"What is The Nation's Opinion on Cam "The Icon" Newton?"
by Marcus Allen Krause on Apr 5, 2011 2:25 PM PDT
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PrintI would like to start off this post by saying there really is not a chance for the Raiders to get Cam Newton. After Jamarcus "Purple Drank" Russell, I don't think that is such a negative thing. I am posting this to get the Nation's opinion of the Pro Football Weekly scouting report that had been much discussed for the last week. You know, the one where because a white writer spoke extremely negative about a black quarterback's personal shortcomings he was pretty much automatically deemed a racist. I want to know what Silver and Black Pride thinks about this whole thing. Do you think race was a motivating reason for this criticism? Was it an unfair evaluation of his personality? Do you think he was correct in his critique of Cam? Tell me people! I want to know! I want to know right freakin now! Well I don't really want to know that bad, I am just bored as hell and found the whole controversy fairly amusing and extremely annoying. Mostly because of some of the morons that blog on NFL.com. This blog has real intelligence but most of the people on NFL.com are just plain stupid. Sorry.
My opinion of the scouting report, which was written by Nolan Nawrocki, is that it was very harsh, but not racially motivated. I also believe that he was spot on for parts of the report, and out of line on other parts. I have never heard a scouting report say that somebody had a "fake smile" nor that the player "played to the cameras". That part does seem out of line, harsh, and pretty much irrelevant. I think that it was written by this guy because he was just rubbed the wrong way by Cam's personality. I don't believe that if Cam was white that this report would have been any different. The guy was completely surrounded by controversy his whole career. It is fair to say there are significant character concerns. I know the NFL doesn't really care if a college player accepted money, but to say with a straight face that you had no knowledge that your father was shopping your talents around to the highest bidder is ridiculous. Hey Dad, where did you get that beautiful new house? Why did you want me to go to Auburn, by the way?
Now for some specific parts of the report. First off, of course Cam has an enormous Ego. You would have to be blind not to notice that, so why is he so wrong for pointing it out? He is not saying its something that is going to make him a failure, he is saying that it could have a negative impact. How is that not true? "Has a selfish attitude that invites trouble". Well, he was always in trouble for something or another and he certainly seems to have a me first attitude. I agree that you should know the real person before you make that critique though, even if all available evidence points that it is true. "Only a one-year producer. Lacks accountability, focus and trustworthiness — is not punctual, seeks shortcuts and sets a bad example. Immature and has had issues with authority." Would you say that he took any responsibility and accountability in any of the controversies linked to him? He did not even get in trouble for the stolen laptop or the pay for play scheme, and refused to acknowledge that he knew what his dad was doing. Totally accountable there! YEAH RIGHT. Even his major supporter Warren Moon did not have a defense against the punctuality claim. Was he only a One year producer? Let me check, Yep. Would you really trust this guy not to continue to make mistakes? That is totally a judgment call but I wouldn't invest millions in this guy out of trust. Lacks leadership I do tend to discount at least a little though, considering all the controversies that happened in his tenure at Auburn. For them to still win the championship shows at least some leadership on his part. If not by words, by his own play.
The thing that really pissed me off though is Warren Moon playing the race card here. I mean seriously?! There are legitimate concerns that Nolan is addressing here. I agree not all of it is relevant in the long run, but its not like he is way out in left field on it! Then all the arguments on NFL.com against this report say that the WHITE qbs that came out in the draft last year from spread offenses didn't go through this type of criticism. What do you mean they didn't? Colt McCoy fell all the way to the 3rd round because he came from a spread offense. Sam Bradford hit 49 out of 50 passes in his pro-day, and people still questioned if he could play under center. Tim Tebow, the criticism he received speaks for itself. They all had major points of criticism that they met face on and overcame, same as Cam will have the chance to do. I admit none of them had "fake smile" or "very disingenuous" in their scouting report, but Cam does come off as totally scripted on every interview I have ever seen on him. It is as if he was prepped for this his whole life. That is not a problem in my book though, as far as I am concerned he is above the curve for an NFL qb in that aspect.
