Projecting the Raiders Offensive Line
by Rich Langford on Jun 8, 2011 5:38 PM PDT
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PrintLast night I received an email from a writer who was trying to put together an article projecting the average age of starting offensive lines for 2011, and he asked me who I thought would be the starters on the Raiders O-line. To assist with the unknown of the yet to happen free agency period he said to assume the team would re-sign all their free agents. Well, that really didn't help me.
Robert Gallery is not the typical free agent. He came out and said he would not be re-signing with the team. Langston Walker isn't either. He is rumored to be considering retiring. And while Samson Satele doesn't have those obstacles to return Hue Jackson has already said Stefen Wisniewski is the starter.
In the end, there were two of the five offensive linemen I felt confident as projecting as starters: LT, Jared Veldheer and C, Stefen Wisniewski.
I then projected, with no confidence, Daniel Loper at LG and Cooper Carlisle at RG. However, I can see Samson Satele and Bruce Campbell being the opening week starters there or an outside free agent. I went with Loper and Carlisle because, with the very real possibility that there will be a shortened preseason, I felt the experienced veterans had the odds in their favor.
And then we have the right tackle position. Given his suggestion that the Raiders re-sign their free agents, and taking into consideration that Langston Walker may retire, I had to say it would be Mario Henderson. Although, this projection is even murkier outside of his parameters. I am not confident Henderson will be back. I also think Bruce Campbell and Joe Barksdale will be given every opportunity to win the job. And, more than anything, I am holding out hope the Raiders sign an outside free agent for RT.
Anyway, given the parameters I was given it was nearly impossible to speculate. Given whatever parameters you want to use, who do you think will be starting on the Raiders O-line in 2011 Week 1 (whenever that happens)?
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What do you think about the guard spots?
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by Rich Langford on Jun 8, 2011 7:11 PM PDT up reply actions
I think Langston Walker will be pursuaded to stay
and will at least start the season as the starter.
"I’m back to my first love – the Oakland Raiders and working with the Offensive Line. I’m a Raider for life." -- Steve Wisniewski
Same ? as above
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by Rich Langford on Jun 8, 2011 7:11 PM PDT up reply actions
Cloudy, ask again later
Wild speculation for me would put Satele at LG and Campbell at RG.
"I’m back to my first love – the Oakland Raiders and working with the Offensive Line. I’m a Raider for life." -- Steve Wisniewski
Satele is totwotoo small to play guard.
Especially left.
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I agree about the left/right thing
His pulling ability would make him a much better fit for the RG spot. He is the same size and maybe a few pounds heavier than Carlisle.
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by Rich Langford on Jun 9, 2011 5:41 PM PDT up reply actions
I believe we would see the team actively pursuing a veteran tackle and qb, if free agency allowed it
but if we can’t acquire someone Langston is the guy. I don’t see Barksdale winning the starting job. Maybe into the season, but I have to see what that kid is all about before I predict him even making the squad.
"tough times call for perseverance and a tough mind. I have been told that I can't play football before. We all know what happened with that. #neverquit"--Mark Herzlich
""The massive Raider Nation is beyond doubt the sleaziest and rudest and most sinister mob of thugs and wackos ever assembled."--Hunter S. Thompson
What do you think about the guard spots?
This is such a happening tailpipe of a party. Like sugar, the guests are so refined.
by Rich Langford on Jun 8, 2011 7:12 PM PDT up reply actions
Loper and Campbell to start. Hope Campbell can keep the job. Satele could push, but don't project him here
"tough times call for perseverance and a tough mind. I have been told that I can't play football before. We all know what happened with that. #neverquit"--Mark Herzlich
""The massive Raider Nation is beyond doubt the sleaziest and rudest and most sinister mob of thugs and wackos ever assembled."--Hunter S. Thompson
I'm hoping Langston will accept his new place at RT - he's a bulldozer who can pass block and could be an All-Pro
Maybe Langston doesn’t care about the general opinion that a player moved from T to G is demoted.
As for BC, he hasn’t done anything to make me think he’s starting material at G or T.
S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
"I did the (2010) draft. ... I made a trade for Seymour. Gave up the first-rounder this year. I could tell you why. You may not think it was a good trade. I thought it was a great trade. Still do. [Al Davis 1/1911]
by Sons-of-Blanda on Jun 8, 2011 8:15 PM PDT up reply actions
correction: accept his new place at RG
S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
"I did the (2010) draft. ... I made a trade for Seymour. Gave up the first-rounder this year. I could tell you why. You may not think it was a good trade. I thought it was a great trade. Still do. [Al Davis 1/1911]
by Sons-of-Blanda on Jun 8, 2011 8:16 PM PDT up reply actions
Langston would be my choice. No other reason for Campbell but hope and a belief he has the tools to succeed at G at the very least
and I expect him to be better than Carlisle and Loper down the road, but flash the talent to suggest so immediately.
"tough times call for perseverance and a tough mind. I have been told that I can't play football before. We all know what happened with that. #neverquit"--Mark Herzlich
""The massive Raider Nation is beyond doubt the sleaziest and rudest and most sinister mob of thugs and wackos ever assembled."--Hunter S. Thompson
I am thinking Walker may be better suited for LG
either way he would be a big improvement at guard, and that would also mean the Raiders got someone better to play tackle.
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by Rich Langford on Jun 9, 2011 10:04 PM PDT up reply actions
Out on a limb here...
