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Some teasers from the Oakland Raider's Personnel Packages: Brhynno's Charts and a Few Words


Everything I will say that isn't positive I must preface by saying it is little to worry about considering it's the first preseason game following the shortest preparatory offseason we've seen in decades. Three draftees who look like sure fire Raiders come September got some time, and for the most part made the most of it. Stefen Wisniewski looked like he needed the most work, while Denarius Moore showed that the camp hype is anything but, and Ausberry demonstrated he can be a red zone weapon that has been sorely lacking from our offense with a spectacular catch, making it look easy. Also, our team just looks markedly better with Hue Jackson wearing the Motorola headset, and card in hand. Soooooooo much better. TC looked lost with that thing in his hands, and so did our offense at times--the worst possible times.

Jump over for a brief look into the whole game charted, which will come after the weekend, and after I watch it all a few more times on DVR.

Star-divide

Let me start by providing a fantastic link some of you followers of PFF already checked out with the twitter link that came up earlier. For those of you who wonder what the hell we are talking about when we say, "zero technique, three, technique, etc, referring to how a tackle or end attack designated A, B, or C gaps on the offensive line, wonder no more. This is a fantastic breakdown with great illustrations, and will come in handy when we get into charts on the defensive side of the ball: FANTASTIC ARTICLE FROM PRO FOOTBALL FOCUS ON D. LINE TECHNIQUE

So we won the toss, and gave AZ the ball to start the game. Special teams coverage was solid, but not spectacular, to be expected. That's what I would've done, myself! No Darren in this one, no Ford, no Murph.

We came out in our traditional 4-3 Man Press defense. In the 4-3, our four lineman to start were Lamarr Houston, Richard Seymour, Tommy Kelly, and Matt Shaughnessy. No surprise there. This is an amazing unit. 3 lbs were Quentin Groves weakside, Rolando McClain at Mike, and Kamerion Wimbley on the strongside. In the secondary, Chris Johnson started CB on the weakside with Stanford Routt opposite, and Michael Huff and Tyvon Branch rounding them out at free safety and strong safety, respectively.

1st and 10 AZ: 21 personnel, two wideouts. A conservative first call by the Cardinals with a handoff to Wells from a shift to a weakside I formation for no gain, bringing up a clear, 2nd and long passing situation.

2nd and 10 AZ: 11 personnel single back set, three wide. The answer? A Michael Huff safety blitz from the free position (single high) which makes this tough, because he needs to sell to Kolb he's staying home. He gently walked up to the line, and timed the snap just perfectly running at Kolb past the blocking Wells to cause an errant pass that hit the dirt between Chris Johnson and Tyvon Branch. 

3 and 10. On this play, Jerome Boyd, S, came in to provide an additional safety, replacing one of the backers in Groves. Boyd postured like he was coming, but dropped back into coverage, with just the front four rushing. Kolb kept the ball and netted a 14 yard gain and a first down. On plays like these, we've got to dedicate a guy to spy qbs, or we'll get killed on similar plays all year, and Kolb is not even known for his footspeed or ability to make plays running.

1st and 10. Still in the 4-3, with Boyd the add'l safety on the field lined up deep, Routt and Johnson the corners, and Michael Huff on the slot receiver. Mike made a nice read and came up to stop (almost missed the tackle, but second effort and help in time got him) the quick dump off screen to Early Doucet, after Kolb audibled at the line. Plunk notes Huff looks a little "broader", and bigger in the arms than last year. This time Tyvon played the "impostor" pretending to be coming, then backing off into coverage.

2nd and 10. AZ back to 21 personnel, backs offset, two wide receivers. On this play, our front four absolutely blows up the pocket almost immediately, with Shaughnessy giving chase from the right side and showing the heads up ability to almost make a spectacular pick off the deflection by Wimbley getting in the face of Kolb. He looks like a safety in this play! Huge athleticism.

3 and 10. 20 personnel. 3 wide receivers. Bad call, as Kolb sees the pocket imploding immediatey again and tries to escape up the middle with Kelly grabbing him from behind. This would be all we'd see of our starting defense...

 

So, like I said, just a teaser so far! We'll resume with what we did on the offensive side of the ball. I was pleased with the qbs collective qb ratings, but I'll have the numbers for Jason's short action as well. Be sure to check out the link; it's worth reading for sure.

I'll be off the grid for the weekend, enjoying my first year anniversary imbibing in Paso Robles and getting some R&R. By all means, have your preferences for what you'd most like to see, and we'll watch this column evolve and become something we can all be a part of creating by mid-season.

