Terrelle Pryor = Cam Newton...For those that doubted Raider Nation...QB T. Pryor will be a star for the Raiders ....
by Rodney Sacramento on Sep 11, 2011 4:31 PM PDT
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Cam Newton broke Peyton Manning's all time record for yards in a rookie debut today. Like Terrelle Pryor, Cam Newton came from a less than conventional Offense, yet many doubted his ability to even play QB in the the NFL...Sound familiar? Well, it does to me, when a QB doesn't come from a more conventional pro set college offense their ability to play in the NFL is questioned. Terrelle Pryor, a player I watched consistently for two years at Ohio State is going to be an Outstanding NFL QB...And once be begins to practice daily it won't be long before he is ready to get on the field.. I am Not suggesting we throw him out there, I believe Jason Campbell will do well if we block for him, I am just making the point that Cam Newton just proved you cannot listen to the skeptics when a player has the overall talent that both Cam Newton and Terrelle Pryor possess. Both are destined to do great things in this league...Al Davis again made a great decision in using our 3rd pick in the supplemental draft to acquire Pryor as our QB of the future....
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Cam is better than Pryor.
Not even close Newton was drafted #1 because they believed he could play QB. Newton has the Arm, Accuracy,and Leadership. We don’t know what we have in Pryor we have a bad track record with QB’s we draft.
True about Cam having the better arm for passing and he is more polished at it.
Pryor will still bring the big stats rushing, more so than Passing like Cam does.
The RaiderLaker
pryor is a more dynamic runner than cam , though cam has a rocket arm , pryor is better at droping the ball in the perfect spot in the clutch
it aint pretty , but he makes the play , kinda reminds me of plunkett a little bit , it aint pretty and just when you think it aint gona get there it land in the receivers hands in the corner of the end zone , and our track record is the exact reason we brought baltimores qb coach in to coach our team , to develop a qb , and now he’s got one , plus the upside with this kid is great if he doesnt end up a starter he ends up a reciever that can be your third qb , or a slash , or a tight end wherever he plays he will make a contribution to this team ,
Robert Griffin III
The Raiders will draft Robert Griffin III. He has a better arm and is faster than Terrelle Pryor. The Raiders they will not pass up on Robert Griffin’s speed and play making ability.
by Hundredthousanddollarpluswhipmaster on Sep 11, 2011 6:13 PM PDT reply actions
It doesn't matter
Who is the QB coach. Cam Newton has Shockey, Olsen, and Steve Smith. we have no one at WR.
WTF? chill out man. We have Steve Smith's clone wtf is up with you.
We have Boss who is just as good as Shokey is right now
And the upcoming Denarious Moore who reminds me of Lloyd judging by measurables and playmaking tendencies.
The RaiderLaker
What have any of those guys done
Boss is not as good as Shokey never will be.
really?
yea fuck Ford, Moore, Chaz,Hagen, Murphey, and Boss we really dont have anyone huh? your an idiot! and to the guy who wrote this im shocked you just said Pryor is going to be instantly as good as newton cause there the "same"type of player, thats almost racist hahaha your high as well, pryor will not i repeat will not be a player like cam newton there complete opposites on and off the field newton will be great one day u watch pryor is a another troy smith and pat white guy…
Will the real John Gruden please stand up!?!?!
by daleomadness on Sep 11, 2011 8:14 PM PDT up reply actions
All those guys together don't
Have 100 catches last season. But I am crazy. You are dreaming.
uh ford kicks ass , moore will be great , murphy will eventually heal , and so will the boss who has way more miles left on him than shockey , theres a reason shockey got cut twice , and splits time with olsen ford is smith without the grey hair
buy a carolina jersey if you like them so much , and think our players suck so bad , buttnugget
How is Ford Steve Smith
based on what I like Ford but he isn’t a Steve Smith not even the Other Steve Smith. Teams aren’t going to build there defense to stop Ford, Moore or hagan. I wish you guys would stop with the if you think they are so good you should be a Carolina fans crap. I said they have a better WR than we do. We don’t have one Proven WR on our team Boss isn’t a top 15 TE. No Raider fan in there right mind would take Boss over Shokey.
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shockey is old and a want to be thug (perfect fit for the raiders) but i would pick boss hands down over shockey any day of the week and twice on sundays the boy is big with long arms and can block and haul in a pass, name once when shockey did anything consitant
OOOH!!! I know!!
he consistently gets injured!!
"God will understand. And if he does not understand, then he is not God, and we need not worry." -Orlando Bloom, Kingdom of Heaven
by angelesoterica on Sep 12, 2011 11:16 AM PDT up reply actions
Based on what Kevin Boss best year
42 catches 5td’s . Shockey Worst season 41 Catches 3 TD SO why is Kevin Boss so good that you would pick him twice on sunday. That proves you aren’t in your right mind
Cam was the #1 overall pick, a refined passer, and a proven winner and leader
All things Pryor lacks or is questionable at, who knows if he even stays a QB
You cant grade 1 guy on how good he will be by watching another, they are different people, this is silly
"There is nothing like a wise phrase or quote to help convince others that your decision makes sense." - Anon
"If you're ever in a fair fight, then your tactics suck." ಠ_ಠ
Being a #1 pic doesn't matter most of the time for QB's. What you say is true, but Pryor is also a winner.