To disregard the legitimate comments that Nolan made, although harsh they are legitimate to me, and just say he is only saying this because Cam is black is ignorant to me. Nawrocki says very gracious things about Cam's talents. He speaks very highly of his physical tools and physique. The only thing that hit the media was the negative comments but that was not the only thing in the report. Just because his opinion is harsh, it does not make him a racist. I don't like what I have seen out of Cam Newton either, does that now make me a racist now, too? Yes, you went through a lot of horrible treatment on your way to a very impressive hall of fame career Mr. Moon. However, to give this kid a free run on the mistakes he has made and say they are only being said because he is black is a disservice to Cam. Let him face this and over come it based off of his abilities. Let him show if he is a good person or not. I will tell you this, If Cam is another Jamarcus Russell, he isn't going to look nearly as bad about all this pre-draft criticism as Warren Moon is going to. Let me know what you think Nation!
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I like Newton's game.
He reminds me of pre-injury Danute Culpepper. That is, massive arm, athletic enough to evade the rush and big enough to take a hit. I think he’ll do well in the NFL if he goes to the right team. (Buffalo would be a better situation for him than Carolina by far).
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Maybe Denver will take him, it wouldn't bother me to watch them become more disfunctional
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"I did the (2010) draft. ... I made a trade for Seymour. Gave up the first-rounder this year. I could tell you why. You may not think it was a good trade. I thought it was a great trade. Still do. [Al Davis 1/1911]
God I hope not.
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He'll knock you round and upside down
And laugh when he's conquered and won.
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Interesting that Elway has already committed them to seriously taking a QB in the draft...
They wont get Newton but Mallet, your guy Kaopernick, and Locker may be in their radar. Not a lot of confidence in Tebow at this point. I don’t see him reaching any higher than #2 on any depth chart.
The cowards never started, the weak died along the way....
by BlackHeartSilverEyes on Apr 6, 2011 5:52 AM PDT up reply actions
Nope
Al Davis believes that Campbell is a late bloomer in the mold of Jim Plunkett, so this will not happen. You have to listen to the words that come out of Al Davis’ mouth.
Whew, that's right!
… long live Al.
S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
"I did the (2010) draft. ... I made a trade for Seymour. Gave up the first-rounder this year. I could tell you why. You may not think it was a good trade. I thought it was a great trade. Still do. [Al Davis 1/1911]
by Sons-of-Blanda on Apr 5, 2011 5:36 PM PDT up reply actions
It will be a sad sad
day when Al passes
by RyanTheRaider on Apr 5, 2011 7:30 PM PDT up reply actions
In my gut, I don't like this person ... or his hat
S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
"I did the (2010) draft. ... I made a trade for Seymour. Gave up the first-rounder this year. I could tell you why. You may not think it was a good trade. I thought it was a great trade. Still do. [Al Davis 1/1911]
i have to agree with you SOB
he seems like a con artist/potential rapist.
on another note i wouldn’t mind seeing us take Locker in the second if he falls.
I know absolutely nothing about this guy but if he is fast I say sign him up.
That's what She-Will Said.
I think it's about time we all just agreed that NaS is the greatest of all-time.
He looked like shit for sure. His stock dropped I believe.
The cowards never started, the weak died along the way....
by BlackHeartSilverEyes on Apr 6, 2011 8:30 AM PDT up reply actions
not just at the combine
his 4 years at Washington he had a completion % of 47.3,53.8,58.2,and his last year 55.4. Thats horrible, i would rather have the division II kid from Hillsdale who had a 76.9 completion %, and he would be a UDFA we could get easily with Veldheer on our roster.
by RyanTheRaider on Apr 6, 2011 8:46 AM PDT up reply actions
Yeah. Screw him, his hat, and the horse he rode in on
For all we know, he’s another Jamarcus. While I don’t think this will be the case, I still say avoid him like he’s on the sizzurp.
