it happening either
Felix the Cat?
I used to get up at like 4am in the morning when I was five years old to watch that show!
"The only yardstick for success our society has is being a champion. No one remembers anything else."--John Madden
""The massive Raider Nation is beyond doubt the sleaziest and rudest and most sinister mob of thugs and wackos ever assembled."--Hunter S. Thompson
Yeah
That is the old “Bombcat” logo from when the Navy was still using the F-14.
Refuse to tiptoe through life only to arrive safely at death
+1
"The only yardstick for success our society has is being a champion. No one remembers anything else."--John Madden
""The massive Raider Nation is beyond doubt the sleaziest and rudest and most sinister mob of thugs and wackos ever assembled."--Hunter S. Thompson
I've said it many times and it has been proven!!
Bruce Gradkowski sucks as a starter and I will keep saying it until his ass is gone!!! Look at his record as a starter for other teams he has played for. He is also injury prone so using that as an excuse is straight bull!! He comes in the game slinging the ball and pick gets blinded not realizing he is really irractic and very inaccurate. He doesn’t have a strong arm either trying to force the ball in tight spots and getting picked off. If we can get Vince Young without breaking the bank and put attitude incentives in his contract, it would be great. We need a QB who can also run because our offensive line is not sturdy or consistent. Manning, Brees and Brady would not last behind that line$
by Archangel25 on Mar 8, 2011 8:54 PM PST via mobile reply actions
In Grads defense
He started for horrible teams before coming to Oakland. I love the guy’s heart and dedication, but his durability is a serious issue. He is a great #2 that can come in for a few plays or a quarter or two and rally the team behind him. You can’t ask much more from a back up QB.
"We can't stop here... This is bat country."
Grad made his own bed
If he protected himself then he wouldn’t have shoulder injuries. You’re not being paid to play QB so you can ram into DBs.
Other than that, he needs to learn to lift weights properly so he doesn’t tear muscles.
Well all know of Vince Young's mental breakdowns in the media, there is NO doubt that the media has pinned Vince has a psycho path...lol
Look, unless he is retarded, and he isn’t, Vince Young knows his entire career is flashing in front him.. He is NO longer the nationaal championship QB coming out of college. He is a NFL QB with damaged goods and I am sure his agent has expressed that to him. Also, have you heard any word of teams trying to talk to the Titans about this guy? No..Vince and his team should know he has to rebuild his reputation, because you are all right as it pertains to that. It is something every team will know upfront. But most of you are the same people that said Mike Vick is a cancer blah, blah, look I am a very successful businessman that grew up in East Oakland, went to tough schools, Lord knows made my share of mistakes, played ball, and at the end of the day as I matured so did my decision making. I know where Vince comes from, I have family members with Super Bowl rings and it can be tough to be poor and you wake up one day with several million dollars posted in your bank account. This kid is NOT all that you are making him out to be, just like Mike Vick wasn’t…. Given an opportunity in the right environment with the right leadership, Hue Jackson over Jeff Fisher, this kid will most likely thrive. All that psycho babble means nothing when they snap the ball..And for you guys to young to remember, the Raiders have always be a team of misfits, players with attitudes, but when the ball snapped, you wanted to get the hell out the way..Learn real Raider History, I have no problem with Vince Young because of all the media non-sense.. I spent a decade in the media getting a paycheck, and for the most part it is all spin and with African Americans the media tends to magnify personal issues..So, if you just want to win, then Vince Young will help…If you want a goodie two shoes roster root for the fu-king Niners..But the Raiders, should get back to what made them the Raiders in the first place..Tough as tempered steel Defense and light em up Offense…
by Rodney Sacramento on Mar 9, 2011 3:30 AM PST reply actions
we've talked about VY
in the past. JC’s money is guaranteed for this year and AD wants to prove the critics wrong that JC is the second coming of plunkett. I genuinely believe that VY can play; no doubt. So the issue is twofold – 1) money. VY can and should get starting QB money and having 2 QBs making starting QB money won’t work in the new CBA scheme. 2) VY is a starter. Other teams will and should guarantee him that starting job. Hence, to bring in VY, you need to move JC out. Not happening. If,if, if, you can bring VY in cheap, let him compete. What’s the downside? Practically, I don’t see it.
