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KA1Z3R's Keen Raiders Preseason Observations, Team Analysis, and Offseason Review Bonanza!



Football is back people, and not just football, Raider football! We just finished up the first of four preseason games and you know I've got a lot to talk about. Like every exhibition game there was good, bad, ugly, and of course; we still have to take everything from it with a grain of salt. I'm psyched to talk football, and a lot about offseason.

You know I hate the long intros so let's get right into it after the jump. After all, I've had a whole offseason of thoughts built up just ready to let it loose.

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But let me first say, this was again an exhibition game off an offseason with little camp and no OTA's or minicamps. A lot of teams are far from regular season form. Heck they might be in preseason form when the regular season starts. Things are very far from set in stone. Also, the Raiders did just play the Cardinals who are legitimately in the running for Andrew Luck despite paying and trading a ton for Kevin Kolb.

Raiders passing game- I won't flood with you stats. Let's just look at things as they are. The Raiders passing game looked very solid out there. This without Jacoby Ford and Louis Murphy. The pass blocking was good, with the obvious exception of Khalif Barnes. Good news though, I fully expect Barksdale to start at RT as I have since he was drafted.

However, they did play against a secondary that was terrible last year even with Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie (who himself was pretty bad). The Cards also have a pretty terrible pass rush. However! The Raiders first team played like they should against such a terrible pass defense. Campbell I don't believe ever got sacked. The Raiders receivers got open consistently and didn't drop too many passes.

Despite lockout offseason rust, the Raiders passing game played the Cards terrible pass defense just like that, as a terrible pass defense. A huge positive when you consider that at times the passing game looked only average against bad pass defenses. I can finally say Oakland has a legitimate passing game.

Raiders running game- Aside from a couple nice Michael Bush runs I was really disappointed here. Sure Darren McFadden didn't play, sure this is the first time the running game is running plays from handoff to tackle in a game situation, etc. Michael Bush is one of the hardest backs to stuff in the entire NFL. It's almost impossible to keep him from gaining 4 or 5 yards at least, on every handoff.

However, he ran for a little over 3 YPC going 5 for 16. Add in that one 7 yards run and he's now running on 4 for 9. This isn't Michael Bush, this is the offensive line and Marcel Reece. I know the line's chemistry is next to nothing, but if they don't step it up by the time the regular season rolls around, I will be very worried. If we could just barely manage 3 YPC against the Arizona Cardinals, I shutter wondering how we'll fare against some of the teams on the schedule.

Of course things are from set in stone once again, but it's hard to look at the first team's performance and not be legitimately concerned.

Raiders pass defense- Demarcus Van Dyke is terrible, DVD sucks, horrible pick, bla bla bla. Everyone just calm down. He was playing against Larry Fitzgerald. I'd be more shocked and upset if Fitzgerald struggled at all against a rookie nickel/dime corner. The fact he was getting beat against a deep Cards receiving corps who no matter what has always been a 4 man deep unit for a while now in the preseason in his first NFL action means next to nothing.

The only thing we learned about DVD is what we all should know by now. He's going to struggle against and get manhandled by the bigger more physical receivers in the NFL. He's going to struggle in his first year because it is just that, his first year. He's a developmental guy and I really doubt he'll such much action this year in all honesty. Why?

Let's just go ahead and anoint Jeremy Ware the nickel corner spot. Walter McFadden and DVD are nearly identical in that both are developmental projects who should be manning the dime spot, and rotating in against small speedsters in the slot. Ware is more apt to the big physical receivers, and the more well-rounded complete package guys. Jeremy Ware has shown more and played more and deserves the spot. If he doesn't get the job then I'm going to be severely questioning the status of Hue Jackson. Just another puppet perhaps? If DVD gets the nickel spot this year I will have to answer yes. Luckily, I'm leaning towards Hue putting Ware at nickel.

The Raiders pass rush will still be incredibly dominant this year. That Cards line might be the worst in the league, and the Raiders once again played like they were playing a bad line. Their O-Line was like a plastic bag caught in an Autumn Wind.

Lastly, I told you so once again. Routt and CJ handled themselves extremely well. I was expecting one of them to let up something to Fitz because I assumed they would struggle against that type of receiver. It was only one series, but then again I was expecting a touchdown or big play to Larry Fitzgerald in that one series.

Raiders rush defense- Beanie Wells had a 15 yard run. Outside of that run he was 5 for 7. Yep, this is still the same rush defense from last year. Stuff, short gain, short gain, stuff, big run. However that 15 yarder will likely be more yards and more consistent when it comes time to face actually decent backs. The rush D at the end of the year will more than likely have a bad ranking, but it'll be inflated by a lot of big runs.

Also, we better be praying Tim Tebow does not start in Denver. Oakland still struggles to stop QB scrambles thanks to pure man coverage and four man rushes (we blitzed a lot the past couple preseasons and we know how that changed come the regular season). This was also Kevin Kolb. He can run and is decently mobile, but he's not exactly one of the great scramblers in the league.

Overall- The team looks exactly the same as last year because it is largely the same team as last year. The running game struggled but last year it was rushing attack that got better as games wore on and defenses got tired. Expect much the same this year.

The good thing with this team looking the same as last year's 8-8 team is just that. They already look like that 8-8 team this early on. Last year the team looked like another 5-11 early on. We're already looking to be in 8-8 form with key players missing from this game. It'll be interesting to see though if that 8-8 team lingers around, or finally steps it up.

Now then I have a couple thoughts on how this team should look when the regular season starts and I'll start with the WR depth chart. Here's my thoughts on how and why the chart should be early on:

