Raiders vs. Seahawks: Raiders Enter Season with Ominous Vibrations
by Rich Langford on Sep 3, 2011 2:02 AM PDT
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PrintThe Raiders just put out one pathetic effort against the Seahawks. They were sloppy and outplayed. Fatal flaws killed drives on offense, and let the Seahawks convert on offense. The Raiders have a lot to fix before the season.
The worst part of this ugly performance was the ineptitude of the offense. The first team (except Bush) offense played three series and managed only three points. We're not talking about the Steelers defense. The Seahawks' defense is bad. And it got worse.
One positive was the Jacoby Ford played and looked solid.
The Raiders third drive was against the Hawks backups. And the offensive line failed to let the run game assert itself. Michael Bush had six carries for 24 yards, but 14 of those were on one carry. The Raiders offense had way to many 0-2 yard carries tonight for their offense to run like it is designed.
Pass protection was solid. Jason Campbell was 8-11 with 76 yards. But too many of those passes came up short of the sticks, and this team was not converting first downs. They didn't convert one in the first quarter, and they were just 4-14 on third downs.
There were two bright spots in this game. The run defense and Stanford Routt.
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This was by far the best performance on run D. Justin Forsett and Leon Washington got all the early carries for the Seahawks, and combined 28 yards on 13 carries.
The defensive line can be thanked for the improvement. They were absolutely dominant. Seymour didn't play, but the rest more than picked up the slack. All of the regulars had great games on the D-line.
The problem in this game for the D was the pass defense. It was awful.
The Raiders got decent pressure, but Tavaris Jackson and Charlie Whitehurst bought time with scrambles and the man-to-man defense would crumble. When the Seahawks passes were complete they weren't completed on Routt's man.
Routt was fantastic. He looked like a very legit No.1 corner. He made a brilliant play (check out photos below) on a quick-in in the endzone. Routt was stride-for-stride and knocked the ball into the air where a sprinting Tyvon Branch could grab it.
Little else worked in the passing D. Tavaris Jackson and Charlie Whitehurst combined for 14-22 for 228 yards and one touchdown. That is bad. This performance was bad, and it only affirms the negative trends of the preseason.
The starting defense has yet to put a complete game together. They either get torched on the pass or the run.
The starting offense can't get into the endzone. The Raiders will have some key players back for the opener, but they have a lot of work to do if they want to be anywhere near .500.
Here's the Routt play:
He had amazing position on this slant. He knew Tate was running the slant and he beat him to the ball. Wonderful CB play.
He got his hands on it, but couldn't hall it in and tipped it up in the air...
right to Tyvon Branch who was ready to take it back 33-yards.
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Well At Least We're Not Being Picked To Bring Up The Rear!!!
2011 NFC cellar dwellers: Carolina, Seattle, Minnesota, New York Giants. 2011 AFC cellar dwellers: Buffalo, Cincy, Denver, Jacksonville.
I think the talent is there once they put it all together…When we game plan the “Donks” specific weapons will be targeted to be taken away…No one will be running free threw our secondary like now…Than the weaknesses on their “OL” will be exploited as well with Seymour and his fresh legs….The running backs will be shut out…
Our “O” will be lining up to take advantage of their "D"s faults…That run will be crammed down their throats with our 3 headed monster…Than we will pick away at their weak links in the secondary…We have far too many weapons for them to deal with adequately…
We have the same situation in week #2 before we have to get tested at home…So we get a little extra time to tune this ting up…
We'd better win those first two games
because after that we’ve got the Jets and Pats at home in weeks 3 and 4. The way we’ve played up to now, those two elite type teams will eat our lunch if we don’t figure a way to put it together against the Broncos and Bills… two weaker teams.
"Now I know what your thinking, did he fire six shots or only five. Ive forgotten myself in all this excitement, but being that this is the 44 magnum, the most powerful handgun in the world and could blow your head clean off, you have to ask your question. Do I feel lucky? Well do ya punk!"
Dirty Harry Callahan
I think the talent is there once they put it all together…
Finally we agree. ALL we’ve seen in preseason is plain vanilla.
Coach B has made zero effort to disguise the defensive sets – and he has NOT asked the DL to pressure the QB. No way Houston, Seymour, Kelly and Shaughnessy are giving even close to 100%… probably barely 50%. Why should they? The DL rotation is set, they’re a veteran group with nothing to prove until the games count.
I have posted repeatedly: the man-up coverage is so obvious, DVD should be wearing a sandwich board that says “THROW AT ME.” The intent clearly was to put the DBs under max pressure to see who can really play. To the extent we KNOW that W. McFadden cannot play, the defensive schemes have been a success.
No more guessing, now. We will know the TRUTH about this team next Monday night.
In certain patches of games in the preseason each facet of our game has looked strong.
Today the pass D was a little shakey but the run D was strong this gives me confidence that once we get our full team back we have a good chance of putting it all together.
Totally agree with you in regards to Stanford Routt he has been an absolute class act and even looks like he has taken another step up from his great play last season and is certainly validating the contract Al gave him.
I am still positive about the season but there are certainly clear areas for concern.
"We’re going to be a tough, rugged football team that walks with a swagger and plays the way the Raiders used to play." Hue Jackson
"Just win baby. That’s what Al Davis says and that’s all I want to do. . . . I just want to be the best, and I just want to win." - Terrelle Pryor
I Think It's Just A few Bodies Not Yet On The Roster Or Not Yet Developed...Mostly "D"
“D”:
“OLB”
“CB”?
“S”?
“O”
“RT”/“RG” in one body…
N.O. Cuts Veteran "OT" Loose!!!..Al's Sitting On Some $5 Mil + $3 Mil For What Purpose???
Jordan Black
Free Agent
Offensive Tackle
Ht: 6-5 | Wt: 305
Love this
@taiwanjonesnfl Can’t help but think if I would have caught that pass and scored it would have changed the whole tempo of the game
"We’re going to be a tough, rugged football team that walks with a swagger and plays the way the Raiders used to play." Hue Jackson
"Just win baby. That’s what Al Davis says and that’s all I want to do. . . . I just want to be the best, and I just want to win." - Terrelle Pryor
by Ozraider on Sep 3, 2011 5:11 AM PDT via mobile reply actions
Here are the facts!!! Right now based upon our overall play this preseason...
We are screwed!!! If the Raiders don’t get it together and fast we will have real problems. We have an opportunity to start the season 2-0, we have Denver and Buffalo. Yet, if we play like this no way. I love the Raiders, I have my entire life, so I am only making a point that we must execute to win in this league. Period. I played cornerback, and nothing upsets me more than watching a CB play 8 yards off a receiver in 3rd and long, WTF!!! McFadden has showed me nothing, he has got to go!!! All he has is speed and it takes way more than that to be an effective CB.. You have got to be able to cover you man, the farther you are away from him the harder it is to get yourself in position to defend a pass, its nuts. You have NO positioning at all and the WO has his momentum by the time he gets to you, so you know what happens, you get BEAT!!! That’s what, unless the QB throws a bad pass its a completion… I was really frustrated by the play of my Raiders last year.. Hagan has earned a starting position, he won’t get it because of bullsh-t politics, however, he runs better routes, has better hands and a better chemistry with J-Cam than DHB does.. Hagan-Ford should be the starters when the season starts. I could go on and on, however, I will just say this, we must play better as a team to be successful. Go Raiders!!!
by Rodney Sacramento on Sep 3, 2011 6:52 AM PDT reply actions
I am a little more optimistic
But based on what we have seen thus far I can’t argue with this assessment
"We’re going to be a tough, rugged football team that walks with a swagger and plays the way the Raiders used to play." Hue Jackson
"Just win baby. That’s what Al Davis says and that’s all I want to do. . . . I just want to be the best, and I just want to win." - Terrelle Pryor
by Ozraider on Sep 3, 2011 7:04 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Finally
Finally a Raiders fan that’s not patting his little kid on the back after a bad day at tee-ball. “It’s ok little Johnny, it’s only a game…..it’s only preseason”. If we don’t start 2-0 against those 2 horrible teams, we’re not going to the playoffs. How do I know? Because it will only get harder from there. We would be forced to win-out the division games and hope for some miracles against much harder non-division teams. SD is going to be solid, esp on offense. KC has gotten better since lat year and they looked polished already. Buffalo and Denver are 2 of the top 4 worst teams in the NFL. Anyway, yeah, the defense looks pathetic against teams with any sort of offensive talent whatsoever. Seattle is garbage, but we looked like a Div-II collegiate team against them. I truly think it’s Bresnahan, not so much our players. Hue is an offensive coach, so he’s not able to pick up Bresnahan’s slack. I call Bres being fired by week 3 or 4 after we allow 100+ pts during that span. Our corners look blind half the time. The D-Line looks uninspired and just lost. The LB’s are doing their best, but we really need to hit the waiver wire waiver for some help. I hear Briggs wants out of Chicago Hint Hint. I have a feeling we’ll be ok on offense, once all the starters are in the working together. I’m not sold on Campbell and his slow as molasses delivery and slow progressions. We’ll see…….
by Silver_n_black on Sep 3, 2011 7:17 AM PDT up reply actions
"KC has gotten better since lat year and they looked polished already. "...WHAT???