"The only yardstick for success our society has is being a champion. No one remembers anything else."--John Madden
""The massive Raider Nation is beyond doubt the sleaziest and rudest and most sinister mob of thugs and wackos ever assembled."--Hunter S. Thompson
Every youngster coming out of the draft these days
Seems to have some “entitlement” issues. I mentioned before Tebow ever played a down, that the scrambling and delays in the backfield is going to get him killed/humbled because of the speed on NFL’s defensive lines. I respect Tebow only because he works so damn hard and will do anything for his team-mates including change his game to better suit his team. I just don’t see Cam Newton’s ego willing to make the necessary adjustments it’s going to take for him to succeed at the next level. We’ve all seen what happens to college standouts who rely soley on their athleticism and talent when making the transition (Jamarcus, Leinart, etc). And by the way, Warren Moon is a complete fucktard.
"I'm surrounded by assholes. Keep firing, assholes!"
I think it's a little sad that race has been thrown into this.
Firstly, I don’t like Newton. All his shenanigans aside (laptops, dad’s money games, etc), he strikes me as a sleezy car salesman type, with a massive sense of entitlement, and a complete lack of integrity. Like “Joe Izuzu”, with a football. Whether or not this belongs in a scouting report is subject to debate, but with the massive sum of money somebody is about to throw his way I’d say it’s definitely a factor. His future teammates are likely to see through his facade respond negatively, and as a QB he must command respect from his team. His physical abilities are amazing, but personally I think he’s a dirtbag. And I’m comfortable saying that race had little or nothing to do with the scouting report, but I guess only Nawrocki really knows.
"You can't Appoint, Hire, or Declare Leadership" ~ Sonny Barger
Warren Moon's comments following Nawrocki's report ignited that, and it's how he perceives it.
And the reactions he garners also depend on how Moon is perceived by the reader as well. There’s no way to get around race anymore. It’s a matter of perspective and experience. I didn’t care too much for Moon as a QB back in the days when we played against him, and I’m not a fan now. He may have the ethos as a black athlete who played the game, but maybe he should have had a private discussion with Nawrocki before making his own comments. Newton, as has been mentioned before this comment, is perceived as a douchey brat who feels entitled and made some seriously stupid and immature comments that turned a lot of people off. For me it has nothing to do with his race…in my experience someone with his skills yet lack of responsibility and integrity are set up for failure. Todd Marinovich fit that mold in the early 90’s. He was a legacy as his dad was a Raider for a day, was boosted by the press, described as the new prototype player and touted as the next Stabler. He was a miserable failure. His dad had a lot to do with his attitude and so does Newton’s. Newton’s dad has instilled this feeling of entitlement, his ‘iconic’ status (in his own mind) and he will probably be a hold out like Jafuckface as well in that no contract will be big enough, and I pity that team.
I wouldnt ever bet on Davis, for how many years he has left, ever making the mistake he made with Russell.
The cowards never started, the weak died along the way....
by BlackHeartSilverEyes on Apr 6, 2011 10:21 AM PDT up reply actions
If I was a scout I'd really piss off Warren Moon.
I’d also add to Newton’s downside that only 1 black QB has won a Super Bowl. Not racist. It’s fact.
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by golfswithglock on Apr 6, 2011 11:03 AM PDT up reply actions
I just dont get why Moon is HOF and Plunkett isnt?..Talk about fucktardedness...
The cowards never started, the weak died along the way....
by BlackHeartSilverEyes on Apr 6, 2011 12:21 PM PDT up reply actions
Putting Plunkett in the Super Bowl before Moon would be like saying Dilfer deserves a HOF induction over Marino
Our O-line had just as much to do with those last two SB rings as Plunkett did. Stabler and Gannon would deserve a nod over Plunkett too. They were both more consistent over a longer period of time and had a larger contribution to their teams’ success.
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by Raider Zealot on Apr 11, 2011 1:04 PM PDT up reply actions
+1...Especially Dave Dalby...outstanding C for 3 SB wins.
