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KA1Z3R's Oakland Raiders 2011 Draft Version 2.0



It's been a while since I've posted and I must say I regret that. I've been wrapped up in the NBA, my girlfriend, and my Youtube channel. But here I am with my second Raiders mock. I won't drag out too much of an intro so check out my mock after the jump.

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Second Round- Stefen Wisniewski G/C Penn State 6-3 313

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Gallery? Out. Carlisle? Sucks and doesn't fit scheme. Solution? Get a new guard. Whether Wis comes in to play center and Samson Satele gets moved to left guard, or Wis goes to LG, or whatever else. Another interior lineman is needed for all the other pieces to move. I'm of the firm belief that Langston Walker is moving to RG and Campbell is getting put at RT. A line of Veldheer-Wisniewski-Satele-Walker-Campbell would be a very solid unit with a lot of potential.

Evaluating as a center, Wis will struggle early on with bull rushers, but intelligence is a center's most treasured attribute. Wis has plenty of that. Now as a guard, Wis will work less on those big NT's and be able to use his quick feet and intelligence to be a major force as a pulling guard. He'd match up much better on the 4-3 DT's and 3-4 DE's. Stefen could also be a big help to Jared Veldheer from the LG spot.

I believe Wisniewski will start out as a LG and become a future center. He's a better fit at LG right now until he learns to deal with 3-4 NT's and bulks up his lower body. Wis brings a mean-spirited tough lineman to the Raiders line, and that's impossible to teach.

 I find it a little too convenient that one Wis is brought on to the coaching staff while another goes in the draft. Stefen's stock is falling to where many think he could go in the fourth or even later. I think Al sees the potential and the promise of Wisniewski and takes him in the second. He'll be criticized for a reach for a while, but be called a genius when Wis is still a good starter ten years from now.

Secondary Pick: Marcus Cannon RT/RG TCU

 

Third Round- Robert Sands S West Virginia 6-4 217

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Michael Huff looks to be on the way out and the Raiders need a safety anyway. Huff didn't start to play good until late in the year and Tyvon Branch is far from a sure thing. I get the feeling Mike Mitchell might not pan out for a while and Stevie Brown is still a question mark. The Raiders need a safety to really solidify themselves around. Robert Sands can play the scheme and play it well.

Sands is fast, takes great angles on the run, and is arguably the best tackler in the draft. He excels at the single high zone scheme that the Raiders will ask him to play. Even if the receiver gets the catch, Sands has tendency to pop the ball loose. As a native West Virginian myself, I have seen a lot of Robert Sands. At worst he's a good starter for a decade, at best he's a superstar.

I don't believe his stock is that of a fourth round pick that many put him at. Sands is arguably the best safety in the class. Luckily for Oakland, safety isn't a huge need for many teams in the league.

Secondary Pick- Deunta Williams S UNC

 

Fourth Round- Mark Herzlich OLB Boston College 6-4 244

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It's well-known that I love Mark Herzlich. It's well known that Quentin Groves is not a good OLB. It's well known that the Raiders seem to want bigger, stronger backers over faster ones. So what's not well known?

Herzlich is a perfect fit for the Raiders. The theme of last year's draft was immediate impact guy who were high-risk high-reward. The Raiders have their playmakers, now they need those guys that the team can revolve around and solidify themselves around for a decade.

Is this guy's stock only falling because of his previous cancer and lack of Dontay Moch speed? Intelligence, physicality, and great lateral movement are more important in the NFL for a linebacker than raw speed. Herzlich can come in and start immediately and be a good player for a lot of years. His ability to take angles and shed blocks make him the guy Oakland needs to contain those edge runs and cut into the backfield to get a couple tackles for loss. Oh and that cancer issue from before? He did beat cancer and had a great season for BC's 2nd ranked rush defense.

I hate that this guy is getting so heavily dissed, but I love it because it could let him fall right into the lap of the Oakland Raiders. Herzlich is the raw physical animal that Davis loves to see. If Davis is really trying to build an old-school Raiders bully, why not draft the meanest linebacker in the draft? And in the fourth round, the minor risk is worth the insanely high reward.

Secondary pick- Ross Homan OLB Ohio State

 

Fifth Round- Henry Hynoski FB Pittsburgh 6-0 257

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If the Raiders are really serious about being a mean, physical, aggressive, power running team, they need a big mean lead blocker. Hynoski is the best lead blocker in the draft bar none. He's got so much raw power and can simply manhandle linebackers. He also brings to the table some great pass blocking as well.

I know many are saying, why not just get some undrafted blocker? Because I highly doubt we pull another Marcel Reece out of a hat. Hynoski has the potential to be one of the elite fullbacks in the league. Having Reece, the most dangerous weapon of a fullback, and Hynoski, one of the best blocking fullbacks, would make this offense very dangerous and very deep.

Now some will say, well if Hynoski comes out there then the defense knows it's gonna be a run. Well first off, they'll always think it's a run. We're not a passing team and probably won't be as long as we keep running like this and keep getting junk at receiver. So may as well have the best blocker you can for that defense. Secondly, Hynoski is actually a pretty good receiver. Now he won't make any huge gains like Reece, but he's got very good hands, and his size matched up against some corner on the outside is a major mismatch. Hynoski is also a great red zone and short distance runner.

Hynoski can come in and be a solid force early on, and could be a major boost for both the running and passing game.

Secondary Pick- Cornerback or developmental wide receiver

Sixth round- Lee Smith TE Marshall 6-5 266

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Massive, strong, and a tall sure-handed red zone target, Lee Smith is just what Oakland needs. Arguably the best blocking tight end in the draft, Lee Smith can come in to block and allow Zach Miller to finally be free to show off his dominating receiving ability. While Khalif Barnes was also a good blocking option and should some ironically good hands for a touchdown, Barnes isn't fast enough or consistent enough to play blocking tight end.

Lee Smith isn't going to look like Zach Miller out there as a receiver, but he's got sure hands and a lot of power behind him. He can fight for those tough balls and power forward like a poor man's Brandon Jacobs. A reliable third and short option, he's just the kind of guy Oakland needs to extend some crucial drives. As is the theme for the draft so far, Smith is a guy who can come in and be a solid contributor for a decade. Pairing him with Miller and Myers gives the Raiders one of the best TE rotations in the NFL.

Secondary Pick- Developmental receiver or defensive back

Seventh Round- Taylor Potts QB Texas Tech 6-5 220

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No Colin Kaepernick (spelling probably wrong), but more of a sure-thing of a developmental quarterback and much later. Why the draft stock of Taylor Potts is so low is beyond me. Other than coming from a spread system, Potts is a very accurate quarterback with good form and a quick release. He's mobile enough that he can extend plays, but he won't make many running the ball.

Jason Campbell seems like the way the Raiders are gonna go at quarterback for at least the next couple years, which is just fine by me (as I've expressed here many times over). Potts could be a very good quarterback in a couple years with some good coaching. Once he understands the pro style and learns about NFL football, he can start to show off those key skills that separate the elite from the weak in the NFL. Accuracy, intelligence, footwork, quick release.

Potts goes from Red Raiders QB, to Oakland Raiders quarterback of the future.

Secondary Pick- Nathan Enderle QB Idaho or developmental player

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no to Wiz unless he is the only option, and even then we could trade back and still pick him up.Too early to draft Sands,Too early to draft Herzlich.FB is not a need, i would like to keep Reece on the field as much as possible, Bruce Campbell could be our short yardage blocking FB. This is just my opinion though

by RyanTheRaider on Apr 16, 2011 5:11 PM PDT reply actions  

Sands will go in the bottom of the 3rd or top of the 4th - I'd hate to miss out on him. Herzlich is 5th - 6th but very undervalued

I like Wiesniewski but prefer Marcus Cannon.

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"I did the (2010) draft. ... I made a trade for Seymour. Gave up the first-rounder this year. I could tell you why. You may not think it was a good trade. I thought it was a great trade. Still do. [Al Davis 1/1911]

by Sons-of-Blanda on Apr 16, 2011 5:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

+1

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by Kwester421 on Apr 18, 2011 1:01 AM PDT up reply actions  

FB is a need when we don’t have a good lead blocker for a power running scheme. Running the ball is the only way we make playoffs this year and we have to do it very well. I’m talking like top-3 rushing offense if we want to seriously contend in the playoffs. We have to do it much more consistently against non-division opponents and to do that we definitely need a better blocking fullback.