  1. Chaz Schilens- When healthy he's the best wide receiver on roster. People forget that he ran I believe a 4.5 and oh by the way, has the best hands of the receiving corps. He's a complete package player and is a legit #1 type receiver in the NFL. He should be #1 when healthy no matter what. He's simply the best on the team, and the most experienced.
  2. Denarius Moore- I told you so. When people said, just another speedster, I said this guy was going to challenge for a starting spot and was a complete package. Sure he dropped a pass in his first ever NFL action with only two weeks of true team workout and camp time. I'm surprised that under those circumstances he didn't do worse. He's another all-around well-rounded package and should definitely be starting if he keeps this up. If you want Moore of my thoughts (lol pun), check my draft impressions post.
  3. Jacoby Ford- First off this isn't to say Ford shouldn't play with first team. He'll of course be rotated and subbed in, and when not if Chaz goes down, he'll start. He's a dynamic burner who can make some highlight reel catches and is a HUGE mismatch. But he's like 5'9" or 5'10". He's just not big enough in my book to be starting on the outside. Use him in the slot to make the most of his speed and the mismatch.
  4. Darrius Heyward-Bey- He had a pretty good game last night, and has had a pretty good camp. We'll have to see how things go come regular season. If he does breakout this year, then he should start over Moore. If he does, I told you so. I told all of you so. 3 year learning curve anyone? I've been saying it all those 3 years. However, I don't expect him to. I just don't. Something about him I just can't say, yep this is the year he becomes a legit starter in the NFL. Luckily I did say 3-4 year learning curve. He should definitely rotate in a lot and get a lot of work in the slot and outside.
  5. Louis Murphy- Overrated in my book. The guy's hands are pretty bad and he just hasn't shown me any reason to expect him to be better than the other four. He might however be the best #5 receiver in the league.
  6. Derek Hagan- Tough veteran possession receiver. No one else on the team like that. There's plenty of guys with Nick Miller speed though. Hagan should make the team.

Notice there I said should at the beginning. However my honest prediction which makes me incredibly mad is:

  1. Schilens
  2. DHB
  3. Ford
  4. Moore
  5. Murphy
  6. Miller

Moore is better than DHB though I'll say he is equal to Ford, just Ford works better in the slot and in rotation. Moore will probably get pushed down to #4 WR duties which includes occasional slot rotation and only showing up in the 4 wide receiver looks which Oakland doesn't really like to run.

Hagan>Miller and it's not even close.

Here's my quick prediction on the O-Line and I believe this also the best line.

LT Jared Veldheer- He's the best LT on roster, though that's not saying much. Wish we could have gotten someone better so he could play the spot he's right for, RT. Still a solid guy on the left side though.

LG Stephon Heyer- Apologize if misspelled. He came in for only a couple snaps here and blocked on the only two Michael Bush runs that made me happy. That's good enough for me. Also I think his starting experience gives him a sizable edge over Daniel Loper. Heyer is a physical guy who should have been playing inside his whole career. i think he'll be a solid LG.

C Samson Satele- Again, I told you so. Satele may be smaller than the typical power blocking C. However, he looked good late in the year last year. Coincidentally we went to an almost all power blocking offense late last year too. Hmm.....maybe there's something to why Satele played so well late last year when power blocking really kicked in.

RG Stefen Wisniewski- He's too good not to start somewhere. His best years in college were at RG, he's not intelligent enough nor does he have the grasp on the game or the savvy to be center at this point, but he'll make a heck of a RG.

RT Joesph Barksdale- Normally I would oppose both right side spots to be manned by rookies, but Barksdale has been playing this scheme, with this type of run heavy offensive philosophy, with yearly powerhouse LSU. He's a very physical run blocker and is the best RT on roster. Though I can't wait for Wis to become the center of the future so that Joe can become the RG of the future. Till then, I'll think he'll surprise some people at RT.

General NFL offseason thoughts-

  • The Eagles elevated an already top-10 pass defense and in the process made an already average rush defense even worse. Good luck in that run heavy division. I'm sure the Giants will love it.
  • Seems the Andrew Luck contest is in full swing as the Bengals, Dolphins, 49ers, and Cardinals seem hellbent on becoming the worst team in the NFL. The only problem is the Dolphins were the only ones who didn't throw a ton of money or high draft picks towards QB. I don't think the others know how to play the game.
  • New England is probably still going to be the best regular season team in the AFC and I'm gonna say Shaun Ellis and Andre Carter are the only two moves that play any significant part in it.
  • Zach Miller is already regretting playing Seattle. It only took a pass thrown way too high to Miller from Tavarris Jackson on a middle seam that set up Miller to get his ribs speared by Bob Sanders in the preseason. Have fun with the year Miller. Hope Tavarris Jackson doesn't get you killed. And that's not an expression either, he could literally get you killed.
  • How long before Adrian Peterson requests a trade out of Minnesota? My guess, not soon enough.
  • How long before Chris Johnson requests a trade out of Tennessee? My guess, way to make them give you a huge long-term deal (most likely). Definitely not soon enough.
  • Tim Tebow will eventually start over Kyle Orton at some point this year despite Orton probably playing a lot better. Tebow will probably finish with a losing record only beating bad pass defenses and get heralded in the media for the second straight year.
  • My surprise playoff team comes from the AFC South. That's right. The one we've all been waiting for and that everyone keeps predicting every year. Yep, the Jacksonville Jaguars. Oh wait, you thought I meant Houston? Sorry folks. Whether it's Blaine Gabbert or David Garrard, the Jags have a good enough quarterback to manage the game for Maurice Jones-Drew who finally has a backfield buddy in Rashad Jennings. They have perhaps the best linebacker corps on the NFL. And their division is practically begging them to make playoffs. In a division built to stop Peyton Manning (and failing miserably), the only competent rush defense is the one in Jacksonville.
  • I'm not buying the Lions hype. The D finally looks good, except the secondary sucks. And the offense looks good, except the QB can't stay healthy and the running game sucks. But guess what, I say they finish second in the division because.........
  • The Bears are going to fall hard this year. How they were the #1 seed in the NFC last year is simply beyond me and they've done nothing to inspire confidence otherwise. Hellbent on having the worst group of TE's in the NFL, moving the worst RT in the NFL in pass protection to the LT spot, not doing anything to notably improve their secondary, and making their wide receivers even worse by most likely starting Roy Williams has got me saying the Bears will go 6-10. They got worse than they did last year when I already couldn't understand how they weren't 6-10 last year.
  • Neither the Bucs nor the Cowboys will take the Bears playoff spot. Instead it'll be, hold onto your hats folks, the New York Giants. Did everyone forget they were one game from taking the Packers spot in the playoffs or that they did get better this year simply from getting guys healthy (sound familiar Green Bay?) and drafting, in my opinion, the next elite corner in Prince Amukamara. "But Osi Umenyiora will cause a distraction." Yes, an average and highly overrated defensive end who barely contributed last year will be a distraction. The Giants mentality won't let that happen. They'll be just fine.
  • I still hold the firm belief that Kansas City is better than San Diego. KC got even better, those young guys are getting even better, and Connor Baldwin is my bet for the Mike Williams award of rookie WR in the second round who makes a huge impact. Don't worry my Raider brethren, we'll still beat KC this year. Though I'll only say once.
  • The Jets won't make the AFC Championship game. They're worse then they were last year. However, I did say the exact same thing last year.
  • Ernie Sims is still incredibly overrated. PFF's worst linebacker of the past three years is still starting. Oh wait I already said the Eagles rush D would suck.
  • The Saints are going to be incredible this year. No way around it. They are going to be simply incredible. 14-2 anyone? The only thing holding them back is sucky linebackers, just like Philadelphia. Unlike Philadelphia though, Jonathan Vilma is still pretty good and the Saints D-Line is going to kill the run. That 14-2 comes with heaping, and I really mean heaping, helping of Aubrayo Franklin.
  • This might be my longest post ever.
  • Jerricho Cotchery to Pittsburgh immediately gives the Steelers the deepest receiving corps in the NFL.
  • The West divisions are still the worst in football, which means we'll still never stop hearing about ESPN's East Coast darlings.
  • The Panthers will improve to 6-10 if Clausen starts. If Newton starts then add them to my list of teams hellbent on getting Andrew Luck who already spent a ton of cash or high draft picks on QB. At least when Oakland was hellbent on getting J-Russ they did it right. By being cheap and giving themselves the need with Aaron Brooks and Andrew Walter.

