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Not Enough Raiders in ESPN's Top 200

There are only three Raiders in ESPN's recently released Top 200 players rankings (it's an Insider piece). That a little light. I also think there are a couple of players on the verge of crashing this list. The three that made it are Richard Seymour, Darren McFadden and Michael Huff. I don't think I'd have put Huff on this list and I certainly wouldn't have put him ahead of Tommy Kelly or Stanford Routt.

Kelly is the biggest absence on this list. Kelly is coming off of a solid year. Solid enough that the Raiders own players voted him their defensive MVP. Routt should also be near the bottom of this list. He is a legit No. 1 corner, and just as a point of comparison, Marcus Trufant checks in on the bottom of this list, and there is no way I am swapping Routt for Trufant.

As for players that are close, I am throwing in Lamarr Houston and Matt Shaughnessy. Then not quite as close, but with the potential to get there I would list Jacoby Ford and Rolando McClain. Jump over for where the three Raiders placed ESPN's analysis and thoughts....

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No. 41 Richard Seymour

Seymour has been a top-level defensive lineman for 10 years. He lines up at both defensive tackle and defensive end, making it difficult for offenses to game plan around him. He has prototypical dimensions for the position, and although he has lost a step over the years, he still can dominate the line of scrimmage with his combination of speed, athleticism and strength.

Can't argue with 41 for Seymour. His leadership makes him more valuable here, but a solid ranking.

No. 101 Darren McFadden

McFadden has all the measurables you'd want in a ball carrier: initial quickness, excellent acceleration through the hole and enough elusiveness to be effective in the open field.

McFadden is easily a top 100 player. As a back, he can do it all, and his big play ability should boost his standing. He was just one spot ahead of Pittsburgh's Rashard Mendenhall. Mendenhall is a fine back, but he is not in McFadden's league. If DMC stays healthy this year, he will prove to be at least a top 50 player.

No. 183 Michael Huff

Huff has struggled to live up to expectations. He is trusting his instincts, making quicker decisions, and letting his speed and athleticism take over.

I'm not buying Huff as a top 200 player. I hope he proves me wrong this season.

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I think Lamaar Houston will have a Pro Bowl type performance this year

Huff is ok (has lots of room for improvement, his potential corner skills could be very usefull to us this season), if Kelley & Routt perform as well as they did last season or better then much respect is due.

"Just Win Baby..." - Coach Al Davis

by Al Davis *Commitment to Excellence* on Aug 24, 2011 7:30 AM PDT reply actions  

No Love

ESPN and NFL Network will never respect the Raiders until they start winning. The only reason the Raiders have been on either network’s radar is drafting Pryor. If you watch, they report on the same teams over and over and the elite players and mostly east coast teams.

by Mallard Davis on Aug 24, 2011 8:54 AM PDT reply actions  

The media doesn't respect any team until they start winning

How many Lions players were highly regarded until a few years ago? None until they got Calvin Johnson.

It isn’t just the Raiders, people. With success comes respect.

These are my principles. If you don't like them, I have others. -Groucho Marx

by RDreamer on Aug 24, 2011 2:03 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Exactly. From 2003-2010 we had done nothing to disprove all of the stereotypes and bad press.

It’s gonna take a while to get the stench of 8 years of sewage off of us, and make people in the mainstream sports media respect our team.

"Lil' Dam, I make psychic bitches Get Low"

by Raider Zealot on Aug 24, 2011 5:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

d mac is elite

wait n see

Bo knows the Chiefs can suck it...

by jypsypimp on Aug 24, 2011 2:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

i dont think its carrying a team more than it is getting big production.

I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP

by Jack'sAxe on Aug 24, 2011 3:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

he did...

at arkansas… he’s adrian peterson with an injury history….the only thing keeping him out of elite by EVERYONE’S standpoint is staying healthy for a season… which is frankly kind of a coin toss anyways… first full season he has, he’ll go for 1600-2k yards

Bo knows the Chiefs can suck it...

by jypsypimp on Aug 24, 2011 3:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

Where is that written?

Was Nnamdi considered elite? By many he would be considered so, but with Oakland’s record during his tenure, NOBODY carried that team.

The cowards never started, the weak died along the way....

by BlackHeartSilverEyes on Aug 27, 2011 9:28 AM PDT up reply actions  

old news!! you shouldve posted this months ago! lol

"We want to win. The Raider fans deserve it. The Raider players deserve it, even my organization deserves it. You have to win and you have to win with a vision for the Super Bowl. That's our passion here."--Al Davis

"Winning isn't everything, but wanting to win is."--Vince Lombardi

by Marcus Allen Krause on Aug 24, 2011 10:14 AM PDT via mobile reply actions  

It's the same with Sporting News as well ...

but, I’m truly hopeful that the team, players and coaches, uses all the oversight and negativity comprising recent Top 100’s, 200’s and all else as motivation to make the pundits who post or write such obviously biased quibble eat their words. GO RAIDERS!!!

by VJH5404 on Aug 24, 2011 11:58 AM PDT reply actions  

Just read an article by a Jason Cole on Yahoo Sports

who, essentially, believes that because Terrelle Pryor went to the Raiders and Al Davis his career is doomed. In any event, I had to send him a comment:

Please, I can’t see the personal connection, but where does your hatred for the Raiders and Al Davis come from? Are you simply one of those negative bandwagon jumpers, like many others who have relished the adverse consequences of several personnel selections that just didn’t pan out the way some had hoped for the Raiders and, for the most part, led them down the recent path of mediocrity? I get the distinct impression that you believe T Pryor would be successful anywhere but with the Raiders, and that is totally disingenuous and ignores the positive coaching changes in Oakland and the truly impressive credentials those new individuals bring to the table. The Raiders, thanks to Al Davis’ decision making, have come together in a very positive way via some excellent personnel moves in both the player and coaching categories. And, by all accounts, AD is very rarely in attendance at practices and drills this season which certainly leads one to believe that he is fairly comfortable with what he has put together … a comfort that really hasn’t been seen since Jon Gruden was coach. In a nutshell, I believe your assessment of the Raiders ability to nurture the highly-gifted physical attributes and talent of Terrelle Pryor are seriously misplaced. Had this been 3-5 years ago your beliefs may have actually held some water, but you too late with all that because this is a team that is changing for the positive, and the positive aspects of that change will translate onto the field for the team as a whole and for the career of TP as an individual player. I’ve been a Raiders fan since 1966. I’ve seen the good and the bad, but I’ve paid enough attention to it all to know that your present assessments do not apply to the team as it is made up today. It’s a serious mistake to think that the Raiders were destined to stay in the land of mediocrity forever, despite the fact that many haters would certainly enjoy nothing more than just that. Al Davis is far shrewder than many of today’s criticizers may imagine, and he has taken many necessary steps toward placing his team back in the position of being a winner. Terrelle Pryor is just another part in what I and many others believe will be a successful team, and he is a part that will make his presence felt in Oakland and the NFL because of Al Davis’ vision, experience, and willingness to exercise a degree of daring in his draft scheme. Really tired of hearing how this one or that one was drafted only because of his speed. In Pryor’s case, if the pick were just for his speed, how is it that he is such a prolific winner? Certainly, you don’t believe that speed all by itself translates into success? Also really tired of hearing about J Russell and how that was an AD mistake. Russell was projected to be a successful QB in the NFL by many who claim to be knowledgeable about the NFL and football, it wasn’t just AD that was burned here. And, don’t go blaming JR’s troubles on something the Raiders did or didn’t do, the guy was destined to be a bust wherever he went because of one reason only … his very own selfish lack of respect, for the game and himself. Don’t think you’ll be seeing that this time … no way. shape or form. GO RAIDERS!!!

Really tired of all the garbage people will print, based solely on matters of the past, and I hope the coaches and players are too!

by VJH5404 on Aug 24, 2011 12:04 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

Mostly true, but not enough with the LBs. We have not done anything this year except extend Wimbley's agreement.

Getting Ro was a good start, but we don’t have a good starting 2nd Row … to say nothing of depth.

S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
"I made a trade for Seymour. ..I thought it was a great trade. Still do. [Al Davis 1/2011]
"I love to win, even against my daughters, I want to win" Hue "Action" Jackson 8/19/11

by Sons-of-Blanda on Aug 24, 2011 1:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

It's funny Huff is a rare player that seems to get more respect from external sources than from our own fan base

Interesting

"We’re going to be a tough, rugged football team that walks with a swagger and plays the way the Raiders used to play." Hue Jackson

"Just win baby. That’s what Al Davis says and that’s all I want to do. . . . I just want to be the best, and I just want to win." - Terrelle Pryor

by Ozraider on Aug 24, 2011 3:11 PM PDT reply actions  

they look at numbers and stats

and we see the overall picture.

I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP

by Jack'sAxe on Aug 24, 2011 3:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

huff was good last year

correct me if i’m wrong but was that not the first year he carved out a starting role?

Bo knows the Chiefs can suck it...

by jypsypimp on Aug 24, 2011 3:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah ...

he played his butt off last season, showed improvement in tackling and hitting. Hopefully he continues on that track for a few seasons to come. I’m really counting on Woodson to bring the aggressiveness out of our DB’s because, I believe if that happens, Raiders will do surprisingly well with the current bunch. Knowing you can expect physicality from a DB can have a great effect on some receivers, taking up a chunk of thought process during a play. A great deal of this game is psychological, despite the actual physical nature of the play. You overcome perceived disadvantage by making and taking an edge any way you legally may … if that means reminding a receiver that nothing comes free in this life with a good solid, smashing tackle or resounding hit, then so be it. After all, this is football right? Just good old fashion smash mouth execution.

by VJH5404 on Aug 24, 2011 5:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

Huff> Routt

Both inconsistent but Routt more so, Kelly got hosed

‎"There is nothing like a wise phrase or quote to help convince others that your decision makes sense." - Anon

"If you're ever in a fair fight, then your tactics suck." ಠ_ಠ

by dubzfan on Aug 24, 2011 11:13 PM PDT reply actions  

They could have included our perennial pro-bowler, Lechler.

ESPN sucks. They’ll show 55 fucking minutes of Fivehead Manning, Brees, Brady and Phyllis Rivers…the Raiders blow out the donkey-dicks 59-14 and we’re lucky to see 10 points worth of highlight film.
My wife will laugh and tell me not to blink when I watch SportsCenter post games or I’ll miss the Raiders. That’s no shit….easier to go to NFL.com or Raiders.com to see highlight vids.

The cowards never started, the weak died along the way....

by BlackHeartSilverEyes on Aug 27, 2011 9:38 AM PDT reply actions  

When it comes to the Raiders, I expect NOTHING from espn....

They have been haters it seems forever, even when we were winning consistently they looked for reasons not to show our highlights.. I don’t even watch espn unless they are playing a game I want to see, I don’t look at any of their programming…NFL Network is where I get my info and online…We are building a good team now, we are young, fast, and I can see our skill level improving. If we can get our LB play and QB play up to par and our receivers don’t drop passes, we are going to the playoffs….Go Raiders…

by Rodney Sacramento on Aug 28, 2011 10:49 AM PDT reply actions  

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