I don’t actually think Sands, Wis, or Herz are dropping too far on teams’ big boards. All three are very talented with high ceilings and little real risk. All three are solid starters at worst and potential All-Pros at best.

Also, pretty sure we’ll see Campbell starting at RT. He fits the scheme very well, and Al Davis was mad he didn’t play much last year.

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by KA1Z3R on Apr 17, 2011 7:13 AM PDT up reply actions  

we had the #2 rushing offense with Reece at FB

by RyanTheRaider on Apr 17, 2011 9:14 AM PDT up reply actions  

we'll be having a depleted line(after everyone leaves)

so a bigger, better FB my be needed.

I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP

by Jack'sAxe on Apr 17, 2011 9:58 AM PDT up reply actions  

numbers inflated versus divisional opponents. Numbers outside of division and versus actually good run defenses were nowhere near what the Raiders needs to not only make playoffs, but compete in them.

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by KA1Z3R on Apr 17, 2011 11:33 AM PDT up reply actions  

If we go FB

I’d love Owen Marecic out of Stanford. Blocking FB, special teams beast, OK in the passing game and can cover at LB.

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by Screwfish on Apr 17, 2011 9:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

MARICIC IS OURS!!!!!

"I have not failed. I've just found 10,000 ways that don't work." - Thomas Edison

"I may be an idiot, but one thing I'm not sir, is an idiot." - Peter Griffin

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by mikeinsp on Apr 23, 2011 1:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'll always spell his name wrong.

Marecic is ours!!

"I have not failed. I've just found 10,000 ways that don't work." - Thomas Edison

"I may be an idiot, but one thing I'm not sir, is an idiot." - Peter Griffin

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by mikeinsp on Apr 23, 2011 1:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

I like it! ... almost as much as my own

OL check
FS check
OLB check
Possession WR? No. I stand firm with Rob Housler who will convert from TE. He’s blazing fast, plenty strong, fearless and has soft hands. Oakland lacks a large WR target and has already brought in Housler for a workout. I expect he’ll be taken in the 5th where you have a powerful FB. I’m for keeping Reece on the field and coming up with another solution to those instances where a lead is crucial.
Graded this Draft: A

S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
"I did the (2010) draft. ... I made a trade for Seymour. Gave up the first-rounder this year. I could tell you why. You may not think it was a good trade. I thought it was a great trade. Still do. [Al Davis 1/1911]

by Sons-of-Blanda on Apr 16, 2011 5:12 PM PDT reply actions  

Ditto That Grade, Good Job, KA1Z3R !!!!

I too like the mock. I feel like you, that you got the right people in the right spots !!! Sands and Herzlich are moving up, not down in the draft. If both your first two choices are gone, I say we take the 2 safeties, Sands and the other kid we’ve all been taking about, and use your mock as a guide for the rest of th draft. I’ve already stated on the conditions of our safeties, so I won’t go into that, But those 2, even being rookies, IMO upgrades the safety position greatly !!!! I still got to believe theres a starting OG, and maybe an OT in free agency out there for us, since finding the starting quality, will be long gone before our first pick !!!!

by papabegood on Apr 16, 2011 6:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

Housler would be a dream pick. I just can’t see him lasting. A dangerous receiving option like that from the TE spot is a very hot item in the NFL and many teams lack it. The Patriots went so far as to draft three TE’s last year to get one.

I think Lee Smith, with his raw power, size, and sure hands, could be a move the chains kind of guy underneath. Definitely not a possession WR which I agree is a huge need, but he is a good guy to go to on those third and five type situations, his blocking would free up Miller for those same type of plays, and gives us much better overall depth at TE.

Definitely need a possession wideout, just can’t see Davis drafting one while he has so many receivers he’s waiting on to develop.

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by KA1Z3R on Apr 17, 2011 7:19 AM PDT up reply actions  

the pats drafted 2 TEs.

One a receiving, dallas clark TE(Hernandez), and one TE thats in the mold of jason witten(Rob Gronkowski, who also WAS a first rounder before a back injury). We got Crumpler in FA.

I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP

by Jack'sAxe on Apr 17, 2011 9:59 AM PDT up reply actions  

I knew they added three tight ends, thought they were from the draft. Whoops :P

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by KA1Z3R on Apr 17, 2011 11:33 AM PDT up reply actions  

The FB and Sands over Jarrett made this a C to me

I see Jarrett as a perfect fit and drafting 2 safeties “papabegood” is a big NO NO with the defense we run, it took Huff, the THORPE AWARD WINNER 4 years to be DECENT/ABOVE AVERAGE. We take one, if Jarrett and Sands are on the board, Jarrett by far, he has much smoother hips, good speed, can move up and play corner when needed and I think he’s a harder hitter than Sands and a better tackler, maybe the best tackler in the draft at S and he played Single High at Temple, but if Jarrett is gone I would not shed a tear if Sands is our pick, I would love him because quite honestly I would take Jarrett and Sands over Rahim Moore any day of the week!! And Sands is falling because at the combine his hips looked maybe the worst of any DB out there, and with how we love to play our Man to Man and sometimes match safeties with WR, BAD NEWS! I say take one and let mike mitchell play! im ecstatic about how he played last year when he got the chance, WATCH THE FILM! also you forgot our 2nd 7th rounder, also IDC WHAT ANYONE SAYS! I LOVE THE WIZ PICK AND I WANT HIM! Im iffy on Herzlich because of the film Ive watched he looks like a white less athletic Kam Wimbley but wouldnt be mad at the choice, would also bring ALOT OF PR to us which we could use. and in 5th im going to say it day in and day out I WANT MARTIN PARKER! I feel he’s gonna be the biggest DT steal in 15 years! 96 tackles and 6 sacks as a senior! MVP of the east west game, and is said to be PRO READY AND “SLIPPERY” to any lineman who tries to guard him, and you know we love ourselves some QB sacks out here, he can take over for kelly or seymour in 2-3 years.! other than that, pretty good.

by NATIONSGREATEST on Apr 16, 2011 8:51 PM PDT reply actions  

Herzlich is a monster. He led BC as the top 5 defense in the nation.

he is not as fast as wimbley, but he is stronger, smarter, can cover very well, and he can pass rush using his strength and some quick feet.

And I do agree that Jarret>Sands

I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP

by Jack'sAxe on Apr 16, 2011 10:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

Herz is a much better player than Groves, but still gives us options with some 3-4 and is still a good pass rusher himself.

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by KA1Z3R on Apr 17, 2011 7:20 AM PDT up reply actions  

I agree with you about Jarrett being better than Sands. However, I think Jarrett will be taken in the second. As for Sands, I think he’ll do fine with man coverage. Might struggle some at first, but we do have some pretty good DB coaching. I’m sure Rod Woodson would love to tutor a raw safety like Robert Sands. The scheme will still primarily ask of him to play single high zone and that’s something few safeties can do through a whole game. However, Sands has done it throughout a lot of his college career, and did it very well.

Herzlich has great lateral quickness and takes amazing angles. I honestly don’t think there’s any linebacker in the draft who can take as great of angles, or read the plays as well as Mark Herzlich. An intelligent linebacker who is strong and takes great angles is always better than some quick athlete.

Martin Parker I think might not be there in the fifth. He seems like a sleeper that some team is going to reach very early on. Perhaps even in the third.

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by KA1Z3R on Apr 17, 2011 6:50 AM PDT up reply actions  

Your Take on Sands comes Strictly From the Combine ?????