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This may just be a teaser, but it still belongs on the front

I expect Mitchell will be taking Boyd’s spot in these packages when he returns. As for the QB scramble, the Raiders are always susceptible to this with their man defense.

Eventually, all things merge into one, and a river runs through it.

by Rich Langford on Aug 12, 2011 10:51 PM PDT reply actions  

Also, did you spend much time watching Barksdale

He looked solid on TV, but O-lineman are so much easier to get a read on in person.

Eventually, all things merge into one, and a river runs through it.

by Rich Langford on Aug 12, 2011 10:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

It was difficult to key on O line except when on our side of the field

I’ll be focusing on how far their gaps are (sliding to open or close) and where. I’ll also be looking for which of these rooks, and Barksdale, are tipping off to the defense what types of plays they’ll be running. But nothing in particular jumped out while there. As we progress, and I’m less focused on substitutions, I’ll be focusing almost entirely on the trenches on both sides of the ball. Barksdale will get some good critique, for sure, but I’m not planning on being too tough yet, expecting some rookie mistakes, but so long as we don’t hear much of the lineman mentioned otherwise, it’s usually a good thing.

Next week versus SF should provide some better action for big JB too, so I’m planning on doing a full play by play breakdown of personnel in that one too, but I’m sure just getting it out, we’ll get some fine input from folks here who’ve noticed things we miss focusing elsewhere. I’m so tempted to dive in right now, but I’ve promised the wife I’d abstain for this weekend. (late Sunday night is off limits! lol)

"tough times call for perseverance and a tough mind. I have been told that I can't play football before. We all know what happened with that. #neverquit"--Mark Herzlich

""The massive Raider Nation is beyond doubt the sleaziest and rudest and most sinister mob of thugs and wackos ever assembled."--Hunter S. Thompson

by brhynno on Aug 12, 2011 11:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

Initial assessment:

needs to learn to finish blocks better. Already witnessed a few run plays where it was his guy getting to the ballcarrier first, and if he’d have asserted his will on the end first, instead of seeming to wait on the opponent to see what he was going to do first (like a naturally nasty fella would) he’d have made the plays. He could also have adjusted his feet better in that moment to have better leverage to shield not only the end, but just about anyone trying to pursue from the edge.

"tough times call for perseverance and a tough mind. I have been told that I can't play football before. We all know what happened with that. #neverquit"--Mark Herzlich

""The massive Raider Nation is beyond doubt the sleaziest and rudest and most sinister mob of thugs and wackos ever assembled."--Hunter S. Thompson

by brhynno on Aug 13, 2011 12:17 AM PDT up reply actions  

and perhaps this propensity to adjust reactionally makes him better in the pass game

as he seems to fall back more quickly into a pass blocking technique, which he looks pretty good in, at least against AZs second teamers. Carlisle showing some heart getting to the second level, also noteworthy it’s against second teamers.

"tough times call for perseverance and a tough mind. I have been told that I can't play football before. We all know what happened with that. #neverquit"--Mark Herzlich

""The massive Raider Nation is beyond doubt the sleaziest and rudest and most sinister mob of thugs and wackos ever assembled."--Hunter S. Thompson

by brhynno on Aug 13, 2011 12:20 AM PDT up reply actions  

now that is some solid analysis right there!

"Anytime you have an organization and an owner that wants to win as badly as Al Davis wants to win, and will spend the money to win, I don’t think you have as many barriers as you think. Those are easy. The ones that would be tough is where you didn’t have any good players and you had an owner or an organization that didn’t want to spend any money to get good players." - John Madden, 2008

"We’re going to be a tough, rugged football team that walks with a swagger and plays the way the Raiders used to play." Hue Jackson

RAW IS PUNK! WWE ZACKDOWN!!!

by Ozraider on Aug 13, 2011 12:21 AM PDT up reply actions  

thanks, Oz!

do you get replays with your online pass?

"tough times call for perseverance and a tough mind. I have been told that I can't play football before. We all know what happened with that. #neverquit"--Mark Herzlich

""The massive Raider Nation is beyond doubt the sleaziest and rudest and most sinister mob of thugs and wackos ever assembled."--Hunter S. Thompson

by brhynno on Aug 13, 2011 12:44 AM PDT up reply actions  

yeah I can watch any game when ever as many times

I watched the game again today actually :)

"Anytime you have an organization and an owner that wants to win as badly as Al Davis wants to win, and will spend the money to win, I don’t think you have as many barriers as you think. Those are easy. The ones that would be tough is where you didn’t have any good players and you had an owner or an organization that didn’t want to spend any money to get good players." - John Madden, 2008

"We’re going to be a tough, rugged football team that walks with a swagger and plays the way the Raiders used to play." Hue Jackson

RAW IS PUNK! WWE ZACKDOWN!!!

by Ozraider on Aug 13, 2011 1:12 AM PDT up reply actions  

I totally agree with what you say about JB finishing blocks which is obviously even more important in the run game

One guy who definitely does not have that problem is Stefen, I personally thought JB had a better game overall than Wiz but I loved the attitude that Wizzy played with.