Come on what have you been smoking??
We may be having some problems with our “D” but they be looking done on both sides of the ball…
………………………………….W….L…..T………Pct……..PF…..PA
Kansas City Chiefs 0 4 0 .000 42 90
Oakland Raiders 0 4 0 .000 44 101
WoW!!…What an assessment: They have scored 2 less points and allowed 11 less points but they be looking improved n “looked polished already”!!!…
Better put down that “Crack Pipe”…Or maybe it’s already too late!!!
Nothing like exposing yourself as a “HateTripper” “Squaw” Pimper!!!…
Watch a game
Then start blowing your hole. I’ve watched KC and they look much more polished with their first string than Oakland. I don’t care about overall points scored. I look at how the first team gels on offense and defense. Don’t be blinded by your passion for your team. You need to learn how to look objectively at the facts.
by Silver_n_black on Sep 3, 2011 8:30 AM PDT up reply actions
The Facts As Everyone Else Reports Or As Your Pimping???
Jason La Canfora
Schedule gets much tougher. Not sure they have that complement for Dwayne Bowe and Matt Cassel hasn’t looked the same since Charlie Weis left.
Prediction: 7-9, third in AFC West
Steve Wyche
Matt Cassel seems poised to continue his progress but we’ll see if this offense overall can overcome some of the stagnation that set it late last season. There is a nice foundation here.
Prediction: 9-7, second in AFC West
Pat Kirwan
Scott Pioli is building a really good team but the schedule starts to toughen up and they could be a better team without a better record.
Prediction: 10-6, second in AFC West
Bucky Brooks
Todd Haley will find it difficult to keep the Chiefs atop the AFC West without Charlie Weis to direct the offense.
Prediction: 7-9, third in AFC West
Elliot Harrison
No playoffs in 2011 for these guys…there’s too much competition around the AFC for those 5th and 6th spots, and the Chiefs just aren’t as good as the Chargers. It starts with Matt Cassel, who still has much to prove.
Prediction: 8-8, second in AFC West
Jason La Canfora
Going to be a tough out within the division again, but will the OL and QB give them what they need to take a step forward?
Prediction: 8-8, second in AFC West
Steve Wyche
The talent is there but putting it all together will continue to be the issue. Coach Hue Jackson has players paying attention to fine detail but this is still a young team in a lot of ways. If they respond well to adversity, we might be talking about Oakland making a playoff run.
Prediction: 7-9, third in AFC West
Pat Kirwan
The Raiders defense beat teams physically last year but overall, they weren’t a good football team. And now, their two best players are gone — Nnamdi Asomugha and Zach Miller.
Prediction: 5-11, fourth in AFC West
Bucky Brooks
Hue Jackson has energized the franchise with his enthusiasm and optimism, but the Raiders’ run defense must improve to fulfill his lofty aspirations.
Prediction: 9-7, second in AFC West
Elliot Harrison
So many people think – and want – this to be a playoff team, but it’s just not likely. Jason Campbell is still the starter at quarterback, and the club lost two of its best players in Zach Miller and Nnamdi Asomugha.
Prediction: 7-9, third in AFC West
I don't know what games you've been watching...
But I’ve watched all of the Chefs preseason games this year and their first team offense looks like doo doo. Defense has looked OK but they’ve been getting gashed by first team offenses. What have you seen that makes them look so much more polished? Cassel only completed about 45% of his passes with a 59.5 QB Rating. I think both teams have some work to do and both will be different teams once the regular season starts when all of the starters are out there for the whole game.
by Kansas Raider on Sep 3, 2011 10:18 AM PDT up reply actions
Think He Pulled That One Our Of His Ass And Than Tried To Justify It...
No one is seeing what he’s trying to pimp…It was just a way to thrash the Raiders with an in division rival being better…
If anybody is going to be better in the division
I hate to say it, but it will be San Diego. Their offense IS polished and having Vincent Jackson back will make them even more dangerous. Trust me, I hope they don’t do good this year, but I am not “blinded by my passion for my team” as Silver_and_Black said. Chefs were lucky last year, which is a part of the game, but I don’t feel that they will be as fortunate this year and will have a much tougher time winning 10 games. 6 or 7 is more realistic.
by Kansas Raider on Sep 3, 2011 10:39 AM PDT up reply actions
My Only Hope Regarding "SD" Is A Slumping "D"...
The loss of their “DC” seems to have hurt…But your right…That “O” will be a force to recon with…We better be up to it by than!!!
yep
the lost one of the best DCs in the NFL and it shows
by RyanTheRaider on Sep 3, 2011 3:59 PM PDT up reply actions
+1
Rodney nailed it. The Seahawk game was a waste of 3 hours of all our lives. That was as about as ugly as it gets. If we don’t get it together and win the first two games of the season, we will not come close to being the team we were last year. You can’t lose your best defensive player and your best receiver over the past three years and not replace them with equal or better talent and expect to be better. I am really hoping we can pick up some players after today’s cut downs. I think the offensive will be OK, but the defense needs help, big time. Don’t let us down Al, go get some players!
Snake belongs in the HOF!
by Tennessee Raider on Sep 3, 2011 8:17 AM PDT up reply actions
Zack Prolley Wouldn't Be The #1 If Still On This Team...Replaced By 4...
Boss
Ausbury
Moore
Hagen
Ford is on the Virge of being our #1…
The last three years Zach Miller has been the
Raiders top receiver, that is a fact. He is a better player than any TE on the Raiders roster. He was replaced by four players? He plays TE. Hagen plays WR. Moore plays WR. Boss is as good a blocker, if not better than Zach, but not as good a receiver. Ashbury is a rookie and needs to develop. We did not replace our previous TE with a TE with equal or better talent. Try to spin it anyway you want, it doesn’t change the facts.
Snake belongs in the HOF!
by Tennessee Raider on Sep 3, 2011 9:37 AM PDT up reply actions
Pre Season
I just don’t buy completely you don’t have to win pre-season games. This one was win-able. The worst trend I see is not getting off the field on Defense. We have see this before. The Raiders have to win the first two games as the next two will be tough. I don’t believe that you just turn on a switch once the season starts. I am concerned.
Concerned Is Apropriate...That's Not Like Throwing In The Towel....
But it’s the reality that some teams will turn it up a notch when the season counts…
Than again is the reality that we have yet to field our entire starting “O” or “D”…Key players on both sides were out…
Worst trend so far is....
not executing in the red zone. Which is concerning because in my view the O-line is improving, we have a very good WR corps, JC is much improved, and we have a very good offensively mind coaching team.
Maybe this due to lack of OTA’s and cohesion but it will be important to start fast this season.
Agreed...And Game Planning Should Help That Red Zone "O" Score...
Out with the vanilla game plans and in with the imagination that we all know is lurking in the back of Hue-n-Sanders’ minds…Than having Boss n Ausbury down there along with “D-Mac” n Bush…“TJ” too…Variety of options in Ford/Murphy/Chaz/DHB/Hagen/Moore/Reece…This could be very exciting to view…
How about having all of the starters avaiable
Then if we will suck I’ll freak out. Til then I am reserving judgment.
Hey Noon, did you attend the Hue Jackson presser?
What are your impressions?
It was short. He was in and out.
Seemed more tired when I saw him at camp. It was pretty much typical Jackson, and he was calm. And it was either just being a little more tired, or he doesn’t have quite the same confidence as he did.
