2011 NFL CBA Rules: Compensatory Draft Selections

by Raymond St. Martin (Saint) on Aug 9, 2011 9:01 PM PDT

Section 10: Compensatory Draft Selections: The rules and procedures regarding Compensatory Draft Selections previously agreed upon by the NFL and the NFLPA shall remain in effect, subsequent to any future changes as to which the parties may agree.

So, there you have it. Every "Qualifying" Free Agent that has been signed by Oakland will count against the "Qualifying Free Agents" that the Raiders have lost.

At first pass, this could be a terrible thing.

The signing and subsequent retiring of Justin Smiley may reduce a third round compensatory pick, which could be awarded for Robert Gallery, Nnamdi Asomugha or Zack Miller, to a pick at the end of the seventh round.

In a perfect World, the Raiders would step up without signing as many "Qualified Free Agents" as they lose. Think about it. If Derek Hagan is only, maybe, a notch above Bodiford, but, Bodiford represents, Bodiford + 2012 3rd Round pick, I'd stick with my guy over a free agent.

There is still much mud to be lifted from this mire, but, the first light has been shone on the conversation.

I look forward to getting to the bottom of this.

Cheers,

- Saint

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So your saying we just lost a 3rd rd pick by signing smiley..if thats the case wth is the front office thinking did they not know this could happen smiley is definetly not worth losing a 3rd round pick nd then he ends up retiring..wow

by angelraiders on Aug 9, 2011 9:10 PM PDT via mobile reply actions

what did you expect us to do?

not sign any oline men?

by RyanTheRaider on Aug 9, 2011 9:12 PM PDT up reply actions

Yes but at what cost

by angelraiders on Aug 9, 2011 9:18 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions

what do you mean?

we shouldn’t have tried to improve the weakest part of our team just so we could get an extra pick?

by RyanTheRaider on Aug 9, 2011 9:21 PM PDT up reply actions

So your telling me you had smiley starting this year?

by angelraiders on Aug 9, 2011 9:27 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions

no

but he was an improvement on what our backups were.To not bring in any o-line men would have been foolish.We dont know who will and will not be a “Qualifying” free agent,so stop complaining when we dont even know what will happen.

by RyanTheRaider on Aug 9, 2011 9:58 PM PDT up reply actions

its not like hes the only free agent we signed either

we signed like 5 other FAs and thats just on the o-line

by RyanTheRaider on Aug 9, 2011 9:59 PM PDT up reply actions

Ill complain if i feel like it

We’ll see what happens hopefully it turns out good for us

by angelraiders on Aug 9, 2011 10:04 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions

thats more like it

by RyanTheRaider on Aug 9, 2011 10:10 PM PDT up reply actions

He Retired Within Day Of Signing So We Aren't Under His Cap Hit Or His Presance On The Roster...

Me thinks!!!…And no doubt the Raiders’ MGP will argue that point saying this was a sham on the part of Smiley….Ne good damn ignorant 9er BITCH!!!

by PantyRaider on Aug 9, 2011 9:22 PM PDT up reply actions

I doubt Smiley would count because he was never a Raider

Just because he signed a contract doesnt mean he actually “had” a contract with the Raiders. Meaning he never met criteria stipulated in the agreement. Players have to pass a physical before their contract is even considered valid. It appears this never happened.

This guy knows more about comps then anyone not employed by the NFL. Good reading if you like this kinda stuff

http://adamjt13.blogspot.com/2010/03/projecting-2010-compensatory-nfl-draft.html

PS the Raiders were geniuses when they inserted Nnamdi’s void clause.

Winning

by Foilhat on Aug 9, 2011 9:32 PM PDT reply actions

PS the Raiders were geniuses when they inserted Nnamdi’s void clause.

how so?

Dangerously? Yea.

by TooShort2Play on Aug 9, 2011 10:17 PM PDT up reply actions

It will yield a comp pick

cutting him would have not

Winning

by Foilhat on Aug 9, 2011 10:20 PM PDT up reply actions

we wouldnt have cut him

by RyanTheRaider on Aug 9, 2011 10:22 PM PDT up reply actions

I think the point was, cut or trade, the voiding of the contract turns out could be the best option of the three

"tough times call for perseverance and a tough mind. I have been told that I can't play football before. We all know what happened with that. #neverquit"--Mark Herzlich

""The massive Raider Nation is beyond doubt the sleaziest and rudest and most sinister mob of thugs and wackos ever assembled."--Hunter S. Thompson

by brhynno on Aug 9, 2011 10:25 PM PDT up reply actions

oh ok

yeah, that would be the best option

by RyanTheRaider on Aug 9, 2011 10:33 PM PDT up reply actions

what about a trade and gaining a Kevin Kolb type

or even better really?
What is the down side to that? a cap hit?

