2011 Oakland Raiders: Post Preseason Game 3 Assessment. 1st Team has a Ton of Stars, Depth, Not so Much
The Good? We haven't even really seen our first team in full yet, nor has anyone. We don't even know who that will be on the Offensive line, but have a pretty good idea, barring any surprises. The Bad: There exists a significant drop-off in talent when the depth chart toppers exit the field, especially defensively. In fact, it seems that when we don't have our starting eleven, there's almost no one out there to get in the way of opposing offenses moving the ball up and down the field at will, and scoring just as easily. It's really ugly. Without our starting front four, and the rotational guys we'll mix in, we failed to produce pressure consistently against even their second and third units, and don't get me started about when Drew F. Brees was on the field.
A few details after the jump. I'll be breaking most of it down play-by-play which will hopefully reveal some more to be positive about, because this game offered very little to quell our concerns going into the game...
The run defense? What run defense! Our lbs continue to show that only Rolando can read what's going on in the backfield behind opposing offenses' O lines, or maybe he's the only one who can see back there. In fact, it's quite possible the only other backer to make a play in the backfield was Darryl Blackstock, who might not be on the roster at all, but did much to help his bid for a job on our lb-depraved squad. Our safeties and defensive backs gave receivers way too much space, and allowed for hitting guys in the second level to move the chains at will, as if we had zero guys covering them.
And what of the much lauded front four we're supposed to be fielding? Without sending extra help, we failed to create any pressure whatsoever, and do that against a guy like Drew F. Brees or Phillip F. Rivers, and you're in for a long, long day on defense, as witnessed in the debacle yesterday. I have to say, I had much higher hopes for Desmond Bryant, and even considered him to be eventually eclipsing Kelly in performance, but we saw nothing to indicate that yesterday. The defensive tackles also allowed for runs at will for first downs and tds in short yardage all day long. This only adds to our woes of lacking linebackers who possess the ability to defend against the run, and will continue to be a thorn in our sides all season if nothing is done to fix it.
After Stanford Routt, our secondary is sorely lacking, and provides yet another weakness for offenses to blatantly exploit all season. Nothing about multiple weaknesses and liabilities on defense says bully. Nothing. Branch continues to show the inability to cover with any consistency, and lacks instincts in run support as well. DVD is experiencing excruciating growing pains getting thrown to the fire, and though I'm confident he'll grow into something special, it does nothing for the first half of our season, which is key to our coming out of the gates and having a chance to win this division. Two winnable games on the road, and two significant challenges against two of the NFL's top teams in our house to follow. Get healthy, CJ, and fast, and please let Lito Sheppard still have a chip on his shoulder, or we're in serious trouble. Huff was caught out of position often and early for significant gains as well. Mike Mitchell: we need you to be the guy we see on your college tape, like yesterday.
Offensively, it's a night and day difference from last year, especially in the passing game. For the first time in a long time, it appears our wr corps will emerge a strength going into the season, with Denarius Moore and Derek Hagan being key additions, especially in the possession game. The tight ends are sorely lacking too, after Boss and Ausberry, and David can't be a starter until we develop his blocking further. Myers continues to be marginal, and I wouldn't mind if we waived him one bit.
Our backfield appears to have another fine addition in Taiwan Jones, who demonstrated he has what it takes in just a few touches, to be a prolific running back in this game. As a blocker, not so much, but he'll stretch defenses used properly, especially if we can get him on the field with Mike Bush, Darren McFadden, or Marcel Reece on any given down. He demonstrated great instinct, and the ability to make guys miss with his speed and agility, and also uses the stiff arm against secondary extremely well.
Our offensive line is coming together, and this is great news indeed, but I still wouldn't mind the addition of just one more vet. Andre Gurode was waived by the Cowboy's today, and would provide a guy who could compete for the starting job at center, probably at a decent price, and would help our overall situation tremendously. I remain hopeful we'll make a move on one such guy. It was awesome to see Bruce Campbell finally getting some reps, and stepping up to the plate. Stephon Heyer is living up to my expectations to help our tackle situation as well, and it is a welcome appearance.
So, it appears we're still sorely lacking at the OLB spot, and I feel there could be some great talent available with this first batch of cuts, and even from the second or third, but waiting too long will prove detrimental to our defensive unit's development. I'm holding out hope we'll bring in a guy who can lift the performance of his teammates, and boast the ability to smother the run. It'll be nice to find a guy who can cover TEs well too, but I won't mind if he can't so long as the run stopping ability is there. Mr. Davis: THIS IS ABSOLUTELY ESSENTIAL IF WE INSIST ON JOCKING THE BULLY ANGLE.
