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Raiders v Saints – Actually Better Than You Think...

Already I am hearing predictions of impending doom amongst Raider fans for the 2011 season after the 40-20 loss at home to the New Orleans Saints, but despite the eventually lopsided score, there are actually far more positives than negatives to take out of this game.

But because I always like to finish on a high note, I’m going to deal with the negatives first.

Before I do that though, I want you to remember who were the Raiders players who were inactive for this game.

Darren McFadden, Jacoby Ford, Kevin Boss, Richard Seymour, John Henderson, Mike Mitchell, and Chris Johnson. All starters (apart from Henderson), who would have made a big difference on both sides of the ball.

So, on to the negatives

·         The pass defense got shredded repeatedly by Drew Brees & Co.  They might have picked on DVD early, but don’t kid yourself that anyone else was any better, because they weren’t. Routt, Branch, and Huff all got abused in one fashion or another. It was bad.

·         The Raiders tried some zone defense, and showed why they don’t run it very often as there was constant miscommunication. That said though, it was mostly with the second team.

·         No pass rush. Very little push from the front four. If the secondary is weak & inexperienced, the line has bring pressure to help out. It didn’t happen.

·         DHB played badly, again. Say what you want about him being a rare physical specimen with a good character and having a ‘good camp’, but he just isn’t a receiver. He can’t catch it short or deep. He’s a bust, plain and simple.

But on the upside...

·         Jason Campbell played well, made generally good reads whilst going 12 of 17 for 150 yards.

·         Derek Hagan underlined his strong camp showing with a great game, and if he doesn’t get a roster spot on this team I would be amazed. Great free agent pickup.

·         Taiwan Jones is the real deal. Blindingly fast, an elusive open field runner, and surprisingly tough to bring down. He may not get that many carries this year, but when he does he is going to do some damage.

·          Rolando McClain looked a step quicker, and good in coverage. He made some good run stops, and you can’t expect him to make every tackle on this team.

·         Michael Bush was a hammer, I wouldn’t like to get in his way.

My biggest positive of all though is around the offensive line. I thought it was the biggest question mark going into this season and they played well as a group last night.

Jared Veldheer looks to have made progress from his rookie year, and Samson Satele looks solid.

Stefan Wisniewski is going to start at left guard, and is clearly better than Daniel Loper. Young Wiz might not physically dominate the opposition, but he uses his hands effectively, understands angles and always seems to seal his guy of from the play. He is also tremendous at getting to the second level and punishing those linebackers.

Whoever graded him as a 4th/5th rounder was way out, this kid is a keeper.

Both Khalif Barnes and Stephon Heyer looked competent at right tackle, which was the main position that Oakland needs to solidify.

In second team duties, Bruce Campbell and Joe Barksdale dominated, showing that this young offensive line is in good hands. Barksdale was particularly impressive, and didn’t seem much troubled in pass protection.

This is going to be a strong running game in Oakland this year.

A last word on DeMarcus Van Dyke. Enen though he got beat a lot last night, his coverage was often tight. Once he learns to get his head turned around and see the ball coming, he is going to be a lot better. Pre season has been invaluable for him, and I do think he has a shot to be a good player for us given a little time.

Needless to say he won’t be starting on week one though.  

Poll
What was the biggest positive from the New Orleans Saints Game?
Taiwan Jones
55 votes
Derek Hagan
57 votes
Michael Bush
0 votes
The offensive line
46 votes

158 votes | Poll has closed

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i like ur post

i think it was well said, DHB is a bust along with walter mc fadden, & trent edwards,
DVD better fix his problems real quick because chris johnson getting old and might miss more games than we all think,
we need to cut the penalties atleast in half, i liked 95% of the play calling, in pre season we should be going for it on 4th down no point in seabass kicking we know what he has.
trent enwards bugs the shit out of me he flat out stinks, cut him period. all in all first team looked o.k. bush is a beast & tiwan jones is a good lookin kid, real potential. rock or bennett need to go.

by 414 RAIDER FREAK on Aug 29, 2011 9:18 AM PDT reply actions  

DHB is a total bust, but Edwards can fill a spot as #3. Boller looked strong

and communicated with Hagan well.

The cowards never started, the weak died along the way....

by BlackHeartSilverEyes on Aug 29, 2011 11:21 AM PDT up reply actions  

O-Line

I hate to say it, but Satele looked pretty good going up against Shaun Rogers, and that dude is a monster of a man.

"You can't Appoint, Hire, or Declare Leadership" ~ Sonny Barger

by the red guy on Aug 29, 2011 11:06 AM PDT reply actions  

Good points on your post. Agree with what you saw.

