Oakland Raider Free Agent Signing Thread 9-4-11:
by Raymond St. Martin (Saint) on Sep 4, 2011 11:42 AM PDT
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PrintWith all of the action well under way, I figure that we should use this thread to keep up with all of the signings.
So far, Brian Waters is a Patriot, Adibi is a Viking, Diles is a Buc, Meariweather is a Bear, Tolzien is a Niner and there are many more to be announced over the coming 24 hours including who will be on the Oakland Raider practice squad and who will fill the obvious holes at LB, FS and OG.
I use KFFL on days like these because they do a great job at getting the stories from may sources and confirming them before they publish them.
Here is my preferred link: LINK
It is looking more and more like Tatupu and, maybe, Langston Wallker will be the chosen few, because all of the names that I was keen on are falling by the side of the road as teams like the Pats and Vikings get even better.
Cheers!
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Here's some more stuff.
- Jets sign WR Mardy Gilyard; release LB Aaron Maybin
- Panthers sign S Stevie Brown, CB Josh Thomas and DE George Selvie; release DE Everette Brown
- Cowboys release G Montrae Holland; sign G Derrick Dockery
- Bengals sign WR Brandon Tate
- Cardinals sign HB Chester Taylor
- Bills sign TE Lee Smith
"You're all like big, fat failure turtles." - Edge
by Rated-R Superstar on Sep 4, 2011 11:48 AM PDT reply actions
Isn't that the second time Maybin has been cut this offseason?
I still think you could be worth a shot though for a minimum salary. Can’t be too much worse than Groves
Number changes
RAIDERS OAKLAND RAIDERS
by VittorioTafur
Raiders number changes: @TaiwanJonesNFL will now wear 22, @D_VanDyke8 has switched to 23 and @_JeromeBoyd_ will wear 30
Good I hated tawain in 36 I just didn't look right
by 209raider on Sep 4, 2011 1:49 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Speed backs don't usually wear numbers that begin with a "3."
"You're all like big, fat failure turtles." - Edge
by Rated-R Superstar on Sep 4, 2011 1:49 PM PDT up reply actions
Walter Payton was #34. ;)
But you said “don’t usually” so yeah you are right.
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
He was faaaaaasst.
And yes, he was a burner too. He was an all-around back.
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
Forgot about #22 McCluster after seeing TJ with the pig and now in #22 - Suits our Typhoon well
S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
"I made a trade for Seymour. ..I thought it was a great trade. Still do. [Al Davis 1/2011]
"I love to win, even against my daughters, I want to win" Hue "Action" Jackson 8/19/11
by Sons-of-Blanda on Sep 4, 2011 2:15 PM PDT up reply actions
I have a bad feeling we will be as inactive on the waiver wire as we were in free agency
Depth is going to be scarce this year
You know what would make a good story? Something about a clown who makes people happy, but inside he's real sad. Also, he has severe diarrhea.
Yeah if we dont make a big time move
i dont think i’ll have reasons to be confident in this team next year…. I really feel talent wise we’re worst than where we were last year, and were hoping young rookies and inexperienced guys will do something for us…
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Talent wise were worse? How so
We loose aso miller and gallery grant it those were 3 of our most talented players but we add tawain, d Moore, d hagan, DVD, ausberry barksdale and wiz I would call that an upgrade
by 209raider on Sep 4, 2011 1:23 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Losing Zach Miller hurts pretty badly.
I think the offensive line will be just fine without Robert Gallery. I think the pass defense can still be top 10 without Nnamdi Asomugha.
Taiwan Jones and David Ausberry figure to be non-factors this season. Joe Barksdale might also be a non-factor. DeMarcus Van Dyke hasn’t looked good. We’ll see just how good Denarius Moore and Stefen Wisniewski are.
Derek Hagan has played well enough to earn a starting job, and Kevin Boss should be a decent target and a great run blocker.
Overall, talent-wise, we’ll just have to see how the season plays out.
"You're all like big, fat failure turtles." - Edge
by Rated-R Superstar on Sep 4, 2011 1:40 PM PDT up reply actions
Taiwan jones a non factor this season i think not
You best believe there gonna get this kid is gonna get on the field ausberry I’ll agree with u on that one DVD looked pretty good IMO for a rookie and d Moore and wiz look to be starters
by 209raider on Sep 4, 2011 1:55 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Jones is only seeing the field if McFadden gets hurt and misses a game or two.
Even if McFadden does, Jones won’t be utilized as much as McFadden. Bush becomes the feature back.
"You're all like big, fat failure turtles." - Edge
by Rated-R Superstar on Sep 4, 2011 1:59 PM PDT up reply actions
I can see jones used as a 3rd down back.
he’s too talented NOT to be used. In fact, having him and mcfadden swap out every so often (bush gets swapped out every so often too) it can lead to a better chance of mcfadden NOT injuring himself.
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
ala Ronnie Harmon and Eric Metcalf
Great option there!
by samiam2112 on Sep 4, 2011 2:56 PM PDT via iPhone app up reply actions
I never said he would be the feature back
I just think it would be a shame to let him ride the bench when he has enough talent to start on many teams in the NFL Im thinking there going to utilize him much like the queefs did with mccluster
by 209raider on Sep 4, 2011 2:17 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Taiwan Jones has the talent to start on many NFL teams?
"You're all like big, fat failure turtles." - Edge
by Rated-R Superstar on Sep 4, 2011 2:19 PM PDT up reply actions
hmmm...... noooooo. lol
He first needs to STAY healthy. AND play a couple seasons before we can say anything about that. lol
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
Yes taiwan has the talent to start on any NFL team I'm talking about talent
How many running backs do you know of that has his skill set of speed elusiveness vision and cuts I’m guessing not many maybe a handful if he can be a productive NFL running remains to be seen because talent isn’t everything many factors go into if a player can be productive
by 209raider on Sep 4, 2011 2:34 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
he had a couple of good preseason games. Dont you think you are going t bit overboard in this?
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
Yes very much so lol but there is no denying his talent
I have a gut feeling about him
by 209raider on Sep 4, 2011 2:51 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
he has talent. can't deny that.
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
Don't forget The Boss.
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
Damn I knew I was forgetting someone haha
Good catch lol
by 209raider on Sep 4, 2011 1:39 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
And t Pryor this kid is a beast forsure. How could
I forget Pryor it must be this damn hangover ._.
by 209raider on Sep 4, 2011 1:41 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
he is not a beast until we see him in action.
The kid is as raw as it gets.
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
Absolutely.
Pryor was a beast in college, but as an NFL quarterback, he’s as much of a work in progress as anybody else.
"You're all like big, fat failure turtles." - Edge
by Rated-R Superstar on Sep 4, 2011 1:45 PM PDT up reply actions
Eh. He was alright in college.
He was a great runner, but his passing was still sort of suspect. But his style worked with ohio state anyways.
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
Its weird how ppl say his sanzenbacker made him look good
Last time I checked sanzebaker went undrafted
Clippers own staples center!!!