You might want to take a look at some tape on him, if that’s your only perception !!!! I say take both of them, reason: Both played the high safety, and played it well, both are MONSTER hitters, Both can play all four DB spots, and both can play UP CLOSE and personal man to man, if you get my drift. Now mind u Greatest, this line of thinking comes from the from, If all the players we hope will be at the 48th pick, ARE GONE !!!!! CANNON, WIZ, and Colin are the only one the majority of us feel we got a chance with this pick, and that’s a BIG Hope & a Prayer, that they are !!! BARRING some Surprise picks by another team, WE KNOW these players will be there, and why play roulette, when we don’t have too. Fill our needs, even if means moving players up one spot in the draft, we know will be there at that time and take them. I don’t know about you, but if we get all need players, that can contribute immeadiately, I’m one happy RAIDER4LYFE camper !!!!

by papabegood on Apr 18, 2011 4:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

carry 6

safties on the roster? taking any safety in the 2nd round this year would be a dumb move, especially ones that are projected to be taken 4th or 5th round.Wiz will be there at 48,Cannon should be,and Kaepernick has a chance to be.Im 100% with you on getting need players, but safety is not a big need, and if Huff stays its not a need at all.

by RyanTheRaider on Apr 18, 2011 4:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

I disagree. Whether Huff stays or not, a new FS would be much welcome.

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by JaKe. on Apr 18, 2011 4:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

why?

we would have 4 FS and 2 SS on the roster.Huff would be enormously better than any Safety we could draft. A young safety would have almost no time to learn the play book, unless the lockout ends all of a sudden.Also,safety is the hardest position to play on our D.

by RyanTheRaider on Apr 18, 2011 4:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

what’s the fascination with Huff? He was good the first 6 games two years ago and the last 6 last year and still can’t tackle or take an angle worth shit

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by KA1Z3R on Apr 18, 2011 4:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

Hes

still our best option at FS

by RyanTheRaider on Apr 18, 2011 4:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

Jarrett or Sands would displace Huff ... eithre one of them equals upgrade at FS

S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
"I did the (2010) draft. ... I made a trade for Seymour. Gave up the first-rounder this year. I could tell you why. You may not think it was a good trade. I thought it was a great trade. Still do. [Al Davis 1/1911]

by Sons-of-Blanda on Apr 18, 2011 4:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

a rookie

4th or 5th round safety,with little time with the team,with little time to learn the play book,with little time in our incredibly difficult defense,at the most difficult position on our defense, will be better than Huff who has been in this system for 5 years, and is coming of an all pro season?

by RyanTheRaider on Apr 18, 2011 5:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

Not to quibble, but Sands will go in the 3rd and Jarrett in the 4th. Huff isn't going to get any better

he’s topped out and it’s not good enough. Sands will be a superstar and Jarrett will be solid. Jarrett’s instincts are phenomenal, if he were bigger, he’d be a 3rd rounder too.

S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
"I did the (2010) draft. ... I made a trade for Seymour. Gave up the first-rounder this year. I could tell you why. You may not think it was a good trade. I thought it was a great trade. Still do. [Al Davis 1/1911]

by Sons-of-Blanda on Apr 18, 2011 5:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

he may not be able to get any better

but he can be put into better situations.Sands could become a superstar over time, but Huff is the best option now,.

by RyanTheRaider on Apr 18, 2011 5:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

How do base that? Certainly not on his whiffed tackles or pass coverage ... must be his work

at the LOS which is where Huff excels.

S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
"I did the (2010) draft. ... I made a trade for Seymour. Gave up the first-rounder this year. I could tell you why. You may not think it was a good trade. I thought it was a great trade. Still do. [Al Davis 1/1911]

by Sons-of-Blanda on Apr 18, 2011 5:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

Im not saying Huff hasnt missed tackles or made mistakes in coverage, he has but with solid LBs in front of him, and the better defense coming in, he will not have to make as many tackles as he did last year(94) and should increase his chances to make plays.With Sands, we dont know what we are getting,we dont know if he will have time to learn the plays,we dont know if he could handle our defense.Huff is the better option.

by RyanTheRaider on Apr 18, 2011 5:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

with how your saying

we should not have gotten mcclain, and stayed with morrison last year because mcclain will not pick up the system in less than a year, and morrison has shown good enough production with an average DL(therefore we need a better DL).

We grab Jarret or Sands, because potentially, they can be A LOT better than huff. Both are extremely good tacklers, both have very good vision and awareness, and both are very good in coverage. The chances of either one of them starting over huff are FAR from impossible.

Will Huff do very well with LBs in front? Probably, because any average safety would do well with a very good front seven. We’re saying that with Jarret or Sands, they would do more than “well.” How do I know this? Look above. They have what a successful safety should have. Huff in his year is like Rahim Moore in this draft. #1 FS, “great” in coverage, da da da. But he cant tackle, or has poor execution.

Jarret and Sands,, have what a very good safety needs. Great tackling and very good vision and does very well in zone(Jarret does well in man coverage as well). There is NO REASON for me not to believe that Jarret or Sands can be better than Huff.

With Sands, we dont know what we are getting,we dont know if he will have time to learn the plays,we dont know if he could handle our defense.Huff is the better option.

We dont know if Huff can improve or not, and 4 years of being in our system, you would think that Huff would be an above average safety that some thought he was. I say bring in a guy like Jarret or Sands. With their very high potential (and considering Coach Nolan LOVES Jarret as well) to be superstars, whereas Huff is not going anywhere it looks like, and see if they can be one of the great improvements to our defense.

I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP

by Jack'sAxe on Apr 18, 2011 6:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

not the same at all

McClain was regarded as the best MLB in the draft, a 1st round pick,Sands and Jarret are the 5th and 6th rated FS prospects and 4th and 5th round picks.McClain had plenty of time to learn the play book and time to practice with the team,things these guys wont have unless the lockout ends soon.McClain came from a great school in the top division that always played against top talent.Them, West Virginia and Temple.McClain wasnt trying to replace a player far better than him.

by RyanTheRaider on Apr 18, 2011 7:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

,Sands and Jarret are the 5th and 6th rated FS prospects and 4th and 5th round picks

Jarret WAS a high second round pick(rated #2) before his 40 time. And Sands was a 3rd round prospect.

.McClain had plenty of time to learn the play book and time to practice with the team,things these guys wont have unless the lockout ends soon.McClain came from a great school in the top division that always played against top talent.Them, West Virginia and Temple.McClain wasnt trying to replace a player far better than him.

First of all, Temple is a good school for defensive players.

Second of all, if you are letting the SCHOOL determine how a player will do in the nfl, AND NOT how the player plays, or what skills he possess, then you are being selfish. These two have very good potential, and have very high starting capabilities. DOn’t let the school tell you other wise, these two guys are great playmakers that have the qualities of what very good safeties should have.

and regarding the rest of that paragraph, these guys would be getting just as much time, of not more time, than mcclain. Reason being, they can still practice with the team outside of facilities, and they can get a year out of studying the playbook before the season stars(assuming there will be a lockout). And besides, these two, like mcclain, are very good at studying and learning, and are film rats.

I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP

by Jack'sAxe on Apr 18, 2011 8:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

and the rest of what I said still stands.

I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP

by Jack'sAxe on Apr 18, 2011 8:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

im not letting the school

determine success, im just saying McClain played against far better teams/players than these guys.Your right, these guys do have great potential, but they are not gonna be good right away, which is why they are not 1st or second round prospects, they are 4th and 5th round prospects.Huff is the better option NOW, they may be better than Huff in a year or two, but not NOW.

by RyanTheRaider on Apr 18, 2011 8:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

they WERE higher prospects. Im not saying they are(although Jarret is clearly MUCH higher than where they are putting him).
Huff is the better option NOW, they may be better than Huff in a year or two, but not NOW.

And thats why we take one of them. You cant expect EVERY draftee, except 1st-2nd rounders, to be starting right away. Most of them take time.

I think Jarret can start right away. I think he is the better option NOW, than Huff is. If not, then a year or two I think he would be. Which is why we should draft him. Hell, its a 4th rounder, not a 2nd rounder(even though I do think he should be a second rounder, and he was before the combine).

I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP

by Jack'sAxe on Apr 18, 2011 8:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

yes

lets draft a project player at a position we are STACKED at, Huff, Mitchell, Branch, Brown,Eugene and Jarret.

by RyanTheRaider on Apr 18, 2011 8:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

Can you please tell me which one of those safeties can be an all pro?

Because I can tell you right now, Jarret, and sands, can be all pros.

Not to mention they wont be considered a project if they threaten the starting spot, which would be no surprise considering how their fundamentals are, and how skilled they are (Jarret being loved by Nolan is a GREAT plus).

I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP

by Jack'sAxe on Apr 18, 2011 8:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

BROWN, is a project. MITCHELL is a project.