Dangerously? Yea.

by TooShort2Play on Aug 10, 2011 2:16 PM PDT up reply actions

i dont think teams would have wanted to trade for him

he was set to make ALOT of money

by RyanTheRaider on Aug 10, 2011 3:06 PM PDT up reply actions

He is making A LOT of money

and Nnamdi and the team trading for him could have agreed to a restructing of his contract. Maybe Nnamdi wouldnt have allowed a trade then and voiding his contract left us with something, and it left Nnamdi to find a different team. where he decided to take less money -or the market forced him to take a cut and he decided to go to a contender paying around that market.

Dangerously? Yea.

by TooShort2Play on Aug 10, 2011 4:40 PM PDT up reply actions

he is making 12 million a year

thats the most any team was willing to pay him, he was gonna make alot more than that before his contract voided.

by RyanTheRaider on Aug 10, 2011 5:08 PM PDT up reply actions

im glad you read only my subject line

’ppreciate it

Dangerously? Yea.

by TooShort2Play on Aug 10, 2011 5:59 PM PDT up reply actions

i read the entire thing tebow

i dont think he would have restructured his deal to take 6 million less, and i dont think any team would have tried to do that.

by RyanTheRaider on Aug 10, 2011 6:09 PM PDT up reply actions

yeah i agree

many people forget when a team trades for a player and give him a new contract both are viewed as payment. therefore assuming a team like the Eagles would have traded for nnamdi, giving him the same deal (restructed), and given away pick(s) is far fetched. they wouldnt have wanted to pay as much because the picks have value. they are akin to cash in that sense. and this point doesnt even address the logistics of negotiating a giant pay cut.

Winning

by Foilhat on Aug 10, 2011 7:54 PM PDT up reply actions

I think too many similar deals have worked out this way to say it's coincidence

Al, or the people he hires to figure out how best to get value out of picks—most of the time—have uncanny abilities to predict futures.

I like your style, Foilhat.

"tough times call for perseverance and a tough mind. I have been told that I can't play football before. We all know what happened with that. #neverquit"--Mark Herzlich

""The massive Raider Nation is beyond doubt the sleaziest and rudest and most sinister mob of thugs and wackos ever assembled."--Hunter S. Thompson

by brhynno on Aug 9, 2011 10:24 PM PDT up reply actions

New "LB" Assistant Coach:

Raiders | Ricky Hunley added to coaching staff
Tue, 09 Aug 2011 21:32:31 -0700

Oakland Raiders defensive coordinator Chuck Bresnahan revealed Tuesday, Aug. 9, that the team hired former LB Ricky Hunley as an assistant to linebackers coach Greg Biekert.

by PantyRaider on Aug 9, 2011 11:05 PM PDT reply actions

Cool!!

Don’t know him though

If Winning Isn't Everthing, Why Do They Keep Score? - Vince Lombardi

by Rayder K on Aug 10, 2011 4:14 PM PDT up reply actions

compensatory picks are awarded based on performance of free agents lost, in comparison to the production of free agents whom the Raiders sign. We’ll in all likelihood get a third rounder for Nnamdi and Zach Miller, and later round compensatory picks for Robert.

by Slightly Hyphy on Aug 10, 2011 12:39 AM PDT reply actions

Will That Be Based Upon Performances In 2011 Or Past Performances 2010 -n- Before???

by PantyRaider on Aug 10, 2011 3:29 AM PDT up reply actions

According to the old CBA:

They match up number of free agents signed in inverse order, based on salary first:

So Gradkowski and Howard would line up with Heyer and Hagan

Then, there is the question about the UFL players who have been signed: Jackson and Blackstock (who is currently second string).

There are many questions ot be answered, such as, the old terminology stated that in order to count, they had to be signed by June 1st. That obviously didn’t happen.