I won't be able to record the parts of the game I missed until super late tonight, so the play-by-play breakdown will have to wait until tomorrow, but I hope it will reveal that some of the absence of defense on our part can be explained by the tape, and that the situation is not as dire as it now appears. Some penalties cost us significantly, and the sack by Bruce Davis was a bad call imo, but that will happen to our Raiders until the cows come home, and we are well aware of that.
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I don't think we need
Andre Gurode, JC is good with satele already, everyone seems to be fine at Center, we have depth at o-line and it doesn’t make sense to add a new guy when we have a guy already. But i will say the only problem we do have is depth, having no backup is just as bad as not having a star, We need to stay consistent on the field and by subbing out guys who we can trust that can take on the burden without no problems. Having depth is the biggest problem i see raiders have, Signing lito was good, now all we need is a LB and were good, lets hope we fix this problem.
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but what happens if Satele goes out?
and how wise is it to wait until it happens to find out?
"tough times call for perseverance and a tough mind. I have been told that I can't play football before. We all know what happened with that. #neverquit"--Mark Herzlich
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Wiz moves to C if satele is out
"We’re going to be a tough, rugged football team that walks with a swagger and plays the way the Raiders used to play." Hue Jackson
"Just win baby. That’s what Al Davis says and that’s all I want to do. . . . I just want to be the best, and I just want to win." - Terrelle Pryor
by Ozraider on Aug 29, 2011 6:10 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
right. then who fills that guard spot?
Immediate dropoff. Gurode would offer a fix there, and keeps the much needed Wiz finishing blocks and getting to the second level with prowess, on the field.
"tough times call for perseverance and a tough mind. I have been told that I can't play football before. We all know what happened with that. #neverquit"--Mark Herzlich
""The massive Raider Nation is beyond doubt the sleaziest and rudest and most sinister mob of thugs and wackos ever assembled."--Hunter S. Thompson
Loper most likely
I know Loper has had a rough camp but he has showed he can play a role
"We’re going to be a tough, rugged football team that walks with a swagger and plays the way the Raiders used to play." Hue Jackson
"Just win baby. That’s what Al Davis says and that’s all I want to do. . . . I just want to be the best, and I just want to win." - Terrelle Pryor
by Ozraider on Aug 29, 2011 6:29 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
and you therein, disrupt the unit, that with Wiz blocking at LB, is a strength
that goes to weakness, and lest we forget, Wiz isn’t getting much needed reps at the position, and the unit grows further suspect. We still need help, imo.
"tough times call for perseverance and a tough mind. I have been told that I can't play football before. We all know what happened with that. #neverquit"--Mark Herzlich
""The massive Raider Nation is beyond doubt the sleaziest and rudest and most sinister mob of thugs and wackos ever assembled."--Hunter S. Thompson
at LG, that is
"tough times call for perseverance and a tough mind. I have been told that I can't play football before. We all know what happened with that. #neverquit"--Mark Herzlich
""The massive Raider Nation is beyond doubt the sleaziest and rudest and most sinister mob of thugs and wackos ever assembled."--Hunter S. Thompson
I don't undertand your point
It is very unlikely that you have starting calibre talent backing up on the o-line there is always going to be a slight drop off when you get an I jury – that’s why injuries suck. Loper played well enough last year to be a possible starter this season and with the oline more than any other position the whole is greater than the sum of the parts.
"We’re going to be a tough, rugged football team that walks with a swagger and plays the way the Raiders used to play." Hue Jackson
"Just win baby. That’s what Al Davis says and that’s all I want to do. . . . I just want to be the best, and I just want to win." - Terrelle Pryor
by Ozraider on Aug 29, 2011 6:58 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Look at who is not starting
Barksdale, Heyer (who can play left) Hulk Campbell (who has also played left) and Loper, that’s not bad depth
"We’re going to be a tough, rugged football team that walks with a swagger and plays the way the Raiders used to play." Hue Jackson
"Just win baby. That’s what Al Davis says and that’s all I want to do. . . . I just want to be the best, and I just want to win." - Terrelle Pryor
by Ozraider on Aug 29, 2011 7:02 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
what about Center? the most important position arguably
I don’t like that it means you take away your starting guard to move to center. Don’t like that at all.
"tough times call for perseverance and a tough mind. I have been told that I can't play football before. We all know what happened with that. #neverquit"--Mark Herzlich
""The massive Raider Nation is beyond doubt the sleaziest and rudest and most sinister mob of thugs and wackos ever assembled."--Hunter S. Thompson
Wiz has spent a significant amount of time
At centre in camp and preseason and I am certain is still seen as the future center of the team so I dont understand the problem.
