2011 Oakland Raiders Personnel Packaging: Preseason v. 3.0, the Second Teamers and How They Fared
"Play like a Raider on every play...Never take your foot off the pedal," chides Hue Jackson from the locker room, and the fiery nature of his coaching shows in the snippets that showcase his screaming, "jog off, jog off, jog off..." to his team, as we have come to learn he expects all practice opportunities to be uptempo, and representative of a silver and black team of old, and one the Nation can be proud of and liken to those very teams.The future versions of these installments will be much more timely, most times up by Tuesday morning following Sunday games, but it will require my ability to break down games afterwards via DVR, which will require a purchase of NFL ticket via my cable network, which isn't Comcast, because it's not available where I live.
This one will resume where we left off, with a breakdown of our second team offense taking the field, following our mostly second team defense providing a courageous goal line stand against a mostly first team Arizona Cardinals offense and Kevin Kolb to get the ball back, deep in our own territory. I was about 50 feet from all this action in my new seats, and let me tell you firsthand: the Black Hole experience is all it's cracked up to be, and so much more.
Hit the jump for details on what the depth might look like, who took advantage of their brief chances on the field, and who, well... didn't.
1st and 10. 3-0 Raiders. Jason Campbell in at QB, and the Raiders come out in 22 personnel, Michael Bush and Marcel Reece are the RB/FB combo, with Kevin Boss and Brandon Myers still on the field. This play is still primarily first team offense, with the exception of Stephon Heyer coming in at LG in place of Daniel Loper. Don't be surprised to see this guy make a push for the starting LG position before preseason is done. The give is to Marcel Reece, on a FB inside run, an obvious attempt to get some breathing room and a good call, getting almost two yards. AZ in a goal line, five man front look, 3 backers and 3 safeties, who appear to be in quarter, quarter, half zone deep (indicating one guy responsible for a quarter of the field, the next for the next quarter, and the last, who probably gets the most cb help, the last half of the zone).
2nd a 8 on the 3 yard line, back to 21 personnel. Myers leaves the field and a second wideout comes in. Michael Bush and Marcel Reece in the I formation, Jason Campbell still under center, and Heyward-Bey and Schilens still on the field, with Chaz flanking strong side. AZ has five guys up on the line against our tight six front. Campbell seems to audible the call, or at least call out something to his backfield, while Reece and Bush confer before setting. A fake give to Reece then handed off to Bush on the Reece lead play. Big #89 getting a head of steam hitting the B gap between G a T, carries it out to the 9 yard line for a gain of six.
3rd and 2 on the 9. 11 personnel, single back formation offset strong, with Jason Campbell in the Shotgun, three wide receivers: looking like Nick Miller joining Schilens and Heyward-Bey on flanks, in the right slot position. Kevin Boss seals off the pursuit lined up on the weak side (left, basically a strong formation flipped, with RB on what would be the strong side, but in a trad'l offset singleback weak formation), and Bush hits the hole off tackle in the C gap, between Veldheer and Boss, who makes this hole possible. First down Bush on a nice run on third down netting 7 more yards to the 16 yard line. Big Boss looked like an adept LT on this play.
Allow me to take this opportunity to say Kevin Boss is a bully, and this was a great pickup.
1st and 10, 16 yard line. Raiders in 21 personnel again, Bush and Reece in the backfield, Boss back at strong side TE, Heyward-Bey flanking weakside, Schilens on the strong side (left and right from Jason's perspective, strong indicating the typical side where the TE will line up), Campbell under center. Reece starts offset weakside then motions to the strong side. It should be noted, he's already got the attention of the Mike backer on AZ, as well as the safeties and maybe the entire defensive backfield. Jason fakes the handoff to Bush, and hits DHB on a nice out cut for a 14 yard pickup and out of bounds. Is Marcel the best weapon we have on the team? I believe just because he came out lined up offset weakside, and AZ was seemingly expecting pass, that the weakside corner gave that side huuuuuge space, and stayed deep, respecting the threats represented by Bush, Boss, Reece, and Heyward-Bey. DHB the benefactor here, with a nice grab.
