Oakland Raider's Personnel Packaging 2011: Brhynno's Charting on Both Sides of the Ball, Starting with the O in the O.co
by brhynno on Aug 8, 2011 5:30 PM PDT
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Well, Nation, the time has come! As promised, I plan to chart personnel groupings, formations, who, what, where, when, and how, on both sides of the ball, and will be doing so for the most part from my seats in the center of the Black Hole--a vantage point Pat Kirwan points out is supreme for analysis. This will serve as much an education for myself as I hope it does for all of the great football minds that comprise the most educated I have had the good fortune to happen upon on the world wide web. I have never coached organized ball, but hope to someday give back the passion I have for this game to the youth; my own understanding of X's and O's has been extremely enriched in our in depth discussions here, and I look forward to that continuing. Now, onto the nitty gritty.
While much of it was picked up watching our Raiders over the years, playing Madden since it was on Sega Genesis way back when, and listening to SiriusXM radio almost non-stop for years now, it was perhaps most refined reading books and journals everywhere. One title worth getting on this subject, is Pat Kirwan's "Take Your Eye Off the Ball," which can be found HERE. Take the jump, fellas. This is going to be good fun. I promise!
Most of us here know good and well our Oakland Raiders run primarily what coaches commonly refer to as "21 personnel." Simply, the initial 2 in the equation stands for the amount of backs on the field, and the second number, to the tight ends. This dictates the amount of receivers in turn, because when you do the math for the eleven players allowed on field during any given snap, with two backs and one tight end, you'll have two tackles, two guards, your center, and your quarterback, leaving two wideouts.
By the same token, some single back formations will also find two wideouts, as in "12" personnel groupings, or one back, and two TEs, or "11," meaning one and one, rarely, if ever seen with our Raiders, who, unlike many other teams in the league, as a rule, employ an old school, lead-blocking full back, and you can bet said FB will be absolutely employed in the passing game, not just as a checkdown outlet, but as a deep and red zone threat.
The below diagram from this RANDOM LINK, shows lots of the many possiblities; the internet, fortunately has more info. than you'll ever care to peruse from football geeks like you and I, so feel free to explore others:
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Personnel Package
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RBs
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TEs
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WRs
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0
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0
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0
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5
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1
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0
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1
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4
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2
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0
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2
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3
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3
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0
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3
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2
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10
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1
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0
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4
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11
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1
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1
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3
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12
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1
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2
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2
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13
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1
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3
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1
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20
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2
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3
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21
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2
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1
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2
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22
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2
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2
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1
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23
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2
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3
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Table 1: Personnel Packages Based on Numerical Names
Many of today's pass to set up the run offenses like the New England Patriots and Indianapolis Colts run mostly 11 personnel groupings, allowing three prolific wide receivers to run all types of crossing and rub-routes, designed to cause covering defenses to collide therein creating seams in zones and creating space in tight man coverages. I'm hoping to see some of this worked into our offense, but it's not likely we'll do much of anything that takes Marcel "the beast" Reece off the field, and probably rightfully so.
I have seen huge possiblities with the additions of the big and fast David Ausberry, drafted as a wideout but boasting a TE profile. We see also what the addition of an explosively fast guy like Taiwan Jones can do, because if you thought you were going to dedicate double teams to the McFaddens, Reeces, or Jacoby Ford's, you'd think twice after Taiwan Jones motioned from left slot to right slot without anyone coming across the field to greet him when the ball is snapped. Pretty exciting, right?
Perhaps the most notable exotic package the Raiders dialed up often in 2010 was the jumbo package, wherein OT Khalif Barnes is made eligible as an add'l TE, and we cannot forget the touchdown catch where he walked wide open into the end zone. What we may not remember, is that this package was dialed up quite a bit, right around the time Hue began to build around the strengths of his team--namely Darren McFadden--using the power blocking system and calling plays that didn't require Darren to juke or cut once the ball was in his hands; the plays that just required him to hit that second gear through holes a Mack truck could drive through found him stiff arming dudes at the second level and in the secondary, where I'll always recall that great quote from Jack Del Rio regarding the rare talent that is DMac. "The guys fast enough to catch him, aren't strong enough to bring him down." Here it is, just because it's fun to watch again:
Of course, we still have two backs on the field still, in a goal line version of jumbo personnel, no wideouts, two TEs, and Khalif the third, with Myers motioning from the left side to the right in that one. Listen closely to Solomon Wilcots, one of my faves, noting "the fake," which worked so well because we did this multiple times in this game netting huge runs prior to this play. Listen also after the score, to Wilcots giving props to Hue, "understanding the talents of his team." Did I mention I love that man?