Sanzenbaucher is awesome.
He was just one of those guys scouters didnt pay attention to.
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
Pryor was the Big Ten MVP runner-up last season.
"You're all like big, fat failure turtles." - Edge
by Rated-R Superstar on Sep 4, 2011 1:51 PM PDT up reply actions
Doesn't mean he was a great passer.
He was okay at passing.
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
He completed 65 percent of his passes in his junior year.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Sep 4, 2011 1:55 PM PDT up reply actions
They were mostly underneath passes such as slants and screen passes.
occasionally he throws the deep ball, but other than that he runs.
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
Who completes 65 percent of his passes throwing deep balls all day?
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by Rated-R Superstar on Sep 4, 2011 2:00 PM PDT up reply actions
Wasn't implying that.
Im implying that the 65% completion percentage can be skewed because of his throws to mostly slants and underneath passes and screens. Even Ohio State fans don’t really care about him and his play.
When I say he is okay at passing, I am not saying he is horrible. IN terms of passing, he is very raw. He is a great runner, but as of now, that’s about all he is.
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
I think by college standards Pryor was a pretty good passer.
"You're all like big, fat failure turtles." - Edge
by Rated-R Superstar on Sep 4, 2011 2:05 PM PDT up reply actions
By college standards
This is just my take:
to me, he is okay. Tim Tebow was getting the same hype pretty much coming out of college. Actually, it was much much more hype. If Pryor went into the draft next year, and gives off the same performance as last year, ALL of the questions that Tebow got would be relayed right into pryor. The question of being a passer, would be a front-runner i’m assuming.
By college standards, Tebow was much more better than pryor is. I even knew Tebow was an okay passer in college though, as his system pretty much was saving him. Pryor does not run in an nfl like system. They had to design the offense for pryor, and that included short passes, and passes out of the pocket.
Looking at his highlight videos, I saw many underneath passes. I saw many running. I saw a few mid-deep passes. But his delivery is sketchy, and his ability to read defenses is in great question because its probably a frequent reason why he rolls out all the time, to draw the coverage near him, and having a WR break his route to go for him.
Right now, I am not confident in saying that Pryor was good at passing. He was okay by college standards.
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
While we agree to disagree on Pryor's ability to pass the ball, Ohio State ran a pro-style offense under Jim Tressel.
"You're all like big, fat failure turtles." - Edge
by Rated-R Superstar on Sep 4, 2011 2:16 PM PDT up reply actions
it wasn't really pro style.... at least that's not what it looked like to me.
Idk. In any case, his ability to pass is still in question. You can pass really well in college, like Tebow, but ultimately that remains to be seen how that translates into the nfl. And I don’t think he was that great of a passer in Ohio State, but I guess we can agree to disagree on that, and agree on the fact that he’ll need a lot of work to compete in the nfl.
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
Every "QB" Prospect Is Graded On His Colleg Performance!!!
So being a good college passer means exactly what???…There are NO good pro passers coming out of the college ranks until they establish themselves as such in the pros!!!..
He’s a 3rd rd pick with tremendous upside and talent from the lower level…That’s how it stands until something more or less is shown at the pro level over time…Just like Cam n Tebow n the rest…
yep.
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
What are you smoking?
Even Ohio State fans don’t really care about him and his play?
You obviously know nothing about T. Pryor.
Watch film before you claim most of his throws were slants, checkdowns and screens.
Or were you talking about JC?
i agree O St fans hate him now but he was one of their most beloved players before the mess he made
They ran a number of screens and slants but as far as I’m concerned that is an NFL style offense. 65% completion percentage in college compared to NFL because of the talent difference of the opponent but he ran his offense well and made all sorts of different throws.
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by Marcus Allen Krause on Sep 4, 2011 9:33 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
A friend of mine is a ohio state fan
and I talked with them on their blog during the bowl game. They were surprised Pryor did very well.
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
than again, some of his throws were saved by his WRs...
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
Pryor
will not amount to anything in the NFL.. unless he finds a way to play TE or WR
Light up the Freakin Halo!
That honestly remains to be seen.
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
You never kno until you see look at Vick I remember alot of the same criticism said about him coming out of VT
by 209raider on Sep 4, 2011 2:21 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Vick was projected to be a top 10 pick.
"You're all like big, fat failure turtles." - Edge
by Rated-R Superstar on Sep 4, 2011 2:22 PM PDT up reply actions
What do u think Pryor would have been if he never had gotten into trouble ? 1st rounder forsure just because ur projected to be a top 10 pick doesn't mean you have nothing to improve on that's especially true for qbs
by 209raider on Sep 4, 2011 2:38 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
No, Pryor wouldn't have been given a first-round grade.
Selling memorabilia for tattoos isn’t going to really hurt your stock.
"You're all like big, fat failure turtles." - Edge
by Rated-R Superstar on Sep 4, 2011 2:39 PM PDT up reply actions
Says who Mel fuckin kipper he's joke and no selling memorabilia won't hurt ur stock that bad but sitting 5 games would
by 209raider on Sep 4, 2011 2:55 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Mel Kiper, Jr. is good at what he does.
I don’t know why you’d take a potshot at him for no reason. Pryor probably would’ve been given a fourth-round draft grade at best from Kiper, Todd McShay or Mike Mayock. I’d place a bet on something closer to round six.
Also, Pryor’s suspension doesn’t affect his stock because he’s not seeing the field anytime soon.
"You're all like big, fat failure turtles." - Edge
by Rated-R Superstar on Sep 4, 2011 2:58 PM PDT up reply actions
I hate mel kiper.
He goes off of hype and what everyone else is saying more than anything imo. He makes solid arguments here and there, but I don’t think he is good at what he does. he is meh.
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
Exactly !!!
Took the words out of my mouth I like u jacks me and u share many of the same views
by 209raider on Sep 4, 2011 3:10 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Don't get carried away, his strength is offense but some of his defensive observations will astonish you
S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
"I made a trade for Seymour. ..I thought it was a great trade. Still do. [Al Davis 1/2011]
"I love to win, even against my daughters, I want to win" Hue "Action" Jackson 8/19/11
by Sons-of-Blanda on Sep 4, 2011 3:14 PM PDT up reply actions
According to the on and off sons of blanda. ;)
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
How does Kiper go off of hype?
What does that even mean?
"You're all like big, fat failure turtles." - Edge
by Rated-R Superstar on Sep 4, 2011 3:11 PM PDT up reply actions
My most reason laghter at Kiper
Was when he was praising Jimmy Clausen as a Franchise QB (panthers then select cam newton at the #1 spot), and him saying Sergio Kindle would be amazing.
Basically when a player puts up very good numbers, he gets on the guys bandwagon, and he makes these great accusations about the player without any real thought or analysis. Well…… not too much in depth analysis.
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
Nobody bases their opinion solely on college numbers.
"You're all like big, fat failure turtles." - Edge
by Rated-R Superstar on Sep 4, 2011 3:19 PM PDT up reply actions
I didn't say solely.
