Oakland Raiders Injury Updates: DHB on Track Play
by Rich Langford on Sep 23, 2011 5:01 AM PDT
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The Oakland Raiders receiver corp is limping back to full strength, but it may be getting weaker in the process. The hyphened one was full go at practice on Thursday, which would suggest he is a lock to play. His return to the field will likely take Chaz Schilens or Derek Hagan out of the game.
DHB showed promise in the Broncos game, but the Jets secondary is a different beast. DHB will likely be lined up against Darrelle Revis or Antonio Cromartie on all of his routes. He is going to have a hard time getting separation on either of these guys and that is going to put a premium on using his body to wall off the defender to make a catch. That is not his strong suit.
Hagan and Schilens are light years ahead of DHB in this regard. On the plus side, DHB's physicality will be a welcomed addition. The Raiders are going to need all the blocking they can get to help get the run game going, and if he does manage to haul in a catch those corners are going to have a hard time bringing him down.
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Should DHB start? No...but he will.
Hagan and Moore should start…I think they both deserve it after last week’s performance. Moore for obvious reasons and Hagan cause he was clutch on a number of drives.
It’s going to be hard to find time and catches for all the weapons we have on offense and that’s a problem that makes me drool. I hope this forces DHB to step up his game because if he doesn’t he’s going to be become obsolete. Being a good blocker as a WR is nice but your job is to catch passes and produce. I hope he rises to the challenge.
You know what would make a good story? Something about a clown who makes people happy, but inside he's real sad. Also, he has severe diarrhea.
What about DHBs performance in the Denver game?
Does that not count just because hes DHB? DHB was clutch in that game, he got us 1st downs when we needed them, and he caught every catchable ball thrown his way.
by RyanTheRaider on Sep 23, 2011 6:40 AM PDT up reply actions
He was, But not once do I doubt Hagan could not have done the same.
Like I’ve said, it’s about preformance. It’s also about who he’s been surpassed by. 3 yr’s compared to guys being here in their first years.
But we’ll see, DHB needs to be aggressive. DHB also needs to be consistent.
Are you really sure he will do the same if not better in the Jets game, Ryan?
The RaiderLaker
i dont think any of our receivers will do much vs the jets
i would be surprised if any of our receivers get more than 1-2 catches.With the CBs they have, i think we can agree we have to run the ball well.With that being the case, i think DHB should get alot of PT based on his blocking ability, with Hagan or Moore playing opposite of him depending on who they have on DHB, if its Cromartie on DHB, then Moore, if its Revis on DHB, then Hagan(who should be very physical with Cromartie, he hate contact.)
by RyanTheRaider on Sep 23, 2011 9:21 AM PDT up reply actions
I think Hue will watch the Dallas game
and see that he can get rubs and picks to get his guys open, like Dallas did with Bryant, early. They’re going to pick on Cromartie, and healthy Boss should open up the seams…
we never retreat we always ATTACK!!!
by transparent58 on Sep 23, 2011 9:46 AM PDT up reply actions
exactly trans
Romo kinda had his way with the jets secondary until his fuck up. Completed a good percentage and had a huge day with his t.e. like you said boss should be a big weapon here. Also when they finally pulled dusch mccown the rook gabby came in and ,although he only had 6the attempts, he completed five of them and mjd avg. Like 5 ypc against these dudes with no passing attack whatsoever. I think our O will be on track again, its gonna be on the D to keep green and lt in check and make that pretty boy beat us through the air, which is pretty scary in itself. Jano will be huge in this game so I hope he’s on!
by rodeosnake12 on Sep 23, 2011 10:09 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
We need mutiple recievers in this game
You have to occupy Cromartie and Revis with receivers and still have some options.
I voted no
Only because I think we should use him as a change of pace kinda guy. Or have him out there as a 4th WR and have him do a lot of short routes and start to do some no huddle stuff then have him use his speed to kill.
by pbwulf on Sep 23, 2011 5:32 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Can someone please provide me with the definition of start?
"We’re going to be a tough, rugged football team that walks with a swagger and plays the way the Raiders used to play." Hue Jackson
by Ozraider on Sep 23, 2011 5:36 AM PDT via mobile reply actions
Receivers
If we want to run the Football on the Jets we will need solid blocking. playing DHB , with
D M , and Boss would give us great speed to strech the field and also provide good Blocking to spring D Mac & Bush. All of our Recievers are capable of having big games if J C gets them the ball. My concern is this : Will we make the tackles and stop the Jets running game? And can we cut down on our Penalties and give a ways ? That is the
way to winning this Game as well as the rest of our games. Raiders must play Heads up FootBall …………………………. G o ……………… R a i d e r s ………………………….
DHB will start every game of his career as a Raider
as long as he is healthy.
You want to bet on that?
I just don’t see DHB as ready to really produce like Moore and Ford and Hagan. Hue will feel the pressure, Hue will eventually but the most productive players in. You seem to think he is a bad coach Terps12. haha.
