Oakland Raiders vs. San Francisco 49ers: Early Thoughts From an Ugly Evening
by Rich Langford on Aug 20, 2011 8:17 PM PDT
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PrintWell, that was a giant pile of suck. The Oakland Raiders got out muscled and ultimately whooped by their Bay Area rivals, the San Francisco 49ers. This game looked remarkably similar to the two times these two teams met last year. And ultimately, that is what was so discouraging. In the end, amounted to a 17-3 loss.
I was confident that this year the Raiders would be ready to take the fight to the Niners, but they didn't. The Raiders could not exert their will in this game. San Francisco was gaining positive yards on almost every play, and they were doing it in the air and on the ground. If it wasn't for the first team defense once again looking great in goal line situations, this score would have been worse.
The starting defensive line was able to get a good push on passing plays, but the lack of coverage in the secondary made Alex Smith look like a pro bowler. In the running game, the linemen were holding their ground, but there were too many gaps for the 49ers to shoot through. And shoot through they did. The Niners ended this game with 239 yards on 41 carries. Jump over for more....
Offensively, the first team looked good—until it came time to put points on the board. All three of the Raiders points came by the second team offense. The offensive line had its moments, but they also got pushed around.
Campbell was fantastic until he fumbled and while bending over to grab the ball got nailed and either got another stinger or a concussion. There is now word on the injury, but my money is that it is a nick.
Still, when he was getting passes off, this passing game looked better than it has since Rich Gannon was here. And they were doing it with three of their main receiver unable to play. DHB played as well as I have ever seen him. He appeared to roll his ankle, but that should be fine as he entered the game later.
Denarius Moore continues to impress. He looked good on two catches and great with one kickoff return. Michael Bush looks to be at his beastly best.
Defensively, the biggest bright spot for me was Rolando McClain. He got sealed off on a couple of runs, but he also came off of blocks better than he did at any time last year. He even drew a holding penalty on one.
DVD was not targeted as much in this game as last game. He was beat on a comeback route by Braylon Edwards. Edwards was able to easily push him off, and while that was worthy of a penalty, DB's seldom get that call.
It was good to see Chimdi Chekwa on the field. Chekwa definitely looked like the raw rookie he is, in his limited playing time.
The bottom line from this game is that the Raiders looked a little flat. They didn't make big plays when they had to, and the oppossing offense moved the ball way too easy. They made Alex Smith look like a Pro Bowl QB. And these are all things we saw in ugly losses last season.
This is just the second game of the preseason, and there are definitely positives to be had here. Especially with the offense. This team needs to focus on figuring out what their starting offensive line will be and lock it in, and let them get some reps together. I did see enough out of Bruce Campbell to get excited. He was solid with his run with the second team at right guard.
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The bright spot for me.
was the shitload of fights there was in the stands.
I know i don't know it all... its just what my parents call me
Miami's love for their team is like fucking some dudes wife. You knew its wrong but.. it just feels nice
by Mr. Know it all on Aug 20, 2011 8:36 PM PDT reply actions
There was a fight?
Didn’t know about that. (I missed most of 1st half and part of the 2nd half of the game.)
Nintendo, Yoshi, and My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic fan.
apparently it was 9er on 9er
"Anytime you have an organization and an owner that wants to win as badly as Al Davis wants to win, and will spend the money to win, I don’t think you have as many barriers as you think. Those are easy. The ones that would be tough is where you didn’t have any good players and you had an owner or an organization that didn’t want to spend any money to get good players." - John Madden, 2008
"We’re going to be a tough, rugged football team that walks with a swagger and plays the way the Raiders used to play." Hue Jackson
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Caught Someone With His BoyFriend???
by PantyRaider on Aug 20, 2011 9:02 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Hahaha
Sounds plausible to me l ao
"Anytime you have an organization and an owner that wants to win as badly as Al Davis wants to win, and will spend the money to win, I don’t think you have as many barriers as you think. Those are easy. The ones that would be tough is where you didn’t have any good players and you had an owner or an organization that didn’t want to spend any money to get good players." - John Madden, 2008
"We’re going to be a tough, rugged football team that walks with a swagger and plays the way the Raiders used to play." Hue Jackson
RAW IS PUNK! WWE ZACKDOWN!!!
I'm not worried too much about this loss
I’m worried that the mistakes the Raiders made in this game and in the preseason might carry over to the season. I hope the Raiders fix their mistakes ASAP.
Nintendo, Yoshi, and My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic fan.
"mistakes" ?
I saw us beaten physically in blocking and tackling. Perhaps, you’re calling getting pushed back on a surging block a mistake or whiffing on a tackle a mistake. Can these “mistakes” be fixed by talking to a coach or looking at film? Is it possible that these are not mistakes but reality as it is?
S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
"I made a trade for Seymour. ..I thought it was a great trade. Still do. [Al Davis 1/2011]
"I love to win, even against my daughters, I want to win" Hue "Action" Jackson 8/19/11
by Sons-of-Blanda on Aug 21, 2011 3:59 AM PDT up reply actions
Yes, it's entirely possible
there is also a possibility that the O-line whoever is starting will come together as a unit and perform better than that.
OLB however seems to just be a lack of talent by those manning the position and we need help there for sure. Bring in Lofa, Morrison or both. Groves is a joke out there.
CB- this will probably be a sore spot for us all year unless we trade for a proven vet, Walter McFirewood needs to be cut yesterday.
Bottom line is if we play like this all year it will be a very long year indeed with very few wins attached to it.
"Now I know what your thinking, did he fire six shots or only five. Ive forgotten myself in all this excitement, but being that this is the 44 magnum, the most powerful handgun in the world and could blow your head clean off, you have to ask your question. Do I feel lucky? Well do ya punk!"
Dirty Harry Callahan
I think we are seeing the negative effects of the lockout
This team has some real talent but are still very raw, particularly the o-line and the depth at CB. They were awkward because they had little practicing time with so many new or raw players. My concern is when they are going to start to gel together. Hopefully, it will be early in the season when they gel, but I think some of these mistakes are going to show up during the regular season. They are not going to go away or instantly clean up. As far as next man up goes, we have depth at most positions except lb, but the depth we have is raw. I sense that it will be a bit later in the season when we will experience our true potential; that is, when next man up may sufficiently support our starters. I also think that so long as our starter play most of the time, we should be fine. Good thing we play Denver and Buffalo to give us more time. I still have plenty of hope because I believe that these problems are going to be corrected through practice, and the notion that many injured starters will be returning soon. A most important note is that the Raiders have actually played the scrubs and against the opponents’ first team, which I think will help them develop their maturity as players that much faster.
by RaiderPsycho on Aug 21, 2011 11:44 AM PDT up reply actions
I feel like we take 1 step forward then 2 steps back
Regardless if it’s the preseason, we have to show that we can perform at any level. And today we totally missed the an opportunity to capitlize. For us to lose the way we did against the 9erd of all teams… I’m definitely concerned.
"There comes a point an a mans life, he has to step up… I dont care what kind of man you are!!! there come’s a point where he has to fight!!! He has to has that in ’em! He gotta have that in ’em… Lets go, LETS GO!!! FIGHT on 3… 1-2-3- FIGHT!!!! -Richard Seymour
by gogomaplata on Aug 20, 2011 8:52 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
This shows how raw our back-ups are.
