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Building this Bully, Version 2.0: Keys to Success. Getting back the Nasty Defensive Identity once characteristic of Raiders teams

Approaching mid-March, while certain details of the new CBA regarding free agency are being hashed out, key free agents on our defensive side remain unsigned. As in version 1, we'll break down position by position, and attempt to develop a clearer picture of what's to come for our Raiders defense in 2011, based on what we had last year, what we have now, and possibilities of what will be roster-wise, starting this season. While we're on the subject, here's an interesting link to an article on Raiders.com on the evolution of our defense:

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Is this article foreshadowing some of what we will see this year, in defensive fronts? What can we expect from Chuck Bresnahan and our paltry run defense this time around? Will his awesomeness and Michael H. be a part of our secondary this year? Eugene is inked, and the franchise tag was placed on none other than Kamerion Wimbley... hmmm... You know the drill; hit the jump to read on.

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Raiders teams in the past had success in the 3-4, and the tone of the article initially makes one wonder if there is some significance to pointing out what super bowl winning teams in the past used to get wins. The last time our defense was really much to talk about was in 2002, in a 4-3 base that has remained. This from the piece on Raiders. com:

En route to an appearance in Super Bowl XXXVII, the 2002 Raiders employed a 4-3 front with John Parrella, Sam Adams and Rod Coleman rotating at defensive tackle and Regan Upshaw and DeLawrence Grant at the defensive end spots. The linebackers included rookie Napoleon Harris, and veterans Bill Romanowski and Eric Barton. The secondary featured Charles Woodson and Tory James on the corners and Hall of Famer Rod Woodson, along with Anthony Dorsett at safety. The team chalked up 43 sacks and 21 interceptions. Coleman led the way with 11 sacks and Rod Woodson tied for the league lead with eight interceptions. The 2002 Raiders defense ranked among the league leaders in least points allowed per game, least rushing yards per attempt and fewest rushing yards allowed per game.

We can expect to see our prototypical 4-3 man/press base defense to return, this time with Rod Woodson, Greg Biekert, and Chuck Bresnahan reunited now under Hue Jackson, but to be called a bully anytime soon, this team's D must develop a true identity and fast, and demonstrate ability to consistently control the run. With that, let us look at the squad, position by position:

Defensive Backs

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At free safety we have Stevie Brown and Hiram Eugene under contract, with Michael Huff up in the air. At strong, currently Tyvon Branch and Mike Mitchell. SBP is rife with speculation about Huff, whose future here now grows more uncertain with the signing of Eugene, himself a solid cover free with tackling that needs serious help, and the tag going to our pass rushing backer in Wimbley, who may as well be an end. I'm leaning towards Huff being back in silver and black happening, but you can't by any means count out the possibility of the predator, or another youth assuming the roster spot.  Mf44dfe5ae65d5764aa26df22013e5d1b_medium

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Regardless of who it will be, I'm hoping Rod Woodson and the defensive coaches make good on his statement that we'll get these guys in better position to be playmakers, facing the ball a bit more, and not left chasing down the big and fast receivers we face in our division. What I expect to see is a synchronization of the defensive backfield with the stalwart pass rushing line we have. Rod was a master at picking up cues from the lineman, always policing the field and his team, helping them to be in position to make plays. The safeties and corners can see from cues Richard Seymour, Lamarr Houston, Matt Shaugnessy, and Kamerion Wimbley will give, and know how often these guys can beat their opponents, or how often when they have the inside shoulder and jump routes accordingly. I feel this is a lot less the guys and a lot more of how difficult a situation we put them in. Add in the inability to stop the run, and you have the mess we fielded prone to big plays on any given down.