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Nice Write Up ..

Aside from you offseason thoughts, I agreed with your assessment of the game and the players. I wouldn’t go as far to say that Denarius Moore is just as good as Jacoby Ford. He looks very promising though. As far as the knock on Murphy, the only game I can really remember him dropping catchable balls is that last drive against the Texans. I know he has had some, but I believe he’s one of the more reliable receivers in the group.

Just Win, Baby ..

by RaiderCreator5150 on Aug 12, 2011 7:53 AM PDT reply actions  

The problem may not be so much drops, though he does drop quite a few, it’s the ones he’ll let go by. Sometimes not trying to make the hard catch or make the play like Jacoby Ford does. He drops some catchables, but he also doesn’t go for the play or make the catch in traffic. Ford and Schilens are great at making tough catches and catches in traffic.

Murphy just isn’t very consistent. Though if DHB is the same as last year, Murphy should be the #4. Though even if DHB doesn’t breakout like I don’t think he will (at least in the eyes of many’s definition of breaking out for him), he looks to be improved enough that I can say he should be considered better than Louis Murphy.

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by KA1Z3R on Aug 12, 2011 8:18 AM PDT up reply actions  

Nice write up, but I have to disagree a little on murph. He may drop a few, still just a 3rd year player, but he hauled in 53%the compared to dhb’s 40%. And what stands out to me of murph is gritty snags, the cincy game, pitt, Arizona, jacksonville. He was the guy who nutted up and made catches, a lot like ford did last year. Im sure he will only get better coming into his 3rdpups year and has shown he’s more consistent than dhb.

by rodeosnake12 on Aug 12, 2011 11:19 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

Sorry about the grammar, this phone will throw in random words on its own and I don’t see them, lol. Drives me crazy.

by rodeosnake12 on Aug 12, 2011 11:22 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

It seems like the Schilens injury is not serious at all.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2011/08/12/SPOA1KMLII.DTL

Jackson was more optimistic about Schilens’ injury. “He was walking around in the locker room, but we’ll have to wait and make sure,” he said.

What a sigh of relief!

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by ClipperBEAST on Aug 12, 2011 9:25 AM PDT reply actions  

Nice write-up

But just to be clear, if DHB has a break out year, you told us so. And if he doesn’t . . . you also told us so? Way to CYA. :)

It comes down to reality
And it's fine with me 'cause I've let it slide

by SavageBeast on Aug 12, 2011 9:42 AM PDT reply actions  

if he doesn’t break out this year or next year then you all can me wrong since that was my initial claim. I could still see it happening, but my guess is not until next year in that 4th year. Haha I’m more of a contradiction than Starburst.

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by KA1Z3R on Aug 12, 2011 11:15 AM PDT up reply actions  

I’m more of a contradiction than Starburst.

Excellent. I haven’t given up hope on him yet.

It comes down to reality
And it's fine with me 'cause I've let it slide

by SavageBeast on Aug 12, 2011 2:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

prince amukamara broke his foot and is out for 2 months

I think he is the next great corner but I don’t think we will see anything close to what he is capable of until like week 10

"We want to win. The Raider fans deserve it. The Raider players deserve it, even my organization deserves it. You have to win and you have to win with a vision for the Super Bowl. That's our passion here."--Al Davis

"Winning isn't everything, but wanting to win is."--Vince Lombardi

by Marcus Allen Krause on Aug 12, 2011 10:08 AM PDT via mobile reply actions  

oh wow didn’t hear that. Though I still think the Giants are gonna be in the playoffs this year.

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by KA1Z3R on Aug 12, 2011 11:14 AM PDT up reply actions  

i do too just figured u hadnt heard that. Good post man.

"We want to win. The Raider fans deserve it. The Raider players deserve it, even my organization deserves it. You have to win and you have to win with a vision for the Super Bowl. That's our passion here."--Al Davis

"Winning isn't everything, but wanting to win is."--Vince Lombardi

by Marcus Allen Krause on Aug 12, 2011 11:24 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

yeah i think the GIants are going to a good team this year

I think that division will be closer than people are touting at this stage

"Anytime you have an organization and an owner that wants to win as badly as Al Davis wants to win, and will spend the money to win, I don’t think you have as many barriers as you think. Those are easy. The ones that would be tough is where you didn’t have any good players and you had an owner or an organization that didn’t want to spend any money to get good players." - John Madden, 2008

"We’re going to be a tough, rugged football team that walks with a swagger and plays the way the Raiders used to play." Hue Jackson

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by Ozraider on Aug 12, 2011 11:25 AM PDT up reply actions  

Cowboys getting so much love when their secondary is terrible and could challenge to take over Houston’s spot as 32nd this year.

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by KA1Z3R on Aug 12, 2011 11:33 AM PDT up reply actions  

argh cowboys :/

and since when was Rob Ryan a good D Coordinator? I can’t remember any top defence’s that he has co-ordinated.

