Oakland Raider News: Hue Jackson Has Been Fired
by Raymond St. Martin (Saint) on Jan 10, 2012 10:55 AM PST
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WOW................
I loved Hues attitude and how he turned our offense around too bad we couldnt get a decent DC to help him out. I hope we can get a big name coach in here because thats what its going to take to make this enen remotely look like a good decision.
Just awful news
I know we’re turning a page with the death of Mr. Davis. But look at what Hue did with this offense. I wonder what led to this. Really shocked and disappointed.
It's simple
He was way over his head. He couldn’t even manage the damn clock and that’s just the glaring and obvious shit. Behind the scenes he was probably worse.
Not really, the GM wants his guys. Hue was an Al pick. We might as well really start fresh.
We will play less man next year too. And switch to a 3-4 a source tells me.
Al davis defensive shcheme is out through the window.
The RaiderLaker
Down with the predictable defenses
I welcome many changes to our defensive structure.
"Today I step into the shoes of a great man, a man by the name of Dwayne Elizondo Mountain Dew Herbert Camacho."
by S Jay Bruin on Jan 10, 2012 11:26 AM PST up reply actions
We don't have the roster for a 3-4 and not many picks to make that siwtch...it'd be really tough this season
You know what would make a good story? Something about a clown who makes people happy, but inside he's real sad. Also, he has severe diarrhea.
by Buster Bluth on Jan 10, 2012 11:48 AM PST up reply actions
So dumb
We missed the playoffs cause JC and DMC were hurt, Hue wasnt great but he wasnt bad and it wasnt fully his fault. The CP trade sucked but it wasnt the main reason for our fall. We cant keep firing coaches like this
RIP Al Davis
Well, hopefully it's a coach with a good track record, no more rooks.
"Bad is Back, thanks be to the Antichrist" - George Atkinson
What's stability?
You know what would make a good story? Something about a clown who makes people happy, but inside he's real sad. Also, he has severe diarrhea.
by Buster Bluth on Jan 10, 2012 11:48 AM PST up reply actions
That's his point.
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by ROFLCOPTER16 on Jan 10, 2012 11:48 AM PST up reply actions
What is Palmers future now? Hue Jackson was one of the few guys who believed in him.
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Can you find the 'W' in this mess? Tebow can.
Palmer will stay
He was not the main problem. I do like the idea of bringing Gruden back, though. Read it here first…..
“Chucky Redux!”
"You're early, but hang around; we'll have a fight for you sooner or later."
-John "Blue Moon" Odom
Chucky is my fav coach, but I'm a Bronco fan. So I wouldn't likey.
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Can you find the 'W' in this mess? Tebow can.
Man you guys keep riding that Tebow Train!
What a game that was on Sunday…..unbelievable.
"You're early, but hang around; we'll have a fight for you sooner or later."
-John "Blue Moon" Odom
For the first time ever, he actually played like a good Qb.
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Can you find the 'W' in this mess? Tebow can.
Still 50% completion.
That steelers D looked like ours.
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by ROFLCOPTER16 on Jan 10, 2012 11:41 AM PST up reply actions
a drop here, a drop there and the percentage is different.
point is he looked really good.
366 total yards.
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Can you find the 'W' in this mess? Tebow can.
Yeah, cuz firing a head coach every year is gonna make the position attractive.
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by ROFLCOPTER16 on Jan 10, 2012 11:08 AM PST up reply actions
Future is looking bright?
What future? We dont even have a HC! We may lose Al Saunders too, bring in a new O guy, a new O system for our 32 year old QB to learn….yeah future is looking oh so bright
by Raider Roy on Jan 10, 2012 11:11 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
+1.
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by ROFLCOPTER16 on Jan 10, 2012 11:11 AM PST up reply actions
Never said I was happy with 8-8, moron.
But with all the shit that went on we were lucky to get that. A remotely healthy team would have done far better.
And firing a coach after one year and all the difficulties this team went through does not make this position attractive.
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by ROFLCOPTER16 on Jan 10, 2012 11:19 AM PST up reply actions
This team was making progress...
