Oakland Raiders 2012 Draft Targets: Cornerback
by RDreamer on Sep 28, 2011 10:27 AM PDT
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PrintRaiderDamus here with a look ahead to the Raiders' draft next April. The Raiders have somewhat put themselves in a bit of a bind in the draft, having traded two picks in the first four rounds and having forfeited another due to the selection of Terrelle Pryor in the third round of this year's Supplemental Draft. However, the Raiders do have a first-round selection. The Raiders are currently averaging 30.6 points per game, a total unthinkable under Tom Cable and Jamarcus Russell, so for now we will ignore the offensive side of the ball. The Raiders will go defensive, and there are plenty of strong cornerback candidates to choose from. They may want to go this route even if Chris Johnson becomes good or Chimdi Chekwa continues his strong play. Let's start with Cliff Harris:
Cliff Harris Highlight Video (via Spazman1619)
Cliff Harris is a lockdown cornerback of the highest caliber. He made that clear upon entering school. When he and his fellow freshmen were introducing themselves to the rest of the Oregon Ducks team, Cliff famously said, "My name is Cliff Harris, and I'm here to lock (expletive) down." Harris takes pride in absolutely cutting off one half of the field, a la Deion Sanders or the former Raider Nnamdi Asomugha (until quite recently). Harris is an outstanding athlete with blazing speed and a massive vertical leap, and can make so-called perfect passes seem like routine pass defenses. If you throw to where Cliff Harris is, you have made a grave error as a quarterback.
But Harris is also a punt returner, and one of the best in the country. He has DeSean Jackson-like elusiveness and is a threat to take it to the house every single time he touches the football. In the 2010 season, Harris returned four punts for touchdowns and only called for five fair catches. During the same season, he also had seven interceptions, one of which he returned for a touchdown. It can be seen in the video in this post. Oregon defensive coordinator Nick Aliotti runs a complex scheme, so Harris is comfortable playing press man, zone, or blitzing. He can truly do it all.
However, Harris has only played in one game this season, due to off-the-field issues. He was suspended for the first three games of the season for speeding and driving with a suspended license. Cliff Harris is no altar boy, and in fact is probably a bit of a knucklehead. The good thing about his trouble is that nobody was hurt, and that incident may drive his stock down enough to where the Raiders have a shot at him where they draft in the first round, which I anticipate to be between #20 and #25.
The knock on Harris will likely be his size. He is not large, at 5-11 and 165 pounds, but he makes up for his stature with his physical play and outstanding athleticism. It remains to be seen whether the Raiders, who prefer larger defensive backs, would consider Harris at their slot.
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NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
I’m a huge Ducks fan they are may second fav football team the Raiders being the obvious number one! Have you watched him he is 3rd string this year not the Cliff Harris of last year for sure. He’s still trying to work out of the dog house after his 143+ mph speeding ticket! Cliff has not shown the goods this year. last year Cliff would have been a high pick right now he grades out to 3rd-4th rounder max IMO…
There is one name and one name only from the Duck’s secondary!
None other than:
* John Boyett
* #20
* Safety
* Oregon Ducks
* Class: Junior 3V
* Height: 5-10
* Weight: 198
* Previous School: Napa HS
* Hometown: Napa, California
He either a better Girdano or a John Lynch
He is a crushing hitter and he has great ball instincts watch for this guy Oregon Safety’s have done very well in this league recently. Boyd played LB at Oregon. For the record I still want Kenny Rowe!
Patrick Chung
Jaris Bird
This is his Sophomore year
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZUKaxk7Sg_M
A suspension will do that to a guy
But Cliff Harris didn’t lose any talent from this year to last year. You and I both know Chip Kelly will let him earn his place on this team back and he will be what he was. Unfortunately, no matter how good he is, he can’t get any taller before the draft.
I love John Boyett, but due to his size he grades out as a third round pick at best, even though he plays at a very high level. He would make an excellent pick for the Raiders in a later round. Guys like him tend to fall and get overlooked.
These are my principles. If you don't like them, I have others. -Groucho Marx
Transcripts
Officer was obviously a Duck fan…. I hope he learns to make better decisions Roger Goodell may suspend him for 2 years after he’s drafted LOL
“You guys going to school in Eugene?” the trooper asked.
“Yes sir,” replied a passenger.
“Who’s got the marijuana?” asked the trooper.
“We smoked it all,” said someone in the car.
“I don’t know if I believe that,” the trooper said.
Harris then told the officer to search the car.
The officer then asked Harris for I.D., and Harris said he didn’t have any.
“What do you got? You got something for the car? Who’s the car registered to?” asked the trooper.
“It’s my girlfriend’s car.”
The trooper then asked Harris for his name and asked why he was driving so fast.
Harris simply responded he was just trying to get to Eugene.
At this point the passengers are brought into question.
“What’s your name? I can’t hear. What’s his name?” asked the trooper.
“Darron.”
“Darron what?” asked the trooper.
“Darron Thomas.”
“You’re Darron Thomas? Yes you are,” said the trooper.
“Why you guys smoking dope driving down the road at 118 miles per hour?” asked the trooper.
“We’re just trying to get home.”
Also a ducks fan
Cliff’s got a lot of talent but is definitely a bit of a knucklehead – I am undecided on this one.
John Boyett is my favourite player.
"We’re going to be a tough, rugged football team that walks with a swagger and plays the way the Raiders used to play." Hue Jackson
Boyett just continues to crush people and he has great ball skills
I still love LaMichael James and the rookie Thomas is gonna be insane!