1st and 10, 29 yard line. Same set, same formation, same shift by Reece. This time no play action to Reece, but it looks more like a draw, and Jason drops back to avoid the pressure allowed in, and throws a risky screen pass (and slightly overthrown) to Reece who makes a dynamite one-handed grab and go to pick up seven yards behind Cooper Carlisle, getting to the second level nicely and demonstrating a desire to play like a Raider on every down.
2nd and 3, handoff to Bush, 21 personnel, for no gain, and maybe a loss of a yard. Interior imploded here. RG and C especially. Guard situation still getting worked out, and I think Heyer will be the solution. Interestingly, it seems Carlisle will outright win the battle for the opposite guard spot with Loper, a bigger man.
3rd and 6. Reece comes out, and looks like single back formation with three wideouts, but it's hurry-up (me likey), and Nick Miller coming in from the slot makes the first down grab I think we were attempting on that first drive with all first teamers in the 3rd and 2 situation, that--let's face it--should'be just been a give to Mike Bush with two TEs on the field. Anyways, it's a nice route, grab, and throw by Jason to net the first down. Nick also "playing like a Raider."
1st and 10 with the forward progress, to put us on the 41. Miller trots off the field. Looks like single back, 12 personnel (I could be wrong here, but only see one back.) Heyward-Bey runs a nice double move here, and gets off the line well, stutter stepping at the second level to get a step on A.J. Jefferson, 6'1" defensive back out of Fresno State. Sadly, I have to report again, Jason failed to lead his guy, and threw a horrible deep ball again. I swear, if you gave me a few days with Jason, I think I could get him over what I believe are the "yips" when throwing the long ball. He has that look of Jamarcus wishing the ball on most of his passes, and that, Nation, is a comparison I absolutely loathe to be making.
2nd and 10. Looks like I form again, 21 personnel, two wideouts, still DHB and Schilens, who appear to be alternating sides randomly, and Boss still manning the TE spot. Another play we lost the battle at the line of scrimmage, specifically at the point of attack. They appear to be reading what we're doing, and keying on it, and we are no longer exerting our will, and for the moment, not looking like a team of guys "playing like Raiders." Not going to key on a guy here, since it wasn't replayed and I can't pin it on any one person. It's about a three yard net gain, all Bush yards (YAC).
3rd and 7. Single back, 11 personnel, three wideout set, and our man, Denarius Moore, #17 is on the field wide right. Nick Miller is lined up slot right, and motions to the left side. His motion indicates AZ could be man to man in the secondary, as the nickel back immediately follows him to the weakside. First false start for Khalif Barnes. All in all, I'm surprised there weren't more penalties, but it's clear Khalif wasn't prepared for real game time, and it's been too long since he's gotten real time reps, but no excuses: he jumped in reaction to the 6/7 technique lining up in the gap, and instead of counting on his abilities to get where he needed to be, he anticipated and tried to beat him with a step. This is a baaaaaddd habit, and one that some guys never break. Not a good sign for the future of Barnes at RT, but maybe a blessing in disguise, because we all have our questions about this move.
3rd and 17 on 38. Papa mentioning this could mark the end of the line for all first team offense. Time out is called.
Jason in shotgun, 20 personnel lined up pro formation, with Bush and Reece slightly behind Jason on either side, three wideouts again: looks like DHB left, Nick Miller on the slot on the same side, Denarius wide right on his own, no TE. Denarius immediately makes a nice run slant in and gets a step on AJ Jefferson on the crossing route, and gets about 13 more YAC. This kid will be special to watch all year, and he almost made something happen for a home run through the infield (gimme a break! grass, and he's gone!). 26 yard gain.
1st and 10. Looks like same set, and Schilens runs a decent comeback but doesn't get much separation (Jefferson again), and the late timed ball by JC doesn't help. Incomplete.
2nd and 15. Schilens comes off the field. Looks like 21 personnel, two wideouts. Still Reece, Bush in the backfield, and Boss at TE, lining up on the left side again. Timeout called. Still 3-0 Raiders.
Same formation, DHB wide right, Schilens left. Fucking Khalif jumps again; same mistake. If he does it one more time, he's no longer a tackle prospect in preseason next week.