If a guy is putting up great numbers, he’ll jump on him, and look at him, and praise him for what others have already praised him to be. Example: Jimmy Clausen, and Sergio Kindle.
To further engulf in what I said, i feel like he hypes up a player quite a bit, but he doesn’t look at the overall picture. A QB can have an 90% completion percentage in a game, but if all of those passes were short, and/or the WR saves him, I am less than impressed. that was the case with clausen. I was not impressed with him at all, yet kiper is hyping him up, and no Clausen is looking to not play at all.
I can’t remember a bunch of players names. I listen to kiper, and what he has to say like mayock, but it doesn’t mean I have to agree with him. I disagree with him more often than agree, which is why I don’t like him at all. I feel like he hypes players up, and doesn’t give a full analysis on his strengths and weaknesses, and go in depth with his awareness, pocket presence, accuracy, etc (in terms of QB). I WISH he goes more in depth, but it seems he goes more off of stats, division, more than anything else.
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
It means he goes off what other ppl say
Rather than off first hand encounters
by 209raider on Sep 4, 2011 3:18 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Vick still needs to get better at passing and reading defenses.
He is a good passer. But teams can still exploit him pretty well. All you really need to do is FORCE him to pass and not run, and you can win because he really is just GOOD at passing. Maybe a bit above good.
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
outside of Hagan
everyone you named is an unproven rookie, and wiz is the only sure starter in that list…. Gallery was good Zach even better and Aso cream of the crop… im just saying i feel like everyones expecting these young guys to produce highly, and everyone just setting themself up for disappointment
Success is not measuredby what you accomplish, but by the opposition you have encountered, and the courage with which you have maintained the struggle against overwhelming odds...
-Orison Swett Marden
tawain, d Moore, d hagan, DVD, ausberry barksdale and wiz
Hagan is not a rookie.
besides that, what we have seen so far out of Barksdale and D Moore, we like what we saw. Very much. In camp, and in preseason they have been performing above average with us, and that can only mean very good things. Ausberry has the potential to be our Dallas Clark-like WR, in terms of being a WR/TE tweener that will only create mismatches. Taiwan…. remains to be seens how great he will be in the season, but he had a very good preseason at least.
Boss>Zach because of his superior blocking and similar skills in the passing game.
SO far Wiz>gallery, but I can only go off of preseason. the times Wiz has been in, the QBs were not touched.
ROutt will do fine at the #1. imo, I don’t think we should worry about him.
Maybe we are setting ourselves up, but what we have looked at so far, its hard not to be very optimistic.
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
Boss is not better than Miller.
Don’t be silly. Boss is a better blocker, sure, but Miller is a better receiver and faster. Miller is better all-around, and he hasn’t even reached his peak yet.
We don’t know if Wisniewski is better than Gallery yet.
"You're all like big, fat failure turtles." - Edge
by Rated-R Superstar on Sep 4, 2011 2:30 PM PDT up reply actions
Boss is fast too. And deceptively quick (a giants fan gave us a run down of him. Thats what he pretty much said too).
They are similar in the passing game, and yeah better blocker. Thats why I would have him over miller imho.
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
Miller is the best receiver, and it's not even debatable.
"You're all like big, fat failure turtles." - Edge
by Rated-R Superstar on Sep 4, 2011 2:40 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah it is.
Compare their stats if you want. Boss could have passed Miller for receiving yards last year if he was thrown too more often. He is also a bigger redzone target. All Boss needed was another 120 yards, and looking at the catches of each player, Boss could have matched that np.
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
Seriously?
"You're all like big, fat failure turtles." - Edge
by Rated-R Superstar on Sep 4, 2011 2:42 PM PDT up reply actions
here look
http://www.nfl.com/player/kevinboss/2495557/profile Boss
http://www.nfl.com/player/zachmiller/2507170/profile miller
Looking at their stats, it seems Boss can be just as capable a pass catcher as miller is. And yeah, you are right saying that he is not fast. He is about average speed, but I think he can catch the ball about as good as miller (does have very good route running though)
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
The post the Giants fan made on here said Boss had pretty bad hands.
Boss isn’t going to catch as many balls as Miller did.
"You're all like big, fat failure turtles." - Edge
by Rated-R Superstar on Sep 4, 2011 2:51 PM PDT up reply actions
He also said that he believed that it was an anomoly.
Im sure boss will do very well catching the ball for us.
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
Boss Did Almost As Well With 35 As Zack Did With 60!!!
That’s the difference in how many times they were targeted…Of course Boss’ stats are lower with about half as many opportunities but he had a 15 yd average compared to Zack’s 11 yd ave…And Boss was 5th in receptions while Zack was #1 for us…
Boss is better than miller for us why the hell do we need a great pass catching te with all this new found talent at wr we need a good blocker
by 209raider on Sep 4, 2011 2:41 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
This too.
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
Miller is better at catching than any wide receiver we have.
"You're all like big, fat failure turtles." - Edge
by Rated-R Superstar on Sep 4, 2011 2:42 PM PDT up reply actions
u mean
currently or before when miller was still here
by Marcofromda510 on Sep 4, 2011 2:45 PM PDT up reply actions
Huh?
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by Rated-R Superstar on Sep 4, 2011 2:46 PM PDT up reply actions
u said miller
is better at catching than any wr we have, i am asking if your referring to the old wr core we had when he was here, or our current ones.
by Marcofromda510 on Sep 4, 2011 2:48 PM PDT up reply actions
Current.
"You're all like big, fat failure turtles." - Edge
by Rated-R Superstar on Sep 4, 2011 2:49 PM PDT up reply actions
its debateable
i think miller’s best trait, was that he was consistant/reliable. Our current WR group is more than capable of doing their jobs this year, they are just unproven for the most part. the talent is there though, its just a matter of time til the talent translates to production on the field
by Marcofromda510 on Sep 4, 2011 2:52 PM PDT up reply actions
boss hands down better
Hagen better than Miller he will be a calming force out there!
by samiam2112 on Sep 4, 2011 2:54 PM PDT via iPhone app up reply actions
There's a reason Miller got the money he got.
There’s also a reason why Boss was signed so late into process.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Sep 4, 2011 2:55 PM PDT up reply actions
money doesnt mean anything
he got paid for previous production and potential production, we paid millions to javon walker and deangelo hall for past production got lil in return. Boss is a product of the system in NY, they dont throw to TEs much, replace Miller with Boss here, he would put up similar numbers. Its like the whole Nnamdi and Revis thing, people say Revis is better because he gets picks and moves around the field, but its about the system their in. Different systems produce different results.
by Marcofromda510 on Sep 4, 2011 3:00 PM PDT up reply actions
Different systems produce different results.
I agree with this. In a way.
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
Different systems do produce different results, but...
Miller isn’t a product of the Raiders’ system, and Boss isn’t a victim of the Giants’ system.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Sep 4, 2011 3:03 PM PDT up reply actions
Boss doesn't get thrown the ball much
while I think we throw to the TE a lot.