When a bad team and their scrubs moved the ball at will against our backups in the second half that is concerning. I believe if the 9ers would have tried, the score could have been 24-3.
by RaiderPsycho on Aug 21, 2011 11:48 AM PDT up reply actions
secondary made alex smith look like an all pro.
d-line got ran over and they really need to stop the run. hue is now 0-2 and he really wanted this game. the team was flat. if i was hue, practice tomorrow and the following days ahead. they need practice. dvd and branch both got beat, and i have said this before t. branch is not the answer. he is to slow and cant cover. the raider weakness is the secondary. also , i hope jason is ok because both qb’s didnt look good either.
by sports with steve on Aug 20, 2011 8:56 PM PDT reply actions
branch slow?
i hope you meant he was slow to react cause hes the fastest safety on the team
by SmashmouthFB on Aug 20, 2011 9:05 PM PDT up reply actions
I thought Branch looked really good today personally
"Anytime you have an organization and an owner that wants to win as badly as Al Davis wants to win, and will spend the money to win, I don’t think you have as many barriers as you think. Those are easy. The ones that would be tough is where you didn’t have any good players and you had an owner or an organization that didn’t want to spend any money to get good players." - John Madden, 2008
"We’re going to be a tough, rugged football team that walks with a swagger and plays the way the Raiders used to play." Hue Jackson
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by Ozraider on Aug 20, 2011 9:13 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
yea i'll go ahead and say
branch is most likely the best player we have in the secondary period… if you’re talking shit about him then I dunno what to say… I like Huff, Routt, and CJ… proven commodities… Moore from what I’ve seen and heard is our nickel corner, they better not cut him…
by jypsypimp on Aug 20, 2011 9:42 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Woe! Looking at the level of play today (at least on our side of the ball) I think Tyvon played damn well
S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
"I made a trade for Seymour. ..I thought it was a great trade. Still do. [Al Davis 1/2011]
"I love to win, even against my daughters, I want to win" Hue "Action" Jackson 8/19/11
by Sons-of-Blanda on Aug 21, 2011 4:01 AM PDT up reply actions
From My Vantage Point:
2 rookies started…
“WR” Moore played well while “CB” DVD was exploited…CCRyder Too…
Rushing games was not very productive but again was lacking a starter at “RB”..
"WR"s though were productive for a change…Again without 2 starters…Chaz-n-Murphy…
"QB"s get mixed reviews:
Passing CP/AT YDS TD INT
J. Campbell 5/7 74 0 0
K. Boller 6/11 56 0 1
T. Edwards 3/6 36 0 1
Now their is doubts about "JC"s health…Concussion/Stinger…
“OL” Sucked!!!…But had a few bright spots as well…
“D”….What can be said…
The run is still our weakness…
It’s nice that the 1st team made the stops not allowing any scores but they didn’t put the “O” in a favorable position…
Pass “D” is very suspect with a rookie starting at “CB”…Cris Johnson needs to get healthy…
"ST"s was also not good with that back-up punter…Nice return though…
Bottom line: It’s just preseason and nothing done today counts….
Few Pluses But Nothing To Get Up About!!!/_
But by week #6 Pryor will be here to save the day!!!!… :)
without 2 starters no more
Mr. Denarius Moore is now one of the starters, if Mr. Schilens or Mr. Murphy want it back they will need to earn it.
I also think Mr. Heyward-Bey is beginning to place his mark on the other starting WR spot;
from what I have read it appears Mr. Hagan has earned a spot on the 53-man roster; we know Mr. Ford is making the final cut; therefore Louis & Chaz are battling Nick & Shaun for the last 1 or 2 remaining WR positions.
Murph will not be cut.
Chaz won’t be either – at the most we’ll put him on the PUP list.
Bodiford will be cut and Nick Miller probably will be in that case.
"In football, I root for the Oakland Raiders because they hire castoffs, outlaws, malcontents, and fuck -ups, they have lots of penalties, fights, and paybacks, and because Al Davis told the rest of the pig NFL owners to go get fucked. Someday, the Raiders will be strong again, and they will dip the ball in shit and shove it down the throats of the wholesome, white, heartland teams that pray together and don't deliver late hits." - George Carlin.
STERLING MOORE
Sterling Moore, Sterling Moore, Sterling Moore!!! Get this kid some first team reps. What else does he need to do? If Walter McFadden makes the team and he doesn’t, I will be very upset.
by Kyle_B on Aug 20, 2011 9:01 PM PDT via mobile reply actions 1 recs
I didnt think S'mores did much today
The PD he had was a clear PI and he did nit much aside from that.
"Anytime you have an organization and an owner that wants to win as badly as Al Davis wants to win, and will spend the money to win, I don’t think you have as many barriers as you think. Those are easy. The ones that would be tough is where you didn’t have any good players and you had an owner or an organization that didn’t want to spend any money to get good players." - John Madden, 2008
"We’re going to be a tough, rugged football team that walks with a swagger and plays the way the Raiders used to play." Hue Jackson
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If Walter McFirewood makes the team period
I will be pissed, he has had a year head start on the rookies and looks far worse. The niners saw this in the film and went after him as soon as he entered the game with great results for them. Fuck him … he’s out, Sterling is in.
"Now I know what your thinking, did he fire six shots or only five. Ive forgotten myself in all this excitement, but being that this is the 44 magnum, the most powerful handgun in the world and could blow your head clean off, you have to ask your question. Do I feel lucky? Well do ya punk!"
Dirty Harry Callahan
May As Well Pimp The Brite Spots:
Receiving REC YDS TD LG
D. Heyward-Bey 2 40 0 22
D. Hagan 3 32 0 14
D. Moore 2 28 0 17
R. Cartwright 2 22 0 15
M. Bush 2 18 0 12
K. Boss 1 14 0 14
S. Bodiford 2 12 0 9
This game
highlighted some serious concerns. Not confident at all with our secondary going into the regular season.
Yes!!..Like This:
Net Yards Rushing 63
Total Rushing Plays 22
Average Gain per Rushing Play 2.9
Tackled for a Loss (Number-Yards) 4—5
McFadden
Should help those stats out. They just didn’t look good today
Also when bush was in we were in better shape
"Anytime you have an organization and an owner that wants to win as badly as Al Davis wants to win, and will spend the money to win, I don’t think you have as many barriers as you think. Those are easy. The ones that would be tough is where you didn’t have any good players and you had an owner or an organization that didn’t want to spend any money to get good players." - John Madden, 2008
"We’re going to be a tough, rugged football team that walks with a swagger and plays the way the Raiders used to play." Hue Jackson
RAW IS PUNK! WWE ZACKDOWN!!!
I hate to be a downer but after tonights game I have come to the conclusion
That we are not going 16-0 this year.
"Anytime you have an organization and an owner that wants to win as badly as Al Davis wants to win, and will spend the money to win, I don’t think you have as many barriers as you think. Those are easy. The ones that would be tough is where you didn’t have any good players and you had an owner or an organization that didn’t want to spend any money to get good players." - John Madden, 2008
"We’re going to be a tough, rugged football team that walks with a swagger and plays the way the Raiders used to play." Hue Jackson
RAW IS PUNK! WWE ZACKDOWN!!!
just got in from Canada
is there anywhere i can watch a replay online? however sad it may have been lol
I just started watching it again now but you need NFL.com gamepass
"Anytime you have an organization and an owner that wants to win as badly as Al Davis wants to win, and will spend the money to win, I don’t think you have as many barriers as you think. Those are easy. The ones that would be tough is where you didn’t have any good players and you had an owner or an organization that didn’t want to spend any money to get good players." - John Madden, 2008
"We’re going to be a tough, rugged football team that walks with a swagger and plays the way the Raiders used to play." Hue Jackson
RAW IS PUNK! WWE ZACKDOWN!!!
i'll check nfl network on demand...
it’ll prolly just be some 10 minute bs recap…. but better than nothing i spose
You could find out when NFL network are replaying and get on a strea of NL network
"Anytime you have an organization and an owner that wants to win as badly as Al Davis wants to win, and will spend the money to win, I don’t think you have as many barriers as you think. Those are easy. The ones that would be tough is where you didn’t have any good players and you had an owner or an organization that didn’t want to spend any money to get good players." - John Madden, 2008
"We’re going to be a tough, rugged football team that walks with a swagger and plays the way the Raiders used to play." Hue Jackson
RAW IS PUNK! WWE ZACKDOWN!!!
was at a wedding all day. watching it now. will have a play by play of first quarter up by tomorrow, circa noontime
gonna just watch it first, then do it paused, on DVR, to determine formations, personnels, who was responsible for what, and where, and how…
Imo, right now, is the best time to get this out of our system. Practices will be a bitch for these guys, especially those who failed assignments, and many will find themselves on the first batch of roster cuts, which is what you get from preseason games, especially ones where OTAs and minicamps were either nonexistent or condensed. Saint nailed it with his pregame post on this one, I believe. But I’ll point out best I can who will be responsible and who we need to jettison. I have some predictions, but I’ll reserve judgment until my first gander at the game is complete.
"tough times call for perseverance and a tough mind. I have been told that I can't play football before. We all know what happened with that. #neverquit"--Mark Herzlich
""The massive Raider Nation is beyond doubt the sleaziest and rudest and most sinister mob of thugs and wackos ever assembled."--Hunter S. Thompson
I mean everybody has to keep in mind...
it’s preseason… last time we went 4-0 in preseason we drafted JaFuckedtheteamup Russell… worst season ever… so I take it all with a huge grain of salt…
That being said… my main concerns were the o-line and secondary… WLB would be a nice hole to fill… but it’s not something that’s gonna instantly propel the team into playoffs… so you understand my concern when I hear the o-line looked awful and the secondary got torched by a guy that’s already carrying a huge bust label… I’ll watch it tomorrow
The Oline can be fixed with time.