2nd and 15 on the 42yd. line. A lousy end around attempt by Schilens, not at all set up by the team, yields nada.
3rd and 15. Michael Bush the single back, one Te, and a three wideout set (11 personnel). Immediate loss by the line at the point of attack, and a collapsed pocket forces captain Checkdown to checkdown to Michael, for a gain of maybe 3 yards. Poor call imo, especially since the obvious pass play called for the D to dial up pressure. I'd have gone max protect and had Moore cross again, with a TE sitting midfield.
Out comes Jano, to attempt, long 52 yarder off the infield, but khalif false starts again... Lechler punt for the touchback.
From here on out, it's all second teamers, so I'll resume the next post with our next possession, which is a nice drive. No need to play by play Josh Skelton against our second teamers, which we don't really want to see again. If these guys look even close to that bad in the final game, or if any of them remain on the roster even, I'll be much more worried. This preseason will be the window into 2011 for this team, and we are still getting players via random acquisitions. Looking forward to seeing how Giordano fits into this equation.
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This is high quality work, Brother Bryhnno.
I’m curious by one of your asides, the one about how you would get Jason through his apparent deep pass issue … despite what Saunders said about him being the prototype Al Davis deep threat QB (against all fact, history and fan experience)?
S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
"I made a trade for Seymour. ..I thought it was a great trade. Still do. [Al Davis 1/2011]
Patience advances a man to better times.
I feel it's something he has to learn, somehow, to find his confidence in doing
which for now, as evidenced by the lackluster attempts and his seemingly wishing the ball and not just throwing it, is horrible. I can see it, understanding it something that rarely occurred in all his years in so many different systems, even with us being a throw deep team. How can you blame him for lacking confidence last year?
It’s not at all, for me, a question of arm strength. I think he has plenty, but must learn to throw it with confidence, as if he’s expecting a guy to “go get the ball” as Hue referred to so often in interviews.
"tough times call for perseverance and a tough mind. I have been told that I can't play football before. We all know what happened with that. #neverquit"--Mark Herzlich
""The massive Raider Nation is beyond doubt the sleaziest and rudest and most sinister mob of thugs and wackos ever assembled."--Hunter S. Thompson
But isn't confidence the product of positive experience? Can one by means of positvie affirmations and constant (false) praise
achieve the desired result without doing first doing the very thing itself. I’ve listened to Saunders and Hue praise an unfulfilled potential as though it had been realized and have difficulty suppressing a scoff.
S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
"I made a trade for Seymour. ..I thought it was a great trade. Still do. [Al Davis 1/2011]
Patience advances a man to better times.
by Sons-of-Blanda on Aug 16, 2011 8:58 PM PDT up reply actions
I'd have to say, they are claiming they are also confident he can be that guy
and asking of us, to reserve judgment at this juncture. I’m with them, but Jason will have an extremely short leash.
"tough times call for perseverance and a tough mind. I have been told that I can't play football before. We all know what happened with that. #neverquit"--Mark Herzlich
""The massive Raider Nation is beyond doubt the sleaziest and rudest and most sinister mob of thugs and wackos ever assembled."--Hunter S. Thompson
You almost cant out throw them unless you get happy feet
I think there are trying to instill confidence in himself by not creating the bubble of pressure was created last year with Bruce Alrighty it really seemed to effect Jason and how he played he played scared and unsure like he knew he would get yanked. Because he knew he couldn’t handle his own pressure. He was closer to Shane Falco then Jim Plunkett as Mr. Davis stated. To be fair the WR corps was not as deep as it is this year. Jason played better when Bruce was not able to watch over his shoulder. He seemed to settle down a bit also Ford was on the rise giving him another target.
The only reason we won the crazy KC game last year is because ford made some amazing plays on not so great passes. Still you win as a team and you loose as a team. This years offense has to move the ball and grind the clock. with consistency. That will keep our defense fresh. If the defense plays 25 minutes or less we will win more than we loose for sure. In1997 Geoff George was here
1997 OAK Games 16 W-L 4-12-0 Comp Pctg 55.7 Yards 3917 td’s 29 Int’s 9 244.8 Rating 91.2
The offense scored so quick that by the end of the game the defense was so gassed they couldn’t do anything
We must use clock control better, and also not abandon the run in 2nd and 3rd and short situations
as we did so often last year, even in the red zone. I believe Hue will do that, but we’ll add some quick strikability to the equation. No danger of us becoming a quick strike only team similar to the one you alluded to, anytime soon.