Yeah DAT is the man
Still can’t help but think if je didn’t have those fumbles against LSU we might be 3-0 though :(
"We’re going to be a tough, rugged football team that walks with a swagger and plays the way the Raiders used to play." Hue Jackson
by Ozraider on Sep 28, 2011 2:31 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
I'm in the same boat as you...big Ducks fan...bigger Raiders fan
I agree with your assessment of Cliff…he’s pretty small but has solid skills and character issues. I don’t think he’s first round worthy but he may turn into a solid pro if he gets his act together.
You know what would make a good story? Something about a clown who makes people happy, but inside he's real sad. Also, he has severe diarrhea.
by Buster Bluth on Sep 29, 2011 4:08 AM PDT up reply actions
I'm just happy that Chip Kelly
Has done the right things most of the time regarding discipline. Next year this team will be awesome!
and on probation
we never retreat we always ATTACK!!!
by transparent58 on Sep 29, 2011 5:29 PM PDT up reply actions
I think we
get a LB to replace Grooves and a db and maybe another DT and OL?
Aaron Curry?
I think he might be worth a shot if he is really on the trading block.
I'm an Oregon fan.
Cliff Harris is a monster, plays bigger then his body and has amazing athleticism and instincts. And John Boyet this kid can play. Kinda like a young John lynch.
by iMJakeBusch on Sep 28, 2011 11:25 AM PDT via mobile reply actions
Harris is too small to be a Bully in the NFL and doesn't have good hands. If we did take him, I'd be okay but not earlier than the 4th
S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
"I made a trade for Seymour. ..I thought it was a great trade. Still do. [Al Davis 1/2011]
"I love to win, even against my daughters, I want to win" Hue "Action" Jackson 8/19/11
by Sons-of-Blanda on Sep 28, 2011 11:44 AM PDT reply actions
as depleted as our secondary is
i still say a linebacker should be the #1 priority in the draft
I'll be profiling some of those too
There aren’t many OLB worthy of a first round pick, but there are some ILB and I’ll be doing more posts like this one.
These are my principles. If you don't like them, I have others. -Groucho Marx
good point.
i didnt even take in to account if there was an OLB worth of a 1st round pick. i harldy watch college ball anyway so i wouldn’t know.
There isn't
Zach Brown and Travis Lewis are both decent prospects, but neither look like first round guys to me. On the other hand, Vontaze Burfict and Luke Kuechly both look like high first round picks but both are middle linebackers. We already have McClain there, so we have to ask if we want to draft a guy and have him switch to outside linebacker.
These are my principles. If you don't like them, I have others. -Groucho Marx
yes it would
But you can’t take a backup middle linebacker in the first. You can in the fifth. A warm body will do.
These are my principles. If you don't like them, I have others. -Groucho Marx
he was out last year too
he seems injury prone, cant rely on him being healthy.
by RyanTheRaider on Sep 28, 2011 8:35 PM PDT up reply actions
I was thinking he's gonna be behind the 8 ball
He will have missed almost 2 seasons. I hope he can get healthy and help the team…
Hopefully he can keep bulking up and getting stronger as he gets older and heals
He seems to have the brain and skillset to succeed at LB in the NFL
Vontaze burfict is a beast I would rather have him at MLB and move McClain outside
by 209raider on Sep 28, 2011 6:38 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Yes. He really anchored a brilliant defensive effort against USC.
I think ASU is going to surprise a lot of people.
The highlights just don't look that impressive to me
He does look elusive on the returns, but he doesn’t look that fast. On the coverages, he looks like he is beat on a lot of those, but they are just poorly thrown balls.
I was hoping for the raiders to pickup
Manti Teo, ILB out of Notre Dame. He can clearly play the ball and cover ground side to side. We need depth and we need a OLB with speed and this guy is the whole package. He can run a 4.5-4.7 for a 255 LB? That is almost unheard of, If you haven’t seen this young man play then you should, He plays lights out on everyplay and can lay the wood to defenders. If manti teo enters next years draft then raiders should trade down to get him, He will fill alot of problems for the Raiders.
RAIDERS NATION
"There only can be one nation, The Raider Nation"
Here is a Video
about manti teo’s positives and negatives. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1D__w0Jpvx8
RAIDERS NATION
"There only can be one nation, The Raider Nation"
by AlwaysWinBaby on Sep 28, 2011 12:36 PM PDT up reply actions
I have seen him play
I may do one of these for him. With that speed and natural talent we can probably move him outside.
These are my principles. If you don't like them, I have others. -Groucho Marx
Manti Teo
Is a beast alone with his talent, now add his physical attributes and that speed, he can line up OLB with ease, If we can get this guy im sure we would be set at the LB position. Goethel will be back next year and he can be the backup for rolondo mcclain. It would be epic to get this kid.
RAIDERS NATION
"There only can be one nation, The Raider Nation"
by AlwaysWinBaby on Sep 28, 2011 12:49 PM PDT up reply actions
I was listening to something yesterday where they were saying there might be no first round worthy corners in next years draft
as they are all too small to cover the big recievers in the NFL now
"We’re going to be a tough, rugged football team that walks with a swagger and plays the way the Raiders used to play." Hue Jackson
When I recruit in NCAA I always look for the big CB with decent speed.
Height of a CB changes the entry angle of the ball for the QB when trying to get it to the intended target IMO. Just like a WR that has hops you can throw it up and a 5’10" cb ain’t getting it but WR’s like Dez and Calvin just go up and get it and you can’t stop it.
Corners have always been smaller than WRs
There are plenty of first-round CBs in the draft. Alfonzo Dennard, Stephon Gilmore, Morris Claiborne, and Dre Kirkpatrick are all likely going to be in the draft and I would take any of them in the first round.