We don’t have a great group of guys in the front but they are okay. Stopping the run is the biggest problem for the is them. Almost every game we lost last year was because of the run defense.
up until a year ago
every team in our division was a run first offense… and we didn’t have Seymour… our front 7 isn’t a problem… we REALLY need to utilize John Henderson more, obviously hard to do when he’s hurt but he’s a run stopping beast…
I just hope McClain steps it up a few notches this year… big hopes for that guy
I don't know what you have been watching but we gave up yard to everyone last year
We ranked 28 out of 32 in the NFL in rush defense. Even with Seymour we are still 28th ranked run defense.
... i'm not saying we have a #1 rush d
i’m saying the personnel is here already for the most part… and john henderson was hurt last year… not only that, nobody wanted to pass when we had the best corner in the league, arguably the best secondary… minus nnamdi… i guarantee we’re better in the rush d stat department…
You are looking at 2nd ranked pass defense
I see we gave up 29 passing TD’s while giving up only the second fewest yards. It wasn’t team could pass on us they just chose to run on us. 29 td is 27th in the NFL. I agree we do have talent but we are stuck in the 80’s on defense. You can’t beat average QB’s with man coverage and single high man coverage. its not hard to improve from 28 you talk like we are going to be a top 10 team when it come to stopping the run
by Micheal Y on Aug 20, 2011 10:30 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
when QBs played Oakland last 3 years, I sat them in fantasy...
ditto for #1 WRs on a team… never really screwed me… that’s all I’m saying…
it was dangerous to throw on us… unless Mcfadden was in, haha… do I agree with EVERYTHING Al Davis does in drafting, and changing coaches when the team’s turning around…. giving big money to his guys? Yea, sure, sometimes… (DHB, Russell, Huff (could have had Haloti Ngata, I wanted him so bad that year, talk about building a bully) Gallery (who kind of finally panned out), the Hall Experiment (which Nnamdi himself disapproved of letting him go), Janikowski in the 1st round lol… yea, but sometimes I love his picks… Denarius Moore, Louis Murphy, Michael Bush, Darren McFadden (who was kind of obvious, but still, he’s awesome), Richard Seymour move after seeing Al fuck up a first first rounders anyways I was cool with haha… BO fuckin JACKSON in the 7th…. but dude takes chances and can be a legitimate threat… just kind of getting pissed the Partriots keep getting our picks lol
Fantasy football isn't really football.
How can you say you agree with everything AL does. No Man can agree with another man 100% of the time unless you don’t have any thoughts of your own. Everyone who is a Raider Fan Loves AL but that doesn’t mean he is always right. AL has done a lot for football but his time has pasted you can’t just play single high man coverage all game long. You can’t over pay a player because he is your guy. And You can’t be the Owner,GM,DC
just saying
you are pretty much always spot on, dude
"BA doesn't stand for Batting Average. It’s Brandon Allen, as in the percentage of a hitter’s worth compared to Brandon Allen. Ted Williams, at his best, was only 4/10th of the hitter Brandon Allen is today." - YonYonson
This must have been tough on you guys.
Don’t worry. Soon enough the 49ers will be out of the Bay Area and you’ll have permanent bragging rights.
by TheNeonGodTheyMade on Aug 20, 2011 9:49 PM PDT reply actions
.... really?
gtfo man… i give the 9ers their due…. they aren’t some pushover team… they have a lot of talent especially in the front 7… but gtfo of here with THAT shit
F@ckin troll, I'm sure we will outperform you whiners during the regular season.
If you are not here to blog friendly or at least smartly, don’t let the door hit you on your way out. Fuck off asshole.
by RaiderPsycho on Aug 21, 2011 12:03 PM PDT up reply actions
Damn, cork is reporting 2 males were shot in the car park after the game
"Anytime you have an organization and an owner that wants to win as badly as Al Davis wants to win, and will spend the money to win, I don’t think you have as many barriers as you think. Those are easy. The ones that would be tough is where you didn’t have any good players and you had an owner or an organization that didn’t want to spend any money to get good players." - John Madden, 2008
"We’re going to be a tough, rugged football team that walks with a swagger and plays the way the Raiders used to play." Hue Jackson
RAW IS PUNK! WWE ZACKDOWN!!!
Just got back
from hell on Earth (Canberra) to find this shit. As if going there wasn’t enough reason to make me want to off myself.
"In football, I root for the Oakland Raiders because they hire castoffs, outlaws, malcontents, and fuck -ups, they have lots of penalties, fights, and paybacks, and because Al Davis told the rest of the pig NFL owners to go get fucked. Someday, the Raiders will be strong again, and they will dip the ball in shit and shove it down the throats of the wholesome, white, heartland teams that pray together and don't deliver late hits." - George Carlin.
i just cant say it enough
after looking over the film, khalif is just terrible. loper not far behind. and the day i see carlisle get a push is the day hell freezes over. at this point starting two rookies is quite fine by me. barksdale had some starter snaps in the first and second quarter and looked solid. id like to see him with more extended time. i thought bruce campbell played fairly well. run blocking wasnt bad, he just got a lil high in his pass blocking from time to time. also…. boyd is about as bad as walt mcfadden. not only does he routinly miss his chance to make a tackle, while doing so he’ll actually take his own team mates out too. ive seen it about three times now in two games… i want me some mike mitchell damnit.
i hope walter mcfadden gets cut really,
man we should pick up tatupu and hayden, they would help us big time
I am just lost
Why is it so hard for us to stop the Run. Everyone knows you have to stop teams from running in order to win games. For some reason no one has told our team that. We have been in the bottom 10 in stopping the run since 2004 when we were 11th.
again....
when you have the best secondary in the league…. who wants to pass against that? we lost nnamdi…. that’s the #1 reason people ran against us to begin with…. the fact we didn’t stuff them every time is almost a moot point
furthermore...
$200 says the eagles have a “bad run defense” next season…. why? cause how the fuck can you conscientiously pass against Nnamdi, DRC, and Samuel (who they should move to FS, he’d be a monster)….
Did you see the game yesterday.
Nnamdi can hold his own Samuel is a guesser he gambles alot. The Eagle don’t an no one at safety. so yes you can throw the ball on them. Also there whole LB is under sized Nnamdi has nothing to do with running the ball on the eagles. If you put all those guys on the steelers are teams going to start running the ball. No.
What are you basing this best secondary on.
We look good on paper but or scheme sucks. We gave up 29 td’s last year the worst secondary in the NFL gave up 33Td’s So how are we this great pass defense. The packers secondary was better than ours last year along with many other teams with less talent. We are at the bottom rushing yards and we are tied for 20th rushing td’s scored on us. Our Defense sucks not because of talent but because Al refuses to allow any DC to run the defense and man to man defense. I am lost because we don’t allow anyone on our defense to be playmakers. we had a shutdown corner did we force teams to throw at him no we just made him one of the guys. we didn’t even make him play all over the field.
by Micheal Y on Aug 20, 2011 10:51 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
We were a tually pretty good against the run 90% of the time last year but we always seemed to give up one or two big plays o screw it up
"Anytime you have an organization and an owner that wants to win as badly as Al Davis wants to win, and will spend the money to win, I don’t think you have as many barriers as you think. Those are easy. The ones that would be tough is where you didn’t have any good players and you had an owner or an organization that didn’t want to spend any money to get good players." - John Madden, 2008
"We’re going to be a tough, rugged football team that walks with a swagger and plays the way the Raiders used to play." Hue Jackson
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very true
steelers make 2 yards feel like 10yards to gain when u try run on them
by AlwaysWinBaby on Aug 20, 2011 10:42 PM PDT up reply actions
I beat it's top NFL RB's
We allow anyone to break on us
i know
but it just looks impossible to gain 2 yards when i watch them, they make it so hard to gain, i mean look at us last year, 2nd best rushing team and we got stuffed even when we only needed like 3 yards lol, steelers make it hard to gain short yardage
RAIDERS NATION
"There only can be one nation, The Raider Nation"
by AlwaysWinBaby on Aug 20, 2011 11:15 PM PDT up reply actions
the lack of a servicable Will linebacker
us hurting us terribly. Groves is constantly out of position and late on tackles. We always seem to get hurt on the cutback, where someone (mostly Groves) has over pursued and is not filling his gap. That gap is the hole the RB is looking for and he finds every time against us, it’s been happening for years and cost Kirk Morrison and Thomas Howard their jobs and still nothing has changed.