"Anytime you have an organization and an owner that wants to win as badly as Al Davis wants to win, and will spend the money to win, I don’t think you have as many barriers as you think. Those are easy. The ones that would be tough is where you didn’t have any good players and you had an owner or an organization that didn’t want to spend any money to get good players." - John Madden, 2008

"We’re going to be a tough, rugged football team that walks with a swagger and plays the way the Raiders used to play." Hue Jackson

RAW IS PUNK! WWE ZACKDOWN!!!

by Ozraider on Aug 13, 2011 1:18 AM PDT up reply actions  

But yeah JB seems more finesse and likes to 'massage' guys into where he is trying to take them rather than drive them in to the ground and smash their face in the dirt like Wiz.

"Anytime you have an organization and an owner that wants to win as badly as Al Davis wants to win, and will spend the money to win, I don’t think you have as many barriers as you think. Those are easy. The ones that would be tough is where you didn’t have any good players and you had an owner or an organization that didn’t want to spend any money to get good players." - John Madden, 2008

"We’re going to be a tough, rugged football team that walks with a swagger and plays the way the Raiders used to play." Hue Jackson

RAW IS PUNK! WWE ZACKDOWN!!!

by Ozraider on Aug 13, 2011 1:37 AM PDT up reply actions  

he does. Wiz just needs to get more comfortable, but the nasty will serve us right

his uncle should get the same out of the rest of these guys, and Bob Wylie for that matter.

"tough times call for perseverance and a tough mind. I have been told that I can't play football before. We all know what happened with that. #neverquit"--Mark Herzlich

""The massive Raider Nation is beyond doubt the sleaziest and rudest and most sinister mob of thugs and wackos ever assembled."--Hunter S. Thompson

by brhynno on Aug 13, 2011 1:38 AM PDT up reply actions  

cuz Barks was better technique wise, and in pass blocking

Wiz looked lost at times in both pass and run blocking, but especially pass. In him I see him reaching up to early on guys, allowing them to get under him, take him off his base, and push him back. This will improve with technique too. He’s never master “dropping his hips” like the quintessential pass blocker. You can get by in college without knowing how, but it won’t fly at this level. I’m confident he can at the very least improve here, if not get downright good at it.

"tough times call for perseverance and a tough mind. I have been told that I can't play football before. We all know what happened with that. #neverquit"--Mark Herzlich

""The massive Raider Nation is beyond doubt the sleaziest and rudest and most sinister mob of thugs and wackos ever assembled."--Hunter S. Thompson

by brhynno on Aug 13, 2011 1:41 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah I have pretty much have no worries about Wiz, he is the kind of player who will pick these things up pretty quickly after getting burned a couple of times

I am very interested to see next week assuming Taiwan comes back how Joe goes sealing the edges on more runs to the outside.

"Anytime you have an organization and an owner that wants to win as badly as Al Davis wants to win, and will spend the money to win, I don’t think you have as many barriers as you think. Those are easy. The ones that would be tough is where you didn’t have any good players and you had an owner or an organization that didn’t want to spend any money to get good players." - John Madden, 2008

"We’re going to be a tough, rugged football team that walks with a swagger and plays the way the Raiders used to play." Hue Jackson

RAW IS PUNK! WWE ZACKDOWN!!!

by Ozraider on Aug 13, 2011 1:48 AM PDT up reply actions  

I did like that one play of the Wiz early on-

He stayed on his man till after the play, like a dog that didn’t want to give up his bone-NICE. I agree with OZ n Rich, great assessment on the O Line rooks.

by Always a Raider on Aug 13, 2011 2:17 AM PDT up reply actions  

Great stuff on Barks

He did look solid in pass pro. Kinda surprising from what I saw from him earlier. Someone needs to get him to remp up his nasty. I’m not surprised at about Carlisle on the second level. He has always been solid on the second level. He and Satele are a great combo on downfield blocks.