Now we start over, we’ll be lucky to be 8-8 next season with games against the Steelers, Ravens, Saints, Falcons….this is not what we needed, we had a good Offense, just needed some D and we were good to go…
Dumb shit, it's all about continuity. Successful HC are rarely 1st year one hit wonders that take you to the Super Bowl in their 1st year.
The RaiderLaker
by JaggerJaw on Jan 10, 2012 11:24 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Shhhh
You’re making sense.
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by ROFLCOPTER16 on Jan 10, 2012 11:25 AM PST up reply actions
not even close
Reports that Hue lost the team, Is not what you want in a HC. Would you prefer to keep Hue 1 more year ,find out things are not good and then change him next year. ESPN would start beating the lame duck HC right away.Also if Hue had a direct line in his contract to Mark as reported Then as Reg I would want that loop hole closed…you need cohesiveness not division, Changing coaches now likely saves us a year.
by Canadian Raider on Jan 10, 2012 11:41 AM PST up reply actions
Wow this is too bad guys...
I know I’m a Chiefs fan but our rivalry is one of my favorite in the NFL….unfortunately our organizations can’t seem to get their heads on straight.
Arrowhead pride addict
It sucks doesnt it?
After last season i thought we were going back to the AFL days when the Raiders n Chiefs dominated and had a great rivalry….so much for that…
What do you mean
You guys did the right thing keeping Crennel. I though Haley was a good coach, but Romeo ought to do fine.
Big debate about looking at Jackson as an OC over at AP
What’s your take on him as an OC?
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
I am the Master of Hyperenthetical Asiditry (you know, like this. Only more)
It's going to depend on the pieces he has in place.
KC would be an appealing situation because of Charles and Bowe and Baldwin and Moeaki. The unsettled QB situation could be troublesome since he proved to have issues with it with Campbell and Grad in 2010 and when Campbell got hurt in 2011.
His mentality and risk taking seem s to fly in the face of the Parcells-ian mentality of running ball and playing defense, but with the right QB even Parcells’ DC has bought into the pass-first mentality and gutted his defense to keep Brady chucking on all cylinders.
KC could do worse in an OC, though.
we never retreat we always ATTACK!!!
by transparent58 on Jan 10, 2012 11:33 PM PST up reply actions
I think the right thing was to keep Crennel...
I didn’t think Haley should have been fired…I think to build a winner you have to be consistent…Hopefully we bring in a capable OC….for it to be rivalry both team have to be dominant…
Arrowhead pride addict
by groundedchevy on Jan 10, 2012 11:28 AM PST up reply actions
I'm surprised
It sounded like people at AP were most or less unanimous that Haley should go. I didn’t really understand why, but it was suggested he wasn’t getting along with Pioli.
Yeah most of AP seemed to want him gone...
Especially after the win against the Packers. I think if Orton wouldn’t have hurt his finger Haley would still be our coach. At the same time there were reports that Pioli wanted to fire Haley after last years playoff game. If we would have had a full offseason it might have happened.
Arrowhead pride addict
by groundedchevy on Jan 10, 2012 11:38 AM PST up reply actions
Some decisions on who gets playing time
As well as the play calling.
And the fact that every time we lost we got KILLED. Lot of things added up.
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
I am the Master of Hyperenthetical Asiditry (you know, like this. Only more)
Haley was terrible as a HC
and I’m not sold on him as an OC, either. He received the “genius” tag in the same fashion Martz did, and both were because of a couple great seasons by Kurt Warner and some great talent on offense. I could have been Arizona’s OC on that run to the Super Bowl and it wouldn’t have made a difference. Warner was just that zoned in with Boldin and Fitz.
we never retreat we always ATTACK!!!
by transparent58 on Jan 10, 2012 11:36 PM PST up reply actions
[Moan]
More turnover.
They had damn well hire Gruden or Cowher or someone like that. Really, turnover is not good for a team.
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Good
Now we go after Fisher like I predicted we would.
+1
"Bad is Back, thanks be to the Antichrist" - George Atkinson
by Ghost Raider on Jan 10, 2012 11:13 AM PST up reply actions
There probably some behind the scenes stuff that Hugh did after Al died and it pissed the league and Mark off.