I expect DVD to improve, but he also looked like he had difficulty tackling and could put on 10 or 15 pounds to help that. He’s got to improve or it is going to get scary if either CJ or Routt get hurt. I was tempted in choosing TJ on your pool, but getting down to earth I had to choose the 0-line. They gave JC unexpected protection and helped TJ in getting his yards. After all the remarkable changes and hard work that has gone into the o-line, you have to note that it appears to be functioning as planned, at least in this game, amid how green the line is.

by RaiderPsycho on Aug 29, 2011 1:58 PM PDT reply actions  

Hagan looked fantastic, but I think TJ is more important.

During the regular season, if Hagan were to get hurt he is easier to replace than if McFadden got hurt. With TJ, we can probably continue with the same game plan.

by RaiderPsycho on Aug 29, 2011 2:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

Right there, DVD needs to put on a little muscle to play full time in the NFL. I like this kid though.

"I like to think my best hits border on felonius assault" - Jack Tatum

by Linebacker41 on Aug 29, 2011 3:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think Routt looked good.

He did get beat a few times, but those were in zone defenses where he didnt read his man right. But Routt made a few knock downs, and overall defended his man, while brees attacked DVD and whoever covered the TEs.

BUt I agree with everything else you say.

I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP

by Jack'sAxe on Aug 29, 2011 4:02 PM PDT reply actions  

Voted Hagan, but ecstatic with the O line coming together, but still have some questions there

Hagan brings a solid possession guy, which we have needed for years, that helps transform a bunch of young talented kids into a “unit” or “corps.”

Disagree that DHB is a bust still, but he definitely will be if we continue to start him over more deserving guys, which I believe is in the past.

"tough times call for perseverance and a tough mind. I have been told that I can't play football before. We all know what happened with that. #neverquit"--Mark Herzlich

""The massive Raider Nation is beyond doubt the sleaziest and rudest and most sinister mob of thugs and wackos ever assembled."--Hunter S. Thompson

by brhynno on Aug 29, 2011 7:05 PM PDT reply actions  

Hagan and Moore should be our starters by mid-season.

Shilens and Hey Bey need to get their walking papers.

"I'm surrounded by assholes. Keep firing, assholes!"

by golfswithglock on Aug 30, 2011 6:07 AM PDT reply actions  

Absolutely Right!

‘Shilens and Hey Bey need to get their walking papers.’

Damn right. If you can’t ever stay healthy, or you can’t catch the football, then you have no place on this team.

"I like to think my best hits border on felonius assault" - Jack Tatum

by Linebacker41 on Aug 30, 2011 6:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'd also like to see Micheal Bush traded for a solid outside linebacker.

I love Bush. But it’s McFadden’s team. I’d rather see us get something now for Bush, then let him play second fiddle. An instrument I think Taiwan Jones is ready to play.

"I'm surrounded by assholes. Keep firing, assholes!"

by golfswithglock on Aug 30, 2011 6:10 AM PDT reply actions  

I think we need bush for those tough yards.

I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP

by Jack'sAxe on Aug 30, 2011 1:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

Marcel Reece

Can’t say enough about getting what we can for Bush while he’s still got name value. I love the guy. But it’s no secret McFadden is the focal point of our offense. With Taiwan and Marcel Reece capable of spelling Dmac, Bush deserves a shot to compete for a starting spot elsewhere. I want an outside linebacker that can get to the edge quickly and sniff out short yardage passes. Fuck it, lump next years 1st rounder in on a deal and go get a big name. Brian Orakpo? Damn that would be sweet.

"I'm surrounded by assholes. Keep firing, assholes!"

by golfswithglock on Aug 31, 2011 5:59 AM PDT up reply actions  

Getting a wlb should be on our agenda, but I think giving up Bush is too drastic

Our running game is set solid. Doesn’t seem like a good move to trade Bush because there are so many issues that still need to be resolved and messing with the backs might become an extra issue. Hopefully a cheaper FA will show up after the final cuts.

by RaiderPsycho on Aug 30, 2011 2:05 PM PDT reply actions  

No Way Trade Bush

Bush is a valuable asset to this team, and the thunder to McFadden’s lightning, a star in his own right. With those two and taiwan Jones, the running game could be unbelievable this year.

"I like to think my best hits border on felonius assault" - Jack Tatum

by Linebacker41 on Aug 30, 2011 6:04 PM PDT reply actions  

Madness to even consider it.

S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
"I made a trade for Seymour. ..I thought it was a great trade. Still do. [Al Davis 1/2011]
"I love to win, even against my daughters, I want to win" Hue "Action" Jackson 8/19/11

by Sons-of-Blanda on Aug 30, 2011 6:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

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