"We’re going to be a tough, rugged football team that walks with a swagger and plays the way the Raiders used to play." Hue Jackson
"Just win baby. That’s what Al Davis says and that’s all I want to do. . . . I just want to be the best, and I just want to win." - Terrelle Pryor
by Ozraider on Aug 29, 2011 7:13 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
I just don't like disrupting the unit; it's that simple
and moving a guy back and forth, especially within a season. Not a good plan, and you’d be hard-pressed to find where a team has done so successfully. Green Bay did amazingly in this aspect, as did the Saints last year, but they are the exception.
Don’t get me wrong, I’m in agreement that OLB is the first priority, and if it meant we couldn’t get a guy or two, I’d be against bringing in Gurode, and I feel much better about the O line than anywhere else, and that we’d do okay with the substitution, but it wouldn’t be my preferred way to enter the season.
"tough times call for perseverance and a tough mind. I have been told that I can't play football before. We all know what happened with that. #neverquit"--Mark Herzlich
""The massive Raider Nation is beyond doubt the sleaziest and rudest and most sinister mob of thugs and wackos ever assembled."--Hunter S. Thompson
Hmmm ok I see what you are getting at
He would definitely be a good addition at the right price.
"We’re going to be a tough, rugged football team that walks with a swagger and plays the way the Raiders used to play." Hue Jackson
"Just win baby. That’s what Al Davis says and that’s all I want to do. . . . I just want to be the best, and I just want to win." - Terrelle Pryor
by Ozraider on Aug 29, 2011 7:20 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
the right price, is absolutely key
but I could see him wanting to play in Oakland somehow.
By no means would I do it if it meant stay as we are at lb!
"tough times call for perseverance and a tough mind. I have been told that I can't play football before. We all know what happened with that. #neverquit"--Mark Herzlich
""The massive Raider Nation is beyond doubt the sleaziest and rudest and most sinister mob of thugs and wackos ever assembled."--Hunter S. Thompson
I completely agree.
I feel much better about the offensive line than I did before preseason. It doesn’t mean I would mind additions, but I want the focus to be on d. Let us not forget about backup MLB, too! Al help this team if Ro gets hurt.
Eventually, all things merge into one, and a river runs through it.
by Rich Langford on Aug 29, 2011 10:52 PM PDT up reply actions
But that goes for a lot of players as well
And I dont think that means we lack depth. In general i see you point but moving wiz to center isn’t just moving any LG to C he is being groomed as a C and has been playing there through camp.
"We’re going to be a tough, rugged football team that walks with a swagger and plays the way the Raiders used to play." Hue Jackson
"Just win baby. That’s what Al Davis says and that’s all I want to do. . . . I just want to be the best, and I just want to win." - Terrelle Pryor
by Ozraider on Aug 29, 2011 7:23 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Loper..... hmmm..... nah. Gurode would be a good backup.
I liked the Loper Roll last year but….. he’s not that good and his awareness sucks.
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I don't think you can just write Loper off just yet
But he has sucked this preseason, he is a serviceable back up and I find it highly unlikely that Gurode will sign to be a back up anyway when if he is going to switch to guard he would be able to find a starting role somewhere.
"We’re going to be a tough, rugged football team that walks with a swagger and plays the way the Raiders used to play." Hue Jackson
"Just win baby. That’s what Al Davis says and that’s all I want to do. . . . I just want to be the best, and I just want to win." - Terrelle Pryor
by Ozraider on Aug 29, 2011 8:45 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
The money that would go to Gurode needs to be put towards an OLB and maybe a couple of depth pieces on defense
I agree
Spending that money on gurode would be an absolute waste
"We’re going to be a tough, rugged football team that walks with a swagger and plays the way the Raiders used to play." Hue Jackson
"Just win baby. That’s what Al Davis says and that’s all I want to do. . . . I just want to be the best, and I just want to win." - Terrelle Pryor
by Ozraider on Aug 29, 2011 6:18 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
how much do you really think he'll garner now? I'm all for the lb first, too, but we're thin on O line
and have a huge dropoff after the starters. Just look at the sacks yesterday.
"tough times call for perseverance and a tough mind. I have been told that I can't play football before. We all know what happened with that. #neverquit"--Mark Herzlich
""The massive Raider Nation is beyond doubt the sleaziest and rudest and most sinister mob of thugs and wackos ever assembled."--Hunter S. Thompson
I think the oline has been fine
It was more the third team guys that got Trent killed, apart from the MONSTER hit Rogers put on Kyle the kept him pretty clean and opened holes in the run game.
For the first time in years I am reasonable comfortable with the big uglies on O
"We’re going to be a tough, rugged football team that walks with a swagger and plays the way the Raiders used to play." Hue Jackson
"Just win baby. That’s what Al Davis says and that’s all I want to do. . . . I just want to be the best, and I just want to win." - Terrelle Pryor
by Ozraider on Aug 29, 2011 6:42 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
I think he left because they couldn't reach an agreement on restructuring his contract, so he might want too much.
