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The Oakland Raiders' Offensive Line Takes Shape

We have a pretty good look at what the 2011 Oakland Raiders' offensive line is going to look like. There are 11 non-undrafted rookies on the roster. Those 11 guys are battling it out for 9-10 roster spots. And those 9-10 players are trying to block their way into the starting five. After the jump take a look at the projected depth chart....

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Left Tackle: Jared Veldheer, Khalif Barnes

This is definitely Veldheer's job to lose. Veld needs to step up his pass blocking this year, but after a fast transition and a solid season this second year player gave us every reason to think he will improve.

Barnes has starting LT experience. But he will also likely be in the competition for the RT spot.

Left Guard: Daniel Loper, Samson Satele, Justin Smiley

This battle is likely going to be Loper and Smiley. And is there any difference between the two?

Center: Stefen Wisniewski, Samson Satele

Wisniewski has to go out and proves he belongs in this league. If he doesn't Satele is a solid back-up option.

Right Guard: Cooper Carlisle, Bruce Campbell, Samson Satele

It would be nice to Satele win this spot. He would look good as a pulling guard on runs left. Satele was also the Raiders best O-linemen on screens. He is excellent in the second lever.

Even better than Satele winning this job would be to have Bruce Campbell win it. However, it is going to be hard for him to do that while standing injured on the sideline.

Right Tackle: Stephon Heyer, Khalif Barnes, Joe Barksdale  

This is anyone's job. It would be great to see Barksdale come out and win this job. But if he can't at least the Raiders have two players with experience to fall back on.

These guys are going to have big shoes to fill. Langston Walker had a hard time stopping pass rushers in 2010, but he was a monster in the run game.

This line does not inspire me with a great amount of confidence, but it does fill me with hope. If Wisniewski and Barksdale prove to be legitimate starters in this league and Veldheer take the next step, this line has an incredible young nucleus to build around.

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Which Raiders' offensive line position are you most concerned about?
LT
350 votes
LG
152 votes
C
58 votes
RG
161 votes
RT
452 votes

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I have faith in Joe

becoming our stud RT, with Bruce pushing him for reps once he recovers.

I’m a little concerned about the guard spots, but I think Satele and Loper will win out.

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by Screwfish on Aug 3, 2011 4:36 AM PDT reply actions  

Need the Boss

All the more reason to have a “bully” blocking tight end, Kevin Boss to be be the 6th offensive lineman. This is a must,as Reece is so involved with the passing game, that the Raiders are really going to need a tight end to help with the pass blocking.

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by TheRaiderWay on Aug 3, 2011 4:55 AM PDT reply actions  

What I find disturbing the most of all

This line does not look like they will be better than the one we fielded last year and we know what kind of production we got last year. I don’t see how this line fits into the “bully” ideals of Hue. If Veldheer goes down or does not improve from last year then we are in serious trouble. I thoughtwe would bring in some new blood for this power blocking scheme but all we’ve done is bring back guys from last year that couldn’t cut it for the most part and now we are left to scrape the bottom of the barrell in FA since Al slept through most of FA instead of restructuring contracts to ensure we could be competitive in FA and sign some guys to help this team out.

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by Buster Bluth on Aug 3, 2011 5:25 AM PDT reply actions  

if we can bring back walker to play the RG spot

this season, im actually moderatly comfortable with this line. loper filled in fine last year for gallery and by all accounts barksdale is doin quite well in camp, though we really wont know for certain until we can see them in a preseason game.

by frank7da2tank on Aug 3, 2011 5:46 AM PDT reply actions  

LG is key.

Our rushing game was especially effective with a Gallery pulling; Loper played decently but was a drop-off.
LT- I’m happy with Veld at LT and believe Mario’s a decent back-up.
C- We’re set at C w/ Samson backing Wiz.
RG- Walker would be perfect. Carlisle was adequate and this is where BC got some reps and seems his best postion.
RT- I too believe in ol’ Joe with Khalif backing him.

