Oakland Raiders Personnel Packaging: Play by Play; 49ers First team Offense vs. Raider's First Team Defense.
Before we get started, we'll get a quote from Hue Jackson post-game: "Right now, it's on me... I'm not putting it on the players yet... we've got to be better... you don't like to go backwards... I felt we went backwards today..." and in response to a question about getting some key players back: "That has nothing to do with tonight... Tonight, we didn't play, Raider football... We didn't play like a Raider..."
I concur, Mr. Jackson, I concur. Now onto the breakdown. Hit the jump folks, and let's see what the film can tell us.
They come out in 21 personnel, Frank Gore the deep back in the I formation, single TE, two wideout set. Delaney Walker is the decoy FB, who motions out right to make it two TEs, and the give is to Gore off the right tackle. Kamerion Wimbley seals the right side this time, for a gain of about 2 yards.
Niners starting line: LT Joe Staley, LG Mike Iupati, C Adam Snyder, RG Chilo Rachal, RT Anthony Davis.
Our front four to start: Matt Shaughnessy DE, Richard Seymour and Tommy Kelly DTs, Lamarr Houston DE. LBs Quentin Groves, Roland McClain, Kamerion Wimbley. CBs Stanford Routt and DeMarcus Van Dyke, Michael Huff at FS, Tyvon Branch at SS. Similarly to last week's first looks on what appears a clear passing down, FS Huff comes up to the line to blitz, and if he was trying to sell that he wasn't coming, he did a lousy job. Blitz is picked up by Frank Gore; Kamerion Wimbley looks like he held Davis on the PI call.
Alex Smith under center, Frank Gore deep in the single back, 12 personnel, two TEs, two wideouts. Raiders look to be lined up in the big Nickel, five man front, Wimbley shadowing TEs outside shoulder up on the line. Niners open up a big gap on the left side of center, and Gore hits it hard, gaining about 4 yards, and Lamarr Houston pulls him down back to about the line of scrimmage from behind; forward progress for a gain of 4 yards, but it's a false start, bringing up 2nd down and 11.
SF comes out in 11 personnel, single back, one TE, three widout set, third wideout left side slot. Branch comes on the strong side safety blitz, it's again picked up nicely, but Smith makes a hurried throw that falls to the ground, short of Walker, who lined up right side flank matched up with Stanford Routt, who looks like he has a chance for a pick on the deflection, but is keying on Walker and appears to not see the ball.
SF in single back 11 personnel, three wideout set again, Gore lined up weakside in the backfield. Routt is on Josh Morgan flanked strong side. Alex Smith shotgun formation: a good push by our D line collapses the line, and we send Michael Huff who is again picked up nicely; they hold up a nice pocket for Smith to hitch up into, and hits TE Davis covered by Jerome Boyd (in for I believe Groves, who often comes out on passing situations) who bites on Davis route deep, and Davis cuts out to the flat for a first down. Defense looking a little winded here.
1st and 10. 42 yard line, SF in 21 personnel again, Frank Gore deep in the I formation, two wide receiver set. We're back in what looks like a 4-2-5, with Boyd still on the field as a nickel cover safety, Wimbley with his hand on the ground, again rushing the qb. Looks like this was a bad call with us looking for pass, and the weakside backer not there and the niners O line winning the point of attack on the left side nets a 1st down for the Gore run off the weakside edge, and three more yards before being tackled and pushed out of bounds by DVD. Good blocking on the toss sweep left.
1st and on the 46 yard line in Raiders territory. 22 personnel, Alex Smith under center, Frank Gore deep in the I formation, two TE, single wide receiver right side.The give to Gore in the A gap left, and our interior defensive line holds for a gain of three.
2nd and 7. SF in 12 personnel, single back formation, two wide receivers, and Delaney Walker motions to right side C gap, about a yard deep in the backfield. Raiders back in the 4-3, Groves back on the field, Wimbley looks like he's matched up with Walker pre-snap, on the weakside, but stays there after the shift, Groves lined up strong side. Tedd Ginn, Jr., flanking weakside, goes down and in underneath coverage with separation for days, and Smith hits him on what looks like a first down, but a questionable spot brings up 3rd and short. Branch on the tackle.
3rd and 1 on the 36. 22 personnel, Gore deep in the I. The give is to Gore off tackle right. Our line wins the point of attack here, and Gore runs into a pile, but stalled just enough to find a soft spot in the line to push the pile forward for the first down.