"Now I know what your thinking, did he fire six shots or only five. Ive forgotten myself in all this excitement, but being that this is the 44 magnum, the most powerful handgun in the world and could blow your head clean off, you have to ask your question. Do I feel lucky? Well do ya punk!"
Dirty Harry Callahan
Some initial observations:
the first team defense has yet to give up a touchdown, and in this game, gave up no scores at all.
DHB, at least in the first half, was targeted twice, and made two tough grabs, staying in bounds against the odds.
Kevin Boss has caught all balls thrown at him, at least up to the first half too (still have to watch second half).
Our OLBs need to be replaced; tell me something we didn’t know. On all big plays we gave up, it was either Groves on his side, or Kamerion Wimbley on his side. On the plays Wimbley got beat, he was lining up DE in the big nickel five man front… still, it showcased that he sucks as a linebacker, and perhaps as a DE against the run. We need not one, but two OLBs from free agency, and fast.
Our second team unit with Lamarrr Houston against opponents’ first team offense, made another solid goal line stand, has yet to give up a TD to a first team unit, and gave up only a field goal in what should’ve easily been a TD for Frisco today (it’s been Lamarr almost singlehandedly though, so it may not truly count as a second team defense, even though every other guy was).
On the one play we needed Jason to not overthrow the receiver, he did. He’s getting the ball out much quicker, his releases are snappier, he’s moving through progressions, but he still hesitates at the worse times.
I’ll have a play by play breakdown of the first half up tomorrow by noon; tonight, I’ll just complete watching the game.
The major positive of all of it: it highlights how badly we need to realize Groves and Wimbley suck as OLBs, and how badly we need help at the position. If we were to bring in Tatupu and Morrison, I’d be suddenly feeling great about everything.
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ill give it to DHB
that one sideline catch on the right side right before the endzone, the back shoulder one, that was a great play.
by frank7da2tank on Aug 20, 2011 10:55 PM PDT up reply actions
Great throw great catch
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In honour of that
I’m retiring the Dick Hands tag for a week. I hope this is a sign he’s turning around.
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by Screwfish on Aug 20, 2011 11:21 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
You should if the kid was in the tank thats one thing
This kid is working HARD maybe Harder than a lot of people with more talent but at the end of the it sounds like he was solid! I had to listen on radio I was at a poker tournament.
I think Wimbly is fine, that first PI was bullshit
We could def do with an upgrade on the other side.
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Wimbley will always be a liability on sealing the edge on tough edge runners, and lacks instinct reading and reacting to the run
and is marginal in coverage. I want some real outside lbs. Goethel is a better prospect than either Groves or Wimbley. that is all.
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The Raiders need to admit that Wimbley is a DE
not a OLB and that is why he will always be a liability in the run game and in coverage.
Groves…? He just plain stinks period
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grooves looks like only a passrusher
the guy struggles tryna cover, also he looks so slow, sign tatupu for that position or u can put and gothel on that side and put grooves at de
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by AlwaysWinBaby on Aug 20, 2011 11:10 PM PDT up reply actions
No instincts whatsoever. Groves and Boyd take the worst angles possible, WTF is Hue thinking? Let Waffle take over the Defense!
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by Sons-of-Blanda on Aug 21, 2011 4:49 AM PDT up reply actions
We are looking through the same eyes, Brhynno.
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by Sons-of-Blanda on Aug 21, 2011 4:45 AM PDT up reply actions
You didn't mention Boyd or Cumbie who "played" the first half ... but I suppose it's just too obvious
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by Sons-of-Blanda on Aug 21, 2011 4:47 AM PDT up reply actions
Just watched the first half again
And on second look it was nowhere near as bad as it seemed the first time.
- Oline was actually pretty good up until 1 minute left and I think Trent coming in threw the rythem a little bit.
-JC looked great although he did miss Boss on first and goal and the play where he got hurt wasn’t pretty but other than that he was very impressive.
-the first team Defense was good but had a couple of lapses in concentration which is to be expected to a certain extent in preseason. The play call on the Shaughnessy INT was a beautiful call.
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i didnt watch the game but ive seriously thought shaughnessy would make a great olb
What if we switched him to olb and put wimbley at de?
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by Marcus Allen Krause on Aug 20, 2011 11:03 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Shaughnassy is ok dropping back in a zone occasionally but i cant see him running with TE's
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idk ive seen him flat out run at WI
Just a thought. I think Matt is such a good player we could put him there and he’d succeed. He definitely has the body of a linebacker and is one of the smartest guys on our team
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by Marcus Allen Krause on Aug 20, 2011 11:07 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Shaughnessy is, without question, the very best player under 30 years old on this team.
Wouldn’t surprise me at all if he could replace any of the front 7positions
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by Sons-of-Blanda on Aug 21, 2011 4:51 AM PDT up reply actions
/\ on the Defense
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by Sons-of-Blanda on Aug 21, 2011 4:53 AM PDT up reply actions
Post game interviews
Rock: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oXut_n7m-pw&feature=player_embedded
Ichi Shichi: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PjXqgI6Evwo&feature=player_embedded
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more post game interviews here
http://www.csnbayarea.com/pages/video?PID=hXWM2-k5O869MSdHfReewzEzUdeThdNJRlcB4f
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how did wiz 2.0 do? he was pumped for this game
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by Marcus Allen Krause on Aug 20, 2011 11:09 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
umm whatever happened to trevor scott?
is he injured? this guy is a beast DE and i haven’t seen him play, he can also play OLB
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yeah he is injured
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still healing
but not at all an OLB option either, imo. These guys are all exceptional pass rushers, but liabilities in shedding/avoiding/getting off blocks in the run game and in coverage. Let’s get some fucking balanced guys already.
The weakness against the run is almost entirely the OLBs, or lack thereof, on this team.
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will he be back at week one?
the guys a monster
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by AlwaysWinBaby on Aug 20, 2011 11:16 PM PDT up reply actions
we never know. I'd say we will have a good idea by the second week of the season
because we’ll know if he’s practicing or not. I believe they’re gonna err on the side of caution, and make sure he recovers one hundred percent from a gnarly, debilitating injury.
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This is why we picked up Moss. He might not be Scott, but may suffice until Scott returns.
Moss did fine at least in this game. Hope his progression continues.
by RaiderPsycho on Aug 21, 2011 12:17 PM PDT up reply actions
Moss gives me hope and despite some other opinions, I believe he could transition into a more effective OLB
than we currently have.
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by Sons-of-Blanda on Aug 21, 2011 1:07 PM PDT up reply actions
groves looks so slow,
i mean wimbley has the talent to be a dominant old but groves idk,, he looks too slow. raiders need speed at the olb, we always get smokked on tosse
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by AlwaysWinBaby on Aug 20, 2011 11:19 PM PDT up reply actions
disagree that Wimbley can be even a good OLB
he’s great at rushing the passer and occasionally disrupting the passing lanes and tipping passes. He’s horrible sealing the edge against strong edge rushers, lacks instincts reading, and is marginal in coverage.
Fire Groves yesterday. I’d prefer Sam Williams were playing.
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OLB
True about wimbley im just saying he has talent coming out of college, he was drafted in the 1st round right? so he has to have talent or some kind of trait that made him shine iin college that people seen, but goethel should start over groves cuz groves cant run for shit
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by AlwaysWinBaby on Aug 20, 2011 11:26 PM PDT up reply actions
but it doesn't always equate to this level; he couldn't get it done at the position in CLE
and he’s unable here, too. Al was able to see he can be a tremendous pass rusher, but he’s a one trick pony, it seems.
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I can't believe sam is still on scholarship
where was his financial aid counselor when i was in college
by lchristmas on Aug 21, 2011 12:00 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Groves is actually fast, but he takes dreadful angles, has no sense for the ball and is running around wasting energy
and mostly getting in our own people’s way
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by Sons-of-Blanda on Aug 21, 2011 1:08 PM PDT up reply actions
+1
i saw him block one of our players from making a tackle in the game.
by RyanTheRaider on Aug 21, 2011 2:12 PM PDT up reply actions
I think we have to go to the 3-4
Wimbley is a 3-4 OLB any way. and we would put them in any area instead of man coverage. Matt Shaughnessy could play the other OLB The only problem is NT. that shouldn’t matter it’s not like we are stopping the run anyway.