He won games did he not?
I guess the comparison comes from the athletecism. But that’s where it ends. Pryor strikes me as smarter than Cam though. imo.
Steve Smith is a damn Pro Bowler, i’m sure they were fine tuned to connect.
Overall, there is no need to bag on pryor, they are somewhat different players.
The RaiderLaker
He won games but so did Russell and Leaf, Carr, Harrington etc
You have to have a winners mentality and focus to truly be a winner, 1 thing many people think he lacks but we’ll see
I dont either are to bright imo
And Smith was on a decline lately, hes not anywhere near what he once was
"There is nothing like a wise phrase or quote to help convince others that your decision makes sense." - Anon
"If you're ever in a fair fight, then your tactics suck." ಠ_ಠ
Different environments can bring out different talents in different people.
Wimbley is not the player he was at Cleveland. Don’t discount what Hue might be able to do with Pryor, e.g., Flacco. As far as a winner’s mentality goes, can’t take that away from Pryor at this time because he was quite a winner at Ohio. Hopefully he stays the course here.
by RaiderPsycho on Sep 13, 2011 8:31 PM PDT up reply actions
Arbaugh made Flacco, not Hue
"There is nothing like a wise phrase or quote to help convince others that your decision makes sense." - Anon
"If you're ever in a fair fight, then your tactics suck." ಠ_ಠ
Harbaugh*
"There is nothing like a wise phrase or quote to help convince others that your decision makes sense." - Anon
"If you're ever in a fair fight, then your tactics suck." ಠ_ಠ
But wasn't Hue Flacco's qb coach? But let's not limit that to a single example.
You can’t be sure what Hue may do with Pryor yet.
by RaiderPsycho on Sep 13, 2011 8:33 PM PDT up reply actions
Really Pryor can be a NFL WR
This isn’t Madden you think a guy who has played QB is whole life can just start playing WR in the NFL. Flacco plays on a team with a good defense he doesn’t carry the Raven there Defense does. We don’t have a defense that can carry a team. Every Young QB they Talk about has a Good Defense. Flacco, Ryan, Sanchez, Freemon, all these guys have a run game and defense that gets turnovers. Our Defense doesn’t get turnovers and our offense is meant to carry this team. The last time we had a Winning record our Offense carried this team
Wow, put the pipe down hoss
What in the hell does Cam having a good game (that his team lost, by the way) have anything to do with T.P.?
MexicAN AmericAN VegAN
But Pryor's arm is still pretty good.
Cam has a rocket launcher for an arm. Pryor doesn’t have that same arm strength but he’s average for an NFL QB.
"In football, I root for the Oakland Raiders because they hire castoffs, outlaws, malcontents, and fuck -ups, they have lots of penalties, fights, and paybacks, and because Al Davis told the rest of the pig NFL owners to go get fucked. Someday, the Raiders will be strong again, and they will dip the ball in shit and shove it down the throats of the wholesome, white, heartland teams that pray together and don't deliver late hits." - George Carlin.
Pryor's arm is outstanding...I assure you, Cam did not surprise me today ...
and Pryor is going to kill em when he gets his shot…
by Rodney Sacramento on Sep 11, 2011 8:27 PM PDT up reply actions
agreed on the arm , but the more i watch him throw the ball , it looks like plunket , it may look like a duck but he has a knack for hitin that out in the corner of the endzone , hes got a shot
hes the perfect pick for a team that got burned as badly as we did , 3rd rounder ( less than kapernick ) who i thought was a more appropriate comparrison , if he doesnt develop he still has value as a runner and receiver , and hes not breakin the bank , he s a solid pick
Watching Pryor at Ohio State and Cam at Auburn showed me far more similarities than differences..Cam did break Peytons all time first game record with 422 yards to Mannings 302 Yards....
And he tied the most yards by any first year QB tying the 422 yard perfomance by Matthew Stafford….Of course, one game doesn’t make a career, however, being from Oakland and living in Indianapolis over the last decade I have watched far more Big 10 and SEC action than Pac-10 or 12 now… Cam Newton is NOT a better passer than Terrelle Pryor, where do you get this from, have you ever watched them play? They have the same kind of game so for those of you guessing lets just go by the numbers…2010 Stats;
Cam Newton: Passing: Att: 280 CMP:185 PCT: 66.1 YDS 2854 Avg: 10.2 TD: 30 Int: 7
Rushing: Att: 264 YDS: 1473 AVG: 5.6
Tyrelle Pryor: Passing Att: 323 CMP: 210 PCT: 65 YDS: 2772 Avg: 8.6 TD: 27 Int: 11
Rushing: Att: 135 YDS 754 AVG: 5.6
After watching both these guys actually play, their games are basically the same, Of course the stats are from their 2010 college seasons. And quite frankly this is the first time I looked at the stats… My assessment came from actually watching their college play last season, yet the stats support my assessment.
By the way, the Raiders have the strongest overall receiving corp I have seen in the last 20 years, look at the overall players at the position. Our weakest link is our first round draft choice DHB…lol So, I don’t know where that came from. Al Davis and the Raiders coaching staff hit the lottery with Terrelle Pryor and you will be swearing you knew it all the time in the near future. That kid can flat out play and it will be at QB…Carolina didn’t have a QB at all, thus Cam starts, Terrelle has the benefit of really learning our system, however, no need to keep Edwards when Pryor is on the Roster…Go Raiders!!!
by Rodney Sacramento on Sep 11, 2011 8:14 PM PDT reply actions
+1 But we must maintain the system if you know what I mean. We can't keep firing coaches and bringing in new systems.
