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Raiders "Next Man Up" Policy ... and cruel reality


Hue "Action" Jackson, has dealt with his fair share of injuries so far into the brief preseason:

Darren McFadden RB, Jacoby Ford WR/KR, Louis Murphy WR, Chaz Schilens WR, Chimdi Chekwa DB, Taiwan Jones RB, SS Mike Mitchell, and the latest and most severe - FS Hiram Eugene ... plus, recovering from last season DE/OL hybrid Trevor Scott. Hue presents these decimations to our roster as "part of the process" and downplays them mostly as "nicks" before reiterating the Raiders' new policy, "Next Man Up."

There comes a point however, when looking at our roster that cruel reality manifests - "what do we do when there is no viable "Next Man?"

Most of us realized early that Oakland has a strong group of starters but lacks depth - with the exceptions of our RBs and DTs - and that while it's nice (in theory) to have a "Next Man Up" policy, it doesn't help much if there is no viable  next man.

Thursday's game, we witnessed a significant, if not drastic, fall-off in performance once the starters retired; thankfully, there were some notable exceptions: the Moore brothers - WR Denarus and CB Sterling - played terrifically as did TE David Ausberry, Travis Goethel, WR Derek Hagan, DE Jarvis Moss, LB Sam Williams, P Glenn Pakulak, John Henderson, and OT/G Stephon Heyer

Now Huff is working part-time with the CBs and Eugene out for the season. If either starting safety, Huff or Branch, leave the game we have only Stevie Brown (Mitchell is still injured and Boyd is an unthinkable option. We need to bring in another Safety immediately.

At CB, if Routt or CJ leave the game, we have only the very green DVD and the promising, but unproven, Sterling Moore, at least until Chekwa is healthy (and we don't know how he'll play at this level).

The real limitation and unfeasibility of Oakland's "Next Man Up" policy can be demonstrated with the scenario of either Walter McFadden or Jerome Boyd being "The Next Man Up."  This could happen unless we bring in through FA more help at Safety and Corner Back.

Poll
Should the Raiders acquire DBs (Safety and CB) or go with what we have?
We have the players, they just need to heal and return
161 votes
DVD, Sterling Moore, Chimdi Chekwa will do at CB but we need a Safety
116 votes
We absolutely need another Safety and maybe another CB
176 votes
We absolutely need another CB and maybe another Safety
279 votes
We need to go get both - Safety and CB
358 votes

1090 votes | Poll has closed

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I agree

No depth in the secondary. Half our starters would be second string on other teams to begin with.
If CJ, Routt, Huff, Branch or Mitchell go down for a long period it may get ugly. Im especially worried about losing Cj or Routt. Not they impress me but at least they are serviceable vets. On their best days, the guys behind them are unproven question marks.

On a semi related positive, our d-line looks really really solid. They should be able to put constant pressure on the qb. Forcing them into quick throws

by rat, el rat, mr. rat, the rat on Aug 14, 2011 9:57 AM PDT reply actions  

Injuries have taken a toll an perhaps a moment

of realizing some of the Emperors have no clothes; that those we had counted on lack those talents we had thought were in evidence. We need to get another CB and S.
Virtually every preseason presents another calamity of injuries for every team, but for OUR team we need a quick & good fix.

The cowards never started, the weak died along the way....

by BlackHeartSilverEyes on Aug 14, 2011 9:58 AM PDT reply actions  

I felt Mitchell made strides last year.

I still wondered if they are gonna try switching Branch to free with his speed. They say Mitchell is undisciplined but he made some pretty big plays last year. Took Huff a few years to be a solid safety. I love Mitchell’s intensity and he hits with reckless abandon as a player from the glory days. He just also seems to get nicked up as Hue calls it.

There has been some speculation about Mays being available and a lot of people would welcome that. The only thing that makes me curious about Mays is his own coach Peni$ Carroll didn’t even draft him when he was avail. Not that I give a huge credence to Carroll’s behaviors personally I don’t care for him in the least. It would raise a flag none the less.

