NFL Lockout: The Oakland Raiders Are Falling Behind
by Rich Langford on May 4, 2011 8:45 AM PDT
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I don't know if you know this or not, but the Oakland Raiders are in a NFL lockout right now. Yes, it is a major bummer, but some players have not let that stop them from attacking business as usual. And business as usual for this time of year is OTAs and mini-camps.
*Update: Michael Bush via his Twitter account: "I dont care about da saints workin out people please stop sending me that da raider players are taking care of business as well n other ways."
Yesterday it was reported by our friends at Blogging the Boys passed along the news that the Dallas Cowboys held a two-hour players only workout that was attended by 40-45 players. The workouts were organized by Tony Romo, Jason Witten and DeMarcus Ware.
This number topped the 37 Saints players that the Canal Street Chronicles reported showing up for a player only workout organized by Drew Brees. Also, according to the CSC, the Falcons, Dolphins, Buccaneers and Giants have had similar workouts. The Sacremento Bee reported that Mark Sanchez organized workouts for Jets players, Brian Dawkins for Broncos players, and Colt McCoy hosted Browns players to workout with him in Texas.
I have seen Tim Tebow saying he was planning on working out with Broncos players and Larry Fitzgerald has been hosting workouts with a bunch of players from various teams. So, what's missing from all of this? Raiders, that's what. I haven't seen one mention of a Raider working out with anyone. Well, except for the tweet by ESPN radio host, Ben Rogers, that Michael Huff was working out with some Dallas Cowboys. Take the jump to join my frustration....
The Raiders lay in the majority of teams that don't have reports of player organized workouts, but that's not going to stop me from saying they need to. Besides preparing for the season it shows strong and devoted leadership. Here is the Cowboys Keith Brooking's thoughts:
"Your leaders can step up, it's a great time for them to be really strong examples for your team and come together. It's just players out there. We're going to be coaching each other, we're going to be out there practicing together, so it's going to be a good time for us. It can make us all better. It's a little unusual, it's a little different, but I think if you handle it the right way - and I think that we're doing that here - it can be a time where you grow the team and get better."
Where are the Raiders leaders? Richard Seymour, Rolando McClain Darren McFadden and Jason Campbell need to get on the horn and get their teammates together. If they can't get together in a large group how about smaller specified groups.
I want to hear that DHB, Jacoby Ford, Louis Murphy and Chaz Schilens have moved in with Jason Campbell. Wait, on second thought, maybe Louis Murphy doesn't need to room with a bunch of dudes. That's just going to get awkward for someone with a Viagra addiction. And for that matter Chaz should probably just spend all off-season in a hyperbaric chamber. But DHB and Ford should definitely be there going long for footballs, BBQ sauce, remote controls, cell phones and whatever else they get their hands on.
Granted, it is easy for me to sit here and say this. An organized event like this would take a higher level of planning and cost than any of these guys are used to. Not too mention they are used to be getting paid for these things, and they are used to having their medical insurance paid for.
What if there is a freak accident and someone blows out their knee? The risk is there, but other players are taking it, and I want the guys I root for to be the one's itching to improve. I am certainly not going to blame a player not under contract for not going, but I want to see the rest of the guys out there working.
Hopefully guys are working out on their own, and behind the scenes (especially you Tommy Kelly). I'll never forget the last NBA lockout. I watched Shawn Kemp return to my beloved Sonics (RIP) from the lockout with about 10 extra pounds, 5 less inches of vert, a bigger drug habit and about 87 more illegitimate children. He was never the same.
The Raiders have made an effort to bring in higher-character and harder-working individuals. Let's hope that is paying off right now.
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Leaders?! did you say. We have one leader, Richard Seymour and used to have another, Bruce Gradkowski
Jason doesn’t like football and Ro was a rookie last year who had decent, but not remarkable, season. DMC, like Nnamdi, leads by example, not too vocal. Al has assembled many fine he-goats in need of a shepherd.
S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
"I did the (2010) draft. ... I made a trade for Seymour. Gave up the first-rounder this year. I could tell you why. You may not think it was a good trade. I thought it was a great trade. Still do. [Al Davis 1/1911]
^Thank you.
Where is our beloved quarterback when he doesn’t have Al or Hue sticking up for him. Jason could go until November without practing with his team and all of you would be like “Well let’s give him another year to develope he’s only 30” Or my personal favorite of the Jason Campbell book of excuses " Well he hasn’t spent more then a year in the same offense". He fits best in our system being a drop back QB and not a west coast one but he is still average on his best day.
+1
BEING 8-8 IS OK "IF THAT'S THE WORLD YOU LIVE IN" - COACH AL DAVIS
by The MoonMan 804 on May 4, 2011 11:06 AM PDT up reply actions
Totally agree with this assessment of Campbell. I would love the Raiders to go after a free agent QB like Marc Bulger to challenge Campbell for the starting job. Bulger is one year removed from his injury and is the most accurate passer of all the free agent QB’s.
by Captain Chaos on May 5, 2011 7:26 AM PDT up reply actions
... no he is not.He freakin sucks big time. lol
He cant pass for crap. he doesnt have a good arm, and he is below average in the accuracy department now.
If you want a free agent QB, lets try and get Kevin Kolb.
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
not too many teams and players are working out. So this shouldnt be a knock on Jason.
Also, Jason DOES love football. He was praised by his teammates in Washington for being a very hard worker, and in Oakland even Nnamdi likes Jason a lot (and he is a strait forward guy). It will take time for Jason to become a full fledged leader, like McClain.
I dont think Bruce was a leader yet. He was not dependable on the field because he was always injured, and he threw INTs in random situations. He may have “’Bravado” but he didnt do much with it.
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
What makes you think, Jason "DOES love football"?
If you were at any games that Grad played, you know the difference his presence had on the team. Don’t over-interpret my remarks here about Campbell; they are in the context of leadership.
S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
"I did the (2010) draft. ... I made a trade for Seymour. Gave up the first-rounder this year. I could tell you why. You may not think it was a good trade. I thought it was a great trade. Still do. [Al Davis 1/1911]
by Sons-of-Blanda on May 4, 2011 10:56 AM PDT up reply actions
Campbell isnt the "fired up" type of leader.
He is calm, and collected. You are looking at a Grad-like Bravado, which is not his style. I know he loves the game, because he shows a desire to win with a team who had shit QB situations ever since J-Russ stepped in. He was asked to the starting QB, and he was not lazy in his throws as if he doesnt care. He was moving around, making risks to help win the games. He was in the film rooms studying. He was doing all that he can to win, and doing it with a desire.
