Beware

by scarfacenson on Jul 26, 2011 3:02 PM PDT

Shane Lechler,DHB,Tommy Kelly,Hiram Eugene and Thomas Howard you should all be ready to re-structure or be cut. The Raiders are close to contending and not one of you have come close to earning your money. If Al will let Nnamdi walk because of money all of you can easily be replaced. We are 10-15 mil over the cap and need linemen and recievers, so unless you can pass block or catch(DHB) BEWARE

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Meh

Lechler and Kelly have earned their $$$$, Kelly just recently though he’s a Monster in the middle with Seymour. Everybody else you just mentioned, your on point with.

by sirdingaling91 on Jul 26, 2011 3:35 PM PDT reply actions

ur right

but lechler is way over paid 4 a malcontent punter

by scarfacenson on Jul 26, 2011 3:49 PM PDT up reply actions

imo, he can be as malcontent as he wants

as long as he kicks that thing 50+ yards everytime.

Don't confuse me with the facts, my mind is made up!!

by naq92 on Jul 26, 2011 4:54 PM PDT up reply actions

+1

by RyanTheRaider on Jul 26, 2011 10:49 PM PDT up reply actions

we just cleaned house lol were still 14mil over the cap ..... oops

by aa420 on Jul 27, 2011 9:11 AM PDT up reply actions

any body who thinks lechler aint worth $4mil does not understand the the importance of feild position , without lechler keeping the offenses pinned inside the 20 you can take at least 3 wins off our record last year hes earning his keep

Kelly has under performed his contract but came on strong last year and dont forget it takes a year or two to completely recover from the injury he suffered , i dont care about eugene either way but his salary aint breaking the bank and Al didnt sign him to cut him 12 weeks later he gives us good minutes off the bench , howard could eat a dick for all i care but that wont save us much money , we need a long term deal with wimbley to spread that franchise money out over a few years , after all Al’s done for Kelly the least he could do is renegotiate his deal to clear some cap room but the biggest salary on our book taking up space for 750yrds in two years is heyward bey , how come that lifeless lump of crap aint on your radar for the hatchet

by aa420 on Jul 27, 2011 9:01 AM PDT up reply actions

DHB

salary cap hit is only 1 mil this year

by RyanTheRaider on Jul 27, 2011 9:05 AM PDT up reply actions

lol a million here a million there and pretty soon you got real money , fuck DHB's 350 yrds a year in the neck lol

by aa420 on Jul 27, 2011 9:08 AM PDT up reply actions

trade DHB for a new chalk spreader wed get more yards out of it

by aa420 on Jul 27, 2011 9:09 AM PDT up reply actions

but with that 1 mil

you get a former 1st round WR with great speed,works very hard,and has tons of potential.This looks like it may be DHBs breakout year with all the work he puts in, the time he spent working with Campbell, Hue finding new ways to use him kinda like he did with Mcfadden, and Campbell having more time to throw behind a improved line(especially if we get Gaither). It looks good for DHB.

by RyanTheRaider on Jul 27, 2011 9:27 AM PDT up reply actions

it doesnt matter how fast you get to the end zone if you cant bring the ball with you though

by aa420 on Jul 27, 2011 6:14 PM PDT up reply actions

yeah

but my point is, its not worth it to cut him when hes only gonna be making 1 mil, and he has the potential to be great.

by RyanTheRaider on Jul 28, 2011 1:22 AM PDT up reply actions

totally understand

DHB is #2 on the list and Lechler isnt pinnin people inside the 20 like he used to a good clue about lechlers future is having pakulak on the roster

by scarfacenson on Jul 27, 2011 11:21 AM PDT up reply actions

we always sign a extra K/P

to take the load off our pro bowlers during camp

by RyanTheRaider on Jul 27, 2011 11:23 AM PDT up reply actions

But...

it would be nice if they restructured their deals :)

by sirdingaling91 on Jul 26, 2011 3:35 PM PDT reply actions

agreed

by scarfacenson on Jul 26, 2011 3:50 PM PDT up reply actions

You should definitely cut Kelly, Heyward-Bey, and Lechler

Ryan Succop will be the kicker for the AFC in the 2011 Pro Bowl

by PVChiefsfan on Jul 26, 2011 3:37 PM PDT reply actions

take kelly out of that

and i shall agree with you. XD

and eugene.