I would agree another corner or safety may be needed for insurance if nothing else.

by samiam2112 on Aug 14, 2011 10:10 AM PDT reply actions  

Mays

It would be an interesting trade possibility, considering he will be on display this week when we play the 49ers. From what I’ve read about Taylor Mays (primarily scouting reports leading up to last year’s draft) he has incredible size and athleticism. His problem; he can’t cover receivers and doesn’t play well in space. In theory, these flaws can be corrected with proper coaching. Considering this is only his 2nd season in the NFL, you have to wonder why the new coaching staff in SF is giving up on him already, when he has opportunity for improvement going forward. Most coaches would be thrilled to have a developmental player with his size and athletic gifts who could switch to LB if he didn’t pan out at safety.

by Il guapo on Aug 16, 2011 10:03 AM PDT up reply actions  

i might be starting to sound like pantyraider with Pryor but ATARI BIGBY!

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by Marcus Allen Krause on Aug 14, 2011 10:36 AM PDT via mobile reply actions  

Definately worth a look

Has had a decent career and had 4 int’s 09-10 season.

by samiam2112 on Aug 14, 2011 11:11 AM PDT up reply actions  

the only difference is

your “pimping” a guy who can play lol. I would like to bring him in.

by RyanTheRaider on Aug 14, 2011 12:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

I put Atari Bigby on teams in Madden at free, and watched his overall rating climb, and climb

also drafted him on my Ultimate Madden team the few times I played it, but got pissed when I was due to be awarded lots of points for wins and the game conveniently disconnected from EA servers. BS.

Bigby is the absolute best option we have; he can play free, or nickel corner, or even corner if we needed him to play there.

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by brhynno on Aug 15, 2011 11:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

We knew we might be in this predicament if Nnamdi left

as far as Cb’s go, but the safety position is a need, and it needs to be a vet. MAK’s Atari Bigby is a good choice or anybody that has played safety in the NFL and didn’t totally suck.

Then we come to the way the Raiders use their safeties and how much pressure is put on them because of the system we use. Youngsters are not going to be able to handle the load of being a Raiders safety,
 I like Stevie Brown and he does have a year of experience in our system, but I don’t know if he’s ready for the full time job.

So I voted for absolutely another safety and maybe (but more like probably) another cornerback

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by rambis64 on Aug 14, 2011 10:43 AM PDT reply actions  

That was my second choice; I voted for both Safety and CB

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by Sons-of-Blanda on Aug 14, 2011 10:57 AM PDT up reply actions  

Same Here

Mitchell seems to be not mentioned much either.

by Mallard Davis on Aug 14, 2011 11:19 AM PDT up reply actions  

For some reason, Mitch has bonded more with fans than with the coaching staffs

S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
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by Sons-of-Blanda on Aug 14, 2011 11:23 AM PDT up reply actions  

Is Madieu Williams, S, cut by Minnesota free?

Word is he is good people ( Payton award winner) and a salary cap victim.

The cowards never started, the weak died along the way....

by BlackHeartSilverEyes on Aug 14, 2011 2:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

niners

Signed him

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by Kwester421 on Aug 14, 2011 3:37 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

Thanks for that update Kwest....

The cowards never started, the weak died along the way....

by BlackHeartSilverEyes on Aug 14, 2011 4:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

Only AP

all day. Sydnee Rice looked pretty good at times. Other than that, I’d have to agree wholeheartedly.

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by brhynno on Aug 15, 2011 11:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

Hey Brynno...what's up.

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by BlackHeartSilverEyes on Aug 16, 2011 12:57 AM PDT up reply actions  

i agree that we need another corner

but why isnt anyone talking about jeremy ware? i think he’s alot better then people give credit. id like to see him and moore in an extended role during the preseason because mcfadden definitely isnt the answer and DVD is a long way from being a contributor on a heavy basis

by devo408 on Aug 14, 2011 11:04 AM PDT reply actions  

While Jeremy is a good tackler, I don't consider him a quality coverage CB. Chose not to even mention him in the post

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by Sons-of-Blanda on Aug 14, 2011 11:12 AM PDT up reply actions  

Ware is a little below average, but

he did not look very good at all on Thursday against a so-so passing attack. While we may be stretched thin at CB and S, we still have good depth in RB and DT/DE to bargain with, so don’t rule out the possibility of a trade happening should we not be able to pick up a FA.