These are my principles. If you don't like them, I have others. -Groucho Marx
This guy turned out pretty good
* Nnamdi Asomugha
* Height: 6-2
* Weight: 210
* Draft: 2003 – 1st round (31st pick) by the Oakland Raiders
I still feel the evolution of the position is to get taller. The talking heads said Nnam was to big to play corner… How many big WR’s are there a lot more than their used to be…
We drafted Nnamdi and Routt
But we also drafted Derrick Gibson and Walter McFadden. Every team has this problem. There will be a blue-chip defender there for us in the first. We can probably trade down and get someone just as good if we so choose, but Al isn’t known for trading down.
These are my principles. If you don't like them, I have others. -Groucho Marx
Gibson was drafted as a safety
Nanamdi was a Safety at Cal and the media brutalized Mr. Davis for that one. We also Drafted C Wood . The more disappointing one was Fabian Washington now with the Saints I believe he was a 1st rounder as well. Any 3rd or 4th rounders taken probably only have a 25% chance of lasting more than 4-5 years there are always exceptions.
I hope there is value in the 1st round pick and it’s on defense unless somebody totally gifted falls in our laps otherwise just trade it.
The issue with trading down is lately thats been the trend
And that’s how the Pats have gathered 127 draft picks for next years draft (that’s exaggerated humor). I’m a huge proponent of trading down but you have to have willing partners to do so. Mr Davis isn’t afraid to get his guy nor to pay players he deems of value.
Nnamdi can't be considered a well spent draft pick at this point
No matter how good he is, if he ain’t helping us, then it was wasted.
Routt we got in the second which is where we start to do better each draft.
But Huff isn’t quite worth the first, and then there’s Buchanon, Fabian Washington…not since Charles Woodson have we done well with #1 at DB.
Well at that point we could have taken Huff or Leinart
I think we made a decent call.
These are my principles. If you don't like them, I have others. -Groucho Marx
You're opinion on
"We’re going to be a tough, rugged football team that walks with a swagger and plays the way the Raiders used to play." Hue Jackson
by Ozraider on Sep 28, 2011 3:54 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
You're opinion on the Nnamdi pick is ludicrous
"We’re going to be a tough, rugged football team that walks with a swagger and plays the way the Raiders used to play." Hue Jackson
by Ozraider on Sep 28, 2011 3:54 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
just because he left doesnt mean he wasnt a good pick
by RyanTheRaider on Sep 28, 2011 4:10 PM PDT up reply actions
+1
But the point about us not doing that great at drafting DB’s in the first round is a decent point … Inarguably Buchanon, Washington, and Gibson, and arguably Huff, turned out to not be exactly worthy of 1st round picks (although of these only Gibson really sucked).
OTOH Nnamdi, and many years before him C. Wood, are the only times in recent memory we’ve done well on 1st round db picks. And we’ve actually tried it a lot of times if you look at all those names over the past 13 or so years. That’s a lot of 1st round picks on same 1/5th of the available positions on your team.
by Brett J Valjalo on Sep 28, 2011 4:45 PM PDT up reply actions
i agree that we dont do well with DBs in the first round
but we dont really do well in the first round period.
by RyanTheRaider on Sep 28, 2011 6:08 PM PDT up reply actions
Well let's specify then
Was he a SENSIBLE pick? Of course, he was. Man’s got talent. Obviously.
Was it a WELL SPENT pick? Well, considering he’s not with us anymore, we gave him a bunch of money, he didn’t perform up to Al’s standards, and we weren’t able to trade him for anything… No. We draft to improve OUR team, not the Eagles. Not to put free agents out on the market. With 20/20 hindsight and in the long run, it’s a wasted pick.
We got 8 season out of Nnamdi
i wouldnt call that wasted, we will end up getting less than that from Seymour and you think that was a great trade dont you?
by RyanTheRaider on Sep 28, 2011 6:05 PM PDT up reply actions
And yet
Al didn’t see fit to bring Nnamdi back this year. Guess your dispute is with AL on this one.
what?
whats that have to do with anything?
by RyanTheRaider on Sep 28, 2011 6:26 PM PDT up reply actions
Meaning
You might think he had 8 great seasons, but apparently the guy makes the contracts didn’t, otherwise he’d still be on the roster.
Thats why a bunch of other teams
were lining up to give him big money?
by RyanTheRaider on Sep 28, 2011 6:54 PM PDT up reply actions
Al was thinking of the future not the past
8 years from any round pick is good, also we will be getting a 3rd round pick from the league for him. Just because Al thought he wasn’t going to continue to be worth new big money doesn’t mean he wasn’t worth the previous big money. He did after all sign him to the biggest contract all time for a CB on his last contract with him.
"We want to win. The Raider fans deserve it. The Raider players deserve it, even my organization deserves it. You have to win and you have to win with a vision for the Super Bowl. That's our passion here."--Al Davis
"Winning isn't everything, but wanting to win is."--Vince Lombardi
by Marcus Allen Krause on Sep 28, 2011 7:25 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Are you drunk?
"We’re going to be a tough, rugged football team that walks with a swagger and plays the way the Raiders used to play." Hue Jackson
by Ozraider on Sep 28, 2011 6:40 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Every team has had failures at every position
Are we bad at drafting DL’s because of Quentin Moses or are we good because of Lamarr Houston, are we bad at drafting.
You can cherry pick what ever you want.
"We’re going to be a tough, rugged football team that walks with a swagger and plays the way the Raiders used to play." Hue Jackson
by Ozraider on Sep 28, 2011 2:36 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Well Hmmm I'd say overall we are not bad there
Shaugnessy, Houston, Kelly, Scott, Seymour (1st round pick lol). Howie Long, Sean Jones, McGlockton, Bryant, Darrell Russell (AWFUL Outcome!)
QB’s is where we have had little success since the 2nd round with Stabler… There ain’t no Cherry picking at all!!