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by Sons-of-Blanda on Aug 3, 2011 6:47 AM PDT reply actions  

Satele at LG

Satele’s quickness would play well at LG, especially if we have a good blocking TE to help out Veld. If Wiz gets hut, Satele to Center and Loper to LG. That’s probably the best way to look at it for now.

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by TheRaiderWay on Aug 3, 2011 6:54 AM PDT up reply actions  

True, Satele is too good to play back-up to a sturdy usurper.

S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
"I made a trade for Seymour. ..I thought it was a great trade. Still do. [Al Davis 1/2011]
Patience advances a man to better times.

by Sons-of-Blanda on Aug 3, 2011 6:57 AM PDT up reply actions  

Who cares!

WE LOST ZACH!

Fuck Al, what are you doing?
Saving the money for a better TE?

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by DEBACLE OF MASS ERUPTION. on Aug 3, 2011 6:51 AM PDT reply actions  

aboard the Tom Cable recycling center trolley.

Bush might be leaving too.
then a domino effect begins…

The Seattle Raiders.

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by DEBACLE OF MASS ERUPTION. on Aug 3, 2011 7:31 AM PDT up reply actions  

it's not up to bush entirely

we can match any offer so if we want him we get him.

by Trho14 on Aug 3, 2011 7:38 AM PDT up reply actions  

Tom knows what a cheap bastard the cryptkeeper is.

Lynch+bush=BEAST

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by DEBACLE OF MASS ERUPTION. on Aug 3, 2011 8:04 AM PDT up reply actions  

Cheap?

He usually over pays for players. I’m glad he learned this off season not to over pay for players we don’t need. If someone wants to give Bush a huge contract let him leave. We can find another bruiser.

by Trho14 on Aug 3, 2011 8:11 AM PDT up reply actions  

When it comes to paying GREAT players.

Mediocre players get bigger deals because Al wants them to earn the money he already paid them.
There are more players leaving than arriving this offseason. I had faith in the playoffs, but with no decent moves made, it feels like 2008 all over again.
Steve Smith,WR is still available…

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by DEBACLE OF MASS ERUPTION. on Aug 3, 2011 8:17 AM PDT up reply actions  

Dont need Offense

Besides Oline I am content with our Offense as is, We had the 6th most points in the NFL last year including scoring more than the SB winning Packers, right now my focus would be on a WLB…and then maybe a CB…

by Gregg Milhaupt on Aug 3, 2011 8:21 AM PDT up reply actions  

TANK MODE

Al and the gang are up to something, or nothing?
Either way, it’s not helping moral when the best players and leaders are leaving.

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by DEBACLE OF MASS ERUPTION. on Aug 3, 2011 8:26 AM PDT up reply actions  

Nnamdi=leader

Miller’s and effort skill made him a leader
both great players
Campbell got overed by BG

Plus,I will always love Seymour for his “Community Service”

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by DEBACLE OF MASS ERUPTION. on Aug 3, 2011 9:28 AM PDT up reply actions  

I could

Watch that ALL DAY EVERY DAY

by Gregg Milhaupt on Aug 3, 2011 9:37 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

You and every floosie

Little Ben Squirted (Without paying.)
 
RAIDERS-1
RAPE-34,000,000,000 (But in this case, Zero.)

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by DEBACLE OF MASS ERUPTION. on Aug 3, 2011 9:44 AM PDT up reply actions  

Seymour is the Perfect Raider for this Era

S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
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by Sons-of-Blanda on Aug 3, 2011 10:30 AM PDT up reply actions  

He is our Lyle Alzado.

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by DEBACLE OF MASS ERUPTION. on Aug 3, 2011 10:34 AM PDT up reply actions  

More than that [sorry LAP]. His charisma has galvanized us into his own image.

If we must compare him to great former Raiders, Rich is a blend of Long, Upshaw and Brown.

S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
"I made a trade for Seymour. ..I thought it was a great trade. Still do. [Al Davis 1/2011]
Patience advances a man to better times.

by Sons-of-Blanda on Aug 3, 2011 12:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

The way he can throw down

add matt millen
AND ALL OF THESE GUYS.