The cowards never started, the weak died along the way....
by BlackHeartSilverEyes on Apr 11, 2011 5:40 PM PDT up reply actions
Like Moon enough as a player, but he's way off there. Nawrocki defended his statements, and race had nothing to do with them
He had the same criticisms last year of Clausen and others, very white. This year Gabbert and Locker and others are under the same scrutiny. I can’t stand when people throw race into situations it really has no place.
You’re right, that it’s inescapable nowadays, but when they’re wrong, they’re wrong.
"The only yardstick for success our society has is being a champion. No one remembers anything else."--John Madden
""The massive Raider Nation is beyond doubt the sleaziest and rudest and most sinister mob of thugs and wackos ever assembled."--Hunter S. Thompson
the only real issue
that makes it noteworthy is he’s now evaluating smiles, hence, Nawrocki can defend his statements all he wants but it’s still ridiculous to write on any level. Does that make it racist? It leaves a question mark. Cam is not the first nor the last player to take money from a school; he’s simply had a weak entourage who pushed the envelope. For the NFL, it’s a non-issue regardless of what the communication department says to the press. His biggest sin is the laptop issue and tardiness. I would venture to say that tardiness demonstrates his biggest question mark as the hours and urgency that you put in will have a direct correlation with production at the next level. If after speaking to the qb coach, previous jr college coach, his work ethic doesn’t come in as pristine, you have to pass on him if you’re in the top 15. It’s simply too much money. Matt Ryan’s arm was considered average coming out but his work ethic is unsurpassed. Games are won Monday thru Wednesday with preparation and motivation. However, some players are simply too good to pass up as they bring it on Sundays no matter what – Dion neon prime time Sanders, Bo Jackson, even Alzado who was to banged to train during the week. You pick Cam in the 2nd round, give an incentive heavy contract, and hope that he’s hungry.
by raiders4liffe on Apr 8, 2011 7:18 AM PDT up reply actions
I do agree that it was a pretty silly thing to bring up the guys smile
I really do think it was only brought up to emphasize that he was untrustworthy though. That was his main point of contention. Nolan doesnt think he is trustworthy and thats y something as stupid as his smile was brought up, but i do think that part was just stupid of the guy. Not racially motivated though, I just do not buy that. If that was Stephen A Smith saying it then it wouldnt be a problem at all, itd just have been a stupid critique which i really what it was with Nolan too. Just stupid.
by Marcus Allen Krause on Apr 8, 2011 8:29 AM PDT up reply actions
There were also a lot of good things said in that analysis, too.
I think Jamarcus’ smile was fake too. Along with his plastic cup that says “It’s only kool-aid” in sharpie on it.
"I'm surrounded by assholes. Keep firing, assholes!"
by golfswithglock on Apr 8, 2011 9:02 AM PDT up reply actions
And that's why such things are to be taken with a grain of salt...
The good analysis, in my eyes very accurate, is in the tangible things he has said, and only those, bear repeating. The statements about his smile, while having zero bearing on how good a player he is, are the biggest reasons teams speculating about his behaviors which they observe in interviews and workouts, cause for the most movement in the final weeks approaching the draft.
With the amount of scratch flushed down the toilet on Jafatfuck, we should thank him for that, if nothing else.
If he gets ten percent over what top qbs are getting, you’re talking about monumental risk there. There’s a chance, a new agreement has him getting much less guaranteed, in which case, more teams will assume a lesser risk, but you can be sure, many will look for reasons not to take him as quickly as they become enamored with his ability to throw in shorts.
"The only yardstick for success our society has is being a champion. No one remembers anything else."--John Madden
""The massive Raider Nation is beyond doubt the sleaziest and rudest and most sinister mob of thugs and wackos ever assembled."--Hunter S. Thompson
Not saying im for it !!!
But it could work. Cambell being able to teach a Alumni might help him them both in the maturation process. In 2 years Coach Jacksons system should be in full effect, in 2 years Cambell should be a back up QB, and in 2 years of learning behind Cambell….in the same system….with all his issues out of the spot light, Cam Newton could become a great Raider QB. Still would’nt like the draft trade. Cant say that its worth the setbacks.