Eventually, all things merge into one, and a river runs through it.
by Rich Langford on Sep 3, 2011 8:36 AM PDT up reply actions
No. It was the same stock answers. He fielded very few questions and was out
Said they would get to work, disappointed in preseason but that they’d be better in the regular season etc and that he had some tough choices coming up on cuts.
In short, he offered up no answers. The stay the course schtick could wear thin quickly if things don’t look better next week!
Eventually, all things merge into one, and a river runs through it.
by Rich Langford on Sep 3, 2011 2:49 PM PDT up reply actions
He did say that he wasn't happy with the offense
and that’s why he left them out there. He wanted them to produce. Not necessarily with points, but in terms of executing the offense.
Eventually, all things merge into one, and a river runs through it.
by Rich Langford on Sep 3, 2011 2:50 PM PDT up reply actions
For all the talk
about how great our new offense is, they don’t seem to be putting up a lot of points… If I’m not mistaken, 17 against the Saints, 0 against the 49ers, 3 against the Seahawks in essentially 6 quarters of play.
All the talk about being able to win shootouts and outscoring our opponents is looking less and less realistic. It’s somewhat sobering seeing our first team offense struggle to score a field goal against the Seahawks back ups in a half of football.
Or we can just continue writing off results in the preseason and believe that this team will miraculously become a 11-5 playoff team in the next 9 days.
Getting those guys back
Takes Bush, Hagen, and Moore off the field. Having 5 receivers is only important if you’re going 4-5 wide, which the Raiders hardly ever do. In preseason, the Bush/TJones combo was fine in my opinion. Hell, I’d even be open to trading DMac if it got us Briggs + a mid round pick
Boss
Is a decent piece, not someone who is going consistently impact the passing game
He's a scoring machine
because Eli Manning is a better QB than Jason Campbell. Last year they each had 5 TD’s. The year before with Russell/Grads, Miller still had 3 TD’s to Boss’s 5 with Eli Manning. Boss is an upgrade in the blocking game, but as a receiver, he’s no Zach Miller.
That's A Really Funny Breakdown To Say The Least...
Are you aware that Boss was consistently the 5th receiver on their team?..If your not regularly targeted your not going to put up the #‘s…But now on our team he will be targeted much more frequently and I will wager will have better #’s than Zack did…Want to wager?
Catches, Yards, TD's, First Downs?
Miller’s line was 60/685/5/36 in 15 games last year. There’s no way Boss was a 5th option for the Giants last year, especially with the injuries they had to WR’s.
By how much....
2010 NY Giants 16 85.3 339 539 62.9 4002 250.1 7.4 31 25
2010 Oakland 13 84.5 194 329 59.0 2387 183.6 7.3 13 8
Sorry, let me clarify
Eli Manning throws for more yards and more touchdowns than Camp. I thought he was a little better ratings wise, but I guess those INT’s killed him. 31 TDs and 5 to Boss is a lot different than 13 TDs and 5 to Miller.
We can argue all day
but I don’t think either of us will budge. Let’s hope Boss stays healthy all year and it gets settled on the field!
Hmm
If the Raiders new offense has as many weapons as everyone seems to think Boss may still be the #5 receiver.
by Canadian Raider on Sep 4, 2011 2:27 PM PDT up reply actions
JC missed a few games then it took him a few games to get in a groove.
I am not claiming JC is better than Eli although you are. 25 int’s really 25 is some how ok….
Huh?
My original claim was Eli was better than JC. I think over their careers Eli has been better. Last year I guess it was a wash. My argument was that Miller was a better scoring threat because he was able to score 5/13 of our passing TD’s compared to Boss’s 5/31 of the Giants
Thats a weak argument
The Raiders didn’t have a receiving corps until Ford started to emerge in a RUN FIRST offense
A weak argument for Miller or Manning
Miller putting up those numbers in a run first offense is pretty impressive.
Both truly
Miller was JC’ pacifier… Boss provides more than Miller does… IMO
ELI says he’s as good a Tom Brady numbers say otherwise. Eli had a better WR corps than did JC. If you ever read what I right I’m not a huge fan of JC but they are Apples and Oranges that’s what make the comparison so weak.
Eli is a more of pass first QB in a passing offense with multi WR formations
JC is a possession QB in a don’t screw it up offense where the run is first with the play action option
Bradshaw was a dump off option
and Smith had the same amount of yards as Boss. Hell, depending on targets, they could be close.. with Smith having a higher completion %.
I understand that
But less opportunities could also be the result of being a lesser receiver. We could try to argue that DHB would have more yards if he was utilized more, but that doesn’t make him a better receiver than Hakeem Nicks.
Sometimes low #‘s of targets or catches is due to not being open, not catching balls, or not separating. It’s impossible for any of us to know the case with Miller/Boss until we get into the season. My opinion though, is that Miller did a great job for us the last few years of getting open, especially on 3rd down plays.
Fare Enough But Eli Wanted Him Back!!
Said he was his reliable target in the Red Zone..Someone he could depend on…
JC wanted Miller back too
Most of us wanted Miller back as well! Wish we kept him instead of Huff and used that money to find someone in the secondary who could cover.
Have You Heard Any Complaints About Miller Being Gone Lately???
They love Ausbury and have big plans for Boss…
They aren't going to complain about it
That would be a slap in the face to Boss. If Hue came out and said, well we think Boss is OK but we really whiffed on the Zach Miller thing, that would be terrible PR and horrible in the locker room.
They are always going to talk up the guys on the roster, especially in pre-season and training camp. They’re still trying to make everyone believe that DHB is “coming around” and that he’s looking great in practice.
Add penalty magnate to decoy ... his curriculum viatae grows each year
S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
"I made a trade for Seymour. ..I thought it was a great trade. Still do. [Al Davis 1/2011]
"I love to win, even against my daughters, I want to win" Hue "Action" Jackson 8/19/11
by Sons-of-Blanda on Sep 3, 2011 10:08 AM PDT up reply actions
All He Has To Do Is Run Past A "DB" And Get Grabed...
Do that 3-4 times a game and his productions great!!!
DHB is a good kid who works hard
He contributes in many areas that don’t always show up on the stat sheet.
Boss's ESPN Projections
http://games.espn.go.com/ffl/tools/projections?display=alt&&slotCategoryId=6&startIndex=15
pretty similar to what he had last season. I know, it’s ESPN so its not going to be taken seriously, but just posting anyway
You would have traded Miller
for Boss, straight up? Not looking at cap numbers, outside factors, etc.
We didnt have too F/A aren't traded
Got Boss for 3 mil less I would have went after Boss… Miller was offered a contract and went to the Seahags… Last year I would have traded yes…
I am compelled to think that Ausberry is likely the one in focus for the future
It’s Boss’s job for the next couple of years while Ausberry trains well. Ausberry seems to fit Hue’s definition of bully the best. Myers might eventually become 3rd string, and Gordon will be either cut or placed on the practice squad.
Also Not Every "O" Is Designed To Utilize Their "TE"s The Same...
Hue n company will use their “TE” allot more the the Giants do…
Yes We Will...Be On Our Way To That End!!...3-0 @ Home -vs- "NE"...
Write it down…mark my words…
No 6 quarters…Not one single tick with our starting “O”…
Listening to this game...
In the pacific northwest last night, I began to think about saving my money for a Raiders Andrew Luck jersey…
Who would trade for Tebow?
"Skipper, we're losing the crowd. Put it our new novelty act."
"Darn it! I already put in the circus clown!"
"Yeah, but he bunted. Clowns are only funny when they swing away!"
We should also keep in mind
KC and Atlanta also went 0-4 in this preseason,
"We’re going to be a tough, rugged football team that walks with a swagger and plays the way the Raiders used to play." Hue Jackson
"Just win baby. That’s what Al Davis says and that’s all I want to do. . . . I just want to be the best, and I just want to win." - Terrelle Pryor
by Ozraider on Sep 3, 2011 8:43 AM PDT via mobile reply actions
As Seymore said, there is rust we have to knock off.