I'm so happy !!!!
Now we can get a real coach and wash our hands of Mike Singeltary
I’m looking at the glass half full.
1. Might finally have the front office and coaching staffs working on the same page.
2. Possibly improves the chances of Campbell possibly coming back.
The Artist Formerly Known as CP2Devil.
Associate Editor at Five For Howling.
Last I checked I wasn’t. What is your issue/s with Campbell? He looked good prior to getting hurt and much less likely to throw picks than Palmer.
The Artist Formerly Known as CP2Devil.
Associate Editor at Five For Howling.
by Carl Putnam on Jan 10, 2012 11:46 AM PST up reply actions
He also missed wide-open WRS like clockwork
And played catch with the Pat’s nose tackle.
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by ROFLCOPTER16 on Jan 10, 2012 11:47 AM PST up reply actions
I didn’t say the guy was Tom Brady. He’s an average QB. However, with the Raiders running game, WRs, and special teams that is all they should need. They just need a QB who makes smart decisions. They won 4 of the 6 games Campbell started and one of the losses was totally on the defense (Bills game). I don’t care if the QB makes it pretty. I care that he doesn’t cost the team. Campbell had a slightly better QB rating than Palmer in part because he threw more TD’s than picks.
The Artist Formerly Known as CP2Devil.
Associate Editor at Five For Howling.
by Carl Putnam on Jan 10, 2012 11:56 AM PST up reply actions
Get rid of every caoch on the team
Blow it up and start over
Cork
Look for Reggie McKenzie to bring in former #Raiders linebacker Winston Moss to replace the fired Hue Jackson as new head coach.
just what we need. ugh
"Bad is Back, thanks be to the Antichrist" - George Atkinson
Philbin the GB OC
is a possibility only problem is, their OFF. is West Coast and Palmer is not that type of QB, meaning possible trade? two 2nds and a 3rd? doubt it, but we will c, expext full re do of team and contracts and coaches
That wouldn't be too bad
"Bad is Back, thanks be to the Antichrist" - George Atkinson
by Ghost Raider on Jan 10, 2012 11:17 AM PST up reply actions
New Beginnings
Hoooray!!! A new regime and a new start in Oakland, time to move into a new era. Awesome move.
Not sure I agree with this move
I thought he deserved another year. I think the coaching position is a more attractive one without Al Davis, but without draft picks and up against the cap, I’m still not sure we can get a top flight coach to put his staple on. I’m tired of rebuilding and I’m not sure we needed a complete overhaul. Thought if Hue Jackson would have made better decisions in terms of game management, and overall sense of self worth, but got to give it to the new boss. Making this kind of statement right away is bold, and I hope it works out in terms of better overall quality of coaching, discipline and game management.
"Today I step into the shoes of a great man, a man by the name of Dwayne Elizondo Mountain Dew Herbert Camacho."
It can only get better...............
you can’t fall down anymore than we already were.
people
like you are the reason i seldomly post on here.
by RAIDER_FAN15 on Jan 10, 2012 11:21 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Posts like this
Are the reason nobody cares
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by Ozraider on Jan 10, 2012 1:34 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Have you ever watched Pryor play?
I didn’t think so………..
You do realize anybody but Palmer includes Boller?
Who is essentially Palmer without the pretty 60 yard throws.
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by ROFLCOPTER16 on Jan 10, 2012 11:23 AM PST up reply actions
Flynn will command a huge price tag, too.
Dumbass.
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by ROFLCOPTER16 on Jan 10, 2012 11:26 AM PST up reply actions
thats
the same thing people said about campbell…..Then this year it changed. Palmer threw for more yards and tds than campbell did in 16 games last year.
by RAIDER_FAN15 on Jan 10, 2012 11:24 AM PST up reply actions
Once.
He false started on a QB draw.
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by ROFLCOPTER16 on Jan 10, 2012 11:23 AM PST up reply actions
1 play is all the coaches felt comfortable giving him
apparently, and they watched him every day.