Eventually, all things merge into one, and a river runs through it.

by Rich Langford on Aug 13, 2011 12:37 AM PDT up reply actions  

he definitely brings having faced some tough competition in school to the plate

because he knows he can adjust, great feet shuffle, and keeps his leverage turned with his back to the qb, always aware. More naturally a pass rusher, which is good, and on the right side, which is also good, but a little nasty will be right up our alley.

"tough times call for perseverance and a tough mind. I have been told that I can't play football before. We all know what happened with that. #neverquit"--Mark Herzlich

""The massive Raider Nation is beyond doubt the sleaziest and rudest and most sinister mob of thugs and wackos ever assembled."--Hunter S. Thompson

by brhynno on Aug 13, 2011 12:43 AM PDT up reply actions  

I'm finally watching the first half...

Say what you want about Bey
His one catch he ran a solid route squred his shoulders to the ball and caught with his hands! I never got to his chest…
He toasted his man on the next attempt and Campbell way under threw him….

I’m not saying he’s there but he looked good.

by samiam2112 on Aug 13, 2011 12:29 AM PDT reply actions  

totally agree

"Anytime you have an organization and an owner that wants to win as badly as Al Davis wants to win, and will spend the money to win, I don’t think you have as many barriers as you think. Those are easy. The ones that would be tough is where you didn’t have any good players and you had an owner or an organization that didn’t want to spend any money to get good players." - John Madden, 2008

"We’re going to be a tough, rugged football team that walks with a swagger and plays the way the Raiders used to play." Hue Jackson

RAW IS PUNK! WWE ZACKDOWN!!!

by Ozraider on Aug 13, 2011 12:37 AM PDT up reply actions  

and looked more at home and comfortable

but at this point with DHB, I don’t want to fall into a situation where we treat him differently because he’s suddenly catching a ball here and there. Let us not forget, it’s what he’s supposed to be doing. Keep believing, but let’s get to expect that’s what he should be doing, and not overly praise him for it (more advice for the coaches than us). We need to just believe.

Let there be no more anointing going on in this building! Jobs are earned, and titles are appropos, or we keep realizing we’re not as ideal at any given position than we are indicating.

"tough times call for perseverance and a tough mind. I have been told that I can't play football before. We all know what happened with that. #neverquit"--Mark Herzlich

""The massive Raider Nation is beyond doubt the sleaziest and rudest and most sinister mob of thugs and wackos ever assembled."--Hunter S. Thompson

by brhynno on Aug 13, 2011 12:49 AM PDT up reply actions  

I think Hue called it correctly

He said he used him too much as a decoy… I think with any young player you get them involved early!

by samiam2112 on Aug 13, 2011 12:52 AM PDT up reply actions  

your right but without getting to excited I thought he was our most impressive receiver

he just looked a lot more technically solid than have ever seen him before.

"Anytime you have an organization and an owner that wants to win as badly as Al Davis wants to win, and will spend the money to win, I don’t think you have as many barriers as you think. Those are easy. The ones that would be tough is where you didn’t have any good players and you had an owner or an organization that didn’t want to spend any money to get good players." - John Madden, 2008

"We’re going to be a tough, rugged football team that walks with a swagger and plays the way the Raiders used to play." Hue Jackson

RAW IS PUNK! WWE ZACKDOWN!!!

by Ozraider on Aug 13, 2011 1:21 AM PDT up reply actions  

He has the work ethic so maybe its paying off...

I’m really pulling for the kid… He still has to continue to grow , but he is improving so that’s progress!

by samiam2112 on Aug 13, 2011 1:24 AM PDT up reply actions  

I'm pulling for him too man-

Hope he puts it together in a big way this year. I think the stress of trying to prove himself shut his game down. He seems more relaxed in his role and this will help him greatly (and us). I’ve seen his college highlight reel when he was playing without that stress on his back and he looked GOOD!

by Always a Raider on Aug 13, 2011 2:42 AM PDT up reply actions  

The big play receivers will be... Not in the order listed...

The Good
Ford (Game changer)
Moore (Unkown but talented)
Bey (improved and always can break one)
McFadden (Extremely dangerous on a swing pass)
Reece (Match-up nightmare and great hands)
Ausberry (Great awareness! him and Boss on the goal line)
Boss ( involved but mostly just needs to keep the drives going! Goal line sets)
You never know what your gonna get
Murphy – needs better focus he plays hard in spurts
Shillens – sadly just can’t be depended on.

by samiam2112 on Aug 13, 2011 12:50 AM PDT up reply actions  

1st offensive drive with starters Reece lines up offset in 21 personnel

then motions halfway across as if switching to the opposite side of center (weak to strong) then stays and motions wide. This can destroy a mismatch, and Reece brings former receiver skills to the mix. If Campbell can learn to throw a nice deep ball (they were shit passes; seriously, I think I could’ve hit Reece in stride where only he’d have got it) he’s got that for a TD most times because Reece is bigger and stronger than the guy covering him most often, and can even jump over safeties!