But the difference between him and Bruce? Jason is calm, and collected about his play. He doesn’t make wild motions with his arms in the air, and screams. He is calm, and doesn’t let the situation of the games affect his play. That is their difference. You may prefer one way over the other, but as long as Jason still studies, and still plays well I dont care how he acts on the field as long as he is pulling the team together, and winning the games.
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
Again, you're attributing things to me that I haven't said. So your response is basically a Strawman. Now, listen up
J a s o n d o e s n o t l i k e f o o t b a l l … a n d … H e i s n o t a l e a d e r. That is my statement.
And style of leadership was never mentioned until you brought it up … everyone who plays well leads by example, so that’s not the kind of leadership that’s required now, i.e. someone who takes charge of a situation and steers others a certain way. Only certain players evoke confidence in teammates that make teammates want to follow them and are genuinely inspired by them. Seymour and Grad are the only two I’ve seen have this effect on the team during the past two seasons.
S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
"I did the (2010) draft. ... I made a trade for Seymour. Gave up the first-rounder this year. I could tell you why. You may not think it was a good trade. I thought it was a great trade. Still do. [Al Davis 1/1911]
by Sons-of-Blanda on May 4, 2011 3:15 PM PDT up reply actions
J a s o n d o e s n o t l i k e f o o t b a l l
my response:
I know he loves the game, because he shows a desire to win with a team who had shit QB situations ever since J-Russ stepped in. He was asked to the starting QB, and he was not lazy in his throws as if he doesnt care. He was moving around, making risks to help win the games. He was in the film rooms studying. He was doing all that he can to win, and doing it with a desire.
H e i s n o t a l e a d e r
I’ll just sum it up. Jason is a leader because he is putting the team before himself. Yes, Grad stands out more visually, and he is exciting to to watch, but that’s NOT how Jason operates. He is a leader because he dedicates himself to the film room, and that he leads by example. He is one of the more unselfish persons on the team, and he gives it his all each game. He leads by his play on the field, which builds up more confidence to the team when he is completing passes and moving the chains.
If that doesn’t spell leader, then what the hell more does he need to do? Run out of the pocket every other play, and side arms it recklessly down the field like Grad does? He doesn’t LOOK like he is firing everyone up(like Grad does) but thats because his style is CALM and COLLECTED.
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
You offer as your proof that Jason loves the game
because he shows a desire to win [blah blah] … He was asked to the [sic] starting QB, and he was not lazy in his throws as if he doesnt care. He was moving around, making risks to help win the games. He was in the film rooms studying. He was doing all that he can to win, and doing it with a desire.
How does not being lazy, desire to win, and studying film prove that Jason likes football? Actors study film, are energetic and desire to win but that doesn’t mean they love football.
Anyway, it’s clear that Jason does not like football.
Now, you offer as proof that Jason is a team leader…
Jason is a leader because he is putting the team before himself. [blah blah blah] … because he dedicates himself to the film room [here we go again with the film room] , and that he leads by example [I’ve already said ad nausea that the leading by example is not what’s needed now (in the offseason)] He is one of the more unselfish persons on the team, and he gives it his all each game. He leads by his play on the field [and just how by the pendulous breasts of Venus is he going to do that during the offseason?] , which builds up more confidence to the team [blah blah … painfully lame, blah].
Anyway, it is manifestly apparent that Jason does not have much influence over the players. He has not organized or led them during the off-season and they do not react to his voice like a dog to its master’s.
S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
"I did the (2010) draft. ... I made a trade for Seymour. Gave up the first-rounder this year. I could tell you why. You may not think it was a good trade. I thought it was a great trade. Still do. [Al Davis 1/1911]
by Sons-of-Blanda on May 4, 2011 4:37 PM PDT up reply actions
How does not being lazy, desire to win, and studying film prove that Jason likes football? Actors study film, are energetic and desire to win but that doesn’t mean they love football.
Anyway, it’s clear that Jason does not like football.
I dont know. if you hate football, why the hell would you study film, and try to win games?
Anyway, it is manifestly apparent that Jason does not have much influence over the players. He has not organized or led them during the off-season and they do not react to his voice like a dog to its master’s.
Where is Grad this offseason? Oh yeah, not doing anything. Like Jason.
And he does have influence over the players. Nnamdi likes him, as well as the coaches, and he rallies them through his play on the field in close game situations.
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
he lets his play, and not his voice, win the games for them
and I am sure they like him for that.
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
if you hate football, why the hell would you study film, and try to win games?
Could be any number of reasons. Money is often an incentive (a lot of people go to jobs they dislike and stay in them because they are well compenstated).
Where is Grad this offseason? Oh yeah, not doing anything. Like Jason.
I did not say that Grad is still a leader; but now you are gratuitously claiming that Jason is not doing anything.
And he does have influence over the players. Nnamdi likes him, as well as the coaches, and he rallies them through his play on the field in close game situations.
Okay, you say that Jason leads Nnamdi and the coaches. Well, if he has them following him I guess he’s a leader.
S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
"I did the (2010) draft. ... I made a trade for Seymour. Gave up the first-rounder this year. I could tell you why. You may not think it was a good trade. I thought it was a great trade. Still do. [Al Davis 1/1911]
by Sons-of-Blanda on May 4, 2011 4:54 PM PDT up reply actions
Being liked does not equal being a leader, Potatoguy.
S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
"I did the (2010) draft. ... I made a trade for Seymour. Gave up the first-rounder this year. I could tell you why. You may not think it was a good trade. I thought it was a great trade. Still do. [Al Davis 1/1911]
by Sons-of-Blanda on May 4, 2011 4:56 PM PDT up reply actions
Could be any number of reasons. Money is often an incentive (a lot of people go to jobs they dislike and stay in them because they are well compenstated).
That is true. But if that’s the case, how come he NEVER asks more money? That he just accepts what he is getting paid? If ALL he cares about is money, and not the game, then how come he is not like a J-Russ player or why is he not holding out for a contract, in Oakland, OR Washington?
This does not make sense.
I did not say that Grad is still a leader; but now you are gratuitously claiming that Jason is not doing anything.
Well, I don’t know what he is doing to tell the truth. News-wise, neither Grad, or jason are doing anything. As well as most of the league’s players out there.
Okay, you say that Jason leads Nnamdi and the coaches. Well, if he has them following him I guess he’s a leader.