The RaiderLaker
It has nothing to do with Hue
Until Al dies, DHB will play. Ford is injured this week and Hagan (despite being a great safety valve receiver) is never going to get his due on the Raiders. Just like we weren’t going to pay Russell $10mm a year to sit the bench, we aren’t going to pay DHB $8mm to have him not start.
For the record, I thought Cable was a quality head coach and Hue was a great offensive coordinator. Whether Hue is a great head coach remains to be seen.
It wont happen. He will stop starting. If Russell got cut, that means DHB can be a non-starter.
Not that I want DHB cut but he should not start. And he will not later this year. It’s all Al and Hue now, how do I know this? Because shit is really different and Hue learned from last year that it is best to work and communicate with Al not distance himself like Cable did.And Al knows that he will retire/or not have much more time to be screwing around and still run things to tha max and end up like the last 7 years before last year if he keeps firing coaches and drafting projects in the 1st round.
The RaiderLaker
DHB should play, no doubt, but he should not get most of the snaps. That should go to Moore or Ford.
Al will give his input, Hue will give his input and it will result in DHB getting less snaps than Moore and Ford which is what I hope.
The RaiderLaker
Is Ford back yet?
Who starts is of little or no significance it means they played the first play of the first possession. Whoopeeee again hes who finishes the game period.
Yes
But it doesnt matter who starts.I say DHB and Moore should start based on regular season performance, they have been our best receivers so far.Also DHBs blocking is a huge plus in the run game.
DHB one of our best receivers, I beg to differ, I believe he is one of the worst...
RECEIVING
Year ……… REC YD
2009 ……….. 9 124
2010……….. 26 366
2011…….. … 4 44
Did I say he only scoreed 1 touchdown in each of his first two seasons. DHB is still a work in progress, number 8 overall pick, so far he is a bust. He should NOT start, but as I mentioned he probably will.
by Rodney Sacramento on Sep 23, 2011 8:22 AM PDT up reply actions
"DHB one of our best receivers"
when did i say that? We are not going to be able to pass on the Jets D at all if we dont get the run game going, and even then we wont have much success no matter who starts.DHBs blocking ability will help the run game, thats why he SHOULD get alot of PT.
“number 8 overall pick, so far he is a bust.” he will never live up to being taken 8th overall, so he will always be a bust, but that doesnt mean he cant be a solid receiver.
by RyanTheRaider on Sep 23, 2011 9:32 AM PDT up reply actions
you said dhb has been our been our best wr along with moore
This year. How is 4 for 44 better than 5 for 61. Hags has got one more snag and and 17 more yards, isn’t that better? Plus I saw hags and little d moore setting some nice down field blocks. I mean you make it sound like dhb is the only guy that can block down field.
by rodeosnake12 on Sep 23, 2011 10:23 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
the game plans were totally different
we ran all day in denver and we had to pass the entire 2nd half vs Buffalo because they shut down the run.Both Moore and Hagan are good blockers, but DHB is better imo.I dont care who takes the first snap, but i think DHB should get alot of PT for his blocking ability vs the Jets.Depending on the matchup, Hagan and Moore should play alot too,Hagan Vs cromartie, and Moore vs revis.
by RyanTheRaider on Sep 23, 2011 10:42 AM PDT up reply actions
The Raiders will pass on the Jets and be successful at it. I do agree DHB is a good
blocker, and I do understand what you mean now. I am not sold on this kid yet at all and 4 catches letting the ball hit your body doesn’t do anything in my opinion to change my thoughts on his game. I WANT DHB to be successful. he is a big kid with a lot of speed and if he ever figures it our, he can be a force to recon with. I am true Silver and Black so I want every Raider to be of Pro Bowl caliber. I also think its a great game to run a 3 receiver set, and run it often and run Revis away from plays until he’s frustrated…lol
by Rodney Sacramento on Sep 23, 2011 11:56 AM PDT up reply actions
Moore and DHB no doubt
If you believe that Hagan or Schilens is going to do well against the Jets you are living on a different planet. We’ll be lucky if we get anything out of any of our WRs this week. Moore and DHB if nothing else, give us the threat of taking it to the house. Success this week means throwing to those other guys… Boss, Reece, McFadden, Bush, Jones, and Gordan (if active). Use the WRs that can get the big play and/or block. If you think we can just steadily march down the field on the Jets, think again. We need big plays.
Sad... Watch the tape people. Hagan can totally get a catch covered by Cro who looks like he doesn't like contact.
Hagan is also a seasoned vet with good techniques… Such asinine comments will be called out.
Hagan will play as well as DHB and Moore since they are healthy. They will have to play as fatigue plays a part. Oh, and yes, Hagan will do well.