by raiders4liffe on Mar 9, 2011 6:48 AM PST up reply actions
ah, the good ole race card
I don’t seem to recall the tennessee media being out to get steve mcnair
And vince youngs personal maturity issues don’t have any relation to why people didn’t want vick here, or, with all due respect, your life experiences (unless you became a multi millionaire at age 21, acted like an entitled baby for 5 years, then somehow completely changed your personality)
Vinces very recent comments actually suggest that he has not learned a thing. Not everybody does. In fact, it is the exception.
by lchristmas on Mar 9, 2011 7:16 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
Yeah, the good ole race card, however, that wasn't my intent on making that statement..It is just a reality that cannot be ignored...
No Steve McNair was well, Steve and he was mature for the most part and a leader on his team..The reality is Vince Young has had real issues, the only thing is when I spoke to Leroy Harris, he is a friend of my cousins and is a reserve lineman with the Titans he says Vince is not as crazy as he is purported to be…Thus the hype may be overrated to a certain point..Raiders4life makes an excellent point in terms of the contractual situation, should that be the case it wouldn’t work anyway..However, should the market not pursue VY and we can get him for a price that makes sense for the good of the team, I would do it. Of course, this is only my opinion, I believe he would add strength to our roster, whether he wants to start or not, Steve Young played behind Joe Montana, and VY can play behind Jason Campbell..
by Rodney Sacramento on Mar 9, 2011 7:40 AM PST up reply actions
Ah...
if only either of those two were actually Montana or Young. I’d feel a lot better about our situation. The fact is VY wants to start and is going to be a pain in the ass if he’s not allowed to do so, we don’t need that drama.
JUST DOMINATE BABY !!!
Hahaha...if we have the Steve Young, Joe Montana problem we would be talking about something totally different...There would be no debate at QB...
by Rodney Sacramento on Mar 9, 2011 1:52 PM PST up reply actions
Beg to differ...
As I recall it was quite the fiasco, with some people (albeit west bay types) screaming for Steve Bono. I think the Alex Smith debacle is their punishment.
Having Steve Young or Montana wouldn't work (according to many) b/c it would place undue stress on Jason
S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
"I did the (2010) draft. ... I made a trade for Seymour. Gave up the first-rounder this year. I could tell you why. You may not think it was a good trade. I thought it was a great trade. Still do. [Al Davis 1/1911]
by Sons-of-Blanda on Mar 9, 2011 2:32 PM PST up reply actions
that's not what we saw,
JC got pulled half way through game 2 and took it like a man. We didn’t hear boo from him when he was backing up Bruce. Got up from the mat and had several spectacular games when the offence had more than 500 yrds and trounced the broncos in mile high unlike any QB in modern history (yes, I know he also had some stinkers and missed throws, etc, etc). Bottom line, he’s good, not great but good enough if we have a running game. I don’t expect him to steal games but he won’t consistently lose us games. From what we saw, his key attribute is his mental toughness (takes the benching and criticism from the nation) and comes back harder. Let’s remember that with DHB starting, his WRs are as green as you can get compared to any NFL teams. Like I said, I’m ok with VY, or Montana, Young, etc, I just don’t see a starting QB wanting to come here and compete while JC is the incumbent when there’s a least 5 teams in desperate need of a starting QB. I’m not worried about JC’s psyche competing for the job when it’s his to lose. The only thing is that you can’t yank QBs in and out every 2 games; too disruptive to the team. JC affords us a chance to focus on other needs – OL, LBs, and now possibly CB. Not necessarily a starting QB.
by raiders4liffe on Mar 10, 2011 1:33 AM PST up reply actions
Jason may not have said anything, but if looks could talk that pouty look would sound like a wet 2 year old
S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
"I did the (2010) draft. ... I made a trade for Seymour. Gave up the first-rounder this year. I could tell you why. You may not think it was a good trade. I thought it was a great trade. Still do. [Al Davis 1/1911]
by Sons-of-Blanda on Mar 10, 2011 6:43 AM PST up reply actions
What we saw was
a guy in JC who didn’t really come into his own until Grad was out of the picture, now whether that was because he couldn’t handle the pressure of Grads behind him or that just happened to be when he started to click in the new offense we don’t know, but the starters job was his to lose last year and he lost it because of his poor play.