Thats all I can go by off of who can do what on a team. I can’t say if its the system, or not, because we really wouldn’t know until the season begins.
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
at the end of the day...
its up to a player to produce. Boss is not as praised as Miller for recieving skills, but I believe he will produce when we need him to. Our passing game needs to get rid of its crutch(relying solely on the TE) and we need our WRs to produce, might be a few growing pains, but its a neccessary step if we want a legitamate passing game. Would of loved to have Miller back, but thats no longer relevent.
by Marcofromda510 on Sep 4, 2011 3:09 PM PDT up reply actions
I will look forward to this.
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
Dude how can you say that?
Miller was targeted 93 times last season, while Boss was the 4th option on his offense.
How can you say that Miller’s success was not a product of our offense? JC checks the ball down 9/10 times. I’d be willing to bet that our TEs end up with more catches then Seattle’s TEs. Notice I’m keeping the names out of it because I am talking about systems only.
by TheDudeAbides138 on Sep 5, 2011 10:40 AM PDT up reply actions
And besides
Miller had 12 TDs in four seasons. 90% of his catches were him laying down in coverage and getting that 6-7 yard reception to move the chains. Zach Miller was never the Ghost to the Post.
I’m of the mindset that we didn’t even need Boss to replace Miller. I feel like the way we use our TEs we could bring in ANYONE and they would be able to pick up 40 catches minimum on the season. Fact is JC likes the check down to the RB or TE, and uses it constantly. Whoever lines up there is gonna be the benefactor.
by TheDudeAbides138 on Sep 5, 2011 10:45 AM PDT up reply actions
Some truth but overstated. Jason requires more separation than most QBs or won't feel comfortable
enough to throw. JC avoids the windows and plays the percentages. Zach excelled at separation and has good hands. JC became addicted to Zach and we’ll have to see if his cold turkey cure works – and he’s able to spread the ball around – or regresses into his addiction.
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by Sons-of-Blanda on Sep 5, 2011 1:32 PM PDT up reply actions
Barks wasn't bad
He gets a little winded after too many plays. He played well next to the beast child Bruce Campbell. He just needs to work a lil bit harder and learn how to use his hand as well as BC.
It's just the end of the preseason.
I think with a little time and development, Barks may be replacing Barnes before the end of this season, at least I hope he does. He seems to have a lot to offer to keep him on the bench so long.
It seemed like they played BC and Barks as a tandem
Like that’s the future and gauging how they played together…
I noticed that too. I think that what is hoped for is that the two of them develop a chemistry of playing together.
The two of them are seemingly the future of the right side of the line.
I never said anything about proven you were talking about talent and all these players have great talent. And setting ourselves up for disappointment this is my team am I not supposed to have high hopes and be optimistic I hate all that doom and gloom shit those aren’t real fans
by 209raider on Sep 4, 2011 2:47 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Being skeptical isn't being a "doom and gloom" fan.
You can be optimistic and realistic.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Sep 4, 2011 2:49 PM PDT up reply actions
Thank you, could have used you around earlier to help fend off the manic host
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by Sons-of-Blanda on Sep 4, 2011 2:52 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm being realistic
I never said we a lock to win the superbowl or anything I just think were going to the playoff and all I’ve seen you post is doom and gloom material there is 31 other teams out there if you don’t like the direction this team is heading no one says you have to be a raider fan just sayin
by 209raider on Sep 4, 2011 3:02 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
The proper way of saying it:
We have POTENTIAL of making the playoffs. Things are still up in the air imo.
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
I haven't made any "doom or gloom" comments.
I’ve said Zach Miller is better than Kevin Boss. I’ve said we lack depth at cornerback and linebacker. I’ve hardly posted on here lately, actually.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Sep 4, 2011 3:05 PM PDT up reply actions
This is fair to say.
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
I was not refering to you as a member of the 'manic host' but only responding to the sentiment of RRS
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by Sons-of-Blanda on Sep 4, 2011 3:06 PM PDT up reply actions
I need to stop lol haha I just can't I love a
Friendly debate
by 209raider on Sep 4, 2011 3:13 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
CB Will Allen LB HB Blades OL Artis Hicks
by Hundredthousanddollarpluswhipmaster on Sep 4, 2011 12:29 PM PDT reply actions
will allen would be nice
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-Orison Swett Marden
If Allen or Joselio Hanson can play man coverage, the Raiders really need to take a hard look.
I’m more worried about linebacker depth, though. There’s only five linebackers listed on the roster and two of them are Darryl Blackstock and Bruce Davis.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Sep 4, 2011 12:34 PM PDT up reply actions
atleast we have 5 RB's
i am worried too, it isnt a secret our starters are ok and good but our back ups are the worst
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-Orison Swett Marden
I don't want to sound like a broken record
But the nation needs lance Briggs he would do so much for this team this guys is a future hof IMO all we would need is a solid veteran at cb and this looks like a playoff team forsure no doubt
by 209raider on Sep 4, 2011 1:26 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Make some moves already
I feel like Hue is waiting for Al to wake up from his nap (no disrespect) before he makes any moves.
The Raiders added Kevin Brock, Alex Parsons and Manase Tonga to the practice squad.
Vittorio Tafur and Steve Corkran reported this on Twitter.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Sep 4, 2011 12:35 PM PDT reply actions
Eddie McGee is also on the practice squad according to Corkran.
The Raiders’ official Twitter reports the team has signed linebacker Ricky Brown.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Sep 4, 2011 12:37 PM PDT up reply actions
NOOO
Our nightmare has come true. Why Ricky? There are better guys out there. Hopefully this is just to backup Ro and they are still looking for an OLB.
Called it Phuk
Dammit dammit at least S’Moores is back!
by samiam2112 on Sep 4, 2011 1:37 PM PDT via iPhone app up reply actions
Saw this one coming, we can still upgrade
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by Sons-of-Blanda on Sep 4, 2011 2:19 PM PDT up reply actions
The Raiders' Twitter has the practice squad as the following:
Practice squad: CB Sterling Moore, DT Jamie Cumbie, DL Mason Brodine, FB Manase Tonga, RG Alex Parsons, TE Kevin Brock, LB Jeremy Leman and WR Eddie McGee.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Sep 4, 2011 12:39 PM PDT reply actions
I like it:
Moore, Cumbie, Leman and Brock can all see time this year!
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by Raymond St. Martin (Saint) on Sep 4, 2011 12:40 PM PDT up reply actions
I still can't understand how s Moore didn't make
The 53 man roster and porter did
by 209raider on Sep 4, 2011 1:30 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Here's one reason
http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/09000d5d821edd29/Clayton-one-yard-TD-run
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by Sons-of-Blanda on Sep 4, 2011 6:10 PM PDT up reply actions
Since the Raiders signed Ricky Brown, we can assume he's on the 53-man roster.