The Duece
Marc Wilson
Rusty Hilger
Adrew Walter
Todd Marujuanavich
Marques Tuiasosopo
Billy Joe Hobert
Major Harris
Steve Beuerlein (turned out ok just not here)
Randy Essington
Scott Lindquist
Jeb Blount
David Humm
Harry Knight
Mike Rae
Eldridge Dickey
Ken Stabler 1968 someday a HOF!!!
I'd agree with that
QB is one area we have had no luck in the draft other than Snake
"We’re going to be a tough, rugged football team that walks with a swagger and plays the way the Raiders used to play." Hue Jackson
by Ozraider on Sep 28, 2011 3:32 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
You are being too fatalistic rightnasty.
Just because we have not had the best of luck with the first rounders does not mean that the trend will continue. We have different coaches than before who seem to be successful with the draft. We are doing well because of the draft and I hope this continues
by RaiderPsycho on Sep 28, 2011 3:58 PM PDT up reply actions
As the man above pointed out
Our best first rounder in a decade or more: Richard Seymour. Hell, just look at this year. No #1 and yet six of our picks make the team. We are great in the later rounds, but in the first, “dubious” is the polite way to say it.
People are looking at this the wrong way though. Trading the pick plays to Al’s strength, in making moves for players that can help the team. Whether free agents or trades for guys, is it not what he does best?
I like being called the man above! Can I use that ?
It was Humor regarding Seymour and that was directed towards D-Line players drafted by that standard we also drafted Jason Campbell… in the 3rd round … Which would improve our QB drafts…
Seymour (1st round pick lol)
That doesn’t negate the Nnamdi pick being a good pick.
We also drafted some guy named McFadden you may heard of him he’s kinda good he prolly our best 1st round pick in a decade.
But it was a fair point
Trading a draft pick for a player is just as or more viable than taking a chance on a rookie. And a great trade by Al. Seymour’s the heart and soul of the D.
Yeah, I hear good things about that guy McFadden :)
Also to make it more official, you ought to capitalize it ie. The Man says…
"Trading a draft pick for a player is just as or more viable than taking a chance on a rookie."
i got one word for you, Moss
by RyanTheRaider on Sep 28, 2011 5:57 PM PDT up reply actions
Moss?
Oh you mean that guy who set the record for touchdown receptions in a season (albeit not with a Kerry Collins throwing to him), the guy that Brady wants back on the Patriots?
That Moss?
yeah
the one that played like crap when he was with us, that one.I got another one too.Hall
by RyanTheRaider on Sep 28, 2011 6:24 PM PDT up reply actions
Really?
He “sucks” while he’s with the Raiders (even if he did lead the team in TD receptions one year), but goes on to set a NFL record with the Patriots.
Maybe it’s got something to do with the team??
Hall too. He had 6 picks for Washington last year. In both cases the talent was clearly there, the Raiders just were unable to make use of it.
when did i say he sucks?
I said he played like crap here, and so did Hall.Two examples of trades that didnt work out.
by RyanTheRaider on Sep 28, 2011 6:55 PM PDT up reply actions
It's interesting how certain eras in the fabled history of Raiderdom
we have brought the best out of “washed up” or otherwise somehow disenfranchised players (Hendricks, Alzado, Plunket, and now Seymour, Campbell—just to name a few); this has certainly been the hallmark of the legendary Raider mystique through the years.
And then in other eras, these same type of players seem to bail on that same mystique and epically fail, as in the case of Moss and Hall. Moss is/was a headcase and sabotaged his own experience here. Andrew Walter deserved better, I always thought.
Ya
I like Plunkett’s example especially. Got off to a really rough start in this league, came to the Raiders, QBed the team to the Super Bowl, and (when it mattered most) have a strong game against a really good defense.
Hall still is crap
Teams don’t respect him and he gets burned all game. His 6 INTs from last year are misleading. He intercepted 4 against Cutler in Chicago and 2 the rest of the season. Anytime you get challenged like that, you’re going to get your share of poorly thrown balls/interception opportunities.
He was garbage here because of the extra attention he got opposite Nnamdi. With teams throwing at him 90% of the game, he got torched.
I have debated the college draft vs free agency views too often already.
I will just say that for all of your wishful thinking regarding in investing in expensive FAs that ruin our draft strategy, it is my belief that the coaches are going to continue their reliance on the draft.
by RaiderPsycho on Sep 28, 2011 8:46 PM PDT up reply actions
When they do pick up FAs they will be inexpensive but serviceable ones that will eventually be replaced by the draft.
Nevertheless, I hope Hagan hangs around.
by RaiderPsycho on Sep 28, 2011 9:12 PM PDT up reply actions
Hagan and Moss are good examples of inexpensive drafts that seem to be panning out well.
Players like that don’t ruin the draft strategy and it seems that there is a high probability that they are going to hang around. I sure hope so.
by RaiderPsycho on Sep 28, 2011 9:15 PM PDT up reply actions
That's been the MO lately
Draft and fill needs with serviceable FA. I still love the Kevin Boss acquisition…
Not sure what you mean
Ruin our draft strategy? Thought the strategy was simply to pick the best athlete and hope they can learn the system and not have attitude problems.
I mean, fine, people are not happy with the Moss and Hall trades, but what about Seymour and Campbell?
Seymour and Campbell were good trades
but what about McFadden and McClain?
by RyanTheRaider on Sep 29, 2011 12:57 PM PDT up reply actions
Well
I think McFadden was kind of a no brainer considering he was what third in the Heisman Trophy voting?
McClain, I think, will be a good pick in the long run, but there are some in this forum who appear doubtful. Still that body slam against Amendola made it worth it. Never seen anything like that on a football field before.
Hall is strictly a zone CB, he will never be good in a man to man scheme, he "sucks."
We could have never avoided that dissapointment. Moss being disgruntled could’ve been avoided but we had garbage talent/players.
I remember Tuisasopo and Andy Walter….
