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Apology for Raider Penalties

Much dismay and hand-wringing did, and continues to, occur as a result of the 16 penalties levied against our beloved Raiders. I do not dismiss penalties as something endearing or distinctly Raider but do think we need to look at those penalties more closely and (if you're inclined) consider them in the context of when they occurred.  

First of all, the Raiders are assuming the identity of, for lack of a better term, Bullies (though I'd prefer Ruthless Agents of Dominance and Humiliation) and as such are going to push the envelope a bit. Sure enough Oakland did just that in Denver.

Desmond Bryant - Unnecessary Roughness X 2 

Rolando McClain - Unnecessary Roughness X 2

Matt Shaughnessy - Roughing the Passer

These 5 (of the 16 penalties) I rate as positive achievements to be encouraged and praised (parents should take note of them and instruct their children to emulate them accordingly). These types of penalties are going to happen when a team 'cuts it loose" , assumes the Alpha Dog mode and goes Medieval.   

Next, we have the 5 Gray Area penalties, assessed, perhaps, by overzealous officials performing their duties under the effeminate administration of the Pink Commissioner.

Chris Johnson - Illegal Contact

Stanford Routt - Pass Interference

Stanford Rout - Holding

Stefen Wizniewski - Holding (actually a Greco-Roman take-down)

DeMarcus Van Dyke - Holding

The remaining 6 penalties were admittedly distasteful in that mental weakness was their cause -lack of concentration.

Stefen Wizniewski - False Start

Stephon Heyer - False Start  X 2

Darren McFadden - False Start

Trevor Scott - Offside

Joe Porter - Offside 

And so I ask each and all, do not lump all penalties into the same heap; some are good penalties (clear signs of good health) while others are not. 

Thank you, and God Bless Hue!

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Unnecessary Roughness/Personal Foul penalties are never good

Ever. Period. Especially when they happen on 3rd down when the defense otherwise would have been off the field.

"BA doesn't stand for Batting Average. It’s Brandon Allen, as in the percentage of a hitter’s worth compared to Brandon Allen. Ted Williams, at his best, was only 4/10th of the hitter Brandon Allen is today." - YonYonson

by hero66 on Sep 13, 2011 10:26 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

I agree with sons

on this one, in the right context an unecessary roughness penalty is a small price to pay for dominating the line of scrimage

by SanJoseRaider on Sep 13, 2011 10:35 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

but is the penalty you took the

cause of the domination? I would say that’s backwards… the penalty came after the domination and really had nothing to do, in any causal sense, with the domination that occured, at least on most plays, I would say.

By Grabthar's hammer and the hands of Zeus, I shall avenge thee.

by anduriliam on Sep 14, 2011 12:55 AM PDT up reply actions  

in other words

a) did the penalty cause the domination, or b) did the domination cause the penalty? I’d say it’s b). If b) is true, then it’s possible to keep the domination but play smarter so as to limit the effects of the cause (domination). However, is a) is true (and I don’t think it is): then you obviously would have to keep committing penalties in order to dominate, but I’m grateful that this isn’t the case.

By Grabthar's hammer and the hands of Zeus, I shall avenge thee.

by anduriliam on Sep 14, 2011 1:08 AM PDT up reply actions  

B, our noble penalties flowed from the dominant spirit, the intensity of which is not contained within the artificial

strictures imposed.

S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
"I made a trade for Seymour. ..I thought it was a great trade. Still do. [Al Davis 1/2011]
"I love to win, even against my daughters, I want to win" Hue "Action" Jackson 8/19/11

by Sons-of-Blanda on Sep 14, 2011 8:09 AM PDT up reply actions  

in my opinion - wrong

The unnecessary roughness penalties were not acts of domination. They were an acts of stupidity, and showed players who are unable to control their emotions in the heat of battle. It looked to me like they were bated into these penalties by the Denver players, and they were stupid enough to retaliate.

If this was supposed to be interpreted as an act of domination, they should see the result – points for Denver. These could have easily been the difference between winning and losing against a bad denver team.

by markdog333 on Sep 14, 2011 11:28 AM PDT up reply actions  

All payoffs for roughing are not equal, just as all penalties are not. You would throw the baby out with the bath water?

S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
"I made a trade for Seymour. ..I thought it was a great trade. Still do. [Al Davis 1/2011]
"I love to win, even against my daughters, I want to win" Hue "Action" Jackson 8/19/11

by Sons-of-Blanda on Sep 14, 2011 11:40 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yes

The primary objective is winning. Anything that gets in the way of that has to go.

I’m all for hitting the quarterback early and often. Even given the context of 3rd and long, Matt’s penalty didn’t really bother me that much.

It is the other ones that have to go. The ones where denver offense comes up short on 3rd down. Their OL gives one of our defenders a shove in a back to try to provoke something, and it works. Then the other team just laughs and walks back to the huddle. How stupid is that??? I’m barely getting my voice back today…and my dog is afraid of me still.

by markdog333 on Sep 14, 2011 11:57 AM PDT up reply actions  

Agree. Payback must be paid in full and with interest - but served cold at the right time

S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
"I made a trade for Seymour. ..I thought it was a great trade. Still do. [Al Davis 1/2011]
"I love to win, even against my daughters, I want to win" Hue "Action" Jackson 8/19/11

by Sons-of-Blanda on Sep 14, 2011 12:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

+a lot

"BA doesn't stand for Batting Average. It’s Brandon Allen, as in the percentage of a hitter’s worth compared to Brandon Allen. Ted Williams, at his best, was only 4/10th of the hitter Brandon Allen is today." - YonYonson

by hero66 on Sep 14, 2011 12:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

Timing Was The Only Problem With These Rule Altercations...

On 3rd dn it gave the ball back to their “O” thus NO dominance was experienced in those cases…Just dumbness…Than it happened again on that same drive leading them right down the field for points…This gave up dominance NOT earned it…

If I remember correctly we had them in a 2nd-n-long or 3rd-n-long and let them off the hook…That was just bad!!!…

If done on 1st dn at their 20 it minimizes the adverse effects…They get another 1st dn 15 yrd down field but now have you in their head…Are you coming again???…So bring it twice accounting for 30 yds but allot of anguish…Now show it but don’t give up the easy yds…Play smart….Their already at your 50 by now….

by PantyRaider on Sep 14, 2011 2:58 AM PDT up reply actions  

Completely agree with the above two posts

The penalties in this case were caused by the existing domination of the Raiders over the Broncos, and due to their often illegal efforts to restrict said domination. The D needs to play smarter and keep in mind the game position, field position and down. They can’t afford to extend drives if they want to be successful, these penalties didn’t dominate the Broncos, they allowed them to stay in the game.