Hue’s job has been formidable this preseason because he has had a tremendous amount to do in so little time after the lockout. We have brought in so many young faces and to look at so many in so little time meant doing overtime work in trimming the roster, and I believe Hue’s hands were full more so than other HCs. Even with our first stringers he had mixed in a lot of the second string, etc. I believe that after the filtering is done we will have a solid first team. My concern is with the backups and 3rd stringers of which were mainly garbage with the exception of the o-line. The backup cbs have a lot of work to do along with linebacking. I believe that as the rust falls off and our rookies continue to get seasoned, we will still look better as the season progresses. I don’t think we are as yet fully prepared for the season opener, so it’s a good thing we begin with Denver and Buffalo. I think that as we continue with the draft, we will start to draft for depth, something you just can’t do overnight. Our first team will be competitive when it is all one unit, and I expect to win games. GO RAIDERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Agree entirely....
but that is also why talk of sweeping the division again and play-offs is premature. I’m not saying it can’t happen I just don’t think we have the depth.
What is encouraging is that we now IMHO have had two very good drafts with this draft possibly being better than last years ( I see Wiz, Barksdale, Moore, Ausberry and DVD making contributions this year). However I still think we are one more draft away from being competitive on a regular basis.
True..Or A Trade -n- A "FA"
What would you sat to packaging next year’s picks for a player who helps us win this season???
We don’t have a 2,3,4 but we do have our 1st,5th n 6th and possible 3rds as compensation…
Or we trade picks from the 2013 draft as we have done in the past to get Seymour…
What would that Bears “LB” be worth???
I don't think you can keep mortgaging the future....
and I don’t think we will be lucky enough to find the sort of player we found as a result of the Seymore trade. If we could add a decent OLB for one of our third rounders it would be worthwhile.
Well A Pick Spent Now Helps Now And A Vet Starts Imeadiately....
That 2012 pick has to develop over time before he’s an asset to this team and does nothing for us this season…
What if we find a comparable Von Miller in the draft?
Miller has been starting and playing well from the start. The chances of acquiring a Miller are slim, but it is possible.
or DE to LB converts
S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
"I made a trade for Seymour. ..I thought it was a great trade. Still do. [Al Davis 1/2011]
"I love to win, even against my daughters, I want to win" Hue "Action" Jackson 8/19/11
by Sons-of-Blanda on Sep 3, 2011 5:59 PM PDT up reply actions
another one
Aaron Wilson of the Carroll County Times reports that the Baltimore Ravens tried to trade linebacker Tavares Gooden to the San Francisco 49ers, but were unable to make a deal and will release the veteran. He adds that the 49ers and New York Jets are possible destinations. Adam Caplan of Sirius/XM satellite radio suggests the Buffalo Bills as a possibility.
- Vince Verhei
How much future did we morgage with the drafting of JaMarcus???
The point is we have a sure thing in Lance Briggs and an unknown in a future number 1 draft pick. Briggs is a Seymour type of leader and a player that would have a huge impact at our position of greatest need.
That sounds like “the” future to me, not a mortgaging of it.
"Now I know what your thinking, did he fire six shots or only five. Ive forgotten myself in all this excitement, but being that this is the 44 magnum, the most powerful handgun in the world and could blow your head clean off, you have to ask your question. Do I feel lucky? Well do ya punk!"
Dirty Harry Callahan
one on the market soon
“I’ve confirmed outside linebacker Xavier Adibi will be released, which is a surprise. The Texans are going younger at the spot, which could mean good things for undrafted Bryan Braman. He is raw and probably best suited for the practice squad, but may have done too much to risk cutting first.”
I think sweeping the division is not realistic and we do have much to go in the draft and seasoning of players.
However, I think 9-7 is quite achievable. To win the division we need to achieve a 10-6, which is tough but still possible. I think that as the season progresses you will see our rookies and 2nd year players continue a surprising upward progression as is being exhibited by our o-line. All we need is a solid backup for CJ and DVD does hold some promise. I expect DVD to continue to improve as the season continues. Our 2nd year players are going to be fantastic this year. I have a lot of faith in the Raiders, and what I have said is not unrealistic.
Here are my preseason thoughts
I really don’t care if the Raiders did win a game or not to be honest. PS is about evaluating talent, and developing the youngsters. This year the camp was much shorter due to the lockout, so I expected some serious sloppiness. But I expected that from all the teams, and didn’t see it from the good teams which means the Raiders have maturing to do (understandably, the Raiders are young).
Positives: passing game looks improved. Campbell looks like he is ready to take another step in his professional progress. There are some young WRs doing well, and some who are still not (DHB and Chaz for being hurt yet again). The O line looks better than I expected! Only one major injury is a plus, especially since it was a backup safety.
Negatives: Defense… Wow where do I start. Passing game looks to have taken a step backwards without Nnamdi. Routt looks like he can handle the assignment, but appears to be the only one out there with that ability. the other corners don’t make plays on the ball, and don’t tackle well either. The safeties are OK, but not great coverage guys, and the OLBs continue to struggle in the passing defense.
Overall I didn’t see a jump to the next level for this team. 7-9 to 9-7 seems realistic so long as they fix some details of the game, such as not getting TDs when in the redzone, and not being able to stop other teams passing games.
Any secondary that loses one of the best corners in the league is going to suffer....
however I think Routt is underrated and so is CJ (who at 31 is only a year older than Nmamdi). What is clear is that there is a lack of depth there. Who knows maybe Lito Sheppard has something left to offer?
Hopefully we get lucky today and an some good OLB's and some solid backup defenders become available.
Quentin Groves didn’t look so good again last night. Missed tackles and a lack of recognition. As a unit, 1st team, 2nd team, and 3rd team defenses looked lousy. Hopefully they can make the adjustments, add an olb, and hope that Seymour and CJ make them better. I don’t want to see a defensive showing like in last years opener.
They probably nod off when he starts repeating the bully mantra.
Common occurrence in classrooms.
by Spirals galore on Sep 3, 2011 10:21 AM PDT up reply actions
JC on how the team looked
"I felt good. I thought the offensive line did a great job protecting us. Once again I don’t think I got touched. I was able to make rhythm passes and get the ball out quickly, so we just got to learn to finish drives. Like I said, again, penalties. Penalties put us in a third-and-long situation in one drive and that other drive we’ve got to finish. Coach, he wants us [first string] to play a little bit more once we the game got going, there are things you do that build more chemistry, you want to keep playing a little bit longer. There have been times where we haven’t had the ball that much. He just wanted to get more passes in there."
Couldn’t find a non-Gulls link to that interview.
Tragicomedy
http://www.mercurynews.com/breaking-news/ci_18818626
The final 2011 tally after 16 quarters of football that doesn’t count:
Opponents 101, Future Bullies 44
Punt and Kickoff STs were markedly pathetic. Hue, at one point, reprimanded Fassel who looked appalled
S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
"I made a trade for Seymour. ..I thought it was a great trade. Still do. [Al Davis 1/2011]
"I love to win, even against my daughters, I want to win" Hue "Action" Jackson 8/19/11
was Fassel apalled at his units play
or at the reprimand from Hue? It better be the latter.
"Now I know what your thinking, did he fire six shots or only five. Ive forgotten myself in all this excitement, but being that this is the 44 magnum, the most powerful handgun in the world and could blow your head clean off, you have to ask your question. Do I feel lucky? Well do ya punk!"
Dirty Harry Callahan
At ~ 9 minutes left in the 2nd Qtr, Wille Brown comes over to talk with Hue and Jackson goes wild. Wish I had a transcript
S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
"I made a trade for Seymour. ..I thought it was a great trade. Still do. [Al Davis 1/2011]
"I love to win, even against my daughters, I want to win" Hue "Action" Jackson 8/19/11
by Sons-of-Blanda on Sep 3, 2011 10:06 AM PDT up reply actions
The area the team looks most unlike Raider greats:
linebackers and secondary. Instead of teams fearing coming over the middle, they have a field day on us in short and intermediate passing underneath, and ripping off runs for the same areas on the field.
"tough times call for perseverance and a tough mind. I have been told that I can't play football before. We all know what happened with that. #neverquit"--Mark Herzlich
""The massive Raider Nation is beyond doubt the sleaziest and rudest and most sinister mob of thugs and wackos ever assembled."--Hunter S. Thompson
It seems like the Defense doesn't want to come off the field.