Here it is again, wherein Khalif tries to pick up a nice first down on the opposite side, again, wide effing open, in the Seattle shellacking. I think this play was intended to be a run, but Jason improvised:
So, there will be more to come on this, Nation, and I'll be doing both sides of the ball as well! Preseason will have my hands full, as those games don't see starting personnel for many series at all, but increasingly as the games progress. I expect to get them finished and posted by Wednesday or Thursday of most weeks following Sunday games. Again, this has been an ongoing education for me, as well, and any and all input is greatly appreciated. This is about us understanding our football team, and it has been my great honor to learn alongside all of you, here, more than ever. I'm expecting Hue to get exotic this time around, not often, but when it counts. Any predictions on what we might see, Nation?
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I haven't read the article yet,
but I have to stop to give big ups on the nod to Khalif “the secret weapon” Barnes
Eventually, all things merge into one, and a river runs through it.
This is a great initiative Brhyjo
Excellent article and it is clear everyone’s football IQ will benefit.
I expect more 3 wide sets this year purely due to the depth of talant at the position but I get the impression we will mix it up a lot. I am sure noon and Saint have a better idea about this but journalistic integrity my prohibit them from saying too much ;)
"Anytime you have an organization and an owner that wants to win as badly as Al Davis wants to win, and will spend the money to win, I don’t think you have as many barriers as you think. Those are easy. The ones that would be tough is where you didn’t have any good players and you had an owner or an organization that didn’t want to spend any money to get good players." - John Madden, 2008
"We’re going to be a tough, rugged football team that walks with a swagger and plays the way the Raiders used to play." Hue Jackson
RAW IS PUNK! WWE ZACKDOWN!!!
I can talk X's and O's 'til the cow's come home! The pleasure will be all mine!
I’m also hoping to see some 3 wide sets, but it will be interesting to see who has to come off the field to make it happen. I have great success using DMac from single back formations, and also kill some play action with three wideouts after I exhaust Darren. Much depends on how the O line comes together, however…
"tough times call for perseverance and a tough mind. I have been told that I can't play football before. We all know what happened with that. #neverquit"--Mark Herzlich
""The massive Raider Nation is beyond doubt the sleaziest and rudest and most sinister mob of thugs and wackos ever assembled."--Hunter S. Thompson
I think you just hit the nail on the head
It is all about the O-line. The Raiders kept the most blockers in per play of every team last year. Part of this is that they like to throw deep, but most of that is because their lineman blow at pass blocking. It really limits what the O can do.
Another big thing limiting the 3 wide receiver sets is that why take out one of the backs for the third receiver. Hopefully the receivers develop to make this a better option, but as it is now, I’d rather have one of the backs splitting out wide and hoping for a mismatch.
I think another big factor in this is that last year in passing situations you never wanted to keep Miller into block. He was the teams best wide receiver. That led to the Raiders using two TEs or the Khalif position to help with protection. While this team will still want Boss in his share of passing routes, I imagine he will stay back and block a time or two more than Miller did.
Eventually, all things merge into one, and a river runs through it.
by Rich Langford on Aug 8, 2011 11:47 PM PDT up reply actions
and Boss is very effective at chipping and getting open
another of my fave plays in Madden, often with my FB doing a circle route after chipping a guy, and I had Zach chipping someone and going down and out. Someone is always open, and you escaped and found some time to whichever side of the field had least pressure, and throwing across your body off your back foot was cool because it was just a toss to the TE or back usually alone somewhere. Can’t wait to one day and sit and do this in person! Maybe we can have round table with Jim Otto or Fred Biletnikoff!
Biekert’s a real student of the game, and would be equally amazing, as would Mr. Woodson. I’m a defensive guy by nature, but I think the emphasis Hue will bring on explosive offense, and how that almost ensures your defense is great, have me starting by focusing on O, but I’ll go in much greater depth by nature on defensive schemes, the impostors, and how it all works.
Loving Rod’s quote about Nnamdi, and getting our guys now to “pull the trigger.” I love gun metaphors…
"tough times call for perseverance and a tough mind. I have been told that I can't play football before. We all know what happened with that. #neverquit"--Mark Herzlich
""The massive Raider Nation is beyond doubt the sleaziest and rudest and most sinister mob of thugs and wackos ever assembled."--Hunter S. Thompson
It reminds me of The Beatles
Happiness is a warm gun—bang, bang, shoot, shoot"
Eventually, all things merge into one, and a river runs through it.
by Rich Langford on Aug 9, 2011 1:24 PM PDT up reply actions
in Madden. lolz
"tough times call for perseverance and a tough mind. I have been told that I can't play football before. We all know what happened with that. #neverquit"--Mark Herzlich
""The massive Raider Nation is beyond doubt the sleaziest and rudest and most sinister mob of thugs and wackos ever assembled."--Hunter S. Thompson
Haha yeah
I use Dmc out of jumbo sets and singleback and double TE sets a lot. I have found that even if the know what’s coming as long as you put body’s on everyone RUN Dmc will make positive yards
"Anytime you have an organization and an owner that wants to win as badly as Al Davis wants to win, and will spend the money to win, I don’t think you have as many barriers as you think. Those are easy. The ones that would be tough is where you didn’t have any good players and you had an owner or an organization that didn’t want to spend any money to get good players." - John Madden, 2008
"We’re going to be a tough, rugged football team that walks with a swagger and plays the way the Raiders used to play." Hue Jackson
RAW IS PUNK! WWE ZACKDOWN!!!