"Anytime you have an organization and an owner that wants to win as badly as Al Davis wants to win, and will spend the money to win, I don’t think you have as many barriers as you think. Those are easy. The ones that would be tough is where you didn’t have any good players and you had an owner or an organization that didn’t want to spend any money to get good players." - John Madden, 2008

"We’re going to be a tough, rugged football team that walks with a swagger and plays the way the Raiders used to play." Hue Jackson

RAW IS PUNK! WWE ZACKDOWN!!!

by Ozraider on Aug 12, 2011 11:34 AM PDT up reply actions  

Oh my god I know but yet they herald him. They do realize they got Rob and not Rex right? Sometimes I wonder. Also Felix Jones as the feature back, really?

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by KA1Z3R on Aug 12, 2011 11:35 AM PDT up reply actions  

Talk about living off your family name, I can't see the cowgirls making the playoffs this year

and who is their second back now? although I thought Tashard Choice was good but he seems to be number 3

"Anytime you have an organization and an owner that wants to win as badly as Al Davis wants to win, and will spend the money to win, I don’t think you have as many barriers as you think. Those are easy. The ones that would be tough is where you didn’t have any good players and you had an owner or an organization that didn’t want to spend any money to get good players." - John Madden, 2008

"We’re going to be a tough, rugged football team that walks with a swagger and plays the way the Raiders used to play." Hue Jackson

RAW IS PUNK! WWE ZACKDOWN!!!

by Ozraider on Aug 12, 2011 11:38 AM PDT up reply actions  

Exactly him Tashard Choice is their number 2

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by KA1Z3R on Aug 12, 2011 11:38 AM PDT up reply actions  

Felix Jones, Tashard Choice, and DeMarco Murray are their top 3 RB

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by RDreamer on Aug 12, 2011 11:39 AM PDT up reply actions  

Murray=overrated

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by KA1Z3R on Aug 12, 2011 11:40 AM PDT up reply actions  

Jones and Choice are solid though. Murray will have lots of time to develop.

These are my principles. If you don't like them, I have others. -Groucho Marx

by RDreamer on Aug 12, 2011 11:41 AM PDT up reply actions  

The Cowboys always get love

Because they are the Cowboys. If they stay healthy, they will be very good, but it will be because of their excellent defensive line and their offensive weapons.

However, I watched the Cowboys game on the stream last night to see how Tim Tebow was doing (I am a huge fan of his), and it was a Cowboys feed. They mentioned that season tickets are still available at Cowboys Stadium. Are you fucking kidding me, Jerry Jones can’t sell that place out in the most football-rabid market in America?

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by RDreamer on Aug 12, 2011 11:37 AM PDT up reply actions  

"27-to-36" Which Is A Role Reversal Over Last Season...Rushes -to-Passes!!!

Our personality was different last night…We came out the gate as a Passing “O” rather than a Rushing “O”….Now a few things stick out about this that make me excited…

#1…It worked…And it worked to our "WR"s who caught 9/133yds…

#2…12/115yds went to our "RB"s-n-"TE"s so their production was still there…

#3…Only 13/36% hit the ground so our "QB"s were 64% efficient which is definitely an improvement….

#4…Our “QB” combined for only 2 Sacks losing a measly 14yds…Now that’s spectacular considering the last few seasons and such a young “OL”…

#5…Our passing game had 3 fumbles but didn’t lose any…That says we hustled to the “Pig” on the turf!!!

#6…Our "QB"s/“O” never turned that “Pig” over…No Int’s!!!

#7…Not everything was so great: Red Zone n 3rd dns were NOT!!!…Needs improvement…

Now it only the Preseason and I don’t expect this to be our personality out the gate in Denver but it’s really encouraging that we could and we did and without our primary weapons in this game…

by PantyRaider on Aug 12, 2011 10:23 AM PDT reply actions  

very true. The passing game was a pleasant surprise. Hopefully we’ll actually have a balanced attack this year.

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by KA1Z3R on Aug 12, 2011 11:22 AM PDT up reply actions  

The passing game can blow up huge

Once JC, Kyle, and Trent realize how much speed they have to play with, this passing game can just light it up.
I was a little dissapointed but gitty at the same time when I saw DHB get about 7-9 yards on the DB with the double move late in the first quarter, only to see JC drastically underthrow him for the incompletion along the sideline. Then, Edwards with I think about 7 mins left in the 3rd quarter, made the completion to Hagan that should have been 6 points but turned into a 3 point drive into the red zone just because he had to stop to catch it.
It was very exciting and I am happy to see them taking those shots. Just let the thing fly and watch our speed leave DBs grabbing for jerseys that aren’t there.

by ElMattAdor on Aug 12, 2011 12:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

Conner Baldwin?

First of all, you throwin' too many big words at me, and because I don't understand them, I'm gonna take 'em as disrespect...

by SFLChief on Aug 12, 2011 10:47 AM PDT reply actions  

jon conner. terminator reference?

"We want to win. The Raider fans deserve it. The Raider players deserve it, even my organization deserves it. You have to win and you have to win with a vision for the Super Bowl. That's our passion here."--Al Davis

"Winning isn't everything, but wanting to win is."--Vince Lombardi

by Marcus Allen Krause on Aug 12, 2011 10:52 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

I forget his first name. Whoever the Pitt receiver KC drafted.

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by KA1Z3R on Aug 12, 2011 11:23 AM PDT up reply actions  

jonathan Baldwin

"Anytime you have an organization and an owner that wants to win as badly as Al Davis wants to win, and will spend the money to win, I don’t think you have as many barriers as you think. Those are easy. The ones that would be tough is where you didn’t have any good players and you had an owner or an organization that didn’t want to spend any money to get good players." - John Madden, 2008

"We’re going to be a tough, rugged football team that walks with a swagger and plays the way the Raiders used to play." Hue Jackson

RAW IS PUNK! WWE ZACKDOWN!!!

by Ozraider on Aug 12, 2011 11:24 AM PDT up reply actions  

thanks lol

The Sunkist Kaiser, most epic thing since the Grizzly BLAAAAAAAIR! Relax, play, and drink Sunkist! Your Kaiser commands it.

by KA1Z3R on Aug 12, 2011 11:24 AM PDT up reply actions  

I really enjoyed your breakdown...

I wonder over here and the other blogs from time to time to get insite on rival teams and get they lowdown from rivals fans…..