He has earned their PRAISE. Here is an article: http://bleacherreport.com/articles/423429-jason-campbell-how-redskin-trash-is-raider-treasure
Here is a quote from that article:
Intangibles
Campbell is already motivated and a hard worker. Being made the scape in Washington has to have him burning inside. He will now get his chance to show his former owner Daniel Snyder what he could do with an offense built around him.
Im sure this guy did his research. He has shown his abilities to lead the team ON THE FIELD not by the voice of Grad, but by HIS PLAY.
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
also two other articles praising his hard work
and mentioning leadership.
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
Not only does Jason not really like football, he may even hate it
I’ve never seen anyone look so miserable during games … even one’s we are winning. Compare his grim and miserable countenance and brooding stare to the Joie De Jouer of Farve or, the best Raider example, Ted Hendricks … these men love the game and are enthralled by it.
S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
"I did the (2010) draft. ... I made a trade for Seymour. Gave up the first-rounder this year. I could tell you why. You may not think it was a good trade. I thought it was a great trade. Still do. [Al Davis 1/1911]
by Sons-of-Blanda on May 4, 2011 5:19 PM PDT up reply actions
Its not because he is serious or anything... or focused even..
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
or constipated
S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
"I did the (2010) draft. ... I made a trade for Seymour. Gave up the first-rounder this year. I could tell you why. You may not think it was a good trade. I thought it was a great trade. Still do. [Al Davis 1/1911]
by Sons-of-Blanda on May 4, 2011 5:24 PM PDT up reply actions
good joke.
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
"mentioning leadership" ... what's that mean? That QBs are expected to be leaders
Do you ever see Jason talking with his linemen on the sidelines when the D’s on the field? I saw Grad with his linemen, e.g. Henderson, talking with him and motivating him as well as other OL.
S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
"I did the (2010) draft. ... I made a trade for Seymour. Gave up the first-rounder this year. I could tell you why. You may not think it was a good trade. I thought it was a great trade. Still do. [Al Davis 1/1911]
by Sons-of-Blanda on May 4, 2011 5:27 PM PDT up reply actions
Do you ever see Jason talking with his linemen on the sidelines when the D’s on t
Yes. Most games he does, when he is telling them to pay attention to a certain player who he thinks might blitz.
And on the sideline he looks over the playbook quite a few times, and talking with his WRs.
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
er... players in general on the sidelines..
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
maybe he's using a wireless (he does tend to mutter) I thought he was praying
S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
"I did the (2010) draft. ... I made a trade for Seymour. Gave up the first-rounder this year. I could tell you why. You may not think it was a good trade. I thought it was a great trade. Still do. [Al Davis 1/1911]
by Sons-of-Blanda on May 4, 2011 5:39 PM PDT up reply actions
again... good joke.
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
motivated, praised, hard working are good qualities but do not necessarily make him a leader
how come he NEVER asks more money?
Maybe because he’s in the 2nd year of his two-year contract and had a checkered first year.
He has earned their PRAISE.
Again, being praised, as well as being liked, or watching film, or trying real hard, etc. does not equal being a leader.
S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
"I did the (2010) draft. ... I made a trade for Seymour. Gave up the first-rounder this year. I could tell you why. You may not think it was a good trade. I thought it was a great trade. Still do. [Al Davis 1/1911]
by Sons-of-Blanda on May 4, 2011 5:13 PM PDT up reply actions
Maybe because he’s in the 2nd year of his two-year contract and had a checkered first year.
In Washington, he improved every year. He can STILL HOLDOUT. Does the Mankins situation ring any bells?
Again, being praised, as well as being liked, or watching film, or trying real hard, etc. does not equal being a leader.
Oh yeah. So he was praised for being a hard worker and studying film, and put his team before himself in order to try and win games, and the teammates follow with him. Yeah, thats not being a leader. In order to be a leader you have to be LOUD and WILD like Grad is…
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
and he can still holdout with the raiders
even if he is in a contract.
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
its called, wanting a NEW contract. Like Mankins..
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
He doesn't deserve a new contract yet. I'm hoping he honors and satisfies the one he has
and doesn’t disappoint Al.
S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
"I did the (2010) draft. ... I made a trade for Seymour. Gave up the first-rounder this year. I could tell you why. You may not think it was a good trade. I thought it was a great trade. Still do. [Al Davis 1/1911]
by Sons-of-Blanda on May 4, 2011 5:24 PM PDT up reply actions
But thats my point.
If ALL he cares about is money, why doesn’t he holdout?
It doesn’t make sense. What makes sense, is that he does, in fact, love football. Why? Well I stated why for 3+ posts now.
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
Have you ever had a job you didn't like? Have you ever had a job?
In any case, people do work hard and do their best for several reasons. Money is a factor, also a sense self-esteem drives many – regardless of the occupation, others may be motivated by hope for something else and what they do is a stepping stone, etc.
S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
"I did the (2010) draft. ... I made a trade for Seymour. Gave up the first-rounder this year. I could tell you why. You may not think it was a good trade. I thought it was a great trade. Still do. [Al Davis 1/1911]
by Sons-of-Blanda on May 4, 2011 5:30 PM PDT up reply actions
but in football, you ARE allowed to holdout for a new contract, and get more money.
Jason has not done this. Again, if ALL he cares about is money, then why does he not do this?
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
It's not that your allowed
as much it is you are able, (if your valuable enough) to holdout for a new contract. If you no show after not getting a new contract you’d be in breach of the old contract.
"Now I know what your thinking, did he fire six shots or only five. Ive forgotten myself in all this excitement, but being that this is the 44 magnum, the most powerful handgun in the world and could blow your head clean off, you have to ask your question. Do I feel lucky? Well do ya punk!"
Dirty Harry Callahan
Campbell was "able" to in washington.
He improved every year on a redskins team that hardly improved.
If he only cares about money, and not football, he would hold out to get a new contract with more money. Mankins did the same thing last year.
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
Your're the only one mentioning "LOUD" and "WILD" as leadership qualities ...
S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
"I did the (2010) draft. ... I made a trade for Seymour. Gave up the first-rounder this year. I could tell you why. You may not think it was a good trade. I thought it was a great trade. Still do. [Al Davis 1/1911]
by Sons-of-Blanda on May 4, 2011 5:23 PM PDT up reply actions
What else does grad do then?
Besides play wildly with “bravado?” As far as I am concerned Jason is a leader because:
praised for being a hard worker and studying film, and put his team before himself in order to try and win games, and the teammates follow with him.
