Oakland Raiders Roster Cuts: Tough Decisions on DBs
by Rich Langford on Sep 2, 2011 4:14 PM PDT
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PrintThe roster cuts for the defensive backs are going to be the hardest of any position. Unfortunately it is not because all of these guys are great. These cuts will be more about measuring potential than anything. The Raiders will likely keep 10 DBs. That number may fluctuate, but I'll use that for a base.
Stanford Routt, Chris Johnson, Demarcus Van Dyke, Michael Huff and Tyvon Branch are locks. That's five spots. Mike Mitchell is probably as good as in too, unless his injury is so severe he winds up on IR. We'll just say he's in though. That's six spots with a lot battling for four.
Lito Sheppard, Walter McFadden, Jeremy Ware and Sterling More are likely battling for two spots.
I have no idea about Lito Sheppard. We haven't seen him play yet. I gotta believe he still has enough left in the tank to make this roster, and they need the experience. I think More has shown enough to beat Ware and McFadden, but my gut tells me he is headed to the practice squad and Jeremy Ware makes this team while Walter McFadden hits the unemployed line.
Stevie Brown, Jerome Boyd and Chimdi Chekwa are likely battling for two spots.
My initial reaction is cut Boyd, but the Raiders seem higher on him than I am. My prediction is Chekwa heads to the practice squad to learn the safety position and get reps while Brown and Boyd make it.
What do you guys think?
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I hope we keep S'Moore
He’s look solid, and until we put him up against 1st team offenses we shouldn’t put the ax on him already.. He could be good, but we don’t know yet.
I hope we don’t just let go of potential.
But I agree with Walt. You had your chance.
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By what time tomorrow will all cuts be made?
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Sub 4.4
As you all know it depends on who runs faster. A schoolyard foot race should settle the matters at hand. And Sterling Moore, Lito, Chimdi, are locks, pulling for Lito the Leader.
Really tough
Routt,Johnson, DVD, Ware, and depending who plays best tonight Smoores/Sheppard.
Huff,Branch,Mitchell,Brown, and Chekwa.
Thats what i would do
Some will make it...
Some of these guys are going to make the team tonight, depending on their good play or lack of it, but I seriously don’t know about this kid Van Dyke, I know it’s easy to critic someone from afar but, hey that’s what we do, if he does make it , what would his contributions be and when?? that’s my concern with the guy, please keep in mind that we still need LB help, that may also determine how many DBs we’ll keep..
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if walter mcfadden
goes 1v1 with mike williams, he will be cut lol, remember guys dvd can be cut yo you know, u never know.
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too many reps he make the grade
by samiam2112 on Sep 2, 2011 6:50 PM PDT via iPhone app up reply actions
I remember when former 3rd round pick Quentin Moses got cut:
I don’t think that this will be the case with DVD though He has shown the ability to cover his man, now if he can turn his head, he will be fine. I am hoping that DVD and Moore start.
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by Raymond St. Martin (Saint) on Sep 2, 2011 5:18 PM PDT reply actions
Turn his head...
That is his biggest problem and unless he can fix it “ASAP” he should be good as gone!!!! To mention Quentin Moses it’s kind of different to me though, Moses was extremely productive during the pre season, in my opinion!!!! GO RAIDERS!!!!
he was beat out by Jay Richardon
If I remember correctly
by samiam2112 on Sep 2, 2011 6:53 PM PDT via iPhone app up reply actions
that is correct....
It took me by surprise that Moses was cut back then. that was my whole point I thought he performed well enough to make the team, so let’s see what happens tonight.
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whatever happened with Jay? was a solid back-up
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"I made a trade for Seymour. ..I thought it was a great trade. Still do. [Al Davis 1/2011]
"I love to win, even against my daughters, I want to win" Hue "Action" Jackson 8/19/11
by Sons-of-Blanda on Sep 2, 2011 7:16 PM PDT up reply actions
I say...