"Today I step into the shoes of a great man, a man by the name of Dwayne Elizondo Mountain Dew Herbert Camacho."
by S Jay Bruin on Jan 10, 2012 11:28 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Saunders? Sanjay?
They ain’t been fired.
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by ROFLCOPTER16 on Jan 10, 2012 11:33 AM PST up reply actions
Jackson & Saunders are good enough offensive coaches
to know whether they would have had a player or not. They obviously didn’t trust him in any capacity as a player. We shall see if the new boss thinks so.
"Today I step into the shoes of a great man, a man by the name of Dwayne Elizondo Mountain Dew Herbert Camacho."
by S Jay Bruin on Jan 10, 2012 11:36 AM PST up reply actions
Granted, Palmer was the golden boy and Pryor at that point didnt know the playbook
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by ROFLCOPTER16 on Jan 10, 2012 11:37 AM PST up reply actions
This
team has the talent to win 10-11 games each year without the need for picks…ITs coaching and Hue Proved that with the Off, now we need a DC to prove that with our D
*without injuries.
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by ROFLCOPTER16 on Jan 10, 2012 11:21 AM PST up reply actions
Panda is to blame for that, as Hue was an offense-focused HC.
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by ROFLCOPTER16 on Jan 10, 2012 11:27 AM PST up reply actions
I know, that was the point I was trying to make
Clearly I failed. I’m sad to see Hue go. Think he got a raw deal.
oh.
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by ROFLCOPTER16 on Jan 10, 2012 11:29 AM PST up reply actions
We're coming full circle possibly
Moss, the Packers’ linebackers coach since 2006, interviewed for the Raiders’ vacant head-coach position in 2009, but the job went to Tom Cable.
3 head coaches in 3 years
Fuckin rad Reginald. You better have a good plan bud. I know Hue wasn’t perfect but no rookie coach has ever dealt with what he had to. I feel for Hue cuz he seemed to be a Raider to the core. Either way Go RAIDERS
by Phuck denver on Jan 10, 2012 11:20 AM PST via mobile reply actions
I'm fine with this decision
While Hue was good for our offense, it seemed like he was overwhelmed as a head coach because he tried to do too much. I mean we set a record for penalties this year. It is the head coaches job to make sure players don’t take stupid penalties (take them out so they learn their lesson) but Hue never seemed to address it or the players didn’t listen to him. Our penalties killed our drives and extended the other teams drives.
Hue’s play calling got bland and predictable in games where we built up an early lead even to the point where I knew what play they were going to run. Case in point, the bills game. It seemed like he was never able to make the half time adjustments. While our defense was bad I also thought our offense didn’t do them any favors by having too many 3 and outs in games we had leads in.
Then look at how many times we had to burn timeouts because there was confusion over what play was being called.
I think this is why McKenzie fired him. He wants and needs to change the culture of the team. And that starts with Hue.
His playcalling didn't protect our suspect defense
Going for bombs on 3rd or 4th and short, or passing on field goals in automatic situations, or taking timeouts a wrong times didn’t help our defense. We needed more ball control and overall game management.
"Today I step into the shoes of a great man, a man by the name of Dwayne Elizondo Mountain Dew Herbert Camacho."
by S Jay Bruin on Jan 10, 2012 11:30 AM PST up reply actions
injuries to everyone on offense didnt help playcalling
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by ROFLCOPTER16 on Jan 10, 2012 11:31 AM PST up reply actions
Twitter is on fire too
@MikeSilver Michael Silver
I am not quarreling with the notion that a GM can hire his own coach. I’m saying McKenzie was wrong to fire THIS coach. Got it, everyone?