I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP

by Jack'sAxe on Jul 26, 2011 3:56 PM PDT up reply actions

i know your not a raiders fan

so check kelly’s production last year. its the equivolent of the chiefs cutting someone like flowers…

Don't confuse me with the facts, my mind is made up!!

by naq92 on Jul 26, 2011 4:55 PM PDT up reply actions

I wonder how much Oakland would owe if DHB was to be cut for the remainder of his contract.

If all he costs is $1 million against the cap this year then it should be a no-brainer, bye bye Disgustingly Horrible Ball-player.

Trust No One
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by TAW on Jul 26, 2011 6:46 PM PDT up reply actions

idk, for only 1 mil id probably keep him....

thats like less than 1% for the payroll. whered you get the numbers though? im curious

Don't confuse me with the facts, my mind is made up!!

by naq92 on Jul 26, 2011 10:18 PM PDT up reply actions

rotoworld is a great source for contract info

Here is a link for DHB. The majority of DHB’s money came last year. He made around $21 million last year. It is this screwy second year roster bonus thing. He is only owed roughly $5 mil for the next three years, and I don’t think he has any accrued signing bonus for cap hits. Makes him cheap to keep and cheap to cut.

Eventually, all things merge into one, and a river runs through it.

by Rich Langford on Jul 26, 2011 10:38 PM PDT up reply actions

wow, thx

if thats the case i honestly dont see the point in cutting him anymore. even as a meh 3rd or 4th receiver the money from here on out seems pretty fair…

Don't confuse me with the facts, my mind is made up!!

by naq92 on Jul 27, 2011 7:50 PM PDT up reply actions

I think we'll sign Nnamdi for one year.

by Jack'sAxe on Jul 26, 2011 3:56 PM PDT reply actions

disagree

we drafted too many dbs this yr and supposedly signed 1 udfa

by scarfacenson on Jul 26, 2011 4:10 PM PDT up reply actions

we signed a lot of DBs because we have no nickel corner,

and Chris Johnson and Stanford Routt were not performing very well. Checkwa may play Safety, and that leaves CJ, Routt, DVD, and an undrafted free agent we signed. Teams keep 5 CBs on their rosters all the time, seeing as how they also are efficient in special teams.

So I dont think having a few more CBs means Nnamdi will leave.

by Jack'sAxe on Jul 26, 2011 8:59 PM PDT up reply actions

I also

suspect that Chekwa is an option at FS. I’ve been saying it since we drafted him.

"In football, I root for the Oakland Raiders because they hire castoffs, outlaws, malcontents, and fuck -ups, they have lots of penalties, fights, and paybacks, and because Al Davis told the rest of the pig NFL owners to go get fucked. Someday, the Raiders will be strong again, and they will dip the ball in shit and shove it down the throats of the wholesome, white, heartland teams that pray together and don't deliver late hits." - George Carlin.

by Screwfish on Jul 26, 2011 9:05 PM PDT up reply actions

same here.

by Jack'sAxe on Jul 27, 2011 10:36 AM PDT up reply actions

He or DVD will start at FS sometime this season

S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
"I made a trade for Seymour. ..I thought it was a great trade. Still do. [Al Davis 1/2011]
Patience advances a man to better times.

by Sons-of-Blanda on Jul 28, 2011 2:17 PM PDT up reply actions

Forgetting abour McFadden and Ware

So we would have 6 CB’s if Nnamdi leaves, 7 if Checkwa sticks at corner.

by Trho14 on Jul 26, 2011 9:12 PM PDT up reply actions

simple solution

we cut one

by RyanTheRaider on Jul 26, 2011 10:51 PM PDT up reply actions

This ^

or they can contribute on special teams.

by Jack'sAxe on Jul 27, 2011 10:36 AM PDT up reply actions

Ware is another cat being groomed for free

"tough times call for perseverance and a tough mind. I have been told that I can't play football before. We all know what happened with that. #neverquit"--Mark Herzlich