But man to man is weak against crossing routes. The Offense moves the ball only to kick field goals. From what I have seen I don’t see a team that can go .500. Not because of talent but because we don’t do the thing to win game like get off the field on 3rd down and score touchdowns
Waffle's DL was the only positive, well Branch and Shephard were good too
S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
"I made a trade for Seymour. ..I thought it was a great trade. Still do. [Al Davis 1/2011]
"I love to win, even against my daughters, I want to win" Hue "Action" Jackson 8/19/11
by Sons-of-Blanda on Sep 3, 2011 10:20 AM PDT up reply actions
and Routt too
S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
"I made a trade for Seymour. ..I thought it was a great trade. Still do. [Al Davis 1/2011]
"I love to win, even against my daughters, I want to win" Hue "Action" Jackson 8/19/11
by Sons-of-Blanda on Sep 3, 2011 10:23 AM PDT up reply actions
We need
to get more pressure on opposing QB’s, period. Whether the present defensive players are capable of doing so or whether someone is grabbed over the next few days, it has simply got to be done.
The Raiders were tied for 3rd with San Diego in sacks
Packers and the Steelers were 1 and 2 They both went to the Super Bowl Dline is the same + we might have Trevor Scott for the season.
He'll be gone today at 1:00pm
"Now I know what your thinking, did he fire six shots or only five. Ive forgotten myself in all this excitement, but being that this is the 44 magnum, the most powerful handgun in the world and could blow your head clean off, you have to ask your question. Do I feel lucky? Well do ya punk!"
Dirty Harry Callahan
Actually both he and Miller wil be gone today at 1:00pm
"Now I know what your thinking, did he fire six shots or only five. Ive forgotten myself in all this excitement, but being that this is the 44 magnum, the most powerful handgun in the world and could blow your head clean off, you have to ask your question. Do I feel lucky? Well do ya punk!"
Dirty Harry Callahan
He ha s a TV that should keep him employed
If he loved punting as much as he loved himself he might be a better punter…
The only positive I can take from all of it
it will make it a long ten days before the opener in Denver Monday night. Ten days to get the roster right, ten days to stew on how poorly the team has played in preseason, and ten days to build a bully we have yet to see this year.
"tough times call for perseverance and a tough mind. I have been told that I can't play football before. We all know what happened with that. #neverquit"--Mark Herzlich
""The massive Raider Nation is beyond doubt the sleaziest and rudest and most sinister mob of thugs and wackos ever assembled."--Hunter S. Thompson
If only there were 48 hours instead of 24:)
by Spirals galore on Sep 3, 2011 10:20 AM PDT up reply actions
Even if there were 48 hours, Jack Bauer would neither eat nor sleep
S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
"I made a trade for Seymour. ..I thought it was a great trade. Still do. [Al Davis 1/2011]
"I love to win, even against my daughters, I want to win" Hue "Action" Jackson 8/19/11
by Sons-of-Blanda on Sep 3, 2011 10:21 AM PDT up reply actions
Everybody is freaking out....
Still haven’t figured it all out… I’m not freaking out and I’ve been really calm about the whole thing.
We still have a lot to prove you always do from Week 1 on through Week 17 winning in the preseason often means you played too many of your starters too long. Too many teams go 4-0 than suck in the season. I would rather suck in the preseason and play better in the season.
I’m waiting for cuts and roster adjustments to freak out LOL
I second that notion
Let’s see how the regular season plays out before we all go jump off that bridge…
by Kansas Raider on Sep 3, 2011 10:42 AM PDT up reply actions
Time To Pick A Player's Mind...Bring Him In For Our 1st Week's Preperations!!!
Broncos | Perrish Cox waived
Sat, 03 Sep 2011 10:32:39 -0700
The Denver Broncos have waived CB Perrish Cox. He struggled throughout training camp and the preseason, while also having some off-the-field issues late last year. Cox started nine games for the Broncos last year in his rookie season.
He's facing a possible suspension for an indefinite amount of time.
Trust No One
Studies show stress can kill you, but don't worry about it.
by TAW on Sep 3, 2011 1:03 PM PDT up reply actions
Kcs Tony moeaki starting on ir.
by RaiderKilluminati on Sep 3, 2011 11:32 AM PDT via mobile reply actions
It ain’t the reg season yet but u remember reading articles saying our d would be better with nnamdi gone. So far their dead wrong.
by RaiderKilluminati on Sep 3, 2011 11:35 AM PDT via mobile reply actions
So everyone except murph and maybe mm34 will be ready for the donkeys? Even glass schilens?
by RaiderKilluminati on Sep 3, 2011 11:39 AM PDT via mobile reply actions
Here is my thoughts
The FIRST TEAM defense only gave up 3 points, and did very well containing the run. only SCREEN PASSES killed them, and all were on grove’s side. When we get Seymour, Chris Johnson in that, the defense should be much better off.
On the first team offense, things were a tad frustrating. Runs were not getting much yards, and we couldn’t complete much deep throws. Our starters were DHB and moore…. or ford? I can’t remember, it must have been moore because I have only seen Ford in for one series. I doubt those are our starters week 1. Imo I think Hue was trying out those two at WR. Hell, he already knows Hagan and Ford can play.
When our offense debuts against the donkeys, we’ll have: McFadden back, Kevin Boss, Schilens (supposedly), Ford will play the whole game, Ausberry, Hagan will be in our starting 3 WRs. Point is, we’ll have much more offensive weapons come game time against the donkeys.
This was the 4th preseason game. This game is only about evaluating the players, seeing what they ca do in certain situations, etc. I can tell the Hue was angry a lot, and when your players aren’t playing the way you expected it gets frustrating. But hey again, its only preseason. The regular season is a different monster. One with much more focus, a lot of gameplanning, and much more intensity. IF we lose to the donkeys I’ll be surprised, and than maybe worried, but I’ll wait till they’re well into the season to start judging them.
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
Not persuasive enough for me
only SCREEN PASSES killed them, and all were on grove’s side. When we get Seymour, Chris Johnson in that, the defense should be much better off.
How will this mask our WLB play?
I’ll wait till they’re well into the season to start judging them.
If Seattle was only, as you say,
This game is only about evaluating the players
then are we not to be judging players? Also, shouldn’t many of those assessments already been made in earlier games? I saw a number of players who will certainly be cut taking reps away from 2nd and 3rd (there will be 6) stringers who would have benefited from those reps.
S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
"I made a trade for Seymour. ..I thought it was a great trade. Still do. [Al Davis 1/2011]
"I love to win, even against my daughters, I want to win" Hue "Action" Jackson 8/19/11
by Sons-of-Blanda on Sep 3, 2011 12:36 PM PDT up reply actions
How will this mask our WLB play?
It doesn’t It just shows they are attacking our weakness. However, when Seymour is back, I can safely say he would read those screen passes and roll out to that side.
If Seattle was only, as you say,
Seattles backups beat our backups. We played without a gameplan, and the regular season is a much different beast than the 4th preseason game.
then are we not to be judging players? Also, shouldn’t many of those assessments already been made in earlier games? I saw a number of players who will certainly be cut taking reps away from 2nd and 3rd (there will be 6) stringers who would have benefited from those reps.
They make assessments over 4 preseason games, not one or two. If a player has a bad 2 games, but comes up in the 3rd game, wouldn’t the coach want to see him in the 4th game? Barnes did pretty damn well against the saints I recall, so Hue let Barnes start in the 4th preseason game to see what he can do.
Are you judging this like its the regular season? I have said this ever since our first preseason game, that we should NOT over-react about our playing! Its just about evaluating players over a 4 preseason game format. Its not one and done evaluating. Hell, without much of a camp, I don’t think looking at a player through one game would be fair.
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
I am evaluating the performance of individuale athletes, yes, and the guys cut today were evaluated through 3 previous games (not 1 as you stated) and they were taking reps from players who actually were on the bubble
bq/ Are you judging this like its the regular season? I have said this ever since our first preseason game, that we should NOT over-react about our playing! Its just about evaluating players over a 4 preseason game format. Its not one and done evaluating. Hell, without much of a camp, I don’t think looking at a player through one game would be fair.
S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
"I made a trade for Seymour. ..I thought it was a great trade. Still do. [Al Davis 1/2011]
"I love to win, even against my daughters, I want to win" Hue "Action" Jackson 8/19/11
by Sons-of-Blanda on Sep 3, 2011 5:29 PM PDT up reply actions
And thats what Im saying.
You evaluate players on an extended amount of time, and NOT just through 1 preseason game. Thats all it is, evaluation. Its not about winning, its about who we have. Sure, players can try and win, but thats not what preseason is about. The regular season, now that is about winning. We should not panic on this team now. Way too early. Wait until we see what our guys can do in the regular season.