He was waived, and what a guy wants does not mean what a guy will get
"tough times call for perseverance and a tough mind. I have been told that I can't play football before. We all know what happened with that. #neverquit"--Mark Herzlich
""The massive Raider Nation is beyond doubt the sleaziest and rudest and most sinister mob of thugs and wackos ever assembled."--Hunter S. Thompson
I'm not too worried at the moment
The thing to keep in mind is that as you said WR haven’t really seen the first team together meaning that a number if backups have been playing with the first team which obviously weakens the second team and makes it look like we lack depth. The fact that the first team in general has performed well in a way is testiment to our depth. There are still a couple of obvious spots we could use some help like at lb but other than that I agree with Hue and like the talent we have
"We’re going to be a tough, rugged football team that walks with a swagger and plays the way the Raiders used to play." Hue Jackson
"Just win baby. That’s what Al Davis says and that’s all I want to do. . . . I just want to be the best, and I just want to win." - Terrelle Pryor
by Ozraider on Aug 29, 2011 6:16 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
I feel pretty good as well!
We just need a couple of bodies in the right place. I still feel Mitchell and CJ are a huge upgrade to this defense…
No doubt, but who to play the outside backer spot(s)?
we know Wimbley, which I still dislike greatly, except when he’s rushing the passer, which won’t be often if we keep it up the way we have.
Who plays the Will spot? and who will back them up? Sam Williams?
The “feeling pretty good,” about our roster for me has left the building for, “oh shit, grab the oh shit handles…”
"tough times call for perseverance and a tough mind. I have been told that I can't play football before. We all know what happened with that. #neverquit"--Mark Herzlich
""The massive Raider Nation is beyond doubt the sleaziest and rudest and most sinister mob of thugs and wackos ever assembled."--Hunter S. Thompson
Well we know Mitchell will be a part of filling the gap at LB
"We’re going to be a tough, rugged football team that walks with a swagger and plays the way the Raiders used to play." Hue Jackson
"Just win baby. That’s what Al Davis says and that’s all I want to do. . . . I just want to be the best, and I just want to win." - Terrelle Pryor
by Ozraider on Aug 29, 2011 6:31 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
nah i don't think so
i think he will still be a SS/FS whatever he is, AT LB he is very undersized, You can say speed will beat the opposing teams offensive lines but i don’t think so, he fits perfect were he plays. I dont think he would be able to cover TE’s anyway from the LB position just because how undersize he would be.
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by AlwaysWinBaby on Aug 29, 2011 7:50 PM PDT up reply actions
big nickel
Will be where Mitchell benefits 3 and 7 covering the te killing drives as he did in games last year
by samiam2112 on Aug 29, 2011 8:08 PM PDT via iPhone app up reply actions
the perfect use of him, and I believe he's better in run support than any of our other safeties too
"tough times call for perseverance and a tough mind. I have been told that I can't play football before. We all know what happened with that. #neverquit"--Mark Herzlich
""The massive Raider Nation is beyond doubt the sleaziest and rudest and most sinister mob of thugs and wackos ever assembled."--Hunter S. Thompson
Well he has played played a fair bit of LB the last two years
And Boyd has been filling the role during preseason so I dont see why he wouldn’t
"We’re going to be a tough, rugged football team that walks with a swagger and plays the way the Raiders used to play." Hue Jackson
"Just win baby. That’s what Al Davis says and that’s all I want to do. . . . I just want to be the best, and I just want to win." - Terrelle Pryor
by Ozraider on Aug 29, 2011 8:47 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Me too
"We’re going to be a tough, rugged football team that walks with a swagger and plays the way the Raiders used to play." Hue Jackson
"Just win baby. That’s what Al Davis says and that’s all I want to do. . . . I just want to be the best, and I just want to win." - Terrelle Pryor
by Ozraider on Aug 29, 2011 8:58 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Some Moves Will Be A Surprise To Us But Not Necessarily To Al Davis
Trades are shopped around the league and that lets the cat out of the bag that a players is not going to make their squad…If a team who has interest is patient they may get that player for free or for a much lower valued pick…After all that how we got Wimbley last season and Seymour the season before…Seymour the following season as a “FFA” would have cost 2 1st rd picks but we only paid the 2nd pick…Not the 1st…
The other thing you are missing
Is that if a backup comes in for an injury he will be surrounded with other first team players not a whole team of backups which makes a huge difference.