QBs
are the highest profile players on every team, that’s the deal. You get the fame and the blame. Now some of you have questioned my observation in the past and recently with Mario getting stopped that I was pulling the race card with cops. Fact is, I’m not crazy about cops and their misplaced arrogance/tactics. Regarding Cam, I think that Moon was too direct in his charge to have any positive effect; all he should have done is simply ask “why are we talking about his smile? We didn’t question Tebow’s smile last year, only his throwing mechanic. Cam like Tebow has won both a Heisman and National Championship, why are we talking about Cam’s leadership capabilities? Winners are hard to come by, I hope this writer doesn’t have a double standard that I faced coming out 25 years ago”. In my opinion, that’s all he had to say; now everyone is defensive and tripping to mention all the black friends they have and how much they like soul food and how the world is such a great place. Back to Cam – is he that much more verbal than Rivers or Big Ben or Favre were coming out? QBs are always under intense scrutiny at this time of the year as team fabricate stories in the hope of dropping players to their lap or faking who they really like. We just got burned badly from QB with no name but let’s pretend that Cam is a different person. Cam is a 1st round pick. Let’s believe that there’s a new rookie cap, hence, your not saddle with a contract, he’s a top 5 pick. Now from a maturity perspective, the biggest concern that I would have is simply, given a load of cash, is he still going to be first in, last out, work at all cost? How do you handle fame and money after success – Joe Namath/ McMahon (I know injuries) had a hard time with it but so did my poster boy Fat Albert. On the other hand, Doug Williams, the player the Raiders should have picked up for Latchey instead of Jay Schroeder, thrived on it but even after winning and being the SB MVP, Williams never fully received the recognition that he earned. Why is that? If you need a QB, Cam is your pick; if he drops to the 2nd round, it’s a no brainer, even if you have a starter. Is race removed from the NFL? All we need to do is look at McNabb – booed to no end on draft day by the Philly fans and went on about his business to be the third highest winning percentage behind Peyton and Brady among active players; 1st QB to pass for 30 TDs with fewer than 10 int in a season; over 36,000 career passing yards; SB appearance. Why is there a debate if he belongs to the hall of fame? Just saying and those are facts.
Some things I would point out...
I don’t think anyone cares about how verbal Newton is, and to be honest, him sounding scripted is an asinine concern. He would be foolish not to have someone helping him along. One of the things Newton has been criticized for already is punctuality, meaning he probably isn’t the “First in, last out” guy. Also, I’m not sure Williams was on the block at all when the Schroeder/Latchey trade went down (likely because he won the Super Bowl). As far as McNabb goes, fans in Philly cannot possibly represent the majority of NFL fans, as the vast majority of us have never booed or thrown anything at Santa Clause. Given time, McNabb will surely be in Canton.
Newton being black doesn’t make him a risky NFL prospect. Newton being an irresponsible (seeming), entitled (allegedly), spoiled brat (in my opinion) who never seems to face any real repercussions for his actions does. I hope I’m wrong, and I hope he goes on to have a long and illustrious career as an NFL quarterback (Except when he plays the Raiders, in which case I hope he channels his inner JaLunchbox), but I’m thinking crow won’t be on the menu this time. Honestly, Cam Newton could look like a tall Papa Smurf, and despite my great love for the real Mr. Smurf, he would still be a tool.
"You can't Appoint, Hire, or Declare Leadership" ~ Sonny Barger
I agree its absurd that Mcnabb is being questioned for the HOF but thats right now. When he is eligible he will be in.