I am for what ever works on defense.
But please stop the run.
Some real OLBs for our 43 would solve that problem
I heard Plunk or Papa say something stupid about how the Raiders are trying to keep the second level simple, by keeping McClain at Mike, with Goethel as his backup, Wimbley and Groves and Sam and Will backers, and “some guys for backups.”
Yeah… it’s that bad.
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Where are we going to get two 4-3 OLB
no one is out there
Sign Tatupu to backup Mike backer, make Goethel the Will backer
go with whomever else comes off waivers in the next two weeks to battle it out with Wimbley for the Sam spot. and I mean everybody.
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4-3 is better in my opinon
I mean our main strength is the d-line so having four of them is pretty devastating, i just think that our real issues is the OLB, we cant stop tosses, anything toward the b or c gaps its over.
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by AlwaysWinBaby on Aug 20, 2011 11:24 PM PDT up reply actions
you can rush four with a 3-4
in fact I think with Wimbley and Shaughnessy on the edge makes the Dline better. Death
Compare our DTs and DEs to our LBs. Now, doesn't 4-3 make sense? We need to keep Shaughnessy, Houston, Seymour, Kelly, Henderson
on the field as much as possible. Our LBs as a whole are below mediocre. Only McClain and Goethel are solid. Wimbley is a specialist and the rest are below grade.
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by Sons-of-Blanda on Aug 21, 2011 4:59 AM PDT up reply actions
Wimbley is DE too
the Raiders just refuse to admit it.
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These guys might find some success in the 34, but it ain't happening as is. Too much field for them to cover
and, we’d need another DT, preferably a real zero technique guy or two. Seymour and Kelly are more 3 technique guys, but both can draw double teams on any given play, but it would be much less likely were they not side by side.
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yeah but it's not like we are planning on stopping the run
so we make as well try it out
d-line is a strenght. lb is not
why subtract one dl and add an lb?
Eventually, all things merge into one, and a river runs through it.
by Rich Langford on Aug 20, 2011 11:29 PM PDT up reply actions
this
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i disagree with a 34 but i really would be interested in shaughnessy playing 43 olb for us
We have the depth on the do to be OK when Scott got back from injury or moving wimbley back to de
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by Marcus Allen Krause on Aug 20, 2011 11:34 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
lol. he couldn't be any worse than either guy now
but he’s just a great DE, and just like he said in halftime, so modestly, he was just dropping into the zone he was assigned and the ball was right there. he did his job. but he has ridiculous athleticism, and often looks like a safety, despite his massive size.
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he reminds me a lot of clay matthews when it comes to that size mixed with fluid motion and high football iq
Clay at times looks like a safety too. Its that fluidity in the movements. I definitely see that in Matty too
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by Marcus Allen Krause on Aug 20, 2011 11:39 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Thats why he should be an 3-4 OLB
He has the make up to be in space. Plus He and Wimbley are the teams best pass rushers. I don’t know what you guys watch but most 3-4 team have 5 guys rush the QB
i think the 34 is moot point though because Al wouldnt allow it
I love the 3-4 d when it works but u really need the right coach to run it and we brought in a 4-3 coach. Maybe after Al is gone to be with all the other greats that have left us but until then I don’t see it.
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by Marcus Allen Krause on Aug 20, 2011 11:44 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
you do realise we won superbowls in the 3-4
we were actually the first team to ever win a superbowl in 3-4.
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wow no didnt know that. ive never seen them run a 3-4. i retract my previous statement.
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by Marcus Allen Krause on Aug 20, 2011 11:48 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
been a few decades tho
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thanks for the knowledge though that is pretty freakin neat
Born in 85
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by Marcus Allen Krause on Aug 20, 2011 11:51 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
no excuse
I’m 84 :P lmao
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LOL! ok just straight lazyness then?
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hahahahahaha :)
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neither Kelly or Seymour, are really suited for the 34
both are potent side by side, but get them double teamed every play, and you render them ineffective much more often. Their strength comes from one of them always drawing a double, freeing up the other to be unobstructed or one on one, and our ends are spectacular at the same time. It would require rendering Seymour, our best player and leader, mostly ineffective.
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Seymour played a pretty good 34 in NE though
but your right in that the personel we have as a whole does not really fit a full time 3-4. I would say like last year we will some some 3-4 variations at times though
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mostly at DE
and statistically, he did nothing from the tackle spot. well, next to nothing, but that’s what the NT does, allowing for the backers to make the plays.
on another note, wtf?
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article/comments/view?f=/c/a/2011/08/20/SPKL1KQ2U8.DTL
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I know how fucking dumb
it says the suspect was caught was wearing a Raider shirt as well, but the may be getting confused with the other shooting.
There was also a fight in the stands that went on so long with no security that they just ended up stopping.
"Anytime you have an organization and an owner that wants to win as badly as Al Davis wants to win, and will spend the money to win, I don’t think you have as many barriers as you think. Those are easy. The ones that would be tough is where you didn’t have any good players and you had an owner or an organization that didn’t want to spend any money to get good players." - John Madden, 2008
"We’re going to be a tough, rugged football team that walks with a swagger and plays the way the Raiders used to play." Hue Jackson
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i also saw on twitter someone said that he put on a Raider shirt after the shooting.
"Anytime you have an organization and an owner that wants to win as badly as Al Davis wants to win, and will spend the money to win, I don’t think you have as many barriers as you think. Those are easy. The ones that would be tough is where you didn’t have any good players and you had an owner or an organization that didn’t want to spend any money to get good players." - John Madden, 2008
"We’re going to be a tough, rugged football team that walks with a swagger and plays the way the Raiders used to play." Hue Jackson
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that's what we're saying; he's successful when we send him rushing the qb
we’re saying why would you disrupt arguably the best front four, to cure what ails a guy who should be a DE, instead of an OLB? I agree with you he could be successful as an OLB in a 34, but it would be primarily as a 3 or 5 technique edge rusher, and since he’d have less space to cover, he might be able to seal the edge and be less often in one on one situations with pulling guards blocking and could stop the run.
"tough times call for perseverance and a tough mind. I have been told that I can't play football before. We all know what happened with that. #neverquit"--Mark Herzlich
""The massive Raider Nation is beyond doubt the sleaziest and rudest and most sinister mob of thugs and wackos ever assembled."--Hunter S. Thompson
You do know just because it's a 3-4 you don't have to rush 3 people
Demarcus Ware is and OLB how many times does he play coverage.You Add the Travis Goethel in the Middle so now you have 2 sure tacklers in the middle. While only forcing Wimbley to play in an area in stead of trying to cover .
Raider weakness
NEVER HAVING DEPTH IN DEFENSE
INJURIES
AND MOST OF ALL HOLDING PENALTIES :D
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this is all true
we have very poor depth, as evidenced by immediate gashing in the second half, and the penalties have got to stop.
One of them was by Rock trying hard to keep his qb from getting killed; I’m not mad at him for that one, and in fact would prefer some of our guys would err on the side of that to giving up sacks.
"tough times call for perseverance and a tough mind. I have been told that I can't play football before. We all know what happened with that. #neverquit"--Mark Herzlich
""The massive Raider Nation is beyond doubt the sleaziest and rudest and most sinister mob of thugs and wackos ever assembled."--Hunter S. Thompson
i remember that block i was disappointed,
wishing the ref didn’t see it cuz u could tell that was gonna be a hold
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by AlwaysWinBaby on Aug 20, 2011 11:39 PM PDT up reply actions
Rock is the man. He could do that ten times, and I wouldn't be mad
which isn’t at all likely. Dude just has heart like Rudy Rudiger, and if Barksdale could get half that, we’d have our RT problem solved.
"tough times call for perseverance and a tough mind. I have been told that I can't play football before. We all know what happened with that. #neverquit"--Mark Herzlich
""The massive Raider Nation is beyond doubt the sleaziest and rudest and most sinister mob of thugs and wackos ever assembled."--Hunter S. Thompson
our defensive coordinator need to make blitzing more confusing
cuz we tried to blitz alex smith and it looked like most of the time we blitz it was covered up,
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judging play calling in preseason is moot
it’s all about talent evaluation, and they call the plays that showcase glaring weaknesses and innate strengths.
