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2011 NFL Oakland Raiders Draft Results: My take on Wiz 2.0, Van Dyke and Jones

Greetings! Been too long since I've been here.  Anyway, since I'm a complete and irredeemable draft geek, I thought I'd come share a few observations that I made of some of the Oakland Raiders draft picks, both during the season (I always take notes on top prospects intending to start a draft site which I never do) and from watching extended highlights on YouTube.  This will be neither long nor very extensive, but I wanted to share.

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Stefen Wisniewski - First thing you notice about Wiz 2.0 is that he's a battler.  From snap to whistle, he's always playing and giving maximum effort.  If he's blocked his guy down, he'll go look for someone else to hit.  He never quits.  Secondly, his technique is flawless.  I love how he sets his feet and uses his hands effectively.  He's also rarely on the ground or moving backwards.  He's either pushing ahead or standing his guy up. 

If I have a concern about him (and this has been the knock I've read elsewhere) it's how well he can fare as the center in a drive blocking scheme emphaszing bludgeoning your opponent to death, particularly in the run game.  I actually love his pass blocking, where he can use his technique and football IQ to hold his own.  What worries me is his ability to blast open holes, especially against some of the 3-4 nose tackles in the league these days.  I'm not sure he has the pure strength and I worry he may be better suited to a zone scheme.  I hope he's spending a ton of time in the weight room waiting for the lockout to end and if reports about his work ethic and character are true, I'm sure he is.

Besides, if he's not, his uncle will end his life.

DeMarcus Van Dyke - If you're one of the crowd who doesn't like Asomugha because he doesn't make a lot of interceptions, then be prepared to hate Van Dyke.  He's not a playmaker in that sense.  He's a prototypical Raiders corner though:  tall, fast, and (potentially) awesome in man coverage.  He mirrors his guy exceptionally well and uses his length to bat away incoming passes.  He won't make many picks, but he can hopefully turn into an Asomugha-like player that can erase half the field through his technique and smarts.  Right now, I think his biggest flaw (other than being totally raw) is his run support ability.  He's a skinny dude, can he come up and smack an oncoming running back the way Nnamdi can?  With the way the Raiders run defense can be, that's an important question.

Taiwan Jones - His greatest asset?  His speed, duh.  He's as fast as advertised.  His acceleration is ridiculous and he hits the hole fast.  He's not a guy who dances around a lot.  He just goes ahead.  Love his moves in the open field.  He wasn't used a whole lot in the passing game at Eastern Washington (64 catches in 24 games the past 2 seasons) but from what I've seen, I'm excited to see him utilized in just that fashion.  I can honestly see him becoming a Charlie Garner type.  He's a tremendous home run threat.

I do have some large concerns though and they stem more from what I don't know than what I do, if that makes sense.  Watching the film, I was struck by something:  the holes Jones has to run through were always the size of a Mack truck.  Eastern Washington must've had a beast of an offensive line because Jones was constantly running through the Grand Canyon and hitting the second level instantly.  That's not going to happen in the NFL.  Can he pick his way through the muck and pick up the tough but necessary yardage?  Secondly, because of those huge running lanes and that blazing speed, I rarely saw him take many hits.  Again, that's not going to happen in the NFL.  Can he take a big time wallop and the consistent battering pro running backs absorb?

So, that's my take.  I'd offer some thoughts on Barksdale, but I have to cut it short and go right now (real life interferes!)  In brief:  great value where they took him; with proper coaching he could be a stupendous right tackle.  Sort of like Bruce Campbell, but with less pure athleticism but also less bust potential.

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Saw a scouting report on Jones

That indicated that he tends to run with an upright style, and has been blown up a number of times because of it. He has also had some injuries, although mostly lower body, so I do question how much work he will actually be able to shoulder.

I see him as mostly a ST’er, but hope that he is able to do more.

Failure builds character; success reveals it

by signcut on May 6, 2011 11:00 AM PDT reply actions  

dmac had the same knock on him with running upright like that.

and year three he looked like a completly different runner. so im sure dmac can give some sound advice on that

by frank7da2tank on May 6, 2011 7:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

Good to hear from you, Raybin

Thanks for the scouting report. I wanted to get it on the front page, and I tweaked the title for ease of people in search of good info. If you no like, let me know, and I’ll put it back. All three of these guys have me pretty excited for the season! And the best and probably most accurate part of your scouting was this:

Besides, if he’s not, his uncle will end his life.

I'm a freaky streaker like Winnie the Pooh—T-shirt, no pants and I dance the boog-a-loo

by Rich Langford on May 6, 2011 5:03 PM PDT reply actions  

I'd like to say

that watching the vids on Taiwan, I saw that he did have quite a few big holes, but there were also quite a few times when he had to bounce quickly outside because there was nothing in front for him.

And yeah, his quickness in space is tremendous. He has great running vision as well, and we can probably thank that his ability as a return man can attribute to that.

I think that once taiwan sees open space, look for 5+ yards.

I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP

by Jack'sAxe on May 6, 2011 7:09 PM PDT reply actions  

Really like your evaluation method and, for the most part, your assessments. Unlike many scout abstracts evaluations

yours has some flesh on it that makes it easy to imagine the player at work. I believe we hit gold for a second year in a row but the realization may take a bit longer than last year which was extraordinary by any standard.