1st and 10 on the 35. Single back, 11 personnel, three wide receiver set, right side slot WR Braylon Edwards motions left to shadow weakside TE's outside shoulder, and finds some space under the coverage, going down and in, almost coming up with the grab, but can't hold on. Branch picked him up, but a little late. It falls incomplete. Ball thrown a little high, but should've been caught. Tyvon did a nice job of getting his hands on the ball to force the incomplete. A timeout is called by SF.
2nd and 10, 35 yd. line. Anthony Dixon off tackle right side. Kamerion Wimbley fails to seal off the right side at the point of attack, Boyd again on the field in place of Groves, and it looks like we got caught looking for pass again, allowing a 1st down gain to the Raiders' 23. SF mounting a long drive that began from their own 23.
1st and 10, 23. Groves back on the field. 4-3 man press for the Raiders. Gore lined up deep, single back, two TEs, two wideouts lined up tight. A toss sweep to the left again, this time picked up nicely, and Tyvon comes up, sheds a block nicely, and holds Gore to a yard. Papa notes Mitchell will not see any action tonight, and that Stevie Brown will get the reps in the Raider's big Nickel.
2nd and 9 on 22. Our front four getting a good push at the point of attack, but Niners front five holding a nice pocket consistently despite the pressure, and Alex Smith hits Braylon Edwards on the comeback underneath the coverage by DVD, and he and Huff converge for the tackle on the 9 yard line. DVD gave him too much space, and Plunk notes it.
1st and goal, 9 yard line. SF in two back, two TE set. Delaney Walker motions to left side, Anthony Dixon deep, FB lined up strong offset I formation. Seymour gets great pressure, but the run is away from him, and Dixon picks up a couple off right tackle. Groves makes the tackle for a gain of two.
2nd and goal, 7 yard line. Gore back in. 22 personnel, two backs in the I formation, Smith under center, single wide receiver left side, Delaney Walker about a yard deep on the strong side, and goes in motion right to left. The handoff to Gore up a big hole up the middle, picks up about 5 down to the 2 yard line.
3rd and goal on the 2. Dixon back in at back. 22 personnel again, goal line jumbo formation, single wide left side again. Handoff to Dixon left side, with Shaughnessy getting in unblocked, wraps up Dixon, and he, Huff, and Branch converge for a tackle for a 1 yard loss. Nice goal line stand to force the field goal attempt.
4th and goal on the 3. Placekicker bobbles the hold, and Andy Lee is hurt on the play, attempting to roll right and make a throw, getting levelled by Stevie Brown, forcing an errant throw that McClain comes up to intercept.
All in all, this was by no means a pretty series for our defense, but you have to say we bended, but did not break. We'll resume with the Raiders first team defense versus the Niners first team offense.
Initial observations here: our scheme puts us in jeopardy when we're caught with the wrong personnel on the field looking for pass; it appears the Niners took advantage and ran every time we go big Nickel, and Boyd is on the field in place of our third backer. Also, the Niners trenches bullied our trenches for most of this drive. We did not play like Raiders in the trenches for the majority of this drive, and how to fix it, remains in question. I still say we need to get a Will backer who doesn't need to be pulled, especially when Wimbley primarily rushes the passer and is never dropping into coverage to assist, and if we're looking pass, he'll effectively be taken out of run support when we don't properly read and react. I also feel with more time to gel, McClain will call out adjustments pre-snap as the season progresses.
We need OLB help, and fast.
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sign Kirk Morrison as Sons of Blanda has mentioned; cut Wlater McFadden (addition by subtraction)
Every man for himself...
I'm with you on both counts
I wonder why we’ve waited so long to get lb help. Plunk or Papa said something idiotic yesterday in regards to the second level of the D along these lines: “they’re trying to keep it simple at the second level, with McClain at middle linebacker and Goethel backing him up, Groves and Wimbley as Will and Sam backers, with … get this… some other guys to back them up.”
Really? WTF is that shit? sign some real lbs already.
"tough times call for perseverance and a tough mind. I have been told that I can't play football before. We all know what happened with that. #neverquit"--Mark Herzlich
""The massive Raider Nation is beyond doubt the sleaziest and rudest and most sinister mob of thugs and wackos ever assembled."--Hunter S. Thompson
I've lost respect for Greg Papa after listening to his blandishments and superficiality. He also gives credit for tackles to
the jersey he sees first on the pile while the hero at the bottom goes unsung.