The RaiderLaker
Which is what I think they're going to try to do with DHB
They only really tried to hit DHB deep once in Denver, his other catches were intermediate routes, square ins and stuff. They clearly like Moore on the jump ball, with his 36 inch vertical…but I think they’ll try to isolate Schillens on the no. 3 CB and hit him deep early…just a hunch.
we never retreat we always ATTACK!!!
by transparent58 on Sep 23, 2011 9:50 AM PDT up reply actions
i know they always try atleast one deep ball to dhb
Which never gets hauled in. There’s a reason they have never tried this kid on kick returns and its because his lack of catching deep balls. Like you said he made some nice catches were on the intermediate level so maybe its time to shorten up his routes and let him catch some over the middle on some crossing/slant stuff and then let him use his speed to get his gains, like that big one he broke off against the eagles on a curl, made a dude whiff and then ran like a stripped ass ape for 70 yards and a score. They’ve been trying to make him something that classy he is not, and that’s a down the field threat. Shorten him up, where he can catch the ball in space and on the run and let him use his wheels to put up the big gain instead of trying to achieve through the air. Moore is definitely the man to put in deep jump ball situations.
by rodeosnake12 on Sep 23, 2011 10:40 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
+1
hes good at getting the YAC because he big,strong,and fast.
by RyanTheRaider on Sep 23, 2011 10:43 AM PDT up reply actions
Transparent58, DHB is comfortable with those routes, though he runs fast he has lacked
that move to get him separation to take off. I hope he can get his game together, he doesn’t do well on the long ball.
by Rodney Sacramento on Sep 23, 2011 11:58 AM PDT up reply actions
dhb a threat to take it to the house, hella funny!
2 scores in 39 career receptions is a big fuckin threat to “take it to the house”
But I hope he takes 4 of them there to make up for lost time, but normally the proof is in the puddin’.
by rodeosnake12 on Sep 23, 2011 10:30 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Lol by the way, it was 1 in each season, he is a real scoring threat...Right!!!
by Rodney Sacramento on Sep 23, 2011 11:59 AM PDT up reply actions
im with you on him
Not sold, but damn I like him, seems like a very well mannered hard working kid that wants to be good, but lacks that swagger you know? Listen to d moore speak, no doubt in his mind that he bad ass and he knows and tells him self that. Dhb you can tell doesn’t have that killer instinct and seems like he’s the kind that needs people to keep his spirits up. Maybe he will snap out of it like mcfads did. This is his 3rd year and again he has got hurt for the third straight year. Maybe if he can stay sound foe the rest of the year he can get constant reps and find a consistent groove, but thus far he is hardly a threat to score.
by rodeosnake12 on Sep 23, 2011 2:38 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Which is more scores per year average than Hagan
Wake up and smell the coffee. Hagan is nobody.
Lol, DHB is at the bottom of my depth chart skill wise...He should NOT start
and the catches against Denver mean nothing. If you look at the plays they didn’t prove anything. However, he will start if he is healthy and he will have the opportunity to prove that he can make the move to be a legit starter. This guy runs robotic routes and any DB worth his weight should shut him down. Now DHB needs to prove different, and NOT drop passes. How can you look at the Denver game when his body of work is atrocious..DHB hasn’t even proven he deserves to be on the field yet.. Speed does NOT mean you will always be open, the best that ever played the game lacked blazing speed, Jerry Rice, Steve Largent, Monk, Carter, Belitnikoff, Alworth, actually, you can probably count the sub 4.4 receivers on one hand that are in the HOF, because of their lack of elusion in their games. DHB will get shutdown before Hagan, or C-Chill will for sure, or Ford or Murphy..DHB is the worst receiver on our roster skill wise, but probably the fastest, which means nothing because you can cover speed when the route is telegraphed..Then he defends himself, he drops passes. Ford, Hagan, Moore, Chill, Murphy, DHB is my rotation…
by Rodney Sacramento on Sep 23, 2011 8:11 AM PDT reply actions
+1
Track speed and football speed are as different as night and day.
by rodeosnake12 on Sep 23, 2011 11:04 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
This is a new year, give credit where credit is due...
Absolutely, DHB has under performed the first two years in the league. Our running game was on track versus Denver so DHB wasn’t a big factor until late when he made a few 1st down catches. The one late in the 4th quarter helped sealed the game. That’s the confidence he needs. Denarius Moore proved that he deserves to start. Hagen deserves playing time, but DHB should also be in the mix. Not very long ago, the Raiders WR corps was one of the biggest question mark. Now, we debating who we should have in there. That’s a much better scenario!
Furthermore, Campbell has learned not to under throw his WRs. See the capabilities in our WRs if he airs it out and gives them a chance to make a play on the ball! Ford, DHB and we already know Moore can make things happen.
I’ve always thought Nnamdi was better than Revis. Let’s prove it this weekend! Upset special. You’re not coming into a packed house and think you’re going to walk all over us!! “Code Black” in effect!
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