We are really seeing who wants the team to be good and who is just a negative dumbass
If Moss is brought in, I will be really dissapointed in how McKenzie started off by playing favorites. This is ugly dissapointing news and this will set us back, no stability, new system for a QB that was established with his system, we have no stability and now snce Palmer probably wont work in a new system its either back to mediocre with Campbell, gambling with Pryor or bringing in a bum. By mediocre I mean not winning it all, Campbell can lead us to the PlayOffs but he doesnt have that ’’it’’ that Palmer has that is a MOST if you want to win a SB. I am dissapointed and worried, who are we bringing in at HC too? If McKenzie is playng favorites we will bring in Moss, who is NOT ready to be HC, and if he isnt he will have to battle it out for Cowher cause Gruden just re-signed with ESPN, he aint comming back
I liked Hue
but if he lost the room he had to go…..
by Canadian Raider on Jan 10, 2012 11:25 AM PST reply actions
+1
Amen! The entire team knew there was no reprocussions for mistakes. Hue said ALL YEAR that they were going to address penalties.. and NOTHING. He had some great contributions, but he was liek your favorite uncle watching you for the weekend- you KNEW you were gonna get away with murder!
Now that Al is gone (RIP), there are a LOT MORE coaches that will consider this job!
by Joesickness on Jan 10, 2012 11:27 AM PST up reply actions
If it's true
I’ll reserve judgment until I know who the replacement will be. If it’s Winston Moss, I’ll be pissed. I don’t want Hue replaced by another rookie HC, especially after all the crap Hue got handed this year. I’m going to stay hopeful, but I really felt that Hue deserved another chance.
I
agree HUE should have stayed, but we cant do anything but sit back and watch.
this should be a relief, not a worry
should be obvious, Jackson brought too much melodrama and too little solid, consistent work. When Davis passed he was way over his head and tried to bluster his way through it. A head coach need organizational and planning skills another level beyond an offensive coordinator ; many coordinators who get their chance to be boss end up mediocre, which is probably how McKenzie saw things would go under Jackson. Anyone who really thinks he was championship calibre has a superficial understanding of how competitive/demanding it gets at the very top ; we can’t see what goes on in the practices and coaches’ meetings and scouting sessions, but Jackson didn’t appear to have the level of focus to back up his words, and he was careless with his words in public regarding his players.
Music is the Healing Force of the Universe (a.ayler)
Not a terrible thing
He’s a great player, but the decline NE feared is kicking in and he’s eating up a huge chunk of our cap space.
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by ROFLCOPTER16 on Jan 10, 2012 11:29 AM PST up reply actions
Plus, he had a lot of personal foul penalties that extended drive.
I like him a lot, but wouldn’t be that upset to see him go at this point.
so let's get him to restructure the contract and make him take a pay cut? He'll end up in San Diego next year!!!
Every man for himself...
I wouldn't be disappointed if we kept him as long as he restructured.
But paying him 12 mil next year is not going to make me happy.
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by ROFLCOPTER16 on Jan 10, 2012 11:32 AM PST up reply actions
But it pretty much HAD to be expected-
A new GM is going to want his own support system, and after all. Because we haven’t had Stability from the TOP down cant we at least TRY to see a positive from this? We haven’t had a top to bottom system in YEARS!
Yes
We had top to bottom suck.
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by ROFLCOPTER16 on Jan 10, 2012 11:31 AM PST up reply actions
I'm waiting on the replacement before I make my mind up.
If it’s Moss, I’ll be pretty pissed.
Depends on if we keep Saunders.
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by ROFLCOPTER16 on Jan 10, 2012 11:32 AM PST up reply actions
I feel like we have to for at least some consistency into next year
Because there’s no way ever defensive coach isn’t fired at this point.
I don't care if we have Moss as HC
as long as most of the O stays.
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by ROFLCOPTER16 on Jan 10, 2012 11:35 AM PST up reply actions
Winston Moss will be the OC, DC and McKenzie will order Krispy Kreme and call it good!
Every man for himself...
So we're rebuilding like the A's? Trade McFadden, Palmer, Seymour, McClain for picks??
Every man for himself...
DMC, no.
McClain, maybe. Seymour . . . meh. REstructure him.
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by ROFLCOPTER16 on Jan 10, 2012 11:33 AM PST up reply actions
And keep Palmner.
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by ROFLCOPTER16 on Jan 10, 2012 11:34 AM PST up reply actions
DMC gets payed by performance.
He gets like 1 mil flat, and bonuses for rushing yards.
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by ROFLCOPTER16 on Jan 10, 2012 11:35 AM PST up reply actions
Damn, Reggie ain't playin'.