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
Every player should work hard, study film and try to win games. WTF, that doesn't
translate to “leader of men.”
S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
"I did the (2010) draft. ... I made a trade for Seymour. Gave up the first-rounder this year. I could tell you why. You may not think it was a good trade. I thought it was a great trade. Still do. [Al Davis 1/1911]
by Sons-of-Blanda on May 4, 2011 5:31 PM PDT up reply actions
It does when you are the QB, and expected to LEAD the team.
The QB calls the plays, and picks up blitzers. The players trust him enough to put the ball in his hands (ie. Kansas City) to help them win games. And yeah, I DID mention that his teammates like him, therefore they trust him to do the right things as their starting QB.
And as a starting QB, he has to help LEAD the team. With his intangibles, his teammates liking and trusting him, I would say he is a leader.
YOu have not proven otherwise.
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
Oh, so by virtue of being the starting QB, Campbell is therefore a leader
I understand now; you haven’t a clue what leadership really means.
S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
"I did the (2010) draft. ... I made a trade for Seymour. Gave up the first-rounder this year. I could tell you why. You may not think it was a good trade. I thought it was a great trade. Still do. [Al Davis 1/1911]
by Sons-of-Blanda on May 4, 2011 5:37 PM PDT up reply actions
you did not understand what I said...
I said AS a starting QB… as in… as a starting QB he is OBLIGATED to do these things for his team. To LEAD them. To RALLY them. Jason does this in his own way.
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
A person can certainly try to be a leader and I'm sure Jason (bless his heart) is trying
S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
"I did the (2010) draft. ... I made a trade for Seymour. Gave up the first-rounder this year. I could tell you why. You may not think it was a good trade. I thought it was a great trade. Still do. [Al Davis 1/1911]
by Sons-of-Blanda on May 4, 2011 5:41 PM PDT up reply actions
So far he is successful.
Grad may have his “magnetic” effect, but he hasn’t really done anything on the field. Jason has though.
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
Jason presided over the last 5 games when we went 3-2
His confidence goes up in proportion to our running game’s success and his confidence drops off when the running game is thwarted. Many credit him for the KC victory, for example; but I was there and saw what happened.
S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
"I did the (2010) draft. ... I made a trade for Seymour. Gave up the first-rounder this year. I could tell you why. You may not think it was a good trade. I thought it was a great trade. Still do. [Al Davis 1/1911]
by Sons-of-Blanda on May 4, 2011 5:47 PM PDT up reply actions
many people credit our running game as well as our defense
but the truth is, Jason did very well managing the games atfer the san fran game. he put up good numbers, and he was dependable.
BUt again, we are going off topic. So far, you have not proven that Jason hates football (no use of evidence either), and as far as leadership, he is helping to lead the team to win games. And he dedicates himself to improve his game.
This will be the first time he has been in the same system twice, and I dont expect him to hold out wither.
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
He wouldn't dare holdout. Al would cut his ass faster than Brad Childress cut Moss
S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
"I did the (2010) draft. ... I made a trade for Seymour. Gave up the first-rounder this year. I could tell you why. You may not think it was a good trade. I thought it was a great trade. Still do. [Al Davis 1/1911]
by Sons-of-Blanda on May 4, 2011 5:57 PM PDT up reply actions
J-Russ held out, and it took Al 4 years to cut him.
Did Sapp hold out as well at one point?
But I doubt Jason holds out as well.
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
I heard Jason Campbell say that he didn't like football
He was being interviewed last year during the OTAs. The woman asked him if he watched football (college other pro-games) and he said (I’ll paraphrase) “No, I really don’t like football and get enough of it.” He went on to say he enjoyed cooking and listening to music. There is also another interview where Campbell stated he’d rather be a singer if he could make as much money as he’s making.
S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
"I did the (2010) draft. ... I made a trade for Seymour. Gave up the first-rounder this year. I could tell you why. You may not think it was a good trade. I thought it was a great trade. Still do. [Al Davis 1/1911]
by Sons-of-Blanda on May 4, 2011 6:05 PM PDT up reply actions
I'd like to hear/see them then.
If you speak the truth, I would gladly say I am proven wrong is the Jason hates football department.
Are you sure the questions weren’t aimed at his thoughts BEFORE he was in the pros? Or during Washington?
Because if you are the QB in washington, Im sure you would rather be doing something else and getting more money elsewhere(besides, portis hated him, and caused him problems).
And hell, maybe he’ll like the raider atmosphere. AT least he gives it his all, and puts effort into it.
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
I'll do some research. Here's one about singing
http://chriscooley47.blogspot.com/2008/06/jason-cambell.html
This interview actually made me like him more.
S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
"I did the (2010) draft. ... I made a trade for Seymour. Gave up the first-rounder this year. I could tell you why. You may not think it was a good trade. I thought it was a great trade. Still do. [Al Davis 1/1911]
by Sons-of-Blanda on May 4, 2011 6:13 PM PDT up reply actions
Maybe money and not singing is more the motivation here
S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
"I did the (2010) draft. ... I made a trade for Seymour. Gave up the first-rounder this year. I could tell you why. You may not think it was a good trade. I thought it was a great trade. Still do. [Al Davis 1/1911]
by Sons-of-Blanda on May 4, 2011 6:16 PM PDT up reply actions
Money still doesnt makes sense to me.
I still think if he cares about money and not football, I would think he held out at some point. Hell, if you are playing for the redskins, I am surprised he didnt ask for more money. lol
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
Jason is basically an insecure person
he knows that Al is a hard man who pays those who’ve proven themselves and Jason knows he has fallen short.
S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
"I did the (2010) draft. ... I made a trade for Seymour. Gave up the first-rounder this year. I could tell you why. You may not think it was a good trade. I thought it was a great trade. Still do. [Al Davis 1/1911]
by Sons-of-Blanda on May 4, 2011 6:20 PM PDT up reply actions
But he didnt do that in washington, which is where that statement falls short.
He improved every year in washington, so in his 3rd year, you would think he would hold out. But he didn’t. makes no sense.
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
He was honoring his contract
not everyone is a greedy unscrupulous whore.
S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
"I did the (2010) draft. ... I made a trade for Seymour. Gave up the first-rounder this year. I could tell you why. You may not think it was a good trade. I thought it was a great trade. Still do. [Al Davis 1/1911]
by Sons-of-Blanda on May 4, 2011 6:23 PM PDT up reply actions
But you ASSUMED he loves money more than football.