I can honestly say I didn't get a good feel for the packages they'll be running.
It was all very situational when I was there. I will say, and I’ve seen others say this—so I am guessing it is no big deal, that there was lots of plays with pre snap motion.
Eventually, all things merge into one, and a river runs through it.
by Rich Langford on Aug 8, 2011 11:36 PM PDT up reply actions
The Comets
Call this set “Navy”. We can lose a wideout and bring in another TE. Provided the running game is going smoothly(preferably the zone run), when we use a cross motion, thr Mike will bite without fail.
Refuse to tiptoe through life only to arrive safely at death
"In Khalif lies a legit weapon"
If Jason just loosens up and starts spreading the ball around, he’s gonna rack up points like a hot pinball machine. We’ve got so much speed with soft hands now that Oakland will draw the attention of QBs around the league and in college who will be thinking, "Damn, I’d throw for 350 every week with so many targets.
S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
"I made a trade for Seymour. ..I thought it was a great trade. Still do. [Al Davis 1/2011]
Patience advances a man to better times.
I like it
and that is a beautiful notion in itself, for gunslingers league-wide—and NATIONWIDE—to drool at the prospect of being a Raider.
“Damn, I’d throw for 350 every week with so many targets.”
"tough times call for perseverance and a tough mind. I have been told that I can't play football before. We all know what happened with that. #neverquit"--Mark Herzlich
""The massive Raider Nation is beyond doubt the sleaziest and rudest and most sinister mob of thugs and wackos ever assembled."--Hunter S. Thompson
I voted for endless possibilities cause that's what we got.
With the tools we have and a mind like Hue working with them, we could have an offense to rival the 99 Rams (Still the greatest offense of my lifetime IMO).
We could run everything from a triple option with Slash/Dash/Bash in the backfield, to an empty backfield with Ford/Murphy/Moore/Chaz/Dick Hands or DMC/Jones, to 2TE sets with Boss and Ausberry, to…oh God, I’m drooling thinking about it.
"In football, I root for the Oakland Raiders because they hire castoffs, outlaws, malcontents, and fuck -ups, they have lots of penalties, fights, and paybacks, and because Al Davis told the rest of the pig NFL owners to go get fucked. Someday, the Raiders will be strong again, and they will dip the ball in shit and shove it down the throats of the wholesome, white, heartland teams that pray together and don't deliver late hits." - George Carlin.
Indeed, and you just went off the chart with 3-0 and 3-1 personnel packages
S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
"I made a trade for Seymour. ..I thought it was a great trade. Still do. [Al Davis 1/2011]
Patience advances a man to better times.
by Sons-of-Blanda on Aug 8, 2011 8:18 PM PDT up reply actions
Oh man, the triple makes me drool... prob more likely we see the empties with some shotgun tho
especially if there are some go for the endzone sitches where we got nothing to lose, but instead of a prayer Hail Mary, allz we gotta do is get it into the hands of one of these playmakers… or just dudes who make plays they’re supposed to make!
"tough times call for perseverance and a tough mind. I have been told that I can't play football before. We all know what happened with that. #neverquit"--Mark Herzlich
""The massive Raider Nation is beyond doubt the sleaziest and rudest and most sinister mob of thugs and wackos ever assembled."--Hunter S. Thompson
n I think Slash, Dash, and Gash, just became Slash (Darren), Dash (Taiwan), Bash (Bush), and Gash (Reece)
nice work Saint and Screw!
"tough times call for perseverance and a tough mind. I have been told that I can't play football before. We all know what happened with that. #neverquit"--Mark Herzlich
""The massive Raider Nation is beyond doubt the sleaziest and rudest and most sinister mob of thugs and wackos ever assembled."--Hunter S. Thompson
99 Rams???
Let’s settle down people, might be time for a cold shower lmao :)
"Anytime you have an organization and an owner that wants to win as badly as Al Davis wants to win, and will spend the money to win, I don’t think you have as many barriers as you think. Those are easy. The ones that would be tough is where you didn’t have any good players and you had an owner or an organization that didn’t want to spend any money to get good players." - John Madden, 2008
"We’re going to be a tough, rugged football team that walks with a swagger and plays the way the Raiders used to play." Hue Jackson
RAW IS PUNK! WWE ZACKDOWN!!!
by Ozraider on Aug 8, 2011 8:35 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
lol. but I do like the other phrase Saint coined, in asking the question:
the greatest show on dirt?