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by AlDavis4Prez on Aug 14, 2011 12:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

I thought ware looked good in the slot but struggled on the outside

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by Ozraider on Aug 14, 2011 5:26 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

Steve Corkran believes we'll carry 7 CBs: Routt, CJ, DVD, Chek, Ware, Moore, wMcFad or Porter?

However, the window is open to upgrade (wMcFad and Porter) and the supplemental draft, which was to begin today, has been postponed.

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by Sons-of-Blanda on Aug 17, 2011 6:49 AM PDT up reply actions  

I think they should just let Pryor in instead of all this damn debating about it and postponing

If you postpone the whole damn draft because of one player just let him in. They announced after the draft that he was ineligible for the whole year anyway so just let him in.

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by Marcus Allen Krause on Aug 17, 2011 9:33 AM PDT up reply actions  

If word gets out Al wants Pryor, the kid hasn't a chance; they'll keep him out of supplemental

S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
"I made a trade for Seymour. ..I thought it was a great trade. Still do. [Al Davis 1/2011]
Patience advances a man to better times.

by Sons-of-Blanda on Aug 17, 2011 12:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

Like ive been saying

Atari looks like the best available till teams cut down rosters, maybe thats what we are waiting for. I got a feeling Taylor Mays is gonna be cut and not traded.

by LaRaider on Aug 14, 2011 11:07 AM PDT reply actions  

You're probably right

They don’t want to rush into signing someone until more players are available so they can get the best players possible.

by duballers23 on Aug 14, 2011 11:48 AM PDT up reply actions  

Some encouraging news on Stanford Routt

@Jerrymcd Jerry McDonald

BLTN Raiders notes: Not sure if Routt is too sensitive to media critiques or just a realist, but regardless, he locked up everyone today.

12 hours ago via TweetDeck

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by ClipperBEAST on Aug 14, 2011 11:27 AM PDT reply actions  

What does this mean?

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by Sons-of-Blanda on Aug 14, 2011 11:32 AM PDT up reply actions  

He might have done so without that motivation. Could McDonald be wrong about reporters' effect on player performance?

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by Sons-of-Blanda on Aug 14, 2011 1:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

I find it highly unlikely that any 'criticism' has any affect at thi stage

Just media overvaluing their self importance as usual.

"Anytime you have an organization and an owner that wants to win as badly as Al Davis wants to win, and will spend the money to win, I don’t think you have as many barriers as you think. Those are easy. The ones that would be tough is where you didn’t have any good players and you had an owner or an organization that didn’t want to spend any money to get good players." - John Madden, 2008

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by Ozraider on Aug 14, 2011 5:28 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

ugh..... it's preseason guys...

DVD looked bad, but he is a rookie who is raw.

Walter will take time, but I am not ready to sell him out. There was a time where Jonathon Wilhite on the pats looked atrocious, but he is a lot better now as a slot guy.

The same can be said of the other guys.

And checkwa is currently injured, but I think he’ll be great at the slot.

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by Jack'sAxe on Aug 14, 2011 11:29 AM PDT reply actions  

Walter's play picked up from where it was last season, e.g. Miami, ... still terrible with little hope

S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
"I made a trade for Seymour. ..I thought it was a great trade. Still do. [Al Davis 1/2011]
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by Sons-of-Blanda on Aug 14, 2011 11:34 AM PDT up reply actions  

yeah.

I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP

by Jack'sAxe on Aug 14, 2011 4:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

The time for projects and rookie development is a moot point now.

We need a guy with known and demonstrable skill to step up, or seek outside the team, which is what it looks like. What you say about these guys may well be true, but it speaks to what Sons describes as the cruel truth of ‘next man up’….we don’t have one there right now.