I watched the reply of the Jets/Cowboys game last night on NFL Network. Darrelle Revis was miked for the game and his performance was a great example for our D. Dez Bryant was slapping him seven ways from Sunday, getting in his face and doing everything he could to provoke Revis because fromt he second quarter on he was being dominated. Revis just laughed, didn’t react. He knew he was dominant, Bryant knew he was dominant. He didn’t need to prove it with some stupid action.

That said. I do agree that there is the odd occasion when a Roughing the Passer call can be beneficial. But you have to be aware of the game situation. The Raiders on Monday had the game by the scruff of the neck and tried hard to give it away due to the penalties.

by realbrit70 on Sep 14, 2011 7:36 AM PDT up reply actions  

It's a judgment call, the game is being changed for the worse

S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
"I made a trade for Seymour. ..I thought it was a great trade. Still do. [Al Davis 1/2011]
"I love to win, even against my daughters, I want to win" Hue "Action" Jackson 8/19/11

by Sons-of-Blanda on Sep 13, 2011 10:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

No acceptable penalty homeschooling?

S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
"I made a trade for Seymour. ..I thought it was a great trade. Still do. [Al Davis 1/2011]
"I love to win, even against my daughters, I want to win" Hue "Action" Jackson 8/19/11

by Sons-of-Blanda on Sep 13, 2011 10:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

My only issue is that we extended their shitty drives

SIX FUCKING TIMES. I don’t mind the “tone setting” roughness penalties, but two personal fouls on DTs is a little extreme,

False starts and offsides shouldn’t happen…

The PI and IC calls were usually complete bullshit…

we never retreat we always ATTACK!!!

by transparent58 on Sep 13, 2011 11:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

That was one of my issues!

I felt Denver was dirty! The held the D-Line almost every play. There should have been at least another 5+ for Denver. That said it doesn’t excuse stupid penalties at all! As loud as it got their some of the false starts that’s just gonna happen. Denver did a great job of goading the defense and making them chippy! Our guys need to be just as aggressive just control it a lil bit better. Don’t let up on the intensity at all!

by samiam2112 on Sep 13, 2011 11:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

or maybe control it a lot better...

a little bit better only knocks a few of those penalties away… IMO. :]

By Grabthar's hammer and the hands of Zeus, I shall avenge thee.

by anduriliam on Sep 14, 2011 1:05 AM PDT up reply actions  

I think when it becomes apparent that an o-line can't hang

and are holding on every play, the refs start letting it slide out of pity.

by lchristmas on Sep 14, 2011 9:49 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

Right!

Save it for the next play!

You are pissed off. Hold it for 30 freaking seconds and guess what…you get to hit someone as soon as the next play starts. And if you really want to retaliate, hit them where it really hurts – the scoreboard!! At the end of the day all that matters is who won the game.

by markdog333 on Sep 14, 2011 11:35 AM PDT up reply actions  

You can call a penalty on every play

especially in the trenches. Every OL holds on every play, and the DLs use any number of dirty tricks to escape their grasp. If you just watch the line film from any game, you’ll see punches to the stomach, knees and punches to the junk, among other things…it’s the nature of the trenches.

we never retreat we always ATTACK!!!

by transparent58 on Sep 14, 2011 12:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

I totally get that...

It was beyond a lil here and a lil there. They were hooking and turning dudes like they were swing dancing. When I watch I admit when we get away with one. Just always seems like we get lambasted for being an undisciplined. While the opposing team get lauded for their play and meanwhile they are commuting more penalties then we are. The Jets had 0 penalties? No holding calls while Dallas but blitzing the asses hard? Just how it is when your a Raider. After 40 years I’m pretty used to it!

by samiam2112 on Sep 14, 2011 12:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

you have a point

Those penalties have a place on first, or second downs. But other than that i think it’s a small price to pay just because of the psychological edge it gives you.

by Horatio R. on Sep 13, 2011 11:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

Your argument is invalid. Image related.


Unnecessary Roughness is the best penalty to get. The Raiders should wear it like a badge of honor.

Roughing the passer is the second best.

by Jason Scarbrough on Sep 14, 2011 12:51 AM PDT up reply actions  

I agree 100%

The Rolando Slam and Seymour Punch were pretty much my favourite plays of last season!

"We’re going to be a tough, rugged football team that walks with a swagger and plays the way the Raiders used to play." Hue Jackson

"Just win baby. That’s what Al Davis says and that’s all I want to do. . . . I just want to be the best, and I just want to win." - Terrelle Pryor

by Ozraider on Sep 14, 2011 1:56 AM PDT up reply actions  

Good Unneccessary Roughness

penalties are few and far between. This is one of the few where its understandable, Amendola already had the first down. On 3rd and 10, when we stop Denver and Ro or Bryant decides to throw a punch after the play is not acceptable. We almost lost the game on Monday largely due to the fact that we gave up 75 yards on extra curricular activity penalties. Think about that. That’s essentially two full drives into FG range.

Those may have been called unnecessary roughness, but they were essentially unsportsmanlike conduct. The same people who are praising our unnecessary roughness penalties are complaining about the “cheap shot” took on McFadden with that helmet/neck tackle.

CJ’s illegal contact looked a bit suspicious. I hate that this penalty gives up a first down regardless. He probably hit Lloyd at the 6th yard after the line of scrimmage on a ball that was clearly overthrown/out of bounds and it goes from like 3rd and 20 to 1st and 10.

by Terps12 on Sep 14, 2011 5:29 AM PDT up reply actions  

I don't mind the occasional lapses

but when the penalties negate an otherwise brilliant play that helped your team, double hurting you, it’s a clear lapse of focus on what’s important. I don’t mind some of the unecessary roughness and bs that will be called, and I for one was very pleased to see it in Bryant, so all in all, I expect some penalties to be called on us, but we can all agree we need to minimize the ones that stall our own drives, and those that put our opponents in the freaking red zone and give offense where it isn’t.

Good breakdown of these, btw. Didn’t Denver actually have more flags than us? There’s the noise factor and lack of cohesion by this young O line too, which is to be expected to a certain degree. So long as we improve week to week.