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by brhynno on Jul 28, 2011 3:06 PM PDT up reply actions

routt

routt was tied for league lead w/ revis in passes defended i thought he performed well since they always threw to his side

by scarfacenson on Jul 27, 2011 11:26 AM PDT up reply actions

but he also gave up a lot of TDs.

he is inconsistent. very inconsistent.

by Jack'sAxe on Jul 27, 2011 11:34 AM PDT up reply actions

he only gave up

1 more td than revis in 43 more targets, so revis is inconsistent too?

by RyanTheRaider on Jul 27, 2011 11:37 AM PDT up reply actions

I can safely say that 43 more of those targets most of them would be completions.

Revis commanded QBs not to throw to him. QBs threw to routt with success.

He was also among the bottom worst when it comes to YAC allowed(4.9).

by Jack'sAxe on Jul 27, 2011 12:20 PM PDT up reply actions

QBs HAD to throw at Routt

it was either Routt or Asom. QBs threw at Routt with success? Targeted 99 times, 39 completions,39.4 % burn rate, 5tds. Revis,59 targets 19 completions,33.9% burn rate,4 tds.If they threw at Routt successfully they threw at revis successfully

by RyanTheRaider on Jul 27, 2011 12:29 PM PDT up reply actions

Don't forget that 2 of those 5 touchdowns were not Routt's fault.

Those two touchdowns were well explained in interviews with Routt. Not sure but I think it was on espn.

by RaiderPsycho on Jul 27, 2011 12:31 PM PDT up reply actions

yeah, heres an article about it

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdown_corner/post/Higher-Education-Stanford-Routt-and-the-touchd?urn=nfl-wp3180

by RyanTheRaider on Jul 27, 2011 1:03 PM PDT up reply actions

Your right that he got picked on the most.

but Ive seen him get burned quite a bit too. the numbers dont lie, sure, but he didnt show me anything that told me he could be a #1 corner. Maybe he will prove me wrong though but as it is, he is like our Ellis Hobbs. Good #2, but cant be #1. thats how I look at him.

by Jack'sAxe on Jul 27, 2011 12:59 PM PDT up reply actions

Routt did cover the

receiver alot last season

by RyanTheRaider on Jul 27, 2011 1:14 PM PDT up reply actions

#1

i think hes ready, i think he may be avoided like nnamdi

by RyanTheRaider on Jul 27, 2011 1:15 PM PDT up reply actions

Actually I think you are right... he did.

well then I suppose he would surprise me even more then. Not as bad as I thought he was, but at least he has experience against the #1. But when it comes to full time covering the #1, I think he will not do as well if he did “well” when only covering the #1 half of the time or however many times he did last season. But that is left to be seen i guess, and Im sure the other team would throw to the #2 anyways. lol

by Jack'sAxe on Jul 27, 2011 1:50 PM PDT up reply actions

and what do you mean

“I can safely say that 43 more of those targets most of them would be completions.” are you talking about revis or Routt?

by RyanTheRaider on Jul 27, 2011 12:30 PM PDT up reply actions

routt.

and judging by the numbers you gave me, it seems to not really be the case. I guess I was over expecting it.

by Jack'sAxe on Jul 27, 2011 1:02 PM PDT up reply actions

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/584108-oakland-raiders-cb-stanford-routt-compared-to-darrelle-revis-and-nnamdi-asomugha

by RyanTheRaider on Jul 27, 2011 11:40 AM PDT up reply actions

routt played well in a contract year , the trick is will he back it up now that hes rich , i hope so , i actually thought he played better than asomagua last year

i know i know he was hurt and he didnt give up a touchdown , but nearly half of everything thrown to his side was completed , routt was definately matched up on the #1 recievers more i just get nervous considering that last year was the only one in his career he played to potential

by aa420 on Jul 27, 2011 6:20 PM PDT up reply actions

we might sign nnamdi

but not for one year. unless he’s feelin really generous towards the raiders..

Don't confuse me with the facts, my mind is made up!!

by naq92 on Jul 26, 2011 4:56 PM PDT up reply actions

I think he would sign for a year with us.