"tough times call for perseverance and a tough mind. I have been told that I can't play football before. We all know what happened with that. #neverquit"--Mark Herzlich
""The massive Raider Nation is beyond doubt the sleaziest and rudest and most sinister mob of thugs and wackos ever assembled."--Hunter S. Thompson
I'll second that
:)
"Anytime you have an organization and an owner that wants to win as badly as Al Davis wants to win, and will spend the money to win, I don’t think you have as many barriers as you think. Those are easy. The ones that would be tough is where you didn’t have any good players and you had an owner or an organization that didn’t want to spend any money to get good players." - John Madden, 2008
"We’re going to be a tough, rugged football team that walks with a swagger and plays the way the Raiders used to play." Hue Jackson
RAW IS PUNK! WWE ZACKDOWN!!!
Give Me Another Weapon...My Boy Pryor!!!
Mon, 08 Aug 2011 14:07:25 -0700
The NFL has announced the 2011 Supplemental Draft will occur Wednesday, Aug. 17, but no players have been ruled eligible for the draft at this point.
lol
ur killin’ me with this!
No to Terrelle here, still for me. Sorry PantyRaider!
Not even worth a third, which is looking like what he’d garner, if eligible.
"tough times call for perseverance and a tough mind. I have been told that I can't play football before. We all know what happened with that. #neverquit"--Mark Herzlich
""The massive Raider Nation is beyond doubt the sleaziest and rudest and most sinister mob of thugs and wackos ever assembled."--Hunter S. Thompson
You honestly dont think he is worth a third?
If he doesnt pass the ball he catches it. We did just lose Zack.
Dangerously? Yea.
by TooShort2Play on Aug 9, 2011 2:18 AM PDT up reply actions
Raiders suck at developing qb talent where it isn't
"tough times call for perseverance and a tough mind. I have been told that I can't play football before. We all know what happened with that. #neverquit"--Mark Herzlich
""The massive Raider Nation is beyond doubt the sleaziest and rudest and most sinister mob of thugs and wackos ever assembled."--Hunter S. Thompson
Maybe next year. I think they got their hands full with what they've got now
most def, a full plate, sos to speak.
"tough times call for perseverance and a tough mind. I have been told that I can't play football before. We all know what happened with that. #neverquit"--Mark Herzlich
""The massive Raider Nation is beyond doubt the sleaziest and rudest and most sinister mob of thugs and wackos ever assembled."--Hunter S. Thompson
There are so many QBs in the draft next year
that are better passers than Pryor, and thats what i want at QB.Matt Barkley,Landry Jones,Kirk Cousins,Nick Foles,Chandler Harnish,and Luck who we have no chance at.If we want a fast QB than we should get Robert Griffin from Baylor later in the draft, hes faster than Pryor and a better passer imo
by RyanTheRaider on Aug 8, 2011 8:46 PM PDT up reply actions
What Will It Cost...1st Rd Pick??...
This boy is cheap and possible available now with tremendous up side and also versatility…He has not only the arm but also the legs/hands/speed to go with it which at 6’6" 230# is a very rear commodity…
depend on who we get
it could be a 1st all the way to a 5th.But these guys are all better passers than pryor, and he can go as high as a 3rd.
by RyanTheRaider on Aug 8, 2011 9:27 PM PDT up reply actions
So You Wait Til Next Season Hoping To Get A Good Prospect And Than Start His Initial Prep...
Why when that prospect may be here now and partially developed by the start of next season…
Pryor wont be ready to play QB for several years
if he ever does play QB
by RyanTheRaider on Aug 8, 2011 9:31 PM PDT up reply actions
RGIII seems a better prospect. TP gets good results in college but his throwing mechanics are atrocious
S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
"I made a trade for Seymour. ..I thought it was a great trade. Still do. [Al Davis 1/2011]
Patience advances a man to better times.
by Sons-of-Blanda on Aug 8, 2011 9:32 PM PDT up reply actions
There were Others Who Were Rejcted By The NFL -n- Came Back To Surprise -n- Shin!!!...
Warren Moon
Doug Flutie
Are his mechanics that bad to dismiss his natural althetic ability?
Are his mechanics really all that bad at all?
Dangerously? Yea.
by TooShort2Play on Aug 9, 2011 2:27 AM PDT up reply actions
NO -n- Not All Reports Even Make An Issue There....
Retired “QB” Anderson who is working with him said most of that’s due to him making something out of nothing when on the move and throwing off the wrong foot while not being set….He still keeps his eyes downfield looking for a target to uncover which is a good trait…
Yes
watch his highlight video, there horrible.Pretty much everybody is saying he shouldnt be a QB.
by RyanTheRaider on Aug 9, 2011 10:53 AM PDT up reply actions
I would rather draft Robert Griffin III
if we were to get a project QB,better passer than Pryor and hes faster
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IZsQWIoC1Ic
by RyanTheRaider on Aug 8, 2011 8:56 PM PDT up reply actions
RyanTheScout, I'm on board with RGIII
S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
"I made a trade for Seymour. ..I thought it was a great trade. Still do. [Al Davis 1/2011]
Patience advances a man to better times.
by Sons-of-Blanda on Aug 8, 2011 9:16 PM PDT up reply actions
This guy is fast
and when i say fast i mean FAST!