The cowards never started, the weak died along the way....

by BlackHeartSilverEyes on Aug 14, 2011 1:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

you and sons are right about that. if one of these guys steps up now when someone gets injured

it will not be pretty for our defense. In that case, we must sign a veteran guy. Kelvin hayden should be our #1 priority, and an OLB should be next imho.

Now, we are pretty much screwed, but hopefully our defense will stay away from the injury bug.

I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP

by Jack'sAxe on Aug 14, 2011 4:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

but in any case, we must see how the rest of the pre-season goes

before we make final judgments.

I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP

by Jack'sAxe on Aug 14, 2011 4:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

If the next man up policy does not save us, then we do need to pick up different players

We might have to rely on a short-term solution, such as how we replaced Scott with Moss until he recuperates, and maybe Moss might work out eventually – time will tell. We might have to find a solution at CB or S as we did at DE. I think that the solutions should be viewed as temporary because the long-term solution is next man up. I mean, we have a solid nucleus of starters but with little depth. Next man up should be dealt with solid college drafting as the long-term solution until even the back-ups are solid and reliable as in the old days.

by RaiderPsycho on Aug 14, 2011 11:40 AM PDT reply actions  

No Nnnamdi looks awfuls

The raiders were .500 with the league’s best corner and the Cards game proved nobody on this team can replace him. Al needs to bring someone in order to compete for a playoff spot. That goes for the WR spot as well. Raiders can’t expect to get by with c+ receivers for long, bringing in a veteran to show rookies and youngsters has been a reason why the raiders were so good 10 years ago. Al davis is trying to function like other teams and it’s not working, he should try to function like the Raiders.

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by DEBACLE OF MASS ERUPTION. on Aug 14, 2011 1:00 PM PDT reply actions  

The cap pressure makes our choice of who and where that FA should be targeted. At this point, I don't think WR is as critical as DB

The draft took two DBs among the first four chosen, but our later rounds found gems in WR – DMoore and TE DAusberry. Ford will be back soon and pick up where he left off – awesomely. Murphy is a solid back-up. Chaz is going to be hit or miss and – is hit and miss. But, with our RBs being all good receivers, two good TEs and soft-hands Hagen my anxiety returns to our need at Safety and CB.

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by Sons-of-Blanda on Aug 14, 2011 1:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

our starting corners played great

it was Walt who was terrible.We were .500 with nnam, but we were also below .500 with nnam, the turn around should be credited to our offense(mainly McFadden,Ford,Campbell and Hue),and our dominant dline.We are fine at WR,if we were .500 with murphy and ford last year, then Ford, Murphy,Moore,and maybe Schillens and DHB, can get it done.

by RyanTheRaider on Aug 14, 2011 2:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

What Happened to Jeremy Ware?

Last season he was our most promising young corner.

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by Mr. Know it all on Aug 14, 2011 2:44 PM PDT reply actions  

He

got beat a few times against the cards.

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by Roney408 on Aug 14, 2011 2:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

We are worrying about our CB's way to much!

Yes, I’ll admit the 2nd and 3rd team were terrible, but then again we were playing our 2nd and 3rd team defense!!
Even with them being as bad, imagine how much easier it would be if we had the rest of our 1st team D out there? there will be more pressure on the QB’s to make bad throws.
Even Walter might play good.
When they play bad with Seymour,Branch,Mcclain,Huff, etc.

Then we can say they suck. But till now.. lets just hope they can step it up.

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by Roney408 on Aug 14, 2011 2:45 PM PDT reply actions  

True. But isn't also true that our 2nd team CBs were playing mostly against Arizona's 2nd string offense?

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by Sons-of-Blanda on Aug 14, 2011 4:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

Not when I left

Our 2nd team d was up against their first team o. Then again, I was already out of the gate and in my way to the hospital by the time the d stopped the Cards at the goal line!

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by Raymond St. Martin (Saint) on Aug 14, 2011 5:21 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

I've been saying all week that we are not taking in to account the lack of pass rush when evaluating these second and third team corners

We are also forgetting that after DVD got beat by fitx on the first play (despite pretty tight coverage) he had him locked up the next time.