S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
"I did the (2010) draft. ... I made a trade for Seymour. Gave up the first-rounder this year. I could tell you why. You may not think it was a good trade. I thought it was a great trade. Still do. [Al Davis 1/1911]

by Sons-of-Blanda on May 6, 2011 7:45 PM PDT reply actions  

One thing I forgot to add to go with your Taiwan assessment

The thing about him finding the holes is a great point. Because along with the gaping holes was Taiwan bouncing outside. Instead of pounding in little creases for four yards he seemed to perpetually look for to get the edge, which he often did against D II. He’s really going to have to retrain his instincts.

I'm a freaky streaker like Winnie the Pooh—T-shirt, no pants and I dance the boog-a-loo

by Rich Langford on May 6, 2011 8:14 PM PDT reply actions  

Sounds Like A Mixture Of Justin Fargas -n- Napoleon Kaufman

Little smaller than Fargas with his same straight line speed but a little bigger than Nap with his side step…Both hit the hole quickly and found the 2nd level…Hopefully Taiwan doesn’t loose all his instincts and hit the 1st man head on the way Justin did…Keep some of that Nap side step in there…Looking forward to seeing the kid play and as a receiver he may become a big time threat…

by PantyRaider on May 7, 2011 4:38 AM PDT up reply actions  

Looks Like "TJ" Was Outside Allot And Misdirection/Delay Were Huge Parts Of His Game..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DzCwMlMoeQo

Shakes off allot of contact and doesn’t go done easy…Great balance…Looks like allot of the open running lanes were set up by his lateral speed and cut back vision…His stop-n-go are unreal…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CCIN6EWoPBo

I’m excited!!…This kid n “D-Mac” in the same backfield are going to drive "D"s nuts…Like at Arkansas “D-Mac” had a Jones to draw attention away so he could do more damage…This Jones will bring it home to OakTown…

by PantyRaider on May 7, 2011 5:24 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

At last, we have our punt returner in TJ

His stop-n-go are unreal…

S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
"I did the (2010) draft. ... I made a trade for Seymour. Gave up the first-rounder this year. I could tell you why. You may not think it was a good trade. I thought it was a great trade. Still do. [Al Davis 1/1911]

by Sons-of-Blanda on May 7, 2011 7:59 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

I hope he stays our guy for kickoff returns but with the new rule (kickoffs from 35) and Jacoby's performance at WR

kickoff returns may be outsourced to Taiwan

S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
"I did the (2010) draft. ... I made a trade for Seymour. Gave up the first-rounder this year. I could tell you why. You may not think it was a good trade. I thought it was a great trade. Still do. [Al Davis 1/1911]

by Sons-of-Blanda on May 7, 2011 8:12 AM PDT up reply actions  

Ford

may end up being our #1 WR, and you don’t want the #1 returning kicks (see Steve Smith’s injury history)

"We can't stop here... This is bat country."

by Kwester421 on May 8, 2011 1:10 AM PDT up reply actions  

Mack Truck Holes

Noticed that myself, needed to go back to drafft tracker.

There were not any EWU O-lineman drafted. Raiders will need to keep an eye on EWU for 2012 draft.

by rnpljnsn on May 7, 2011 2:39 PM PDT reply actions  

I am a Chiefs fan, ani I am excited about Taiwan Jones.

This guy and Jamaal Charles are very similar. Jamaal didnt start until his 2nd year, and noone realized how talented he was. His whole skillset is pressing the whole, and then bang, he is down the field. I think Taiwan is the same thing, maybe a hare faster with more shiftiness than Charles. I am excited to see Taiwan play. Well, most of the time anyway. Wis is gonna be a good center. Throw in Seymour, and I think you had a haul. I can see Raiwan and Jamaal battling, as the leagues 1st an 2nd rushing attavks square off twice a year! Raider week is gonna be awesom! Assuming everyone pulls their head out of their asses and we actually have football this year

Pick 21: OLB Justin Houston
Pick 30: C Rodney Hudson
Pick 86: NT Kenrick Ellis. (Ellis in the 3rd = Taylor in the 1st + 1st round pick).
Problems solved. Please forget about Phil Taylor.

by Kblomfiee on May 8, 2011 9:36 AM PDT reply actions   1 recs

McFadden will still be our
  1. back, unless he gets injured, or his play drops off significantly.

by RyanTheRaider on May 8, 2011 2:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

way to stick your neck out

S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
"I did the (2010) draft. ... I made a trade for Seymour. Gave up the first-rounder this year. I could tell you why. You may not think it was a good trade. I thought it was a great trade. Still do. [Al Davis 1/1911]

by Sons-of-Blanda on May 8, 2011 2:57 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

lol yep, thats going way out on a limb there. Must be a cliff diver with balls like that!

"We want to win. The Raider fans deserve it. The Raider players deserve it, even my organization deserves it. You have to win and you have to win with a vision for the Super Bowl. That's our passion here."--Al Davis

by Marcus Allen Krause on May 9, 2011 8:52 AM PDT up reply actions  

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