People who love money more usually want a contract with A LOT of money in it. Jason does not. They also would hold out for that money. Jason does not. He hasnt even done this in washington. WASHINGTON!
This is not making sense Sons.
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
I didnt see the singing part....
what question does he say it in?
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
7
if I could sing and make as much money as him I would defiantly do that.
S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
"I did the (2010) draft. ... I made a trade for Seymour. Gave up the first-rounder this year. I could tell you why. You may not think it was a good trade. I thought it was a great trade. Still do. [Al Davis 1/1911]
by Sons-of-Blanda on May 4, 2011 6:19 PM PDT up reply actions
.... that doesnt mean anything that he would rather sing than play football.... you are over analyzing it...
If I could sing like your favorite singer, and get paid a crap ton, I would do it as well.
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
*my
not your
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
that's just something I came across today
but the other one is very explicit.
S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
"I did the (2010) draft. ... I made a trade for Seymour. Gave up the first-rounder this year. I could tell you why. You may not think it was a good trade. I thought it was a great trade. Still do. [Al Davis 1/1911]
by Sons-of-Blanda on May 4, 2011 6:24 PM PDT up reply actions
uh huh.... I would hold judgement until I see/hear them then.
Until then….. My thoughts remain unswayed.
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
As I've mentioned (and you should already know this ... unless you're too preoccupied with the Patriots
Grad’s personality is magnetic, he has a positive charge (that some unhappy souls confuse with bravado, loudness, wildness, and other unsubstantial qualities) and players look to him for guidance, confidence, and direction. He also uses his time when not actually engaged on the field to talk with his teammates and solve the puzzle of the game. It’s a team sport and Grad, for example, is engaged with coaches and players during the entire 3-hours.
S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
"I did the (2010) draft. ... I made a trade for Seymour. Gave up the first-rounder this year. I could tell you why. You may not think it was a good trade. I thought it was a great trade. Still do. [Al Davis 1/1911]
by Sons-of-Blanda on May 4, 2011 5:36 PM PDT up reply actions
Thats great he does that. But what exactly does he bring to the FIELD?
Thats the difference of leadership between the two. Grad has his own thing, and Campbell has his thing.
Its like Rex Ryan and BB. Both have polar opposites of coaching, but their styles work great for the teams.
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
On the field (when healthy) he brings more electricity than any QB we've had in a decade
S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
"I did the (2010) draft. ... I made a trade for Seymour. Gave up the first-rounder this year. I could tell you why. You may not think it was a good trade. I thought it was a great trade. Still do. [Al Davis 1/1911]
by Sons-of-Blanda on May 4, 2011 5:42 PM PDT up reply actions
He also brings INTs.
and he is more reckless. Just because he runs a lot, and makes reckless throws that he competes sometimes, does not make him a great player.
But we are getting off topic now. So far though, Jason has brought leadership through his play. Through his dedication to getting better, and to help the team win games (something that the players like him for as I have mentioned). And he was dependable down the stretch last year.
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
*good player
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
Yes, we strayed off topic when I used Grad as an example.
should have stuck with Seymour who, btw, you never compared to Jason .. feeling as you do, more confident to contrast the two qbs. But, leadership is the topic … tally hoe.
S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
"I did the (2010) draft. ... I made a trade for Seymour. Gave up the first-rounder this year. I could tell you why. You may not think it was a good trade. I thought it was a great trade. Still do. [Al Davis 1/1911]
by Sons-of-Blanda on May 4, 2011 5:50 PM PDT up reply actions
We strayed off topic when it looked like it was going into the direction of how grad plays, etc etc. thanks for playing.
Seymour is a leader. He leads by example, and his PLAY shows it.
Campbell is leading the team. I cant say by example, because there is only one QB on the field, but he CAN lead by example in terms of watching film and studying the playbook, and talking with players during the game.
His play, like seymour, SHOWS it as well.
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
Seymour leads by word and deed. He goes out of his way,
makes rousing speeches, does what we the fans can’t do (Rothlisberger), sets the pace, yes potato, by his example. He rides the bus and mentors the rookies, he goes beyond where Campbell has never gone before.
S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
"I did the (2010) draft. ... I made a trade for Seymour. Gave up the first-rounder this year. I could tell you why. You may not think it was a good trade. I thought it was a great trade. Still do. [Al Davis 1/1911]
by Sons-of-Blanda on May 4, 2011 6:09 PM PDT up reply actions
And thats what makes him a great leader.
Jason has only been here for a year. In Seymour’s first year, he didnt do that stuff. he came in, and studied the playbook. I remember you didnt like him either. Hel Tom Brady or Five-Head(Manning) dont ride the buses Seymour is just that much more awesome then them, but that doesnt make them not leaders.
Maybe Campbell had to do the same, in terms of just studying the playbook and establishing himself.
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
But I do think he still is a leader
because he does put the team before himself. etc etc.
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
How does he put the team before himself?
S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
"I did the (2010) draft. ... I made a trade for Seymour. Gave up the first-rounder this year. I could tell you why. You may not think it was a good trade. I thought it was a great trade. Still do. [Al Davis 1/1911]
by Sons-of-Blanda on May 4, 2011 6:15 PM PDT up reply actions
He gives it his all
and he studies all he can to get wins for the team.
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
He's just doing his job. In fact, one could say
he’s shortchanging the team because his heart’s not in it. On the other hand, because football is repugnant to him, in a way, it’s kind of heroic that he suffers so much.
S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
"I did the (2010) draft. ... I made a trade for Seymour. Gave up the first-rounder this year. I could tell you why. You may not think it was a good trade. I thought it was a great trade. Still do. [Al Davis 1/1911]
by Sons-of-Blanda on May 4, 2011 6:22 PM PDT up reply actions
oh yeah heroic.... thats it. YOu nailed it.
just doing his job, short changing it, hearts not in it.
Give me reasons and support please, instead of saying, “could” and “should.”
I thrown out an article(I can throw out two more from different sites) and what the players said of him.
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
you are becoming incoherent
I’ll let you settle and rejoin the blog later
S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
"I did the (2010) draft. ... I made a trade for Seymour. Gave up the first-rounder this year. I could tell you why. You may not think it was a good trade. I thought it was a great trade. Still do. [Al Davis 1/1911]
by Sons-of-Blanda on May 4, 2011 6:27 PM PDT up reply actions
I am only being reasonable.
I have given out support for my claims. You… have not, instead throwing out assumptions.