Jackson told Comcast SportsNet Bay Area that he was shocked his friend, newly hired general manager Reggie McKenzie, fired him.
“He’s going to gut this place,” Jackson told CSN Bay Area.
“He (McKenzie) wants to bring in his own guys,” Jackson added. “No job is safe right now.”
"Bad is Back, thanks be to the Antichrist" - George Atkinson
WHOA.
For the love of god, at least keep Saunders and Sanjay.
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by ROFLCOPTER16 on Jan 10, 2012 11:34 AM PST up reply actions
Sanjay? Really? lol
You know what would make a good story? Something about a clown who makes people happy, but inside he's real sad. Also, he has severe diarrhea.
by Buster Bluth on Jan 10, 2012 11:53 AM PST up reply actions
That's poor judgement by Hue
He should be keeping his mouth shut, not spreading fear. Even if true, that’s something he should be saying privately, not publicly.
@WorldBLee
And that's a big problem for him.
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by ROFLCOPTER16 on Jan 10, 2012 11:36 AM PST up reply actions
Yeah, I agree
Not the level of decision making you want to see in a guy who is a head coach.
@WorldBLee
No, he's being honest. He's mad he couldn't finish. People better step up now. Especially that D staff and players.
The RaiderLaker
But a HC?
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by ROFLCOPTER16 on Jan 10, 2012 11:44 AM PST up reply actions
Yes
But he still had a bit of a big mouth.
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by ROFLCOPTER16 on Jan 10, 2012 11:39 AM PST up reply actions
If that doesn't send a message to the players then nothing will
McKenzie is already a better motivator than Hue.
You know what would make a good story? Something about a clown who makes people happy, but inside he's real sad. Also, he has severe diarrhea.
by Buster Bluth on Jan 10, 2012 11:54 AM PST up reply actions
I'm wondering if Hue's attitude had more to do with this than his coaching
Hue shot his mouth off before the GM was hired about how he wanted to be in charge, and that may not have sat well with McKenzie. I don’t like change for change’s sake—if Hue is willing to learn he could have gotten better next season—but IF McKenzie is bringing in a better coach then I’m fine with it. It’s all about who will replace him. We saw the difference bringing a solid coach like Fox to Denver made for them—they went from awful to winning at least one playoff game.
@WorldBLee
Well, that was after Fox finally relented and put in Tebow.
Something he absolutely didn’t want to do at first.
I'd say it was more after Fox's defense started clicking
Coinciding with the starting of Tebow and giving opposing defenses something they were not ready to defend.
@WorldBLee
I think it's a little of both.
Tebow has that X-Factor that motivates guys to play above their ability at time.
I'm very skeptical of that
But it can’t be proven or disproven. What is clear is that they have a great running game and a strong defense—good enough for 8-8 with probably less talent than the Raiders have.
@WorldBLee
True that, and I'll admit I'm one of the few here who actually likes Tebow quite a lot.
So I’m biased for sure.
As a packer fan,
I don’t really know all that much about the way the raiders have functioned. I do know that a huge factor in the success of the Packers is the great relationship between Ted Thompson and Mike McCarthy. Jackson may not have been a bad coach. But if you want to win championships you have to do better than “not bad”. You have to have YOUR guy.
All is vanity.
I can't say. I don't think anyone can say.
When Thompson hired McCarthy I was kinda like, “WTF, this guy was in charge of the worst offense in the NFL last year.” Obviously Ted knew what he was doing.
All is vanity.
Does that mean we get Woodson back?
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by Raymond St. Martin (Saint) on Jan 10, 2012 12:13 PM PST up reply actions
Better than the Oakland Bengals, right?
Torty Craig, we hardly knew ye.
by KlausChadman on Jan 10, 2012 12:52 PM PST up reply actions
TRUE DAT!
"I'm not saying I'm gonna change the world, but I guarantee that I will spark the brain that will change the world." - Tupac Amaru Shakur
"The greatest hypnotist on the planet Earth is an oblong box in the corner in the room. It is constantly telling us what to believe is real. If you can persuade people that what they see with their eyes is what there is to see you've got them. Because they'll laugh in your face of an explanation then which portrays the big picture of what's happenin'
... and they have."