“In track, he broke state records for the 110-meter and 300-meter hurdles. He ran the 110-meter hurdles in 13.55 seconds, and the 300-meter hurdles in 35.33 seconds. The 300-hurdles time was one-hundredth of a second short of breaking the national high school record. He was also a gold medalist in the 110 and 400-meter hurdles on the AAU track and field circuit. He sprinted 13.46 in the 110-meter hurdles and 49.56 in the 400-meter hurdles as a junior in high school. In 2007, as a junior, he was rated the No. 1 high school 400-meter immediate hurdler in the country, and was tied at No. 1 for the 110-meter sprint hurdler in the nation. "
by RyanTheRaider on Aug 8, 2011 9:32 PM PDT up reply actions
Al should be made aware of this
S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
"I made a trade for Seymour. ..I thought it was a great trade. Still do. [Al Davis 1/2011]
Patience advances a man to better times.
by Sons-of-Blanda on Aug 8, 2011 9:34 PM PDT up reply actions
I still think Al has as many track star coach connections as football ones
he’s waaay ahead of us on anybody that fast. But I think he cares more now if they also can ball, and not otherwise.
"tough times call for perseverance and a tough mind. I have been told that I can't play football before. We all know what happened with that. #neverquit"--Mark Herzlich
""The massive Raider Nation is beyond doubt the sleaziest and rudest and most sinister mob of thugs and wackos ever assembled."--Hunter S. Thompson
I know absolutely nothing about this guy but if he is that fast I say sign him up!
"Anytime you have an organization and an owner that wants to win as badly as Al Davis wants to win, and will spend the money to win, I don’t think you have as many barriers as you think. Those are easy. The ones that would be tough is where you didn’t have any good players and you had an owner or an organization that didn’t want to spend any money to get good players." - John Madden, 2008
"We’re going to be a tough, rugged football team that walks with a swagger and plays the way the Raiders used to play." Hue Jackson
RAW IS PUNK! WWE ZACKDOWN!!!
he is definitely fast!
"Anytime you have an organization and an owner that wants to win as badly as Al Davis wants to win, and will spend the money to win, I don’t think you have as many barriers as you think. Those are easy. The ones that would be tough is where you didn’t have any good players and you had an owner or an organization that didn’t want to spend any money to get good players." - John Madden, 2008
"We’re going to be a tough, rugged football team that walks with a swagger and plays the way the Raiders used to play." Hue Jackson
RAW IS PUNK! WWE ZACKDOWN!!!
under center dropback footwork reminds me of jamarcus...
he’s fast… i might question the arm strength a little… seemed like most the long ones were pretty loftily thrown… i dunno… i give it a maybe… depends what else is available
Takes More Than Just Raw Speed...Pryor Has Feet That Dart In -n- Out Making Defenders Miss Along With That Speed...
He also has the hands of a “WR” in the body of a “TE” n is a proven winner with a 31-n-4 victory record while posting a 157.9 Rating as a Jr and twice MVP of bowl games…
Awards and honors
2007 Hall Trophy (U.S. Army Player of the Year)24
2007 PARADE National Player of the Year and All-American25
2008 Pete Dawkins Trophy (U.S. Army All-American Bowl MVP)
2008 U.S. Army All-American MVP
2008 Big Ten Freshman of the Year (coaches)26
2008 All-Big Ten Honorable Mention (media)26
2009 Tostitos Fiesta Bowl Sportsmanship Award
2009 Big Ten Preseason Player of the Year
2009 All-Big Ten Honorable Mention (media)
2010 Rose Bowl MVP
2010 All-Big Ten Honorable Mention (coaches and media)
2010 Big Ten MVP runner-up
2011 Miller-Digby Award
RG3
is a better passer than pryor,we dont need a QB with hands of a wr or the body of a TE, we need a QB that can throw the ball.Im not saying we should take him, but if we are going to get a fast QB, i want one that can throw and actually play the QB position.
by RyanTheRaider on Aug 9, 2011 10:52 AM PDT up reply actions
We could take TP this year and pick up RG3 next year. Just don't sign TP for a long term deal
then let them compete for one of the 3 QB slots. Or, if Jason goes deep south on us, keep them both.
S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
"I made a trade for Seymour. ..I thought it was a great trade. Still do. [Al Davis 1/2011]
Patience advances a man to better times.
by Sons-of-Blanda on Aug 9, 2011 12:00 PM PDT up reply actions
I would be fine with that
if pryor wasnt expected to go for a 3rd, maybe a 5th.
by RyanTheRaider on Aug 9, 2011 12:54 PM PDT up reply actions
Eweww Pryor
I’d rather we resign JaBustus, at least with him there’s no false hope…and hes got enough fat to join the roster as a O lineman/waterboy.