The RaiderLaker
I think that our strategy
to pick for potential works really well in the later rounds. You want guys who have all of the physical characteristics, speed, measurables in the later rounds so you can teach them the fundamentals and coach them up.
However, this strategy leaves you open to “busts” in the first round. I think in the first round you have to take a sure thing. Be safe in the first round (McClain) and take a guy without all the upside, but someone who produced in college and projects as a solid 5-10 year pro. I understand looking at guys with all the potential in the world, like DHB, but when your team is drafting in the top 10, you need the safe bet.
True bro we've had our share of 1st round busts
With all the potential in the world that could never produce on an NFL level but I’m still not sold on McClain hopefully he changes my mind
by 209raider on Sep 29, 2011 8:46 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Everyone has it's a giant crap shoot!
We just get magnified in every decision made because the media doesn’t fawn all over Mr. Davis. The media knows that Mr. Davis thinks their stupid and they are all butt hurt about it and being a hater obviously pays well. Look and Warren Crapp!
I mean it gets magnified
because we picked Huff, Russell, McFadden, and DHB with consecutive top ten picks. Up until last year, none of these players looked like they were capable of playing in the NFL. Since then, McFadden looks like the real deal, Huff would be a starting safety on a lot of teams in this league, DHB still looks like a bust, and Russell was one of the worst players in NFL history.
Sometimes the safe pick is the right pick. Other times, the safe pick doesn’t work out (Gallery).
Must be a slow day in football news to be prognostacating about 2012 draft
Listen, I know our secondary is our weak link defensively right now, Albeit we could also use an upgrade at the WLB, but this is way early.
ChimChek is gonna suprise you all, as a Big10 fan I have watched him play alot, and he was the best man corner in the B10 last year, he has potential to be as good as NA21 or Bevis. DVD has potnetial too.
NO MERCY!
I'm not worried about him
It was a short camp and he got hurt missed most of camp no he’s healthy and getting some reps..
I like it how he has one good game and next an all of a sudden he is the next Revis
The kid looked good but let’s settle down a little.
People are so reactionary lmao
"We’re going to be a tough, rugged football team that walks with a swagger and plays the way the Raiders used to play." Hue Jackson
by Ozraider on Sep 28, 2011 2:39 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
All he said was that he had potential to be as good as those guys
Not that they were gonna be as good as them
by 209raider on Sep 28, 2011 9:23 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Whats the latest on pryor's suspension????
by rogerwhitedorcett on Sep 28, 2011 2:27 PM PDT reply actions
Team is looking good!
I think they are going to take to the patriots this week! Love to see a win!
by rogerwhitedorcett on Sep 28, 2011 2:28 PM PDT up reply actions
It's not a major issue
Kind of seems like the NFL are dragging their feet on purpose by the time they make a descision he might have served the suspension already – very petty and vindictive IMO, he should at least be able to practice with the teamseems like almost an attempt to sabotage him.
"We’re going to be a tough, rugged football team that walks with a swagger and plays the way the Raiders used to play." Hue Jackson
by Ozraider on Sep 28, 2011 2:34 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Do you think he can make the team better?
by rogerwhitedorcett on Sep 28, 2011 2:38 PM PDT up reply actions
I highly doubt he will have any role to play
Other than maybe a wildcat type play here an there but I also wouldn’t be surprised if he didn’t see the field at all.
"We’re going to be a tough, rugged football team that walks with a swagger and plays the way the Raiders used to play." Hue Jackson
by Ozraider on Sep 28, 2011 2:42 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Looking forward to seeing him play. Hoping he surprises everyone!
by rogerwhitedorcett on Sep 28, 2011 2:45 PM PDT up reply actions
I Like him too and look forward to seeing him develop
But I’m also loving the way JC is playing so I really think it is a non factor. JC is perfect for this team right now and really for the forseeable future. I think the best course of action would be to let TP learn all year and maybe institue a package of plays for him to add another dimension to the O next year.
"We’re going to be a tough, rugged football team that walks with a swagger and plays the way the Raiders used to play." Hue Jackson
by Ozraider on Sep 28, 2011 3:29 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Considering that Jason is still plenty young, if he continue to play as he has, I think he is going to get a big contract.
The team is developing well around Jason and I can foresee stability at qb for a few years under Jason. I think it will serve TP well to observe Jason as Rodgers did Favre for a few years.
by RaiderPsycho on Sep 28, 2011 4:04 PM PDT up reply actions
Totally agree
"We’re going to be a tough, rugged football team that walks with a swagger and plays the way the Raiders used to play." Hue Jackson
by Ozraider on Sep 28, 2011 6:41 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
I don't think he takes one snap this year
unless something goes very very wrong
by lchristmas on Sep 28, 2011 4:48 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
This "O" Will Put Us Up Late In Games And Give Pryor An Opertunity In Garbage Time..
He needs this and the team is looking at him as our #3…Also I expect to see some decoy situations where they bring him on the field just to disrupt the "DC"s…With his size and speed they will be forced to take notice and something else will go uncovered…
He won't get put in in garbage time
Boller is the back up if anyone goes in in garbage time it will be him. If anything he might get some wildcat snaps but even that is unlikely given the fact he hasn’t practiced with the team at all and putting together a TP package on the fly may be difficult given the limited practice time to prepare for games week to week.
"We’re going to be a tough, rugged football team that walks with a swagger and plays the way the Raiders used to play." Hue Jackson
by Ozraider on Sep 28, 2011 7:46 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
You want they guy who is going to start
To get those snaps if there is any going around in garbage time
"We’re going to be a tough, rugged football team that walks with a swagger and plays the way the Raiders used to play." Hue Jackson
by Ozraider on Sep 28, 2011 8:02 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
You want they guy who is going to start incase of injury
To get those snaps if there is any going around in garbage time.
