Is Oakland Raiders Offensive Line Really Set?
by Rich Langford on Aug 30, 2011 5:01 AM PDT
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PrintHue Jackson isn't in to revealing much, but—on Monday—when he said of the offensive line, "I’m not going to tell you I’m set, but I’m definitely moving in that direction," some took this as a sign that the group that started on Sunday against the Saints would be the starting line in Week One.
That line was, from left to right, Jared Veldheer,Stefen Wisniewski, Samson Satele, Cooper Carlisle, and Khalif Barnes. I am not convinced this will be the starting group in week one.
Stephon Heyer replaced Barnes early on Sunday. Heyer recently came back from an injury and I think he has a very real chance of taking Barnes spot in that starting lineup. To his credit, Barnes looked much better last weekend. However, that wasn't hard to do. The only time Barnes looked swift in the first two weeks was when he was jumping offsides. Jump over for more....
Barnes hasn't been getting a good push in the run game and he struggles to gain any leverage. I am not going to sit here and say I have a great read on Heyer at right tackle, but my initial thoughts are he looks better in the run game. Both guys may be too susceptible to a strong outside pass rush. But I have seen Barnes struggle enough that I would prefer to see Heyer starting.
As for the rest of the guys, I think they probably are set. Bruce Campbell is looking pretty good at right guard though. I imagine he will win that starting spot before the season's end.
Overall, I feel much better about this group then I did before the preseason. Wisniewski looked solid last weekend and that is a huge upgrade over Loper. Satele looks better than ever at center, Carlisle is still Carlisle and Veldheer has shown flashes of brilliance. I expect he will still give up a few sacks to speed rushers, but he looks better prepared to handle this job than last year.
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I would have voted Heyer if the poll was who should start
I’m just not convinced that they’ll bench Barnes. I’ll believe when I see it.
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I Beg To Differ....Or Should I Post I Beg The Starter To Differ!!!...
Stephon Heyer was brought in for a reason as was Smiley before he slithered out into retirement and it wasn’t just to make competition…So I think if the man can do it and do it better than Barns he will get the nod…
I'm grateful for this poll, and the way it's developing and that Hue might notice it,
My hope remains that Lanston Walker, that unsung roadgrader, will be resigned. Barnes shows some minimal pass blocking skills but is worthless in our potentially awesome rushing game. Heyer has played well in preseason at both G and OT.
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I really like what I have seen from Heyer
At this point I think it’s unlikely that Barnes does not start week 1
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POll
I voted Barnes based upon seeing him warm up with the number one line Sunday and start the game. Like many others, not my choice either. Heyer was pretty heads up or had dumb luck in catching the deflected pass and getting some yards too.
both dumb luck and heads up play
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by Marcus Allen Krause on Aug 30, 2011 9:18 AM PDT up reply actions
Awareness!
That’s why its a stat in video games LOL! But seriously it is an intangible that is tough to measure but very valuable.
Heyer looked more stout
But I think we should try Barksdale in there at sometime. He’s a rookie but he had some plays in second string that looked really dominate.
I think that Barksdale is sort of on the back burner.
He has looked good at times but occasionally shows he’s a rookie. With as promising as he appears, I think he might become a starter as the season progresses, but will not start initially.
by RaiderPsycho on Aug 30, 2011 3:55 PM PDT up reply actions
What about Barksdale??!
I like Heyer. He has shown come good work, and he’s got Vet experience. Do I like it even more that he went to Maryland, was at the Redskins, and didn’t fit into the ZBS that the ShitNannahans brought in? Yes I do. However I think the eventual line will be..
Veldheer, Heyer or Barksdale, Wiz, Campbell, Heyer or Barksdale.. Carlisle and Satele let Bulger get squashed. Those 2 must be separated. They just expose each others Weakness.
time and time again
We see KB get penalty after penalty and nothing ever changes with him. He is doing ok In pre season but he has yet to face any threats for a whole game. Bench him.
by blacksamurai33 on Aug 30, 2011 9:15 AM PDT via mobile reply actions
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You know AL & Hue want this Seattle preseason game
there will be a little revenge factor between Hue & Tom w/Gallery & Zach in the mix as well.
by rnpljnsn on Aug 30, 2011 9:34 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
we should blow up their oline
and get RO to destroy miller
by RyanTheRaider on Aug 30, 2011 5:01 PM PDT up reply actions
thats good that they not playing,let them 2 sit it out and rest up because we sure are going to need them in denver come sept 12.
by youngbeto1 on Aug 30, 2011 1:41 PM PDT via iPhone app up reply actions
meh, we only really need them by week 3.
we could beat Denver and Buffallo with Jamarcus at this point
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by AlDavis4Prez on Aug 30, 2011 1:51 PM PDT up reply actions
Mr. Bruce Campbell
could end up starting at right tackle at some point. He is progressing very well, maybe too well to play RG.
I have no problem with the Raiders being 4 deep at the OT positions.
who's our back up at LT?
Veld is doing solid work. who’s up if something happens. Barnes? Heyer?
by raiders4liffe on Aug 30, 2011 9:37 AM PDT up reply actions
BC will probably beat out Coop before the end of the season.
Coop better stay healthy because BC replaces him to injury, I don’t believe Coop will make it back. I say this because I think the Raiders are building themselves through the draft and have a vision for the people they have drafted.
by RaiderPsycho on Aug 30, 2011 4:00 PM PDT up reply actions
I have only seen Heyer at RG though, or was it RT on that deflection reception first down?
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cuts announced today.....
Waived FB Bryson Kelly, OL Ben Lamaak, WR Damola Adeniji, WR Steve Goulet, S Josh Bullocks, DT Derrick Hill and waived/injured Lou Eliades
Let Hope We're One Of the 6..
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OLine starting to come togther
more important than Mr. Heyer’s catch was his and Mr. Carlisle’s key blocks on Mr. Independence for Taiwan’s TD run.
Vehldeer Wisniewski Satele Carlisle Barnes/Heyer
Barksdale Loper Schuening Campbell
Wand Parsons
now down to the final twelve, no real surprises on the cuts of Mr. Lamaak (though he is still listed on the unofficial depth chart) & Mr. Eliades
Heyer will fight for the job, but more importantly...
when has anything said by the coaches in that manner ever really meant shit for this team? lol
I don’t think his saying that will have any bearing on what is ultimately settled upon, but it’s pretty clear who looks best thus far. The other tackle position is just up in the air.
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Barnes & Heyer
Both have played well, barnes seems more disciplined then ever before, i haven’t heard any bad play, attitude , work ethic or especially PENALTIES. I think he really wants it, and maybe he might get it, but hats off to him, he has played very well and he seems improved. On the other hand i gotta give props to heyer, the guy is amazing, what can i say? big boy can run. hes physical and i really never heard anything bad about him either, i like hes style of play and how physical he is on the line, now thats a Raider. Whether if barnes starts or heyer i would be glad either way since both have played well.
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