However anybody other than Dan Marino who did not win a superbowl is going to be questioned on if they belong in the Hall. If Mcnabb had won a SB there would be no question. As for your opinion on Warren Moon, you cant just simplify it like that. If you want to simplify it than it gets simplified as him saying he is only dealing with this because he is black. Thats not true at all! The problems he has been involved with are not normal for any 1st round pick and should be questioned and his integrity and character SHOULD be questioned. He will get his chance to answer those questions but they should be there. IF it was Tebow that had a pay for play scheme and stole a laptop than these questions would have been raised about him, instead he had to deal with the mechanic issues and whether or not veterans would be ok with a guy who has done nothing and is likely to do nothing in the NFL being a superstar right when he steps foot on the field. Mcnabb dealt with pleny of racism from the philly fans but they are horrible to everybody, thats what you get in Philly! As for the people questioning Cams leadership abilities i agree that he has to have had some leadership but Jafatass won a championship in college too, and so did matt leinert, they are two of the worst leaders ever so those trophies to me really dont mean shit. The comments about people tripping over look at all my black friends and i love soul food are racist though and not needed. White people get mad about racist comments too its just that our Race deserves to have some comments made about them for what we have done and for what many of us still say and do but that doesnt mean that we cant get mad at somebody for saying we are only criticizing somebody over race. Newton deserves to be criticized for the stuff he pulled in college. The fake smile stuff is bullshit and the scripted stuff is bullshit but he only said them to point out the un-trustworthiness of Newton for the problems that he has been a part of. Harsh and stupid comments but they were not anything to do with race, i dont care if we didnt question Tim Tebows smile, his actions backed his personality where as Newtons are very inconsistent between what he has done and what he says.
by Marcus Allen Krause on Apr 6, 2011 12:19 PM PDT up reply actions
I fully agree
with cam’s character questions, particularly when top 5 picks get that kind of money but the fake smile was a ridiculous comment. Moon was too forward in his rebuttal to the point of losing credibility and objectivity. Moon’s job is getting the kid drafted as high as possible and going hard backfired. It’s as simple as that.
Now question to the Nation, if Mallet drops to 48, should we take him? Given our history with can’t miss QBs – Todd Maryjane, QB with no name, Andrew Walters, Marc Wilson, etc. If we have problem with Death Ro’s interview skill set, just imagine Mallet inabilities of putting a coherent rebuttal. Also, this goes to the heart of our drafting strategy – reach for a position draft, ie, OL at all cost regardless of who’s been taken or best value available regardless of position.
by raiders4liffe on Apr 7, 2011 1:13 AM PDT up reply actions
No to Mallet. If we took a QB, Kaepernick or Weatherhead ... but I'd rather not go QB this draft
S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
"I did the (2010) draft. ... I made a trade for Seymour. Gave up the first-rounder this year. I could tell you why. You may not think it was a good trade. I thought it was a great trade. Still do. [Al Davis 1/1911]
by Sons-of-Blanda on Apr 7, 2011 7:46 AM PDT up reply actions
Agreed.
If we’re gonna keep Boller, let’s get him all the attention we’d give a project QB.
"I'm surrounded by assholes. Keep firing, assholes!"
by golfswithglock on Apr 7, 2011 8:44 AM PDT up reply actions
yeah i can agree with that for sure, moon lost objectivity fully
I wouldn’t mind mallet but id rather kaepoernik (however u spell that name). I love his mobility and arm. kinda reminds me or aaron rodgers, but one that runs more
by Marcus Allen Krause on Apr 7, 2011 9:13 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
I dont see your argument about Willams never receiving his due post SB.
I was stationed in Norfolk/Little Creek when the Skins won that SB and down here (in Virginia Beach) he was a fucking hero. The papers were full of him and so were the local radio shows. From here all the way to the beltway was Skins country (pre-Ravens) and it was sickening how much they played their goofy team song on the radio and chatted up Williams, especially to a Raider’s fan here. But who and what QB holds onto that fame very long? The game was over, I think he set some records too, and then the ProBowl…then the draft…then it’s the cycle all over again. What did you want? A coronation? To make a huge deal out of the fact he was a QB of color? Did the latino community bitch and piss and moan when Plunkett wasnt on the front page every day? I dont get what youre getting at with Doug Williams not being recognized. Here in Skins country he was a hero. But that only lasts season to season. You have to ask yourself how effective Williams was the next season. McMahon won a SB and had a savvy knack for self promotion…he wasnt placed on a pedestal. He was a flash in the Football pan. Williams was always a very self aware guy and when he retired and went on to coach in school he kept a low profile. He wasnt a self promoting asshat, thankfully, that Deion Sanders or Mark Gastineau was.