Stanford Routt, Jeremy Ware, Walter McFadden, and Chris Johnson currently comprise our cbs, and I expect a deal to be done with Nnamdi, regardless of how impossible it seems or how Michael Lombardi wishes on us whenever possible. We need him here, or take steps back, and not even Patrick Peterson would change that for us, and no scenario you give me would be a believable one that made him a possiblity here. I'm not even sure we'll draft a cb if and when Nnamdi and the rest are locked in. I'd like at least one other tall and adept man cover guy for depth, and I believe we can become the defensive bully again, but the coaching will be key to get synched with the pass rush.

Linebackers:

On the strong side we have Quentin Groves, Thomas Howard, and Bruce Davis. In the middle, Rolando McClain, Ricky Brown, and Travis Goethel are under contract. On the weak side, Kamerion Wimbley and Sam Williams, and Trevor Scott should return. This is where we need the most help. I'm expecting a lot from Greg Biekert, and he has big shoes to fill, as what we have at the position as a result of last years attempt to get bigger and more stout against the run has resulted in Groves, who is mediocre at best in stopping the run and worse in coverage most of the time, with occasional flashes of ability to run with slower TEs, but never with backs, and Wimbley, who excels in rushing the passer, and has offered little help in stopping the run as well, and is equally a liability in coverage most of the time. Rolando played well, and will grow into the position, but struggled with becoming the captain we need him to be. Greg Biekert will show him what he needs to know to be the policeman at his position, and minimize his mistakes, therein increasing his playing speed and minimizing his read and react time. Goethel shows a natural ability to be a mini-Greg, and I'm all for entertaining the idea of moving him outside to get his talents on the field where  needed. Don't be surprised to see a significant shake up of personnel at lb, including some mix ups of fronts allowing us to get extra backers and safeties on the field in some of Chuck B's big nickel fronts, and some 3-2-6 dime packages when the situation calls for it. Bigplay10--nfl_medium_540_360_medium

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Rolando is the sole starter amongst our backers that plays the complete position. He's not the best cover guy, but the Mike backer should almost never be chasing down guys and covering man to man, and with a little help, we can get the right guys to assume this role a little more often than not, with Waufle, Biekert, and Woodson getting their heads together, and changing the position from weakness to strength. I believe Woodson's impact here in getting the front four synchronized with the defensive backfield will do wonders for the linebackers as well, and can't think of a better guy than Biekert to enforce gap discipline and minimize mistakes and biting on play actions, fakes, and misdirects. Wimbley creates an interesting quandary because he can be a dominant pass rushing force, but is he truly a Will backer, or a rush end? And Sam William's needs to step aside and make room for a new face. I'd love to get a disciplined guy like Mark Herzlich or Ross Homan, who could provide immediate competition at the outside spots, where we need serious help. I have expressed wanting to get Howard in the rotation covering, but he has been too exposed for inability to shed blocks and, well, they'll just run on us if we sub in Thomas when it looks like a passing situation. He provides nice depth, however, and could figure to get an increased role in the defense under the new coaching regime.

To say the least, linebacker is a position where upgrade is a definite must-happen.

Defensive Line:

If we bullied anyone around last season, it was almost entirely due to the play of this crew.

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Our second overall pick in Lamarr Houston was a fine addition to Matt Shaugnessy at end, and Jarvis Moss was a decent acquisition during the season. Remember the arguments we had over Seymour, not just about his abilities, but whether or not he'd play tackle or end in our defense?

At the tackle position, Mr. Richard Seymour, Desmond Bryant, John Henderson, and Tommy Kelly round out the bunch. Tommy Kelly really surprised us last year, as did Richard Seymour considering the amount of folks who questioned his abilities this time last year. These guys also helped out significantly in the run game, but when we were beaten in the trenches on defense, we were getting gashed for 200 plus yards by the teams doing it, so they can do a little better as well. I expect gelling another season under Waufle will do them well, and the addition of some great coaches with some great chemistry and history can't hurt one bit. Look for Hue to put a stamp on this defense in creating the bully on the defensive side to accompany our offense.