"In football, I root for the Oakland Raiders because they hire castoffs, outlaws, malcontents, and f*ck -ups, they have lots of penalties, fights, and paybacks, and because Al Davis told the rest of the pig NFL owners to go get f*cked... Someday, the Raiders will be strong again, and they will dip the ball in **** and shove it down the throats of the wholesome, white, heartland teams that pray together and don't deliver late hits"
– George Carlin
by AlDavis4Prez on Aug 8, 2011 9:28 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Don't even joke about that.
"In football, I root for the Oakland Raiders because they hire castoffs, outlaws, malcontents, and fuck -ups, they have lots of penalties, fights, and paybacks, and because Al Davis told the rest of the pig NFL owners to go get fucked. Someday, the Raiders will be strong again, and they will dip the ball in shit and shove it down the throats of the wholesome, white, heartland teams that pray together and don't deliver late hits." - George Carlin.
Yes. take your right hand.... clench it into a fist
and punch yourself in the face, hard, right now, for saying that…
the end.
"tough times call for perseverance and a tough mind. I have been told that I can't play football before. We all know what happened with that. #neverquit"--Mark Herzlich
""The massive Raider Nation is beyond doubt the sleaziest and rudest and most sinister mob of thugs and wackos ever assembled."--Hunter S. Thompson
but we get the point...and agree on Pryor
but, yeah, don’t even joke about that.
"tough times call for perseverance and a tough mind. I have been told that I can't play football before. We all know what happened with that. #neverquit"--Mark Herzlich
""The massive Raider Nation is beyond doubt the sleaziest and rudest and most sinister mob of thugs and wackos ever assembled."--Hunter S. Thompson
the face punch helped, but srsly...
Jamarcus Russell at fullback? omg imagine the possibilities!
"In football, I root for the Oakland Raiders because they hire castoffs, outlaws, malcontents, and f*ck -ups, they have lots of penalties, fights, and paybacks, and because Al Davis told the rest of the pig NFL owners to go get f*cked... Someday, the Raiders will be strong again, and they will dip the ball in **** and shove it down the throats of the wholesome, white, heartland teams that pray together and don't deliver late hits"
– George Carlin
by AlDavis4Prez on Aug 8, 2011 11:40 PM PDT up reply actions
at this stage i think he is more like a T
"Anytime you have an organization and an owner that wants to win as badly as Al Davis wants to win, and will spend the money to win, I don’t think you have as many barriers as you think. Those are easy. The ones that would be tough is where you didn’t have any good players and you had an owner or an organization that didn’t want to spend any money to get good players." - John Madden, 2008
"We’re going to be a tough, rugged football team that walks with a swagger and plays the way the Raiders used to play." Hue Jackson
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Come on, dude.
You see the fat cunt putting his body on the line to block? Or even being able to stop a speed rusher?
"In football, I root for the Oakland Raiders because they hire castoffs, outlaws, malcontents, and fuck -ups, they have lots of penalties, fights, and paybacks, and because Al Davis told the rest of the pig NFL owners to go get fucked. Someday, the Raiders will be strong again, and they will dip the ball in shit and shove it down the throats of the wholesome, white, heartland teams that pray together and don't deliver late hits." - George Carlin.
?
Been in the cold tub, taking care of their bodies.
S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
"I made a trade for Seymour. ..I thought it was a great trade. Still do. [Al Davis 1/2011]
Patience advances a man to better times.
by Sons-of-Blanda on Aug 8, 2011 9:18 PM PDT up reply actions
he gave up too much information
i guess the nick name Screw gave him, Dick Hands fits really well. lol
by RyanTheRaider on Aug 8, 2011 9:28 PM PDT up reply actions
ohhh. this.
just a misquote I’m thinking. Has to be.
"tough times call for perseverance and a tough mind. I have been told that I can't play football before. We all know what happened with that. #neverquit"--Mark Herzlich
""The massive Raider Nation is beyond doubt the sleaziest and rudest and most sinister mob of thugs and wackos ever assembled."--Hunter S. Thompson
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Coach Jackson August 8 Transcript
Posted 26 minutes ago
Head Coach Hue Jackson spoke to the media after the tenth practice of training camp.
Coach Jackson speaks to the media after practice. Photo by Tony Gonzales.
Q: Darrius (Heyward-Bey) out there today, he was in the session for the first time, he did some things; how do you think he looked though?
Coach Jackson: He looked like a guy who is getting ready. He did some good things, caught some balls, getting back in the swing of it, and it is good to have him back out there. Another pair of veteran legs and he looked good. I mean I was glad to see the production. The quarterbacks are back in rhythm with him and obviously that is the most important. Just getting
the chemistry back with the quarterbacks needs to happen. He is back out there going and we are glad he is there.