It is all about coming together as a team. At the end of the day, the team is all we have. - T. Branch 10-14-09

by Raymond St. Martin (Saint) on Aug 10, 2011 9:40 AM PDT up reply actions

Players like Smiley only count if they make the roster which he is gone.

I don’t see any players making the roster that were picked up as outside free agents

by Captain Chaos on Aug 10, 2011 8:41 AM PDT reply actions

What About Boss -n- 2 "WR"s + The "OT"???

by PantyRaider on Aug 10, 2011 9:00 AM PDT up reply actions

forgot about Boss.LOL. Hagan? I doubt it. Heyer the OT isn't doing well.

by Captain Chaos on Aug 10, 2011 9:21 AM PDT up reply actions

Can you link to that?

That is key because the Raiders may get 4 picks that way. (If Hagan is kept)

Gradkowski will start in Cincy, T Howard may also start and we all know that Miller, Gallery and Nnamdi are big parts of their new teams.

That could be 3 thirds and a fourth. That could literally turn the tables on the League.

the Raiders would get an additional 3 of the top 100 picks and another additional Top 150 after winning the Super Bowl! ;)

It is all about coming together as a team. At the end of the day, the team is all we have. - T. Branch 10-14-09

by Raymond St. Martin (Saint) on Aug 10, 2011 9:43 AM PDT up reply actions

WoW!!..And Some Think My Prediction Of 11-n-5 AFCW Champs Is Unreasonable!!!

But I like yours better…So OK “SB” it is!!!…

But one of those picks will be forfeited….“Sup-Drat” for Pryor and well worth it…

by PantyRaider on Aug 10, 2011 10:13 AM PDT up reply actions

this guy...

… and his damn Pryor fetish haha

by jypsypimp on Aug 10, 2011 11:25 AM PDT up reply actions

lol

by RyanTheRaider on Aug 10, 2011 11:28 AM PDT up reply actions

lol yeah but if we skip him and he becomes successful we will never hear the end of it

"We want to win. The Raider fans deserve it. The Raider players deserve it, even my organization deserves it. You have to win and you have to win with a vision for the Super Bowl. That's our passion here."--Al Davis

"Winning isn't everything, but wanting to win is."--Vince Lombardi

by Marcus Allen Krause on Aug 10, 2011 12:07 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions

im pretty confident

that he will not be successful lol

by RyanTheRaider on Aug 10, 2011 12:09 PM PDT up reply actions

this guy got really burnt in the JRuss relationship^^^

didnt you

Dangerously? Yea.

by TooShort2Play on Aug 10, 2011 4:46 PM PDT up reply actions

what do you mean?

by RyanTheRaider on Aug 10, 2011 5:22 PM PDT up reply actions

YES!!...Guilty As Charged...I Was A "JePurpleDrank" Pimp Bithch Too!!!...LoL!!!

NFL | Terrelle Pryor’s workout on hold

Ohio State QB Terrelle Pryor has put his workout for teams on hold while the NFL still tries to determine if he is eligible for the 2011 Supplemental Draft.

by PantyRaider on Aug 10, 2011 6:34 PM PDT up reply actions

I didnt really like your comment and kinda took a dumb shot because JRuss and TPrior have similarities.

im pretty confident
that he will not be successful lol

I think prior will come cheap and could easily see him succeeding. Idk if u have extensive knowledge of college QBs making the leap to the pros, but if you dont, then its a dumb comment.

Dangerously? Yea.

by TooShort2Play on Aug 11, 2011 12:16 AM PDT up reply actions

He wont be cheap if hes in the sup draft, he will most likely cost a 3rd

I dont think he will be successful.I dont “have extensive knowledge of college QBs making the leap to the pros” but his accuracy is terrible, how many successful QBs have terrible accuracy?

by RyanTheRaider on Aug 11, 2011 9:13 AM PDT up reply actions

Come On!!!...How Many Inacrurate "QB" Completed Over 60% Of Their Passes...