"tough times call for perseverance and a tough mind. I have been told that I can't play football before. We all know what happened with that. #neverquit"--Mark Herzlich

""The massive Raider Nation is beyond doubt the sleaziest and rudest and most sinister mob of thugs and wackos ever assembled."--Hunter S. Thompson

by brhynno on Sep 13, 2011 10:39 PM PDT reply actions  

They had 10, mostly holding and false starts

S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
"I made a trade for Seymour. ..I thought it was a great trade. Still do. [Al Davis 1/2011]
"I love to win, even against my daughters, I want to win" Hue "Action" Jackson 8/19/11

by Sons-of-Blanda on Sep 13, 2011 10:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

yeah sometimes the unnecessary/roughing is a good thing

But the specific roughing the passer/ unnecessary roughness on 3rd and long on a pass that Orton threw into the ground, which would have ended a drive could hurt us in a different game under different circumstances. I think its about when these penalties happen, gotta have poise under pressure as hue said earlier today….I believe that.

by Toolshed1485 on Sep 13, 2011 10:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

I pray Shaughnessy does the same to Fitzpatrick, Sanchez and (especially) Brady

S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
"I made a trade for Seymour. ..I thought it was a great trade. Still do. [Al Davis 1/2011]
"I love to win, even against my daughters, I want to win" Hue "Action" Jackson 8/19/11

by Sons-of-Blanda on Sep 13, 2011 10:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

Don't get me started on that one!

That call was almost as bad as the “Immaculate Deception” neither of those calls were within the integrity of the game whatsofucking ever!

by samiam2112 on Sep 14, 2011 9:13 AM PDT up reply actions  

If yall remeber Tony Serrafatassgusa squashed Rich Gannon

His lard absolutely crushed Rich Gannon and separated his shoulder… Crushing our chances in that game… As long as it’s a clean hit I’m ok with it. Shawn Goodyear Rogers did the same3 thing the Boller and we got no call.

The facemask penalty that Ayers committed on McFadden was worthy of an ejection… That was not a football play! That’s where the line needs to be drawn. If it’s a football play it happens when it’s cheap and dirty it needs to go away.

by samiam2112 on Sep 14, 2011 9:11 AM PDT up reply actions  

Well, first Gannon should have taken himself out the game earlier...next

we should have had a worthy backup QB…I was pissed…On Brady, that tuck rule was our fault, we had NO BUSINESS playing that game in Foxborough, we should have been in Oakland…Had we won just one game Home Field was ours..go figure..

by Rodney Sacramento on Sep 14, 2011 12:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

agreed BUT

not on our end of the field, and not if were trailing and a 15 yard penalty puts them in first and goal…its situational for sure…..at one end of the spectrum, it can be that motivating spark that sets off the defense and brings up the aggression to that next level, and at the other end of the spectrum it can represent a complete breakdown in composure and make a dire situation even worse….

by Toolshed1485 on Sep 13, 2011 11:02 PM PDT reply actions  

Reminds me of the glory day Raider teams

Albeit, more physicality was allowed back then, but those great defenses constantly pushed the envelope on “dirty plays” because they knew they would still win the game anyway. The W is all that matters, and if you can intimidate your opponents with said physicality (much like the Steelers do now), the penalties will not make much difference. That being said, 3rd and long is never a good time to draw a dumb penalty!

"In football, I root for the Oakland Raiders because they hire castoffs, outlaws, malcontents, and f*ck -ups, they have lots of penalties, fights, and paybacks, and because Al Davis told the rest of the pig NFL owners to go get f*cked... Someday, the Raiders will be strong again, and they will dip the ball in **** and shove it down the throats of the wholesome, white, heartland teams that pray together and don't deliver late hits"
– George Carlin

by AlDavis4Prez on Sep 13, 2011 11:14 PM PDT via iPhone app reply actions  

OK When You Have The Lead And Can Just Pin Those Ears Back And Bring It....That's What They Did...

But in a game where your playing from behind it just hinders your advancement while giving them the edge…Unless you take someone out with it!!!

by PantyRaider on Sep 14, 2011 3:17 AM PDT up reply actions  

down & distance

places some of those aggresive penalties in the stupid category though!

by rnpljnsn on Sep 13, 2011 11:19 PM PDT reply actions  

So ladies … How would u guys grade chucks first game as dcoord.? I thought he did well. I expect bigger things from him and the d. Also I’m rootin for Calvin and the lions to rip apart the queefs!!!

by RaiderKilluminati on Sep 13, 2011 11:42 PM PDT via mobile reply actions  

Not Sure What "Ladies" Your Posting To But I Will Adress That QuestionAs A Man!!!...LoL!!

I liked him when he was with us at the turn of the century and was not one of the ones who was put out with his return..I was pimping Winston Moss to come back but when it was Bresnahan I accepted it…

#1…Immediate mass improvement against the Run….

#2…Flex to the pass but stiff near that RedZone…

#3…Good pressure and continual….

#4…More creative with scheme and coverages…

#5…Aggressive!!!

by PantyRaider on Sep 14, 2011 3:23 AM PDT up reply actions  

I like how he mixed things up

We saw some heat from the safeties and Shaghnessy’s sack came on a line stunt, which I can’t remember seeing very often. It was the closest to a modern defense I’ve seen from Oakland in years. The run D was very good, and the pass D was bend but don’t break, plus the zebras extended some of their drives with bullshit calls on CJ and Routt.

I liked how active the safeties were, and I really liked how McClain was used, and covered.

Bresnahan surprised me with all the different things he did…

we never retreat we always ATTACK!!!

by transparent58 on Sep 14, 2011 11:22 AM PDT up reply actions  

The oline surprised me. Only one sack if I’m not mistaken and it came when Heyer was at rt. He didn’t look good from what I saw. Hopefully barksdale and bcampbell are comin alOng well

by RaiderKilluminati on Sep 13, 2011 11:48 PM PDT via mobile reply actions  

But then again it was the donkey dline. Not to sound pessimistic but the bills dline is leaps and bounds better than the donkeys I think with the rook Marcel and Williams

by RaiderKilluminati on Sep 13, 2011 11:51 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

but it was "VonDoom"

possibly the greatest duo in the history of humanity since peanut butter and jelly

some football experts foretold that they would wreak havoc on every single play!

by lchristmas on Sep 14, 2011 10:46 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

The same pundits who have us in the Power Rankings at low and mid 20's

S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
"I made a trade for Seymour. ..I thought it was a great trade. Still do. [Al Davis 1/2011]
"I love to win, even against my daughters, I want to win" Hue "Action" Jackson 8/19/11

by Sons-of-Blanda on Sep 14, 2011 11:13 AM PDT up reply actions  

And the same pundits that

have us losing in Buffalo on Sunday, unanimously, on ESPN.

we never retreat we always ATTACK!!!

by transparent58 on Sep 16, 2011 7:58 AM PDT up reply actions  

given this team's history with penalties

I’d prefer to err on the side of saying that no penalty is a good penalty, at least for now; I think that should be the attitude going forward until the team becomes more disciplined.