I would guess Michael Bennett is getting cut since he’s one of (technically) five running backs on the 53-man roster. He’s fourth on the depth chart behind Darren McFadden, Michael Bush and Taiwan Jones.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Sep 4, 2011 12:41 PM PDT reply actions
Tafur and Corkran on Twitter are speculating offensive tackle Seth Wand is getting cut to make room for Ricky Brown.
Wand hasn’t showed today, they say.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Sep 4, 2011 12:41 PM PDT up reply actions
Makes sense (based on talent and contribution) Bennett > Wand(a)
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by Sons-of-Blanda on Sep 4, 2011 2:21 PM PDT up reply actions
With Barksdale, Heyer, Veldheer and Barnes, the Raiders have enough offensive tackles anyway.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Sep 4, 2011 2:22 PM PDT up reply actions
Right, and Heyer is a wild card who plays well at G
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by Sons-of-Blanda on Sep 4, 2011 2:33 PM PDT up reply actions
I think there's no chance for Tatupu since Brown was signed.
Do you know if Hanson or Allen can play man coverage?
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by Rated-R Superstar on Sep 4, 2011 12:52 PM PDT up reply actions
That's true
We’d probably go for a guy who has played OLB. Not many out there, but there are a few that are better than Groves. I don’t know much about either Hanson or Allen, but I read something that said Hanson is at worst an above average nickelback and that he’s decent playing man coverage.
The Raiders could be comfortable with Michael Huff being the number three cornerback with DeMarcus Van Dyke as the number four.
If that’s the case, we’re not signing a cornerback.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Sep 4, 2011 1:03 PM PDT up reply actions
I think Groves is starting without a doubt.
I’m talking about backups for Groves and Wimbley. I think we can do better than Blackstock and Davis.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Sep 4, 2011 1:02 PM PDT up reply actions
I hope not
I’m not sure if Groves would start anywhere else in the league. We really need to add another linebacker and do a better job of collecting talent at the position moving forward.
It's September 4.
Who is an outside linebacker available right now better than Quentin Groves?
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by Rated-R Superstar on Sep 4, 2011 1:22 PM PDT up reply actions
I'd roll the dice on Mr. Rogers or convert Trevor Scott or Jarvis Moss. Groves will be exploited every 3rd down
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"I made a trade for Seymour. ..I thought it was a great trade. Still do. [Al Davis 1/2011]
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by Sons-of-Blanda on Sep 4, 2011 2:23 PM PDT up reply actions
I don't know the figurs of Brown, but I still think we COULD sign tatupu.
I can see having Tatupu, and put Ro on the outside. I believe he has enough speed/hip movement to do well on the outside. Plus it would help our chances with them random 50+ yard runs, and I believe Ro can be a hell of a pass rusher.
Tatupu, to me, is not out of the question just yet. I would like a LB core as McClain-Tatupu-Wimbley
But its likely we’ll stick with Groves. There was no attempt in the preseason to see what anyone else can do at his starting OLB position.
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
We sould have done the hit when we had Morrison instead of trading him
I liked him
by 209raider on Sep 4, 2011 1:46 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
trading him was another way of saying "we're drafting a LB."
Turns out that LB is rolando mcclain, so I cant complain about morrison’s departure too much.
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
You can throw me numbers
but looking at how he passes, most of his throwing plays are underneath throws, or deep ones. and on the deep ones, sometimes his WRs save him.
he is okay, but not above the level of “good” in my book.
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
Bing!
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
Hey true that brother i would much rather have
Jacoby than Morrison
by 209raider on Sep 4, 2011 2:02 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
This was posted
on Raiders.com
09/04/2011 CB Sterling Moore, DT Jamie Cumbie, DE Mason Brodine, FB Manase Tonga, OL Alex Parsons, TE Kevin Brock, LB J Leman, and WR Eddie McGee signed to practice squad.
09/04/2011 Signed LB Ricky Brown
I've been bleeding Silver and Black for 40 years its time they get back to playing Raider's football
i like ricky brown over grove, hes constantly getting blocked and either too late or over pursues the ball and it will not get better in the heat of the season.id stil like to see another lb and olineman signed
The Mummy vs. The Buffoon, it's a coin toss
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"I made a trade for Seymour. ..I thought it was a great trade. Still do. [Al Davis 1/2011]
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by Sons-of-Blanda on Sep 4, 2011 2:25 PM PDT up reply actions
How about Sterling Moore?
Please someone tell me he was added to the practice squad!!
Clippers own staples center!!!
Yes, he was added to the practice squad.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Sep 4, 2011 1:47 PM PDT up reply actions
The Ravens signed center Andre Gurode to a one-year deal according to Adam Schefter.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Sep 4, 2011 1:48 PM PDT reply actions
booooooo
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
Should have grabbed him
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by Sons-of-Blanda on Sep 4, 2011 2:26 PM PDT up reply actions
If you're a college football fan, you know the name Dane Sanzenbacher.
The former Ohio State wide receiver was picked up by the Bears.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Sep 4, 2011 1:48 PM PDT reply actions
I'm just passing along stuff I see on my Twitter feed.
Somebody retweeted it.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Sep 4, 2011 1:51 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah I was hoping we'd get him.
That kid is great. imho
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
The season starts (for most teams) in a week.
Nobody has signed him. Shouldn’t that be a warning sign?
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by Rated-R Superstar on Sep 4, 2011 1:52 PM PDT up reply actions
Nah.
I think most teams are all set at MLB in a 4-3, and don’t want to pay a guy to be a backup. At least that’s my thoughts.
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
Tatupu IMO is to slow to play on the outside
But with that said I would much rather have him than that joke groves
by 209raider on Sep 4, 2011 2:05 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Dan LeFeovre - SOBs wet dream
Just signed a practice squad deal. Would have been nice to have a third QB in camp. Especially one with a big arm!
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by Raymond St. Martin (Saint) on Sep 4, 2011 1:56 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
lol
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
Yeah I hope I was wrong about Kaepernick too. Al and I seem to have the same problem with QBs.
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"I made a trade for Seymour. ..I thought it was a great trade. Still do. [Al Davis 1/2011]
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by Sons-of-Blanda on Sep 4, 2011 2:28 PM PDT up reply actions
Everette Brown got released by the Panthers
Should we take a chance at him, would be a ok backup for Shaugny or Houston
Clippers own staples center!!!
We have enough defensive linemen.
If we’re taking a chance on Brown, somebody like Scott or Moss would have to get cut.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Sep 4, 2011 2:00 PM PDT up reply actions
What's our biggest need?
We need to find a way to stop the run! It’s time to find an OLB! Now!
Light up the Freakin Halo!
For the run.....
we stop the run, but each game it seems we let a 30+ yarder get away from us.
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
"Seems" hell, we allow more +40 yard runs than any other team
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by Sons-of-Blanda on Sep 4, 2011 2:29 PM PDT up reply actions
yeah.
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
Where are those runs coming from?
Anybody have any stats that show where on the line they’re coming from? IMHO I thought they came off cuts from B,C gap. Where our OLB should be. I could be wrong though.