The RaiderLaker
Indeed, however, I think we may have some stability now, we have a much better Offense
and if we are scoring points Al Davis will be content to build the Defense…Hue knows how to call a game, and we have the best Receivers we have had in decades overall, this is going to be a good year on Offense for sure if we block for Jason…
by Rodney Sacramento on Sep 11, 2011 8:30 PM PDT up reply actions
TPryor vs Big Ten < Cam vs SEC
Dangerously? Yea.
by TooShort2Play on Sep 12, 2011 1:54 AM PDT up reply actions
Stats back up
that Pryor isn’t as good as Cam Newton. To be fair, Newton won’t have another game like that for the rest of his career. Look at their passing averages. 10.2 vs. 8.6 is a pretty significant difference and shows that Newton threw more successfully downfield than Pryor did. Combine this with the fact that SEC > Big 10 and Newton is much more likely to succeed in his NFL career than Pryor is.
Right.....
“Combine this with the fact that SEC > Big 10 and Newton is much more likely to succeed in his NFL career than Pryor is.”
Because Jamarcus Russell is soooooo much better than that guy in New England……
"By the way, the Raiders have the strongest overall receiving corp I have seen in the last 20 years,"
Yeah, because this current crop is SO MUCH BETTER than Rice, Brown and Porter.
Seriously, are you high?
MexicAN AmericAN VegAN
By the time Rice got there he was at the end of his career, though the best ever..
Look at the depth I believe this is the best I have seen in years… We have a young group of Wideouts that will ultimately make a huge impact when our QB can deliver the ball accurately down field…Rice, Brown, Porter then who? Marcus Knight, Doug Jolley, and Rolando Williams…lol, Now lets see, Ford, Murphy, Hagan, Moore, C-Chill, DHB, Boss…In my opinion this group has the largest upside, everyone of those guys were great receivers you mentioned, however, we didn’t have them all when they were at the top of their game, they were on the way out the league.. Go Raiders!!!
by Rodney Sacramento on Sep 13, 2011 6:31 AM PDT up reply actions
By the way, Cam being the overall Number 1 pick just shows the brilliance of picking Pryor with a 3rd round pick...
by Rodney Sacramento on Sep 11, 2011 8:16 PM PDT reply actions
No not at all
Since Pryor aint done shit
"There is nothing like a wise phrase or quote to help convince others that your decision makes sense." - Anon
"If you're ever in a fair fight, then your tactics suck." ಠ_ಠ
Seriously Rodney, what are you huffing?
The cowards never started, the weak died along the way....
by BlackHeartSilverEyes on Sep 12, 2011 9:41 AM PDT up reply actions
As you know, until a college player can actually come in the league and prove himself,
they are working off potential. My point with these two kids is I watched them actually play last season weekly and both should do well. In my opinion both are far more accurate throwing the ball down field than Campbell has ever been. However, in no way am I saying Pryor is ready to play, the kid didn’t even have a training camp. I am only saying in the future I can see him being a star for this team if he plays to just a % of the ability I have seen in him….
by Rodney Sacramento on Sep 13, 2011 6:35 AM PDT up reply actions
Ok..if you insist.
The cowards never started, the weak died along the way....
by BlackHeartSilverEyes on Sep 13, 2011 6:57 AM PDT up reply actions
I also agree this is silly.
I believe that Campbell can ge our quarterback for the next 4-6 years – maybe even longer. The reason why, is because everytime I look at his stats, they tell the tale. In 2008 and 2009, Campbell’s yards were Above 3000, his TD-INT ratio was alright, and he did it with what receivers?
This was the best pickup we had, and we get on this guy…why? How many times did we lose the game because of Campbell, and not because of our defense? The San-Fran Game is the only one I can think of. How many times did our defense stink? MANY. How many times did the defense lose the game for us? MANY.
I Believe Campbell showed that he is the Quarterback of this team, and that he can win games. Every game this preseason, he completed 5 passes or less than he attempted. How many of them were given away by lack of depth by the defense?
My Point is, Jason Campbell deserves MUCH LESS of the Shit that he’s been getting here. I can understand the defense, but to hear some of you say that T.Pryor, a QB that had issues at Ohio State (I know these issues are probably bullshit issues), that is considered more of a developmental project than Cam Newton (LET US NOT FORGET; THIS IS THE ARIZONA CARDINALS DEFENSE WE ARE TALKING ABOUT…Although 422 is VERY IMPRESSIVE), is the QB of the future.
Pryor hasn’t done shit. Campbell has. And just because he can’t throw a pretty deep ball (which, let’s be real, Other than Ford (Who is 5’9), Murphy (Who is Out), Schilens (Who will be out unless proven otherwise), Moore (Who is a Rookie), And DHB (Still Drops/Can’t Find Balls), who’s catching it deep? Who isn’t giving him the time to throw the ball?
I am ALL IN on Campbell.