By Grabthar's hammer and the hands of Zeus, I shall avenge thee.

by anduriliam on Sep 14, 2011 12:52 AM PDT reply actions  

with respect, I would also say that

while the attitude represented by this article remains prevalent, the Raiders probably won’t ever become a more disciplined team that doesn’t, on most weeks, at least try to beat themselves. Officiating can be blamed, but it can’t be changed. The only thing you can change is your own attitude—I believe this team can beat any team in the league, if they’re disciplined, more so than they are now. As I said earlier: better to err on the side of caution when trying to correct a problem: in other words, skip cake altogether until you’ve developed better eating habits, then once you’ve developed those better eating habits, it’s okay to have some cake every now and then. In this analogy, obviously, the “cake” represents an “ok” penalty. The Raiders have some bad eating habits, and they should be staying away from any mentality that might lead them to perpetuate those bad “eating” habits until they’ve developed more healthy habits. No penalty is good, for now at least. Say what you want, this is my position: no apologies. ;)

By Grabthar's hammer and the hands of Zeus, I shall avenge thee.

by anduriliam on Sep 14, 2011 1:02 AM PDT up reply actions  

The concentration penalties are pretty annoying especially the false starts and offsides, no real excuse for these

Holding can can be an difficult one as I would rather a holding penalty than for the Oline to let someone in the back field to completely blow up a play possibly causing a fumble, getting the QB killed etc.

I am cool with a few unnecessary roughness or roughing the passer penalties although I would just prefer them in the opposing teams own half instead of close to the red zone on third down a la Shaughnasty but even still I like the aggression.

"We’re going to be a tough, rugged football team that walks with a swagger and plays the way the Raiders used to play." Hue Jackson

"Just win baby. That’s what Al Davis says and that’s all I want to do. . . . I just want to be the best, and I just want to win." - Terrelle Pryor

by Ozraider on Sep 14, 2011 1:52 AM PDT reply actions  

My biggest problem with penalties is that WE are 95 percent of the time each game are getting the penalties. Most games I have seen us play that the other team does the same thing but no flag is thrown!!!! We know we will get the penalties so we might as well make the penalty worth it. Roughing the passer…make it worth by taking that QB out!!! Pass interference…take out the WR’s arm or leg!!!

by Archangel25 on Sep 14, 2011 4:16 AM PDT reply actions  

Son's I can agree on false starts to a certain point, Offsides for sure...However,

unnecessary roughness on a 3rd down is unacceptable, especially when the penalty is moving the ball. Roughness is acceptable when the player you are up against is playing dirty, a statement can be necessary because you don’t want to let a player think you are going to accept their bullsh-t.. The Raiders talent is whipping the opposing team physically anyway is also my point. Roughing the passer is another unnecessary penalty because the QB has released the ball and if the penalty is called correctly you could have avoided hitting the QB and chose to do so. Also, because you can do it is not always the best reason, I know I don’t want players taking shots at my QB unnecessarily, and you had better believe if you rough my QB, I am roughing yours, even off a corner blitz…lol

Pass interference, and I have had a few of those…lol If I am beat and it will stop a score its a no brainer. However, if you play the ball you can avoid those calls and that in itself is easier said than done most times. Corners will not take their eyes off the receiver if their body is in the wrong position. If you do, when you look back he can be gone!! So when you are screaming on your couch to look back, look back..lol For the most part they don’t have their body in the right postion to do so without running the risk of losing the Wideout and that is disasterous and an extemely bad habit to get. It’s only when you are constantly getting beat and are grabbing and holding almost every play that here is a problem. Proper technique can keep a DB in position to not get in trouble if he has speed, Penalties are indeed necessary sometime, I would rather not allow a score and have a chance to stop that, than to just allow a touchdown when I could have stopped it, even if I have to hold the guy…lol Then on the other hand certain penalties are plain stupid and hurt the team, like giving up 15 yards and first down when you have shutdown the opposing offense. That is how you LOSE games!!!

So it depends on the situation when a penalty is flagrant, a flagrant/intentional penalty should only happen if it helps the team, (i.e. Prevents a Touchdown) not when it hurts the team.(i.e. gives the opposing team a first down when they would punt otherwise)

by Rodney Sacramento on Sep 14, 2011 5:08 AM PDT reply actions  

+1

I always find myself yelling at our corners to find the ball… I guess its bad to know that they aren’t looking because they are out of position haha…

by Terps12 on Sep 14, 2011 5:35 AM PDT up reply actions  

Terps12 its not so much a bad thing, because they may be in position to defend...

but not in postion to look away from the receiver. Remember a Corner is chasing this guy all day, so as I mentioned its easier said than done when it comes to being able to take a peek…lol If you can break with the WR and have your body facing the QB as well, you can look because the WR is in your sights. But as a rule you can NEVER lose sight of the man you are guarding or pow..Quick 6…and no one wants that…

by Rodney Sacramento on Sep 14, 2011 8:01 AM PDT up reply actions  

By the way, Terps12, though not looking at the QB you can defend anyway...

you will see the WR when he moves to make a play on the ball, you are right with him most of the time and at that point you can put your hands between his and the ball to break up the play with your back too the QB. Watch the guys considered the best and you will see just that. That’s why I hated giving up Charles Woodson, he is a true pure man corner. Nnamdi isn’t but he is still a great player. That’s why C.Woodson is still playing at a high level as well… I like the Raiders DB’s right now, so don’t be too hard on them yet, Rod Woodson is going to get them mentally in shape and with their speed, I am confident we’ll be fine. And fellas, DB’s do get beat for touchdowns, so we had better score…lol

by Rodney Sacramento on Sep 14, 2011 8:10 AM PDT up reply actions  

Unnecessary roughness/roughing the passer,

are at times great penalties to take – 1st and 10 at their 20, ealry in the game, damage their QB both physically and psychologically (you know hearing phantom footsteps, quitting on his progressions and running for his life) for the rest of the game. On the flip side, they can also be soul killers – we just stopped them on 3rd and long, their QB missed the target and someone takes a late hit; thus, extending their drive and potentially scoring. Offsides and illegal motions are brain cramps – unacceptable. I don’t mind seeing an OL protecting his QB when beaten and tackling the DL in desperation, with our kicking game, we can live another day. Pass interference, etc are ok if your getting beaten but unacceptable if done away from the ball. Our CB played well enough but we’re not rock solid yet.

by raiders4liffe on Sep 14, 2011 5:32 AM PDT reply actions  

wow!

Orton couldn’t make a pass to save his life, he let the game just “slip” out of his hands.

If Denver would had played mistake free football, it would have been a different game (as they gave up the ball several times in their own territory).

It didn’t help that 4 big names in Denver got hurt in the 1st quarter (Dumerville, Lloyd, Knowshon, Bailey). I was shocked Denver didn’t stack the box as often as they did preseason – it left them open for the run up the middle, which obviously worked really well for you guys.