Jon Baldwin 1st round pick

First of all, you throwin' too many big words at me, and because I don't understand them, I'm gonna take 'em as disrespect...

by SFLChief on Aug 12, 2011 11:41 AM PDT up reply actions  

excellent write up

the I told you so’s are a bit much though and are mildly insulting

"Anytime you have an organization and an owner that wants to win as badly as Al Davis wants to win, and will spend the money to win, I don’t think you have as many barriers as you think. Those are easy. The ones that would be tough is where you didn’t have any good players and you had an owner or an organization that didn’t want to spend any money to get good players." - John Madden, 2008

"We’re going to be a tough, rugged football team that walks with a swagger and plays the way the Raiders used to play." Hue Jackson

RAW IS PUNK! WWE ZACKDOWN!!!

by Ozraider on Aug 12, 2011 10:49 AM PDT reply actions   1 recs

Lots of people said even before camp that moore looked like a steal and lots of people thought Satele would be ok a center

sorry it just annoyed me lol

having said that I think you are pretty much on the mark with everything although I still think we need to see the C battle play our a little longer. definitely looks to me that Barksdale should start at RT. I thought DHB looked really good personally and if Chaz goes down i think we will start DHB and Murph with Ford being moved around and still getting a lot of snaps to Moore.

Totally agree about DVD which i think i posted somewhere else. I thought NIck Miller had a decent game but Hagan had the long play and also looked good, they are very different players so it kind of depends what they want to do, i if Chaz is our for a while that could be good for Hagan becasue they might want another outside guy on the roster, depends how comfortable they are with having Moore return kicks, he looked ok last night but seemed to struggle a bit in practice.

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by Ozraider on Aug 12, 2011 11:03 AM PDT up reply actions  

the center battle needs more time to play out i think

and also saying wiz isnt smart enough is waaayyy off. dood graduated with a 4.0 at gpa at penn state

by frank7da2tank on Aug 12, 2011 11:15 AM PDT up reply actions  

I meant in terms of reading the defense and the calls at the line in the NFL and how to play each type of player in the NFL. He never had to go up against 320+ NT’s in college, so he might not know how to handle them. He needs to learn the league more is what i meant.

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by KA1Z3R on Aug 12, 2011 11:27 AM PDT up reply actions  

righ right

i think he may start at RG but not because of satele not being as great but because of carlisle. going back over the film he has some serious woes in the PBS. no push that i can find

by frank7da2tank on Aug 12, 2011 11:32 AM PDT up reply actions  

lol sorry just those were things I called and a lot of people criticized me for and got onto me about. Well now it seems they’re coming to fruition and that I may have not been quite so crazy haha. The center battle is still early yes, but I think Satele’s experience holds off Wis for at least this season.

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by KA1Z3R on Aug 12, 2011 11:26 AM PDT up reply actions  

make no mistake buddy I am pretty sure the general consensus is that you are crazy

lmao.

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by Ozraider on Aug 12, 2011 11:32 AM PDT up reply actions  

I think my avatar pic says it all.

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by KA1Z3R on Aug 12, 2011 11:33 AM PDT up reply actions  

hahahhaha

true that :)

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by Ozraider on Aug 12, 2011 11:35 AM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Pass "D" Our #1's Against Their #1's....

K. Kolb 4/7 for 68yds and NO points…

Play-by-Play for 1st possession:

1-10-ARI 20 (15:00) 26-C.Wells left guard to ARZ 20 for no gain (77-M.Shaughnessy).

2-10-ARI 20 (14:23) 4-K.Kolb pass incomplete short left to 11-L.Fitzgerald.

3-10-ARI 20 (14:18) (Shotgun) 4-K.Kolb scrambles left end pushed ob at ARZ 35 for 15 yards (33-T.Branch).

1-10-ARI 35 (13:50) 4-K.Kolb pass short left to 85-E.Doucet to ARZ 35 for no gain (24-M.Huff, 92-R.Seymour).

2-10-ARI 35 (13:50) 4-K.Kolb pass incomplete short left to 87-J.King.

3-10-ARI 35 (13:50) 4-K.Kolb scrambles left end to ARZ 39 for 4 yards (93-T.Kelly).

2nd Possession:

1-10-ARI 14 (10:23) 4-K.Kolb pass short left to 86-T.Heap to ARZ 22 for 8 yards (52-Q.Groves).

2-2-ARI 22 (9:40) (Shotgun) 4-K.Kolb pass deep left to 11-L.Fitzgerald to OAK 35 for 43 yards (31-H.Eugene).

1-10-OAK 35 (8:50) 4-K.Kolb pass incomplete deep left to 11-L.Fitzgerald.

2-10-OAK 35 (8:46) PENALTY on ARZ-85-E.Doucet, False Start, 5 yards, enforced at OAK 35 – No Play.

2-15-OAK 40 (8:46) 4-K.Kolb pass short right to 11-L.Fitzgerald to OAK 23 for 17 yards (22-W.McFadden).

1-10-OAK 23 (8:10) 26-C.Wells left end to OAK 8 for 15 yards (27-S.Brown, 52-Q.Groves).

1-8-OAK 8 (7:33) 26-C.Wells up the middle to OAK 3 for 5 yards (50-T.Goethel, 52-Q.Groves).

2-3-OAK 3 (6:56) 26-C.Wells up the middle to OAK 1 for 2 yards (79-J.Henderson).

3-1-OAK 1 (6:13) 26-C.Wells right guard to OAK 1 for no gain (90-D.Bryant, 78-T.Hill).

4-1-OAK 1 (5:30) (Shotgun) 26-C.Wells up the middle to OAK 1 for no gain (99-L.Houston, 31-H.Eugene)

Now if you look our “DB” starters were out of there at the end of that 1st possession and our back-ups gave up yardage to Fitz…Now Fitz will burn Namndi so this shows exactly what…

That are back-ups suck and need allot of development still…But our #1’s stopped their #1’s cold!!!..Not giving up a single yard to the pass!!!

So I think we need to give it a little more time before we start downgrading our Pass “D”…

by PantyRaider on Aug 12, 2011 10:55 AM PDT reply actions  

Routt and CJ when starting opposite Nnamdi were the most targeted corners in the years of their respective stints starting opposite him. Yet both were top-10 in burn rate in terms of fewest completions allowed (CJ was 10th and Routt 3rd I believe. CJ’s in 2009 and Routt 2010).

Those two are legit corners in this league. Which is why I really don’t think losing Nnamdi is a big loss at all.