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by DEBACLE OF MASS ERUPTION. on Aug 3, 2011 1:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yes, Millen too (but hidden)

S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
"I made a trade for Seymour. ..I thought it was a great trade. Still do. [Al Davis 1/2011]
Patience advances a man to better times.

by Sons-of-Blanda on Aug 3, 2011 2:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

Look at the Gif above

to see how well he hides it…

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by DEBACLE OF MASS ERUPTION. on Aug 3, 2011 2:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

Rich is a gentleman and articulate, his deportment (before that shot) is nothing like Millens

Moments like that one in Pittsburgh reveal the hidden Millen aspect

S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
"I made a trade for Seymour. ..I thought it was a great trade. Still do. [Al Davis 1/2011]
Patience advances a man to better times.

by Sons-of-Blanda on Aug 3, 2011 2:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

It's just great to know that he has it in him.

But Millen takes no SHIT.
specially not from steve young.

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by DEBACLE OF MASS ERUPTION. on Aug 3, 2011 2:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

I love

How Seymour is just in the middle of their celebration… talking….talking…then BAM!

by LaRaider on Aug 3, 2011 10:39 AM PDT up reply actions  

Tyler Brayton Style.

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by DEBACLE OF MASS ERUPTION. on Aug 3, 2011 10:44 AM PDT up reply actions  

seriously the best individual moment of my football fanhood.

my god did he lay him out. that was the best punch ever to somebody who was wearing a helmet. it shows the intellegence of seymour too because he didnt just hit him in the helmet like the other muscle heads who cant hold their temper. He went under the helmet and actually hit him in a way that would hurt. couldnt have chosen a better person to lay out. fuck ben rapistberger

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by Marcus Allen Krause on Aug 3, 2011 6:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

Lynch is okay. he's not above average.

I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP

by Jack'sAxe on Aug 3, 2011 9:37 AM PDT up reply actions  

But it's beastly.

COMBINED.

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by DEBACLE OF MASS ERUPTION. on Aug 3, 2011 9:40 AM PDT up reply actions  

Lynch is a monster. Literally.

by JaKe. on Aug 3, 2011 7:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

i like this news

“Hearing that the clock is ticking for the Ravens to sign WR Malcom Floyd. Other suitors include Vikings, Cardinals, Panthers, Raiders.”

by RyanTheRaider on Aug 3, 2011 6:54 AM PDT reply actions  

We have issues,

I don’t see an all pro on this line who will bit*h slap the player in front and dominate. Gaither healthy would have been the answer. I simply do not see enough at this stage.

by raiders4liffe on Aug 3, 2011 7:29 AM PDT reply actions  

I think the key for us is how well Bruce and Barksdale adjust for the NFL

if they can become solid starters which I believe they can our line will be better off. My image for the line is Veld,Satele,Wiz,Bruce,Barksdale. That could be a bully and we our line for a long time.

by Trho14 on Aug 3, 2011 7:33 AM PDT reply actions  

That would be (by far) the youngest OL in the nfl.

S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
"I made a trade for Seymour. ..I thought it was a great trade. Still do. [Al Davis 1/2011]
Patience advances a man to better times.

by Sons-of-Blanda on Aug 3, 2011 8:00 AM PDT up reply actions  

I am aware

and I know it sounds like a stupid line at this point in time, but usually young guys are better at run blocking which is good for us, and I’m hoping if they start playing together now they can gel and become dominant. They have really no experience so there will be growing pains but in my opinion this is our most talented O-line and has the highest ceiling in the NFL. Hopefully Hue can get them to play beyond their years.

by Trho14 on Aug 3, 2011 8:20 AM PDT up reply actions  

Even better learning curve now that the ZBS has fallen out of favor (along with its chief proponent)

S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
"I made a trade for Seymour. ..I thought it was a great trade. Still do. [Al Davis 1/2011]
Patience advances a man to better times.

by Sons-of-Blanda on Aug 3, 2011 10:33 AM PDT up reply actions  

we definitely improved our oline coaching

cable doesnt even com close to Wiley and Wiz 1.0

by RyanTheRaider on Aug 3, 2011 11:25 AM PDT up reply actions  

Michael Bush

I hate that people are so worried about Bush leaving. No one else will sign him not only would they have to pay him big money they would have to send us draft picks….Plus if we want him we can keep him no matter what as long as we match the offer.

by Gregg Milhaupt on Aug 3, 2011 7:42 AM PDT reply actions  

I dont know....