Keep the players that are the most versatile so that we can make extra room for possibly another LB. Unfortunately, MM is injured so we won’t have him for a while but I say keep 8 to 9 players in our secondary who can play multiple positions.
by blacksamurai33 on Sep 2, 2011 5:20 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
Heard Denver is doing just that - cutting more than 53 in order to definitly move on cuts
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"I made a trade for Seymour. ..I thought it was a great trade. Still do. [Al Davis 1/2011]
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by Sons-of-Blanda on Sep 2, 2011 5:24 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, they really suck!
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by Raymond St. Martin (Saint) on Sep 2, 2011 5:27 PM PDT up reply actions
Like a shitty hand in 5-card draw - just discarding the maximum
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"I made a trade for Seymour. ..I thought it was a great trade. Still do. [Al Davis 1/2011]
"I love to win, even against my daughters, I want to win" Hue "Action" Jackson 8/19/11
by Sons-of-Blanda on Sep 2, 2011 5:29 PM PDT up reply actions
Great take
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by Raymond St. Martin (Saint) on Sep 2, 2011 5:34 PM PDT up reply actions
Yep. Looks like Quinn is the backup and Tebow 3rd string.
If its any different I would be surprised. Tebow looked like he played college-level ball all through the preseason.
MM should be placed on the PUP and activated in week 9
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by Raymond St. Martin (Saint) on Sep 2, 2011 5:26 PM PDT reply actions
Man, Olympia Beer and Anywhich Way But Loose:
I miss being free like we were before 1980
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by Raymond St. Martin (Saint) on Sep 2, 2011 5:35 PM PDT reply actions
I don't think they could sneak Chekwa through waivers to stick him on the practice squad
It took the entire coaching staff going to bat to save Mitchell last year. Will they have to do that again this year? Will they be WILLING to do that again this year? Sooner or later Mitch is going to have to show something. Hurt or not, his clock is ticking. I like Ware, but S’Moore has earned a roster spot imo, and Lil’ Walty should have his bags already packed. I can’t stand Boyd, but he’s seemingly on scholarship.
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S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
"I made a trade for Seymour. ..I thought it was a great trade. Still do. [Al Davis 1/2011]
"I love to win, even against my daughters, I want to win" Hue "Action" Jackson 8/19/11
by Sons-of-Blanda on Sep 2, 2011 6:41 PM PDT up reply actions
This is the greatest compliment I have ever received.
Granted, my life is horrible, but it is true nonetheless.
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Mitchell’s health determines Boyd’s fate. May McFadden find work elsewhere. Pulling for Moore to make the cut. Brown has not looked very good.
by samiam2112 on Sep 2, 2011 5:50 PM PDT via iPhone app up reply actions
My guess is that Walt, S'moores and Chimdi all get cut,
Then S’Moores and Chimdi get signed to the practice squad if they clear waivers.
by Oceanside Raider on Sep 2, 2011 5:45 PM PDT reply actions
then we'll have only S'Mo
S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
"I made a trade for Seymour. ..I thought it was a great trade. Still do. [Al Davis 1/2011]
"I love to win, even against my daughters, I want to win" Hue "Action" Jackson 8/19/11
by Sons-of-Blanda on Sep 2, 2011 6:42 PM PDT up reply actions
Chekwa and DVD make the team.
I don’t think that Ware or McFadden will make the team. They have had their opportunity to show what they can do, and they didn’t impress. From what I have seen, DVD is definitely better than both of them. He has been beat only because the player has made and amazing catch. He was stride for stride with both Fitzgerald and Edwards. You can’t say that about either of them practically all of their games.
Moore has done exceptionally well and will show why he should make the team tonight.
The toughest decision will be made when deciding what to do with Mitchell, Boyd and Brown. I’m hoping Brown makes the team. He has a nose for the ball. Boyd has been really impressive. With Mitchell hurt, I’m think he may be on IR. That will pretty much take care of everyone.
How has Boyd been "really impressive"?
Unless you consider getting burned or being out position as impressive feats, I’m not seeing it.