Once, this netted a Reece out of bounds catch, that drew a PI flag. The other time, was just not catchable from the shit pass.

"tough times call for perseverance and a tough mind. I have been told that I can't play football before. We all know what happened with that. #neverquit"--Mark Herzlich

""The massive Raider Nation is beyond doubt the sleaziest and rudest and most sinister mob of thugs and wackos ever assembled."--Hunter S. Thompson

by brhynno on Aug 13, 2011 12:56 AM PDT up reply actions  

I think Campbell needs to air it out

This is the fastest team I can ever remember get it out there let it rip. I think Campbell gets caught up trying to be to fine… Reece is very talented I love that guy!

by samiam2112 on Aug 13, 2011 1:02 AM PDT up reply actions  

That play call was awesome, could have almost put money on it that they were going deep right there

after watching a few games again from last year I forgot how much they split him out. I think JC will get his timing down on those routes more as the preseason progresses.

"Anytime you have an organization and an owner that wants to win as badly as Al Davis wants to win, and will spend the money to win, I don’t think you have as many barriers as you think. Those are easy. The ones that would be tough is where you didn’t have any good players and you had an owner or an organization that didn’t want to spend any money to get good players." - John Madden, 2008

"We’re going to be a tough, rugged football team that walks with a swagger and plays the way the Raiders used to play." Hue Jackson

RAW IS PUNK! WWE ZACKDOWN!!!

by Ozraider on Aug 13, 2011 1:14 AM PDT up reply actions  

so the 21 personnel can still have two backs and 1te, but Reece becomes the third wideout

opening up crossing patterns, seam routes, skinny posts for the two real wideouts (Reece is for real too, lol) and Marcel excites and catches EVERYTHING.

we can do this with two back sets with Mike and Darren, or either and Taiwan, or either and Rankin, who has decent hands too.

"tough times call for perseverance and a tough mind. I have been told that I can't play football before. We all know what happened with that. #neverquit"--Mark Herzlich

""The massive Raider Nation is beyond doubt the sleaziest and rudest and most sinister mob of thugs and wackos ever assembled."--Hunter S. Thompson

by brhynno on Aug 13, 2011 12:58 AM PDT up reply actions  

I would like to see Rankin make it...

The team really seams to love Rock and he seems to be marginal. Fairly mediocre but well versed Assistant RB coach?

by samiam2112 on Aug 13, 2011 1:05 AM PDT up reply actions  

I think he dropped any chance of a roster spot with that fumble

If we have to go that deep which i doubt I still think Bennett is a better option

"Anytime you have an organization and an owner that wants to win as badly as Al Davis wants to win, and will spend the money to win, I don’t think you have as many barriers as you think. Those are easy. The ones that would be tough is where you didn’t have any good players and you had an owner or an organization that didn’t want to spend any money to get good players." - John Madden, 2008

"We’re going to be a tough, rugged football team that walks with a swagger and plays the way the Raiders used to play." Hue Jackson

RAW IS PUNK! WWE ZACKDOWN!!!

by Ozraider on Aug 13, 2011 1:15 AM PDT up reply actions  

You are probably correct...

Bennett 11 years of service going into his 12 he defies the odds.

by samiam2112 on Aug 13, 2011 1:20 AM PDT up reply actions  

I doubt either will make the roster anyway

it will be:
DMc
Bush
Taiwan
Rock

"Anytime you have an organization and an owner that wants to win as badly as Al Davis wants to win, and will spend the money to win, I don’t think you have as many barriers as you think. Those are easy. The ones that would be tough is where you didn’t have any good players and you had an owner or an organization that didn’t want to spend any money to get good players." - John Madden, 2008

"We’re going to be a tough, rugged football team that walks with a swagger and plays the way the Raiders used to play." Hue Jackson

RAW IS PUNK! WWE ZACKDOWN!!!

by Ozraider on Aug 13, 2011 1:21 AM PDT up reply actions  

Good Call

Can’t wait to see T. Jones on the field he’s kind of forgotten right now. His highlight reel is obscene!

by samiam2112 on Aug 13, 2011 1:31 AM PDT up reply actions  

Rock lights up the special teams unit

and tends to get better as season progresses, but the youth movement could prevail, if they outplay. Rock is all about this team, though, and will work his ass off. Also boasts good catching, but the fumbles in gametime will cost.