"We’re going to be a tough, rugged football team that walks with a swagger and plays the way the Raiders used to play." Hue Jackson
by Ozraider on Sep 28, 2011 8:02 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
He won't get put in in garbage time
Boller is the back up if anyone goes in in garbage time it will be him. If anything he might get some wildcat snaps but even that is unlikely given the fact he hasn’t practiced with the team at all and putting together a TP package on the fly may be difficult given the limited practice time to prepare for games week to week.
"We’re going to be a tough, rugged football team that walks with a swagger and plays the way the Raiders used to play." Hue Jackson
by Ozraider on Sep 28, 2011 7:49 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Fucking phone :/
"We’re going to be a tough, rugged football team that walks with a swagger and plays the way the Raiders used to play." Hue Jackson
by Ozraider on Sep 28, 2011 7:51 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
LoL!!!...I Have The Same Problems Posting Threw Some 10,000 Miles Of CyberSpace!!!
Damn thing stutters on me with these weird double posts and #’s disappearing….Than this happens too———-
It's a pain in the ass!
"We’re going to be a tough, rugged football team that walks with a swagger and plays the way the Raiders used to play." Hue Jackson
by Ozraider on Sep 28, 2011 9:46 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
hahaha totally!
"We’re going to be a tough, rugged football team that walks with a swagger and plays the way the Raiders used to play." Hue Jackson
whoa... deja vu
"tough times call for perseverance and a tough mind. I have been told that I can't play football before. We all know what happened with that. #neverquit"--Mark Herzlich
""The massive Raider Nation is beyond doubt the sleaziest and rudest and most sinister mob of thugs and wackos ever assembled."--Hunter S. Thompson
Inappropriately early to be talking about 2012
You have no idea how our young DBs will develop, no idea of who (Heaven forbid) may get hurt, may get traded, leave as a free agent, etc. to have any intelligent discussion about improving the team through the 2012 NFL Draft.
Furthermore, its way to early to be grading college talent – let’s see what the overall and positional rankings look like in January and February, not the end of September. You could easily be prognosticating some freak-athlete OLB who’s climb the draft boards.
Sheesh, Week 4 coming up against the Patriots, and you want to talk about 2012?
"When we play tough, and we play physical, and when we play the way we're supposed to play, can't nobody beat us." - Richard "SeaMonster" Seymour
Yes I do
I will do my preview of the Patriots game tomorrow, but right now college football is in full swing and it’s never too early to look ahead! My hope is that our young DBs Van Dyke and Chekwa develop to the point that we won’t need to take a CB at all, but it never hurts to open some dialogue.
These are my principles. If you don't like them, I have others. -Groucho Marx
I think DVD and Chekwa will be fine
DVD needs to gain some muscle, and him and Chek need some more experience.
by RyanTheRaider on Sep 28, 2011 2:50 PM PDT up reply actions
Sure they will
Rod Woodson is coaching them. But overall our secondary looks like it could use some more talent, and OLB as well.
These are my principles. If you don't like them, I have others. -Groucho Marx
I don't know much about college prospects, but Zach Brown doesn't really impress me from watching some game action of his
He’s solid, but he reminds a lot of Morrison. The way he moves, how he overpursues, and how a lot of his tackles are made from behind. I would go with the best available CB or OLB, but there is more to choose from at CB. I have faith that Chekwa and/or DVD will turn out well, but as the Packers have shown, it never hurts to have several good CB’s. So if there are no OLB’s worthy of a 1st rounder, then we should go CB, which is our 2nd most obvious position of need.
Maybe take the chance and try and convert an ILB to an OLB as well
If we do go CB, my guess is that Al will target Dre Kirkpatrick or Stephon Gilmore. The two biggest and fastest CB’s (and probably the best) CB’s in the draft.
I wouldn't count out Morris Claiborne either
Good kick returner, physical corner, huge guy, physical freak. If he declares, he is someone to watch. I will be doing one of these on him and both the guys you mentioned.
These are my principles. If you don't like them, I have others. -Groucho Marx
Way too early to be looking at indivdual players, IMO
Although that doesn’t rule out musing about possible positions that might be looked at with the first round pick.
Of course, it will depend on how the season shakes out, how players step up, or don’t, injuries, etc, but at this point, to be honest, I see that top pick going either DL or DB. Defensive line not because of a lack of production (so far), but due to age, and defensive back/safety due to not having anyone (so far) really step up from the pack after Routt.
That isn’t to say that I wouldn’t be looking at different positions, but I don’t run the team.
At this point, any guess is only half-assed…
The berserker is without honor; a true warrior knows and practices restraint
Just going off size and skill but...
If this guy drops, he will be Al’s new love:
Dre’ Kirkpatrick, Alabama, 6’3″ 192 He has size speed an agility. Probably a top 10 pick next year is my guess. And who cares if we are looking ahead it gives a look into the future.
Personally I don’t get excited for games until Saturday after I watch my Sun Devils play.
Also Vontaze Burfict is who I want to see in the silver and black. But I’m biased.
He looks like a beast
but could we move him outside? I think he’d be much better in coverage than a converted DE in Groves or Wimbley…
we never retreat we always ATTACK!!!
by transparent58 on Sep 29, 2011 12:35 PM PDT up reply actions
Look, Rdreamer
this is a cool post, but in my opinion one that would be more relevant um, say after the season is over, I am totally not even in the slightest already thinking about next season, I mean seriously man, who cares about this shit….Right now I am concerned about the New England Patriots, and then the Houston Texans, and then the Cleveland Browns…..I mean seriously already talking about next years draft????