JUST DOMINATE BABY !!!
"couldn't handle the pressure of Grads"
give me a break. JC was stunned that the coaches panicked and pulled him after 6 qtrs. that would explain his “pouty look”. Frankly, I don’t want my QB all smiley like Derek Anderson when he’s getting pulled; I do want him to be pissed. Just keep your mouth shut outside the locker room. Many QBs, crumble when they get pulled – aside from your savior VY, Alex Smith and Leinart never recovered and we’ll see how Henne handles it. Bottom line is this, he didn’t break and got it done. That’s good enough for me. until we reach the SB, no jobs are safe. Bring whoever upgrades the team, however, given new constraints, our focus must include the OL, LB, and now potentially CB. I may regret saying this because he’s a gladiator but Bruce is done, let it go. Great back up when healthy, limited upside as a starter.
by raiders4liffe on Mar 11, 2011 4:12 AM PST up reply actions
I've mentioned this before, but it bears repeating.
Some of VY’s shenanigans are classic Raider hooliganry (yep, made that word up), for example strip club meelees. Most of them however (Alleged suicide attempts, pad throwing, apologies by text message) are worrisome, infantile, and chickenshit, respectively. That is not Classic Raider behavior, and not what people have come to dread about playing against them.
Don't even think about VY!
He would ruin any chance at consistency for the team.
Bruce is not a stater in any league. But, he is a very good back up with some fire in his belly. How will he and JC do together again? IDK. If Mallet falls to the 3rd, draft him and see what happens.
Vince Young is a spolied head case.
I don’t want him anywhere near my team unless he’s broken in half under a pile up of Richard Seymour, Tommy Kelly, and Matt Shaughnessy.
"I'm surrounded by assholes. Keep firing, assholes!"
Im cautious of young
i think if we bring him in, he would expect a starting job, or he will create a feud with hue.
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
formerly patriotguy2 ;)
We could always try and talk Brett Favre into unretiring for the 50th billion time to be a back-up. lol
He’s actually a better option than Tavarias Jackson.
I don’t see Young coming here to be a back-up. He seems to have the mentality that he must be the starter much like our good ol’ pal JaMarcus Russell will only play in the NFL regardless of there being other options.
We could attempt Jeff Garcia, again.
I really think we should keep Frye and draft a late round QB. 6th or 7th pick. We don’t need to pick one earlier because we have other more important needs to fill.
JC, Grad, Frye, Boller
Keep all four, one is bound to get injured before the season starts.
"We can't stop here... This is bat country."
Young is probably going to have to be a back up somewhere unless AZ or MN make a move for him
If he ends up having to accept a back up role it makes sense to go to a team that has a starter that he might be able to beat out in a competition and as much faith as i have in JC, VY certainly would be nipping at his heels. If Vince grows up and is more mature than to take off his jersey and throw it to the stands.
by Marcus Allen Krause on Mar 9, 2011 10:15 AM PST reply actions
Come on Raider Nation
VY is a head case who has failed with a Titan team that had a very good offensive line and one of the best RB in the game. All that talent wasted because he has no concept of what it takes to be one of the best QB in the game. No, hanging out at strip clubs punching people won’t get it done.
Alex Smith, he was the bigger bust just prior to JaMarcus Russell and Raider Nation actually wants to see him in Silver and Black? Don’t you read any of the SF articles these last few years? Have you not witness first hand how he has kept SF in the gutter year in and year out?