"tough times call for perseverance and a tough mind. I have been told that I can't play football before. We all know what happened with that. #neverquit"--Mark Herzlich
""The massive Raider Nation is beyond doubt the sleaziest and rudest and most sinister mob of thugs and wackos ever assembled."--Hunter S. Thompson
Solid breakdown
Jason needs to have faith in his receiver and get it up and out let the receiver track it down and make a play instead of finessing it. He reminds me of Chuck Knoblough trying to make the through from second to first.
Bush is one of the best 2nd backs in the league and such a great change of pad level back you not gonna get away playing high against him.
I’m really excited about Boss! I wanted him instead of Miller I may be in the minority but he’s a beast.
Moore Moore Moore that’s all I can say about that kid.
Does Miller make this team just on special teams value? Moore looks better back there… Rookies have a history of being returners for this team.
Somewhere in the season Trent will be the number 2 if not the number 1 he can make the throws.
David Ausberry is gonna be the second team TE very soon if he keeps making plays. Todd Christenson comes to mind he wasn’t much of a blocker but could make some plays Although he’s bigger.
Knoblauch!!!!!!
lmao!
"tough times call for perseverance and a tough mind. I have been told that I can't play football before. We all know what happened with that. #neverquit"--Mark Herzlich
""The massive Raider Nation is beyond doubt the sleaziest and rudest and most sinister mob of thugs and wackos ever assembled."--Hunter S. Thompson
I just picture him, while thinking; "do you know who I am???"
“I am COLIN FUCKING POWELL, BITCHEZZZ!”
"tough times call for perseverance and a tough mind. I have been told that I can't play football before. We all know what happened with that. #neverquit"--Mark Herzlich
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LMAO!!!!
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"We’re going to be a tough, rugged football team that walks with a swagger and plays the way the Raiders used to play." Hue Jackson
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This is awesome stuff.
I really dig getting a better understanding of the formations and what they are called, etc.
I hope you’re right about Campbell getting more comfortable and thus his deep passing improving, but I wonder…
Off The Subject:: Sup-Draft Gives 2nd Chance For Pryor...
NFL | Supplemental draft delayed
Tue, 16 Aug 2011 16:09:27 -0700
The National Football League postponed the supplemental draft, which was scheduled to be held Wednesday, Aug. 17. Teams will be advised of the new date once it is determined. It is still unknown if former Ohio State QB Terrelle Pryor will be eligible.
ha ha! I must admit, we do appreciate your persistence, PR!
but it’s still a resounding no here, despite your sound arguments as to how he can help. I just don’t see it in the stars, and Al won’t settle on another guy who’s not his true profile guy. We already have a guy who struggles with the downfield deep ball.
"tough times call for perseverance and a tough mind. I have been told that I can't play football before. We all know what happened with that. #neverquit"--Mark Herzlich
""The massive Raider Nation is beyond doubt the sleaziest and rudest and most sinister mob of thugs and wackos ever assembled."--Hunter S. Thompson
I'm Just A Pimp That Won't Stop Trying To Sell My Bitch!!!
by PantyRaider on Aug 16, 2011 11:11 PM PDT up reply actions
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"tough times call for perseverance and a tough mind. I have been told that I can't play football before. We all know what happened with that. #neverquit"--Mark Herzlich
""The massive Raider Nation is beyond doubt the sleaziest and rudest and most sinister mob of thugs and wackos ever assembled."--Hunter S. Thompson
oops. dunno how to embed, but here's that link
never gets old: LINK
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Mr. Franklin's lonely!!! LMAO
Yes I'm a girl ... Yes I'm in Virginia ... Yes I'm a Raider loving pirate lass ... problem with that???
by RaiderPrincessVA on Aug 17, 2011 10:16 AM PDT up reply actions
Jason Will never be the deep threat qb because
He never has and he never will… He can throw it deep but he won’t be accurate, if that makes any sense.