In WHOEVER GIVES US THE WIN We Trust
by NFLanalyzerfromhome on Sep 12, 2011 12:52 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
I like TP
but this is 100% correct
"We’re going to be a tough, rugged football team that walks with a swagger and plays the way the Raiders used to play." Hue Jackson
"Just win baby. That’s what Al Davis says and that’s all I want to do. . . . I just want to be the best, and I just want to win." - Terrelle Pryor
Is it the Defense or all the 3 and outs?
A tired Defense does not mean they suck if you spend 45 minutes of a 60 minute game on the field I think your going to be tired.
by Canadian Raider on Sep 12, 2011 3:55 AM PDT up reply actions
Come on Our Offense carried this team last year
they were out there so much because they couldn’t stop anyone
There were 3 and outs.
However, Compared to the delay of games, HOW MANY drives were killed because of False Starts and Holdings by our line? THIS is the MAIN reason why we were 8-8 – Our O-Line Commited WAY too much penalties. And it gets me angry because If we comitted 10 less O-line penalties, we would have won the AFC West.
In WHOEVER GIVES US THE WIN We Trust
by NFLanalyzerfromhome on Sep 12, 2011 6:40 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Pretty sure
our time of possession was relatively good last year. Don’t have stats on me, but I would guess we were on offense for more than 50% of the game.
What your statistical approach doesn't reveal are those times he had receivers open and did not throw the ball
bq.I Believe Campbell showed that he is the Quarterback of this team, and that he can win games. Every game this preseason, he completed 5 passes or less than he attempted.
Jason’s far too cautious / timid which makes him hesitant when opportunity is ripe. Based on his body of work he plays it safe and has never had an accurate deep ball. If he plays better than ever before then he might have a contract longer than 2 years … which is about what I’ll expect Al gives him in 2012 (2yrs max.).
S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
"I made a trade for Seymour. ..I thought it was a great trade. Still do. [Al Davis 1/2011]
"I love to win, even against my daughters, I want to win" Hue "Action" Jackson 8/19/11
by Sons-of-Blanda on Sep 12, 2011 6:45 AM PDT up reply actions
Sons I agree, my only beef with Campbell is he holds the ball too long and won't throw to the open man down field...
he looks for the shorter routes. And if you watch his deep ball, well, he doesn’t have one, he just throws the ball to far, thus no int or cmp..lol But he will kill you withing his range and Hue played to those strengths last season, and I am sure he will do the same thing this year. So I expect a successful season because of our horses, we can run the ball, and that opens up play action…Jason should do well, but it will be due to calling plays to his strengths….
by Rodney Sacramento on Sep 12, 2011 2:53 PM PDT up reply actions
I'd like to believe that Jason's never developed a good long ball b/c he's always played behind marginal lines
but those occasions when the rush was suppressed and a WR got open deep, he just threw it in the general direction. You’re right that Hue knows what he’s working with and will maximize Campbell’s skills by having receivers run patterns that are higher percentage. Still, how can Al be so infatuated (assuming he really is) with a QB who can’t throw deep?
S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
"I made a trade for Seymour. ..I thought it was a great trade. Still do. [Al Davis 1/2011]
"I love to win, even against my daughters, I want to win" Hue "Action" Jackson 8/19/11
by Sons-of-Blanda on Sep 12, 2011 6:35 PM PDT up reply actions
I think Jason is a capable QB he just doesn't play in the Raider mold of a QB...
Al is only infatuated as long as you are winning, if Campbell begins to be the reason for losing Al will make a change… I don’t see Campbell throwing the ball deep consistently, he just throws it as far as he can for the most part. It’s nuts… Hue will call plays that allow players to rack up yards….Hopefully, Jason can be consistent and get our O going, he is good enough to win with the talent around him if we play to his strengths….
by Rodney Sacramento on Sep 13, 2011 5:34 PM PDT up reply actions
Agree. I also believe that the QB is the most important position and therefore hold that we will go as far as Jason can take us
His ceiling is the Raiders’ ceiling.
S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
"I made a trade for Seymour. ..I thought it was a great trade. Still do. [Al Davis 1/2011]
"I love to win, even against my daughters, I want to win" Hue "Action" Jackson 8/19/11
by Sons-of-Blanda on Sep 13, 2011 7:27 PM PDT up reply actions
I think that we should never underestimate the power of learning.
The learning environment is my focus here. His environment in Washington I’m sure was different from what it is here. Jason continues to progress and I don’t know what the limit of his learning is and I believe we will be seeing more of it. Right now, I believe that Jason is at least capable of taking us to the playoffs amid the challenges the AFCwest provides. Who knows what he might be like in 2 years? I give him a pass and hope for continued learning.
by RaiderPsycho on Sep 13, 2011 8:44 PM PDT up reply actions
RaiderPsycho and Sons I actually agree with both of you...
Jason is going to have to take those open shots down field, when I see him play its as if he lacks confidence in his arm. He needs to work really hard at that, we finally have young fast and talented wideouts across the board…DHB is officially our weakest link at WR… I believe J-Camb is the best QB we have right now and we must work with him.. Hue is an outstanding teacher so I expect us to only improve as the season progresses…
by Rodney Sacramento on Sep 14, 2011 5:14 AM PDT up reply actions
Tired of Davis drafting qb based on speed an arm strength...