That’s just “BS” being pimped by those who want to take him down…Fact is he scrambled and kept his eyes downfield…Than he threw off the wrong foot so many of those passes looked bad but were still completed…Some of his throws have higher elevation than some folks like so they think he lobs the ball instead of putting it on a close line while saying it’s inaccurate…He was 2 time MVP in the big games and posted a 31-n-4 record and was only a JR so not yet fully developed…Now how many Jr "QB"s do as well as he did???…

by PantyRaider on Aug 11, 2011 9:56 AM PDT up reply actions

Tebow and Russell come to mind

both had great comp % in COLLEGE, 67.8.“Thats just”BS" pimped by those who want to take them down"? every person who thinks he cant be a QB,who thinks he not accurate, want to take Pryor down?Theres a big conspiracy to take pryor down?The only people who think he can play QB are you, and the people working with him.What do you expect the people that are working with him to say?

by RyanTheRaider on Aug 11, 2011 10:33 AM PDT up reply actions

*him

by RyanTheRaider on Aug 11, 2011 10:34 AM PDT up reply actions

6’5"
240 lbs
runs a 4.4-4.5
And is trying to be a qb. He can sit the bench a year or two and come in a totally changed passer. Id gamble a third round for this. Especially because we may be receiving a couple new 3rd round compensation picks.
Worst case: he becomes a TE.
I like JCamp, but the soup isnt the future. TPrior can grow with our young WRs.

Dangerously? Yea.

by TooShort2Play on Aug 11, 2011 2:14 PM PDT up reply actions

worst case scenario

we waste a high-mid round pick on pryor.Hes not gonna be a successful QB in the NFL.We already have 2 rookie TEs,Boss,Myers,and Brock.

by RyanTheRaider on Aug 11, 2011 2:32 PM PDT up reply actions

im a big ten/badger fan so i watched a lot of pryor over his college career

I have just never been impressed with him. For one thing barely 60% completion percentage just is not that good IMO. Badger qbs have traditionally sucked and they are usually around 60% completions. That’s not all to me though. He just never seemed to have the it factor to me. I heard all the time that he was the next great qb buy I never saw it. He can make good throws but just as often he throws into double and triple coverage and across his body. Except the big teams like wi and Penn St and Mich St the teams Pryor has played against have really sucked. They play a lot of chumps and I don’t think many of their beatdowns of those teams had very impressive qb play. When half the teams you play are total crap you should have good numbers. A lot of his runs were just wide open spaces from defenses having a lack of discipline and that wont be the case with the NFL. He will always have a qb spy on him and when good teams did that in college he was stopped. See if you can find the last Ohio St vs wi game and watch it again. It shows exactly why I don’t think he will be a successful qb. If he wants to move to wr or te then I would listen but I just don’t see qb in his future.

"Winning isn't everything, but wanting to win is."--Vince Lombardi

by Marcus Allen Krause on Aug 11, 2011 11:11 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions

i hate what happened with jruss but i dont think it has any barring at all on pryor

They are completely different quarterbacks. I don’t have faith in Pryor succeeding either because I just don’t feel he is accurate enough but my feelings of his probably not succeeding have nothing to do with jafatty failing.

"Winning isn't everything, but wanting to win is."--Vince Lombardi

by Marcus Allen Krause on Aug 10, 2011 6:50 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions

+1

by RyanTheRaider on Aug 10, 2011 6:52 PM PDT up reply actions

+1

Dangerously? Yea.

by TooShort2Play on Aug 10, 2011 4:45 PM PDT up reply actions

wow, so much misinformation in this article and the comments!

First off, comp picks are only for UFA’s signed and lost – not cut players, not traded players. Second, the picks are awarded primarily for average contract value and a little bit for performance – so even if Nnamdi rides the pine in Phili and Kevin Boss is the second coming of Kellen Winslow, Nnamdi still would yield a higher pick. There is also a cutoff for average salary. Even if Smiley were still to count as a signing (and he won’t) it wouldn’t matter since he signed for the vet minimum. Finally, you can’t trade these picks.

Check out this fan post for more info: http://www.silverandblackpride.com/2011/8/6/2348309/compensatory-draft-picks-2012. And if you really want to get schooled, check out AdamJT13’s blog referenced above.

by bengaljohnboy on Aug 10, 2011 6:34 PM PDT reply actions

No misinformation in the article:

The number of “Qualifying” free agents signed and lost is the first step. If you have signed 6 turds and lost 6 Pro-Bowlers, the best that you can do is get 6 7th Rounders. That would suck.

It is all about coming together as a team. At the end of the day, the team is all we have. - T. Branch 10-14-09

by Raymond St. Martin (Saint) on Aug 10, 2011 11:21 PM PDT up reply actions