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While this was the most impressive unit of the defense, in looking at the depth chart as is, the ends look a little thin. I didn't expect us to go defensive line in the draft or free agency, but won't be surprised if the staff finds us lacking someone there, and we make a move. As previously expressed, I don't think moving Wimbley and Scott to end and getting backers is at all a bad idea, and the two could work nicely into a rotation as well.

To truly be called a bully, this defense will have to put its days of being weak against the run behind it, and that will take fewer mistakes across the board, but mostly in the defensive middle, as we have tossed around liberally in discussion here. It is also my belief that many of the games we had leads entering the fourth quarter last year were 100% winnable games by the teams we fielded those days, so as a result, there are high hopes for the new staff to do what needs to be done to never again lose games we should win.

We are close, but being a defensive guy, and reminiscent of the stifling defenses once characteristic of Raider great teams of the past, I expect a fierce defensive identity, and the ability to completely shut down even the most prolific of offenses at our best. Questions definitely remain, but the potential to be that team is definitely there, but the linebackers must become the backbone, and the three teams must learn to become one, despite the systems we play in.


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Is a defensive bully, like the teams that featured the Assassin, or Hendricks and Martin, or Millen or Villapiano, Hayes/Haynes in the cards for 2011? Are you ready to watch Raider football like then, when you begged a receiver to go over the middle, and for a quarterback to sling one at said receiver?

I know I am.

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What position upgrade makes a bully out of our defense, if any?
Defensive backs. With or without Nnamdi, we need help in coverage, both at safety and corner.
156 votes
Linebackers. It's the root of the run weakness, and largely the reason we struggle covering TEs, and backfield receivers.
323 votes
Defensive line. Another stud on this line, and look out league. The whole D gets better.
84 votes
other. as in, multiple, or none at all. please specify if you choose this one!
17 votes

580 votes | Poll has closed

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Linebacker play

Milktoast defensive coaching of the linebacker position coupled with lack of proper attitude.
 The ’backers seemed lost at times all season—-they did pick it up some toward the end of the season, however. I wonder if Oakland might need to find a killer for the weak side in free agency….

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by spec on Mar 9, 2011 7:53 PM PST reply actions  

A sure Tackling Mike LB, and a maniac at the weak, maybe the Key !!

Sideline to sidline coverage, who can shed blocks at anytime, and create fumbles coming from the side !!! Be it Wimbley, Morrison, or Howard, who IMO has the speed to do these things, but just hasn’t showed the Attitude needed. Find this missing piece, and the run defense improves drastically !!!

by papabegood on Mar 9, 2011 7:56 PM PST reply actions  

Huh?

You’re benching McClain and re-signing Morrison?

"When we play tough, and we play physical, and when we play the way we're supposed to play, can't nobody beat us." - Richard "SeaMonster" Seymour

by LiveAdam on Mar 9, 2011 8:58 PM PST up reply actions  

My Bad, Adam !!!

Mike means middle, make that SLB !!! Morrison could play the strong, Howard the weak, Mac in the middle !!! Gothel backing up Morrison if he returns !!! Sam Williams scholarship should be done, making room for a rookie prospect !!!

by papabegood on Mar 10, 2011 3:03 AM PST up reply actions  

Gotcha

Unfortunately I don’t think what you’re envisioning would work out quite the way you’d want. Morrison and Howard were removed from the starting LB rotation for a reason, so I’m not sure they are the upgrade we’re looking for.

I always liked Kirk, I’ve met him before and he’s a terrific guy, and I always thought he’d be better suited at SLB, but even here in Jax he played MLB and racked up 89 tackles, so who knows.

Anyway, we’re in agreement that both OLB positions are in need of upgrade.