HUFF is a project, and Branch is average and Eugene will definitely not be an all pro.

I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP

by Jack'sAxe on Apr 18, 2011 8:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

exactly

we have project safeties, why draft another?

by RyanTheRaider on Apr 18, 2011 8:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

Because Jarret and Sands are not PROJECTS.

A draftee is not considered a project if they have STARTING CAPABILITIE.

Bruce Campbell was a project because of his numbers. Veldheer was a project. These guys needed to be developed. But you have guys in the draft who are not like that, and believe it or not, those type of guys can slip into the later rounds. Like Herzlich.

I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP

by Jack'sAxe on Apr 18, 2011 8:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

Not if they have starting capabilities though.

Those guys can slip in the later rounds.

Jarret and Sands both have the ability to start over Huff. And if you say they are projects, then so is Huff because he has shown very little improvement for the past 4 years with us.

Jarret and Sands are not projects, because you mostly know what you would get out of them. Bruce Campbell? Not so much, because he had a godly combine, and he was considered Raw.

Jarret? Not Raw. We know he is excellent at tackling. We know he is good in coverage. We know he has good reaction time. Why? Because he has 4 years of proof in college and consistency. We know what he can do, but Campbell? Nope. We dont. thats why HE is a project, but guys like Jarret and Sands(mostly jarret) not so much.

I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP

by Jack'sAxe on Apr 18, 2011 8:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

if they had starting capabilities

they wouldn’t fall that far.There is a reason they are ranked behind four other players at their position.

by RyanTheRaider on Apr 18, 2011 8:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

They fell that far

due to COMBINE NUMBERS. which is what every draft expert looks at a lot, which is complete crap.

They also fell that far, because others rose, even others in different positions. Also they rise due to team needs, which affects where they are projected. Also, depth is another reason, which is mostly the reason for Jarret and Sands.

FS has a lot of depth. The reason Jarret fell that far is, you guessed it, the 4o TIME.

They have starting capabilities. I know this from watching film of Jarret(im mostly talking about him specifically) starting around mid season last year. He has starting capabilities because:

He has what every good safety needs to be successful. very good tackling, and reaction time, and vision.

Jarret has those.

I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP

by Jack'sAxe on Apr 18, 2011 8:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

a 4.6 is pretty bad for a DB.

a 4.4, or a 4.5 is just good enough. A 4.6 is considered “below average” speed for a DB.

I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP

by Jack'sAxe on Apr 18, 2011 8:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

rahim moore

ran a 4.58,quinton carter a 4.57, the top two FS in the draft

by RyanTheRaider on Apr 18, 2011 8:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

Moore, as I said earlier,

is like the Huff of the draft. Everyone is hyping him up, but if you look at film, he is nothing special. Looking at Quinten Carter, I am not impressed either.

And they are faster than the 40 times anyways. As is Jarret.

I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP

by Jack'sAxe on Apr 18, 2011 8:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

you cant say that

Jarrets 40 time made his stock fall, when its only 4 hundredths of a second different than the best rated FS in the draft.

by RyanTheRaider on Apr 18, 2011 8:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

his stock failed not just because of that though. I listed other factors.

I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP

by Jack'sAxe on Apr 18, 2011 8:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

yes

you said his stock fell because others rose, which makes no sense. just because someones stock rises doesnt mean someones has to fall.There can be more than 1 safety rated for the 2nd round.

by RyanTheRaider on Apr 18, 2011 9:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

You can

but you cant have more than 32 1st rounders. Let me elaborate on this:

If you have 8 FS in the first round, and half of the teams dont exactly need a FS, and their are OL rising up, and RBs rising up, and everyone else in a position, a player can slip into the second round.

In this years case, FS, like pretty much any other draft, usually start in teh 2nd round, unless you get an ed reed type guy or something. JArret was a second rounder.

Jarret slipped because he displayed numbers, which he didnt show when he was in college(according to experts, he is slower than they realize…). So he slipped into the later 2nd round, and almost to the 3rd. AT THE SAME TIME, others are rising, so he can slip further down. Others are falling from the earlier rounds because they are displaying the same as Jarret in their position, but has that starting quality still(which I mentioned above).

I can get more into this, but its late, and I’ll be sleeping soon. Plus their are still other reasons up there.

I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP

by Jack'sAxe on Apr 18, 2011 9:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

Neither Jarrett or Sands

will be drafted in the 5th round. They both be gone before the 5th round starts. These two also have experience at single high safety, Huff didn’t and had to learn it.
Face it. Huff is gone to Dallas or elsewhere. Eugene got the big contract, not Huff. So we’ll need to get a FS replacement, preferably with single high experience. Thus drafting Sands or Jarrett is a must.

JUST DOMINATE BABY !!!

by rambis64 on Apr 19, 2011 8:54 AM PDT up reply actions  

That's the way it is.

Eugene can cover but is unacceptable against the rush. Sands or Jarrett would help our rush defense tremendously … and also create turnovers.

S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
"I did the (2010) draft. ... I made a trade for Seymour. Gave up the first-rounder this year. I could tell you why. You may not think it was a good trade. I thought it was a great trade. Still do. [Al Davis 1/1911]

by Sons-of-Blanda on Apr 19, 2011 9:55 AM PDT up reply actions  

if huff leaves

then im fine with drafting a safety, but we should try to keep him and if he does a stay we should not draft one.

by RyanTheRaider on Apr 19, 2011 10:38 AM PDT up reply actions  

We won't pay Huff what he wants, pure and simple

which is why they cut the rope and didnt have a conversation. He’s as good as gone to Texas.

The cowards never started, the weak died along the way....

by BlackHeartSilverEyes on Apr 19, 2011 11:06 AM PDT up reply actions  

Huff was an all pro

lat year, Mitchell can be,Branch was expected to be, but he had a bad year.Who the hell is nolan?

by RyanTheRaider on Apr 18, 2011 8:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

Huff was average last year.

and he is still average in his fundamentals of tackling, reaction time.

I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP

by Jack'sAxe on Apr 18, 2011 8:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

Huff

was an all pro last year

by RyanTheRaider on Apr 18, 2011 8:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

Meriweather went to the pro bowl last year, but he was only average.

Huff is the same idea, only I think he was a sub.

I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP

by Jack'sAxe on Apr 18, 2011 8:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

i dont know

any thing about Meriweather. all pro is different from pro bowl, pro bowl is a popularity contest

by RyanTheRaider on Apr 18, 2011 8:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

Meriweather? Popular? lol (but I do agree with some players).

Meriweather was great in 09, but 2010 he was average, and missing tackles.

but regardless, huff is average. Maybe the most average all pro if you consider him that way.

I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP

by Jack'sAxe on Apr 18, 2011 8:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

And? The pats dont normally get ANYONE in the probowl.

If anyone gets in, its our OL, and Brady. Not DBs.

He was a pro bowl snub last year, and he is DEFINITELY not popular.

I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP

by Jack'sAxe on Apr 18, 2011 8:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

the

prow bowl is a popularity contest, ask any one

by RyanTheRaider on Apr 18, 2011 8:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

I know. Ed Reed and Palomalu are very popular in their positions.

But Meriweather is not well known. I am sorry, but it is true. he was average at best last year, but he got in. I dont know why, but its not popularity.

I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP

by Jack'sAxe on Apr 18, 2011 8:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

I am completely on board

the Huff is mediocre train. He is continually a step late in coverage. He is frequently out of position, and his open field tackling…well that is the stuff of highlights. For the other team

Gravity always wins

by Rich Langford on Apr 18, 2011 11:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

He needs to go to Dallas.

The cowards never started, the weak died along the way....

by BlackHeartSilverEyes on Apr 19, 2011 5:33 AM PDT up reply actions  

he played good last year and had a ok year before that.Maybe if he was in a system that had him face the QB more,(which we are going to have next year according to Coach Woodson),he could make more plays and get more tackles.Maybe if he had some help from the linebackers,(which he should have next year with Biekert coaching the LBs), he wouldnt have to make so many tackles.

by RyanTheRaider on Apr 18, 2011 4:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

I cant find anywhere where woodson has said that(not calling yo a lier, just saying I can't).