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by KA1Z3R on Aug 12, 2011 11:29 AM PDT up reply actions  

People are over reacting about the secondary to a certain extent

i thought Ware and DVD looked pretty most of the ime there was limited pass rush with the second and third teams. Our first choice are good NFL corners and Huff will be the primary Nickel

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by Ozraider on Aug 12, 2011 11:42 AM PDT up reply actions  

*looked pretty good most of the time considering there was limited pass rush

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by Ozraider on Aug 12, 2011 11:42 AM PDT up reply actions  

And Cj last year was 5th in the league for completions against and fourth was tied with nam. I know Cj didn’t start but still held his own when on the field. We will see the ints for this team rise with the departure of nam. As long as these two stay sound for 16 and hopefully into the postseason!

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Routt was tied with nam. Sorry

by rodeosnake12 on Aug 12, 2011 1:53 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

both those guys are great corners. Never understand why people say they suck. All the passes are getting completed on the dimes, linebackers, and Tyvon Branch. Big shocker, converted defensive ends Quentin Groves and Kamerion Wimbley can’t cover. Who would have guessed? Please stop dropping them in coverage and BLITZ THOSE CONVERTED DEFENSIVE ENDS!!!

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by KA1Z3R on Aug 12, 2011 3:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

What did you think of Trent Edwards?

I know he was playing vs. backups, but I felt he looked really strong out there.

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by RDreamer on Aug 12, 2011 11:30 AM PDT reply actions  

he was a very nice surprise. I love that we got him as a backup and think he’s a great option. He could start for a couple teams in the league, and it’s nice to finally say that about our backup.

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by KA1Z3R on Aug 12, 2011 11:32 AM PDT up reply actions  

It's good to have two guys who can start

We used to have zero. Many times during the JaCarcass era I wondered where in the hell Vince Evans was, and why couldn’t he rescue us from this hell.

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by RDreamer on Aug 12, 2011 11:34 AM PDT up reply actions  

haha well played

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by KA1Z3R on Aug 12, 2011 11:36 AM PDT up reply actions  

I wouldn’t want to do that. JC did a lot better last year when he wasn’t looking over his shoulder wondering if he was gonna get pulled.

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by KA1Z3R on Aug 13, 2011 12:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

I thought Boller looked ok as well

Pretty happy with our QB situation right now.

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by Ozraider on Aug 12, 2011 11:33 AM PDT up reply actions  

Edwards is a definite upgrade from Frye.

I see him passing Boller on depth chart for the real season.

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by BlackHeartSilverEyes on Aug 12, 2011 6:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

i may get a little flack for this but

I think dhb is what he is. I like his attitude and his work ethic and hope it pays off but I still see that bad habit he possesses when he needs to leave his feet for the ball. On that post where he had his man beat and j.c. under threw the ball, dhb leaves his feet but pulls his knees up to his chest and drops his hands as to make a basket catch and is underneath the defender instead of getting over the top with his hands in the air, extended and ready to snatch that sucker out of the air and haul it in. With his size he should bang away and over power his opposition but this habit he has is becoming a trademark and it will keep him from reaching another level. If our q’s can’t hit him on the fly then hope for a p.I. cause he isn’t coming down with it.

by rodeosnake12 on Aug 12, 2011 11:36 AM PDT via mobile reply actions  

I would focus more on the fact he had the corner beat than his desperate attempt to catch a bad ball

I was more happy with his strong catch with his hands on the comeback route and then the move he put on

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by Ozraider on Aug 12, 2011 11:47 AM PDT up reply actions  

i would have liked to hear he was working out with Fitz instead of Miller

I think they have similar size and dhb is faster. Fitz could have really helped teach him to go up and over the defender better since Fitz is the best at it.

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by Marcus Allen Krause on Aug 12, 2011 12:24 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

Fitz would really be a good work out partner.

No, my focus is still the same, as should dhb and his coaches. I would focus on fixing my weaknesses and the way he attacks the ball in traffic is a major problem still. It can’t all be Taylor made and he just doesn’t naturally have the instinct to over power guys and not only fighting for the ball but actually come down with it.

by rodeosnake12 on Aug 12, 2011 12:53 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

True ... which makes one wonder ...

Is it just a bad habit/technique, or is it an inherent hand/eye coordination problem?

Obviously the former could be worked on/out, but the latter is more a genetic thing that could be extremely difficult if not impossible to overcome.

Catching with this style has numerous disadvantages, that’s why the great WR’s in the league don’t do it.

Number 1 is that it totally negates your size advantage over the DB’s, essentially turning you from a ‘big’ target who can come down with a ball that’s anywhere in your vicinity (see: Rice, Timmy Brown, Moss, Fitzgerald, TO … all the greats, really) … into a very small one.

Number 2 is that it severely hampers your ability to get YAC, because you become a sitting duck for a moment there while your feet are off the ground.

Number 3 is that it’s just a lot harder to make a catch with your body than it is w/your hands … assuming you have decent hands.

This habit of his is very worrisome, bottom-line and as you say, he’ll never be even ‘good’ let alone ‘great’ if he doesn’t break it.

by Brett J Valjalo on Aug 13, 2011 1:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

well, only time will tell

Let’s hope for the best because he seems to be a very good kid and apparently works hard at trying to becoming a better receiver.

by rodeosnake12 on Aug 13, 2011 2:42 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

Since Chaz got dinged up again,

Is there a possibility that he gets cut?

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by ClipperBEAST on Aug 12, 2011 11:45 AM PDT reply actions  

chances are they were and will continue to be cautious

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Hue Jackson on WR Chaz Schilens: “Chaz has a knee that we will evaluate (today). … I saw him walking around the locker room and being OK.”

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by Ozraider on Aug 12, 2011 11:48 AM PDT up reply actions  

He's such a low salary spot that he isn't going anywhere

He just needs to be healthy he has a history of not being healthy that’s why he was still there in the 7th round…

by samiam2112 on Aug 12, 2011 4:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

No love for Sterling Moore?

He looked pretty good, granted it was late in the game. I’m keeping a close eye on him, he could be another gem that the Raiders have uncovered.

by Kyle_B on Aug 12, 2011 11:55 AM PDT reply actions  

He looked good but i can’t say anything for sure really since he was playing 3rd string. He’ll be on practice squad most likely. The corner depth chart will probably be:

1. Routt
2. CJ
3. Ware
4. McFadden
5. DVD

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by KA1Z3R on Aug 12, 2011 11:58 AM PDT up reply actions  

Too many corners at the point. Chekwa could easily take the 3 or 4 spot whenever he recovers.