Well, not to be too glib here but we all know who will be targeted next year:
the fastest players available at whatever position.
just like
Wiz and McClain.That may happen later in the draft though.
by RyanTheRaider on Sep 28, 2011 8:38 PM PDT up reply actions
Maybe The Bigest Fastest Nastiest "DT" Would Be Nice To Us???...That Be My Prediction!!!
I think we have the “DB” bodies to develop already when healthy….“OLB” could also be a target but we took a “LB” high last season so not as likely….We’re set at “DE”….
Our “O” is developing so nicely that there’s no longer a glaring need to fill…
I read on yardbarker that Heyer is now being deactivated, and that Barnes is losing the starting position to Barks next game.
For whatever that is worth. I had faith that Barks would start before the season ended, but not this early. I wonder if yardbarker is reliable enough in that regard?
I'd say no, but coincidentally there might be something to that
but I say Barnes remains the starter as long as he’s able to continue to produce. Barksdale still seriously lacks in the run game, and unless we plan on somehow going mostly pass this game, it’s unlike he starts as far as I’m concerned. But I’m with you; he’ll eventually win it, but after the halfway mark, and it may come by necessity too.
"tough times call for perseverance and a tough mind. I have been told that I can't play football before. We all know what happened with that. #neverquit"--Mark Herzlich
""The massive Raider Nation is beyond doubt the sleaziest and rudest and most sinister mob of thugs and wackos ever assembled."--Hunter S. Thompson
barnes has been great this year
I read on dogshitter that mcfadden is being cut and al has reached out to marcus allen to right the wrongs a la art shell part deux
by lchristmas on Sep 28, 2011 9:34 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
2012
CB or QB are first round consideration only. No reason to spend another mid or late round pick on either position. We could definately use a top CB prospect who’s ready to step in and start right away. The great QB prospects will likely be gone by our pick but if one is still there we have to consider him.
We might have to replace Michael Bush next year as he’ll be a free agent. Hate to waste the first round pick on a powerful RB but definately consider it with the other picks.
Al Davis doesnt normally draft a linebacker in round one. Unless there is someone so good you just cant pass him up, its a solid strategy. We dont have a lot of picks next year but we should pick at least one LB at some point in the draft. Goethel showed some talent before his injury but he might not be the same. We can easily improve depth at any of the three positions and hopefully get someone who will compete to start on the weak side.
We have some ageing DTs but I think Houston could potentially move inside to replace Seymour when the time comes. Henderson’s days are numbered also. Takeing a big guy is an option. If we dont go CB or QB in round 1, this is a good place to use it.
We could use another interior OL to eventually replace Carlisle or Satele as a starter. However we dont need to do it next year and it doesnt need to be in round 1. Dont even really need to do it through the draft. If Barksdale takes over as starting RT, we could replace either Heyer or Barnes with a cheaper young backup tackle. I think one or both will be a FA. Yet with only a few picks, we could just pass on the offensive line alltogether.
We could use a backup for Huff at FS. Brown didnt work out while Eugene had a serious injury and was mainly just a special teams guy. Mitchell looks more like a strong safety and Branch seems better at that role also. Boyd is definately more the strong safety type. You see how much Giordano is on the field with Huff playing corner. Giordano wasnt supposed to make the team this year. We’ll see if they decide to cut a guy when Mitchell comes back and who.
I dont see any other pressing needs. So many young guys already. Someone should be able to step up as a punt returner. Reece seems set at fullback. Got plenty of TEs. I’m sure we’ll draft another WR because we always do. Besides they are always breaking.
Have to disagree
You don’t draft for depth at DL or a QB for the future when you have pressing needs at CB and OLB, especially when this team will be in “win now” mode for 2012. We will probably have a 1st round, 2 3rd round supplemental, 5,6,7. I agree with first round consideration only at CB. If our guy isn’t there, its better to not reach and/or take a guy in the 3rd. We have enough DB projects.
Seymour will be fine for 2012 and maybe even 2013. Henderson may have 1-2 years left, but all of our DE’s are young and are beasts. Houston is the likely candidate to move to DT, so for 2013 we should look into DT’s. The OLine is young and only has depth needs. I could see us taking a safety and moving Mitchell to OLB. He would be great in coverage, but would need to bulk up to defend the run.
Not talking about depth in the first round.
Talking about someone who will become the starter. Campbell’s contract expires and he has yet to play like a franchise QB. Kelly isnt really a franchise DT and Henderson is very close to the end of his career. Houston isnt big enough to replace those guys. Like I said if we pass on CB/QB, DT becomes a good choice. If you think we should look at DT in 2013, then you should think that we can look at DT in 2012.
Safety is only a depth need. Huff just signed a long term contract, Mitchell is only in his second year, and Branch isnt likely to go anywhere. No reason to spend our first on a safety.
If you don't believe in Campbell
then you cleary have no idea how much of a crapshoot the draft is at that position. JC is a proven quarterback. He knows the offense, has been consistent, and is still relatively young. There is no reason to say he isn’t a franchise QB. Sure he isn’t Brady or Manning, but that doesn’t mean he can’t be our franchise QB.
I don’t see a need at DT in this years draft because we have Kelly, Seymour, Henderson, and Houston has played there at points. Having 3/4 DTs on roster is more than fine. Assuming a CB isn’t available, I’d much rather go after a safety. Mitchell isn’t proven yet, and could even wind up being an LB. Branch is a member of the secondary who routinely gets torched in pass coverage and hasn’t been all that great tackling in the open field. I’m not saying that safety is the biggest need, but when you’re triotting out Giordano and Boyd in passing situations, its become somewhat of a necessity.