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
Are you insane? Who mentioned anything here about winning? What I said, and will say again for your benefit,
is that preseason games are primarily to evaluate players and that after 3 games those assessments should have already been made and (all but a few close cases) determined. Then I said that the final game might be better used to give the know 2nd and 3rd stringers playing time instead of wasting those reps on players who had already been consigned to the ax.
S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
"I made a trade for Seymour. ..I thought it was a great trade. Still do. [Al Davis 1/2011]
"I love to win, even against my daughters, I want to win" Hue "Action" Jackson 8/19/11
by Sons-of-Blanda on Sep 3, 2011 6:03 PM PDT up reply actions
Golden Tate was about to be cut, but he may have saved himself.
In the 4th preseason game, we give to guys who may get the axe, because they would like to see how they do with their job on the line. Plus, there may be players they want to see signed on the practice squad but we wouldn’t know until they actually played right?
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
As I noted, in a few close cases, i.e. players on the bubble, should be given a final opportunity for evaluation
and final determination. Tate was such a case.
You still haven’t explained how the presence of Seymour and CJ are going to mask Groves play as you originally stated …. before creating straw men to knock down and drawing red herrings over your tracks.
S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
"I made a trade for Seymour. ..I thought it was a great trade. Still do. [Al Davis 1/2011]
"I love to win, even against my daughters, I want to win" Hue "Action" Jackson 8/19/11
by Sons-of-Blanda on Sep 3, 2011 6:20 PM PDT up reply actions
Seymour is basically our playcaller on the DL. If he thinks a screen pass will happen, he'll let the other guys know to pay attention to the RB.
If anything, maybe seymour will see it himself, and go out to make a play. Also, he’ll help the DL push the OL even more, so maybe they won’t be able to get the screen off in time.
CJ>DVD
CJ will help because he is a solid #2. Not great, but solid, and he is a better option at #2 than any pf the other guys we have. How that helps against the screen pass? Well he is fast, tough, and have better awareness than DVD.
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
If anything, the upgrade of the two will only make Groves' deficiencies all more apparent
In fact, if you watched the NO game, Brees immediately attacked the weakest players on the field, DvD and Groves, then wMcFadden, and ruthlessly shredded our flanks and secondary. So, all you did was say that CJ is better than DvD and Seymour is better than Bryant. You did not yet explain or support your original claim that CJ’s and Seymour’s presence will mask Groves play. In fact, I believe Groves will stand out even more when he is the target to be exploited by even the weaker DC’s and QB’s we face.
S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
"I made a trade for Seymour. ..I thought it was a great trade. Still do. [Al Davis 1/2011]
"I love to win, even against my daughters, I want to win" Hue "Action" Jackson 8/19/11
by Sons-of-Blanda on Sep 3, 2011 7:57 PM PDT up reply actions
I didnt ay anything about masking grove's play.
I was talking about limiting those screen passes.
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
Seymour's penetration will increase QBs tendency to throw the screen
S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
"I made a trade for Seymour. ..I thought it was a great trade. Still do. [Al Davis 1/2011]
"I love to win, even against my daughters, I want to win" Hue "Action" Jackson 8/19/11
by Sons-of-Blanda on Sep 4, 2011 4:11 AM PDT up reply actions
Maybe With Better Penitration By The "DL" Grove Will Be Aloowed To Stay Home more Often...
Just a thought…
to what effect? Oh, to showcase his wretchedness
S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
"I made a trade for Seymour. ..I thought it was a great trade. Still do. [Al Davis 1/2011]
"I love to win, even against my daughters, I want to win" Hue "Action" Jackson 8/19/11
by Sons-of-Blanda on Sep 4, 2011 10:05 AM PDT up reply actions
In that case
The QB will have less time for the screen to DEVELOP. Its doesn’t just happen in a split second. And like I said, Ro, and Seymour can have a spy on the RB to see what they are doing.
Also, for the whole preseason, I only saw preseason 4 as screen passes killing us. I honestly don’t see screens as A LOT of the problem come regular season. I am still nervous about the random 50+ yard run more than anything.
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
And here are my thoughts
Hue’s approach to the team is very similar to that of any new and unexperienced teacher. You have a solid vision about what you want your students/players to achieve. You see people nodding when you speak, and you think they are on the same page with you, but you come to discover later that nodding is a trick (like sleeping with your eyes open and attentive). Then you get mad, and suddenly there is a rift in the classroom dynamics.
I also now have problem with this bully concept.I don’t think we have many bully players on the team. I don’t think Hue is a bully either. The whole metaphor is faulty and in need of replacement.
by Spirals galore on Sep 3, 2011 12:40 PM PDT up reply actions
Agree with the first two sentences but not the third. Bully's are mean and our guys are mostly sweathearts. But, it's too late to change b/c it's been published extensively and would cause gross embarrassment and ridicule
I also now have problem with this bully concept.I don’t think we have many bully players on the team. I don’t think Hue is a bully either. The whole metaphor is faulty and in need of replacement.
S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
"I made a trade for Seymour. ..I thought it was a great trade. Still do. [Al Davis 1/2011]
"I love to win, even against my daughters, I want to win" Hue "Action" Jackson 8/19/11
by Sons-of-Blanda on Sep 3, 2011 12:52 PM PDT up reply actions
+ 1 Spirals
The whole building a bully concept made me roll my eyes when he said it the first time and the fact he continues to use it makes me think he is more talk than anything. We don’t have a lot of bullies so to speak on this team. For example, Tommy Kelly is very talented and seems to be a student of the game. His position however asks for pure brute strength and nastiness much like how Seymour plays. However I like Kelly and don’t want him gone anymore I still think the metaphor is poorly used as well..
Trust No One
Studies show stress can kill you, but don't worry about it.
Yes, especially now that lawsuits against bullies in the workplace are getting notoriety
I was at first taken by the metaphor though.
by Spirals galore on Sep 3, 2011 12:56 PM PDT up reply actions
i love the metaphor and hope over time it will become real
However I expected the bully to be built right away, where maybe a true bully takes more than the first year to create. Idk when I hear bully I think of the kid stealing another kid’s milk money, I think maybe it will take success over a longer period of time than I hoped/initially thought before we can make other teams feel like we stole their milk money? I’m not against using the metaphor is a tool for the next couple years, but I will have to agree I have lost a lot of faith for it to be implemented this year.
"We want to win. The Raider fans deserve it. The Raider players deserve it, even my organization deserves it. You have to win and you have to win with a vision for the Super Bowl. That's our passion here."--Al Davis
"Winning isn't everything, but wanting to win is."--Vince Lombardi
by Marcus Allen Krause on Sep 3, 2011 1:45 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
No, I really think it's the wrong metaphor.
And that’s why the players aren’t buying it. Stabler was not a bully, he was a knight. And even Ted Hedricks was not a bully, he was a honorable soldier out to punish those who dishonored him.
by Spirals galore on Sep 3, 2011 1:49 PM PDT up reply actions
Lyle Alzado was a bully as was theTuz and Gene Upshaw as well as
Art Shell. The bully concept may not work in the normal work place, but this is the NFL where it’s your job to push people around especially on the lines which was where this concept was first used as a metaphor for the offensive linemen. So in this genre it works as a concept even if (as Blanda says)" we have a bunch of sweat hearts"
"Now I know what your thinking, did he fire six shots or only five. Ive forgotten myself in all this excitement, but being that this is the 44 magnum, the most powerful handgun in the world and could blow your head clean off, you have to ask your question. Do I feel lucky? Well do ya punk!"
Dirty Harry Callahan
That's not bully, that's warrior
Achilles – not a bully, but a killer.
by Spirals galore on Sep 3, 2011 2:18 PM PDT up reply actions
Bullies are cowards.
Soldiers are not.
by Spirals galore on Sep 3, 2011 2:20 PM PDT up reply actions
All right, I'm in
the Raiders need to build a Warrior team instead of a bully. We need to do vicious deeds in the name of victory even though we may not be vicious men normally. What ever gets this bunch of sweet hearts to play like men possessed and focused on the task at hand (winning) is OK with me, no matter what it is called.
"Now I know what your thinking, did he fire six shots or only five. Ive forgotten myself in all this excitement, but being that this is the 44 magnum, the most powerful handgun in the world and could blow your head clean off, you have to ask your question. Do I feel lucky? Well do ya punk!"