"tough times call for perseverance and a tough mind. I have been told that I can't play football before. We all know what happened with that. #neverquit"--Mark Herzlich

""The massive Raider Nation is beyond doubt the sleaziest and rudest and most sinister mob of thugs and wackos ever assembled."--Hunter S. Thompson

by brhynno on Aug 13, 2011 1:33 AM PDT up reply actions  

Rock is also one of the real leaders on this team

in regards to special teams I think Eugene going down makes Rock an absolute must

"Anytime you have an organization and an owner that wants to win as badly as Al Davis wants to win, and will spend the money to win, I don’t think you have as many barriers as you think. Those are easy. The ones that would be tough is where you didn’t have any good players and you had an owner or an organization that didn’t want to spend any money to get good players." - John Madden, 2008

"We’re going to be a tough, rugged football team that walks with a swagger and plays the way the Raiders used to play." Hue Jackson

RAW IS PUNK! WWE ZACKDOWN!!!

by Ozraider on Aug 13, 2011 1:35 AM PDT up reply actions  

The one thing we all learned:

Khalif Barnes needs to be taken out back and shot.

by Jason Scarbrough on Aug 13, 2011 12:48 AM PDT reply actions  

LOL. I'm hoping he gets it out of his sytem now

lest we forget, he never got reps at tackle, but that’s a nasty habit. He’s biting either on the distance the rush end is lining up, panicking thinking he needs to get the jump, or reacting to the guy flinching at him like he’s coming. Good coaching and technique should demonstrate he needs to keep eyes on his guys, but peripherals on the ball, and paying attention to peripherals for when to engage, not defense.

"tough times call for perseverance and a tough mind. I have been told that I can't play football before. We all know what happened with that. #neverquit"--Mark Herzlich

""The massive Raider Nation is beyond doubt the sleaziest and rudest and most sinister mob of thugs and wackos ever assembled."--Hunter S. Thompson

by brhynno on Aug 13, 2011 12:51 AM PDT up reply actions  

I hope Barksdale plays hard enough to win the spot

Hue ain’t gonna just hand it to him and fairly hes only been in camp for 2 weeks…

by samiam2112 on Aug 13, 2011 12:54 AM PDT up reply actions  

I don't mean never got reps, but hardly ever

"tough times call for perseverance and a tough mind. I have been told that I can't play football before. We all know what happened with that. #neverquit"--Mark Herzlich

""The massive Raider Nation is beyond doubt the sleaziest and rudest and most sinister mob of thugs and wackos ever assembled."--Hunter S. Thompson

by brhynno on Aug 13, 2011 12:51 AM PDT up reply actions  

I think it's too early to say that

"Anytime you have an organization and an owner that wants to win as badly as Al Davis wants to win, and will spend the money to win, I don’t think you have as many barriers as you think. Those are easy. The ones that would be tough is where you didn’t have any good players and you had an owner or an organization that didn’t want to spend any money to get good players." - John Madden, 2008

"We’re going to be a tough, rugged football team that walks with a swagger and plays the way the Raiders used to play." Hue Jackson

RAW IS PUNK! WWE ZACKDOWN!!!

by Ozraider on Aug 13, 2011 1:15 AM PDT up reply actions  

trenches could be ugly for both sides

while I don’t expect sacks so much, their def. line will disrupt if we’re not ready. I want to see the majority of what will make up the depth on the line and the second team to gel a little more.

"tough times call for perseverance and a tough mind. I have been told that I can't play football before. We all know what happened with that. #neverquit"--Mark Herzlich

""The massive Raider Nation is beyond doubt the sleaziest and rudest and most sinister mob of thugs and wackos ever assembled."--Hunter S. Thompson

by brhynno on Aug 13, 2011 1:37 AM PDT up reply actions  

I definately want to see that as well

Nice thing about the next game is we get to see the starters more. Also not playing the Niners this year the game will be more game planning? Maybe a little rotation with starters and 2nd group since it’s not hockey I can’t ever remember a line swap in a game. Could really help the younger guys playing next to any of the Beastly 4!

by samiam2112 on Aug 13, 2011 1:45 AM PDT up reply actions  

The Niners first team O-Line looked atrocious today

Almost got Alex Smith killed a couple of times I wouldn’t be surprised if he and Kap were on IR after next week.