These kids for the most part will be fine the only one I am concerned about is Walter who should probably lose out to S’mores. But it’s still early and I think making definitive judgments on young guys after one preseason game is a bit silly

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by Ozraider on Aug 14, 2011 5:34 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

Strange, if true, because 37 players will be cut based predominantly on preseason performances

bq.making definitive judgments on young guys after one preseason game is a bit silly

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by Sons-of-Blanda on Aug 14, 2011 6:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

What I am saying is that we don't have to make cuts just yet and the fringe guys we are talking about will more than likely make it through camp

And be final cuts, there’s are a lot of guys that will be cut before we have to make any hard decisions, walt may have 3 picks next week. It’s one thing to say this guy or that guy looks like he is struggling and another to definitively say he should be cut

"Anytime you have an organization and an owner that wants to win as badly as Al Davis wants to win, and will spend the money to win, I don’t think you have as many barriers as you think. Those are easy. The ones that would be tough is where you didn’t have any good players and you had an owner or an organization that didn’t want to spend any money to get good players." - John Madden, 2008

"We’re going to be a tough, rugged football team that walks with a swagger and plays the way the Raiders used to play." Hue Jackson

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by Ozraider on Aug 14, 2011 6:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

Unlike the rooky CBs we watched wMcFadden's body of work last season. I am not wiping that slate clean

or looking upon our roster as though every player on it has no history with us.

S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
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Patience advances a man to better times.

by Sons-of-Blanda on Aug 14, 2011 6:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

That's a fair call on McFadden as I said he is the one I have worries about

I still will await to see the whole body of work before making any definitive statements.

Either way my main point was the overlooking of the lack of pass rush with the second and third teams the second team d-line was good against the run but gave the QB too much time to throw and at times left the corners exposed.

"Anytime you have an organization and an owner that wants to win as badly as Al Davis wants to win, and will spend the money to win, I don’t think you have as many barriers as you think. Those are easy. The ones that would be tough is where you didn’t have any good players and you had an owner or an organization that didn’t want to spend any money to get good players." - John Madden, 2008

"We’re going to be a tough, rugged football team that walks with a swagger and plays the way the Raiders used to play." Hue Jackson

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by Ozraider on Aug 14, 2011 6:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

Not to beat the horse, but the player in question was already targeted in the huddle

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by Sons-of-Blanda on Aug 14, 2011 6:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

Just that series. After that, Fitz was out

but our second teamers made the stop against mostly their first teamers, including Kolb, Wells, Fitzgerald, and Doucet, but I think the fourth down call was shit on AZ’s part.

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by brhynno on Aug 15, 2011 11:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

And about Chaz

People say that they feel so bad because he is a high potential guy that has never got the chance to show his real talent because of injurys. But the real reason i feel bad is when your drafted in the 7th round, your not expected to do much. He has the opportunity to be one of the star players to be drafted late, that shows what being a true NFL player, perseverance and any other good words you can think of. But i would not be at all surprised if it dosn’t pan out for this guy, i mean i hope it does, but please dont put your hopes to high, shit happens.

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by Mr. Know it all on Aug 14, 2011 2:49 PM PDT reply actions  

*Nfl player is all about

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by Mr. Know it all on Aug 14, 2011 2:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

Tommy Hill Whoopedass too.

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by Mr. Know it all on Aug 14, 2011 2:51 PM PDT reply actions  

Just maybe if we didn't play so much man coverage.

We wouldn’t depend on DB’s so much. We don’t have the OLB’s to play man coverage also. We need to blitz a lot more or just play a lot of zone. Because when we play the Packers and try to man them up we are going to get killed unless we can get Aaron.

by Micheal Y on Aug 14, 2011 5:00 PM PDT reply actions  

Supposedly, we're going to use more zone this season ... according to Woodson.