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
Listen to this and then we'll 'talk'
S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
"I did the (2010) draft. ... I made a trade for Seymour. Gave up the first-rounder this year. I could tell you why. You may not think it was a good trade. I thought it was a great trade. Still do. [Al Davis 1/1911]
by Sons-of-Blanda on May 4, 2011 7:44 PM PDT up reply actions
In this interview Jason says,
“I get so tired of football” and movies help me “get away from football” … “Escape”
S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
"I did the (2010) draft. ... I made a trade for Seymour. Gave up the first-rounder this year. I could tell you why. You may not think it was a good trade. I thought it was a great trade. Still do. [Al Davis 1/1911]
by Sons-of-Blanda on May 4, 2011 7:46 PM PDT up reply actions
...Sons, again you are over analyzing this
He is involved with football a lot, and in my interpretation, he is saying that he can’t focus on football topics ALL the time. He gets exhausted by it. A way to relieve this, is watching movies, etc. This interview does not say that he does not like football, just that he gets exhausted by talking about it.
She even asked if watching movies was an escape, or not. And he said they are. Hell, movies are my escape for many things. And even then, football movies are Campbell’s favorite. lol
I also like these tid-bits:
“People say I’m quiet,” Campbell said. “I’m not really quiet, I just don’t like to show too many emotions. But deep down inside, I’m a very emotional person. As a quarterback I just try to maintain on each and every play, I don’t want to get too high or too low.”
Often times, Bruce Gradkowski is associated with words like “energetic, fiery, emotional” and Campbell is a “veteran, calm.” These two QBs have different personalities. That doesn’t make one style necessarily better than the other, just different.
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
But this interview only confirmed
what was obvious.
Let me ask you, would Brady, Brees, Manning, or Ryan dismiss players who’ve called them to talk about the team? Is that leadership?
S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
"I did the (2010) draft. ... I made a trade for Seymour. Gave up the first-rounder this year. I could tell you why. You may not think it was a good trade. I thought it was a great trade. Still do. [Al Davis 1/1911]
by Sons-of-Blanda on May 4, 2011 7:49 PM PDT up reply actions
i'll listen tomorrow. too tired.
Would they dismiss players? No they would not.
I’ll listen to it tomorrow. And continue this…….
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
Being a great leader
and being a good football player do not necessarily go hand in hand, but I think it’s fair to say that Grad is a better leader of men than JC and that JC has more god given football talent than Grad. If you could combine the two and take the best attributes of both you’d have a hellava football player.
"Now I know what your thinking, did he fire six shots or only five. Ive forgotten myself in all this excitement, but being that this is the 44 magnum, the most powerful handgun in the world and could blow your head clean off, you have to ask your question. Do I feel lucky? Well do ya punk!"
Dirty Harry Callahan
Have you ever heard of the term "quiet leader?"
Thats what Campbell is. Just because he isnt doing what Grad is doing, does not mmake him NOT a leader. He just has a different way of going about it.
Something in the link Sons posted above:
Often times, Bruce Gradkowski is associated with words like "energetic, fiery, emotional" and Campbell is a "veteran, calm." These two QBs have different personalities. That doesn’t make one style necessarily better than the other, just different.
Campbell is a leader through his play, and is a leader by example. Like Grad, he watcher\s film to improve his play, and studies the playbook. Also, being capable of LEADING the team on offense by issuing play calls and going all out to get a 1st down, is something that leaders do.
Gaining more and more trust with the players should take more than just less than a year. Since he would be in the system twice now, he would know the playbook better, and gain chemistry. He is a quiet leader who gets the job done for his TEAM.
Him and Grad have different styles, thats all.
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
yes, a quiet leader doesn't get his team together
for any activities while the lockout is underway. A quiet leader can only lead while he’s playing and in this case that is not enough. Brees is leading his guys despite no games being played.
There definitely two types of leader and right now we need the other kind.
"Now I know what your thinking, did he fire six shots or only five. Ive forgotten myself in all this excitement, but being that this is the 44 magnum, the most powerful handgun in the world and could blow your head clean off, you have to ask your question. Do I feel lucky? Well do ya punk!"
Dirty Harry Callahan
Brees is a quiet leader I believe...
But yeah, Campbell said in his tweet that he is getting activities together with the team. SO your dead wrong there.
Just because you are a quiet leader, you are still a leader. On the field, he does his job, and does everything that it takes to win. Off the field, he studies the playbook, spends time watching films with teammates, and practicing with them. They do this.
On the field is where the difference is.
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
Whose the better leader, Brady or Campbell? Why is that?
S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
"I did the (2010) draft. ... I made a trade for Seymour. Gave up the first-rounder this year. I could tell you why. You may not think it was a good trade. I thought it was a great trade. Still do. [Al Davis 1/1911]
by Sons-of-Blanda on May 5, 2011 8:18 PM PDT up reply actions
Brady is a 3 time super bowl champion
Who comes up big in close games and is a dedicated football player.
COmparing the two is just unfair, because Campbell has not had a very good chance at the superbowl, and Brady has been in the league longer. Also, Brady is better than Campbell in every skill category except running.
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
Unfair, yet you made a rather sharp comparison
S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
"I did the (2010) draft. ... I made a trade for Seymour. Gave up the first-rounder this year. I could tell you why. You may not think it was a good trade. I thought it was a great trade. Still do. [Al Davis 1/1911]
by Sons-of-Blanda on May 5, 2011 8:58 PM PDT up reply actions
difference being is experience
One has more TDs than the other (dont know about INTs), one is more accurate, one is more better at reading defenses, and one is considered in the top 3 greatest QBs of all time. And the Name is Brady.
Unfair comparison. And notice how I was talking about how his skills are on the field. Thats what shot him up to being a leader, because of his play. HIs attitude as well, but like I, and the article, said, he has a different style and it works for him.
Campbell’s skills on the field, as well as what he does off it, make him a leader because he is the most dependable QB we had since Gannon, and he is doing well in managing the game and making the plays.
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
as well as working hard at improving his game
by going to the film room and studying the playbook.
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
Again, none of this indicates that he is a leader
or that he loves football. Anyone can work hard at his job, unskilled laborers often work heroically at their tasks but are neither organizational leaders or lovers of their toil.
S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
"I did the (2010) draft. ... I made a trade for Seymour. Gave up the first-rounder this year. I could tell you why. You may not think it was a good trade. I thought it was a great trade. Still do. [Al Davis 1/1911]
by Sons-of-Blanda on May 6, 2011 1:28 PM PDT up reply actions
IT indicates MORE that he is a leader than not.