"tough times call for perseverance and a tough mind. I have been told that I can't play football before. We all know what happened with that. #neverquit"--Mark Herzlich
""The massive Raider Nation is beyond doubt the sleaziest and rudest and most sinister mob of thugs and wackos ever assembled."--Hunter S. Thompson
exactly
they are funning very basic packages on both sides of the ball at the moment.
"Anytime you have an organization and an owner that wants to win as badly as Al Davis wants to win, and will spend the money to win, I don’t think you have as many barriers as you think. Those are easy. The ones that would be tough is where you didn’t have any good players and you had an owner or an organization that didn’t want to spend any money to get good players." - John Madden, 2008
"We’re going to be a tough, rugged football team that walks with a swagger and plays the way the Raiders used to play." Hue Jackson
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i see
just wondering cuz it would be terrible if a shitty qb like alex smith can figure out our d is blitzing, there was so many broken coverages lol
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by AlwaysWinBaby on Aug 20, 2011 11:33 PM PDT up reply actions
Only saw the first half...
But here is what I saw.
The Good
DHB—Made two great tough catches. He has been making improvements each year and I see him making more improvement this year.
Bush—Really showed the power running side of the Raiders running attack. When him and Run DMC get back together, the most dangerous running combo in the NFL will dominate.
Campbell—Campbell played quite well, including some nice passes to DHB.
The Bad
The penalties—On the drive where Campbell got knocked out of the game or maybe it was the next drive. The Raiders committed two 10 yard penalties that changed a 1st and 10 to a 1st and 30.
The run defense—6 yards a carry. That is awful
The secondary—For the second game in the row, they looked lost. They made Alex Smith look like a pro bowler. What’s going to happen to this secondary when they play Brees, Brady, Schaub, Rivers and Rogers?
The secondary
i’ll tell you whats gonna happen, brady’s gonna score in 3 plays starting from there 1 yard line,
honestly i have seen many pressed coverages since nnamdi left, are we always gonna play off the Wr’s? Cuz were at best when we jam em all up
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by AlwaysWinBaby on Aug 20, 2011 11:37 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm not the least bit worried about the secondary
when our first team d line is in, they get to the qb in plenty of time to where the same kids will be able to jump routes, and we’re not even running our first team back there yet. We’re finding our way with who we have. CJ is out, Routt barely played, Huff could play nickel back on many plays, and the guy you’re seeing getting burned, in Walter McFadden, more than anyone, probably won’t be on the team.
"tough times call for perseverance and a tough mind. I have been told that I can't play football before. We all know what happened with that. #neverquit"--Mark Herzlich
""The massive Raider Nation is beyond doubt the sleaziest and rudest and most sinister mob of thugs and wackos ever assembled."--Hunter S. Thompson
Walter Mcfadden
i mean this guy has a shot be a 3rd string raider or maybe even 2nd string but it looks like he just cant cope with WR’s that are bigger then him, he never looks back for the ball when braylon edwards caught that pass, just terrible ball skills
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by AlwaysWinBaby on Aug 20, 2011 11:43 PM PDT up reply actions
A sure fire sign of a corner struggling, and probably not able to play at this level and in our division
is when he’s always got his back to the qb 100%, never looking for the ball when he’s getting burned. That’s the shot you see consistently on Walter.
"tough times call for perseverance and a tough mind. I have been told that I can't play football before. We all know what happened with that. #neverquit"--Mark Herzlich
""The massive Raider Nation is beyond doubt the sleaziest and rudest and most sinister mob of thugs and wackos ever assembled."--Hunter S. Thompson
when is the first cuts?
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by AlwaysWinBaby on Aug 20, 2011 11:54 PM PDT up reply actions
we have to get down to 80
by the 30th
by RyanTheRaider on Aug 20, 2011 11:56 PM PDT up reply actions
I hope you're right
I really do. But if anyone in the secondary, especially the corners get hurt during the season, we’ll be praying to QBs for the other teams miss the plane or something.
yeah ur right if cj or routt goes down
i suggest putting our 4 or 5th string WR’s in there
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by AlwaysWinBaby on Aug 20, 2011 11:46 PM PDT up reply actions
Just up to watching the third quarter again
Wiz Hulk and JB look real strong and mean. Love it.
"Anytime you have an organization and an owner that wants to win as badly as Al Davis wants to win, and will spend the money to win, I don’t think you have as many barriers as you think. Those are easy. The ones that would be tough is where you didn’t have any good players and you had an owner or an organization that didn’t want to spend any money to get good players." - John Madden, 2008
"We’re going to be a tough, rugged football team that walks with a swagger and plays the way the Raiders used to play." Hue Jackson
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in the supplemental draft?
isnt it if u pick someone u lose ur 1st round pick the next year?
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u lose the pick u offered for the player if u win them
Its not cut and dry 1st round is gone, u have to have offered it for the specific player for them to take it
"We want to win. The Raider fans deserve it. The Raider players deserve it, even my organization deserves it. You have to win and you have to win with a vision for the Super Bowl. That's our passion here."--Al Davis
"Winning isn't everything, but wanting to win is."--Vince Lombardi
by Marcus Allen Krause on Aug 20, 2011 11:46 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
no
the pick you use is the one you lose
by RyanTheRaider on Aug 20, 2011 11:47 PM PDT up reply actions
Hopefully taiwan jones can bring this to our team
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CixSFswqFtE
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not having an outside runner is definitely a major missing piece in our offence so far this preseason
"Anytime you have an organization and an owner that wants to win as badly as Al Davis wants to win, and will spend the money to win, I don’t think you have as many barriers as you think. Those are easy. The ones that would be tough is where you didn’t have any good players and you had an owner or an organization that didn’t want to spend any money to get good players." - John Madden, 2008
"We’re going to be a tough, rugged football team that walks with a swagger and plays the way the Raiders used to play." Hue Jackson
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im a little concerned about our secondary
but i think that will go away when Mitchell and CJ are back.Oline is concerning as well, but if we put the right guys out there i think that will go away too.
OLBs can be fixed
with Goethel starting and/or signing Morrison
by RyanTheRaider on Aug 21, 2011 12:06 AM PDT up reply actions
Wimbley is not going anywhere
I think we are slightly over reacting on him.
"Anytime you have an organization and an owner that wants to win as badly as Al Davis wants to win, and will spend the money to win, I don’t think you have as many barriers as you think. Those are easy. The ones that would be tough is where you didn’t have any good players and you had an owner or an organization that didn’t want to spend any money to get good players." - John Madden, 2008
"We’re going to be a tough, rugged football team that walks with a swagger and plays the way the Raiders used to play." Hue Jackson
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i like Wimbley
its Groves, Goethel should be starting instead, or Morrison should be.
by RyanTheRaider on Aug 21, 2011 12:12 AM PDT up reply actions
agreed
"Anytime you have an organization and an owner that wants to win as badly as Al Davis wants to win, and will spend the money to win, I don’t think you have as many barriers as you think. Those are easy. The ones that would be tough is where you didn’t have any good players and you had an owner or an organization that didn’t want to spend any money to get good players." - John Madden, 2008
"We’re going to be a tough, rugged football team that walks with a swagger and plays the way the Raiders used to play." Hue Jackson
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A voice of reason in a blustery sea...
A: I only listened on the radio Papa make things exciting I was playing in a poker tourney… I will be watching it 8 PM PST
B: Our rushing attack is led by Daren McFadden he didn’t play
C: Ford was our most dynamic player last year he wasn’t on the field.
D: DHB was very solid! Get off his ass!
E: Bruce Campbell got to play and he played pissed
F: Rich Seymour was a beast still worth the trade
G: CJ was out rookies are in getting reps
H: We have learned that Denarious is a star on the rise and continues to shine.
I: We still have work to do a lot of work
J: I mentioned the absence of Mike Mitchell Jerome Boyd is no Mike Mitchell
K: CC Rider got his feet wet
L: Kevin Boss is good
M: Kahlif is not good be happy he sucked that means there is a better chance of him being cut!
O: Goethnel is a player
P: Shaughnesey is for real!