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by Sons-of-Blanda on Aug 14, 2011 6:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

What do you consider more aggressive football - man coverage or zone? Because Chucky2 is all about aggressive

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by Sons-of-Blanda on Aug 14, 2011 6:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

i think man coverage is more agressive but

from his interview on the raiders website where he was asked if they were gonna still have heavy reliance on man to man, he said “you’ll see, and you’ll be excited when you see it”, that makes me think hes gonna use some zone coverage.

by RyanTheRaider on Aug 14, 2011 7:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

lol nah he is just yanking us around and it will be mostly man again

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by Marcus Allen Krause on Aug 14, 2011 7:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

i think it will be mostly man

but more zone then we have seen recently

by RyanTheRaider on Aug 14, 2011 7:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah i hope so but id like to see it more than just 5 snaps a game which would still be an improvement

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by Marcus Allen Krause on Aug 14, 2011 8:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

i like what i saw in the cards game

even if we dont play much zone, those blitzes by the safeties and CBs worked very well.

by RyanTheRaider on Aug 14, 2011 9:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

Perhaps There's Another Coverage Technique That Hasn't Been Shown Much Yet!!!

“M-M” Press n “B-n-R” are our staples…But what if “M-M” is played with a little Cushion so the "CB"s initially have their eyes on the “QB” just a little longer…Than having a little Cushion the “QB” doesn’t anticipate the Blitzes as well…

Can Zone be played with Press or “B-n-R”???…Or in the nickle/dime with a combo of “M-M” w the corners while “S” are in a Zone…Or maybe a new design to the Zone…

I’m thinking maybe some kind of Hybrid Coverage Scheme!!!

by PantyRaider on Aug 14, 2011 9:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yes, b/c Hue told us he's arranging schemes to fit players strengths: MM, BnB, or Zone

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by Sons-of-Blanda on Aug 14, 2011 9:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

Not really

The Packers are agressive as any team in the NFL but they Zone blitz alot.

by Micheal Y on Aug 15, 2011 7:16 AM PDT up reply actions  

who said zone couldnt be aggressive?

zone can be more aggressive than man, but the question was man vs zone which do you think is more aggressive.

by RyanTheRaider on Aug 15, 2011 1:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

i think it depends on the personel.

But I would say zone may be more aggressive because if a WR goes over the middle chances are a LB or someone will smash him if he catches the ball, or if a RB goes to the outside, there would be an extra person or two keeping track and getting ready to stop him as well.

but i dont know.

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by Jack'sAxe on Aug 15, 2011 5:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

just my opinion

i think man is more aggressive because your in the receivers face.But i agree it depends on the personnel,and also the DC.

by RyanTheRaider on Aug 15, 2011 5:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

Zone is more violent but Man is more aggressive. Having a CB sticking to me like a shadow isn't

violent at all but it is very aggressive.

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by Sons-of-Blanda on Aug 15, 2011 5:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

Sons

Man coverage is like a TKO it is an art but Zone blitzing is a 1st round KO because you take away everything the other person likes to do.

by Micheal Y on Aug 15, 2011 8:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

the one with the most turnovers is more aggressives

How can man be more aggressive when it does never gets any turnovers. Zone defense allows everyone to make a play on the ball. Man coverage allow on the WR and the DB to make a play.

by Micheal Y on Aug 15, 2011 8:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

That would depend on the man. Consider Haynes and Hayes and Brown and other great Raider CBs

who knew how to bait QBs and knew when and how to pull the trigger.

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by Sons-of-Blanda on Aug 15, 2011 8:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

That was a time when QB's

weren’t on today Level. Back then QB’s would still throw late out routes. I think all the guys you named are great but you have to agree zone coverage creates more turnovers. I understand the whole jump the route in man coverage but if you miss its a big play or touch down but in zone depending on the coverage the deep man has your back

by Micheal Y on Aug 16, 2011 2:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

and that fosters ballhawking, bigger hits and fulfillment of the DB element conversion to Bullyism

I’m not opposed to the zone whatsoever but considering our DBs are still orchestrated in what they’re used to, moving away now might expose us for greater risk..

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by Sons-of-Blanda on Aug 16, 2011 2:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

Packers' Zone Blitz at its finest.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vIimJZhMs5c

Gotta love it.