I have seen more evidence that he is a leader, and loves football, than ANY evidence that he is not a leader and doesnt like football.
You can keep making assumptions, or making far-fetched interpretations of interviews, but Campbell has been doing everything that a leader does(I’ve talked about what a leader does for a while here now), and there is NO indication that he hates football.
“Oh but just because he does everything a leader does, doesnt mean he is a leader.”
Yes it does. If anything, it shows that he is MORESO a leader than not a leader.
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
When, other than just now, was this ever stated?!
"Oh but just because he does everything a leader does, doesnt mean he is a leader."
S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
"I did the (2010) draft. ... I made a trade for Seymour. Gave up the first-rounder this year. I could tell you why. You may not think it was a good trade. I thought it was a great trade. Still do. [Al Davis 1/1911]
by Sons-of-Blanda on May 6, 2011 8:52 PM PDT up reply actions
I just threw that in there, to further my statement.
Not implying you said that. If I were quoting you, I would use the quote boxes.
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
Oh, really
S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
"I did the (2010) draft. ... I made a trade for Seymour. Gave up the first-rounder this year. I could tell you why. You may not think it was a good trade. I thought it was a great trade. Still do. [Al Davis 1/1911]
by Sons-of-Blanda on May 6, 2011 10:58 PM PDT up reply actions
Clue: A leader has followers (people who
look regularly to him for direction, advice, mentorship, guidance, inspiration, role-modeling, insight and other leadership attributes. You give me, “he tries real hard” and “he spends a lot of time studying film” (fn. we know what kind of film now) and other generically universal attributes of any decent player.
So, your defense or claim of Campbell being a leader does not prove or persuade. Still, as always, you get a C for effort.
S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
"I did the (2010) draft. ... I made a trade for Seymour. Gave up the first-rounder this year. I could tell you why. You may not think it was a good trade. I thought it was a great trade. Still do. [Al Davis 1/1911]
by Sons-of-Blanda on May 6, 2011 8:58 PM PDT up reply actions
You make a good point.
However,
he is normally looked to on offense in terms of direction. he calls the plays at the line, makes adjustments, and the players follow him through those things.
Inspiration? He was only here for a year…. how can he inspire people in one year… well…. during games when he is getting first downs it can create inspiration (or something around that).
He is a good role model.
I am sure he gives insight during film sessions, or when he talks with his teammates on the sidelines about what the opponent is doing, and how to stop them.
So most of these, for one year, he has done, or is doing.
So yeah, off of YOUR qualities of a leader, Campbell seems to fit the bill.
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
Obviously your mind is closed
Clearly, in the generic sense, every QB is a leader by the very nature of what a QB’s job requires of him. But you demonstrate that you really don’t know what the personal quality of leadership means. Perhaps you are too young or inexperienced to know or, I hope not, just obtuse.
S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
"I did the (2010) draft. ... I made a trade for Seymour. Gave up the first-rounder this year. I could tell you why. You may not think it was a good trade. I thought it was a great trade. Still do. [Al Davis 1/1911]
by Sons-of-Blanda on May 6, 2011 11:04 PM PDT up reply actions
well then this is going nowhere.
I would think that having the qualities of leadership, and when the players are behind you and follow you to an extent, makes you a leader.
But obviously we can’t get a hold of one another, so Agree to disagree, and lets just move on.
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
Also, a person can work hard at his job and still not like it
S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
"I did the (2010) draft. ... I made a trade for Seymour. Gave up the first-rounder this year. I could tell you why. You may not think it was a good trade. I thought it was a great trade. Still do. [Al Davis 1/1911]
by Sons-of-Blanda on May 4, 2011 10:57 AM PDT up reply actions
In light of the recent evidence I think we may need to consider Seymour's position as a leader.
Where is he?
I'm a freaky streaker like Winnie the Pooh—T-shirt, no pants and I dance the boog-a-loo
by Rich Langford on May 4, 2011 12:38 PM PDT up reply actions
He may hide himself from our eyes but cannot elude our admiration
S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
"I did the (2010) draft. ... I made a trade for Seymour. Gave up the first-rounder this year. I could tell you why. You may not think it was a good trade. I thought it was a great trade. Still do. [Al Davis 1/1911]
by Sons-of-Blanda on May 4, 2011 1:16 PM PDT up reply actions
I want him to take this team by the balls and say here is what is going to happen.
We are going to meet here, and me and DHB (since he is stealing) are going to pay for it! Despite that, as long as he shows up ready to play my admiration shall still be his
I'm a freaky streaker like Winnie the Pooh—T-shirt, no pants and I dance the boog-a-loo
by Rich Langford on May 4, 2011 1:36 PM PDT up reply actions
Nick Miller
Recently tweeted that he was working out with Larry Fitzgerald. Wasn’t Jacoby Ford just working out with Pierre Garcon a few weeks ago, as well as Tyvon Branch?
by SithSlayer6 on May 4, 2011 10:46 AM PDT via mobile reply actions
I hope so! I hadn't seen this, but the more reports the merrier.
I'm a freaky streaker like Winnie the Pooh—T-shirt, no pants and I dance the boog-a-loo
by Rich Langford on May 4, 2011 12:39 PM PDT up reply actions
It does concern me somewhat
Especially with development players like Bruce Campbell, “-”, Walter McFadden, etc. Even if they are able to work out well on their own, getting the team concept down is important for their development. For late round picks or guys without a guaranteed deal, I could see the difficulty in making this kind of off season commitment.
For Jason Campbell, he still has not been able to have a full offseason workout with the team, and with such raw receivers that we have, it would be nice if they were to get together and hold their own mini camp. “-” should do the right thing and pay for it IMO.
"I’m back to my first love – the Oakland Raiders and working with the Offensive Line. I’m a Raider for life." -- Steve Wisniewski
im concerned as well but at this point in the offseason
these OTA’s arent mandatory anyway… I know other teams are getting together and thats good for them but I dont think Id worry at this point… Unless its July and were still sitting around with our thumbs in our asses, then yeah id press the panic button.
But for now, its to early to tell. Initiative is only good when you get results so only time will tell.
"There comes a point an a mans life, he has to step up… I dont care what kind of man you are!!! there come’s a point where he has to fight!!! He has to has that in ’em! He gotta have that in ’em… Lets go, LETS GO!!! FIGHT on 3… 1-2-3- FIGHT!!!! -Richard Seymour
I think this is a paranoid delusion
From following some players on twitter it seems like they are all working out, i know Run DMC was actually down in texas working out with Huffy.