He relys on his TE’s & RB’s… Look at his past with the skins… Cooley and Portis… Zmiller and Dmc. None of his WRs has had great years. None.
If Hue Jackson asks DMC, DHB, Zmiller or who ever else, what play do you like or let’s play to your strengths… I bet he has asked Jason Campbell those same questions and I bet throwing it deep wasn’t one of them.
Hey Jason will play the screen or he will play the playaction but to say Jason will let it air out…. I don’t know?
"There comes a point an a mans life, he has to step up… I dont care what kind of man you are!!! there come’s a point where he has to fight!!! He has to has that in ’em! He gotta have that in ’em… Lets go, LETS GO!!! FIGHT on 3… 1-2-3- FIGHT!!!! -Richard Seymour
by gogomaplata on Aug 16, 2011 10:38 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
Look at the lines he was behind. He's a guy who fears being unable to protect the ball
and probably has nightmares about it, because he’s been pretty stellar considering his protection hasn’t allowed even the fastest guy to get to the second level.
It’s all experience. Are the odds good he can ever change that? Probably not, but to give you an example, folks criticized Gannon for being unable to throw it deep, and though his play was marked predominantly by dink and dunk in the west coast, I remember him throwing some beautiful ones given the opportunity.
I’ll believe Hue and Al Saunders until I’m seeing otherwise, when it counts. It’s still preseason, and there’s still a lot of work to be done that couldn’t be done with no OTAs and the CBA nonsense. I wonder as much about Jason as the next fan, but we need to believe in him right now, and we also need to show it. Our coaches have expressed he can be that guy, and we haven’t really been given reason yet to really believe they won’t come through with promises.
"tough times call for perseverance and a tough mind. I have been told that I can't play football before. We all know what happened with that. #neverquit"--Mark Herzlich
""The massive Raider Nation is beyond doubt the sleaziest and rudest and most sinister mob of thugs and wackos ever assembled."--Hunter S. Thompson
He threw deep last year to Ford no? Just lob it up far, and let the fast WR go get it.
High possibility of drawing PI’s too. The opposing CB can get scared and just prevent a would be TD and foul our WR’s and get big gains. We also still need a Nastier O-line to give him years to throw.
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brhynno Ths Is Really Great Work But I Have A Little Confusion:
I played many moons ago so the terminology is a little different…Instead of letters we called plays with #‘s…A hole was odd or even depending upon which side it was on and the #’s started from both sides of “C”…So we had holes #2/#4/#6 n #1/#3/#5….OK so now I just sub in the letters so not much problem there…But I don’t understand the "
Personnel packages being called out…So what is “11 Personnel” or “21 Personnel” and so forth???…
Brhyno has already posted a quite lengthy article explaining this
please refer to that.
Brhyno – might be worth posting a link to the initial explanation on these.
"Anytime you have an organization and an owner that wants to win as badly as Al Davis wants to win, and will spend the money to win, I don’t think you have as many barriers as you think. Those are easy. The ones that would be tough is where you didn’t have any good players and you had an owner or an organization that didn’t want to spend any money to get good players." - John Madden, 2008
"We’re going to be a tough, rugged football team that walks with a swagger and plays the way the Raiders used to play." Hue Jackson
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Here you go, PR. After the jump, the link is named in all caps
it explains the techniques of the rushing lineman and sometimes backers, as well as the gaps.
"tough times call for perseverance and a tough mind. I have been told that I can't play football before. We all know what happened with that. #neverquit"--Mark Herzlich
""The massive Raider Nation is beyond doubt the sleaziest and rudest and most sinister mob of thugs and wackos ever assembled."--Hunter S. Thompson
or if you just want to go straight to the source
http://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2011/08/12/defensive-line-techniques-the-prototypes/
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ThankYou!!...I Will Digest It And Be On The Same Page!!!
by PantyRaider on Aug 17, 2011 12:00 AM PDT up reply actions
actually glad you asked, because this will be an ongoing installment
but apparently we’ll have to revisit some of this for folks who missed the first step. X’s and O’s are awesome, and Raider fans by nature have an extreme interest and thirst for the knowledge, jargon, and nuts and bolts of EVERYTHING, so we will all become more educated together.