Hats off to the Raiders for capitalizing on Denver’s mistakes, and doing what you do best, running the ball.

who wears short shorts?

by Broncs55 on Sep 14, 2011 5:42 AM PDT reply actions  

easy to blame Orton,

however, he faced a ton of pressure and the Broncs couldn’t run the ball. Hence, if, if, if the queen had balls…Attempting not to be overly bias, but the Raiders outcoached the Broncs on this one. Anticipating the play, right position at right time; I would add that we had 15 penalties, 15!! This game shouldn’t have been that close. J Campbell played not to lose – no interceptions and one sack. Why force a throw when you have the best kicking tandem in the history of football with one of the best backfield and we have’nt seen T Jones yet? I’ll take winning ugly instead of losing with style all day.

by raiders4liffe on Sep 14, 2011 6:14 AM PDT up reply actions  

oh no

I’m not saying our offense wasn’t dominated, they were. But Orton was a big part of it. He got sacked 5 times. That’s on the line.

Our running game sucked, thats on the line. But Orton had how many incompletions which should have been easily completed?

Orton threw an INT and fumbled it by just letting it slip out of his hands. Granted, the ball was wet, I get that, but tighten your grip for heaven’s sake!

Like I said, the Raiders capitalized on the Broncos mistakes, IMO, Orton was the biggest setback of Monday’s game.

who wears short shorts?

by Broncs55 on Sep 14, 2011 6:28 AM PDT up reply actions  

Rivalry continues,

Raiders got the first round, we’ll see how we progress during the year and play the return leg. The Brons QB scenario will be facinating to watch – give up on Orton, play Quinn who outplayed Tebow during the exhibition, or go with the people’s champ, Tebow. The “word” was that without OTAs, Tebow failed to improve his reads and progressions while keeping his slow mo throwing action.

by raiders4liffe on Sep 14, 2011 6:51 AM PDT up reply actions  

lmao!

"We want to win. The Raider fans deserve it. The Raider players deserve it, even my organization deserves it. You have to win and you have to win with a vision for the Super Bowl. That's our passion here."--Al Davis

"Winning isn't everything, but wanting to win is."--Vince Lombardi

by Marcus Allen Krause on Sep 14, 2011 10:05 AM PDT up reply actions  

It's Obvious That They Have NO Intent To Honor What They Bet!!!

I will NOT let this go….I will make sure it follows them throughout this season!!!…

We would have stepped up as men right right at the conclusion of the game….NOT 2 days later and still not owning it!!!

by PantyRaider on Sep 14, 2011 10:13 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yep I fully agree that the picture changes should have been completed already and I know for a fact you and i would have changed them already had we lost.

Did Rodney put the post up that he bet Raider Damus about yet? Im sure not. Dont make bets your not willing to honor, that is even more cowardly than already had been shown.

"We want to win. The Raider fans deserve it. The Raider players deserve it, even my organization deserves it. You have to win and you have to win with a vision for the Super Bowl. That's our passion here."--Al Davis

"Winning isn't everything, but wanting to win is."--Vince Lombardi

by Marcus Allen Krause on Sep 14, 2011 10:18 AM PDT up reply actions  

Orton is the best QB on your roster right now...point blank. And by the way had the Raiders..

played mistake free you would have gotten blown out. Why, because the Raiders are far more physical at the line of scrimmage than the Broncos are. You will see when you come to Oakland and face us again. The Raiders have a stronger team right now, and I will admit there have been times the Broncos just flat out had a better team than the Raiders. However, that is not the case now. Don’t expect to beat us this year, really as the season progresses I am sure you will realize how soft your line is and how much work you have to do. New coach, new scheme, be happy to go 500 really. The Raiders and Broncos have a bitter rivalry, however, I do respect it because both teams come to fight everytime we meet, and we are ahead in that fight overall by 11 games. I know you lost Von to injury, however, that doesn’t matter, he’s not playing and with the injuries from us beating you up Monday night its even a further setback. Go Raiders!!!

by Rodney Sacramento on Sep 14, 2011 7:50 AM PDT up reply actions  

exactly

we fumbled on the first play of the game on our own 10 and gave them a gift td on terrible punt coverage. both teams made mistakes, yet they play the “ortons mistake cost us the game” card. lol as the kids say.

take out the mistakes and stupid penalties, it is obvious who dominated that game. nonsense aside, the raiders are the more talented team. easily.

by lchristmas on Sep 14, 2011 10:52 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

your offensive line was the #1 reason you lost

could not run or pass block. orton is who he is, who you knew him to be. hes immobile and a pocket passer of decent accuracy. he did ok under the circumstances, laughable fluke drop aside. you put a qb like that behind a line that can’t block and with no running game, well, you saw it…

by lchristmas on Sep 14, 2011 10:58 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

What Was Ugly??...We Took The Lead In The 2nd And Never Gave It Up...

I saw other posts that claim this was winning ugly but I’m not accepting that…

Winning ugly id getting help from the "Zebra"s….We got none of that!!!….

Making some big play to win the game as a fluke…We didn’t do that….

If the “Donkey” had won it would have been ugly on all accounts though….They got that help and still couldn’t pull it out for the “ASS”…

by PantyRaider on Sep 14, 2011 7:35 AM PDT up reply actions  

Dude we won ugly

15 penalties, 100 passing yards. Winning ugly implies it wasn’t a game in which we played our best. It was a sloppy game. JC fumbled, Ford fumbled, a ton of penalties on both sides, low passer efficiency.

Whether you want to call it gritty, blue collar, hard nosed, smash mouth, or plain ugly, its all the same.

by Terps12 on Sep 14, 2011 8:20 AM PDT up reply actions  

We Won Dispite Those Things....Not What I Would Call Ugly!!!

This I disagree:

“Whether you want to call it gritty, blue collar, hard nosed, smash mouth, or plain ugly, its all the same.”

Not all the same….Our Rush Attack was “Hard Nosed”….“Smash Mouth”….“Blue Collar” may also apply….That’s NOT “Ugly”!!!

Passer rating was reported to be “86”….That’s consistent with "JC"s past…How is that “Ugly”???

by PantyRaider on Sep 14, 2011 8:49 AM PDT up reply actions  

C'mon, we have ways to go before competing

with the elite. in addition to the penalties, the fumbles, the rain, the 15 penalties, we allowed a punt return and a change of momentum. It shouldn’t have been that close. An elite team would have run them over. We have work to do. However, please accept that I’m very happy to go to Denver a get a win, any win is fine with me. Again, I’d rather discuss winning ugly, than losing cute.

by raiders4liffe on Sep 14, 2011 9:34 AM PDT up reply actions  

I Don't Argue With Any Of What You Posted...Yes We Made Our Mistakes...