Dirty Harry Callahan
Oh man, "sweathearts" well, it amounts to the same thing - we have a roster of mostly excellent athletes who
are not vicious, mean-spirited, or anything like a bully. Hell, they probably beat the shit out of bullies when they were in school for the very fact they were bullies. The concept is distorted, an abortion ill conceived that stems, I suspect, from a sick admiration for abusers. A better metaphor would be ruthless savages or swaggering brigands or something romantically engaging.
S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
"I made a trade for Seymour. ..I thought it was a great trade. Still do. [Al Davis 1/2011]
"I love to win, even against my daughters, I want to win" Hue "Action" Jackson 8/19/11
by Sons-of-Blanda on Sep 3, 2011 2:37 PM PDT up reply actions
Pirates were no bullies
Raiders are Pirates – a noble breed.
by Spirals galore on Sep 3, 2011 2:45 PM PDT up reply actions
I Love Pirates...But Pirates Were Definitely Bullies Willing To Take Much More Than Your Milk $$$!!!
Perhaps a Bully is an “O” that pushes you off the line so our "RB"s can damage you…
Any team that scores more points than is necessary to win is, accoding to Chief HC Haley is a Bully
S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
"I made a trade for Seymour. ..I thought it was a great trade. Still do. [Al Davis 1/2011]
"I love to win, even against my daughters, I want to win" Hue "Action" Jackson 8/19/11
by Sons-of-Blanda on Sep 3, 2011 7:59 PM PDT up reply actions
Pirates were much more than bullies
they killed in the name of profit. There was no romantic or heroic tilt at all. Pirates killed you and took your money, end of story!
"Now I know what your thinking, did he fire six shots or only five. Ive forgotten myself in all this excitement, but being that this is the 44 magnum, the most powerful handgun in the world and could blow your head clean off, you have to ask your question. Do I feel lucky? Well do ya punk!"
Dirty Harry Callahan
Not Captain Blood - and he's a pirate!
OK, the privateers.
by Spirals galore on Sep 3, 2011 9:51 PM PDT up reply actions
So
You wouldn’t consider Seymour, Kelly, Houston, shaughnessy, death Ro, Mitchell, tyvon, wiz, bush, hulk Campbell, Joe Bark etc as guys who fit the bully model?
"We’re going to be a tough, rugged football team that walks with a swagger and plays the way the Raiders used to play." Hue Jackson
"Just win baby. That’s what Al Davis says and that’s all I want to do. . . . I just want to be the best, and I just want to win." - Terrelle Pryor
by Ozraider on Sep 3, 2011 5:03 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
No I most certainly would not. Those gentlemen are honorable warriors, tough hardened fighters
there is nothing remotely suggesting that they are, or have ever been, bullies.
S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
"I made a trade for Seymour. ..I thought it was a great trade. Still do. [Al Davis 1/2011]
"I love to win, even against my daughters, I want to win" Hue "Action" Jackson 8/19/11
by Sons-of-Blanda on Sep 3, 2011 5:32 PM PDT up reply actions
i think you are getting too wrapped up in semantics
"We’re going to be a tough, rugged football team that walks with a swagger and plays the way the Raiders used to play." Hue Jackson
"Just win baby. That’s what Al Davis says and that’s all I want to do. . . . I just want to be the best, and I just want to win." - Terrelle Pryor
No.
“Bully” is someone who abuses the weaker and who doesn’t stand up to the stronger. It’s just a botched metaphor.
by Spirals galore on Sep 3, 2011 8:29 PM PDT up reply actions
I remember the Oakland Tribune quoting the Oakland Hells Angels as being romantic
Does that make the Raiders a bunch of Hells Angels? Or are they just punking out?
Ah, an instance of the fallacy of composition
You have transferred a characteristic of part of the Hell’s Angels onto the whole and then transferred the whole character of the Hell’s Angels onto the Raiders.
You are to be watched carefully.
S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
"I made a trade for Seymour. ..I thought it was a great trade. Still do. [Al Davis 1/2011]
"I love to win, even against my daughters, I want to win" Hue "Action" Jackson 8/19/11
by Sons-of-Blanda on Sep 3, 2011 5:41 PM PDT up reply actions
Cave Man Romatics???...
OakTown Has Had It’s Tough Sides Documented Threw Time….
Raiders
Hells Angles
Black Panthers
While across the bay: HaHa!!
Flower Children
Gay
I think it's more in reference to great teams of Raiders' past. The bully needn't refer to individuals that make up the bully
it means what we have come to learn about Raiders football: the exertion of our will upon opponents regardless of the defensive ranking. Upshaw and Shell against the purple people eaters of yesteryear. Jack Tatum and Willie Brown versus anyone who dared come over the middle. Phil Villapiano and Ted Hendricks on running backs and tight ends attemtping to come across the middle.
Nothing wrong with the metaphor, imho. Just that when it may take time for us to actually see a team capable of doing this, it doesn’t excite much, and invites criticism perhaps. I knew losing Nnamdi would have us scrambling to get the secondary under control again without the ability to shut down one side of the field. We also knew our linebackers and safeties were suspect in lots of areas. I think we started to see the offensive bully last year, and when we are capable of playing our best football, our defense showed what a bully can look like as well, against the league’s top ranked offensive attacks even.
I think that it will always be a component of the team Hue attempts to build; whether or not we’ll ever really see him able to do it remains in question.
"tough times call for perseverance and a tough mind. I have been told that I can't play football before. We all know what happened with that. #neverquit"--Mark Herzlich
""The massive Raider Nation is beyond doubt the sleaziest and rudest and most sinister mob of thugs and wackos ever assembled."--Hunter S. Thompson
exactly.
That too. And over-pursuing.
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
Yeah it's almost like they pushed so quick they cant recover
Which is why the zone blitz will be beneficial when utilized and showing blitz more often then using it. The other thing is the D-Line always gets a good push maybe they cant recognize the screen? At this level you have to!
screen passes do kind of kill man coverage.
because the RB would have only 1 guy looking for him, it would likely be a blitz, and the RB will have blockers in front of him.
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
Here is the cold hard truth about this here...When the Raiders win, when they are a force....
You see their cohesion as a team in the preseason…They execute, they stop offenses, they score points, 1st and 2nd teams. Even without the starters there is a balance you see, the Raiders will have to play much better to have a chance this season. Now, we have the personel to play better, however, that will have to relay to the field of play. Our starters played almost the entire first half and didn’t even threaten to score a touchdown. So lets look at what we can perceive as potential positives from this preseason…D. Moore, Wiz, T. Jones, and Hagan…I am completely please with our draft picks. Hagan and Murphy should start as I said earlier, though it won’t happen. If they do with McFad at tail, you will see a difference in our offense. He is practicing so he will be ready to go… It is time to consider releasing C-Chill, Schilens is injury prone to a point of hurting the team. We do have the players to go out and win games, if we field our best players and they play together we should be ok…However, the first two games of the season will tell us everything, 2-0 or we are in real trouble…Go Raiders!!!
by Rodney Sacramento on Sep 3, 2011 12:31 PM PDT reply actions
Pros and cons
First the cons (I like to leave things on a positive note.):
Our run defense and open-field tackling suck as usual and getting Seymour back will help but won’t fix all those problems. We don’t have a legit #2 cover corner and with what Al Davis asks of his corners this is not acceptable in order to run this defense makes for a bad sign of things to come. Our safties also are getting exposed continuously because of this. Ed Reed and Troy Polamalu would get worn down and torched playing this scheme for 60+ snaps a game. Woodson, Ross, Brown, Bresnahan better start getting more creative in their coverage schemes and start practicing them since last week. Our pass protection looks to be improved but since teams usually don’t try too many different looks defensively you can’t be sure how improved it is. Also this more physical power running game better get improved fast or this team better use more zone blocking like it had under Cable. Statistically under his tenure this team’s run offense looked much better than it has this preaseason. Satele, a rookie, Carlisle, Veldheer and Heyer aren’t talented or strong enough to beat their man blocks without some zone or cut blocking being utlized to wear their opponent down. Also the schedule makes 7-9 look much more realistic. The Bills look much improved as Ryan Fitzpatrick looked like Kurt Warner JR. last week and the rest of the AFC which this team went 0-6 against looks much better than it did last year. If this team starts the season 2-2 or worse don’t even think about the playoffs. If we start out 3-1, then I will be a believer.