Tell you what, we had a killer DL as well. BUt regardless:

The LBs does not determine your reaction time. Huff’s reaction time against the run…. average.

What this leads to is the angles in which huff takes when going to the RB. His angles, which are not affected by LB play, is average.

There are elements of the game for a safety, which are not determined by LBs. Huff is average when it comes to those. When it comes to coverage? I’d say he’s about a little bit above average.

I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP

by Jack'sAxe on Apr 18, 2011 6:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

but having his back to the play

does determine reaction time, and woodson says there gonna start having the DBs face the qb more.he says it here.Like i said, im not saying huff is perfect, he does screw up once in a while, but having improved LBs and having him face the QB, will limit the situations where he is 1 on 1 with the RB.

by RyanTheRaider on Apr 18, 2011 8:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

improved LB play would improve any safety.

And he doesnt have his back to the play all the time at all. He covers deep, ya, but he doesnt always have his back to the play.

LB play does not determine reaction time, and how you tackle, or which angle you take. He is average in those departments. There has been 4 years of film to support this. He has improved in some areas, like zone coverage, but so far I see no improvement on some of the more basic fundamentals of any Safety, in any system(which I listed above).

I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP

by Jack'sAxe on Apr 18, 2011 8:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

i didnt say LB play

determines reaction time,how he tackles,or the angles he takes.But with better LB play it would take the need of him to make so many tackles.With his and every other player in coverage with their backs not to the QB, will increase there ability to read and REACT,improving their reaction time, ability to make plays, and take the need for Huff to make so many tackles, away.

by RyanTheRaider on Apr 18, 2011 8:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

like I said, his back was not always to the QB. If anything, I dont think MOST of the time he had his back to the QB at all.

IN the single high safety, you must face forward to read the plays in front of you, and REACT quick enough to disrupt, or make the play not give BIG yardage.

Huff does not have great fundamentals, and Jarret and Sands has those fundamentals that Huff does not. Learning the system can happen over time, and if anything, they do have the abilities to start right away.

I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP

by Jack'sAxe on Apr 18, 2011 8:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

no his back was not always

to the QB, but when it was,thats when most of his bad plays happend.

by RyanTheRaider on Apr 18, 2011 8:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

But there were quite a bit of plays where he was facing the Qb no?

Because I saw very little difference. When he was facing the QB.

And I would think a guy like Jarret, who has great reaction time, very good coverage, and EXCELLENT tackling has a very good chance of starting. Sands is good, but I like jarret a lot better.

I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP

by Jack'sAxe on Apr 18, 2011 8:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

yes he did face the QB

a few times, he also made a few plays when he did.Jarret can be a starter,but Huff is better.

by RyanTheRaider on Apr 18, 2011 8:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

How can you say Huff is better?

Huff is an average tackler, Jarret is excellent. Huff is good in coverage, but so is Jarret. Huff has average reaction time, but jarret has great reaction time.

There is no reason for me to believe that Jarret, or Sands, cant knock huff of his starting position. And if you say scheme, I already mention above that the fundamentals, which tackling and reaction time are involved, is key in any scheme.

Huff made plays, but he is NOT a starting FS. He is a backup at best.

I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP

by Jack'sAxe on Apr 18, 2011 8:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

Huff

is an average against NFL talent in a bad system.Jarret is good against lower level college talent.Huff is an ALL PRO safety, he made plays and he gave up plays, but what do you expect in this system, you expect a rookie 4th-5th rounder will do better, thats ridiculous.

by RyanTheRaider on Apr 18, 2011 8:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

And Jarret was a beat against them.

And they were not really lower level talent. It wouldnt matter anyways when looking at fundamentals. He doesnt arm tackle. He raps them and takes them out. He reacts quickly. These are not affected by the talents he faced, but the skills he uses, and has.

I expect a guy, rookie or not, that is better at tackling, reaction time, vision, and better coverage skills to do better than huff. yes.

If Huff doesnt fit this system, and neither does Jarret, then its safe to say that if you put Jarret in Huff’s place with the skills he has, then ya, he can do better.

I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP

by Jack'sAxe on Apr 18, 2011 8:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

i didnt say

they didnt fit the system, i said the system is flawed.But huff knows how to play in this system and has success in it, jarret does not

by RyanTheRaider on Apr 18, 2011 8:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

The system wont change, at least for now.

and in terms of fundamentals, I think Jarret is a lot better than huff. In this system, you need reaction time(I said this already..), tackling ability, and vision. Huff is average in those. Jarret is not, which is why I think he can do better.

I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP

by Jack'sAxe on Apr 18, 2011 8:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

you forget what Woodson said already?

jarret is above average at those things (i said this already) against lower level college players.

by RyanTheRaider on Apr 18, 2011 8:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

And I will repeat what I said as well.

I said that the teams wont matter with the skill you displayed. Your reaction time will nit be different, how you tackle will not be different, your vision will not change, and your covering ability will not change because of the type of teams you play.

And he has played pretty good talent. Not the greatest but good.

I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP

by Jack'sAxe on Apr 18, 2011 9:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

you would

be covering worse players,you would be tackling worse players.Im not saying he cant be good, im saying huff is a better option right now.

by RyanTheRaider on Apr 18, 2011 9:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

So when he runs from one side of the field to the other, and breaks up a pass, or makes a diving pass breakup

that has to do with the type of receiver he is playing? Or QB? That doesnt make any sense, because you can have a perfectly thrown ball, and the DB can still break up the pass. And Jarret did this frequently.

There is more to it than you realize. The talents he displayed has nothing really to do with the competition he is facing. At least the skills that Im talking about.

I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP

by Jack'sAxe on Apr 18, 2011 9:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

Im going to bed in a bit. I guess we can continue this later,

or agree to disagree. Which ever you like. lol

I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP

by Jack'sAxe on Apr 18, 2011 9:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

Then I wont respond below, because I KNOW you responded. lol

(goes to look)

I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP

by Jack'sAxe on Apr 19, 2011 2:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

Semi with you on Huff

But pundits on the young Sands and Jarrett think they can start, even in single high. Some call them perfect for us.

"The only yardstick for success our society has is being a champion. No one remembers anything else."--John Madden

""The massive Raider Nation is beyond doubt the sleaziest and rudest and most sinister mob of thugs and wackos ever assembled."--Hunter S. Thompson

by brhynno on Apr 18, 2011 8:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

I just think, in terms of fundamentals

that they are an upgrade over huff.

I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP

by Jack'sAxe on Apr 18, 2011 8:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

Huff is that guy who is awesome occasionally, but very much not, the other half of the time

Making him a liability I have no doubt Woodson could help, but it would take some time, and I believe Huff would always show that side again.

Today’s free essentially plays like a third corner, which is what these two kids bring. I think Huff is gone, and we won’t miss him.

"The only yardstick for success our society has is being a champion. No one remembers anything else."--John Madden

""The massive Raider Nation is beyond doubt the sleaziest and rudest and most sinister mob of thugs and wackos ever assembled."--Hunter S. Thompson

by brhynno on Apr 18, 2011 8:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

plus what's the cost of resigning Huff?

he’s gonna cost a lot more than Sands or Jarrett will. Resigning him to a big contract in hopes that Woodson can help him, sounds dumb to me. It looks like the Raiders decided to pay Eugene, not Huff. Eugene is old and getting a FS replacement now is the way to go and Sands or Jarrett are good choices to fit our system.

JUST DOMINATE BABY !!!

by rambis64 on Apr 19, 2011 9:04 AM PDT up reply actions  

He said it in his announcement oh his becoming CB coach

Here

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-network-total-access/09000d5d81e4f604/Woodson-I-hope-we-keep-Nnamdi?module=HP_headlines

"The only yardstick for success our society has is being a champion. No one remembers anything else."--John Madden

""The massive Raider Nation is beyond doubt the sleaziest and rudest and most sinister mob of thugs and wackos ever assembled."--Hunter S. Thompson

by brhynno on Apr 18, 2011 8:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

Just finished watching it, and I did not hear him say that he wants to change the scheme, so the players can "face" the Qb more.

If you can type in the time he says this, then I would look at it again.

I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP

by Jack'sAxe on Apr 18, 2011 8:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

Without going back into it

I believe his words were he was going to do some things, getting guys in position to make plays, a little more things facing the ball.