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he has gotten good reviews from camp struggled in the first two preseason games but played well last week
"We’re going to be a tough, rugged football team that walks with a swagger and plays the way the Raiders used to play." Hue Jackson
"Just win baby. That’s what Al Davis says and that’s all I want to do. . . . I just want to be the best, and I just want to win." - Terrelle Pryor
Boyd picked up his game last week after reeking the previous two. He's probably the most "on the cusp" and could go either way
S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
"I made a trade for Seymour. ..I thought it was a great trade. Still do. [Al Davis 1/2011]
"I love to win, even against my daughters, I want to win" Hue "Action" Jackson 8/19/11
by Sons-of-Blanda on Sep 2, 2011 6:46 PM PDT up reply actions
I have been brutal on him
Last game he was very solid compared to the previous weeks
by samiam2112 on Sep 2, 2011 6:52 PM PDT via iPhone app up reply actions
Lock out
Because of the lockout I think the rookies are at a severe disadvantage over the guys who have played a bit. That said I hope S’moores make the team.
Most of us like SMo. But none of us have seen him play against starting calibre. Also, he was scorthed last week on the 2-pt conv.
S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
"I made a trade for Seymour. ..I thought it was a great trade. Still do. [Al Davis 1/2011]
"I love to win, even against my daughters, I want to win" Hue "Action" Jackson 8/19/11
by Sons-of-Blanda on Sep 2, 2011 6:48 PM PDT up reply actions
you are right but we have to have a balanced roster
not point carrying 10+ DB’s and being short in other areas
"We’re going to be a tough, rugged football team that walks with a swagger and plays the way the Raiders used to play." Hue Jackson
"Just win baby. That’s what Al Davis says and that’s all I want to do. . . . I just want to be the best, and I just want to win." - Terrelle Pryor
I'm still anti-Boyd, seems more a liability overall; so I'd prefer discarding him and taking our chances picking up a better S after tomorrow
S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
"I made a trade for Seymour. ..I thought it was a great trade. Still do. [Al Davis 1/2011]
"I love to win, even against my daughters, I want to win" Hue "Action" Jackson 8/19/11
by Sons-of-Blanda on Sep 2, 2011 7:18 PM PDT up reply actions
Im right there
They are trying to have Boyd fill Mitchells shoes, he just doesn’t posses the same skill sets.
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#Raiders waived/injured FB James McCluskey, re-signed DT Derrick Hill. Story coming soon csncalifornia.com
Never even heard of McCluskey ... sounds like a politician
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"I made a trade for Seymour. ..I thought it was a great trade. Still do. [Al Davis 1/2011]
"I love to win, even against my daughters, I want to win" Hue "Action" Jackson 8/19/11
by Sons-of-Blanda on Sep 2, 2011 7:20 PM PDT up reply actions
DVD absolutely makes the team
to think different is foolish. Chekwa should make the team not only as safety but special teams maybe in a gunner role. I like Stevie Brown he should be the back up to Huff. Lito is a good option right now just for experience and let moore learn on the practice squad.
that was from Gutierez
possible he just hadnt seen him
"We’re going to be a tough, rugged football team that walks with a swagger and plays the way the Raiders used to play." Hue Jackson
"Just win baby. That’s what Al Davis says and that’s all I want to do. . . . I just want to be the best, and I just want to win." - Terrelle Pryor
nope Jerry Mac confirmation hes not suited
"We’re going to be a tough, rugged football team that walks with a swagger and plays the way the Raiders used to play." Hue Jackson
"Just win baby. That’s what Al Davis says and that’s all I want to do. . . . I just want to be the best, and I just want to win." - Terrelle Pryor
That's good news b/c if he gets hurt again he's finished and if he excels, well, we go on like always with him
S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
"I made a trade for Seymour. ..I thought it was a great trade. Still do. [Al Davis 1/2011]
"I love to win, even against my daughters, I want to win" Hue "Action" Jackson 8/19/11
by Sons-of-Blanda on Sep 2, 2011 7:21 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm pretty sure TP is gonna play tonight
Do you guys know when and how long?
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Why the fuck is Shame a captain?