Q: Quarter Back depth seems pretty good a bad throw by Trent it sounds like but shit happens
R: Running the ball is what makes this team go and the passing is improving
S: As someone and many people have eluded too this is preseason
T: If this continues then there is an issue until then its preseason
U: Senseless violence and people dying at football games is a bigger issue than the outcome of this game
V: Victory always taste better than defeat any time
X: I still hate the 49ers
Z: I felt 9-7 this feels like a 9-7 teams until they learn to beat the opponents they should!
Note to self listening to the Raider game like this is not good for your poker game!!!
I wasnt impressed with Goethal tonight
first TD was his fault due to over pursuit didnt plug the gaps well enough.
"Anytime you have an organization and an owner that wants to win as badly as Al Davis wants to win, and will spend the money to win, I don’t think you have as many barriers as you think. Those are easy. The ones that would be tough is where you didn’t have any good players and you had an owner or an organization that didn’t want to spend any money to get good players." - John Madden, 2008
"We’re going to be a tough, rugged football team that walks with a swagger and plays the way the Raiders used to play." Hue Jackson
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I haven't got to see that part yet.
Papa made him sound good he has a way of doing that he’s had a lot of practice.
i think hes better at olb then mlb, hes got speed and decent tackling ability
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by AlwaysWinBaby on Aug 21, 2011 12:36 AM PDT up reply actions
OFF TOPIC: anyone play ncaa 12 online for ps3?
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Our DBs suck
What happen t the people saying losing Aso really wasnt that bad and we’d be able to handle it? Still hurting there
Groves and Goethel suck and Kam sucks against the run
we have no subs outside of RB and WR and Qb
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CJ was out
and it wasnt all our CBs, Boyd and Walt were the problem with our secondary,Routt played great, DVD only got beat once,Checkwa made a few mistakes but he has been out for a while, SMoores played well,Branch and Huff played well, Brown made some mistakes.Watching the game again, cant say it enough, Boyd is terrible.
by RyanTheRaider on Aug 21, 2011 1:12 AM PDT up reply actions
+1
Chimdi and S’mores had them on lock in the third quarter as well which was good, and I agree that DVD a better outing as well.
I think peoples expectations are ridiculous sometimes, just because a DB has one ball caught on him it does not mean he has had a shit game or is a shitty player, most times they don’t show when they have had good coverage and the mistakes get highlighted.
Also our O-line was actually pretty damn good in my opinion especially the young guys in the second half. There was one bad patch in the last minute of the half and JB had one bad play where he allowed a tackle for loss on a bull rush but other than that they played quite well. Loper is by far the weakest link but when we play a proper game and we are rotating guys through I think we have the makings of a pretty good o-line and defensive backfield.
"Anytime you have an organization and an owner that wants to win as badly as Al Davis wants to win, and will spend the money to win, I don’t think you have as many barriers as you think. Those are easy. The ones that would be tough is where you didn’t have any good players and you had an owner or an organization that didn’t want to spend any money to get good players." - John Madden, 2008
"We’re going to be a tough, rugged football team that walks with a swagger and plays the way the Raiders used to play." Hue Jackson
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re watching the game
our first team d played well, Boyd,Brown,and Groves made us look bad.Agree with you about loper, would like to see wiz start next weak, campbell and barksdale too.Smoores needs to play earlier, hes playing great when he is in.
by RyanTheRaider on Aug 21, 2011 1:50 AM PDT up reply actions
The suspects
2 of the 3 have been getting hammered by all of us. Boyd and Groves Brown hasn’t had a great camp from what I have read.
Our expectations, along with the owner
is to win and dominate, we did neither. We did not look like a bully, in fact we were bullied.
I do realize it’s early, but our 1st team offense has not scored a touchdown in two preseason games and our first team “D” has been giving up a lot of yards. Hopefully it will all turn around, but up to now we look bad.
"Now I know what your thinking, did he fire six shots or only five. Ive forgotten myself in all this excitement, but being that this is the 44 magnum, the most powerful handgun in the world and could blow your head clean off, you have to ask your question. Do I feel lucky? Well do ya punk!"
Dirty Harry Callahan
i agree
but rewatching the game. it wasnt as bad as the first time,still disappointing.I think Hue will get our offense going by opening up the playbook and having McFadden and Ford back in the regular season.Getting CJ and Mitchell back, and starting Goethel would help our D alot.
by RyanTheRaider on Aug 21, 2011 2:16 PM PDT up reply actions
our severly depleted first team O
severely depleted. We haven’t even put several weapons on field together yet, either, and instead, put our most predictable back, however awesome he is, out there in run situations, and dude just pushed the pile. I also venture to say that had we run more down in the red zone, which I believe was also nixed to evaluate the red zone passing game and the talent, we’d have seen us get in.
First week, Khalif knows he can’t keep up with his guy three times in the pass game, and jumps the gun because of it. This week, he just plain sucks asshole, getting blown back off the line, and almost getting Jason hurt.
When we finish evaluating, and truly field our bully O line unit, which we have yet to really see get reps, we’ll light up the scoreboard.
"tough times call for perseverance and a tough mind. I have been told that I can't play football before. We all know what happened with that. #neverquit"--Mark Herzlich
""The massive Raider Nation is beyond doubt the sleaziest and rudest and most sinister mob of thugs and wackos ever assembled."--Hunter S. Thompson
Josh Morgan and Braylon Edwards are pretty good WR's
Had Josh not had off the field issues ha may have been a first rounder.
they are very respectable receivers, but both have big question marks too
Braylon had a good game, catching some difficult balls that overshadowed a couple he should’ve caught and dropped, which is characteristic of his game, and the reason the Jets let him go. But he’s a big strong body that commands respect from defenses. Josh just needs to gain confidence, to quote the great Troy McClure: “I’m actor,Troy McClure,” "you might recognize me from such motivational self-help videos as: ‘Smoke yourself thin,’ and ‘Get Confident, Stupid!’
"tough times call for perseverance and a tough mind. I have been told that I can't play football before. We all know what happened with that. #neverquit"--Mark Herzlich
""The massive Raider Nation is beyond doubt the sleaziest and rudest and most sinister mob of thugs and wackos ever assembled."--Hunter S. Thompson
I did not read all of the comments because it;s almost 4 in colorado
so I may repeat some things. I am glad DHB is starting to perform I do love the guy just off of effort alone. Moore is a play maker and should be great for us. I’m not worried about any preseason games because of injuries to key players. Side note from the only game on in Colorado, Donkey’s Defense is weak other than Miller and Elvis, offense is what it is pass first even with Fox running the show.
If you were looking for a bully....
That sure was not it. No run stopping, Smith looked like Brady, No protection or push by the offensive line and the Dline which I expected to dominate looked very ordinary, I was hoping to see an old school Raiders team with a crushing D and great offense. Not the same old Raiders. It’s time to shit can the rhetoric , quit trying to sell seats and actually start to show your going to be what you said. It is time to start playing the brand of football your selling ,REAL SMASHMOUTH RAIDER FOOTBALL and the stands will be full. While I realize there are some positives here I also know we are going to hear "we can fix it " “thats my job” lets hope they start to look better. John Madden always said you want to win the 3rd preseason game . So I am not too upset yet just disappointed. HOWEVER if this was a glimpse of this teams ability then it looks like 8 -8 is a stretch and it’s another year in which I spent 300 bucks to watch Sapp and those NFL network guys laugh at the Raiders.
by Canadian Raider on Aug 21, 2011 5:25 AM PDT reply actions
didn't see the game, but I have to say
I am a little worried right now. The Raiders keep talking about being bullies, but they seem to be on the losing end of every fight. Lets tally up the injuries: Ford, RUN DMC, Tiwain, Murphy, Campbell soup, Boss, CJ, Hiram is done for the year…. This is why I am worried. This isn’t the sign of a bully, it is the sign of being bullied.
Either Hue is working these guys too hard and they are flat for the games (my initial thought) or he doesn’t have bullies.
I will say this, that defensive scheme needs to change before the Raiders can make the next level. Every team in the NFL has figured out that big plays are a plenty on the ground game against Oakland. Is it the personnel that make this true? Nope, the Raiders have new players come and go. Thusly is it the scheme. Having the corners with their backs to the play as the ball is handed off gives the offense just enough advantage to make the difference, and thusly the large number of big runs the Raiders give up.
I didn’t even see the game, and didn’t need to. I knew before the game happened that the Raiders would lose this game. Why? Because EVERYTIME these two teams meet, the niners bring the wood and the Raiders get beat down. Nothing has changed I see. The 9ers are a good running team with a BIG line. The Raiders will struggle against teams like this, and Hue knows this works well, thusly he is trying to create this in Oakland.