"When we play tough, and we play physical, and when we play the way we're supposed to play, can't nobody beat us." - Richard "SeaMonster" Seymour

by LiveAdam on Mar 10, 2011 8:47 AM PST up reply actions  

Before the Trading Of Morrison, Adam

I thought the Starting LB’s would’ve been Morrison SLB, McClain MLB, and Howard WLB. With Morrison still in the fold, McClain wouldn’t had to have the added pressure of calling defenses, and could concentrate on just making plays !!! Now once he got comfortable, and showed he could handle it, then turn the reigns over to him. In spite of bring a rook, he made good calls anyway. I think you get my drift !!!

by papabegood on Mar 10, 2011 9:52 PM PST up reply actions  

If not for Jacoby (who we got with the Morrison 4th round pick), I'd be content with a HO - RO - MO 2nd Line

But, that’s hindsight. Jacksonville would never take back Groves in return for Morrison without something else. Groves was a DE converted to LB so maybe he could go back to DE if Waufle likes him.

S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
"I did the (2010) draft. ... I made a trade for Seymour. Gave up the first-rounder this year. I could tell you why. You may not think it was a good trade. I thought it was a great trade. Still do. [Al Davis 1/1911]

by Sons-of-Blanda on Mar 11, 2011 2:50 AM PST up reply actions  

We're going to have a lot of DE options

Especially if we keep Jarvis Moss and pick up Vernon Gholston like everyone thinks we will (snicker). Oh Brian Orakpo, if only Al Davis had listened to me.

"When we play tough, and we play physical, and when we play the way we're supposed to play, can't nobody beat us." - Richard "SeaMonster" Seymour

by LiveAdam on Mar 11, 2011 2:04 PM PST up reply actions  

isnt he a 3-4 OLB now???

Orakpo I mean?

I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP

formerly patriotguy2 ;)

by Jack'sAxe on Mar 11, 2011 5:34 PM PST up reply actions  

Only because Mike Shanahan is too set in his ways

Orakpo played the “Elephant” position when the Redskins were in their 4-3, where he plays SLB in base formations and DE in specialty packages. It’s the same position Wimbley plays for us now. Now imagine having both Wimbley and Orakpo on the field at the same time. Coverage might take a little hit, but if they both blitz it wouldn’t matter :).

"When we play tough, and we play physical, and when we play the way we're supposed to play, can't nobody beat us." - Richard "SeaMonster" Seymour

by LiveAdam on Mar 17, 2011 10:01 AM PDT up reply actions  

Im going secondary here

After the O-line, I feel the secondary needs more talent. If Mr.21 leaves, we are iffy out there. I seriously believe we can get a good free agent LB like Cooper from the Dolts or who ever gets the ax in the next coming months.Heck,I wouldnt even mind if we picked up DT Tommy Harris and slid someone else from the line back there.

by LaRaider on Mar 9, 2011 8:45 PM PST reply actions  

I think signing Routt means we will keep Nnamdi too

That Al knows we need big, rangy and fast corners. A kid or two in the draft if available to us could give Ware and McFadden a push for a spot as well. Al loves his corners and d backs.

Sands played some corner too.

"The only yardstick for success our society has is being a champion. No one remembers anything else."--John Madden

""The massive Raider Nation is beyond doubt the sleaziest and rudest and most sinister mob of thugs and wackos ever assembled."--Hunter S. Thompson

by brhynno on Mar 9, 2011 9:48 PM PST up reply actions  

I personally think Sands will become a cornerback in the NFL.

And a hell of one at that.

No one likes us,
No one likes us,
We're the Raiders and we don't care...

"Darth Vader is a punk compared to Al Davis." - Hunter S Thompson

by Screwfish on Mar 10, 2011 3:00 AM PST up reply actions  

Upgrade at LB would do amazing things for this defense

McClain is entrenched at MLB, and even though Wimbley got the franchise tag almost all of his production came in nickel packages where he was playing DE. If the Raiders were able to upgrade the OLB spots we could improve our run defense, and we already know how good our pass defense can be.

Even if Aso leaves the defensive line’s play can make Routt and Johnson look amazing. Just look at what the NY Giants did with amazing DL play and average DB play in 2007, and our defensive line is nearly as good.