"Anytime you have an organization and an owner that wants to win as badly as Al Davis wants to win, and will spend the money to win, I don’t think you have as many barriers as you think. Those are easy. The ones that would be tough is where you didn’t have any good players and you had an owner or an organization that didn’t want to spend any money to get good players." - John Madden, 2008

"We’re going to be a tough, rugged football team that walks with a swagger and plays the way the Raiders used to play." Hue Jackson

RAW IS PUNK! WWE ZACKDOWN!!!

by Ozraider on Aug 13, 2011 1:51 AM PDT up reply actions  

I would say 10 plus+++++++++++++++++++++++++++

If it were the regular season, but Hue will probably pull our starters before any real damage can be done.

by Always a Raider on Aug 13, 2011 2:58 AM PDT up reply actions  

Saints not Saint

Watched the Saints D Line make the Niners look like a Pop Warner team last night. They will be a good test in week three for the Raiders. Maybe by then we will know who is playing what O Line position.

by Mallard Davis on Aug 13, 2011 9:02 AM PDT reply actions  

Good solid analysis

Thanks for the informative post, it’s highly appreciated. New member here at Silver and Black Pride, greetings fellow Pirates!!!!

Yes I'm a girl ... Yes I'm in Virginia ... Yes I'm a Raider loving pirate lass ... problem with that???

by RaiderPrincessVA on Aug 13, 2011 12:53 PM PDT reply actions  

We're here, few but fierce!!! Southwest VA here, in hillbilly hell LOL

Yes I'm a girl ... Yes I'm in Virginia ... Yes I'm a Raider loving pirate lass ... problem with that???

by RaiderPrincessVA on Aug 13, 2011 12:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

Danville?

The cowards never started, the weak died along the way....

by BlackHeartSilverEyes on Aug 13, 2011 1:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

Hampton Roads, VA

Im Stationed down at Ft. Eustis and on weekends workout at Langley AFB. I mover up here from GA and man there are way more Raiders fans up here. They even sell merchandise unlike down in GA.

by pbwulf on Aug 14, 2011 7:31 AM PDT up reply actions  

Danville?

The cowards never started, the weak died along the way....

by BlackHeartSilverEyes on Aug 13, 2011 1:00 PM PDT reply actions  

Further west, down here near NASCAR Shangri-La, Bristol

Yes I'm a girl ... Yes I'm in Virginia ... Yes I'm a Raider loving pirate lass ... problem with that???

by RaiderPrincessVA on Aug 13, 2011 1:10 PM PDT reply actions  

Wow...

Keep bleeding that S&B, sister, and welcome.

The cowards never started, the weak died along the way....

by BlackHeartSilverEyes on Aug 13, 2011 1:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

When Will I Ever Learn

How many coaches have the Raiders have? I can’t count because I have stopped counting and let me be the first to let all you Raiders fans know that come 2012 the team will yet have another new coach. Every candidate that Al Davis has brought in to coach the Raiders have more or less said the same thing but with different words and different attitudes and guess what? the Raiders always are the same that they have been since 2002. So when will I ever learn to stop believing these coaches? I think I should start now because I don’t care how Hue Jackson coaches the Raiders and how good they look at the training facility they can not bring it with them when it counts. This year I predict 5 wins and 11 losses

Vincent Cinzano

by vincenzo on Aug 13, 2011 4:17 PM PDT reply actions  

your basing this off

1 preseason game? 1 preseason game that our starting defense dominated in? 1 preseason game our starting offense looked good in even though they were missing Ford and McFadden?

by RyanTheRaider on Aug 13, 2011 4:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yea...better just quit now and be a Seadouche fan...

You seem to have the stamina for them.

The cowards never started, the weak died along the way....

by BlackHeartSilverEyes on Aug 13, 2011 5:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

I read your bio, it must be rough living there and working in the fields with the cows all day. Since you follow the Raiders, you'll be happy

to know that their defense is far from what it’s been the past, that is, it’s very aggressive, uses Safety and LB blitzes regularly and has a premier DL. We are thin in the 2nd Row and in the secondary and there’s only so much the excellent new coaches (scores of Pro-Bowls between them) and aggressive HC and DC can do with the back-up talent. But, when you get a chance to see them play (maybe someone you know has a computer) then you will see for yourself that this team is fated for a winning season.

S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
"I made a trade for Seymour. ..I thought it was a great trade. Still do. [Al Davis 1/2011]
Patience advances a man to better times.

by Sons-of-Blanda on Aug 13, 2011 5:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

Duh. You're on your friend's computer right now. Anyway, I know someone who lives in Oxnard and stays current (but he doesn't collect cow pies)ick

(maybe someone you know has a computer)

S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
"I made a trade for Seymour. ..I thought it was a great trade. Still do. [Al Davis 1/2011]
Patience advances a man to better times.

by Sons-of-Blanda on Aug 13, 2011 5:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

To be an Oakland fan takes resolve and stamina....