But I believe we dominated where we intended to dominate…The Rush on both sides of the ball and the Pass Rush on both sides as well…We carried that out…

“OL”/“DL” did there jobs here….We took the lead and never gave it up…We got no help from anyone in this but took what we wanted….And we did it despite our mistakes so the “Ugly” never contributed to the “V”…Just my perception…

If the “Donkey” had won there was the “Ugly” to help them…The "Zebra"s as well as that Fluke Return….

by PantyRaider on Sep 14, 2011 9:49 AM PDT up reply actions  

I disagree, to an extent

There’s no such thing as an ugly win. We essentially became one dimensional in the 2nd half. We took some shots, but seemed content to run the ball and make them go the distance of the field against our defense, which they couldn’t really do. If you look at the stats, we ran the ball 39 times, and threw it 22. While that’s not the ideal balance to beat the better teams we’ll be facing in the next three weeks, it was enough to beat Denver.

We all know how thick Saunders’ playbook is, and we kept it pretty vanilla once we went up 13 points because we hadn’t seen any reason to fully open up the offense.

This was much the same shit Shanny did to us when our defense was terrible. He built a 10 pt lead and just ran it down our throats.

That said, I’m worried about Buffalo

we never retreat we always ATTACK!!!

by transparent58 on Sep 14, 2011 11:31 AM PDT up reply actions  

Blood sports are not pretty, they are definitively ugly at the base level and only beautiful at the detached abstract level

Is it not ugly when the gashing blade releases the gladiator’s guts from his open wound? But, isn’t there also something beautiful in the cutting stroke and even in the way the falling warrior pitches and falls? Winning is beautiful and the ugliness is in the unimportant details.

S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
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"I love to win, even against my daughters, I want to win" Hue "Action" Jackson 8/19/11

by Sons-of-Blanda on Sep 14, 2011 11:45 AM PDT up reply actions  

Thank you, Bard.

I’m getting so sick of the belly aching. We “only” threw fro 105 yds, and we “only” beat them by 3 points. I’ll bet you a shiny new Mercedes that when those Donkey Lineman walked off the field Monday night they felt like they had just gotten their ass whipped. That’s what building a bully is about. You dominate the LoS. Yes, the penalties allowed them keep the game closer, but some people are actually acting like we didn’t win or should have lost, when neither is the case.

Bottom line, we did what Hue said we were going to do. We stopped the run (38 yards! Good for number one Rush D in the whole NFL) and we ran the ball down their throats (190 yards! Good for #2 in the league.) We also WON THE DAMN GAME. NO)TE: It’s being reported that Denver has 7 starters watching practice today. SEVEN!

Maybe I’m the only one that was reminded over and over this weekend that we’re seeing the NFL return to the mid 80’s where you had guys putting up crazy passing numbers like Marino, Ken O’Brien, and the Run and Shoot was going to change football forever. Then you had teams like the Bears and Giants that just beat you down enjoy success. Everyone forgets that in 2001 NE was a run first team with an amazing defense. It’s easy when you get caught up in ESPNs man crush on Brady…

We’re on our way to becoming that type of team. Sunday will show us whether we can consistently dish out that sort of punishment to the opponents.

we never retreat we always ATTACK!!!

by transparent58 on Sep 14, 2011 12:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

Diferance Between Playing Ugly -n- Winning Ugly!!!

Yes…We made our mistakes…But we do so taking what we wanted…Dominance in the Run game and dominance in the Pass Rush…

by PantyRaider on Sep 14, 2011 12:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

He passed for 300 yards what you really mean was you couldn't run and your O-Line held on every play....

Orton is someone that people are too quick to blame. The Donkos played as dirty as I’ve ever seen them period. Your offensive line was that offensive! Our D-line handed them their collective asses! The only reason the Donks stayed in this game was a missed holding call on the PR and a Ford Miscue. We should have also had another pick on a tip and a fumble recovery. If we have Orton you loose by 40+. Don’t blame Orton he kept you in the game most QB’s would have curled up in a ball and cried!. I wish they would have Tebow’d it he was not ready for that type of pressure.

by samiam2112 on Sep 14, 2011 9:27 AM PDT up reply actions  

gimme a break with the injury excuse

did not ALL those guys keep playing? you act like this was a close game we won because of mistakes. it was a game that was only close in the first place because of raider mistakes.

by lchristmas on Sep 14, 2011 11:01 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

Raiders are going to appeal

Jano’s kick. they are saying it was a 64 YDer!!

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by Roney408 on Sep 14, 2011 5:58 AM PDT reply actions  

He wont play anyway

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"Just win baby. That’s what Al Davis says and that’s all I want to do. . . . I just want to be the best, and I just want to win." - Terrelle Pryor

by Ozraider on Sep 14, 2011 2:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yes, but he needs to get his learn on. He is basically exiled from contact with the coaches which is BS.

The Raiders, not the NFL, should just “suspend” him for the 5 games that he can’t participate and that’s it, but he can still train with us. (He would’nt have played anyways as you said)

The RaiderLaker

by JaggerJaw on Sep 14, 2011 3:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

thats true

the training time in invaluable

"We’re going to be a tough, rugged football team that walks with a swagger and plays the way the Raiders used to play." Hue Jackson

"Just win baby. That’s what Al Davis says and that’s all I want to do. . . . I just want to be the best, and I just want to win." - Terrelle Pryor

by Ozraider on Sep 14, 2011 5:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

There are only...

2 times when penalties are good. 1. When the other team commits them. 2. On a punt from like the 50 yard line. The reason for the second is that if the punt is from our 45 or 40, i hope i have the dang sides right, then there is a better chance of us putting the opponents inside the 5.

by bslack32 on Sep 14, 2011 6:03 AM PDT reply actions  

Commitment to Excellence is not built on penalties....

…and there are very rarely any exceptions to that. The current level of penalities undermines our ability to win games, simple as.

The only exceptions to that were, the aforementioned RoMac splat attack on Sproles which announced his arrival in the NFL and the second was Big Richs bitch slap on Big Ben (Oh the irony!).

by animal_mutha on Sep 14, 2011 6:58 AM PDT reply actions  

lol yeah but being as there are exceptions every so often the answer has to be A, which is what is so entertaining about the poll

"We want to win. The Raider fans deserve it. The Raider players deserve it, even my organization deserves it. You have to win and you have to win with a vision for the Super Bowl. That's our passion here."--Al Davis

"Winning isn't everything, but wanting to win is."--Vince Lombardi

by Marcus Allen Krause on Sep 14, 2011 10:09 AM PDT up reply actions  

Context is important

I don’t mind roughing the passer penalties, or unnecessary roughness penalities………………………..if they are on 1st down or still in the opponnents territory. However, committing those penalities in situations that affect the game I will never condone. It’s just stupid, it nearly cost the Raiders the game against the Donks. It extended their drives which allowed them to hang in the game. Some situations will call for it, but this is the kind of discipline issues the Raiders have gone through for years. The league is different then it was back in the old days. Saftey is a larger priority and thus more flags are being called. It isn’t a rugged league back when concussions were just “bell ringers.” Be a smart bully, don’t commit that stuff in the 4th, close games, or in Raider territory.

by lakers007raiders on Sep 14, 2011 8:48 AM PDT reply actions  

Looks Like We Did More Than Just Beat That "Donky" ASS On The Score Board....Devastated!!!!!