"tough times call for perseverance and a tough mind. I have been told that I can't play football before. We all know what happened with that. #neverquit"--Mark Herzlich
""The massive Raider Nation is beyond doubt the sleaziest and rudest and most sinister mob of thugs and wackos ever assembled."--Hunter S. Thompson
How do you interpret this?
S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
"I made a trade for Seymour. ..I thought it was a great trade. Still do. [Al Davis 1/2011]
Patience advances a man to better times.
by Sons-of-Blanda on Aug 8, 2011 9:34 PM PDT up reply actions
gotta wait to hear him say it on video
just like that one tweet someone posted. Words spoken come off the page as written word differently, especially with a guy like Hue. He can put inflection on a certain part or word, and then I’ll just feel something, unequivocally. Reading his words not so much.
"tough times call for perseverance and a tough mind. I have been told that I can't play football before. We all know what happened with that. #neverquit"--Mark Herzlich
""The massive Raider Nation is beyond doubt the sleaziest and rudest and most sinister mob of thugs and wackos ever assembled."--Hunter S. Thompson
Yep, that's our our man, Hue. His voice inflection and body language and expression are essential components
to decipher his deeper meaning.
S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
"I made a trade for Seymour. ..I thought it was a great trade. Still do. [Al Davis 1/2011]
Patience advances a man to better times.
by Sons-of-Blanda on Aug 8, 2011 9:42 PM PDT up reply actions
also Hue's words
the chemistry back with the quarterbacks needs to happen. He is back out there going and we are glad he is there.
"tough times call for perseverance and a tough mind. I have been told that I can't play football before. We all know what happened with that. #neverquit"--Mark Herzlich
""The massive Raider Nation is beyond doubt the sleaziest and rudest and most sinister mob of thugs and wackos ever assembled."--Hunter S. Thompson
he will get his chance. Al, like any good GM, even if you think Al isn't
would. It’s a prudent business move, and also saves face as he is still a first round draftee, and always will be. But, I don’t want to see him stinking up the field if another more qualified guy is ready, which appears to be the case, and, as this post points out, we run 21 personnel primarily, with two wideout sets. I hope he gets lots of reps this week, which will indicate if he doesn’t completely blow us out of the water with the opportunities, he’ll be down, down, or off the depth chart.
That’s also a prudent business decision. Remember, we’re supposed to “just win.”
"tough times call for perseverance and a tough mind. I have been told that I can't play football before. We all know what happened with that. #neverquit"--Mark Herzlich
""The massive Raider Nation is beyond doubt the sleaziest and rudest and most sinister mob of thugs and wackos ever assembled."--Hunter S. Thompson
I will support him so long as he is a Raider
but will have seriously problems with coaches if he’s faltering and still on the depth chart.
"tough times call for perseverance and a tough mind. I have been told that I can't play football before. We all know what happened with that. #neverquit"--Mark Herzlich
""The massive Raider Nation is beyond doubt the sleaziest and rudest and most sinister mob of thugs and wackos ever assembled."--Hunter S. Thompson
Absolutely
let’s hope we see it. I feel we will.
"tough times call for perseverance and a tough mind. I have been told that I can't play football before. We all know what happened with that. #neverquit"--Mark Herzlich
""The massive Raider Nation is beyond doubt the sleaziest and rudest and most sinister mob of thugs and wackos ever assembled."--Hunter S. Thompson
This Was A "Mediot"s Perspective:
All in all, he looked healthy, sharp and ready to make a push for a starting spot for the third straight year.
+100000
"Anytime you have an organization and an owner that wants to win as badly as Al Davis wants to win, and will spend the money to win, I don’t think you have as many barriers as you think. Those are easy. The ones that would be tough is where you didn’t have any good players and you had an owner or an organization that didn’t want to spend any money to get good players." - John Madden, 2008
"We’re going to be a tough, rugged football team that walks with a swagger and plays the way the Raiders used to play." Hue Jackson
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I Think This "WR" Sticks...
*Veteran receiver Derek Hagan made a couple of nice plays in only his second practice since he joined the Raiders.
Fits the possession mold we've been looking for
Not Plaxico, but an inexpensive answer to the question. I like Hagen too, and even the Giants guys who endorsed Boss say this was another solid pickup for us.
"tough times call for perseverance and a tough mind. I have been told that I can't play football before. We all know what happened with that. #neverquit"--Mark Herzlich
""The massive Raider Nation is beyond doubt the sleaziest and rudest and most sinister mob of thugs and wackos ever assembled."--Hunter S. Thompson
"McThunder" Strikes In Naps!!!
*McFadden caused quite a stir at practice without taking part in a single play. He is out with a fractured orbital bone. He fired up his black car, turned up the stereo and watched as people flocked to find the origin of the ear-busting bass. Jackson even wandered over to take a look at the flashy mobile.
he used to have this pic of this horrible purple looking thing similar to this on his facebook page, but it ain't there any more!