The cowards never started, the weak died along the way....
by BlackHeartSilverEyes on Apr 6, 2011 12:43 PM PDT up reply actions
Williams wasn't recognized outside
of ‘Skins country and sure as hell wasn’t recognized in Tampa Bay where he was paid, after taking the Bucs to their first playoff game, $120,000 the lowest salary for any starter by far and actually behind 12 backups. Perhaps he didn’t play the marketing game well enough but to fail to see a double standard as a starting QB is naive.
by raiders4liffe on Apr 7, 2011 12:55 AM PDT up reply actions
Tell me how many people nation wide recognized Dilfer post Ravens victory?
Winning QBs are regional..like local politics, and to not understand that is naive. The Bucs, back in those days, were the laughing stock of the NFL and the owner was a skinflint who didnt pay anybody shit, no matter who they were. Was Steve Young, during his tenure there recognized outside of Tampon Bay as anything but a loser?
Yea, there’s a double standard…play for a shit team in a weak television market and no one knows who you are. So I dont see your argument as having any merit that he was ‘snubbed’ as a result of his color, which is what youre saying.
Doug Williams had a lot of class, and that one seriously excellent year where he rose to the top, but he wasnt a self promoting dickhead. His post NFL life is a testament to that. Not too many have that.
The cowards never started, the weak died along the way....
by BlackHeartSilverEyes on Apr 7, 2011 3:56 AM PDT up reply actions
Fact is, I’m not crazy about cops and their misplaced arrogance/tactics
That in itself is “profiling”. There are a lot of great cops out there.
"I'm surrounded by assholes. Keep firing, assholes!"
I'll take it easy on the cops
when they stop arresting our players for loud music
by raiders4liffe on Apr 7, 2011 12:41 AM PDT up reply actions
It's a noise ordinance violation.
It’s against the law. Our players should be adult enough to turn that shit down in residential and heavy populated areas. And when confronted by law enforcement, be respectful and cooperative. The arresting officers followed procedure to a “T”. He was arrested for possessing a controlled substance without a legal prescription. A big problem in this country today. Not weed, not coke, not crack. Prescription narotics and prescription drugs are being trafficed (spelling) at an alarming rate. I guess Jamarcus did nothing wrong either, huh?
"I'm surrounded by assholes. Keep firing, assholes!"
by golfswithglock on Apr 7, 2011 5:02 AM PDT up reply actions
Yeah many cops profile and thats bullshit but it doesnt mean all do. Most are overly aggressive and power crazy to begin with though, hence becoming a cop is a natural fit.
just cuz most are assholes though doesnt mean all of them are.
by Marcus Allen Krause on Apr 6, 2011 12:22 PM PDT reply actions
It's not profiling when you notice somebody breaking the law.
The officers were probably a block away when they heard the noise. It wouldn’t have mattered if they were black, white, whatever. Turn that shit down.
"I'm surrounded by assholes. Keep firing, assholes!"
by golfswithglock on Apr 7, 2011 5:03 AM PDT up reply actions
yeah i agree its not profiling in this case, just saying it exists
if u get pulled over don’t refusse to give the guy ur license or ur gauranteeing ur going to be searched
by Marcus Allen Krause on Apr 7, 2011 9:10 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Yup.
You have 5 seconds to comply. Then it’s taser time.
"I'm surrounded by assholes. Keep firing, assholes!"
by golfswithglock on Apr 7, 2011 9:37 AM PDT up reply actions
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- Robert Griffin III will be first NFL player with Roman numerals on his jersey
- Alex Smith joins the burgeoning ‘stats are for losers’ movement