About anyone else but if we were to lose Michael Bush, I wouldnt be too upset bc we would be getting a second 1st round pick and a second 3rd round pick….

by Gregg Milhaupt on Aug 3, 2011 7:47 AM PDT up reply actions  

yeah I would have mixed emotions

it would be nice to get picks and we could build with those,but I do like Bush and he is good in short yardage situations but then again we could use Reece or McFadden is said to be a little bigger. So either way I’d be fine I guess

by Trho14 on Aug 3, 2011 7:52 AM PDT up reply actions  

We are well positioned on this one

S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
"I made a trade for Seymour. ..I thought it was a great trade. Still do. [Al Davis 1/2011]
Patience advances a man to better times.

by Sons-of-Blanda on Aug 3, 2011 8:01 AM PDT up reply actions  

I wouldn't mind either

But there’s no way it’s going to happen. I love Bush, but he’s not worth a 1st and 3rd. He’ll be a Raider next year for sure.

In Hue We Trust

by LouisMurphy'sLaw on Aug 3, 2011 8:01 AM PDT up reply actions  

Surprised Carlisle hasn't been cut yet

Doesn’t seem worth the money he’s set to make this year.

In Hue We Trust

by LouisMurphy'sLaw on Aug 3, 2011 7:48 AM PDT reply actions  

Might as well keep him now

see if he can play well, he adds depth, and I think we’re alright on the cap now.

by Trho14 on Aug 3, 2011 7:53 AM PDT up reply actions  

At this point

I’d take cutting Carlisle and signing Langston Walker to play guard. Saves money and I don’t feel like the team is losing anything.

In Hue We Trust

by LouisMurphy'sLaw on Aug 3, 2011 7:58 AM PDT up reply actions  

qualified +1 b/c we need to consider depth

S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
"I made a trade for Seymour. ..I thought it was a great trade. Still do. [Al Davis 1/2011]
Patience advances a man to better times.

by Sons-of-Blanda on Aug 3, 2011 8:02 AM PDT up reply actions  

At this point we can't afford to lose him with the guys we have on the roster right now.

Which is what is sad about the state of our O-Line

You know what would make a good story? Something about a clown who make people happy, but inside he's real sad. Also, he has severe diarrhea.

by Buster Bluth on Aug 3, 2011 7:53 AM PDT up reply actions  

I like it

The biggest question mark entering the season was nnamdi and the o-line. I think their both kinda resolved now. I say, pending our cap, grab TE Boss, a WR like Floyd, and a CB like Atari Bigsby from GB. Atari has always been a little above average as a CB for GB. He got injured and bumped from the rotation thanks to that kid who got all those picks in the superbowl.

by LaRaider on Aug 3, 2011 8:43 AM PDT reply actions  

How is the O-Line question mark resolved?

We haven’t done much other than the draft except bring back old faces that didn’t produce in the first place.

You know what would make a good story? Something about a clown who make people happy, but inside he's real sad. Also, he has severe diarrhea.

by Buster Bluth on Aug 3, 2011 9:21 AM PDT up reply actions  

Motherboy.

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by DEBACLE OF MASS ERUPTION. on Aug 3, 2011 9:23 AM PDT up reply actions  

Hell yes..

Did you get this Idea in ARMY?

by mcastro831 on Aug 3, 2011 9:40 AM PDT up reply actions  

No

It’s classic 70s rock group MotherBoy.

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by DEBACLE OF MASS ERUPTION. on Aug 3, 2011 9:41 AM PDT up reply actions  

Not to be mistaken

with the Motherboy, a mother-son pageant

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by DEBACLE OF MASS ERUPTION. on Aug 3, 2011 10:21 AM PDT up reply actions  

Love Arrested Development

Hence ny name…lol.

