NFL Draft 2011: Raiders LB Search—Mark Herzlich Edition
The 2011 NFL Draft is close, and I am cramming. We just got done with an intense look at safeties. We have posted on various offensive linemen. I think now is a good time to talk linebackers, and more specifically weakside linebackers.
Quentin Groves did an admirable job in his first year as a weakside linebacker, but he is not starter material. Travis Goethel got a lot more playing time as the season went on and he recovered from back surgery, but I didn't see enough from Goethel to feel comfortable handing him the job for the foreseeable future. I did see enough to not rule him either, but the dude did have back surgery, which could be problematic for a guy planning to make a career out of turning his body into a wrecking ball.
And that all adds up to a need for an infusion of talent. Ideally the Raiders will land a guy that is a sure tackler, solid in coverage and quick to the run. Pass rushing is not a big concern as the Raiders rarely send there linebackers on blitzes. Jump over to get this party started....
The name I have seen most commonly mentioned is Boston College's Mark Herzlich. So I'll start there. Sons posted earlier on linebackers and I will try to cover everyone discussed in that thread, please mention anoyone else in the comments, or put together a post, and I'll throw him in the closing poll. Also let me know if you have heard of any linebackers the Raiders have brought in for a visit or they worked out. I haven't seen one.
I am sure most of you know the story of Herzlich—it is an inspiring one. He was once considered a first-round talent. Then he was diagnosed with a rare form of bone cancer. Herzlich battled and learned he was cancer free in September 29, 2009. He took the field again in 2010 and now he is preparing for the draft.
Herzlich has solid size at 6'4" and 244 pounds. He is far from the fastest linebacker, and he was clocked at the Combine with a 4.92 40. He put up 29 reps on the bench, had a 32.5" vert and a 9'4" broad jump.
The folks at NFL.com give us some scouting insight into his talents:
"Herzlich has the physical tools, work ethic, character and toughness coveted by every NFL franchise. He displayed these traits not only in his triumph over cancer, but as a natural team leader on the field. Is a complete player against the run. Takes on and gets off blockers quickly and chases down plays all over the field. He can run with tight ends and backs, play in zone, and rush the quarterback. Some teams may continue to view his medical history as a red flag. Additionally, he needs a little polish with his tackling and production was down post-comeback as a senior. Still, Herzlich shouldn't last past the first few rounds."
Herzlich capped off his Senior season with an underwhelming performance in the Senior Bowl. Joel Welser of fftoolbox.com:
"The Senior Bowl was not good to Herzlich. He was too often easily blocked by running backs on blitz attempts. On top his of his poor pass rushing, Herzlich was also beat in coverage. Unfortunately, a player who was considered one of the best NFL prospects just a couple years ago has slipped to the second round and is now falling even further."
He is mentioned now as a third to sixth-round player. And while the Senior Bowl highlighted some real risks with this pick he also comes with a tremendous high side.
Teddy Bruschi in the USA Today:
"That first year back—especially after going through what he went through—he got his feet wet. His best football is going to be next year and in the next two years because of Mark getting that comeback season under his belt when you have to deal with a lot of things physically and mentally.
"He'll have even more confidence and more ability his rookie season."
If Herzlich can battle back to his previous physical form he will be one of the steals of this draft. There is no question that he is going to work hard to get there, and it is hard to imagine an easier guy to root for. His talents are a solid fit for the Raiders, although he may struggle in man coverage. I'll let the National Football Post and then Herzlich himself take us out.
"Does a nice job quickly getting out of his breaks and cleanly closing on the football in zone. Now, lacks an elite initial burst when asked to click and close on the throw and isn't a guy who can consistently make plays in man....
"Now, isn't the most nimble of athletes and will struggle to break down on shifty ball carriers in space, but uses his length well and simply finds a way to get his man on the ground. Does a nice job when asked to set the edge and anchor on perimeter runs. However, he isn't a real consistent stack and shed guy. Doesn't possess a great punch/pop on contact when trying to shed and can be sealed at times from the play."
There are more vids of Herzlich with traditional camera angles, but this is pretty cool.
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Was just thinking Noon
What would you think if you visited the teams sites for the players your eval, and ask for opinions and such from the fans> ? :D
By the way, Herzlich is a monster. He was a sure fire first rounder until he had his illness. There is no doubt in my mind that herzlich will be dominant with us if we draft him.
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
That is a fantastic idea, and one that was in deepest consideration
But given the amount of prospects I wanted to skip it due to time constraints and save that for after the draft. And there will be plenty of time to do all kinds of things then.
I'm a freaky streaker like Winnie the Pooh—T-shirt, no pants and I dance the boog-a-loo
by Rich Langford on Apr 23, 2011 12:15 PM PDT up reply actions
Agreed then.
Thanks for making these posts by the way. Great work here.