Veldheer – Loper – Wiz – Campbell – Barksdale
I do not think this is the way it will be opening day, but I think the right tackle postion is going to be a real challenge if we bring back Barnes and Henderson. I feel that any one of these four including Walker if he comes back could make a run for that spot. I also believe that Barksdale has a bite as big as his bark and will step up when he is challenged. He should step up when the Vets set the torch on his ass. As for Satele, he will be a solid backup at center and the guard spots. Who knows he may really want one of those guard spots more that the others(Campbell who seems a little unsure of himself)
If I was going to choose a day 1 starting lineup it might be
Veldheer – Loper – Satele – Wiz – Henderson or Barnes
Barnes is my wildcard of the group because we really don’t know what he can handle out there by himself, and Henderson…shit…I think I am better off predicting my G/f’s mood for the next day
Barnes is another longshot to come back
it seems he fancys himself a starting LT and the Raiders don’t see him as a starter.
So he is going to test the free agent market if there is one.
"Now I know what your thinking, did he fire six shots or only five. Ive forgotten myself in all this excitement, but being that this is the 44 magnum, the most powerful handgun in the world and could blow your head clean off, you have to ask your question. Do I feel lucky? Well do ya punk!"
Dirty Harry Callahan
Veld - Lope Wiz - Walk - Bark
S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
"I did the (2010) draft. ... I made a trade for Seymour. Gave up the first-rounder this year. I could tell you why. You may not think it was a good trade. I thought it was a great trade. Still do. [Al Davis 1/1911]
Veldheer-Free Agent-Mini Wiz-Campbell-Barksdale
I think Loper is perfect as a bench guy and I don’t think Campbell or Barksdale are ready, so naturally they’ll start them anyway. I really want to see a big free agent splash at LG, but that’s probably not going to happen. Going into battle with Loper isn’t the worst possible thing, I guess.
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Veldheer-Loper-Wiz-Satale-Barksdale
I haven’t seen anything from Campbell, so i cant put him as a starter.Walker is supposedly retiring.I think we are gonna try and keep our team young and avoid going after older, or injury prone free agents.Veldheer and Wiz are the only sure starters at this point, and i dont think they will play bad enough to lose.Loper filled in very well for gallery at the LG spot.Satale played well at C, but Wiz is there now so i expect him to get a shot playing guard.Barksdale seems like he has the motivation, and he has the skills to play right away, unless we bring someone back,(Henderson,Walker,Barnes), it looks like hes the starter.
haven't seen anything?
Really, because you’ve apparently seen Satele at right guard enough to think he’s a starter there?
I’m confused
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by B.A.Armstrong on Jun 9, 2011 6:44 AM PDT up reply actions
Theres a huge difference
in seeing Satale being pretty good at center, and not seeing Campbell at all.
by RyanTheRaider on Jun 9, 2011 6:58 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Satele is totwotoo small to play guard.
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Is "totwotoo" close to a spec?
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"I did the (2010) draft. ... I made a trade for Seymour. Gave up the first-rounder this year. I could tell you why. You may not think it was a good trade. I thought it was a great trade. Still do. [Al Davis 1/1911]
by Sons-of-Blanda on Jun 9, 2011 3:00 PM PDT up reply actions
Being 2 light
is better than being tu shitty!
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by Rich Langford on Jun 9, 2011 5:45 PM PDT up reply actions
tu true
"Now I know what your thinking, did he fire six shots or only five. Ive forgotten myself in all this excitement, but being that this is the 44 magnum, the most powerful handgun in the world and could blow your head clean off, you have to ask your question. Do I feel lucky? Well do ya punk!"
Dirty Harry Callahan
Good to see you BA
What do you project as the starting line?
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by Rich Langford on Jun 9, 2011 10:05 PM PDT up reply actions
Why?
I don’t know but somehow, I think that Mario will be comfortable at RT. Hence, game 1, I could see:
Veld – Lope – Wiz – Walk – Mario. Over the course of the year both Campbell and Barks will earn play time and may end up with starting jobs.
mario played RT at FSU and actually played pretty well there if im not mistaken.
he was one of cable’s project players that he thought he could swing in there at LT
by frank7da2tank on Jun 9, 2011 3:24 AM PDT up reply actions
The Raiders have tried Mario at Right tackle before
and he had problems with the foot work being opposite, Maybe if given enough time to get comfortable there Mario would be a serviceable RT, maybe not. It would be worth a shot if he’s brought back, but given the already short amount of time the players will have to get ready and the fact that Mario has not been out with the team in the player organized activities (POA’s) because of his contract status he will have even less time to make that transition.
So I think we’d be better off with a free agent that is already a RT to start the season and if B.Campbell or Joe Barks can push him off the starting spot great, if not then at least we’ll have a guy that can man the post for a year while the kids get their feet wet and learn the position.
"Now I know what your thinking, did he fire six shots or only five. Ive forgotten myself in all this excitement, but being that this is the 44 magnum, the most powerful handgun in the world and could blow your head clean off, you have to ask your question. Do I feel lucky? Well do ya punk!"
Dirty Harry Callahan
i totally agree that we need to bring someone in from FA there
the only guy i like though, hates to play RT. so with working with what we have, id like to say that bark was drafted to start right away but how can you be completly sold on someone like that this early yuh know?
by frank7da2tank on Jun 10, 2011 9:00 PM PDT up reply actions
I can't believe ANYONE is even considering "STUPID MARIO", Really !!!
One of Cable’s boy toys that didn’t work, “STUPID” being the optimal verbage in this case! Slow reaction time, causing holding penaties, movement penalties abound, for he seems to can’t remember the snap count, from one play tio the next, etc.etc. etc. !!!! Mario, REALLY ???? And since when Satale, standing at 6’3", 310 lbs. became to small for the right guard spot !!! He is the most AHTLETIC LINEMAN we have currently, and if I remember correctly, pulled on more running plays than any other lineman last year !!!! Some of you are having WAY to many unreal expectations, but thats just my opinion !!!
You just said it.
6’3" is too short. Really.
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