You know what would make a good story? Something about a clown who make people happy, but inside he's real sad. Also, he has severe diarrhea.

by Buster Bluth on Aug 3, 2011 10:26 AM PDT up reply actions  

That's you and Mrs. Bluth

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by DEBACLE OF MASS ERUPTION. on Aug 3, 2011 10:29 AM PDT up reply actions  

Can't wait for the movie to get done

That pic made my day lol

You know what would make a good story? Something about a clown who make people happy, but inside he's real sad. Also, he has severe diarrhea.

by Buster Bluth on Aug 3, 2011 10:30 AM PDT up reply actions  

I think Jason Bateman & will arnett's recent stinkers prove

that a movie isn’t coming anytime soon.

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by DEBACLE OF MASS ERUPTION. on Aug 3, 2011 10:33 AM PDT up reply actions  

The script is almost complete and the entire original cast in on board

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by Buster Bluth on Aug 3, 2011 11:34 AM PDT up reply actions  

Word?

Bateman was interviewed 2 years ago and said it wasn’t going to be made…

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by DEBACLE OF MASS ERUPTION. on Aug 3, 2011 11:56 AM PDT up reply actions  

It looked that way back then but check this out from May this year

http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1659485/jason-bateman-arrested-development.jhtml

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by Buster Bluth on Aug 3, 2011 12:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

I have to wait until next year?

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by DEBACLE OF MASS ERUPTION. on Aug 3, 2011 1:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

Hahahaha priceless

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by Buster Bluth on Aug 3, 2011 2:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

Bob Loblaw's Law Blog and Illusions is what I want out of this movie.

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by DEBACLE OF MASS ERUPTION. on Aug 3, 2011 2:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

I agree

about not feeling comfortable with the state of our offensive line, so far. If Jason gets hurt because of the parade of youngsters and also-rans we are hopefully cultivating, it will be a huge price to pay, after all was accomplished last year. It is imperative for us to get solid/proven o-linemen who can do both run and pass-block extraordinarily well, this season!

Also, with the loss of Nnam and Z, much more needs to be done to shore-up our linebacking corp. Surely, Al and Hue are mindful of how subtle ‘holes’ are appearing with our preparations to be great; but because of their sharp football acumen there is solace in knowing they shall continue doing all they can to put a better product together than whats on paper right now.

by Realtooreal on Aug 3, 2011 10:08 AM PDT up reply actions  

Sounds alot better than

Bringing in alot of big name expensive linemen, teaching them the playbook, and praying these guys can gel in short time…..no thanks. We did pretty damn good in the league rushing last year with a weak line with no backups, we kept most of the strength of that line (minus Gallery) drafted some better talent and brought in some meat to compete.

by LaRaider on Aug 3, 2011 10:32 AM PDT up reply actions  

Good point

considering the allotted prep time caused by the lockout. …This is one time being wrong is welcomed.

by Realtooreal on Aug 3, 2011 5:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

? OL

The Raiders are practicng different much more focus and Steve Wisniewski is coaching them up. Thats the difference. They will be ready. I think they will pick-up a OT or OG with some experience before the preseason games start.

by bigmark l on Aug 3, 2011 5:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

OL ?

Yes addition by subtraction dude, we had the #2 rush off and the guys returning are young and know the system. except for Carlisle who had a decent 2010 is over 32. We will be fine, we built through the draft. Sometimes trying to buy a FA playoff team wont work. It rarely does. We good!

by bigmark l on Aug 3, 2011 5:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

Bingo

Bigsby is a safety who could allow us to use Huffy or Branch at CB in certain packages, and could come cheap unlike Asante or another Named CB.

by LaRaider on Aug 3, 2011 10:26 AM PDT up reply actions  

i like bigsby too

but samuel wouldnt fit with us, we are better of with what we got.

by RyanTheRaider on Aug 3, 2011 11:27 AM PDT up reply actions  

Dont forget

Were a running team. Running teams eat up O-line mens knees and ankles. We needed the depth. I kinda feel good about our WR’s after thinking about it. 2 WR set you got Schillens and either Ford/Murphy/or the Rookie ,and in the backfield with either Bush/Reece FB and Mcfadden, not to mention a TE (?). 3 WR set you still got Schillens, Murphy, and Ford or the Rook. Even with 5 WR’s all you do is put more speed on the field with DHB or Mcfadden. Heck for even more speed we can line Mcfadden up as WR and still have Taiwan in the backfield!

by LaRaider on Aug 3, 2011 8:56 AM PDT reply actions  

Not too mention...