Broncos | Players irritated with QB debate
Wed, 14 Sep 2011 06:07:36 -0700

Denver Broncos players are becoming frustrated with the debate as to whether QB Tim Tebow should start over QB Kyle Orton. “I think it’s all B.S.,” WR Brandon Lloyd said. “I think everybody is just waiting for an opportunity to move (Orton) out and play anybody other than him.” LB Jason Hunter added, “It’s just the beginning of the season. Kyle is our starter. He’s a human being just like we all are. Sometimes things don’t go the way that you want them to go, but you can’t just be so quick to jump ship.”

by PantyRaider on Sep 14, 2011 9:19 AM PDT reply actions  

Other Raider News:

Raiders | Darrius Heyward-Bey just scratching surface
Tue, 13 Sep 2011 21:46:43 -0700

Oakland Raiders head coach Hue Jackson said Tuesday, Sept. 13, that WR Darrius Heyward-Bey is just scratching the surface of what he can do as a receiver. Several times in the Week 1 game against the Denver Broncos, he turned third-down plays into first downs. “I expect more from him. There’s a lot more in there,” Jackson said. “He’s truly coming on.”

Raiders | Matt Giordano might start in Week 2
Tue, 13 Sep 2011 21:45:51 -0700

Oakland Raiders FS Matt Giordano might start in Week 2 against the Buffalo Bills if FS Michael Huff (groin) is unable to play.

Raiders | Darren McFadden might see more time in Wildcat
Tue, 13 Sep 2011 21:45:25 -0700

Oakland Raiders RB Darren McFadden was used in the Wildcat formation on the first play from scrimmage in the Week 1 game Monday, Sept. 12, against the Denver Broncos. Head coach Hue Jackson said McFadden might be used in that role again some time this season.

by PantyRaider on Sep 14, 2011 9:22 AM PDT reply actions  

Watching the game (love DVR's) last night

I thought Giordano had an epic game with the brilliant interception on coverage 2, the fumble recovery, and what appears to be an intelligent veteran approach to free safety—among other things. He appears to be a great pick-up—particularly with any injuries occuring.

by Raaddad on Sep 14, 2011 11:31 AM PDT up reply actions  

Hahahaha....thanks PantyRaider..I laugh because DHB as always wanted to fight for yardage...

Did I say, when he catches the ball…lol I hope this kid can get his stuff together, he still has much work on his route running, maybe he should get with the DB’s on how to be more elusive. He runs square routes meaning, he doesn’t fool anyone. He has all the physical attributes, and he should be running down the field wide open….I really want him to be successful and if anyone can get him there Hue can. He is very fortunate to have Al Davis, because that kid would be buried on the bench some where else..

by Rodney Sacramento on Sep 14, 2011 12:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

I thought his routes were crisp

and he caught the ball well in traffic. He made some clutch catches to extend drives and would have walked in for a TD had Fox not gotten a TO when he was uncovered in the Red Zone.

Also, the long throw he caught out of bounds was on Campbell, but that was a TD if thrown three yards closer to the center of the field. He torched his man on that play. If there’s one thing I hate about Campbell, it’s that he’s not accurate on his deep throws, not at all. He either under throws it, or puts it too far outside. This can be fixed to an extent, and needs to be if we’re going to have the passing game we need to keep 8 and 9 players out of the box.

we never retreat we always ATTACK!!!

by transparent58 on Sep 14, 2011 12:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

He has stiff hips, he can't. I saw him break one tackle after the catch only to be tackled by the next guy because his hips suck.

You would think he is as athletic as Dmac but DHB is not. He can fight but he can’t juke anyone. Just my honest take based on my observations. He is fast, but his hips are stiff. Which will mean his non-go-deep routes will always suck, especially the complicated ones, the slants and sharp cuts or hard stops.

The RaiderLaker

by JaggerJaw on Sep 14, 2011 3:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

Well, he is very big and strong and can break tackles that way, especially considering that most cbs are small compared to him

I’ve seen what happens when DBs have tried to tackle him. He’s hard to bring down. Though your point is well taken, I hardly think it is as serious as you make it seem.

by RaiderPsycho on Sep 14, 2011 5:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

and that comeback route with him that was successful in the final drive was nice

he’s tough on that route because of his size and use of the body.
I noticed Moore was also in perfect position to make the same play, but JC went to DHB.

by Raaddad on Sep 14, 2011 6:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

look at the raiders did in the last 4+- minutes, no penalities, getting 1st downs .

if the raiders played like that the whole game,well i say another repeat score of last years game. also the one penalty on chris johnson for holding/pass interference, well all he did was bump the wr and run with him. that was a bad call and even those poor annoucers said that was a gimme penalty to the broncos. the refs grade – c.

by sports with steve on Sep 14, 2011 9:50 AM PDT reply actions  

I was infuriated with the PI call on Routt, too.

He was following his man in close coverage and his hand barely touched the wr, which commonly happens on most plays. That was hardly interference!

by RaiderPsycho on Sep 14, 2011 5:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

these bad ass penalties

Are the reasons my parents, family and myself fell in love with this team back in the early days! This type of play defines Oakland and all east bay residents and some just don’t under stand what was happening back in those days and the surrounding communities could damn sure relate to the actions that these players took to the field. We have won the big show with the same attitude and style of play that we showed Monday and for the way this team is meant to be built, then this is the way we get back to greatness. Stay thirsty my raiders and draw first blood.

by rodeosnake12 on Sep 14, 2011 9:59 AM PDT via mobile reply actions  

SoB I love this poll, I voted yes just for the entertainment of Rules should NEVER be broken

LOL of course you have to look at the situation on penalties, this was the most biased poll i have seen from you yet and they are always entertainingly sloped.

"We want to win. The Raider fans deserve it. The Raider players deserve it, even my organization deserves it. You have to win and you have to win with a vision for the Super Bowl. That's our passion here."--Al Davis

"Winning isn't everything, but wanting to win is."--Vince Lombardi

by Marcus Allen Krause on Sep 14, 2011 10:08 AM PDT reply actions  

Is it so obvious?

S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
"I made a trade for Seymour. ..I thought it was a great trade. Still do. [Al Davis 1/2011]
"I love to win, even against my daughters, I want to win" Hue "Action" Jackson 8/19/11

by Sons-of-Blanda on Sep 14, 2011 10:20 AM PDT up reply actions  

lol hmmm.....It helps knowing your polls almost always have an agenda!