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
Taking Herzlich's in the 4th round would be on par with Jacoby = huge value that satisfies a great need
S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
"I did the (2010) draft. ... I made a trade for Seymour. Gave up the first-rounder this year. I could tell you why. You may not think it was a good trade. I thought it was a great trade. Still do. [Al Davis 1/1911]
Not as high on Herzlich as everyone else
I understand that Herzlich was productive in college and has all of the intangibles, but our greatest LB need is at weakside linebacker, and Herzlich simply isn’t cut out for that position.
4.92 40 time? Are you kidding me? We’ve got offensive lineman who can run faster than that. WLB has to be the fastest LB on the field because their main duties are pass coverage and chasing down runs from the back-end. By comparison, Travis Goethel, at a similar size and weight, ran 4.58 and 4.62. Thomas Howard ran a 4.42 at 6-3 240lb.
However, if the Raiders coaching staff is a believer and sees something I don’t, I’m fine with it so long as its in the 4th or later. If the Raiders are taking a LB in the 3rd it had better be someone like Bruce Carter.
"When we play tough, and we play physical, and when we play the way we're supposed to play, can't nobody beat us." - Richard "SeaMonster" Seymour
by LiveAdam on Apr 23, 2011 8:30 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
I'd be very surprised if we took a LB before the 4th. Reviewing Chief game film, Groves is on the Strong Side, Wimbley WS
It’s the Strong TE side that needs help most and Herzlich could usurp Groves in short order being a student of the game and a born LB natural.
S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
"I did the (2010) draft. ... I made a trade for Seymour. Gave up the first-rounder this year. I could tell you why. You may not think it was a good trade. I thought it was a great trade. Still do. [Al Davis 1/1911]
by Sons-of-Blanda on Apr 23, 2011 8:51 AM PDT up reply actions
Primary LB positions
I still think Wimbley played at SLB much more than WLB. Goethel was supposed to be the starting WLB last season, but his back injury forced Groves to play there for most of the season. Wimbley makes most of his plays as a nickel DE anyway, it would be nice to get a few guys who can push for those OLB positions.
"When we play tough, and we play physical, and when we play the way we're supposed to play, can't nobody beat us." - Richard "SeaMonster" Seymour
I completely agree with this.
The Raiders need to get a linebacker that has a solid all-around skill set.
I'm a freaky streaker like Winnie the Pooh—T-shirt, no pants and I dance the boog-a-loo
by Rich Langford on Apr 23, 2011 12:18 PM PDT up reply actions
Love Herzlich and think he's going to be great for someone once he get's back to game speed
and I hope it’s us. The Raiders however, might be scared of his lack of speed right now.
Let’s take a look at Mason Foster in this review of linebackers.
"Now I know what your thinking, did he fire six shots or only five. Ive forgotten myself in all this excitement, but being that this is the 44 magnum, the most powerful handgun in the world and could blow your head clean off, you have to ask your question. Do I feel lucky? Well do ya punk!"
Dirty Harry Callahan
Unlike Matthews and Herzlich who could fall to us in the 4th, Mason is solid 3rd round. Do we use our 2nd pick for another LB?
Depends on what we do in the 2nd round. If we go QB, we should go OL in the 3rd. If we go with Cannon or Wiz in the 2nd, we could take Foster in the 3rd.
S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
"I did the (2010) draft. ... I made a trade for Seymour. Gave up the first-rounder this year. I could tell you why. You may not think it was a good trade. I thought it was a great trade. Still do. [Al Davis 1/1911]
by Sons-of-Blanda on Apr 23, 2011 11:55 AM PDT up reply actions
Draft needs
I would say our biggest draft needs are OL, DB, and OLB. The Raiders should find as much value in the 2nd, 3rd, and 4th round as possible with these positions in mind.
"When we play tough, and we play physical, and when we play the way we're supposed to play, can't nobody beat us." - Richard "SeaMonster" Seymour
if we went with your last scenario
we’d have to hope either Jarrett or Sands falls to the forth round.
"Now I know what your thinking, did he fire six shots or only five. Ive forgotten myself in all this excitement, but being that this is the 44 magnum, the most powerful handgun in the world and could blow your head clean off, you have to ask your question. Do I feel lucky? Well do ya punk!"
Dirty Harry Callahan
Jarrett may make it to the 4th due to size concerns (which don't trouble me at all). But we'd need to trade up a ways
S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
"I did the (2010) draft. ... I made a trade for Seymour. Gave up the first-rounder this year. I could tell you why. You may not think it was a good trade. I thought it was a great trade. Still do. [Al Davis 1/1911]
by Sons-of-Blanda on Apr 23, 2011 2:14 PM PDT up reply actions
Ask and ye shall receive
I'm a freaky streaker like Winnie the Pooh—T-shirt, no pants and I dance the boog-a-loo
by Rich Langford on Apr 23, 2011 12:19 PM PDT up reply actions
Can we haz football next year? o.o
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP

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