We take this to mean less straight up man for the corners. I never said anything about a change in scheme. A tweak, perhaps. We don’t know yet what he means until we see the product.

"The only yardstick for success our society has is being a champion. No one remembers anything else."--John Madden

""The massive Raider Nation is beyond doubt the sleaziest and rudest and most sinister mob of thugs and wackos ever assembled."--Hunter S. Thompson

by brhynno on Apr 18, 2011 8:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

YOU didnt say that, but ryan did.

and he didnt say “facing the ball” I believe. He just said getting players in the position to make plays, and that to put the players where they are comfortable with.

I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP

by Jack'sAxe on Apr 18, 2011 8:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

ive seen the footage and quite a few west virginia games, thought maybe i wasnt seeing him well because the hips looked stiff

then i saw him at the combine and thought nope my are fine, but like i said id be happy with either just not both.

by NATIONSGREATEST on Apr 18, 2011 7:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

can the raiders get a 1st round pick via trade?

i know we can trade a player with apick or package a player, but is it worth to move into the 1st round?

by sports with steve on Apr 16, 2011 9:56 PM PDT reply actions  

I dont think it is worth it.

We’ll likely have to give up a pick this year, or next year, and we need those picks.

I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP

by Jack'sAxe on Apr 16, 2011 10:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

If the Raiders packaged all of their picks from this year

they would have enough value to be in the neighborhood of the 24th pick.

Gravity always wins

by Rich Langford on Apr 18, 2011 11:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

Completely agree

Especially given the success the Raiders have had in later rounds.

Gravity always wins

by Rich Langford on Apr 19, 2011 2:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

I like the draft quite a bit.

I have only 2-3 issues:

1) cannon>wiz. I know you envision him as a guard, but one of his negatives is that he doesn’t play very strong. If you need a guard, there is Danny Watkinss, Ben Ijalana, and John Moffit(who has played both center but MOSTLY LG. And i do like this kid).

2) Jarret>Sands. If you want to talk about tackling, man, imo this kid is hands down THE best tackler in the draft. he has great instincts in both the run and pass, has great closing speed, can hit the hell out of people, and he was a leader at temple.

But what has me sold on him over sands, is his hip movement.. For a 6-2 guy, he has great hip movement, and he can play slot corner if need be. And coach nolan LOVES how he tackles(he says he may be the best tackler he has ever seen).

highlights: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mnCQkoIZOFg

And for 3) I would have Nathan Enderle, QB in the 7th round instead. Here is an 18 minute vid of him against an opponent. To me, he has very good pocket presence, very good release, and very good accuracy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nfnSYt20i_8

But I give you an A, because wiz wont be a horrible pick, and sands is a good pick anyways.

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by Jack'sAxe on Apr 16, 2011 10:37 PM PDT reply actions  

and at 1:08 in the jarret vid

thats him completely stopping a FB in his tracks.

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by Jack'sAxe on Apr 16, 2011 10:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

This isn’t an ideal draft for me, this is a draft that I personally see happening. In this way, I find it too convenient that Davis gets Steve Wis on board when his son goes in the draft and most likely be there when the Raiders pick. I do agree on Cannon>Wis, but I think that Davis is planning to get Wis.

agreed on Jarrett but feel he’ll go in the second.

As for Enderle, I like him a lot. However, I just have this feeling about Potts that i can’t explain. Guess just call it a gut feeling. Either way I’d be happy, both could be very good QB’s in the NFL after a couple years learning.

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by KA1Z3R on Apr 17, 2011 6:56 AM PDT up reply actions  

Jarret is projected as a 5th rounder. but I think he'll go in the mid 4th.

and I have heard that Stefen Wis is the nephew of the Wis we have now. not son.

I cant find video on Potts. If you could provide vid, that would be awesome. lol

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by Jack'sAxe on Apr 17, 2011 10:02 AM PDT up reply actions  

I can’t buy Jarrett in the fifth or fourth. Lot of people saying his stock is fast rising and I agree with them. Probably the second best safety in the draft on most big boards behind only the overrated UCLA safety

Couldn’t find any good film on Potts, will keep digging around.

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by KA1Z3R on Apr 17, 2011 11:38 AM PDT up reply actions  

No way the Raiders are drafting a FB

They are not going to carry two FBs after they already re-signed Cartwright whose value is as a special teamer and backup fullback.

I can see the other picks though. Nice work.

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by Rich Langford on Apr 18, 2011 11:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

good point

Between solidifying the D and O-line, we have our hands full

by DarknBlack on Apr 19, 2011 8:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

not to knit pick

but dont forget about the extra 7th round pick we got. its a non tradeable compesatory pick.

by Marcofromda510 on Apr 17, 2011 12:18 AM PDT reply actions  

forgot, but it’ll probably just be some speedy developmental player from a small school.

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by KA1Z3R on Apr 17, 2011 7:09 AM PDT up reply actions  

2011 Draft

  I don’t like it at all and neither would Al. We are going to take Marcus Cannon or a more physical OL or even Jimmy Smith with our 2nd rd pick. In the 3rd I see a OT like a Brewer coming our way. In the 4th a OLB or MLB and in the 5th a nastier C than Wiz, Fusco from Slippery Rock. In the 6th a TE or QB and in the 7rh a speedy CB or WR that can make plays to eventually take future bust DHB’s spot on the roster in 2012.

by Terrell Randall on Apr 17, 2011 4:49 AM PDT reply actions  

I see Davis getting Wis. Like I’ve said, I find it odd that he adds his dad to the coaching staff when his son is in the draft in the Raiders range.

In regards to OT in the third, I believe we’ll see Bruce Campbell play RT this year. The scheme fits him nicely for RT and Davis was unhappy at Cable for not playing him last year. The need is also very much there at safety. can’t see Al Davis passing on a freakish athlete like Robert Sands. Only this time, he’s also a good football player.

In the fifth, I can’t see Al not getting the nasty lead blocker that is Hynoski. He’s perfect for the scheme and could really open up things for Reece. Reece isn’t a good lead blocker and the power scheme we’re gonna run demands that we have a good one. Luckily, Hynoski is a great one.

Sixth has the TE and with guys like Enderle and Potts in the second, no way Davis passes up on a QB

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by KA1Z3R on Apr 17, 2011 7:08 AM PDT up reply actions  

Steve is Stephens uncle, not his dad

and it seems a possibility that we could get both Cannon and Wiz the way Stephens stock is dropping. I’d hope we’ll have another option at RT if Campbell falls flat and Cannon can play both RG and RT

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by rambis64 on Apr 17, 2011 8:39 AM PDT up reply actions  

other options at RT

Walker and Henderson. I like the mix of competition across all jobs. I don’t have a problem with Wiz at 48, Watkins is rated higher as interior lineman after Pouncey but that’s about it. Hence, I like Cannon with Tackle possibilities but I’m fine with Wiz or Watkins for that matter. Will Sands be available in the 3rd? I haven’t seen that many negative comments about Herzlich except for his speed; we all know what AD loves and that’s why AD may not pick him. Nothing to do with character.

by raiders4liffe on Apr 18, 2011 1:55 AM PDT up reply actions  

Al Davis showed last year that speed is not a priority at LB really. All three backers were over 250 last year and the fastest one was Kamerion Wimbley, a former 3-4 backer. Seems we’re going more with big strong guys with good awareness (i.e. Rolando McClain, Travis Goethel), in which case Mark Herzlich is the best in the class for us.

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by KA1Z3R on Apr 18, 2011 6:53 AM PDT up reply actions  

Well said. He is the best fit for us

And Biekert will work miracles through guys like that.

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by brhynno on Apr 18, 2011 9:06 AM PDT up reply actions  

agreed. Linebackers can have steep learning curves at times in the NFL but a guy like Herzlich can come in and know exactly what to do and how to do it from day one.

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by KA1Z3R on Apr 18, 2011 10:59 AM PDT up reply actions  

I’m also on the Herzlich bus. Dude’s a straight up ball-hawk.