"We want to win. The Raider fans deserve it. The Raider players deserve it, even my organization deserves it. You have to win and you have to win with a vision for the Super Bowl. That's our passion here."--Al Davis

"Winning isn't everything, but wanting to win is."--Vince Lombardi

by Marcus Allen Krause on Sep 14, 2011 10:29 AM PDT up reply actions  

I don't get out of bed with out an agenda. A man's goal is his first thought and his last act.

S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
"I made a trade for Seymour. ..I thought it was a great trade. Still do. [Al Davis 1/2011]
"I love to win, even against my daughters, I want to win" Hue "Action" Jackson 8/19/11

by Sons-of-Blanda on Sep 14, 2011 11:15 AM PDT up reply actions  

I like that motto

"We want to win. The Raider fans deserve it. The Raider players deserve it, even my organization deserves it. You have to win and you have to win with a vision for the Super Bowl. That's our passion here."--Al Davis

"Winning isn't everything, but wanting to win is."--Vince Lombardi

by Marcus Allen Krause on Sep 14, 2011 12:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

After week 1 DMc has more rushing yds than AP, cj, and Arian foster combined(although he didn’t play) I know there’s still 15 games to go but DMc has a chance tonlead the NFL in the end

by RaiderKilluminati on Sep 14, 2011 10:53 AM PDT via mobile reply actions  

I think he has a really good chance as long as he stays healthy.

I was worried there for a moment when he got hit in the back and he came off the field with the “WTf” look on his face.

by pbwulf on Sep 14, 2011 11:07 AM PDT up reply actions  

Routt gave up only one catch for 15 yds CJ gave up 6 out of 7 for 88 yds. Rust?? Or sign of things to cone for cj after a solid year in terms of burn %?

by RaiderKilluminati on Sep 14, 2011 11:46 AM PDT via mobile reply actions  

Also Seymour , huff, ford, murph, and mm34 not practicing today. Boss is.

by RaiderKilluminati on Sep 14, 2011 11:47 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

Seymour won't practice very much this season

and does he really need to? The guy owns faces, and he’ll need the extra juice to dominate on Sunday.

we never retreat we always ATTACK!!!

by transparent58 on Sep 14, 2011 12:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

Just like John Henderson

If they play like that it keeps miles off of them!

by samiam2112 on Sep 14, 2011 1:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

Need Ford...

WR is thin and he is a baller. MM and Huff down limits the safety position too. Although Geradonno (sp?) was a stud on Monday night! Murph is a welcome addition when he is healthy too.

by TD Rader on Sep 14, 2011 4:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'll say it's rust

but add that he was targeted more, and they tried to isolated Lloyd on CJ all night.

One thing I liked was the limited play of DVD.

we never retreat we always ATTACK!!!

by transparent58 on Sep 14, 2011 12:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

Agree on the rust. With Nam gone, CJ is now doing Routt's stuff from last year.

DVD should be played whenever possible. I broke a little sweat when CJ was hurt and felt relieved when he returned.

by RaiderPsycho on Sep 14, 2011 5:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

I did see the missed leg tackle

and the accompanying smack on the side of the helmet from Branch I believe.
Maybe he got sent to the sideline after that. It’s probably just as well.

by Raaddad on Sep 15, 2011 12:06 AM PDT up reply actions  

PENALTIES!!!

You cant have them, plain and simple… The RAIDERS had 15, unexceptable!!! Against a decent team you will get killed.. If they want success have to clean it up!!!

by tsal44 on Sep 14, 2011 11:52 AM PDT reply actions  

and it will be cleaned up, i have no doubt Hue is addressing that as we speak...

Unfortunately, he wants a bully, may not be a smart bully, but a bully nonetheless.

I want to be the modern day version of Super Mario Brothers!!! Dont care for *shrooms*, but would love to *get large* and *spit fire*...unless im constantly told "thanks, but your girl is in another castle". That would rate a 8.9 on the ole *Suck-ometer*!!!

by Kobe Won Kenobi on Sep 14, 2011 11:55 AM PDT up reply actions  

This is a waste of time.

Those penalties particularly the two that could have meant the team was coming off the field as opposed to staying on and getting 15 more yards were as stupid as any I’ve seen in any NFL game in years. There is a point when the officials are calling it close like the McClain head butt was weak especially after the Broncs lineman was yanking on his face mask prior but the late hit and some of the other penalties that led to Broncos points when the game was well in hand were unacceptable. At the time the score was 16-13 we may have been up 24-3 possibly or 24-10 if not for about 5 or 6 of those costly penalties.

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by TAW on Sep 14, 2011 3:30 PM PDT reply actions  

Hue to the Buffalo media (per Cork)
I want us to become like the old Raiders from back in the day. We’re not close to that

.

Love the guy and the way he channels Madden.

by Spirals galore on Sep 14, 2011 3:39 PM PDT reply actions  

I have to say this about the penalties

I hate to sound like the conspiracy theorists, but some were absolute BS. That Routt PI call was a joke, and even the announcers were baffled at the utter ridiculousness of that call. The one on McClain for UR after the play was also BS. I was sitting at a bar with a Donkey fan next to me, and when I pointed out that the denver players had been doing that same thing all night without a flag, before he could respond, the announcers showed a replay of the night’s extracurricular activities, and nearly EVERY one was a donkey hitting after the whistle, without a penalty. The guy next me looked at me, and agreed that they refs were not calling that evenly.

The Raiders need to play tighter within the rules than the others, because the refs (and in Denver has ALWAYS been the worst place for home town refs) will always be gunning for the Raiders.

As for the poll, I will say some penalties are good, but most are bad, or just flat out inexcusable. Offsides and false starts are inexcusable. Illegal formation, and post play stupidness are bad, and need to be stopped. Good penalties are ones that help the team, such as a PI or holding on a corner when you know you are beat. Stop the TD and just sacrifice the yards. Holding on the line is OK when you are saving the life of your QB. Holding on the line for no real good reason is bad.

by TD Rader on Sep 14, 2011 4:00 PM PDT reply actions  

It's all about down

Unnecessary roughness on first down? No problem. But if it’s third down, we’ve stopped them, and then give them the 1st through a penalty, that’s never okay.

by rightnasty on Sep 14, 2011 6:41 PM PDT reply actions  

Why let the offense back on the field?

Maybe they were thinking McFadden could catch a little more breath. And maybe they weren’t done with their whooping. Sorry, but with a 2 score lead, it looked like they were having way to much fun to go back to the sideline.

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by Porcupine on Sep 17, 2011 9:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

Three days later...

Sorry it took so long to answer your cry

AFC West Assassins... Finally, no more Chargers

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