As for the DL itself, I think there’s enough depth there. We just need another performance out of them like we got last year.

"When we play tough, and we play physical, and when we play the way we're supposed to play, can't nobody beat us." - Richard "SeaMonster" Seymour

by LiveAdam on Mar 9, 2011 8:58 PM PST reply actions  

The Brown signing yesterday took my optimism down a notch or two; indicated complacency.

Perhaps if Ro stays healthy we’ll never have to see Ricky Brown at MLB. I’m starting to think Al will cut Groves, who has only showed himself fit for STs. My hope is that Goethel will assume the strong-side LB – line up opposite the TE’s outside shoulder and not let anything carrying pigskin get past him. The Cleveland fans weighed in and warned us about Wimbley’s ineffectiveness against the rush and I believe them now. Although Kam proved himself to be an elite pass-rusher, unless he becomes a complete OLB, I’m uncomfortable with him. Bottom Line: Yes, we need more help in the 2nd Row and “yes” it is the main cause we ranked 29th vs. the rush in 2010. Do Al & Hue think that too? Not sure; but signing Ricky Brown indicates they don’t believe the LB personnel was the problem. If Groves gets signed (heaven forbid) then Saint’s theory that Al believe he had the talent in 2010 to go all the way certainly holds water. I only pray I hear the name of Casey Matthews or Mark Herzlich’s when Goodhel announces one of Oakland’s choices.
Solid post, Brhynno.

S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
"I did the (2010) draft. ... I made a trade for Seymour. Gave up the first-rounder this year. I could tell you why. You may not think it was a good trade. I thought it was a great trade. Still do. [Al Davis 1/1911]

by Sons-of-Blanda on Mar 9, 2011 9:15 PM PST reply actions  

But, for those ineffectiveness against the run,

His sacks helped us out a whole lot. So I’m fine with him at OLB; Him and Shaugnessy at the right side is fine by me. Now, We get a real run stuffer at the weak side, what it allows us to do is to shade the line toward the right side, so that Kelly and Shaugnessy can shade better.

What I see is Houston playing DT for passing situations, and Scott and Shaugnessy being the DEs. The problem is, They are pass-Rushing DEs. We do not have run-stuffing DEs.

In conclusion, if we really want to stop the run, the base defense HAS to be the one where Mike Mitchell is also in with Branch..the “Big Nickel” I think. I love Mike Mitchell’s ability. because if we get that run stuffing LB for sure…won’t they just run on Wimbley’s side?

In WHOEVER GIVES US THE WIN We Trust

by NFLanalyzerfromhome on Mar 9, 2011 9:31 PM PST up reply actions  

Of course they'll run where we're weak; just like they always throw opposite Nnamdi. We need Ted Hendricks is what we need

and on the other side Lawrence Taylor but since that’s not possible, I’ll settle for Herzlich or Casey Matthews and Goethel.

S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
"I did the (2010) draft. ... I made a trade for Seymour. Gave up the first-rounder this year. I could tell you why. You may not think it was a good trade. I thought it was a great trade. Still do. [Al Davis 1/1911]

by Sons-of-Blanda on Mar 9, 2011 9:39 PM PST up reply actions  

+1

matthews, mcclain, goethel…… yeah id be okay with that

by frank7da2tank on Mar 10, 2011 12:26 AM PST up reply actions  

I like Herzlich,

and he’s dropping in the draft. if we drafted him for the weakside I’d be happy.

JUST DOMINATE BABY !!!

by rambis64 on Mar 10, 2011 8:09 AM PST up reply actions  

right up until you realize he can’t cover TEs in the NFL and you start screaming at him.

"When we play tough, and we play physical, and when we play the way we're supposed to play, can't nobody beat us." - Richard "SeaMonster" Seymour

by LiveAdam on Mar 10, 2011 8:50 AM PST up reply actions  

Herzlich can cover TEs.