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by KA1Z3R on Aug 12, 2011 3:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

Wouldn't be a bad idea.

Both McFadden and Ware played decent last year I just wonder why they are not improving. Did the lockout have that much affect on these young guys? If so they are just back to being rookies again.

by samiam2112 on Aug 12, 2011 4:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

Wait ... when did McFadden 'play decent'?

I thought I watched every game last year, and don’t recall him ever looking anything but totally lost out there in the few games he played in.

by Brett J Valjalo on Aug 13, 2011 1:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

+1

McFadden has always been terrible, not counting last years camp

by RyanTheRaider on Aug 13, 2011 2:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

Moore shows a lil something!

He has that decisive movement like every movement in his body has a purpose. He looks very confident I would like to see him stay on this squad.

by samiam2112 on Aug 12, 2011 4:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don't get the Ware hate

I though he looked solid covering the slot

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by Ozraider on Aug 12, 2011 5:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

no hate

just think we need Hayden and i like Moore

by RyanTheRaider on Aug 12, 2011 5:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

+1

i liked what saw,i just want to see him get some reps earlier.

by RyanTheRaider on Aug 12, 2011 12:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

So much I need to say....

on new england andre carter didnt play, and neither did shaun ellis. defensively, they played excellent without: Mayo, Wilfork, Spikes, Haynesworth, McCourty, one snap of bodden. I was very surprised. And I hope Taylor Price gets a chance at the starting job.

but on to the raiders:

I agree with most of what you said. Also keep in mind though, that Im sure the cardinals are improved on defense, and they are sure improved on offense now that they have a much much better QB.

Denarius Moore should be our #2 receiver with ford in the slot. I have been high on Moore (and ausberry for that matter) since we drafted him, and he has a lot of talent.

And when Checkwa is healthy, I expect him to start at the slot. But we’ll see what happens.

I liked the defense, and think it will improve much more if geothal starts. Im hoping Mitchell will start with branch or huff at FS. But I dont know how much mitchell has improved in the passing game.

And I think with CJ and ROutt starting, we should be fine in the secondary. not as good as last year, but i think we will survive.

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by Jack'sAxe on Aug 12, 2011 12:16 PM PDT reply actions  

Pats=best depth in the NFL. No doubts about it. I just think Haynesworth and Chad Johnson won’t do as much as Andre Carter or Shaun Ellis. Carter had a bad year playing out of position but is still a very good pass rusher, and Ellis was I believe PFF’s fourth or fifth ranked DE against the run last year. Those two are gonna have great years.

Wouldn’t be surprised if Andre Carter got double digit sacks.

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by KA1Z3R on Aug 12, 2011 3:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

eh we'll see. The one I am most excited about is Taylor Price. lol He was spectacular.

But yeah, I would like to see more of an attack from the raider’s offense. I know we are considered a control type offense, but I would like to see how they would do in desperate like situations(which call for a more aggressive offense). I want to see more passes, audibles making mismatchs.

This WAS the first pre-season game though. and I would think our offense was very very vanilla. I just like to see more WRs spread out, more passes to the RB, things that in a desperate situation would call for.

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by Jack'sAxe on Aug 13, 2011 11:25 AM PDT up reply actions  

well another thing about preseason, don’t show the league what you really want to do. In other words, don’t expect to see all those screens and Reece plays we like to do come regular season.

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by KA1Z3R on Aug 13, 2011 12:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

yeah i know. just like to see what we are capable of.

but that will likely not happen i suppose.

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by Jack'sAxe on Aug 13, 2011 4:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

we may get a Reece screen and hopefully Jones can get healed up and bust a big run. I wanna see that speed.

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by KA1Z3R on Aug 13, 2011 4:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

DHB is crap. Don't say he is equal to Ford. He has not shown once he can catch those hard long bombs.

You have to measure that shit and your hand reflexes should be tip top to catch it.
DHB no hands. Murphy has hands but drops some. DHB is worse bro.
WR depth chart:

  1. Chaz————— backup#4 Murphy
    #2Ford split snaps with #3 Moore.
    1 Chaz
    2 Ford
    3 Moore
    4 Murphy
    5 DHB

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by JaggerJaw on Aug 12, 2011 12:55 PM PDT reply actions  

lets see how DHB does.

He is a very very hard worker. I won’t be surprised if he breaks out this year or next year. He seems dedicated.

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by Jack'sAxe on Aug 12, 2011 1:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

+1

"Anytime you have an organization and an owner that wants to win as badly as Al Davis wants to win, and will spend the money to win, I don’t think you have as many barriers as you think. Those are easy. The ones that would be tough is where you didn’t have any good players and you had an owner or an organization that didn’t want to spend any money to get good players." - John Madden, 2008

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by Ozraider on Aug 12, 2011 2:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

Can we see how it shakes out?

All the DHB hate is kinda nutty!

Not many receivers on this team outwork him
Murphy drops more balls than DHB
You can’t teach that kind of speed
He has the ideal size to be outside receiver
He’s still young
He is tough after the catch
Second year in Hue’s system lets just see what happens.

by samiam2112 on Aug 12, 2011 4:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

The importent thing is that the Raiders have this group of recievers and can mix them any which way. All of them will contribute to the cause …. to make plays and move the chains. The most importent issue here is getting them the ball. Not to underthrow or to overthrow the recievers, give them the chance, eighter to take the pass in stride, or to come back to the ball… the pass has to be there , so they must get their timing right with the QB, then averything will be just fine …….

by Christos A. on Aug 12, 2011 1:47 PM PDT reply actions  

KA1Z3R Good work as usual, I caught the last half but I am recording it tonight and I will watch the entire game....

So I don’t have any real input on the performances, however, I will say this about DHB…The problem we all have is he was our #1 Draft Selection the year he came out. If he was a 4th rounder we wouldn’t have this argument, of course, we all have not liked the same things, so let me tell you what I do like about DHB. His size and his willingness to run after the catch, he does have speed and this season should be his best. This kid has worked hard, however, he may never be the guy you expect at his draft spot. If he can be consistent this season and catch the passes he should he will do great work for the Raiders this year. I will revisit this conversation after I watch the game in the morning. Go Raiders!!!

by Rodney Sacramento on Aug 12, 2011 2:29 PM PDT reply actions  

Completely Disagree with your assessment of Jacoby based on his height

Height has nothing to do with WR ability. Unless we are talking sub 5’6" of course.