I liked watching Pryor in college, but I don’t see him as the future of this team. Davis has lost his mind and should be banned from drafting QBs… it is as plain as that. He is going to keep trying to draft the NEW Plunkett, but he will never get him. The Raiders need to get a precision QB because they have yet to prove they can teach accuracy. I am sorry but Pryor is not the answer. When you draft a QB for his 40 time you are setting yourself up for failure… Pryor will be like Vick when he played for the Falcons except less effective on the ground and less accurate in the air. I have a feeling he will fall victim to the Russel Rule and after 3 years of starting with little success he will be out the door.
Ironically I do like the idea of RG-III as a Raider… but he is far more accurate than Pryor is, and has better leadership qualities. He wouldn’t be the answer but I do like the Kid.
Win Lose or Tie, Raiders Til I Die
I have no intention of promoting Pryor of any sort, other than to say he has raw ability.
He is not Came Newton. And as of now, he is not anywhere near as good as Newton. Maybe in the future sure, but he is too raw now.
And praising pryor when he hasnt played a snap yet is pretty ambitious. Lets wait till we see him on the field.
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
Promote Jack'sAxe...The Kid didn't even have a training camp...
In NO WAY is he ready yet, however he will be in a big way in the future…
by Rodney Sacramento on Sep 12, 2011 9:26 AM PDT up reply actions
Pryor has good physical attributes and as a developmental qb, I think it is a worthwhile investment.
If we were not successful in developing qbs in the past, you cannot extend that argument to the different coaches that we now have. I am hopeful that Hue can do something with him.
by RaiderPsycho on Sep 13, 2011 8:48 PM PDT up reply actions
I think it was a good pickup. Pryor has the potential to be very good.
But just because Newton (who I doubted as well) has proved unorthodox QBs can have immediate success, I would not predict it to be the same with Pryor.
They say the cool is all over me..
Just have to wait
Pryor could be a lot of things, both good and bad. What he won’t be this year is a starter. In fact, I bet Lechler gets more play at QB then Pryor does this year. I like the upside of Pryor, but until next years camp I’m not even thinking about him. I need to hear how he does in practice, his attitude, and I need to see if he can compete with Jason at next years camp before I drink the Pryor kool aid any further.
by lakers007raiders on Sep 12, 2011 9:08 AM PDT reply actions
The benefit Pryor will have is time under Jason Campbell...
Campbell is indeed our starting QB and I believe he has the skill set to be successful if we block for him.. In my opinion I see Pryor being an outstanding QB in the NFL…The good thing is we have time for Hue to work with him.. I know you guys are looking at highlights, well, I watched them both during the season in game situations and he can play. The stats 10 yrds to 8.6 is a big difference..please..lol Anyway in NO WAY have I suggested we promote this kid, we don’t have too and that is the beauty of drafting him, his intermediate to deep passes are accurate, however, he will need to work on his short game, he tends to over throw the ball there. Terrelle Pryor will be a star for the Raiders in the future, especially after spending time with Hue.
I got the same thing when I lobbied for Mike Vick, No he can’t do it is all I heard…Now he is a all pro and had he been a Raider he would have taken us to the playoffs by now with the weapons we have and his ability to move out the pocket and be effective.
Pryor is the future, NOT today, no where did I say he should be our starter…Hell he didn’t even have a training camp. I watched him play for the last two years and I watched Cam last season, both are exceptional talents in their own rights, and to say the stats prove Cam is far better when they are virtually the same is nonsense. Auburns offense allowed more RACs, the passing yardage had far more to do with that than how far a pass was thrown…The SEC is indeed the toughest college conference in my opinion followed by the Big 10. Both played stiff competition…
I stand behind our pick of Pryor, had he played this year at OSU he would have been drafted higher, believe that.. Go Raiders!!!
by Rodney Sacramento on Sep 12, 2011 9:12 AM PDT reply actions
I am in agreement that Robert Griffin III is indeed a beast...He is tough no doubt...
However, I am confident he will be drafted higher than the third round at 6’3 and a track guy as well, he is going to be a high draft pick if he continues to play the way he is. I am in complete agreement about this kid…No doubts!!!
by Rodney Sacramento on Sep 12, 2011 9:20 AM PDT reply actions
He'll be the best OSU QB since Art Schlicter
Sorry, I see a skinnier, less stoned JaPile.
And to compare Cam Newton with Peyton, I can’t even dignify that.
The OG, Otto Graham, threw 350 yds in his first NFL game.
This post has cost me brain cells, and I am the worse for reading this.
"God will understand. And if he does not understand, then he is not God, and we need not worry." -Orlando Bloom, Kingdom of Heaven
by angelesoterica on Sep 12, 2011 11:28 AM PDT reply actions
SSDD
The way he acted during the end at OSU. He put himself above the team. And when the shitteth hit the proverbial fan, he showed his true colors. I have taken a dislike to self-important douchebags, and he is Japile, minus 200 lbs. Hard to see the field when his head is up his hindparts.
"God will understand. And if he does not understand, then he is not God, and we need not worry." -Orlando Bloom, Kingdom of Heaven
by angelesoterica on Sep 13, 2011 12:18 PM PDT up reply actions
What?