He has been known to be very good in coverage in BC.

in 2008, he had 8 pass breakups, and 6 INTS. 09 missed the entire season due to a rare form of bone cancer (which he overcame). And in 2010, he had 4 INTs and 4 Pass breakups.

He’s what made BCs defense amazing.

I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP

formerly patriotguy2 ;)

by Jack'sAxe on Mar 10, 2011 10:18 AM PST up reply actions  

This year, in his showcase debut, he flopped in coverage

So expect to hear this knock on him frequently.

I expect solid coaching and ten other pros on the field makes him better than any of our existing lbs in many ways, and worth a fourth rounder for sure.

"The only yardstick for success our society has is being a champion. No one remembers anything else."--John Madden

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by brhynno on Mar 10, 2011 11:51 AM PST up reply actions  

The senior bowl

But it’s one game, and without the benefit of his own teammates.

"The only yardstick for success our society has is being a champion. No one remembers anything else."--John Madden

""The massive Raider Nation is beyond doubt the sleaziest and rudest and most sinister mob of thugs and wackos ever assembled."--Hunter S. Thompson

by brhynno on Mar 10, 2011 11:54 AM PST up reply actions  

I would add

to come back from cancer to playing that level of football shows alot of grit and toughness, both things that can make a linebacker great.

by the red guy on Mar 11, 2011 10:52 AM PST up reply actions  

he should be a lot healthier now as well.

I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP

formerly patriotguy2 ;)

by Jack'sAxe on Mar 11, 2011 1:50 PM PST up reply actions  

Doctors will look hard at his leg

I’m for taking him as a value pick, and think his discipline with this unit under Biekert would be a fine addition, and a low risk pick as well. Better than Norris ever worked out almost guaranteed, but the titanium rod will be prodded and poked intensively.

"The only yardstick for success our society has is being a champion. No one remembers anything else."--John Madden

""The massive Raider Nation is beyond doubt the sleaziest and rudest and most sinister mob of thugs and wackos ever assembled."--Hunter S. Thompson

by brhynno on Mar 11, 2011 2:04 PM PST up reply actions  

Kam is a DE and the sooner the Raiders admit it

to themselves the better off the defense will be. Bring back Morrison and let him play will.

JUST DOMINATE BABY !!!

by rambis64 on Mar 10, 2011 8:07 AM PST up reply actions  

It would be nice if Nnamdi sticks around but the money he wants he does not deserve. He was the 3rd best CB in the league to me behind Revis (he doesn’t just play one side of the field) and Charles Woodson (same as Revis but an excellent blitzer). If he leaves, that means the other teams offense can’t game plan for one side of the field but take their chances to see which is the weak CB. Michael Huff should have been told to pack up once the team got back from KC. He is late in pass coverages and get ran over or pass by the other team’s RB too often. If you look at his whole career while pla)ing for us, there is just not enough good plays than bad.

by Archangel25 on Mar 9, 2011 9:39 PM PST via mobile reply actions  

Careful with bringing back the nasty

Art Shell used that term and it didn’t work out so well.

by Al's Wingman on Mar 9, 2011 10:17 PM PST reply actions  

Is it time to cut Bey yet?

He’s getting payed way too much to not do a thing. I know he’s improving but still at least redo his contract.

by raiderfan21 on Mar 10, 2011 2:56 PM PST reply actions  

Ok we have hammered

the shit out of this one. So I will review it for you. He is still owed a big chunk of guaranteed money and if you watched the crypt keepers press conference about Cable you would have heard Al give him the big vote of confidence and is not giving up on him. There you go.