“Campbell’s contract expires and he has yet to play like a franchise QB” Wrong
“Kelly isnt really a franchise DT” Wrong
“Houston isnt big enough to replace those guys.” Wrong
by RyanTheRaider on Sep 29, 2011 7:22 PM PDT up reply actions
Campbell does what hes asked
he keeps the ball safe and the defense honest.Kelly is playing at a probowl level, he was a probowl alternate last year.Houston is bigger than Kelly, Kelly is listed at 300, Houston at 305,Seymour is 310.Also, Houston is 3 inches shorter than both of them.
by RyanTheRaider on Sep 29, 2011 7:30 PM PDT up reply actions
Flawed logic IMO
CB or QB are first round consideration only. No reason to spend another mid or late round pick on either position. We could definately use a top CB prospect who’s ready to step in and start right away. The great QB prospects will likely be gone by our pick but if one is still there we have to consider him.
We might have to replace Michael Bush next year as he’ll be a free agent. Hate to waste the first round pick on a powerful RB but definately consider it with the other picks.
Tough to make a blanket statement like that. Regarding the draft it changes every year we have drafted every spot form the 1st round including K and P. The pool dictates the board. Before the comp picks we have a 1,4,5,6,7 maybe two 3rds in comps. 5-7 players. Deepest need at LB and Safety since we already drafted the QB with the 3rd pick. You just never know whats gonna fall to you like Denarious Moore in the 5th!
Bush is not going anywhere IMO a lot of teams were trying to get him via trade Bush ain’t going nowhere!
We dont have a 4th round pick.
And reason we shouldnt take a QB or CB after round 1 is because we already have Pryor, DVD, and Chekwa. If we pass on a CB in round 1 in 2012, better to wait until 2013.
TY I wasn't sure about the 4th pick we have nailed those lately!
Yeah no CB unless top level talent drops in our laps!
Janoris Jenkins
could be around in the third, and that’s great value for a kid that was a projected first rounder until he pissed hot again…
we never retreat we always ATTACK!!!
by transparent58 on Sep 29, 2011 5:31 PM PDT up reply actions
Why "QB" In 1st???...Pryor Is In The House So Maybe A "FA" #2/#3
The “DT” is my best bet…But posible “FA” too because these guys take time to develop….
“OLB” could come as “FA” also….
As you said we already have so many young bodies…"DB"s are developing but need to get healthy…
A top “CB” will always be a target but I’m thinking “DT” this season….
Someone posted a few weeks ago
about our cap situation being very very tight going into next year. We will likely lack the money to address these issues in free agency, especially assuming we sign JC to a moderate deal (which I am completely in favor of).
Come'on!!!....Sense When has $$$$ Been An Issue With Mr Davis???
If you follow this team you should know we always be over the cap…Every stinkin year but we still make our moves and sign our players….The ones we really want…
“JC” is looking to get a nice contract for his plays this season…But not on the strength of his arm making the game winning plays but on the strength of his game management and lack of serious mistakes….But how many other teams would even be interested???…He’s the product of a system and fits that system that has been developed around him…So I don’t think his contract will break the bank…
You realize how flawed this logic is...
We keep having to play cap wizard every to get remotely close to the cap by extending years and pushing the problem off to next year. Newsflash, its not solving any problems, merely creating a worse situation in the future.
At some point we need to stop being the team giving record deals to our players and start planning for the future. Look at what the Eagles were able to bring in this year (sure they haven’t clicked yet, but that part isn’t relevant). We don’t have an opportunity to go after top free agents in the future because all of our money has to go into resigning our own players.
Well Now Here We Sit Some $5 Mil Under This Cap -w- That $3 That Can Be Spent From Future Years...
Sorta throws a wench in your projections now doesn’t it??…And ah!!…The “GreenBirds” be loosing last I looked…
But maybe we spend that $$$ now and go after Aaron Curry who’s on the trad block and already restructured that huge contact the "SeaChicken"s awarded him….
You completely misunderstood my argument
Yeah we got under the cap this season by restructuring money to next year and the year after. Now instead of getting guys off the books, we keep them on longer and at a higher rate. Sure it helps right now, but wouldn’t it be nice to get cheap players like Hagan and have them play well, rather than giving Huff some ridiculous contract (http://www.silverandblackpride.com/2011/8/4/2342556/raiders). Why are we paying a medicore safety that much money to stick around? This is what creates problems.. his cap number is $6.8mm next year!
Sure the Eagles haven’t won anything yet, but wouldn’t it be exciting to go into an offseason without any free agents to resign and like 20mm of cap space? We could afford to bring some free agents in and fill some holes.
As for Aaron Curry, pass. Regardless of how restructured his contract is, he still has a lot of money coming to him and I’d rather not use the $3mm future year money unless we’re going for a game changer. The rookie wage scale is great for us, we can finally stop paying $60mm to future Russells and DHBs. I don’t see any scenario in which we can keep DHB next year without extending his years and lowering his ~11mm(?) cap number.
Also
outside of teams in our division, can you stick to their real team names, it makes it easier to understand who you’re talking about. I don’t know anyone who refers to the Eagles as the “GreenBirds” and I have lived in the surrounding area for most of my life.
NO!!....That's Just Me And The Way I Talk...Comes Out With My Thumbs The Same...
And it wasn’t original on my part…They be called that way…Like the “Black Birds” in Baltimore…“Red Birds” in AZ…Don’t know the slang for Atlanta???
They just be critters and no PETA freaks can spike me for that one!!!…But than I do eat anything that wiggles crawls fly’s or swims!!!…
Animal Rights?…Does that translate to team mascots?
by PantyRaider on Sep 30, 2011 10:20 AM PDT up reply actions
I've lived in Baltimore
and no one calls the Ravens the “Black Birds”
Also, I hate PETA.
Campbell is on a one year contract
This is a trial year for Campbell as a starter. His play will determine what kind of deal if any we offer him.
Of course, we may have a pretty low #1 draft pick anyway
AFTER THE RAIDERS WIN THE FREAKING SUPER BOWL!!!!!!
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