S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
"I made a trade for Seymour. ..I thought it was a great trade. Still do. [Al Davis 1/2011]
"I love to win, even against my daughters, I want to win" Hue "Action" Jackson 8/19/11
by Sons-of-Blanda on Aug 21, 2011 12:55 PM PDT up reply actions
Anybody home?
"tough times call for perseverance and a tough mind. I have been told that I can't play football before. We all know what happened with that. #neverquit"--Mark Herzlich
""The massive Raider Nation is beyond doubt the sleaziest and rudest and most sinister mob of thugs and wackos ever assembled."--Hunter S. Thompson
There is definitely a hangover from last night for this site today! lol the least amount of activity seen in awhile
"We want to win. The Raider fans deserve it. The Raider players deserve it, even my organization deserves it. You have to win and you have to win with a vision for the Super Bowl. That's our passion here."--Al Davis
"Winning isn't everything, but wanting to win is."--Vince Lombardi
by Marcus Allen Krause on Aug 21, 2011 2:37 PM PDT up reply actions
did a massive workout this morning to counter theat hangover
but it was ineffective.
by Spirals galore on Aug 21, 2011 2:41 PM PDT up reply actions
yesterday was a horrible day for the game
the shootings and carrying on of folks during the game is deplorable. Not at all good for prospects of new stadiums for either/or both of our teams.
"tough times call for perseverance and a tough mind. I have been told that I can't play football before. We all know what happened with that. #neverquit"--Mark Herzlich
""The massive Raider Nation is beyond doubt the sleaziest and rudest and most sinister mob of thugs and wackos ever assembled."--Hunter S. Thompson
non persuasive enough for me
S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
"I made a trade for Seymour. ..I thought it was a great trade. Still do. [Al Davis 1/2011]
"I love to win, even against my daughters, I want to win" Hue "Action" Jackson 8/19/11
by Sons-of-Blanda on Aug 21, 2011 2:55 PM PDT up reply actions
I recognized the bald guy in the fight, same man who attacked a Raider fan at the O last year from behind - put a boot
between his shoulder blades throwing him two row forward onto a little girl whose lip was cut. This was hooliganism, some people have an agenda at games that has nothing to do with football..
S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
"I made a trade for Seymour. ..I thought it was a great trade. Still do. [Al Davis 1/2011]
"I love to win, even against my daughters, I want to win" Hue "Action" Jackson 8/19/11
by Sons-of-Blanda on Aug 21, 2011 2:47 PM PDT up reply actions
wow seriously? that is horrible. Some people are just straight disgusting and cowardly
"We want to win. The Raider fans deserve it. The Raider players deserve it, even my organization deserves it. You have to win and you have to win with a vision for the Super Bowl. That's our passion here."--Al Davis
"Winning isn't everything, but wanting to win is."--Vince Lombardi
by Marcus Allen Krause on Aug 21, 2011 2:48 PM PDT up reply actions
May karma exact swift and throrough vengeance on him...
I hope at the very least, he was recognized by some officials that will work to keep his kind from blemishing this great sport further.
"tough times call for perseverance and a tough mind. I have been told that I can't play football before. We all know what happened with that. #neverquit"--Mark Herzlich
""The massive Raider Nation is beyond doubt the sleaziest and rudest and most sinister mob of thugs and wackos ever assembled."--Hunter S. Thompson
I'm hoping for just that. The police must keep a record of who is ejected... or they should.
S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
"I made a trade for Seymour. ..I thought it was a great trade. Still do. [Al Davis 1/2011]
"I love to win, even against my daughters, I want to win" Hue "Action" Jackson 8/19/11
by Sons-of-Blanda on Aug 21, 2011 2:56 PM PDT up reply actions
The thing about that fight that I hear that was most disturbing was that there was no security in sight
And it only stopped when the guys got tired and went their separate ways.