Who gives a shit, who gives a fuck?

by TheLyleAlzadoPunch on Mar 11, 2011 8:00 AM PST up reply actions  

My 2 cents on the D

D is the key to the Raiders 2011 season. Way too many question marks here to think of this as a team strength. Because I had no choice, I voted LB is the place the Raiders need to upgrade the most. I voted LB because all great defenses have a star on each level. All great Raiders D’s for sure have been that way: Howie and lyle with Millen, Hendricks, Lester and Haynes. All 3 levels had stars. Again when the Raiders went in 2002 they had a good D line with Parella, Adams and Armstrong paired with Romo and in the middle level and the Woodson’s manning level 3. Defenses need stars at all 3 levels. Having said that:

Raiders D line is beginning to blossom into something great, and may have a few stars. Seymour is a star and Kelley had a great year under Mikes coaching, as did Shanny and Houston is going to be a great player as he gains some more experience. Lots of depth here too to rotate in and out. I didn’t vote secondary because the Raiders have a star there (assuming they are able to keep Nnamdi)… If Nnamdi leaves, then secondary will be the weakest spot. LB is where the Raiders lack that Star power. Rolo is upcoming, no doubt, but doesn’t have that star rating yet. His emergence did assist the Raiders D from the high 20 to low 30s in rank, up to the top 15 though. The outsides are weak and need to be shored up as way too many outside runs (J’ville and Indy come to mind as do Tennessee and Houston) killed the Raiders last year.

BUT, here is why I say I voted LB due to being forced in to it. I truly believe that if the Raiders D will become dominant, it will be by subtraction rather than addition. The Raiders need to subtract Al Davis from this equation. His pride and sheer determination to prove something to the NFL by keeping his man-to-man vanilla philosophy is what is holding this team back from reaching the next level. Without stars at nearly every position, this style of D is the problem. After all, lets summarize Al’s philosophy: “we will line up across from you and my guys will beat your guys”… Well that may have worked in the 80’s, but not anymore. Now it is about good game planning, and a well rehearsed modern scheme . The fact that we are even talking about what position the Raiders need to improve, tells you right there that the Raiders philosophy is a key problem. That means they DON’T have guys in place that can consistently beat the guy across from them. So while Al is trying to prove his D philosophy to the NFL, he is succeeding. He is proving year in and year out that he is wrong, but is too damned stubborn to see it. There is a reason the Raiders have the worst win percentage over the past 6 years, and the D is the key. When your corners have their backs to the play, they cannot react to the run as quickly, and thusly the D will often give up large run plays (Tennessee, Jacksonville, Houston, SF, Miami all had big runs, and the Raiders lost all those games). That is a fundamental problem with the scheme more than a problem with the players. Sure Huff dove and missed on many of those plays, but why was he in that position so many times? The Raiders have a good line!

If they switched more between zone and man, blitzed with more frequency, I believe that good players can make a great defense. Need proof? Look at the NE cheaters. The have a slew of mid grade players and each year their D is good. Why? The system. Philly and Pitt year in and year out have a good D. do they have the best corners? No. Do they have the best LBs, or D line? Nope… But they are always in the top 10 in D. SYSTEM is the key to the Raiders D, and the Raiders D is the key to their success.

Thats my 2 cents

by TD Rader on Mar 10, 2011 4:22 PM PST reply actions  

Moot point. Just accept Al is a given because it's the truth.

S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
"I did the (2010) draft. ... I made a trade for Seymour. Gave up the first-rounder this year. I could tell you why. You may not think it was a good trade. I thought it was a great trade. Still do. [Al Davis 1/1911]

by Sons-of-Blanda on Mar 10, 2011 4:57 PM PST up reply actions  

I have been on the end of believing Al has stifled us with scheme, and also where I felt it will always continue

I don’t so much anymore. I believe while it’s no secret Al’s stamp for how he likes things done remains with his presence, I also feel the influx of great coaches who believe they can succeed in this system will do just that. In a recent article on NFL.com about Rob Ryan’s going to Dallas, Pat Kirwan notes that Ryan had to learn to adjust his own system to work within Al’s parameters, and has become a better coach because of it.

I also feel that Al has been forced to relinquish much of the stranglehold he’s had at times due to physical limits, and it’s why he continues to fill the building with hall of famers and guys who worked here, and have a familiarity with the organization and what to expect. I don’t think those guys come in halfheartedly and believe for a second they can’t be completely successful in what they plan to do.