Now the pros:
Routt is looking very much like not just a #1 corner but a #1 corner for the Oakland Raiders which is saying something. Campbell is looking much better than he did at the end of the preseason last season. His timing and decision making are much faster than they were in last year’s preseason. Our receivers (assuming Derek Hagan is given a greater role) seem to be in much better shape than last year. Our defensive line and 2nd year MLB look to be much stronger even without Big Dick up the middle. Our coach offensively with all his pre-snap motion and formations makes Cable look like a middle school JR varisity OC by comparison so hopefully last year’s two week stretch in October wasn’t an abberation. Also if you think the season is over before it’s started then why watch? It’s just preseason and the offensive MVP hasn’t even seen the field yet. I bet he was licking his chops as soon as the NFL schedule makers made a national TV game against the team he loves to run on as the season opener.
Trust No One
Studies show stress can kill you, but don't worry about it.
huh?
Also if you think the season is over before it’s started then why watch?
I don’t think anyone here thinks the season is over before having started. People keep watching because they love the Raiders, no matter what. But that doesn’t mean that people should be shut up. That’s not a rah-rah blog.
by Spirals galore on Sep 3, 2011 12:54 PM PDT up reply actions
No I just think some of the comments sound like its teh end of the world.
I say don’t get too high or low before the season’s kicked off.
Trust No One
Studies show stress can kill you, but don't worry about it.
We don't do service to your team by rah-rah postings (panty, that's for you)
by Spirals galore on Sep 3, 2011 12:58 PM PDT up reply actions
ummmm Racer 5 ....now I'm thirsty!
"Now I know what your thinking, did he fire six shots or only five. Ive forgotten myself in all this excitement, but being that this is the 44 magnum, the most powerful handgun in the world and could blow your head clean off, you have to ask your question. Do I feel lucky? Well do ya punk!"
Dirty Harry Callahan
Unacceptable -n- Rejected!!!...All Thew My Time In Sports Raw! Raw! Has Been An Integral Part Of The Games!!!
Even the cheerleaders for crying out and when I’m at a game the voice is gone by the 4th quarter…I am what I am and NOT the chair lump that sits back quietly sipping tea!!!…Even here some 10,000 miles outside USAirSpace viewing threw CyberSpace I’m still climbing my chair thumping that fist on the desk and raising my arms in “V”!!!…
Never the pacifist
While shaking my fist
Doom-n-Gloom you say
Victory all the way!!
Is what I say!!
So if I come across on this board as I am in life than I accept that as a plus…I have lived and died with this team sense I was 12 back in “62” and it’s very real to me…NOT just some passing fancy…Although I do fancy the passing!!
PantyRaider…Just Supportin Baby!!!/_
Our DL certainly gave me positive vibes and a feeling of pride. But, in obvious passing 3rd and long, our DBs and OLBs
were in chaotic disarray – week after week. Not sure how much of this is on Bresnahan and Biekert and how much on the players. One thing I’m sure of, we need to bring in a couple of LBs and, if Mitchell isn’t 100% another Safety – horrendously weak at OLB and no depth whatsoever.
S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
"I made a trade for Seymour. ..I thought it was a great trade. Still do. [Al Davis 1/2011]
"I love to win, even against my daughters, I want to win" Hue "Action" Jackson 8/19/11
by Sons-of-Blanda on Sep 3, 2011 1:03 PM PDT up reply actions
Word! 3rd and long has been the Achilles heel
That’s where the Zone Blitz against the Niners comes in where Shaugnessy had the pick. Won’t always be the result but it’s a good defensive play for us to scheme with.
To the Silver & Black faithful...You all know we will NEVER give up on our Raiders!!!
I have never been and refuse to be a pessimistic person, yet, you have to look at things at their face value. The Raiders have the potential to Win the division, no question there, we have the talent to do so if we play to our strengths and execute. Hands down we need consistency, we play the team I dislike the most first and it will say allot about our Raiders. We are not the only ones that see this, believe when I say the guys sitting in the Raiders film room see the same thing and NONE of them are happy about it. The GOOD THING is we do have the talent with our starters..to actually make a run so at this point for us Football guys and there are many of us here, we need to see how things unfold over the next few days. As a Raider fan I have to BELIEVE that our team will come out a play like a team. If we do that and execute we can score 30 points a game. Go Raiders!!!
by Rodney Sacramento on Sep 3, 2011 1:49 PM PDT reply actions
Rodney, no need to state the obvious
You all know we will NEVER give up on our Raiders!!!
I must say though, all this potential means nothing if it’s not actualized. Hue is a rookie, and there’s nothing wrong with it — all of us have been rookies at one point. When it comes to teaching/coaching, he’ll learn if he’s given the time; and that’s when he’ll begin to help players actualize their potential. Right now, he reminds me of mysellf in my rookie year as a teacher.
by Spirals galore on Sep 3, 2011 1:57 PM PDT up reply actions
Rodney Spoke From The View Of An Athlete...Not Just The Fan Viewer...Battle Tested!!!
As much as we may be seeing problems they be seeing it 100 fold and are intending to do something about it…Get together and play as a team…Us against the world!!…
Up til now no time has been spent in the film room breaking down the opponent’s game…That will happen now…The entire “D” will be focusing on the strengths and weaknesses of the "MuleHead"s…Every player on that roster will be made familiar to them…Tendencies will be evaluated…Game plans will be formed and executed…Than adjustments will be made in real time after seeing how match ups work…Pics are taken and shown so players understand what just happened on the past plays….When they return to the field their aware and ready to diagnose and attack….It’s all ongoing throughout the game and before during prep…Mass familiarity with your opponents…
Meanwhile their doing the very same things regarding us so we have to disguise some things and pull out a few tricks that they’re not prepared for…They will do the same to us…It’s the ultimate “Chess Game” and “Head Fuck” in the world of sports…I can’t think of another environment aside from a battle field in war that rivals this…Not in my life anyway…
The week after we show a few tricks the Bills will be breaking that down…So we need to show it to them in the game but do something else out of it…Get them thinking in one direction but go another….Than again against the Jets and so on and so on it goes….Each one breaking down what the other one did to evaluate how to attack them on both sides of the ball and "ST"s….That’s why we have such a short memory…Forget what happened to you last week because this is a new opponent and will do these things instead…But if they saw your weakness expect them to try to exploit it…
So what do the "MueHead"s expect to exploit in us?…Pass “D”?…Screens?…Outside runs/
Wait - how is that a response to my comment about hue beiong a rookie?
by Spirals galore on Sep 3, 2011 9:06 PM PDT up reply actions
"all this potential means nothing if it’s not actualized"...How It Will Be "Actualized"
Talking about that process as regards the film room that Rodney posted about…This is an integral step in seeing that potential put to use and developed…
We are talking different issues:)
Hue is a rookie.
by Spirals galore on Sep 3, 2011 9:53 PM PDT up reply actions
check out transactions~~~
safety meeriweather released from the pats, wow ,we could use him. sanders also is cut but has a health issues, to many injuries, then mccowan cut by the 49ers?? diggs signs a 1yr with chargers at linebacker postioin. justin gage / wr from the titans just got released. moreto come and i read that the broncos have 2nd choice on the wavier wire.
by sports with steve on Sep 3, 2011 1:55 PM PDT reply actions
He was signed with the Bears this am
"tough times call for perseverance and a tough mind. I have been told that I can't play football before. We all know what happened with that. #neverquit"--Mark Herzlich
""The massive Raider Nation is beyond doubt the sleaziest and rudest and most sinister mob of thugs and wackos ever assembled."--Hunter S. Thompson
Cork
Raiders cut CB Lito Sheppard and CB Walter McFadden, according to a league source
Now we need a nickel
Weird that Sheppard got cut. I thought he did better than other guys last night.
Tafur
With reported cuts of CBs Walter McFadden & Lito Sheppard, looks like Joe Porter may have played his way onto team last night. We’ll see @ 3
Porter is bad. He makes an occaisional play - like the blocked kick - but overall, he's indecent.
S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
"I made a trade for Seymour. ..I thought it was a great trade. Still do. [Al Davis 1/2011]
"I love to win, even against my daughters, I want to win" Hue "Action" Jackson 8/19/11
by Sons-of-Blanda on Sep 3, 2011 2:42 PM PDT up reply actions
Hey may be exposed LOL
He may not make the squad those guys could have been tossed out early so they could look for work. I think the Raiders liked and wanted Walter to improve.
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