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by JaKe. on Apr 18, 2011 4:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

Herzlich's speed,

unless mistaken, was 4.95. Ro was clocked 4.60 & 4.68 while Goethel ran a 4.58 & 4.62. Sorry, but a 4.95 is significantly slower no matter how we slice it. It’s essentially linemen speed – avg between 4.90 and 5.25. So if we do draft the guy, which I doubt that AD will (been very wrong before, so nothing new), he’ll have a hard time playing on coverage passing plays.One thing to play against Northeastern, wake forest, central michigan, and kent state which BC did in 2009 when he had his best ball than picking up NFL tight end speed.

Last on Huff, the devil you know…If Jarett and Sands with their size, speed, and tackling abilities that has been written above, why would they drop past the 2nd round as numerous teams are looking to upgrade? Again, it’s one thing to play against the Marylands of the world, it’s another to play against world class speed on every play. If they drop past the 5th round, it’s because they’re not expected to start. 6th round players are lucky to make the team as you need to clearly beat out the incumbent who has experience in the league and presumably the system. Being close in the job race is simply not good enough, it has to be decisive or the incumbent needs to be on a big ticket that you’re looking to pare down.

by raiders4liffe on Apr 19, 2011 1:53 AM PDT up reply actions  

look at Herzlichs game film, and you see him out running QBs and and almost matching DBs.

And have you watched film of Jarret and Sands? If you looked at their film, you see these things.

but besides that, they dropped because of what I listed above. I will not repeat them again for you. There are a lot of factors that go into them.

Also, the possibility of Jarret knocking down Huff says something about your boy then. It doesnt matter WHERE they are drafted, but WHAT they can bring to the team.

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by Jack'sAxe on Apr 19, 2011 4:57 AM PDT up reply actions  

First,

Huff is not my boy. If he gets beaten out from an undrafted player, than that’s the deal. Second, you are what the score says. You get drafted in the 5th round, you’re a 5th round pick; not a second round pick who dropped. You’re an 8-8 team, that’s what you are; not a should have could have beaten atlanta and jacksonville, hence, really a 10-6. Huff had a solid season, not great tackling but overall very productive and at times he was an impact player. I’m going back to value – as the 6th player taken in any draft, huff should have been impactful from day one, that’s my point with where you are drafted. Top 10 need to start and be impactful from day one, no matter what or don’t pick the player. I’ve gone over this on many different write ups, will not repeat for you. Huff has failed but showed some glimpse in a contract year. With multiple needs, FS is your target position to compete against Huff? Is that the right use of resources particularly when you don’t have a 1st rd pick?

Herzlichs looks great in 2009 and in particular against central michigan and kent state, that’s clear. What we don’t know is can he bring it on Sundays? He’s going to be scheme dependent because at 4.95 (if it’s true), do you expect him to cover a rb in the flat? He was playing zone at BC. Can he beat out Ricky Browm, he better. Can he cover better than Howard, unlikely. Do we need help at LB, absolutely.

by raiders4liffe on Apr 19, 2011 6:41 AM PDT up reply actions  

Herzlich played man a lot as well. He is smarter than Howard.

regarding the whole drafting in the area, just because you are drafted lower than another guy, doesn’t mean crap. You know there are several players drafted in the lower rounds that produce a lot more than guys in the top 2 rounds?

Im not looking at where Jarret is projected. All I have said was, was that he should be a 2nd rounder with his talent, but because of many reasons, he is not. I can tell you one thing though:

Just because he is a 4th rounder, doesn’t mean he is average. You look at him as a 4th rounder, and think he is just average. I look at film, analysis’s from more than one source, and make an analysis of my own. What do you think is more reliable to judge a prospect?

Lets look at Alex Green for example. A RB from hawaii: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BK0VmrZIGSI

Looks like a 2nd rounder right? Wrong. He is a 4th-5th rounder. Why is he projected there? I have no idea. Same as to why I wont fully know why Jarret is a 4th rounder.

Going back to Jarret, looking at his film, da da da, he can bring skills to this team that Huff does not possess(as I have listed above). These skills are not determined by the teams he is playing (how you tackle for example, or your reaction time). Huff is so far not getting re-signed, and Al is, in fact, looking at FS (as evident to a fanshot a few weeks ago when he was looking at a FS prospect. And I think that prospect was around where Jarret is. SOB can attest to this).

And in that contract year, he only showed very little improvement. I think its time we need a change at safety. Someone who is a very good run defender, an excellent tackler, can play single high safety, and has great reaction time, and spending a 4th rounder on that guy would be of very good value. I’m thinking Jarret.

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by Jack'sAxe on Apr 19, 2011 10:28 AM PDT up reply actions  

Green is a 4th-5th rounder

because of the teams he played against.Troy
Weatherhead had an amazing season and had a 76.9 completion %, why is he not a first round pick? He plays for Hillsdale a div II school.

by RyanTheRaider on Apr 19, 2011 10:48 AM PDT up reply actions  

I knew it! (damn I responded!)

But what I said here still stands:

Jarret, looking at his film, da da da, he can bring skills to this team that Huff does not possess(as I have listed above). These skills are not determined by the teams he is playing (how you tackle for example, or your reaction time).

I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP

by Jack'sAxe on Apr 19, 2011 2:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

lol

im not saying there not good im just saying why there not 1st round picks lol

by RyanTheRaider on Apr 19, 2011 2:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

I know, and Im saying that his skills should not be determined by what team he plays against. At least certain skills.

I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP

by Jack'sAxe on Apr 19, 2011 2:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

and they should not be determined by what round he is in.

Otherwise, all 1st round picks are starters, and all 4-7th round picks are depth and project players. Which is not true, and a fallacy.

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by Jack'sAxe on Apr 19, 2011 2:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

but thats how it is

you dont usually draft a payer in the forth or later,and expect to get a starter unless your team has nobody at the position,or its a kicker or a punter.1st rounders are expected to start immediately,unless your drafting a QB, or your drafting a position were your team has a player that is getting old,has problems, or is gonna be gone soon. Its not always like that, but its like that most of the time,i mean last year we got Ford (4th) and Goethel(6th) who were ready to start, and we got Campbell(4th) and McFadden(5th) who weren’t.

by RyanTheRaider on Apr 19, 2011 2:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

when you are drafting a QB in the first round, you expect them to start. Hands down(mcdaniels was an idiot).

YOu may say thats how it is, but that does not mean we should take the projections seriously. YOu must evaluate the player first, and determine whether or not he is higher than his projection, which is great worth, or lower, or doesnt fit the system, etc etc.

Looking at Jarret, there is no reason for me to not believe that he can replace huff in his first year. After watching film, and looking at what he can do, I have no problems saying this.

I think we should draft Jarret, because Huff isnt fully getting it done, and it looks like we wont sign him. Jarret has great playmaking ability, can sniff out the run very well, can play single high safety, can man cover, and play zone very well, and he is a great tackler with great reaction time and closing speed.

If you ask why is he a 4th rounder then, then my guess my honest answer would be: I don’t know why. He is there, and a great value. I say get him.

I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP

by Jack'sAxe on Apr 19, 2011 3:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

Herzlich is still recovering from his cancer

as far as getting back his football speed goes and when he does get back, he’ll be a steal if we get him in the 4th or 5th round.
Al has taken chances on hurt guys in the forth before…remember Mike Bush… a first round talent recovering from a broken leg. That’s Herzlich a former 1st round talent recovering from cancer. Whoever gets him a gonna get a possible superstar in the later rounds, I hope it’s us.

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by rambis64 on Apr 19, 2011 9:14 AM PDT up reply actions  

He overcame cancer. Or at least thats what I have read I believe.