Unbelievable after the Stow incident that that could happen
"Anytime you have an organization and an owner that wants to win as badly as Al Davis wants to win, and will spend the money to win, I don’t think you have as many barriers as you think. Those are easy. The ones that would be tough is where you didn’t have any good players and you had an owner or an organization that didn’t want to spend any money to get good players." - John Madden, 2008
"We’re going to be a tough, rugged football team that walks with a swagger and plays the way the Raiders used to play." Hue Jackson
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San Francisco considers "tolerance" its greatest virtue. Tolerance = coexistence with vice
I much prefer our side of the Bay. Though it is a bit on the fascist side, it curbs the lower element and protects the common good.
S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
"I made a trade for Seymour. ..I thought it was a great trade. Still do. [Al Davis 1/2011]
"I love to win, even against my daughters, I want to win" Hue "Action" Jackson 8/19/11
by Sons-of-Blanda on Aug 21, 2011 4:10 PM PDT up reply actions
This will never happen at the Coliseum.
OK, maybe it will happen now and then. But the Oakland police is on your ass. Remember that time Saint got arrested for nothing?
I am glad we didn’t go, though, since I tend to get lost during games. And I feel pretty safe at the Coliseum, not at the candlestick.
by Spirals galore on Aug 21, 2011 4:10 PM PDT up reply actions
i absolutely agree. The loss is far from the worst of the evening last night. Atleast you got out there and tried to treat the hangover Spirals!
"We want to win. The Raider fans deserve it. The Raider players deserve it, even my organization deserves it. You have to win and you have to win with a vision for the Super Bowl. That's our passion here."--Al Davis
"Winning isn't everything, but wanting to win is."--Vince Lombardi
by Marcus Allen Krause on Aug 21, 2011 2:47 PM PDT up reply actions
Kids sometimes have more wisdom than we realize
Tweeted by Vittoro
4-year-old asked me if Raiders won. I said no. She said “Maybe they were just practicing”
"Anytime you have an organization and an owner that wants to win as badly as Al Davis wants to win, and will spend the money to win, I don’t think you have as many barriers as you think. Those are easy. The ones that would be tough is where you didn’t have any good players and you had an owner or an organization that didn’t want to spend any money to get good players." - John Madden, 2008
"We’re going to be a tough, rugged football team that walks with a swagger and plays the way the Raiders used to play." Hue Jackson
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by Ozraider on Aug 21, 2011 3:45 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
+1
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
love it!
Girls are smarter than boys!
by Spirals galore on Aug 21, 2011 4:11 PM PDT up reply actions
Agreed. What mystifies me is their decline after puberty
S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
"I made a trade for Seymour. ..I thought it was a great trade. Still do. [Al Davis 1/2011]
"I love to win, even against my daughters, I want to win" Hue "Action" Jackson 8/19/11
by Sons-of-Blanda on Aug 21, 2011 4:15 PM PDT up reply actions
Baaahahahaha
Well played sir
"Anytime you have an organization and an owner that wants to win as badly as Al Davis wants to win, and will spend the money to win, I don’t think you have as many barriers as you think. Those are easy. The ones that would be tough is where you didn’t have any good players and you had an owner or an organization that didn’t want to spend any money to get good players." - John Madden, 2008
"We’re going to be a tough, rugged football team that walks with a swagger and plays the way the Raiders used to play." Hue Jackson
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The most amazing thing about women....
They outnumber men on the planet but can’t play well enough with each other to rule the world LOL.
you'd be better than Groves!
"tough times call for perseverance and a tough mind. I have been told that I can't play football before. We all know what happened with that. #neverquit"--Mark Herzlich
""The massive Raider Nation is beyond doubt the sleaziest and rudest and most sinister mob of thugs and wackos ever assembled."--Hunter S. Thompson
you would bring instinct to the table!
Groves, not so much.
"tough times call for perseverance and a tough mind. I have been told that I can't play football before. We all know what happened with that. #neverquit"--Mark Herzlich
""The massive Raider Nation is beyond doubt the sleaziest and rudest and most sinister mob of thugs and wackos ever assembled."--Hunter S. Thompson
Practice and Play should be seamless since one will play how one practices.
Would the child consider her father also practicing being a father? Or is he always a father all of the time?
S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
"I made a trade for Seymour. ..I thought it was a great trade. Still do. [Al Davis 1/2011]
"I love to win, even against my daughters, I want to win" Hue "Action" Jackson 8/19/11
by Sons-of-Blanda on Aug 21, 2011 4:13 PM PDT up reply actions
different.
Practicing is going through the motions, not going all out.