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Didn't Relate To My Question...NOT Regarding The "D" But Re "O" Persannel Packages..
What is “11 Personnel”/“12 Personnel’/”20 Personnel"/“21 Personnel” referring to???
In the “Dark Ages” I played both “HB” n “CB”…Didn’t have the hands of a “WR” but had the speed/quickness n agility/balance needed as a “HB” which also related to playing “CB”…
Now I can see that the “D” makes reference to A/B/C gaps and 0-123-456 n so forth as to how the “DL” engages blockers…But I don’t think the “O” will use this terminology to denote it’s intentions…
As mentioned we #‘erd our holes from “C” 1-3-5 to the left n 2-4-6 to the right…Than we called out formations by #’s series as in “1000 Series” n “2000 Series”….We called out pass or run as “100” n “200”….Than there was something else that I’m forgetting…So this is how we would call a play:
“21- 33”….So that would perhaps be a “T Formation” w Run To # 3 Hole or something of that nature…I really don’t remember the #‘s meant anymore…“69” was a long long time ago…Maybe what I’m forgetting is the “WR” Assignments???
NO Not Right!!!
We Called Pass or Run by “10”-n-“20”….So “20-13” would be like a “T Formation- ____-Run-#3 Hole”…I think the “100”-’200" was something to do with “WR” routs like slants and so forth…
I can still see diagrams in my head but not remember the plays…Ols age really sucks!!!… LoL!!!
Here is that. In short, in the Raider's predominant 21 personnel, the 2 refers to amount of backs, the 1 refers to TEs
which in turn dictates the wide receivers in most cases to be two. Two guards, Two tackles, your center, your qb, the two backs and two receivers, and the one TE equal eleven guys.
In this post, after the jump there’s a chart that describes most possible packages:
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My aim is to learn as well as help educate us, but without equal parts interest, it doesn't happen
so thanks for giving a shit! lol
"tough times call for perseverance and a tough mind. I have been told that I can't play football before. We all know what happened with that. #neverquit"--Mark Herzlich
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Excellent, excellent work again
Those false starts by Barnes were pretty freaking annoying but to be honest we didn’t see more from both teams being the first pre-season game, I don;t have high hopes that Barnes will be able to correct this fully but it is possible.
Slightly off topic, had a nice exchange on Twitter today with Cork and he indicated he thought that we would carry 7 Corners meaning both Walter and S’mores would make the roster (slightly different to what he posted in his article) on my roster projection I thought we would carry 6 but as Cork pointed out also, Al builds defences from the corners in. On a talent and potential basis I think they should both be on the roster but it would be interesting to see the make up of the 53 man if we do carry 7 considering last season we only had 5. All in all when you also count the safeties that would be a shit load of DB’s.
It also looks like we will have 3 TE’s where last year we will only had 2. My best guess is that we would reduce the number of LB’s compared to last year and one less receiver meaning Nick wil probably go and D-Mo will return punts.
You can find last years 53 here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_Oakland_Raiders_season#Final_roster
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This is very insightful, and I'd have to agree
because we often list guys as “DBs” and not CB or safety, because we essentially need guys to play free who can be most of the time an add’l cover corner, and as we’ve seen, our scheme demands even our SS’s get matched up one on one at times, so we need lots of guys who can do this, and it’s also why we signed the Hiram Eugene’s to long term contracts, and why we’ll feel his departure immediately, and why we signed Giordano and the other dude not worth mentioning.
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and for the TEs, Aus will be the Xfactor part time receiver/TE
and we could cut a wideout to keep Aus, and still carry two TEs, while Myers looks to land the job, he’ll battle with Gordon, and I think whomever is evaluated to be the better blocker could get the edge there. We’ll use Aus all over the field, but might list him as a wr when all is said and done. Just a hunch.