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by Screwfish on Aug 15, 2011 3:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

that depends entirely on the situation

we went man when it’s tougher to cover man to man last year, when the field is huge, between the twenties, then went zone in the goal line? that’s the opposite of aggressive. Zone coverage in the goal line is waiting for the offense to do something then reacting. Man, if utilized properly, with a pass rush intended to immediately disrupt, like ours is normally, doesn’t wait for anything to happen. So long as defensive backs don’t get out of position, they can always be there to make plays on balls, but it makes us susceptible to reading pass when its run and vice-versa.

There are ways to remedy that in goal line situations; they look something opposite of what Marshall did at key times last year.

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by brhynno on Aug 15, 2011 11:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

Just heard that Desmond Bryant's hand is in a huge cast

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by Sons-of-Blanda on Aug 14, 2011 6:15 PM PDT reply actions  

maybe its one of those old school

raiders “casts” that they totally wont hit some one with.

by RyanTheRaider on Aug 14, 2011 6:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

Like Tatum had on his forearm? I hope so. Bryant can use some leverage about now

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by Sons-of-Blanda on Aug 14, 2011 6:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

Villapiano

Remember the Villapiano interview where he said the Raiders used to “cast up” after pre-game and he used his to flip off helmets like bottle caps. A true Raider. I was pissed when they traded him.

by Mallard Davis on Aug 14, 2011 7:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

I also saw that Heyer left saturday with a strained tricep

and haven’t seen anything since. Strained tricep could be a real problem

Eventually, all things merge into one, and a river runs through it.

by Rich Langford on Aug 14, 2011 8:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

damn that sucks

hopefully it turns out to be nothing but if its recurring that is a real problem. Pointing out the obvious but your arms are pretty damn important in the trenches. Could also lead to more holding penalties if he plays through it.

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by Marcus Allen Krause on Aug 14, 2011 8:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

that sucks

he looked like he could start guard for us

by RyanTheRaider on Aug 14, 2011 9:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

Still can

I don’t think he’d be out long enough to the point where he can’t be a starter for most of the season.

by duballers23 on Aug 14, 2011 10:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

thats good

as long as hes not out too long

by RyanTheRaider on Aug 14, 2011 10:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

This From Corkran

*Offensive lineman Stephon Heyer is wearing a protective sleeve on his upper right arm. He said he suffered a strained triceps in practice Saturday and that he won’t be out for too long.

Heyer was signed to compete for a starting spot on the line, and he has made the most of his opportunity so far. He is working at guard and tackle as a means of making himself more versatile.

"I felt good (before the injury)," Heyer said. "Moving around better. Felt like I’m in good shape right now. Definitely was making strides at either position. Just a minor setback. I’ll get some time here to heal up a little bit and get back to work."

by PantyRaider on Aug 14, 2011 10:23 PM PDT reply actions  

The "Cone-o-Silence" Is Lifting???

*Approximately 100 fans attended practice Sunday. This marks the second straight day that the Raiders welcomed a small contingent of fans, when normally their practices are closed to the public.

by PantyRaider on Aug 14, 2011 10:24 PM PDT reply actions  

We got a decent Safety today in Matt Giordano ... Now, who will the CB be?!

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by Sons-of-Blanda on Aug 15, 2011 7:50 PM PDT reply actions  

After 1,000+ votes 86% of the Nation wanted at least a Safety or a CB ... we brought in a good Safety and another DB

The Nation decides and the Organization acts … at least, when we have such a rational and overwhelming consensus.

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by Sons-of-Blanda on Aug 16, 2011 1:33 PM PDT reply actions  

I think they'll focus on Safety over CB

because they think they can move Huff and Branch around. Plus, the Raider MO is bigger form physical corners…Nnamdi was a converted Safety, Willie Brown was a converted college LB…Huff, coming out of Texas was the most versatile secondary player in a long time. I hope Bresnahan knows how to exploit the guy’s talent. Marshmellow never did…

Both Huff and Branch can FLY, and wreak havoc if they’re allowed to do so…

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by transparent58 on Aug 19, 2011 4:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

There's been talk (here, at least) that " - " might make it in the pros as a DB. What do you think of that?

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by Sons-of-Blanda on Aug 19, 2011 4:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

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