"We’re going to be a tough, rugged football team that walks with a swagger and plays the way the Raiders used to play." Hue Jackson
"Just win baby. That’s what Al Davis says and that’s all I want to do. . . . I just want to be the best, and I just want to win." - Terrelle Pryor
by Ozraider on Aug 29, 2011 6:34 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Not missing quite aware after we have a final roster it will be more concrete
Then we will know exactly what we have…
Was replying to brhy
"We’re going to be a tough, rugged football team that walks with a swagger and plays the way the Raiders used to play." Hue Jackson
"Just win baby. That’s what Al Davis says and that’s all I want to do. . . . I just want to be the best, and I just want to win." - Terrelle Pryor
by Ozraider on Aug 29, 2011 6:40 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
clearly, but the depth is a real problem, and taking for granted the starters remain healthy all season
is setting yourself up for disaster. True, we don’t know who yet will start, but I’d prefer there was a better mix of guys who can fight to win a spot, then a clear group of guys to cut.
"tough times call for perseverance and a tough mind. I have been told that I can't play football before. We all know what happened with that. #neverquit"--Mark Herzlich
""The massive Raider Nation is beyond doubt the sleaziest and rudest and most sinister mob of thugs and wackos ever assembled."--Hunter S. Thompson
When you have 80+ guys on the roster
There are going to be a pretty long list of guys that are clear cuts that will get tine in preseason. I also think as fans many times we just assume that a guy who has come available is automatically better than what we have Which is not always the case.
"We’re going to be a tough, rugged football team that walks with a swagger and plays the way the Raiders used to play." Hue Jackson
"Just win baby. That’s what Al Davis says and that’s all I want to do. . . . I just want to be the best, and I just want to win." - Terrelle Pryor
by Ozraider on Aug 29, 2011 7:06 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Make no mistake. Gurode is better than what we have...
especially when you consider, there’s no one for center, except a guy you make your whole line thinner by moving him to center.
"tough times call for perseverance and a tough mind. I have been told that I can't play football before. We all know what happened with that. #neverquit"--Mark Herzlich
""The massive Raider Nation is beyond doubt the sleaziest and rudest and most sinister mob of thugs and wackos ever assembled."--Hunter S. Thompson
Gurode's a good move. C's can also convert to G's very easily (but not the other way around). I've always
favored going after Centers because they are generally smarter and meaner than Guards and can convert to Guard or stay at Center. Wiz isn’t losing much getting Guard experience and in the long run will benefit a profound understanding of the C position … as I see him as a long term Center for the Raiders.
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by Sons-of-Blanda on Aug 29, 2011 7:13 PM PDT up reply actions
As do I, but have thought for a long time, that entering the season without a guy besides Wiz to move to Center
would be a monumental mistake at this point. At the very least, as you said, Gurode could provide an upgrade to the guard position, and he has a nasty streak.
He’s in the twilight of his career, so it doesn’t change what we plan on for our future in any way, either.
"tough times call for perseverance and a tough mind. I have been told that I can't play football before. We all know what happened with that. #neverquit"--Mark Herzlich
""The massive Raider Nation is beyond doubt the sleaziest and rudest and most sinister mob of thugs and wackos ever assembled."--Hunter S. Thompson
and with alternative Guards of the caliber of Loper, Pelc and Schuening, it seems a no brainer
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"I made a trade for Seymour. ..I thought it was a great trade. Still do. [Al Davis 1/2011]
"I love to win, even against my daughters, I want to win" Hue "Action" Jackson 8/19/11
by Sons-of-Blanda on Aug 29, 2011 7:21 PM PDT up reply actions
Pelc waived today, and I believe all others sans Loper will go that way too
"tough times call for perseverance and a tough mind. I have been told that I can't play football before. We all know what happened with that. #neverquit"--Mark Herzlich
""The massive Raider Nation is beyond doubt the sleaziest and rudest and most sinister mob of thugs and wackos ever assembled."--Hunter S. Thompson
can't recall at this point, but very likely
rotations were coming fast and furious about then. I deleted my recording of the game, becuz I missed the 1st quarter, but have it recording again tonight for breakdown tomorrow. I’m actually not even sure if Pelc was getting any reps in the game, already decidedly cut I think.
"tough times call for perseverance and a tough mind. I have been told that I can't play football before. We all know what happened with that. #neverquit"--Mark Herzlich
""The massive Raider Nation is beyond doubt the sleaziest and rudest and most sinister mob of thugs and wackos ever assembled."--Hunter S. Thompson
I thought it might have been Lamack
But he was still on the sidelines and Wiz had his cap and no helemet
I'm not really that worried about the Oline
Our thinnest spot is Left Tackle not Center if we loose two centers its a screwed season anyway…
Veldher could play it in an emergency. LT is the weak link for depth. Guard we are pretty good.
What I’d like to see
Velder Wiz 2,0 Satelle Campbell Heyer/Barksdale
b/u Carlisle (unfortunately) Looper Barnes +1 more
Although lard ass tackle eligible Khalif wasn’t horrible against the Saints
I'm just not understanding how everyone will think it's okay, for most of the players on the line to change positions in the event of an injury to Satele
both backups would come from the left side, from different positions. Not cool, imo. Then you bring in worse guys at their respective holes left behind. I don’t like the idea one bit. I hope we don’t have to find out what happens if we enter the season as is on the line.