Although if he had a choice between a year with us, and 6 years with another team, that is left on Nnamdi himself. If he loves the raiders they way we think he does, I won’t be surprised if he returns for one more year, and he can receive a bonus after that if he plays well, or we can sign him to a big contract after that. I think it’s possible.

by Jack'sAxe on Jul 26, 2011 9:00 PM PDT up reply actions

not that he doesnt love the raiders or anything

i have no idea what he thinks about the team. but to take a one year deal would be to degrade himself. He would be pretty much letting the FO take advantage of him. I think he wouldnt do that just because he knows he deserves more respect.

You either give him a fair market value deal to try and keep him or you dont. You cant just sign superstars to one year/no risk deals, imho

Don't confuse me with the facts, my mind is made up!!

by naq92 on Jul 26, 2011 10:16 PM PDT up reply actions

the way I try and see it is

is that Nnamdi wants to stay in Oakland. If he thinks after they sign him for a year, and then they’ll pay him the big bucks, then I hope he would do that. Like a franchise tag, and signing the guy next year.

by Jack'sAxe on Jul 27, 2011 10:34 AM PDT up reply actions

hes gone worse yet he may be a jet , were gona have our hands full just to sign miller , hopefully get gaither and goldson and get under the cap , our front office has its hands full , if we gave routt 11.5mil it will take more to get asomagua or cromarti

jackson said our young corners will have to step up and i beleive him

by aa420 on Jul 27, 2011 6:27 PM PDT up reply actions

yeah. its far from likely he will return now.

by Jack'sAxe on Jul 27, 2011 8:14 PM PDT up reply actions

if he wants to stay in oakland

why would he sign for one year? unless he would prefer a scenario in which he has absolutely no security/leverage…

Don't confuse me with the facts, my mind is made up!!

by naq92 on Jul 27, 2011 7:48 PM PDT up reply actions

Asomagua is gone it will be all we can do to keep miller

by aa420 on Jul 27, 2011 9:04 AM PDT up reply actions

I would think DHB would be the first in Al's office

I know absolutely nothing about this guy but if he is fast I say sign him up.
Long live Al

I think it's about time we all just agreed that NaS is the greatest of all-time.

by Ozraider on Jul 26, 2011 3:56 PM PDT reply actions

definitely

no way a #4 can get that much $. as a rule i say we dont draft a rec. before 3rd rnd. from here on out

by scarfacenson on Jul 26, 2011 4:13 PM PDT up reply actions

DHB is just over a $1 million cap hit this year

and Howard is a free agent. I definitely think Kelly and Lechler should restructure. If they do, it will save about $8 mil just with those two.

Eugene could be cut, but the Raiders need FS not get rid of them. If they can upgrade, I am all for them cutting Hiram.

Eventually, all things merge into one, and a river runs through it.

by Rich Langford on Jul 26, 2011 4:40 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs

Took the words out of my mouth.

I love Nnamdi Asomugha.

by JaKe. on Jul 26, 2011 6:23 PM PDT up reply actions

I like Checkwa at the FS position.

According to my ohio state friend, he would be better fit at FS, due to his vision and toughness (can also move in at slot CB too).

by Jack'sAxe on Jul 26, 2011 9:02 PM PDT up reply actions

I like this

I know absolutely nothing about this guy but if he is fast I say sign him up.
Long live Al

I think it's about time we all just agreed that NaS is the greatest of all-time.

by Ozraider on Jul 27, 2011 1:37 AM PDT up reply actions

+1

by Realtooreal on Jul 27, 2011 9:30 AM PDT up reply actions

Yes and no. We know who needs to be cut

but as for others, restructuring will be cool, but we’ll need to keep the starters. Eugene and Kelly aren’t going anywhere.

"tough times call for perseverance and a tough mind. I have been told that I can't play football before. We all know what happened with that. #neverquit"--Mark Herzlich

""The massive Raider Nation is beyond doubt the sleaziest and rudest and most sinister mob of thugs and wackos ever assembled."--Hunter S. Thompson

by brhynno on Jul 26, 2011 4:46 PM PDT reply actions