This is a team one takes for the long haul, not a flyer….

The cowards never started, the weak died along the way....

by BlackHeartSilverEyes on Aug 13, 2011 6:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

Nothing Hue has said has been like any other coach

No other coach has preached bringing back the old ways and getting back to a tradition of winning the way Hue is. No other coach has talked about building a bully and no other coach has gotten so many different positions be in competition. He is totally different than any coach we have had since Gruden. Not even Art Shell who was actually here during a time we were still respected preached bringing back the old ways that Hue is talking about. IMO he is a breath of fresh air and deserves to have a positive Raider Nation on his side until he proves we shouldn’t be positive. Right now I will be optimistic and excited for a season where I believe we will be better than we have been since our last super bowl. I also believe we are going to do that with the best coach we have had since the year BEFORE our last super bowl. Dont let anybody get you down brother vincenzo, we are preaching a commitment to excellence unlike anything we have seen in almost a decade! Get on board and start smiling!

"We want to win. The Raider fans deserve it. The Raider players deserve it, even my organization deserves it. You have to win and you have to win with a vision for the Super Bowl. That's our passion here."--Al Davis

"Winning isn't everything, but wanting to win is."--Vince Lombardi

by Marcus Allen Krause on Aug 13, 2011 8:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

Please pick a new team...

Join the winner of the month category please! Get a jersey for all the teams so you can change with the trends…
Glory is best enjoyed by those that have suffered through the tough times.

by samiam2112 on Aug 13, 2011 10:57 PM PDT up reply actions   2 recs

Fucking word!

The cowards never started, the weak died along the way....

by BlackHeartSilverEyes on Aug 14, 2011 2:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

You guys are awesome. I was really tempted to respond to the hater up there, but resisted...

knowing you would all say almost everything I wanted to say in response, and then some. Thanks for doing so whilst I was away…

"tough times call for perseverance and a tough mind. I have been told that I can't play football before. We all know what happened with that. #neverquit"--Mark Herzlich

""The massive Raider Nation is beyond doubt the sleaziest and rudest and most sinister mob of thugs and wackos ever assembled."--Hunter S. Thompson

by brhynno on Aug 15, 2011 4:02 PM PDT reply actions  

You didn't honestly think our troll alarms would let that shit by, did ya? LOL

Yes I'm a girl ... Yes I'm in Virginia ... Yes I'm a Raider loving pirate lass ... problem with that???

by RaiderPrincessVA on Aug 15, 2011 4:21 PM PDT reply actions  

lol. I also wanted to extend a welcome you, Miss RP. We need more ladies here, and we've grown quite a following around VA

Stay tuned. I’ll be doing part two of the game 1 breakdown mostly this evening, and up by tonight. Play by play will need to be segmented into parts, so as to help with reading, since we’re all pretty much ADHD to the point we can keep our attention on four pages!

I kept my promise to my wife to stay offline, and we both left all laptops and Ipads, though I did stop in to read from my smartphone. When he first came on, I was really tempted, but stepped back, and let my Raider brethren do the talking! And sisters ;D

"tough times call for perseverance and a tough mind. I have been told that I can't play football before. We all know what happened with that. #neverquit"--Mark Herzlich

""The massive Raider Nation is beyond doubt the sleaziest and rudest and most sinister mob of thugs and wackos ever assembled."--Hunter S. Thompson

by brhynno on Aug 15, 2011 4:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

Congrats on the anniversary and keeping your promise! We all know how hard that must have been for you bud!

"We want to win. The Raider fans deserve it. The Raider players deserve it, even my organization deserves it. You have to win and you have to win with a vision for the Super Bowl. That's our passion here."--Al Davis

"Winning isn't everything, but wanting to win is."--Vince Lombardi

by Marcus Allen Krause on Aug 16, 2011 10:17 AM PDT up reply actions  

Thanks, Brhynno!

Will be watching for the breakdown when I get back online, gotta cook supper for the bottomless horde in here watching the game, I’m surrounded by friggin Steeler fans. At least I’ve finally convinced my other half that Silver and Black is the way to go, unless he wants to sleep in the carport and eat TV dinners. LOL

Yes I'm a girl ... Yes I'm in Virginia ... Yes I'm a Raider loving pirate lass ... problem with that???

by RaiderPrincessVA on Aug 15, 2011 5:02 PM PDT reply actions  

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