According to football outsiders
Houston was the best run stop rate of any DE in the league, and shaugnessy was kind of up there. imo, I think those random 40+ yard runs just…. well just come. Once they get past our DL, its all LBs and DBs next, and our OLBs are kind of suspect against the run (i say kind of because I think Wimbley does pretty well against it).
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
You think those random 40+ yard runs just…. well just come?
You cannot be serious. Our OLBs don’t fill the gap left vacant by Ro’, and don’t seal the edge on sweeps and cutbacks.
Plus, out so-called SS (T. Branch) can’t make a play until the runner has moved the chains.
With an All Pro DL, if the Raiders can’t stop the run, it’s time we understand why.
They do just come. and it IS because our OLBs and DBs were okay against the run last year.
That All Pro DL stops runs pretty well. Here is a list of best and worst stop rate against runs in 2010: http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stat-analysis/2011/best-and-worst-run-stop-rates-2010
Houston is right at the top. Henderson is there too. And here is a look at run defeats: http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stat-analysis/2011/most-run-defeats-2010
You’ll notice McClain, Shaugnessy and Branch are there.
We have no problem stopping the run, but once the RB gets past our DL, there are really only 2 players who could stop the run (Nnamdi can do this too, but he is never really there to stop it). Thus, we give up BIG runs every now and then, but overall, we do fairly well against the run.
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
We finished 29th v. the run in 2010
We are consistently vulnerable to cutbacks because (a) our OLBs cannot seal the edge and (b) our safeties arrive late.
Losers love statistics. Our pass defense looked great statistically because WE CANNOT STOP THE RUN.
But film don’t lie and GAME DAY don’t lie.
these are advance statistics. not these copy and paste statistics that nfl.com has.
If you actually have read how each of stop rate and run defeats, and how they work, you wouldn’t be saying that.
Let me set the record strait AGAIN.
We are consistently vulnerable to cutbacks because (a) our OLBs cannot seal the edge and (b) our safeties arrive late.
Thats what I have been saying all along. And film dont lie and gameday dont lie? Of course. On gameday and film, we give up 2-4 yards a run, and than we give up 40 yards. THAT IS WHAT SCREWS UP OUR STATS!!!! We give up big runs randomly. Runners are a threat to go the distance, but because of the DL that we have, we keep runners at bay, but than all of a sudden they break a 40+ yard run.
THATS why I say our run defense is fine. We just have to prevent the big plays.
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
The Raiders have given up more 40+ runs over the past two season than any other team, and your response is:
THATS why I say our run defense is fine. We just have to prevent the big plays.
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by Sons-of-Blanda on Sep 5, 2011 1:35 PM PDT up reply actions
The problem is OLBs, and I'm not excluding Wimbley, but it's predominantly Groves and any of
the OLB backups. The DL, no matter how good, is going to let some through, and that’s when our true weakness is revealed. That weakness has not been addressed and I hold Hue & Co. responsible.
S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
"I made a trade for Seymour. ..I thought it was a great trade. Still do. [Al Davis 1/2011]
"I love to win, even against my daughters, I want to win" Hue "Action" Jackson 8/19/11
by Sons-of-Blanda on Sep 5, 2011 1:37 PM PDT up reply actions
Right. I agree with you.
but My case has been the fact that we let up the big runs every now and than, but we stop their runs more than give up those big runs. Yes, we gave up more big runs than the entire league, and thats a problem. Like I said, we give up the big runs every now and than, but I find that we stop the runs pretty dang well more often than letting off the big ones. its not like we give up 5+ yards a play (which by the end of a game, can be skewed if a guy like Chris Johnson get a 70+ yard play…..).
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
Only because we have a good DL. The fact that things aren't worse doesn't excuse those things that are bad
S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
"I made a trade for Seymour. ..I thought it was a great trade. Still do. [Al Davis 1/2011]
"I love to win, even against my daughters, I want to win" Hue "Action" Jackson 8/19/11
by Sons-of-Blanda on Sep 5, 2011 9:13 PM PDT up reply actions
I know, and thats the reason why we stop runs more than letting up the random BIG one.
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
No, you're dead nuts right. It's so obvious to anyone with working eyeballs. I hope it's not Grove's foot speed that's
blinding the “organization” because speed means nothing when a man takes horrible angles, can’t tackle for shit, hasn’t a clue where the ball is, get consistently blocked out of play, and gets in the way of men trying to do their job.
S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
"I made a trade for Seymour. ..I thought it was a great trade. Still do. [Al Davis 1/2011]
"I love to win, even against my daughters, I want to win" Hue "Action" Jackson 8/19/11
by Sons-of-Blanda on Sep 4, 2011 3:08 PM PDT up reply actions
+12.3
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
Adibi gone. Raiders tried to get him
AdamSchefter Adam Schefter
Minnesota claimed former Texans LB Xavier Adibi off waivers today. Raiders also put in claim, but Vikings had priority.
"Weakness on both sides is, as we know, the motto of all quarrels." -Voltaire
Adam Schefter tweeted...
“Minnesota claimed former Texans LB Xavier Adibi off waivers today. Raiders also put in claim, but Vikings had priority.” so we didnt get him, but its a sign their looking for LB help, which is a good thing.
someone call channing crowder out of retirement
Success is not measuredby what you accomplish, but by the opposition you have encountered, and the courage with which you have maintained the struggle against overwhelming odds...
-Orison Swett Marden
He's at least better than Davis and Blackstock.
"You're all like big, fat failure turtles." - Edge
by Rated-R Superstar on Sep 4, 2011 2:27 PM PDT up reply actions
im all for it. lol
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
let Al call him
Al can talk almost any player into the silver and black
by Marcofromda510 on Sep 4, 2011 2:31 PM PDT up reply actions
He's light years better than Groves and probably better than Wimbley
S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
"I made a trade for Seymour. ..I thought it was a great trade. Still do. [Al Davis 1/2011]
"I love to win, even against my daughters, I want to win" Hue "Action" Jackson 8/19/11
by Sons-of-Blanda on Sep 4, 2011 2:31 PM PDT up reply actions
+1
my thought exactly
Success is not measuredby what you accomplish, but by the opposition you have encountered, and the courage with which you have maintained the struggle against overwhelming odds...
-Orison Swett Marden
imo
we shud be all over peterson
Success is not measuredby what you accomplish, but by the opposition you have encountered, and the courage with which you have maintained the struggle against overwhelming odds...
-Orison Swett Marden
I agree
He played in the same amount of games as Groves, only started 2 more than him, and had twice as many tackles. Tackles don’t tell the whole story, but it just goes to show that he was in way more plays than Groves was in for us. Mike Mitchell would be a better option at OLB than Groves.
Walter McFadden is arguably better than Groves
S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
"I made a trade for Seymour. ..I thought it was a great trade. Still do. [Al Davis 1/2011]
"I love to win, even against my daughters, I want to win" Hue "Action" Jackson 8/19/11
by Sons-of-Blanda on Sep 4, 2011 3:11 PM PDT up reply actions
Exactly
How can they not see that a guy like Peterson who is sitting out there is much better than Groves? Doubling Groves production in the same amount of games says it all.