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
Maybe that's how it's seen elsewhere but according to our HC our players are expected to give 100% at practice
S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
"I made a trade for Seymour. ..I thought it was a great trade. Still do. [Al Davis 1/2011]
"I love to win, even against my daughters, I want to win" Hue "Action" Jackson 8/19/11
by Sons-of-Blanda on Aug 21, 2011 4:34 PM PDT up reply actions
of course.
But I don’t see any complex routes for WRs, complex defensive assignments and blitzes (a blitz in a 4-3 does not count a single LB going after the QB). Also
you need to understand Hue is trying out players in different situations. A player may do good in one situation but bad in another (while giving their 100%). Its called evaluating. And it would take more than a couple preseason games for most players, especially new players in our system, to get good.
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
That's why I chose as examples two players who are not new to our system
S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
"I made a trade for Seymour. ..I thought it was a great trade. Still do. [Al Davis 1/2011]
"I love to win, even against my daughters, I want to win" Hue "Action" Jackson 8/19/11
by Sons-of-Blanda on Aug 21, 2011 4:41 PM PDT up reply actions
Who JC? (dont know the other guy)
it takes more than a couple preseason games to get up to speed you know. Brady played bad in a preseason game last year against the rams i believe. Or maybe it was a game two years ago…
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
No, not Campbell. But for his hesitation, he played well
S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
"I made a trade for Seymour. ..I thought it was a great trade. Still do. [Al Davis 1/2011]
"I love to win, even against my daughters, I want to win" Hue "Action" Jackson 8/19/11
by Sons-of-Blanda on Aug 21, 2011 4:49 PM PDT up reply actions
okay well even players who are not new to our system
they can still improve or regress. We dont know which until we evaluate them.
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
and it takes more than two, and maybe even 4, preseason games
to fully evaluate someone.
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
For some it might take four games, but for others (with an experienced eye, or even a talent for appraisal)
it takes only one or, at most, two games.
S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
"I made a trade for Seymour. ..I thought it was a great trade. Still do. [Al Davis 1/2011]
"I love to win, even against my daughters, I want to win" Hue "Action" Jackson 8/19/11
by Sons-of-Blanda on Aug 21, 2011 5:02 PM PDT up reply actions
uh.. no it doesn't.
it takes much more than that. If a player has one bad game, and thats the game where your “experienced eye” is evaluating the player, but has 3 really good games, than is that player really bad?
That is not very good logic. Players improve, and regress each year, each week, and MAYBE each game. A single game does not determine anyone. It takes more than a year to fully see what a player can do. Murphy is a good example. First year he was great, and everyone was very excited for him. Second year he was meh. So now we dont know about how murphy will do. You sure it can take a single game to see what a player can do? Kurt Warner disagrees with you, as well as Curtis Martin.
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
Not at all. Warner had a terrific arm and release the talent was there even though his passes
at first, went awry. The comparison fails because 1) in Barnes case, he cannot block and that is what a lineman must do, and 2) Murphy has always put out maximum effort, never have I seen him dogging it or quitting before the whistle, and 3) Groves does not have either Warner’s or Murphy’s natural ability for their respective positions, Groves takes horrible angles, loses track of the ball, is late and inefficient, equates expenditure of energy with effectiveness and is generally miscast in his position, which (if anything) is a DE, whereas there’s no mistaking that Warner is a QB and Murphy is a WR.
S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
"I made a trade for Seymour. ..I thought it was a great trade. Still do. [Al Davis 1/2011]
"I love to win, even against my daughters, I want to win" Hue "Action" Jackson 8/19/11
by Sons-of-Blanda on Aug 21, 2011 5:20 PM PDT up reply actions
You are missing my point greatly.
people improve, or regress. Thats up to the player. Some players only stay the same.
IN regards to barnes, look at my other post.
As for murphy, im saying that he regressed last year. He dropped passes, and didnt get open as well.
You cannot eval a player after one game.
it takes much more than that. If a player has one bad game, and thats the game where your "experienced eye" is evaluating the player, but has 3 really good games, than is that player really bad?
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
Think of Ron Wolf, he knew by watching tape who would produce and who wouldn't
Surely you’re not saying that every player must be given four or more games, regardless of how how horrendous their performance, in order to get a true read? No, I do not agree to this.