"tough times call for perseverance and a tough mind. I have been told that I can't play football before. We all know what happened with that. #neverquit"--Mark Herzlich
""The massive Raider Nation is beyond doubt the sleaziest and rudest and most sinister mob of thugs and wackos ever assembled."--Hunter S. Thompson
I don't think it's cool
But Wiz was a center and is at guard so if Satele went down Wiz is the B/U Loper goes into his spot.
Right side is Bruce Heyer Barksdale and unfortunately Barnes
I would like to see Carlisle go giving us a space for Left Tackle B/U and Barnes to go
Did you see Carlisle let Shawn Rogers thru to pile drive Boller? If I were Kyle I'd humm a 98mph btw Coop's thighs
S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
"I made a trade for Seymour. ..I thought it was a great trade. Still do. [Al Davis 1/2011]
"I love to win, even against my daughters, I want to win" Hue "Action" Jackson 8/19/11
by Sons-of-Blanda on Aug 29, 2011 9:59 PM PDT up reply actions
Boller's tough, he's had his share of knocks and nicks and keeps coming back for more
S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
"I made a trade for Seymour. ..I thought it was a great trade. Still do. [Al Davis 1/2011]
"I love to win, even against my daughters, I want to win" Hue "Action" Jackson 8/19/11
by Sons-of-Blanda on Aug 31, 2011 8:26 PM PDT up reply actions
1st team has a ton of stars?
On the defensive side of the ball the only star i saw was Rolando Mcclain & Routt on occasions. The front 4 seemed to be going 75% and in the trenches on the 1 yard line I couldn’t help but notice Kelly get tossed aside like a rag doll. This was just a preseason game without their guy Seymour i understand…but this was supposed to be the “BULLY” not the work in progress. As for Huff and Branch their cover skills never seem to improve year after year. Wilbley I like as a pass rusher…but in coverage & even against the run he does not provide the “bang for the buck”
Ro had solid game, the only real LB we have on this team.
S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
"I made a trade for Seymour. ..I thought it was a great trade. Still do. [Al Davis 1/2011]
"I love to win, even against my daughters, I want to win" Hue "Action" Jackson 8/19/11
by Sons-of-Blanda on Aug 29, 2011 10:00 PM PDT up reply actions
I thought Ro was fantastic
Played angry we just need the rest to follow his lead
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by Ozraider on Aug 29, 2011 11:01 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Salary Cap
Oakland Raiders: $5,311,249
Gurode will be a waste of money just because everyone on our line can go to center. I don’t think we would waste money just for a backup.
Best bet is to get a 3 year deal or 2 year deal with a good LB. Once first cuts our done, their will be rookies with alot of talent being cut, veterans cut for cap space, all i know is someone will be good at OLB. Lets hope we can get a steal during these Cuts.
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Gurode would beat Satele, all day long.
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Absolutely can, and more than likely has a chance to win a job
Gurode has been a perennial pro bowler since 2005, and an all pro twice, most recently in 2009, and last year, he lost the benefit of one of the best all time tackles ever, for a guy named Doug Free.
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Espn even said 5 probowls for gurode
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by Marcus Allen Krause on Aug 29, 2011 9:08 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Yes he may
but its not like satele doesn’t do a good job? every run play from last years HL you can almost see satele out on the field looking for blood, He rarely misses blocks and is hardly called for penalties?
Dude we had the best RUNNING team other than chiefs in the NFL. And you know what? we didn’t have Gurode, we had satele, so it doesn’t make any sense. Also if he was such a pro-bowler and must have be so al-mighty im pretty sure cowboys would have let someone else go for salary cap reasons. Also im pretty sure Al isn’t dum enough to sign satele and sign another Center lol.
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by AlwaysWinBaby on Aug 29, 2011 9:05 PM PDT up reply actions
Here's probably the best take on Gurode...
Having made the Pro Bowl the last five years wasn’t enough for Gurode to keep his roster spot. The Cowboys cut the veteran center Monday for a variety of reasons that included his age and salary, his decision to have knee surgery so late in the off-season that it sidelined him for the start of camp and by the performance by an undrafted, unproven second-year player in Gurode’s absence.
lol. I had hoped the interest in him wouldn't be so great, but apparently six teams thus far, disagree...
no telling how they go, but he’s doing some serious travelling right now.
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Groves must go
We cannot afford his lack of being a linebacker ( he’s really a shitty DE) at least Wimbley can put some pressure on the QB and offer some sort of coverage, but a shittier version like Groves just makes the whole pyramid crumble. So a new linebacker is a must if we really want to be a bully and stop the run!