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"I made a trade for Seymour. ..I thought it was a great trade. Still do. [Al Davis 1/2011]
"I love to win, even against my daughters, I want to win" Hue "Action" Jackson 8/19/11
Practice squad depends on who will clear waivers...
Make 53: Lito Sheppard, Jeremy Ware, Jerome Boyd, Chimdi Chekwa (because Chekwa probably would not clear waivers).
Practice Squad: Sterling Moore (because he will clear waivers).
Cut: Walter McFadden, Stevie Brown (unless Brown can go back to the PS).
The coaches see something in Boyd (what we don’t know). Sheppard is taking Eugene’s spot, Boyd is taking Brown’s.
If Chekwa ends up on the practice squad....
we will not have got very good value for our round 2 pick in 2012. I like Barksdale but that trade is a bit mystifying.
Chekwa will not be cut
Chekwa is not an option, he would not make it through waivers. If he had been healthy in training camp his name wouldnt even had been brought up as a possible cut. Definately not for 7th round pick Brown or undrafted Boyd. Chekwa is a Raider.
All three will make the roster because Mitchell is hurt. When Mitchell comes back, Boyd will be cut. Brown wont be cut because Chekwa is just learning to play free safety.
Boyd isnt a real safety. He’s a converted linebacker. He cant play free safety and isnt a good option at strong safety. What he can do is keep Mitchell’s bench spot warm while also being a reserve linebacker. That means the team can more easily cut another Linebacker such as Davis. They could also cut an offensive player such as Hagan, Schilens, Ausberry, or Cartwright. They dont really need all three of those receivers and Cartwright is getting old. They could even cut 3 of those 4 corners you mentioned because Chekwa can play that position too. They can make room for Boyd without cutting Chekwa or Brown.
Cutting Hagan or Cartwright would be a monumental blunder. Unthinkable. Schilens, with all his potential is a sad tale but
he needs to go and make room for a reliable WR who can help on STs. Ausberry will probably survive because of his AZ game. I agree Chekwa is safe, mainly because we are stretched thin at Safety (perhaps now most will appreciate Eugene’s value). Now, as for Boyd, I’d rather cut his Groves-like ass, pairing the roster below the 53 mark and scan the wire and the practice squad rosters for a suitable upgrade … which shouldn’t be difficult.
S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
"I made a trade for Seymour. ..I thought it was a great trade. Still do. [Al Davis 1/2011]
"I love to win, even against my daughters, I want to win" Hue "Action" Jackson 8/19/11
by Sons-of-Blanda on Sep 3, 2011 12:46 PM PDT up reply actions
Boyd really depends on Mitchell
The team wont give us much details on Mitchell. If he’s only going to miss a few games, it would make sense to keep Boyd who knows the system. Also, Boyd is a good special teams player. If Mitchell is going to be out all year then yes, we should look at other options.
I was expecting Giordano to play better than he has and make the conversion to SS. But, both he (so far) and Boyd are not the answer
When we play decent teams, like NO for example, they smell weakness and exploit it ruthlessly. Guys like Groves, Boyd, and a raw DvD are such liabilities as to negate any valiant efforts by our DL, McClain, CJ, Routt, Branch and Huff. We cannot enter the regular season with even one Achilles heal … but that seems to be exactly what we are doing.
S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
"I made a trade for Seymour. ..I thought it was a great trade. Still do. [Al Davis 1/2011]
"I love to win, even against my daughters, I want to win" Hue "Action" Jackson 8/19/11
by Sons-of-Blanda on Sep 3, 2011 1:14 PM PDT up reply actions
Stephen Cooper may be available later today
ESPN is claiming he is on the bubble…. He is not great but would be an upgrade at OLB
Rolle and Ford released by titans
Interesting cuts, but no help for Raiders
Jacob Ford
from titans is a beast DE, something must be wrong with him fro titans to release him, either he is injured or something is wrong because this guys is amazing, i remember vs raiders ford basically whooped our ass, Rolle is good but i think he too old, almost like lito, so we don’t need another veteran CB.
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by AlwaysWinBaby on Sep 3, 2011 2:33 PM PDT up reply actions
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