I am confident that they are all putting in work in different places around the country and until I hear of see something tangible pointing otherwise I am not concerned.
I know absolutely nothing about this guy but if he is fast I say sign him up.
Long live Al
I think it's about time we all just agreed that NaS is the greatest of all-time.
Thaks for being the voice of reason Oz!
You gotta figure most of these guys are doing what they have to to stay in shape. Still, it’d be nice if some groups got together to work.
I'm a freaky streaker like Winnie the Pooh—T-shirt, no pants and I dance the boog-a-loo
by Rich Langford on May 4, 2011 1:08 PM PDT up reply actions
Maybe Chaz can borrow Darren Sharper's Hyperbaric Chamber (since he should be hanging up his cleats)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j5TpSj3_Ggg
S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
"I did the (2010) draft. ... I made a trade for Seymour. Gave up the first-rounder this year. I could tell you why. You may not think it was a good trade. I thought it was a great trade. Still do. [Al Davis 1/1911]
by Sons-of-Blanda on May 4, 2011 1:18 PM PDT up reply actions
hahaha that is awesome!
Chaz needs to live in one of these. They need to make one that is a suit that he can wear around!
I'm a freaky streaker like Winnie the Pooh—T-shirt, no pants and I dance the boog-a-loo
by Rich Langford on May 4, 2011 1:44 PM PDT up reply actions
He'd probably
break his leg stepping out of it when he went to take a piss.
Someday you will find me, caught beneath the landslide, in a champagne supernova in the sky.
This day will be when the Raiders win a Super Bowl in my lifetime.
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Catheter!
I'm a freaky streaker like Winnie the Pooh—T-shirt, no pants and I dance the boog-a-loo
by Rich Langford on May 4, 2011 5:05 PM PDT up reply actions
No worries and just to ease your concerns further here is what JC twat yesterday
@jcampbell8 Raider nation our guys are working, we are getting together and have set plans to do things as a team. Even if not everyone can participate. Not participate bc we have 25 free agents and some guys are not sure where they will be, we have to do what we have to with ones under Under contract.
I know absolutely nothing about this guy but if he is fast I say sign him up.
Long live Al
I think it's about time we all just agreed that NaS is the greatest of all-time.
I feel better already!
"Now I know what your thinking, did he fire six shots or only five. Ive forgotten myself in all this excitement, but being that this is the 44 magnum, the most powerful handgun in the world and could blow your head clean off, you have to ask your question. Do I feel lucky? Well do ya punk!"
Dirty Harry Callahan
Agreed
The nucleus of this team fully understands the importance of getting better as well as realizes how close we are to something very special.
"tough times call for perseverance and a tough mind. I have been told that I can't play football before. We all know what happened with that. #neverquit"--Mark Herzlich
""The massive Raider Nation is beyond doubt the sleaziest and rudest and most sinister mob of thugs and wackos ever assembled."--Hunter S. Thompson
It would be nice for JC to take the lead
and get at least the receivers and himself together to run routes and learn each others thoughts on situations that might arise during a game so all can be on the same page and of a single mind when they see that situation later in the season.
"Now I know what your thinking, did he fire six shots or only five. Ive forgotten myself in all this excitement, but being that this is the 44 magnum, the most powerful handgun in the world and could blow your head clean off, you have to ask your question. Do I feel lucky? Well do ya punk!"
Dirty Harry Callahan
If you cats haven't figured out that
Campbell AIN"T the man …..you should. THIS is the lack of “Pizazzz” the guy doesn’t offer this team, PERIOD! Palmer and his knees are starting are starting to look better and better in my eyes. You want to be the man , you want to lead, you ACT like the man! Tim Tebow can do it and “J.C.” can’t? TERRRRRRRRIBBBLLLLE!!!!
You mean this?
http://www.ibabuzz.com/oaklandraiders/2011/05/01/measuring-heart-as-well-as-speed-size/
"There’s no question," Jackson said. "Obviously the measureables are important. We want the guy to be as big as he can be, as agile as he can be, as fast as he can be. But at the end of the day, he’s got to want to play football. And that’s what it comes down to.
"You’ve got to like the toughness, the physical nature of this sport, and if you don’t do that, you can’t be successful in this league."
by Spirals galore on May 4, 2011 8:00 PM PDT up reply actions
IF YOU FOLLOW THE REST
Of the Raiders players on tweeter then u would Know.. That they are doing their own thing.. Louis Murphy has pics on his twitter where him and DHB and campbell have been working out together. He has even posted pics.. I’m pretty sure the rest of the team is doing their own thing.. Just because we are not on ESPN doesn’t mean weare not working.. Some of you fans are so impatient that..
by SinCityRaider on May 5, 2011 10:26 AM PDT via mobile reply actions
Excellent point Sin.
Good think I have stated this. lol:
Well, I don’t know what he is doing to tell the truth. News-wise, neither Grad, or jason are doing anything. As well as most of the league’s players out there.
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
"We are not on espn doesn't mean we are not working" "You fans"
Are you someone that we should be familiar with on the team? 0.o
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
from Campbells twitter
“guys just bc they show one team working out doesn’t mean we aren’t and others. I’ve work out with some of my guys already”
“plan on doing more together out west, we are trying to see what’s going to happen with this lockout hearing this week”
“so we know what to do next. Already spoken to some of other team captains to put something together. It don’t have to be on”
“Like the guys on the team attitude, ask them to do something and most say count me in. Everything is a process.”
“Raider nation our guys are working,we are getting together and have set plans to do things as a team. Even if not everyone can participate”
awesome. Noons needs to see zis. o.o
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
Meanwhile...
Chiefs quarterback Matt Cassel is leading workouts for teammates at a local high school this week, according to The Kansas City Star. NFL.Com 5/5/2011
S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
"I did the (2010) draft. ... I made a trade for Seymour. Gave up the first-rounder this year. I could tell you why. You may not think it was a good trade. I thought it was a great trade. Still do. [Al Davis 1/1911]
by Sons-of-Blanda on May 5, 2011 12:46 PM PDT up reply actions
IF you want to know what their doing look at
JC TWITTER http://twitter.com/#!/Jcampbell8
Yes this is the real JC not like the fake hue I thought was real. This one is in contact back and forth with other r8rs and says he has thrown with his WR and that him and SEY are planing a schedule of workouts. Just because the papers dont report it doesnt mean its not happening
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