Hiram Eugene, who was injured in the 1st preseason game has 75% of the tackles Groves had in 4 games
S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
"I made a trade for Seymour. ..I thought it was a great trade. Still do. [Al Davis 1/2011]
"I love to win, even against my daughters, I want to win" Hue "Action" Jackson 8/19/11
by Sons-of-Blanda on Sep 4, 2011 3:18 PM PDT up reply actions
perhaps more snaps than anyone in preseason
S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
"I made a trade for Seymour. ..I thought it was a great trade. Still do. [Al Davis 1/2011]
"I love to win, even against my daughters, I want to win" Hue "Action" Jackson 8/19/11
by Sons-of-Blanda on Sep 4, 2011 3:22 PM PDT up reply actions
the best reps
are the live ones, why not let him try to work on his technique against the 2nd and 3rd stringers in preseaon, that’s why we have it right?
by Marcofromda510 on Sep 4, 2011 3:25 PM PDT up reply actions
point taken
but u cant progress without doing. Gotta start somewhere, for better or for worse….he’s the best we got for now. They are looking at LBs so its not like he’s a permenate starter. More of a band aide type of solution til we find a better replacement. As for Peterson, there’s probably health concerns about him, or he would of been signed already by someone.
by Marcofromda510 on Sep 4, 2011 3:29 PM PDT up reply actions
But he was a starter last year. What makes you comfortable that he is only a 'bandaid' now?
Hue said that it wouldn’t surprise him if the present roster was what we had for the opening. I guarantee you that we are dangerously weak at WOLB and if nothing is done and we are exploited because of Groves, I will crucify Hue, as much as I like him.
S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
"I made a trade for Seymour. ..I thought it was a great trade. Still do. [Al Davis 1/2011]
"I love to win, even against my daughters, I want to win" Hue "Action" Jackson 8/19/11
by Sons-of-Blanda on Sep 4, 2011 3:53 PM PDT up reply actions
sometimes
u gotta grab a paper towel and duct tape. Hue is working with what he gots. But theres not to many better options. Numbers are nice, but doesnt garentee automatic production for us. Probably should of been more agressive on getting a WLB but it is what it is. Cant really throw Groves under the bus if you got nothing better. Last thing we need is Groves to lose confidence and him play at a lower level. Maybe we tweaked our defensive scheme so he wont be a big liability on defence? We have been keepin the schemes vanilla all preseason.
by Marcofromda510 on Sep 4, 2011 4:01 PM PDT up reply actions
Did you feel the same way about Jamarcus? That to oppose his playing is
throwing him under the bus? No, allowing a clear and present danger to persist without speaking out is unconscionable. Compared to my love for the Raiders I would throw Hue under the bus first.
S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
"I made a trade for Seymour. ..I thought it was a great trade. Still do. [Al Davis 1/2011]
"I love to win, even against my daughters, I want to win" Hue "Action" Jackson 8/19/11
by Sons-of-Blanda on Sep 4, 2011 4:31 PM PDT up reply actions
I got you
I just think that its too late to find a better option. Unless we some how pull off a trade for briggs, our next best option is to tweak the scheme where we wont get exposed due to his play. Maybe he grows into the position as the season progess, as its his 2nd year in it.
by Marcofromda510 on Sep 4, 2011 4:45 PM PDT up reply actions
PETERSON IS AVAILABLE????
Get him now!!!! He ish good although old…..
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
He had a decent season last year too
Peterson
15 games
14 starts
56 total tackles
27 assisted
83 combined
Groves
15 games
12 starts
29 total tackles
11 assisted
40 combined
Did you guys hear about this?
RICHMOND, Texas — A man has been found dead at the bottom of the swimming pool at the home of Houston Texans defensive end Antonio Smith.
Read the full story here http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/6930734/police-investigating-drowning-home-antonio-smith
Clippers own staples center!!!
saw it on pft
it was a family friend, sounds like it was a party but i didnt check out the whole thing
by Marcofromda510 on Sep 4, 2011 2:38 PM PDT up reply actions
Too bad, if he played LB he might have replaced Groves
S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
"I made a trade for Seymour. ..I thought it was a great trade. Still do. [Al Davis 1/2011]
"I love to win, even against my daughters, I want to win" Hue "Action" Jackson 8/19/11
by Sons-of-Blanda on Sep 4, 2011 2:45 PM PDT up reply actions
Adam schector tweet
Minnesota claimed former Texans LB Xavier Adibi off waivers today. Raiders also put in claim, but Vikings had priority.
by samiam2112 on Sep 4, 2011 2:35 PM PDT via iPhone app reply actions
Corkran tweeted this.
Coach Jackson says the offensive line is set, with Jared Veldheer, Stefen Wisniewski, Samson Satele, Cooper Carlisle and Khalif Barnes.
"You're all like big, fat failure turtles." - Edge
by Rated-R Superstar on Sep 4, 2011 2:36 PM PDT reply actions
I hope.
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
That would be Great
S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
"I made a trade for Seymour. ..I thought it was a great trade. Still do. [Al Davis 1/2011]
"I love to win, even against my daughters, I want to win" Hue "Action" Jackson 8/19/11
by Sons-of-Blanda on Sep 4, 2011 2:46 PM PDT up reply actions
Unfortunately, Barksdale will not replace Barnes this season.
At the very least, Barksdale is a victim of the lockout. What I really suspect is that Barksdale is an unseasoned rookie who simply needs more time. It is extremely rare for any team to play 2 rookies on the OL.
I respect what you say but you are saying that he automatically is incapable of developing.
Wiz is starting. To say that either BC or Barks will not break through seems a bit rigid in your thinking. You might be right but I will not hold it as god’s football law. I am hoping to have 3 rookies start as incredible as it seems. These players have talent and I believe possess the potential to break into the line. Particularly for BC, I don’t want him sitting behind Carlisle for another entire year. Just think how much more seasoned our line will be next year if these guys played this year. If BC would have been given more playing time last year, there’s no doubt in my mind he would be playing now instead of Carlisle.
Who said anything about B. Campbell?
I think Campbell’s early camp injury is the only thing that kept him out of the starting lineup. Campbell is NOT a rookie and might supplant Carlisle even before our bye week.
Barksdale is a rookie, and unfortunately K. Barnes will either (a) need to play poorly or (b) get injured for Barksdale to play. Even then, it’s not entirely clear that S. Heyer would not supplant Barnes at RT.
My bad on BC, just meant to say Barks at that point.
I was kind of looking at BC as being a “2nd year rookie” since he only played special teams and not at his position on the line in his first year, which is why I mentioned him.
Did he actually say that?!