S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
"I made a trade for Seymour. ..I thought it was a great trade. Still do. [Al Davis 1/2011]
"I love to win, even against my daughters, I want to win" Hue "Action" Jackson 8/19/11
by Sons-of-Blanda on Aug 21, 2011 5:30 PM PDT up reply actions
again, look to my example
If a player has one bad game, and thats the game where your “experienced eye” is evaluating the player, but has 3 really good games, than is that player really bad?
I dont care who it is. it does not take a single game.
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
Yes, restated like that, I am forced to agree. One game is not enough
S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
"I made a trade for Seymour. ..I thought it was a great trade. Still do. [Al Davis 1/2011]
"I love to win, even against my daughters, I want to win" Hue "Action" Jackson 8/19/11
by Sons-of-Blanda on Aug 21, 2011 5:37 PM PDT up reply actions
The thing to remember as well though as said on another post
A lot of preseason is about putting guys in certain situations to see how they manage this is a big part of evaluating talant because we need to see in a game environment what guys do and don’t do well.
"Anytime you have an organization and an owner that wants to win as badly as Al Davis wants to win, and will spend the money to win, I don’t think you have as many barriers as you think. Those are easy. The ones that would be tough is where you didn’t have any good players and you had an owner or an organization that didn’t want to spend any money to get good players." - John Madden, 2008
"We’re going to be a tough, rugged football team that walks with a swagger and plays the way the Raiders used to play." Hue Jackson
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as said on another post
I bought a lighter today, Hued in silver and black but with a red spot to motivate me to greatness.
by Spirals galore on Aug 21, 2011 4:24 PM PDT up reply actions
that's hilarious
a good light-hearted story that lessens the blow that was yesterday on so many levels.
"tough times call for perseverance and a tough mind. I have been told that I can't play football before. We all know what happened with that. #neverquit"--Mark Herzlich
""The massive Raider Nation is beyond doubt the sleaziest and rudest and most sinister mob of thugs and wackos ever assembled."--Hunter S. Thompson
In this situation normally Mitchell would be in?
SF in single back 11 personnel, three wideout set again, Gore lined up weakside in the backfield. Routt is on Josh Morgan flanked strong side. Alex Smith shotgun formation: a good push by our D line collapses the line, and we send Michael Huff who is again picked up nicely; they hold up a nice pocket for Smith to hitch up into, and hits TE Davis covered by Jerome Boyd (in for I believe Groves, who often comes out on passing situations) who bites on Davis route deep, and Davis cuts out to the flat for a first down. Defense looking a little winded here.
Mike has proved he could handle covering TE last year if he’s healthy I think this play is different
2nd and 10, 35 yd. line. Anthony Dixon off tackle right side. Kamerion Wimbley fails to seal off the right side at the point of attack, Boyd again on the field in place of Groves, and it looks like we got caught looking for pass again, allowing a 1st down gain to the Raiders’ 23. SF mounting a long drive that began from their own 23.
Again if Mitchell’s in he probably helps out again
TEs were our worst nightmares last year compared to the other receoving options.
I dont think Mike is very good at covering TEs. Maybe he is decent.
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
I wouldnt doubt it. I just cant remember any of them. lol
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
No doubt Mitchell would be Johnny on the spot as the add'l cover safety
and would be ten times better in run support as well. Boyd lacks the instincts, but it was a team effort, and they all had a part in his failure when he was on the field.
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The deffense is also kind going through a transition new DC
New playbook Chuck needs to see what he has and all the injuries have made personnel options limited. I still think there will be a change next week is the week to worry.
D-line is beastly Trevor Scotti’s absence thins us a little bit on the edge that should resolve itself shortly.I have also read rumblings that he could be moved to OLB at times we shall see.
There needs to be an answer for Groves that’s the hole it’s a big weakness. Boyd is not making the transition from LB to S he doesn’t seem to be able to play either position. The 2nd year CB’s are the biggest disappointment on the team in my opinion they seemed to have regressed maybe the lockout is too blame here.
Take it for what it is but Ezra Ruiz is reporting on Twitter
That we are discussing a potential trade for a big name player.