C. Frye played horrible for the Raiders and you can add Kyle Boller as his evil twin.
Bulger is so gun shy that he ducks at invisible DE and DT because of the horrible offense the Rams gave him in his last stint. Who wants a QB that has the “deer in headlights look?”
Linert? Get real, he’ll be dumped soon. This guy is looking for the next beer bong party.
Raiders best option is to hope for a healthy Bruce Gradkowski and draft a young QB in the later round.
The key word in your last sentence that I don't like
“hope”
Not a real solid plan. If worse comes to worse and there aren’t any better inexpensive options I would not hate to see boller as the #2 with frye or a rookie behind him. Boller was not nearly as awful in baltimore as he was made out to be. He has way more talent than frye.
by lchristmas on Mar 9, 2011 2:23 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
"not hate"
almost double negative. He’s getting paid number 2 money. He’s our back up, like it or not. We haven’t seen enough of him to make a true assessment. But Hue knows and likes him, hence, we need to go with that for right now. In my eyes, the interesting question is who’s the number 3? Do you go with some experience or draft a rookie in the later rounds to, yes, attempt to develop. SOB correctly mentioned that Stabler is the only great QB drafted by the Raiders in 50 yrs (I would argue that Beuerlein was a solid draft pick for a 4th rounder that had a very productive career) but QB development is not in our DNA. We just don’t have it. If there’s a lockout, a QB drafted player will miss most of the mini and training camp; hence, a wasted development year and draft pick.
by raiders4liffe on Mar 10, 2011 1:44 AM PST up reply actions
Alex Smith problems in SF
had a lot to do with having a different OC ( a lot like JC) every year there. When he had Norv Turner he played like a 1st round pick, with other OC’s not so much. Alex has grown up and while I wouldn’t pay much for him, I’d rather see him backing up JC than Buttholler. I think Hue could do something with him and Al loves getting former 1st rounders on the cheap.
JUST DOMINATE BABY !!!
Doesnt mean shit about Young, Frye or Grads...Boller signed a 1 year deal.
Jackson coached him at Baltimore and in essence brought him on board when he was the OC. He is Jackson’s guy, wasnt hurt last year, and Grads and Frye havent been tendered. Giving Boller 1.25 Million in 2011 has opened the door for him at #2 and a QB draft in the later rounds.
The cowards never started, the weak died along the way....
by BlackHeartSilverEyes on Mar 10, 2011 7:41 AM PST reply actions
obvious hue likes boiler, then who else. can we have grad and frye again
grad would be on the sideline healing with boiler and frye as backups. ok we have marc bulger, taverious, vince young, and maybe another one in the up and coming . delhomme or brady quinn. i cant see drafting a qb at all.so i just threw this together like a toss salad
by sports with steve on Mar 10, 2011 8:25 PM PST up reply actions
QB's
I don’t understand the Boller signing at all,the guys horrible,even as a back-up. As far as JC goes,he plays like a deer in the headlights,always has. He cant make a decision to save his life. I cant tell you how many times i’d see Z. Miller open,even for short gains, just to watch JC crumble & drop to his knee’s. It’s pathetic. It would be nice if Grad could stay healthy (not gonna happen) then he might be worth keepin. Frye’s a joke at best. So that leaves free agents, & as much as i hate to say it……………….get Vince Young!!! Bulger is shit & Taverious is a 3rd stringer (at best). I’m not the biggest fan of VY but he is a winner, & he can run well when needed (considering our line). IMO he’s the best way to go.
What kind of price tag is fair for VY?
I’m inclined to believe he wouldn’t be exactly cheap, but who knows.
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as far as drafting a young QB
I’m all for it, just pick 1 & go with it…hell i wish we woulda got one last year instead of a LBer!!!! Eventhough i do like Ro….we knew we were in trouble at QB atleast 2 yrs ago….help the cause.
Just not with anything earlier than fifth rounder
and even then, only if we’ve gotten at least two lineman and a solid lb or cb or safety. Picks are precious right now as it stands.
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