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Dirty Harry Callahan
One scratches the head on the whole linebacker situation
in that old familiar spot, now scar tissue for us lifelong Raider fans.
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Sign him up! I've been thinking a guy via trade is more likely at this point than a guy from free agency
in whom it appears, we lack real interest. I’d get interested if I were in charge, and fast, because there are clear guys out there much better than what we’re working with.
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Being unhappy and being available are two very different things
Saying just sign this guy just sign that guy is a massive over simplification of how this whole thing works.
The Bears will not just trade Briggs and if the do they will want something substantial in return.
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by Ozraider on Aug 29, 2011 8:52 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Only way i see briggs here is if we trade
Tommy Kelly for Lance briggs, seems fair since we got bryant, but i don’t wanna trade kelly.
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by AlwaysWinBaby on Aug 29, 2011 8:58 PM PDT up reply actions
Me neither, especially with Bryant struggling against bigger men
and after performances like yesterday. Kelly has, and I almost find myself in the odd position for saying it after hating him for all these years, finally stepped up and earned his money.
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His broken hand hasn't helped
If we traded Kelly They would likely move Lamar to DT with Shaugnaessy and Scott as ends…
I believe you are correct about Lamarr
Scott is a stud at DE too.
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If they could work something out (pipe dream) LOL
We would be dealing from a position of strength and filling a need that would be brilliant!
@scar tissue on head
Atleast its a nice divit that now kinda just glides the finger back and forth
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by Marcus Allen Krause on Aug 29, 2011 9:07 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
lol
absolutely
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how old is briggs though?
I’d take him anyday of the week but idk if I’d be willing to trade a kings ransom for him
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by Marcus Allen Krause on Aug 29, 2011 9:05 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
looks like he'll be 31 in November this year
I think he was right about it warranting a Kelly like entity from our side, which I think most of us would be against at this point. We need two stud DTs.
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yeah i wouldnt be willing bt would they take Khalif Barnes?
Lol jk
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by Marcus Allen Krause on Aug 29, 2011 9:10 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
hell no
they probably trade barnes for a 7th round pick, which might be good lol but nah barnes has played well since those penalties
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by AlwaysWinBaby on Aug 29, 2011 9:11 PM PDT up reply actions
I agree. I don't see him ever being a great starting tackle, but think we want to keep him
and will utilize him as an eligible TE again, and often.
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Eligible TE's
thats so true, but hey heyers got hands too lol we can run double tackles and i bet teams would be like " there running" and its a PA then TD barnes or heyer lol
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by AlwaysWinBaby on Aug 29, 2011 9:15 PM PDT up reply actions
Gotta love that quality in a football player
and that we’re emphasizing that character in guys we bring in again.
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Yup Heyer
plays with alot of emotion, he just looks like he brings an edge to that O-line. when he was raising his hands up to the crowd i was like “hell yeah” represent.
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by AlwaysWinBaby on Aug 29, 2011 9:18 PM PDT up reply actions
that play was heads up, and awesome
up there with that roll that Loper did for the first down last season.
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effective but degrading
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by Sons-of-Blanda on Aug 29, 2011 10:03 PM PDT up reply actions
lol i was completely kidding on Barnes but i do agree he has played better
Haven’t heard much complaining about him in awhile. Still not in the same realm of value for Briggs lol
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by Marcus Allen Krause on Aug 29, 2011 9:21 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Briggs i think is a no option though
he wants to be a bear, seems like he just wants money and i doubt the team will release him. Best bet for LB’s is see who gets cut from the other teams. There’s gonna be alot of people on the market right after the first cuts
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I can't figure out why teams refuse to pay guys like him
just pay the man!
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yeah they wont cut him but they might be willing to trade him
He held out to get this contract and now he is pissed again. He bitches a lot and he crashed his Lamborghini on a highway a few years back, they might be out of patience. Plus this dispute is dumb because they gave him a crapload of upfront money on his last contract so now he feels underpaid but essentially they prepaid him for these years and now he feels underpaid.
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by Marcus Allen Krause on Aug 29, 2011 9:18 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
he has expressed he wants to remain a Bear though
and also that the contract will not become a distraction to himself, or the team.
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yeah if i was Jerry Angelo i would be pissed about even mentioning it out loud though
With His track history especially I mean damn dudes got 3 years left and he’s not crazy underpaid
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by Marcus Allen Krause on Aug 29, 2011 9:23 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
he definitely lacks couth
not the smartest guy when he opens his mouth, apparently.