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Not as yet
"Anytime you have an organization and an owner that wants to win as badly as Al Davis wants to win, and will spend the money to win, I don’t think you have as many barriers as you think. Those are easy. The ones that would be tough is where you didn’t have any good players and you had an owner or an organization that didn’t want to spend any money to get good players." - John Madden, 2008
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seymour type trade maybe?
if we trade a 1st it shouldnt be from next year, i hope its for a LB.
by RyanTheRaider on Aug 21, 2011 5:01 PM PDT up reply actions
We could have had Casey Matthews in the 4th round and passed for a guy with a bum shoulder. Why he wasn't taken supports this post's theme.
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by Sons-of-Blanda on Aug 21, 2011 5:04 PM PDT up reply actions
Perhaps, but Philadelphia considers him good enough to start at LB.
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by Sons-of-Blanda on Aug 21, 2011 5:22 PM PDT up reply actions
I wanted Casey as well but the Philly LBs aren't good from what I heard
And I am hearing that Matthews had not been good at all so far in preseason especially against the steelers
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by Ozraider on Aug 21, 2011 5:24 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
McClain himself struggled out of college and was picked in the 1st round and not the 4th like Matthews
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by Sons-of-Blanda on Aug 21, 2011 5:31 PM PDT up reply actions
Seriusly I watched him for 4 years
He was about a 4th-5th round grade some had him at 3 but he fell to the 4th. We drafted CB’s for a reason because they knew Nam being gone … The guy I loved was a DE Kenny Rowe thought he could be a MLB maybe was hoping for him as a UDFA. Brandon Bair got the pub because of his size but Rowe was the play maker.
Kenny Rowe would have been a good choice too
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b0iXmU74B_U
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by Sons-of-Blanda on Aug 21, 2011 5:42 PM PDT up reply actions
Taylor Mays? Hahaha!
Vast boars and huge gigantic bull
Elephants, rams, eagles, condors...
- J Kerouac
by Raymond St. Martin (Saint) on Aug 21, 2011 5:03 PM PDT up reply actions
Asante Samuel im guessing
Clippers own staples center!!!
by ClipperBEAST on Aug 21, 2011 5:04 PM PDT up reply actions
It also might not
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by Ozraider on Aug 21, 2011 5:25 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
I would be happy to see Asante in silver and black
I wouldn’t be surprised if it ended up being someone we haven’t even considered.
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by Ozraider on Aug 21, 2011 6:03 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
take it from a pats fan
he is more of a zone guy. He’ll get INTs, but at the cost of many other completions. And he doesnt tackle well.
If we bring him in somehow, than I hope Rod will fix him right up. But I dont know if that would be the case.
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You have seen more of him than I
So I take your word for it
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no no no no
no no no no
I just flashed back to larry brown and threw up my vodka dinner
by lchristmas on Aug 21, 2011 10:17 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Asante is a terrible CB when asked to man up. He's a pure Zone corner and can pick off Out-Routes with the best of them, but can do little else.
Trust me on this one. The last thing you want is Samuel as our corner.
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by Raider Zealot on Aug 22, 2011 4:17 AM PDT up reply actions
Cork tweeted that Terrelles Pryor graded out very well for the raiders in every category
Except playing QB!
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by Ozraider on Aug 21, 2011 5:47 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
Panty wants him to play qb though
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by Ozraider on Aug 21, 2011 5:56 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
A Hoe a Hoe and do anything. Panty got Charmain in door and Charmain gonna drop dat sugar daddy now
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by Sons-of-Blanda on Aug 21, 2011 6:06 PM PDT up reply actions
Bwahhahahahahahahaha
roflmao! I’d take him with a fifth, and make him Ron Curry 2.0.
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I could roll with that
He is definitely a great athlete could be used in wildcat as well as receiver thats if he can actually catch.
I still think someone will give him a shot at QB
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by Ozraider on Aug 21, 2011 6:06 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
5th would be about right
Ronald Curry 2.0 I hope that does mean even more injuries. Curry was very gifted just had too many awful injuries sad,
Heres a thought
I saw some speed and promise with Jarvis last night.
With our obvious weakness at LB we should try to convert him..
Or at least try it out.
Might as well try it, its not like he’ll be a starting Dlinemen.
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i dont know if he has the size.... maybe in passing situations.
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He is
6’7 260 pounds.
Has decent speed to.