Some DEADLY “WILD HOG” formations. DMAC, Bush, TJones, Ford….all could be in the backfield together….Take Bush out and put in DHB or DMoore and we can run an olympic relay race…..I would LOVE to see the Wild Hog formation for 3-5 plays a game.

by Gregg Milhaupt on Aug 3, 2011 9:19 AM PDT up reply actions  

Thats what im smelling

Speed! Speed everywhere! And now some much needed hands! You cant just gameplan to bracket Mcfadden and Miller anymore.

by LaRaider on Aug 3, 2011 10:23 AM PDT up reply actions  

Oh Yeah

We got options and weapons, we should score 30 pts a game.

by bigmark l on Aug 3, 2011 5:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

i think we should take a look at bryant mckinnie who the vikings cut

That Guy immediately becomes the best free agent available imo

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by Marcus Allen Krause on Aug 3, 2011 9:39 AM PDT via mobile reply actions  

I read that we were going to bring back Mario Henderson

but he’s very overweight…lol. I wonder what else can go wrong this offseason.

You know what would make a good story? Something about a clown who make people happy, but inside he's real sad. Also, he has severe diarrhea.

by Buster Bluth on Aug 3, 2011 9:42 AM PDT reply actions  

I'm going to make this clear to EVERYBODY on this site.

Once we found out that we were over the Cap by 15 to 20 Mill, we all knew things were going to be hard. We drafted linemen and CBs in order to prepare for People leaving.

Gallery left. Why? Because he thought he was worth 8 Million Per year. Oakland wanted him for 2. I guess he couldn’t be met at 5, and that the only reason why he was here for was fired because he was the root of getting the Team sued (Does ANYBODY remember the Press Conference? When you mess with Al’s money, you get cut…Exactly how it is on the streets.) He chose to leave.

Seymour was given 22 Mil. Overpaid? Yes. Needed? YES. We would be MUCH WORSE I’d Seymour Left and Nnamdi and Miller Stayed. Whoever says otherwise is an IDIOT.

Nnamdi left. Why? He wasn’t happy here, and he wanted to be with a winner. He didn’t have faith in the team.

Miller left. Why? He liked what he saw in Seattle, and was given a gracious offer. We would have been pissed if he got 7 mil per year from us.

Now, should we have tagged Miller? Yes. We didn’t. It was decided that Defense is more important. Did we think Miller was going to sign here? YES. However, it was a gamble we missed.

That being said, Let’s look at the OL now. Gallery is gone. Veldheer is here. Carlisle is here. Satele is here. Wizniewski is here. All we need is a Left Guard. But to say that this line is weaker than last year’s line is STUPID. We lave everybody but a RT…who wasn’t that good in Pass Protecting ANYWAY. All we needed was a LG. To say an Injured Gaither would be best to sign is retarded. Pay him, he gets flattened, he’s out for the season? DOES THAT MAKE ANY SENSE AT ALL? Huh?? We didn’t go after a guard; too much restructuring to do. And people were being overpaid in the past and NOT Delivering.

We need now, to sign Kevin Boss. OVERPAY HIM. Because Great Players only come to us when we overpay…does anybody notice that shit? I would pay him 7 – 8 mil per year. I would bring in an LB. 2 even. We haven’t heard anything about it…Rogers is gone, so we need to have faith (I can’t believe I am saying this) in Chris Johnson..HOPE he does what he did in 2008. We brought in Depth to our line, which was needed Horribly.

My point is, UNTIL the Free Agency Period ends, and I am Quoting Dan Fouts because it comes to that, QUIT YER BITCHING. Here is why:

1) Miller was our Key loss THAT CAN BE REPLACED. However, If Boss or Bo Scaife isn’t signed, I will be Pissed.