The one ray of sunshine for me is that this is preseason, and the starters didn’t play the whole game, and they most likely ran vanilla plays on both sides of the ball.
Here’s to hoping for a better scheme in the regular season!
I'm not worried about it.
I listened to the game on the radio since I was out at the Lake pouring alcohol down my throat for the entire day.
From what I can tell we could move the ball at will with our first team, but once again sputtered out in the Red Zone. This is a small concern that I feel will be rectified when our team is healthy and together.
The defense bent but didn’t break. And the 1st team defense is quite ferocious no matter how that drive panned out. The Niners really didn’t seem to make a strong move until the backups came in. Once again our secondary is suspect, but none of the starters are playing right now. I feel that our front seven is going to make our secondary good, we just have to get in the business of trusting that aspect.
Groves is terrible, but what else is new? We’ve been hearing reports of how the Raiders are talking to Morrison and Tatupu and if there was a time to drop the hammer on this move it was yesterday. If we do not fill the WLB pronto we’re going to be in alot of trouble. Even though the outing wasn’t the strongest by Goethel I think even he would be a huge step up.
Once again I am not concerned with the outcome of a pre-season game. I don’t care who we played, this is the time to see what you have. There are some concerns naturally, but fact of the matter is we were prepared to see ugly football with the circumstances surrounding the league this year. As long as we keep chipping away we are going to see improvement everywhere. When I see the moves Hue is making right now it seems to me he’s playing these pre-season games for knowledge, not a W. You may disagree with that, but if you are gonna give something new a try now is the time to do it. Passing first? Yeah that’s not our style….
by TheDudeAbides138 on Aug 21, 2011 12:02 PM PDT reply actions
I will like to point out one thing, that I really saw a problem with.
When we Zone Blitzed, we excelled. We did. However, when we played REGULAR ZONE, WE SUCKED. Our corners played WAY too off of their receivers on the zone. The main thing i am pointing out is that our scheme, defensively, for the past 2 games, have not been mostly man to man at all.
Our problem is having the corners’ backs turned to the ball, like TD Rader said, but when it is a pass, having our corners’ backs facing the QB apparently is a problem.
I’m really targeting one person with this, but IF YOU HAVE NOT SEEN THE DIFFERENT SCHEMES AND BLITZES YET CALLED IN 2 PRESEASON GAMES, THEN YOU, SIR, NEED TO GET GAMECHANGER ON NFL.COM AND WATCH AGAIN.
As far as the 3-4 goes, 3-4 wouldn’t do anything for us, but make us even more suspect to the run. The one thing I HATE is taking a player out of his natural position. Shaughnessey is a DE. Houston is a DE/DT. Moss is a DE. Scott is a DE. Wimbley is a DE. Groves, is a DE. That is our problem: too many DEs playing LB. And to have almost ALL of our DEs playing LB in a 3-4 is DUMB AS HELL. That is why I want to sign LBs. We have 2 so far: McClain and Goethel. I will put Wimbley as an exception JUST because I believe he can get better playing the run (Will watch game tonight, and give my FULL Opinion.) However, Our Depth behind that sucks.
And with Trevor, I thought he was okay as an LB in 2009….wasn’t he alright?
Point is, we need at least 3 KNOWN LBs. I am calling HARD to sign Morrison, Tatupu, and another LB – Brandon Chillar, CHANNING CROWDER (GET HIM OUT OF RETIREMENT), Keith Ellison, Kevin bentley, Chase Blackburn, Tully Banta-Cain (he belings at DE), Thomas Davis, Quentin Moses – WE CAN GET MAD DEPTH AT LB.
Secondary will be taken care of….but we SERIOUSLY need help at LB.
In WHOEVER GIVES US THE WIN We Trust
by NFLanalyzerfromhome on Aug 21, 2011 12:32 PM PDT reply actions
+1
The only true weakness I see is at LB. The true problem with it is the 2nd level is possibly the most important part of the D.
Even if we got just one of those linebackers listed we’d have an immediate positive change in direction.
by TheDudeAbides138 on Aug 21, 2011 12:46 PM PDT up reply actions
That's the main thing.
We solve our LB problems, with good depth, and cut some of our DEs, then we don’t have to worry, because Our front 4’s pass rush is one of THE BEST in the NFL.
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by NFLanalyzerfromhome on Aug 21, 2011 1:16 PM PDT up reply actions
That's where I will disagree
Our Front 4 is a menace. But they won’t be able to keep up that intensity if they are tired. We can’t cut a bunch of our DEs, especially if they can contribute in a rotation. IMO they can.
by TheDudeAbides138 on Aug 21, 2011 1:21 PM PDT up reply actions
But look at our rotation:
Starting Line: Shaughnessy, Kelly, Seymour, Houston.
DTs: Henderson, Bryant, Houston, Seymour, Kelly
Backup DEs: Shaughnessy, Moss, Scott, Wimbley, Houston (I love how he can play both positions)
Now, we keep Groves, as a BACKUP DE (Because Scott is always injured), Cut most of the suck-ass LBs we have, and add Morrison, Tatupu, Challar, Ellison, and Bentley, then here is how are LBs would look. Don’t forget: we have a TON of backup LBs…that aren’t even worth backups.
McClain, Tatupu, Goethel, Morrison, Chillar, Ellison, Bentley, THEN add Wimbley.
With the addition of 5 LBs, Cut McFaddem, Groves, Boyd, Ware, and Barnes, and Oh Look! WE JUST ADDED TO SUBTRACT.
SERIOUSLY WHY DOESN’T THE FRONT OFFICE MAKE THESE MOVES?!?
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by NFLanalyzerfromhome on Aug 21, 2011 1:38 PM PDT up reply actions
THIS is Bitching.
Because this makes too much damn sense NOT to do it.
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by NFLanalyzerfromhome on Aug 21, 2011 1:39 PM PDT up reply actions
to do it*
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by NFLanalyzerfromhome on Aug 21, 2011 1:39 PM PDT up reply actions
Jarvis Moss should be considered for OLB, I know some will oppose this idea but given what we now have something must be done
And the Org should call Kirk Morrison today if they haven’t already.
S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
"I made a trade for Seymour. ..I thought it was a great trade. Still do. [Al Davis 1/2011]
"I love to win, even against my daughters, I want to win" Hue "Action" Jackson 8/19/11
by Sons-of-Blanda on Aug 21, 2011 1:12 PM PDT up reply actions
Agreed.
These Linebackers will come at a good price – NOBODY is calling them to pay them.
In WHOEVER GIVES US THE WIN We Trust
by NFLanalyzerfromhome on Aug 21, 2011 1:15 PM PDT up reply actions
In my heart of hearts
I think Captain Kirk is coming back home….I have no evidence to prove this, just a gut feeling that he’s the guy I’ve always thought he was.
by TheDudeAbides138 on Aug 21, 2011 1:26 PM PDT up reply actions
I hope you are wrong
I love the guys heart, but his play is less than acceptable. He is too small to deal with the OL which get to the second level, and really loses most battles with the FB too. He has heart, but doesn’t make the plays. Sure he has 100+ tackles every year, but they are all 3-4 yards down the field. He is one of the reasons the Raiders couldn’t stop the run, and one of the reasons Jville couldn’t either. Why do you think they aren’t looking to resign him either???
Too small… Can’t shed blocks… Play too far from line of scrimmage to make “negative yard stops”.
do you think he would be better than Groves?
or be a suitable backup at MLB so Goethel can start OLB?
by RyanTheRaider on Aug 21, 2011 7:20 PM PDT up reply actions
actually, if given the choice
Lofa would be my pick. He has great pass coverage skills, and can’t play the run worse than these two
I'd take Tatupa over Morrison but Kirk over Groves in a heart beat
S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
"I made a trade for Seymour. ..I thought it was a great trade. Still do. [Al Davis 1/2011]
"I love to win, even against my daughters, I want to win" Hue "Action" Jackson 8/19/11
by Sons-of-Blanda on Aug 21, 2011 7:30 PM PDT up reply actions
Yes
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
I do.
S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
"I made a trade for Seymour. ..I thought it was a great trade. Still do. [Al Davis 1/2011]
"I love to win, even against my daughters, I want to win" Hue "Action" Jackson 8/19/11
by Sons-of-Blanda on Aug 21, 2011 7:29 PM PDT up reply actions
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