Steve Smith and Santana Moss are two of the most productive Wr’s this decade. Take Steve Smith’s rookie year and compare it to what Jacoby Ford did. This isn’t to say he’s going to be better or as good. But to say that he is too short to be a starter is just silly.

Bill Williamson from ESPN and our very own Hue Jackson both think stardom is destined for young Jacoby “The Jedi” Ford. From the early reports of training camp they seemed to have tooled a certain degree of the playbook around getting the ball into his hands. Jacoby is our #1 WR in my book. He’s proven in his time to be the most reliable without any excuses like being injured or being young. I was of the opinion earlier in the year that Chaz is our #1 but sorry too many excuses around his lack of production. Jacoby is reliable and goes and gets the ball as good as I have seen in a long time.

Chaz Schilens IS healthy.

by DarthDavis on Aug 13, 2011 9:03 AM PDT reply actions  

I agree that height doesn't have much meaning

but steve smith and santana moss are no longer the most Productive WRs this decade. Steve Smith was once great, but injuries has plagued him, and Moss is good, but not great.

I think Ford can be our #1, but Chad is potentially much better than he is. When Chad plays, he is our most reliable receiver on the squad. He made JaMarcus look decent, which is saying a lot. Ever since the raiders drafted him, I kept my eye on him. He is better than Ford when healthy because of his superior route running skills, hands, body control. He’s not as fast as ford, but he is still very fast, and having a height of 6’4" is a great plus.

Ford is a great receiver, but if Chad is healthy, his height combined with his skills makes him more of a number one.

I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP

by Jack'sAxe on Aug 13, 2011 11:33 AM PDT up reply actions  

Chaz

i thought you were talking about chad jackson for a second lol

by RyanTheRaider on Aug 13, 2011 12:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

oh my god. lol

yeah i meant chaz.

I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP

by Jack'sAxe on Aug 13, 2011 4:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

After watching the game I think the Raiders are on the right track....

DarthDavis on Ford, I tend to agree he has a huge upside, at the end of the day he is just getting started. I expect Jacoby to be an outstanding WR he has already shown his potential, it will only get better.

On the game, I thought the Raiders played well overall, D. Moore is going to be an outstanding player for the Raiders, I can see him in the Slot rippin em up…I number 1 D faired well and I can see our DB’s are working on their games. For a first preseason game I give the team a B, for the number 1’s our O moved the ball with ease, M.Bush is in form running the ball, and the O line should have built a little confidence from thier work. I like the direction Hue is going in and hopefully this is a sign of what we can expect. Of course, we still have much work to do, and we don’t have all our starters out there but all in all it was a good clean effort.

You guys did a great job breaking players down so I won’t do that, I will say I am happy with the performances overall, I have seen much worse by the Raiders in the first preseason game. Go Raiders!!!

by Rodney Sacramento on Aug 13, 2011 9:25 AM PDT reply actions  

I was happy enough w/the first team ...

But definitely very concerned about our depth in the 2ndary, esp. with the loss of Eugene (our only legit ‘starting caliber’ backup in the entire 2ndary squad from what I’ve seen thus far). I think we have to be seriously thinking about spilling the cash for Hayden at this point.

Hagan and Ausberry made some nice grabs, as did that TE Brock (never even heard of teh guy before he caught a ball). Gordon also looked decent out there … we definitely are going to have an interesting battle for the TE #2 and 3 spots (iow I don’t think Myers is a lock for #2). I think we saw more passes to TE’s than we normally would in Thurs game for that very reason.

Trent Edwards looked surprisingly sharp in his first outing as a Raider, and I’d not be at all surprised to see him pass up Boller on the depth chart. I think he was a good pickup as insurance if JC goes down, cause honestly Boller instills very little confidence in me, personally.

All in all watching the game I very much got the feeling that the ONLY thing the coaching staff cared about was assessing the young talent, and didn’t care at all about actually winning the game. There were a lot of play calls I don’t think would’ve happened if the goal was to win.

For example, it was fairly obvious to me that Bennett could’ve done some real damage late in the game against the Card’s 3rd stringers. Two times in one of our last possessions he took a handoff, and he ran through them like a hot knife through butter. Not saying he’s still the above-average back he once was, nor that I’m certain he’ll make the team … but it seemed obvious he outmatched the Cards that were in the game at that point …

Had we actually wanted to win, I think we’d have kept feeding him the ball, at least until such time as the defense showed they could stop him. But we didn’t. Instead we tried getting others involved, like trying to get the (washout) Chad Jackson the ball … to see if he could do anything with it.

Although I don’t like losing I think it was smart to do what they did in this regard, because I think we have a lot of young talent that’s definitely worth looking at.

by Brett J Valjalo on Aug 13, 2011 2:20 PM PDT reply actions  

Allow me to add one more thing ... In My Humble Opinion!

I know we’re all pretty psyched about our young WR corps, we have a number of guys that if they can stay healthy (Chaz and Ford in particular) and work on their technique (DHB I’m looking at you) are truly exciting future prospects for being elite WR’s in this league …

Huge “BUT” here …

We do not at present have any elite WR’s. No 100% solid and dependable downfield targets for JC to really count on. And I really think that hurts our chances a lot.

Thus, what this team needs, IMHO, more than ANY one other thing … is one ‘elite’ or ‘go-to’ WR to draw the attention/double teams from the opposing defenses, and to mentor the youngsters. We very much need us a Timmy Brown, or a Jerry Rice (I know, fat chance), or a Fitzgerald, a Terrell Owens, an Andre Johnson … hell, even an Ochocinco would’ve fit the bill perfectly.

If you ask me, that’s what this team is lacking right now, and actually has been for quite some time. I honestly think we that kind of guy out there if we’re going to be serious contenders … or, heck, even get to the playoffs.

by Brett J Valjalo on Aug 13, 2011 2:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think Ford and Schilens are pretty dang reliable. Let alone what Moore is capable of. If we get a TO or something that gives less opportunities to a growing receiving corps. Patience Brett, they’re getting there. Just have to let them grow and play so they can learn. Hell look what Ford did in his first year. And 3 years is when most hit their peak. Him and Moore could get scary good, scary quick.

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by KA1Z3R on Aug 13, 2011 4:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

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