And hell, its a vast improvement from groves xD
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I'm in favor of that
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by Sons-of-Blanda on Aug 21, 2011 7:56 PM PDT up reply actions
I think there is a place on the lb corps for Jarvis Moss
where that is, I don’t know now, but at best, I’d say it’s depth. On another note, he’d definitely be no worse than Groves, so absolutely worth throwing him into the mix, but we need a marquis type guy, who would transform the entire complexion, and elevate the level of play of all the guys.
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I guess i cant see why not.
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
DVD get's Micheal Irvin'd on this play vetran reciver move...
2nd and 9 on 22. Our front four getting a good push at the point of attack, but Niners front five holding a nice pocket consistently despite the pressure, and Alex Smith hits Braylon Edwards on the comeback underneath the coverage by DVD, and he and Huff converge for the tackle on the 9 yard line. DVD gave him too much space, and Plunk notes it.
He's been placed
against 2 incredible WR’s in the league.
And has played decently.
He’s only given up two big plays, so that’s a good sign for me.
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Oh. I'm not mad at DVD, and right now is where I'd prefer that happen
that he’s been on the best in the league is no accident: coach wanted to see what he could do, and how short his memory is.
This kids gonna be a huge, huge addition to this team, and help us forget about Nnamdi, real quick.
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Just watching it now
McFadden doesn’t have a clue the ball is in the air looks like he doesn’t have great hips he looks bad so far.
Boyd tried to jam VD and got ate up on that early play he’s not going to win that battle. Boyd gets lost in space after contact. he did mak a good tackle on the TE after a first down.. LOL sucks he does.
Grove really closed on Morgan and broke up a pass play.
Stevie Brown doesn’t look like the Stevie Brown of last year.
Jason Campbell looks to indecisive and never looks off any one he locks on early prolly why he can sell the play action so well. Had Bush in the flat when he threw to Moore in the back of the end zone who was double covered and DHB was held on his route. Jason doesn’t have a great feel in my opinion he has to think too much. Steve Young said “almost nobody is open in the end zone you just have to make plays and trust those guys.”
astute observations on Brown, but he could be in situations out of his element
game two does that at times, which is why I believe lots of folks are overreacting. You want to truly evaluate guys, you have to put them in situations they are not comfortable in, and see how they react in real game time. Add in, there are thirty plus guys for which you have to do this, and some of the other guys we want to evaluate are nursing injuries, you see what we saw yesterday.
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I'm trying to decide who is worse
Carslyle or Loper they are holding on every play it seems and Barnes is getting worked over. Noticed that Barksdale played early most of the first Quarter? Prolly why Hue ran it really simple plays?
Definitely Loper
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right you are, but Loper has certain things Carlisle doesn't
Carlisle is just outhearting other guys at the moment.
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Campbell isn't playing bad at all
Barksdale looses contact with his man and gets a lil high he may be tired and may need to get into better shape. Campbell plays with a purpose I like that.
I have high hopes for Brucie
I think he has the real passion to play like lots of these young kids we’re filling the roster up with.
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We wins far more battles then he looses
He doesn’t loose contact with his man and he moves his feet pretty well…
and has some nasty
damn, we need that on this line.
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I loved Bruces game
I wouldn’t be surprised to see Wiz starting at LG and Bruce at RG before too long
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I agree
Overall I have been pretty impressed with DVD he is going to get beat here and there but he is actually stronger than he looks just a bit too lite. He will play his part this season and look out when he puts on some weight.
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by Ozraider on Aug 21, 2011 9:29 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
a great player for years to come
I want to see what Chekwa can do for us when he’s gotten some reps under his belt as well. I still feel great about this year’s crop.
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DVDs looking like a really good pick
drafting speed has been paying off lately lol
by RyanTheRaider on Aug 21, 2011 9:47 PM PDT up reply actions
Chekwa had that bad play in the last quarter by I thought aside that he locked down as did s'mores
Albeit against second and third team receieves but reasonably impressive nonetheless
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he needs to gain like
10lbs of muscle
by RyanTheRaider on Aug 21, 2011 10:02 PM PDT up reply actions
me too, but I love that he's not afraid to matchup w big men
and mostly rises to the challenge. he’ll naturally gain some weight, I’m sure.
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Dixon's 53 yarder? who was it?
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Niner lineman nearly had a Raiders Helmet off
He was in the Pez Dispenser position the Niners OL hands where so high. It is preseason for the Refs too. The Niners got away with a lot actually. I did the the Raiders get away with a few too.

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