He got busted for trading a memorabilia for some tattoos and driving some borrowed cars, victimless offenses that the majority of high profile NCAA athletes commit. Remember, Pryor was one of several Buckeye players who were busted, it wasn’t just him. Hell, Sports Illustrated said that 28 Ohio St players had been singled out for doing this exact same thing since 2002! Those are just they guys who have been caught too…
And don’t say by doing driving these cars and getting tattoos was “putting himself ahead of the team”, because that’s crap. He’s a 21 year old kid with no money, making millions of dollars for Ohio State University. Almost anyone in that position would take what he took and it’s become commonplace in NCAA sports for athletes to get illegal perks. Like it or not, that is the way it is. Reggie Bush, everyone in the the Nevin Shapiro-U of Miami scandal, college football players are being compensated under the table everywhere. Also, he hadn’t been in any trouble prior to these events.
Jim Tressel, who was affected by Pryor’s mistakes and lost his job, was the first person to Pryor’s defense saying what a stand up guy he is and that he is not a bad person. Tressel went on to say Terelle is the hardest working player he’s ever been around and that he has the utmost respect for him. I trust Coach Tressel’s word over ANY media personalty. He has no reason to lie for Pryor at this point, he’s already lost his job.
In the end, I’m not saying what Pryor did wasn’t wrong. It was. But what I am saying is that he does not deserve to be judged on these actions alone. Especially considering what he was doing had been the stats quo at Ohio State for a long time. Also, you comparing him to JaMarcus Russel is a lazy and ignorant thing to do. There are practically no parallels between the two, other than they are black and play quarterback.
I’ll leave you with this excellent passage from an excellent article on the Pryor situation that everyone should read:
You can blame every player like Terrelle Pryor who has ever played college football in the history of the nation and be more accurate at assigning culpability than to look at Pryor individually. Bottom line is this can’t be about Pryor, really. It is so much bigger.
This is about a game where money flows like water. Yet there is a giant dam in front of the locker rooms to keep any of the players from drinking. Then we get angry and judgmental when they find a drink wherever they can. Some guys are thirsty. Others are greedy. Regardless, the goals and benefits aren’t really aligned.
In the end, I find that there are no simple answers. Obviously Jim Tressel needs to ultimately take the blame for his own actions no matter who put him in the spot. Unfortunately for Terrelle Pryor, I think he will always have a scarlet letter on him among Buckeye fans. Just make sure you think it all the way through before you help perpetuate that line of thinking. If it hadn’t been Pryor, don’t you think it would have been another player in this falsely puritanical athletic system the NCAA is running?
LINK:
http://www.waitingfornextyear.com/2011/05/blaming-terrelle-pryor-is-misguided/
I was referring to driving those borrowed cars while the bright lights of BSPN and national media were trained on him
When you know the cops are behind you, do you crack a beer? Light a joint? Hit the gas? No. You check your speed and hope they don’t find a reason to pull you over.
You assume I’m mad at him for selling some useless Ohighlyoverrated State garbage for a couple sweet rides and some ink. Shit, my position coach in high school bought me some burgers after a long road trip for a game played near the Canadian border and I thought nothing of it. So no, that didn’t piss me off. But you don’t think that, with tons of cameras in town and license suspended, the star QB couldn’t hitch a ride to a team meeting? And on top of that, rather than letting OSU suspend him from the team and guaranteeing a spot in the supplemental draft, he quits, and lets Rosenhaus weasel him in?
I won’t even mention the sanctimonius, self-righteous asshole Tressel’s endorsement of him. I’m sure he thought Clarett was a standup guy too.
"God will understand. And if he does not understand, then he is not God, and we need not worry." -Orlando Bloom, Kingdom of Heaven
by angelesoterica on Sep 13, 2011 1:57 PM PDT up reply actions
Overall, the main deal braker here is: Terrelle Pryor will work hard.
Why you say? He has to earn his money and he knows it. Clarret got his as a 1st rounder. Russell didn’t have to, you just can’t compare them. Plus I know Pryor is football smart, Russell was not and slept in meetings. Work for your money.
The RaiderLaker
I suppose I kind of see your points
although I don’t agree with how you interpret them. I still have no idea why you compare him to JaMarcus, that makes absolutely zero sense.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zvLqV7tmZDs&feature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BBognMAW9Es&feature=related
by Rodney Sacramento on Sep 14, 2011 1:55 PM PDT up reply actions
The problem with your post is...
That you obviously don’t like Ohio State. When you can’t post a reasonable explanation without taking a shot at a college you don’t like people (like me) tend to not take you seriously. To be fair I am an OSU fan and lifelong Raider fan and I hold no grudges against TP. OSU got themselves into this mess by not having a decent backup QB for just a situation like this, so even if he had stayed it wouldn’t have helped OSU or TP. The big problem here is that nothing he did should have been against the rules, but for now they are. If nothing else I think what happened to him and the others very recently will shine as big a spotlight on the bogus rules in college like the “Snow Job” did to the NFL. Hopefully the NCAA won’t be as against change as the NFL has been.
Agreed, I live in the mid-west now and watch Ohio State every week
I have always loved their program, one of the great programs in America…
by Rodney Sacramento on Sep 21, 2011 8:44 PM PDT up reply actions
Kyle B people have NO clue the pressures these kids are under day to day...