Plus he did great last year for a guy who was recovering…

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by Jack'sAxe on Apr 19, 2011 10:29 AM PDT up reply actions  

it's my main point

about round order. Bush was 1st round talent, all the way with size and speed. After his injury, most teams ran away except for the Raiders. The rest is history, however, let’s note that yes Kiffin held him out longer, but the expectation was that he wasn’t going to play much during his rookie year. That’s perfectly fine to have limited expectations with a 4th rd pick or later. Hopefully Bruce Campbell will prove to have the same type of production this year. What I’m suggesting is to align expectation with the draft order; to expect a 5th round to have an explosive rookie year is ridiculous. To be pleasantly surprise by a 4th round rookie is an incredible bonus. J Ford and Veld are not the norm. Both didn’t get to start the year until injury or pure mediocrity; furthermore, once they received their shot, they excelled beyond recognition. Knowing that Herzlich is recovering from cancer is fine, picking him in the 5th is fine too; expecting him to step in and dominate off the bat is unrealistic. If we get him and he needs a year another to get back to where he once was that should be expected it doesn’t make it a bad pick. If he’s running at 4.95 and the belief is that he can bring it down to 4.65 once fully recovered, AD would presumably go for it and be patient with him. We should be ok with that. To expect him to dominate at 4.95, I can’t agree. Any players who is fortunate to wear a game jersey and getting on the field is on point regardless of draft order or contract. All I’m saying is don’t spend good money on a top 10 pick who is not ready – read DHB, QB with no name, and Huff. A lower pick should only have upside – low expectation, low cost, any impact being good impact.

by raiders4liffe on Apr 19, 2011 12:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

The thing is you are just looking at what round he is projected in, and not his overall talent.

I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP

by Jack'sAxe on Apr 19, 2011 2:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

the guy

ran a 4.95, let him fully recover before anointing him. My last attempt as I’m not successfully getting to you. A top 10 pick gets close to guaranteed $20 mm (obviously more for top 5 picks) while a 6th round pick gets chump signing bonus and non-guaranteed money over what 4 years – he needs to make the team every year to get paid. Where you draft players matters greatly when you’re looking to assemble a complete team as you’re committed to contracts in a cap era game. I’m not hung up on projection more with where a player gets picked. It’s a question of time horizon expectations. Big money, big contract, you need to play big now. No need to rush a lower pick unless he’s the answer. Again, we haven’t been to the SB, hence, no jobs are safe. Anyone should compete for any jobs, the better player needs to play. The Raiders brass will have their board and talent ranking (not pundits and self-named experts projections) if a player they rank drops, they will need to pounce. I would argue that without a 1st rounder, we should focus on value. My previous example was if we all think that Kyle Rudolph is 1st round talent and he drops to 48, I would say pick him because he’s great value and try to trade Meyers for a LB or 5th rd pick.

by raiders4liffe on Apr 20, 2011 1:33 AM PDT up reply actions  

MONEY and expectations are the only 2 things that depend on your draft position.

Skill is not one of those though. If we brought him in, I would say let him heal for a bit(even though in reports he is recovered).

In regards to expectations, because I watched film on jarret quite a bit, and herzlich, I expect them both to be starters.

And if you say so, then this will also be my last attempt to reach you. ;)

I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP

by Jack'sAxe on Apr 20, 2011 6:06 AM PDT up reply actions  

In regards to expectations, because I watched film on jarret quite a bit, and herzlich, I expect them both to be starters.

*I expect them both to be starters based on their skill alone.

I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP

by Jack'sAxe on Apr 20, 2011 6:06 AM PDT up reply actions  

Jarrett is probably the best tackler in this draft. The reason he's projected low -

4-5th is due to his size < 200 and the concern that if he hits Pros like he’s been sticking people in college he’ll get hurt. I don’t buy it b/c his philosophy – like Tatum’s – seems to be “hit them harder than they hit you and all will be well.”

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by Sons-of-Blanda on Apr 20, 2011 7:35 AM PDT up reply actions  

B

I would seriously consider an A but I’m not too sure about a TE and a FB… I think if we pick one or the other to dip into free agency and take a young CB. Or hell, grab the CB from the pool and keep your picks. B+…

by J. Da Pirate on Apr 17, 2011 7:11 PM PDT reply actions  

I love it.

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by JaKe. on Apr 18, 2011 4:28 PM PDT reply actions  

Great Mock!

Now if we can just hire a decent receivers coach.

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by RUKidding on Apr 19, 2011 2:32 AM PDT reply actions  

good mock but why a fullback?

ol,ol, db, lb, te yes
now i have a question for everyone . since bill from the pats always likes to trade down, is it possible to get his /was ours/ draft pick in the 1st round? also we dont have to give him all draft picks this year meaning our 2nd pic this year and a 2nd or 3rd next year. do we need to be in the 1st round for an ol ???

by sports with steve on Apr 20, 2011 12:16 PM PDT reply actions  

no

i dont think it is worth it this year

by RyanTheRaider on Apr 20, 2011 12:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

Addressing needs in this draft

I totally agree with you on getting Wis as a OG replacement for Gallery. It is our biggest need. Bruce Campbell must play and produce this year. L. Walker is a FA and there’s no indication that he will be back. I think FA will need to be looked at to fill in the Right side of the line. Our coaching staff will evaluate if Campbell will be a better fit at RG or RT.
DB is a weak area that I think should have higher priority. Even more so if Nnamdi doesn’t return.
All of your other picks seems to be reaches. At safety, I think Branch and Mitchell can be starters and S. Brown can add dept. Eugene will be a back up. We can’t afford to draft another Safety in this draft when there’s more pressing need at CB.
OLB is a must and if we could get your man from Boston College later in the draft I’m fine with that.
TE is also another area we need to improve. Z. Miller will most likely be our starter, but dept has been weak. I’m thinking if our coaching staff will move M. Reece to more of a H-Back to utilize his catching and playmaking abilities.
A true blocking FB from the draft wouldn’t be bad at all since our success thrives off of our running game.
Instead of a late round QB, I rather grab another TE or DB. Our scout team isn’t the best and the guys who usually evaluate QB or horrible. We haven’t drafted an adaquate QB since Kenny Stabler. We’ll have better success grabbing a veteran FA QB with something left to prove.

by anhdazman on Apr 22, 2011 2:52 AM PDT reply actions  

We need both

truly, we need a RT, LG, and possibly a RG. Tackles are harder to come by in FA, so this should be our first pick.

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by Kwester421 on Apr 22, 2011 11:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

There won't be a T available at 48 that's worth our pick. So we take something else.

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by Sons-of-Blanda on Apr 23, 2011 3:16 AM PDT up reply actions  

agreed, hence,

if we sit still – Loper at LG, B Campbell at RG, and hopefully Mario can step at RT. If we want to pick an interesting tackle, we’ll need to trade up. My preference is to pick up an interior linemen at 48 with position flexibility RG, LG, and even center; sign a veteran RT; than address LB, potential CB/FS, ok to reach in later rounds for development projects.

by raiders4liffe on Apr 23, 2011 5:08 AM PDT up reply actions  

i like

Loper,Campbell,Walker,and a rookie battling it out for the guard positions.But we have no tackles besides Veldheer.

by RyanTheRaider on Apr 23, 2011 8:53 AM PDT up reply actions  

Mario, Walker, Barnes are all as good as Ijalanana and Henderson and Walder are better than Costanzo

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by Sons-of-Blanda on Apr 23, 2011 9:56 AM PDT up reply actions  

make that better than Ijalanana

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by Sons-of-Blanda on Apr 23, 2011 9:57 AM PDT up reply actions  

I like him a lot. If we don't take Kaepernick, he's my next choice

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by Sons-of-Blanda on Apr 23, 2011 11:45 AM PDT up reply actions  

I think Cannon could be a great RT

That would be a great value pick at 48

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by Kwester421 on Apr 23, 2011 10:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

So far nobody has mentioned Joseph Barksdale

as a tackle propect for us. Is it because he’s a 6"5" 325lb guy from LSU and he reminds us of another fat fuck that looked like a lineman, but was posing as a QB?
Barksdale gets pretty good marks from Walterfootball. com and could be available in the 5th round. They even project him as a possible NFL left tackle prospect and that’s more than you can say for a lot of the higher rated tackles in this draft.

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by rambis64 on Apr 23, 2011 12:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

Barksdale's Caveat Index isn't bad - he grew up in MoTown

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"I did the (2010) draft. ... I made a trade for Seymour. Gave up the first-rounder this year. I could tell you why. You may not think it was a good trade. I thought it was a great trade. Still do. [Al Davis 1/1911]

by Sons-of-Blanda on Apr 23, 2011 1:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

I've thought about Barksdale.

Only thing is that I’m not sure if he has the strength to play RT.

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by Screwfish on Apr 23, 2011 7:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

where we would be with the 48?

Presumably Cannon as Tackle or Wiz/Watkins as interior linemen if still on the board.

by raiders4liffe on Apr 25, 2011 10:51 AM PDT up reply actions  

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