2) Other than Nnamdi, the defense is the SAME. We kept Huff. So..saying 1 Player makes our defense is Insulting to every other single player that played D for us last year.

3) Is our line weaker? Yes. Is it that much weaker? No, not really. Gallery CAN be replaced, which leads to my next point.

4) As stated before, NEXT MAN UP. We have players that can do it.

5) LET US NOT FORGET that It wasn’t Cable that changed the office; The man that did is OUR CURRENT HEAD COACH. So Do Not attest Cable to All of our success.

I better Get +15 for this post.

And one more thing: Oakland, Hoe. We Raider fans; we don’t cry.

In WHOEVER GIVES US THE WIN We Trust

by NFLanalyzerfromhome on Aug 3, 2011 9:43 AM PDT via mobile reply actions   1 recs

+1

except for the over paying Boss part, he can be had for less then miller and has said he would like to be here.

by RyanTheRaider on Aug 3, 2011 10:05 AM PDT up reply actions  

+1 except for spending so much on any FA or remaining unsigned player not named Michael Bush.

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by Sons-of-Blanda on Aug 3, 2011 10:39 AM PDT up reply actions  

+12

Nnamdi isn’t the biggest part but when you run man to man 90% of the time he is a big wheel. If we switch thing up more maybe we wouldn’t have to pay so much for corners.

by Micheal Y on Aug 3, 2011 10:46 AM PDT up reply actions  

and +2

Im sorry analyzer… you got +16 points. XD

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by Jack'sAxe on Aug 3, 2011 1:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

Cap Casualties

Yup, we didnt have the money to keep everyone no biggie. We have our core returning and a energetic and very smart coach. Our defense looks mean as a junkyard dog. Thanks to Seymour setting the example. we have a bully taking the field.

by bigmark l on Aug 3, 2011 5:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

+14 with a +1 poster option

The hard pill to swallow in all of this is that there are other front offices out there that were in a similar cap position and through creative management were able to get themselves under the cap to be able to be players in the market. I never expected us to go out and make a big splash or even compete with some of high spenders or big names out there. We have some obvious needs that have not really been addressed.

Nnamdi leaving was not a shock…as soon as the contract was voided I said my goodbyes. Same with Gallery…when I heard what he wanted I said my goodbyes. Miller was a shock because he seemed close to a deal before and after the lockout but Seattle gave him franchise tag type money for 5 years…I don’t blame him for leaving and I don’t blame Al for passing. Kevin Boss is a nice plan B if we can make it work in a sensible financial manor but as far as I have heard we are not pursuing him. Scaife doesn’t really do it for me unless its really cheap.

Saying our line is worse than last year isn’t stupid…for now all we have to go on is what’s on paper until we see the product on the field but for now…on paper…it does look worse and we haven’t done much to fix it. Hue talks about building a bully…well the guys we have don’t look like a bully to me…they look like they’re going to get bullied. I’m holding out hope that we bring in some camp casualties that make sense and hopefully competition brings out the best in everyone in camp.

I still think the biggest change from last season is the great coaching staff we have put in place…lots of energy and guys getting their hands dirty. I think there is a lot of experience and entheusiasm there.

I’m disappointed we haven’t addressed some of our needs by now and I hope those needs are addressed by the guys we have in camp now if we can’t go out and find some trash and turn it into treasure. I still think we have a great team with a lot of potential and some explosive firepower on both sides of the field.

You know what would make a good story? Something about a clown who make people happy, but inside he's real sad. Also, he has severe diarrhea.

by Buster Bluth on Aug 3, 2011 10:10 AM PDT reply actions  

+1

Hows our o-line worse than last years? Just about the same core of guys, some rookie potential, and some added dept. Thats alot more than last year when Gallery went down and the whole line had to be shook up. Add in the power blocking scheme, and we got ourselves a workable line with guys who are familiar with the playbook to bring along the rooks. Sounds alot better than last year to me where all we had was 1 rook being flopped at C then LT.

by LaRaider on Aug 3, 2011 10:21 AM PDT up reply actions  

+1

Yeah, Im confident this line can pick-up the power blocking scheme and be succesful.

by bigmark l on Aug 3, 2011 5:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

Kinda makes me happy...