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Here's a little excerpt from Jerry McDonalds
Jackson wouldn’t name a starting offensive line (sensing a trend here?), but did say of the unit featuring Jared Veldheer at left tackle, Stefen Wisniewski at left guard, Samson Satele at center, Cooper Carlisle at right guard and Khalif Barnes at right tackle, "I’m not going to tell you I’m set, but I’m definitely moving in that direction."
I would have thought they would be talking about Stephon Heyer rather than Barnes. Heyer has looked much better in limited action with the 1st team.
yup. Carlisle has demonstrated a lot of heart this preseason
and isn’t giving it up easily. Campbell would need a lot of reps to truly have the shot at winning the position at this point. Some things can’t be learned watching. Carlisle’s also getting to the second level on run plays well for an old, fat guy.
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I agree Bruce is raw...
He just brutal and I would like to see him have a chance to wear a guy down. That will be part if his skill set!
"and I just loooooove to hit people..." grinning huge. lol
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E9SqCrDK_Bw
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Carlisle deserves to be there if he keeps it up, but at some point in the season Bruce should be in there if he's mentally prepared.
by duballers23 on Aug 29, 2011 10:03 PM PDT up reply actions
The guy will crush D linemen once he develops some more technique
by duballers23 on Aug 29, 2011 10:04 PM PDT up reply actions
I say week five, and he's winning the job out and out in practice, earning the starting time
Coop can’t keep the intensity up through all that, I don’t think, but if he does somehow, good for us. As indicated by Sons above, he’s prone to some monumental mistakes that leave our gunslingers open for pain.
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He knows right know hes playing for his job and BC is closing the gap hard!
Fear can be a huge motivator!
Barnes has started at RT in ever game and been pretty solid
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by Ozraider on Aug 29, 2011 11:04 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Horrible assessment, with all due respect
Both AZ and SF he was unspeakably putrid. Better yesterday, but I’ve no confidence he won’t regress.
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by Sons-of-Blanda on Aug 29, 2011 11:08 PM PDT up reply actions
hahahaha
:P
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Mr. Carlisle will start
Mr. B. Campbell will see plenty of playing time; which might be good for both guards, one gets renergized, the other grows.
excellent point there.
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i think we need 3 guys
Tatupu…leonard davis….andre gurode
by bmoreraiderfan on Aug 29, 2011 10:32 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
I say hire this man for GM
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and welcome to the site, bmore, which I'll assume is Baltimore, which is badass to have a Raider representing in
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yeah i was raised on the cowboys to be honest
but I identified early on with the outlaw image and underdog/underachieving premise in the raider way so I been a raider fan since I can remember…also I would like us to cut k.barnes n bring in stinchomb…I want greatness out of my trench players or atleast the need to pursue it and I can see some are just here for a check…he needs a reality check…no pun intended
by bmoreraiderfan on Aug 29, 2011 11:19 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
I believe most of us would be in complete agreement there
no weak spots in the trenches, please. I want studs to dominate, Shell/Upshaw/Dalby style.
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Lets turn this whole B**CH out then
I know its easier said than done… But judging by preseason id say Lamaar is a very solid run-stuffing De and would make a good Dt(his old college position)if need-b & with the emergeance of T.Jones/Hagan/Houston i can see a trade with either M.Bush/Murphy/Bush or T.Kelly…..moving Houston to Dt and Wimbley back to his original position(he plays De for us anyways) and grab some REAL LINEBACKERS TO SIDE MCCLAIN via trade
Release=Loper/DHB for salary purposes
why?
hes a hard worker and has shown improvement
by RyanTheRaider on Aug 30, 2011 12:56 AM PDT up reply actions
come join us in 2011 bro
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right! no way! keep that man! He is a pile driver
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i think hes fine
i think his knee was sore.He looked fine jogging of the field and Hue said he was walking around the locker room.Probably just playing it safe with his injury history.Besides, who would we keep? nick miller? lol
by RyanTheRaider on Aug 30, 2011 4:54 PM PDT up reply actions
Til his next hit
I want Chaz to be OK but history is ruthless when it is repeated in this kind of a viscous cycle. I don’t think Miller makes it this year…
If Chaz is cut?
WR Murphy, DHB, Moore, Hagen, Ford and Ausberry/Jackson
TE Boss, Myers, Gordon/Ausberry
Chad Jackson? Probably Miller b/c he's a gutsy guy with good hands and versatile
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by Sons-of-Blanda on Aug 31, 2011 8:28 PM PDT up reply actions
Def not Jackson...
Has he even caught a ball in pre-season?
I’m not sure we keep either one, actually. We got a quite a few guys that could in theory line up in the slot … Reese, Taiwan, DMac. I think 5 WR’s is probably enough, personally.
by Brett J Valjalo on Sep 1, 2011 9:36 AM PDT up reply actions
You have all the returners with Ford, Moore and TJ
If Chaz gets hit they will have to grab somebody…

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