Even back in the day when I played in College boosters were always trying to do something for you, of course, then it was Not near as policed, but today with drug testing and everything else that goes along with it, its tough. I can tell you if they tested for Marijuana when I played they would have cancelled the NCAA Football season nationwide, No one would have been able to field a team, if it wasn’t the Herb it was the juice, it was crazy. Now, its about money, the school gets it and the players don’t. The kid made a mistake and it wasn’t taking thousands of dollars, its a joke…
by Rodney Sacramento on Sep 23, 2011 3:34 PM PDT up reply actions
You can't compare any QB to Peyton Manning he is one of the greatest of all times....
And if you did it would be to the best, Joe Montana, John Elway, Dan Marino, Troy Aikman, Tom Brady. I will say once drafted every report had Cam not being able to play in the pro system effectively.. Damn as I reflect on my playing days they said the same thing about Warren Moon and wanted to make him a DB..go figure… Otto Graham was in his fourth season when he threw for 346 yards after two leagues had merged, AAFC with the NFL, thus Graham was not a rookie, it was his first pro game in the NFL, though he had been playing professionally for years. Had Art had his head on right he could have a decent career in the league, however, a gambling addiction cost him everything.
Needless to say, I knew this post would be controversial and rightly so, I look forward to when I can reflect back to this, right or wrong…lol
by Rodney Sacramento on Sep 12, 2011 1:07 PM PDT reply actions
It's not controversial so much as it is mind numbing.
Not a dis, but c’mon man.
MexicAN AmericAN VegAN
Give Pryor a shot a QB, if he can't cut it, convert him to WR/TE
I like the pickup. He could turn out to be absolutely monegbags. The guy is a freak athlete. Speed translates seamlessly from college to the NFL, and TP is quick.
I Rep the Dirty 209 (unfortunately)
Rodney, you're jumping the gun.
Yes they have a lot similarities – black, young, good looking, athletic freaks of nature, both dipping in the honey, etc. However, newton won no matter what – JR college (after getting booted from FL) and Auburn against a brutal schedule that included Bama, LSU, FL to simply win the SEC. I can’t remember a scout knocking a QB who won that much with leadership issues and a fake smile as we saw prior to the draft. McMahon showing at camp drunk, with a beer and a cigar, didn’t get that abuse. It’s ok to go there, black QBs have to do twice as much to receive half the props. I digress. Newton came to camp hungry with a chip determined to prove that he belongs. He immersed himself in the playbook right after the draft. Pryor is a solid pick in the 3rd round, no problem there. Will he immerse himself and work on his craft knowing that he may not play this year. We can’t tell. It’s too early as he’s not even on the roster.
raiders4life...without question Pryor has not played a down nor has he had a training camp
to speak of… Looking at his game in College is where I draw my opinions…Afterall it is only my opinion, it was my opinion that Mike Vick would be great for the Raiders..of course, it was only my opinion.. I believe that Terrelle Pryor will one day be a star for the Raiders or some other team…Cam Newton as well. Terrelle Pryor reminds me of Randall Cunningham when I watched him play.. On Black QB’s No Question about that, many statements here are because these are Black QB’s, however, I just ignor stupidity. I played against Warren Moon in College, and in High School against Robert “Spider” Gaines his top receiver and to see Moon come out of the U Dub and NOT get drafted as a QB was crazy to me, however, in 1978 it was the order of the day..James Harris was the only Black QB with some real success at that point. I will state that when Warren retired he was 3rd in overall passing yardage, and 4th in touchdowns I believe, what would those numbers have been had he play every year in the NFL instead of 6 years in Canada.
by Rodney Sacramento on Sep 13, 2011 10:22 AM PDT up reply actions
Moon
only player to be in both NFL and CFL hall of fame. The guy won 5 grey cups in a row up there and couldn’t get a shot until the oilers got desperate…
by raiders4liffe on Sep 14, 2011 1:56 AM PDT up reply actions
Jumping the gun?
Maybe he went into the future via the Flux Capacitor that operates out of the South Hayward Bart Station….
The cowards never started, the weak died along the way....
by BlackHeartSilverEyes on Sep 13, 2011 12:29 PM PDT up reply actions
what's wrong with driving
a deLorean? That shade of grey is the new chocolate brown that was formely the new black.
by raiders4liffe on Sep 14, 2011 1:48 AM PDT up reply actions
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zvLqV7tmZDs&feature=related
by Rodney Sacramento on Sep 14, 2011 1:55 PM PDT up reply actions
looking at the video,
terrel needs work – setting his feet, his release is not that quick, and the balls doesn’t have a consistent spiral. He can get there with the right tutelage and more importantly, effort. at this point, he’s no Newton but still a solid pick.
by raiders4liffe on Sep 19, 2011 12:55 AM PDT up reply actions
Lol..who needs a perfect spiral, he throws a catchable ball, Jim Plunkett type passes
but delivers the passes. The numbers don’t lie, his footwork is fine, you guys have to get off this prototypical QB stuff. He will be fine…Cam doesn’t have prototypical footwork but throws a spiral…As long as the balls is delivered is all that matters, his passes are easier to catch than John Elways were, you’d bread a finger learning to catch his passes.. TP will be outstanding…
by Rodney Sacramento on Sep 21, 2011 8:50 PM PDT up reply actions
it's one thing
in college when your receivers are open by 10 yards than the NFL when you’re picking a 1 yrd gap, at times, particularly with 300 lbs linesmen running 5.1, 40 yrds sprints. You need to set quickly and your release has to zip, you know that. Can he get there, absolutely. Is he Can Newton ready, no way. Cam’s balls are zipped out in tight spirals; that’s what most surprising, his passing capabilities and confidence. He looked unsure during the pre-season but he’s killing it. Question, who would you rather have? Stafford, Bradford, or Newton?
by raiders4liffe on Sep 23, 2011 1:12 AM PDT up reply actions
raiders4life to be fair we have to wait until after his second season to know..