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I can definitely see an advantage of carrying extra corners in our scheme
is that playing so much man is very tiring for DB’s who are generally facing a situation where fresh receivers are being rotated in, having tan extra corner or two would allow us to keep fresh guys on the field and avoid them wearing down later in games its just hard to fit them in.
to get the 2 extra DB’s and the extra TE The only places I can find to trim off what we had last year would be reduce the LB’s from 8 to 6 and then the last spot would have to come from the WR’s or the O-Line.
You make a great point about Ausberry as his versatility would allow us to go with only 5 dedicated wideouts without really weakening the position group and we can keep our O-line depth with s obviously also crucial.
"Anytime you have an organization and an owner that wants to win as badly as Al Davis wants to win, and will spend the money to win, I don’t think you have as many barriers as you think. Those are easy. The ones that would be tough is where you didn’t have any good players and you had an owner or an organization that didn’t want to spend any money to get good players." - John Madden, 2008
"We’re going to be a tough, rugged football team that walks with a swagger and plays the way the Raiders used to play." Hue Jackson
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lol. look at all the "DBs"
46 DB
Chimdi Chekwa 35 CB
Jamie Cumbie 73 DT
Bruce Davis II 58 LB
Zac Etheridge 43 DB
Hiram Eugene 31 FS
Chris Francis 47 LB
Bani Gbadyu 48 LB
Matt Giordano 49 DB
Travis Goethel 50 LB
Quentin Groves 52 LB
John Henderson 79 DT
Tommie Hill 78 DE
Derrick Hill 98 DT
Lamarr Houston 99 DE
Michael Huff 24 FS
Chris Johnson 37 CB
Tommy Kelly 93 DT
Rolando McClain 55 LB
Walter McFadden 22 CB
Mike Mitchell 34 SS
Sterling Moore 39 CB
Jarvis Moss 94 DE
Joe Porter 28 DB
"tough times call for perseverance and a tough mind. I have been told that I can't play football before. We all know what happened with that. #neverquit"--Mark Herzlich
""The massive Raider Nation is beyond doubt the sleaziest and rudest and most sinister mob of thugs and wackos ever assembled."--Hunter S. Thompson
Al loves his DB's
lmao
"Anytime you have an organization and an owner that wants to win as badly as Al Davis wants to win, and will spend the money to win, I don’t think you have as many barriers as you think. Those are easy. The ones that would be tough is where you didn’t have any good players and you had an owner or an organization that didn’t want to spend any money to get good players." - John Madden, 2008
"We’re going to be a tough, rugged football team that walks with a swagger and plays the way the Raiders used to play." Hue Jackson
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I hope some of Corks locks in his article were incorrect
Some of these young guys need to be infused although the IR list should allow a couple to slide through. This may be the hardest cuts in years which is a positive for this franchise. I mentioned it earlier but players like JLH are finally out of here I think there could be a few surprises on the final 53. Injuries always make some adjustments I just feel there’s gonna be a change.
Any of these younger guys who start showing up on special teams could make a spot.
The only positions that I question are the obvious O/L Secondary and WR
WR
Hagen, Moore, Bey, Ford and what other 2 if Chaz is hurt too much longer he’s got to go? Does Boddiford have enough versatility to make a push? Although his technique needs improvement? Murphy gonna be an IR to start?
Secondary
Are we letting go of the 2 drafted kids Woodson signed off on them? Hopefully Sterling will get a chance to shine against higher level talent this week?
Anybody feel with the new K/O rules that kick coverage shouldn’t be an issue at all? Still have to control the punt coverage.
It sounds like Chaz will be ok I would be very surprised if he didn't make the roster if anything I can see him maybe going on PUP
when it comes to recievers and DB’s as far as I can see it it will come down to a choice of keeping Walter and S’mores and going with Schillens, DHB, Moore, Ford and Louis + Ausberry OR cutting one of Walter/S’mores and keeping Little Nicky or maybe Hagen.
"Anytime you have an organization and an owner that wants to win as badly as Al Davis wants to win, and will spend the money to win, I don’t think you have as many barriers as you think. Those are easy. The ones that would be tough is where you didn’t have any good players and you had an owner or an organization that didn’t want to spend any money to get good players." - John Madden, 2008
"We’re going to be a tough, rugged football team that walks with a swagger and plays the way the Raiders used to play." Hue Jackson
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