S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
"I made a trade for Seymour. ..I thought it was a great trade. Still do. [Al Davis 1/2011]
"I love to win, even against my daughters, I want to win" Hue "Action" Jackson 8/19/11
by Sons-of-Blanda on Sep 4, 2011 2:47 PM PDT up reply actions
I mean in that context. I know Hue said he trusted Shame earlier this season (probably diffusing the Cable loyalty thing)
S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
"I made a trade for Seymour. ..I thought it was a great trade. Still do. [Al Davis 1/2011]
"I love to win, even against my daughters, I want to win" Hue "Action" Jackson 8/19/11
by Sons-of-Blanda on Sep 4, 2011 2:48 PM PDT up reply actions
Our defense is not deep at all outside of the D-line
They should be trying to claim/sign more guys for depth or even to start (see Groves).
Emergency No. 3 QB is P Shane Lechler. “I trust him,” Hue said. … Shane does throw a pretty ball
Punter Shane Lechler is the No. 3 quarterback for now, coach Jackson said. Lechler played the position in high school. Throws a nice ball.
Both are tweets from @Corkonnfl
He must be joking
S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
"I made a trade for Seymour. ..I thought it was a great trade. Still do. [Al Davis 1/2011]
"I love to win, even against my daughters, I want to win" Hue "Action" Jackson 8/19/11
by Sons-of-Blanda on Sep 4, 2011 3:11 PM PDT up reply actions
I think
he’s just giving the company line for now, reading between the lines, it looks like their banking on pryor’s appeal to be successful. Reading around online(PFT and twitter) it sounds very realistic.
by Marcofromda510 on Sep 4, 2011 3:14 PM PDT up reply actions
Another in a long line of mushroom feaders
S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
"I made a trade for Seymour. ..I thought it was a great trade. Still do. [Al Davis 1/2011]
"I love to win, even against my daughters, I want to win" Hue "Action" Jackson 8/19/11
by Sons-of-Blanda on Sep 4, 2011 3:17 PM PDT up reply actions
somebody must be reading George Blanda autobiography at night. While higher than a kite being flown by Zeus.
Wasn't exactly an 'autobiography' it was written by Wells Twombly (hopelessly infatuated with Blanda and rather a syncophant)
S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
"I made a trade for Seymour. ..I thought it was a great trade. Still do. [Al Davis 1/2011]
"I love to win, even against my daughters, I want to win" Hue "Action" Jackson 8/19/11
by Sons-of-Blanda on Sep 4, 2011 3:20 PM PDT up reply actions
wouldnt it be fitting
if lechler had to play QB, he played great. He looked up to george and was sadden when he passed away. Seabass looked up to him too
by Marcofromda510 on Sep 4, 2011 3:23 PM PDT up reply actions
more of thought really
chances of it happening are probably slim to none, its a fun thought though, didnt get to see blanda play, would of been cool to see lechler follow in his steps.
by Marcofromda510 on Sep 4, 2011 3:37 PM PDT up reply actions
Blanda was the coolest dude ever, the essence of clutch - nerves of steel
S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
"I made a trade for Seymour. ..I thought it was a great trade. Still do. [Al Davis 1/2011]
"I love to win, even against my daughters, I want to win" Hue "Action" Jackson 8/19/11
by Sons-of-Blanda on Sep 4, 2011 3:55 PM PDT up reply actions
Will Allen and Joselio Hanson still haven't been signed yet.
"You're all like big, fat failure turtles." - Edge
by Rated-R Superstar on Sep 4, 2011 3:11 PM PDT reply actions
Hanson is definitely the best cornerback available and would make for a solid number three on just about any team.
Whether or not he fits the Raiders’ system is something I don’t know.
"You're all like big, fat failure turtles." - Edge
by Rated-R Superstar on Sep 4, 2011 3:13 PM PDT up reply actions
i think the eagles
play a lil bit of everything, Ran a lot of zone blitz under their old D cordinator(I forgot his name, but he passed away a few years ago) and I think their playing more man now. Could be wrong, but thats how I understand it.
by Marcofromda510 on Sep 4, 2011 3:16 PM PDT up reply actions
They're a zone team.
Asante samuel is pretty much a zone CB anyways, so it fits. lol
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
for now
he was almost traded, they signed nnamdi and traded for DRC and both are man corners. Philly is very deep at CB now.
by Marcofromda510 on Sep 4, 2011 3:21 PM PDT up reply actions
Nnamdi is a zone corner too. he is pretty damn versatile.
It remains to be seen if rodgers cromartie does good. I don’t know if arizona is a man or zone team. or both.
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
I dont know for sure
Ill have to check with a philly fan next chance i get. eagles will be fun to watch this year though, just from a fan of football perspective.
by Marcofromda510 on Sep 4, 2011 3:31 PM PDT up reply actions
yeah. on paper they should be fun though.
I still think they are overrated in a way. Big names don’t matter until they play like a team.
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
its all on ried
if he can keep egos under control and have them play as a team, they can do something. It reminds me of the redskins signing big name players to huge contracts and getting nothing in return. Philly actually has players who will produce, But if they want to go to the superbowl AND win, they will probably have to wait a year or 2. Team chemisty is more important then some people realize. And I am very happy to say, we finally have that here in Oakland.
by Marcofromda510 on Sep 4, 2011 3:41 PM PDT up reply actions
meh. noot yet. This year will tell me how our team chemistry is imo.
so far we have one year going for us.
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
Tommy Kelly did an online chat...
someone asked about team chemisty, he said this is the closest team has ever been. They dont have to worry about steppin on any toes. Take it with a grain of salt, but overall im optimistic about it. But your right, we will have a better idea once the season starts.
by Marcofromda510 on Sep 4, 2011 3:47 PM PDT up reply actions
yeah. I'd be lying if I didn't say I was optimistic as well. lol
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
overall
i think we have a team of good people. No one is really a trouble maker or loud arragant knuckle head. First time we can say that in a while.
by Marcofromda510 on Sep 4, 2011 3:54 PM PDT up reply actions
yep.
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
if it werent for
the rape charges, i would of liked us to look at perrish cox, but we dont need character like that on the team.
by Marcofromda510 on Sep 4, 2011 4:06 PM PDT up reply actions
Brian Waters. Brian Waters. Brian Bloody Waters.
Why oh why have we let him escape?
Would have provided the leadership we need on the OL, would have been a significant upgrade, immediate starter and created more options for us.
Hasn't anyone picked him up?
If not, you gotta think there’s something physically wrong with him, at least for the time being.
He’s too big of a name to not get signed w/anyone unless he’s hurt and/or overweight.
And I’d guess the same about Tatupu as well.
by Brett J Valjalo on Sep 5, 2011 10:14 AM PDT up reply actions
New England got him.
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
Indeed.
He’s been available for a number of weeks and the fact the NE picked him up just emphasises what a good acquisition he would have been. Him and Wiz would have been a great tandem at guard.
by animal_mutha on Sep 5, 2011 12:29 PM PDT up reply actions
NE makes mistakes as well.
Maybe Waters will do bad this year. idk
Chief fans liked him, so Im surprised the raiders didnt want him. maybe because he WAS a chief. lol
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
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