ESPN’s Schefter says #Broncos won’t trade QB Orton; Hoge says Tebow’s accuracy “so disturbing” — has skill set of seventh-round pick

That and Ryan Matthews not passing Conditioning tests makes me smile :)

by Gregg Milhaupt on Aug 3, 2011 10:16 AM PDT reply actions  

I was hoping they'd trade Orton then realize how bad Tebow is and be screwed

I miss Josh McDaniels in Denver

You know what would make a good story? Something about a clown who make people happy, but inside he's real sad. Also, he has severe diarrhea.

by Buster Bluth on Aug 3, 2011 10:23 AM PDT up reply actions  

Josh Mcdaniels

Is my hero LOL. But I guess the only thing that could have made it better is them tradint Orton before realizing his accuracy is horrible.

by Gregg Milhaupt on Aug 3, 2011 10:26 AM PDT up reply actions  

Al Davis

needs to send this man some chocolates and roses for what he did to the donkeys!

by LaRaider on Aug 3, 2011 10:35 AM PDT up reply actions  

Punch the donkey
Slaughter the chief
Shave the bolt

GO RAIDERS.

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by DEBACLE OF MASS ERUPTION. on Aug 3, 2011 10:46 AM PDT up reply actions  

I still believe

that McDaniels was on our payroll for the past two years as a secret agent sent in by Al to destroy the Donkeys.

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by Screwfish on Aug 3, 2011 6:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

We need to replace leaving players...

John Herrera-“You goin shoppin’?”
Al Davis-“Fuck goin shoppin’!”

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by DEBACLE OF MASS ERUPTION. on Aug 3, 2011 10:31 AM PDT reply actions  

r.e. Bush

Something that seems to have gone undiscussed is what happens if we can’t afford to sign him because we are still over the cap. If anyone has some insight into how this conundrum can be solved please step forward.

We did free up some cap room with the Wimberley deal but surely a certain proportion of that has already been spent on our quartet of non-descript new OL guys.

by animal_mutha on Aug 3, 2011 2:29 PM PDT reply actions  

Some guy on Just Blog Baby is reporting we are 17 mil over the cap

that seems highly unlikely that we increased our salary with restructuring and not signing anybody all other reports have said we are fine on cap now. We should be able to resign Bush and if not I believe we get a pick

by Trho14 on Aug 3, 2011 2:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

The more I read the more confused I become....

ESPN reckons we are only mildly screwed but Justblogbaby believes we are seriously screwed ( http://justblogbaby.com/2011/08/03/raiders-are-17-million-in-the-red/ ) new league yer begins tomorrow and we must comply with the new rules by then. Oh joy.

Also anyone have the lowdown on Huff’s new deal?

by animal_mutha on Aug 3, 2011 3:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

the cap situation is brokedown in the comment section here, its a little towards the bottom

http://www.silverandblackpride.com/2011/8/2/2340290/miller-is-a-seahawk

from what i understand its like this, we are over the cap right now because of dead money, but when the new cap kicks in, dead money created before march 4th will not count against the cap, which will free up alot of money.We also freed up some money by restructuring Wimbleys deal.

by RyanTheRaider on Aug 3, 2011 4:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

Dead Money

dead money wont count this year and we can borrow up to 3 mill against next year. Im not sure how that works but last time I heard Raiders had a little wiggle room around 8 mill give or take 1 mill. I heard this off of B/R not sure what article.

by bigmark l on Aug 3, 2011 5:48 PM PDT reply actions  

r.e. dead money

I think the point of dead money is this – how can you sign players on multi-year deals if you know next year your cap room is going to be more restricted than it is now?

With all the borrowings against future years you are just exacerbating the problem. I think this is one of the big reasons the likes of ZM and NA were not offered deals. Even if you could just squeeze them in this year, what happens in 2012?

by animal_mutha on Aug 4, 2011 2:48 AM PDT reply actions  

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