Stafford and Bradford are NOT rookies, right now Cam is on a tear, but its only two games. I dont think its luck at this point. Most here doubt Pryor, I don’t.. Now we will come revisit this when everyone is giving him his props. Pryor is going to kill it watch….
by Rodney Sacramento on Sep 23, 2011 3:11 PM PDT up reply actions
so what?
You can pick today – Stafford, Bradford, Newton, or even Freeman, who do you pick?
by raiders4liffe on Sep 25, 2011 10:14 AM PDT up reply actions
I'm not comparing piles of dogshit.
Both these guys are equally worthless.
"I'm surrounded by assholes. Keep firing, assholes!"
Yes, I am in full Nostradamus mode, Terrelle Pryor delivers the ball with great touch..
very catchable passes and he throws down field accurately…Next preseason we’ll get to see him, he won’t get off the bench this year if our plans go right…lol
by Rodney Sacramento on Sep 13, 2011 6:49 PM PDT reply actions
Terelle Pryor working out with Chad Ochocinco...
by Rodney Sacramento on Sep 13, 2011 7:11 PM PDT reply actions
I knew this shit would happen when they drafted Pryor.
JC has a great game and will still treated to this put in the rookie crap.
We have sooooo many more problems than quarterback with this team.
It’s such a stupid distraction, rookie projects like Pryor are 3 or 4 years down the road, if at all.
Trade him for a cornerback, or a linebacker already.
What possessed you to post this now, could n’t even wait until JC had a shitty game?
How many int’s did Newton throw on Sunday ?
by Oceanside Raider on Sep 22, 2011 12:04 AM PDT reply actions
Does the praise that Taiwan is receiving also bother you? Will it hurt DMCs play in any way?
We don’t have a back-up, so the sooner we get someone pressuring Jason the better off we (the Raiders) will be.
S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
"I made a trade for Seymour. ..I thought it was a great trade. Still do. [Al Davis 1/2011]
"I love to win, even against my daughters, I want to win" Hue "Action" Jackson 8/19/11
by Sons-of-Blanda on Sep 22, 2011 10:13 PM PDT up reply actions
Rookie running backs can be productive and contribute, rookie quarterbacks not so much.
Plus the Raiders have a pathetic record with their quarterback draft picks going back to the mid-eighties: Todd Marinovich, Rusty Hilger, Billy Joe Toliver, Andrew Walter, Marc Wilson (the best of this sorry group) and of course the crown jewel of stink, Purple Drank.
What makes you think Pryor will be any better? He is already labeled as a project (how many of those ever pan out?) The comparisons with Cam Newton are a little ridiculous, yes he is a black mobile quarterback, so is/was Kordell Stewart and Dennis Dixon – he is more likely at their level of play than Newton’s.
by Oceanside Raider on Sep 23, 2011 12:35 AM PDT up reply actions
The point is, we don't have a strong alternative to Jason AND it would be a possitive (not a negative) if we did.
S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
"I made a trade for Seymour. ..I thought it was a great trade. Still do. [Al Davis 1/2011]
"I love to win, even against my daughters, I want to win" Hue "Action" Jackson 8/19/11
by Sons-of-Blanda on Sep 23, 2011 1:51 PM PDT up reply actions
That is a good point about a backup or maybe add a wild cat package but for Pryor to be a viable
NFL quarterback at this point seems pretty far fetched. Rodney seems to have a man crushed based upon exactly 0 NFL snaps.
by Oceanside Raider on Sep 23, 2011 2:11 PM PDT up reply actions
Lol, Oceanside Raider the difference between you and I on Pryor is I watched him play...
at least 12 games over the last two years and I saw Cam Newton play 6 last year. So you sit back and talk about what he can and can’t do, I am telling you what I have seen him do. He is quick enough, fast enough and accurate enough to kill it in this league. And he can throw the ball on the run with accuracy and out run any lineman and most DB’s for that matter. He is going to kill it and the Raidres in my opinion stole him for that third round pick. How many draft picks have we had that people believed in. I knew J-Russ was going to have all kinds of problems when he got to the Raiders, but no one believed that either. Mike Vick people screamed nooo…I have been around enough football Div 1 and the NFL directly to have a sense when a player has what it takes. I am right more than I am wrong, and that includes on this blog. So man crush…Not at all, I just know something about NFL ability and this kid has it. Now if I am wrong, you can just blast me, however, I look forward to reposting this…Pryor has not thrown a pass but when he does, he will NOT come off the field…Go Raiders!!
by Rodney Sacramento on Sep 23, 2011 3:20 PM PDT reply actions
Rodney I hope you are right and that Pryor was a good pick.
I respect your football knowledge, but I’m hoping that JC plays well enough that Pryor holds a clipboard for the next 3 or 4 years.
by Oceanside Raider on Sep 23, 2011 5:38 PM PDT up reply actions
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