Bottom line is, we had some decent success this year without changing scheme tremendously, though the mentality went completely vanilla on both sides of the ball at the completely wrong times, and remaining aggressive with pressure packages that put us in position to win should have been mandatory, while it was the exception, and we nearly lost some of the games we won.

I’m going to expect the best until I see otherwise with this new coaching regime, as there is clearly a very, very solid foundation on which to build.

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by brhynno on Mar 10, 2011 6:32 PM PST up reply actions  

You are right.

The only reason we had a good defense in the 2000’s is because of our offense. We scored so fasted that teams had to play catch up. Man to man will not win a superbowl today unless you have a fast scoring offense that jumps out 21 points. Our offense isn’t on that level not even close. Al proves every time he hires theses old washed DC that he runs the defense. We can have 4 Nnamdi’s in the secondary and man to man still won’t work. Until AL hires a real DC who can game plan we won’’t win a superbowl. We have the talent but he refuses to hire the right DC

by Micheal Y on Mar 11, 2011 5:24 AM PST up reply actions  

what a great post

I agree, although i voted for dbs.

everything everyone is saying is right on the button.

if we had a better scheme our payroll would be smaller because we wouldn’t have to be getting such high quality athletes to play man. But I’m sure Hue Jackson realizes that.
but on the other hand, the patriots and philli both have great defensive lines that create pressure and turnovers. I voted for dbs because our dbs failed to take advantage of the pressure the defensive line created, therefore an upgrade was necessary. So i don’t think we should keep huff, he is barely cutting it and we could replace him for cheap. Stevie, Branch, and Mitchel all are about the same with different specialties. Like Branch is fast, Stevie is more aware, and Mitchell hits hard. I think they are stacked at db so they might go safety and outside linebaker. Upgrade groves. then in the later rounds maybe look for a qb or offensive line.

Draft Early: Safety, Outside Linebacker, Offensive Line, Tight End

Draft Late: Quarterback, Offensive Line

however, why else would all these old raiders be coming back in to coach, maybe they feel like the raiders have enough talent to play much better on defense. with better coaching they could really build something great.

by Sbay on Mar 10, 2011 7:00 PM PST reply actions  

I'm expecting intensity like we haven't seen. Sweeping the Division gave all players legitimate confidence in themselves & their team

When looking at how well some games were played and how badly other were, it’s clear that both leadership and morale were consistently missing last season. Al realized that and made immediate adjustments concerning leadership that should also take care of the morale problem, e.g. the Pittsburgh disaster.

S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
"I did the (2010) draft. ... I made a trade for Seymour. Gave up the first-rounder this year. I could tell you why. You may not think it was a good trade. I thought it was a great trade. Still do. [Al Davis 1/1911]

by Sons-of-Blanda on Mar 10, 2011 8:50 PM PST up reply actions  

I think we all cocur with that sentiment, S-O-B !!!

Changes at the top automatically brings changes to the ranks!!! Trickle Down Effect !!! It was noted last year, that Hue brought out a little something extra out of the defense by challenging them from the onset of camp. I can just imagine how it’s going to go this year. It his team to win or lose with, or maybe better yet, to live or die with!!! Hue doesn’t appear to be the suicidal type, and comes in with a definite mindset, for the entire season, whereas Fathead was more concerned with just going on a week to week basis !!! Those letdowns in between the division games shouldn’t occur (say SF, Miami, Houston & the Jaguars) cost Cable his job. I don’t see Hue having letdowns(or meltdowns) in those tpye of games !!!! If Al was right, and I believe he was, if not for certain coaching decisions made, we should’ve(yeah I know, would’ve, could’ve, should’ve) been minimum seen the first round of the playoffs !!!!

by papabegood on Mar 10, 2011 9:41 PM PST reply actions  

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