"tough times call for perseverance and a tough mind. I have been told that I can't play football before. We all know what happened with that. #neverquit"--Mark Herzlich
""The massive Raider Nation is beyond doubt the sleaziest and rudest and most sinister mob of thugs and wackos ever assembled."--Hunter S. Thompson
oops
"tough times call for perseverance and a tough mind. I have been told that I can't play football before. We all know what happened with that. #neverquit"--Mark Herzlich
""The massive Raider Nation is beyond doubt the sleaziest and rudest and most sinister mob of thugs and wackos ever assembled."--Hunter S. Thompson
not working as an image
"tough times call for perseverance and a tough mind. I have been told that I can't play football before. We all know what happened with that. #neverquit"--Mark Herzlich
""The massive Raider Nation is beyond doubt the sleaziest and rudest and most sinister mob of thugs and wackos ever assembled."--Hunter S. Thompson
Nice.
Saving for some new subs in my car. Should have ’em in a few weeks.
"In football, I root for the Oakland Raiders because they hire castoffs, outlaws, malcontents, and fuck -ups, they have lots of penalties, fights, and paybacks, and because Al Davis told the rest of the pig NFL owners to go get fucked. Someday, the Raiders will be strong again, and they will dip the ball in shit and shove it down the throats of the wholesome, white, heartland teams that pray together and don't deliver late hits." - George Carlin.
Pryor Forceing The Issue...
NFL | Terrelle Pryor to have Pro Day Friday
Former Ohio State QB Terrelle Pryor plans to work out for scouts Friday, Aug. 12, in a Pro Day workout at an undisclosed location in Pittsburgh, even though he has not yet been declared eligible for the Aug. 17 supplemental draft.
Great stuff brhynno
You know what gets me most geeked about this offense is that the position players play doesn’t really matter. How do teams prepare for that. They won’t know what defensive package to send out. McFadden and Reece are both more than capable split out as WRs. The Raiders could have a 22 package and if the defense decides to send in their goaline set than the Raiders split out McFadden and Reece. One of these guys is almost guaranteed to have one on one with an LB at that point.
The options don’t stop there either. We got Barnes as you mentioned and Jacoby is a threat on a reverse or in the wildcat.
Eventually, all things merge into one, and a river runs through it.
Also you talking about Madden on the Genesis brings back some serious memories
Football games took a huge jump from Nintendo 16 to the the Genesis. I was also a big fan of Joe Montana football. I loved how you had manual control of the aim on QB throws!
Eventually, all things merge into one, and a river runs through it.
dont' get me started. I played TecMo!
me and my bro played this little Coleco digital thing with three controls on either side for left right or forward! I wish I could post that right here, but way too obscure I think!
"tough times call for perseverance and a tough mind. I have been told that I can't play football before. We all know what happened with that. #neverquit"--Mark Herzlich
""The massive Raider Nation is beyond doubt the sleaziest and rudest and most sinister mob of thugs and wackos ever assembled."--Hunter S. Thompson
Bo Jackson
Was unstoppable on Techmo Bowl.
Refuse to tiptoe through life only to arrive safely at death
Bo and Mike Vick are the greatest video game players of all time
"Anytime you have an organization and an owner that wants to win as badly as Al Davis wants to win, and will spend the money to win, I don’t think you have as many barriers as you think. Those are easy. The ones that would be tough is where you didn’t have any good players and you had an owner or an organization that didn’t want to spend any money to get good players." - John Madden, 2008
"We’re going to be a tough, rugged football team that walks with a swagger and plays the way the Raiders used to play." Hue Jackson
RAW IS PUNK! WWE ZACKDOWN!!!
Vince Young on Madden 09
was pretty good too. I had him with us and used the Patriots offense, all out of the shotgun, empty backfields everywhere (often lining up DMC as a WR). If I couldn’t throw, I ran him.
"In football, I root for the Oakland Raiders because they hire castoffs, outlaws, malcontents, and fuck -ups, they have lots of penalties, fights, and paybacks, and because Al Davis told the rest of the pig NFL owners to go get fucked. Someday, the Raiders will be strong again, and they will dip the ball in shit and shove it down the throats of the wholesome, white, heartland teams that pray together and don't deliver late hits." - George Carlin.
Madden 12 Demo is out!!!!!
"Anytime you have an organization and an owner that wants to win as badly as Al Davis wants to win, and will spend the money to win, I don’t think you have as many barriers as you think. Those are easy. The ones that would be tough is where you didn’t have any good players and you had an owner or an organization that didn’t want to spend any money to get good players." - John Madden, 2008
"We’re going to be a tough, rugged football team that walks with a swagger and plays the way the Raiders used to play." Hue Jackson
RAW IS PUNK! WWE ZACKDOWN!!!
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