"Lots of people in America know that the system is fucked up. All of them know it. I think everybody in this country knows the government’s corrupt. They’re conscious of it, but they’re not gonna do a fucking thing about it. There are people that will, and me, I consider those people revolutionary"- Immortal Technique
by RaiderKilluminati on Jan 10, 2012 12:53 PM PST up reply actions
Man... Lost for words!
Starting over yet again… Still loyal to Oakland. Going to be an interesting off-season!
by drc84 on Jan 10, 2012 11:36 AM PST via mobile reply actions
Yeah, I'm with man
I thought we finally found a decent direction offensively and just needed to shore up the defensive side of things. I can’t handle rebuilding mode again, so I hope McKenzie knows what he’s doing.
How can any of this be worse than
a DECADE of NO playoff appearances? Everyone KNEW the Bronco’s were toast 7 weeks ago, right? The Raiders have been doing VERY LITTLE right for the last 4 years, and coaching has been the biggest issue. Maybe we should let someone with YEARS of NFL organizational expierence take a shot. And I’m sure Hue did say no job was safe- how many of those guys are known OUTSIDE of the organization for their coaching skill?
Scryed shut the fuck up
Im pretty sure you hate Palmer, you want to trade McFadden, you want to bring in 1000 expensive free agents and want to pay Bush like he is AP
LOL.
He’s on that Pryor Kool-aid.
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by ROFLCOPTER16 on Jan 10, 2012 11:40 AM PST up reply actions
We need to look at it this way, can we sacrifice 2 years of mediocrity for many many years of greatness?
I can.
"Bad is Back, thanks be to the Antichrist" - George Atkinson
If you can guarantee that greatness, fine.
Can you?
Caps lock is not cruise control for cool.
by ROFLCOPTER16 on Jan 10, 2012 11:40 AM PST up reply actions
Agreed. Right now McKenzie's an unproven GM
I’ll hope for the best, though.
+1
This organization was known for DECADES as a tough team that could take a win when they wanted. Now we are a stepping stone. Time to restore our values and traditions.
by Joesickness on Jan 10, 2012 11:41 AM PST up reply actions
Not guarantee, but with his track record it's an 80% feeling of confidence.
"Bad is Back, thanks be to the Antichrist" - George Atkinson
That's what really stings
Hue getting canned before Chuck is a slap in the face.
You mean Herrera, that bitch is gone too, print that.
"Bad is Back, thanks be to the Antichrist" - George Atkinson
by Ghost Raider on Jan 10, 2012 11:46 AM PST up reply actions
Chuck's contract is going to expire in the next couple of weeks
Why bother firing him?
You know what would make a good story? Something about a clown who makes people happy, but inside he's real sad. Also, he has severe diarrhea.
by Buster Bluth on Jan 10, 2012 11:56 AM PST up reply actions
DING DING
We have a winner.
Caps lock is not cruise control for cool.
by ROFLCOPTER16 on Jan 10, 2012 11:57 AM PST up reply actions
I thought Hue could have had another year
But I’m ok with this, depending on who the replacement is. Hue did not blow anyone away with his head coaching acumen. He ran a productive offense, but many NFL oc’s could do that with these weapons.
I just hope this does not create a locker room rift.
More grist for the “OMG WHAT ARE THE RAIDERS DOING” media.
by lchristmas on Jan 10, 2012 11:43 AM PST via mobile reply actions
I think we might get less of the media backlash
With this being perceived as coming from an ex-Packers guy rather than Al, who the media loved to hate. They only gave Al respect after he was dead, the bastids.
@WorldBLee
Right now Reggie is fumigating Alameda.
"Bad is Back, thanks be to the Antichrist" - George Atkinson
Caps lock is not cruise control for cool.
by ROFLCOPTER16 on Jan 10, 2012 11:46 AM PST up reply actions
Hue'll probably go be OC for someone else in the AFC West now
Just to see if he can spite McKenzie.
I see him going to the Jets
and reviving that offense and Sanchez. Even if it’s as the QB coach, he has a proven history…
we never retreat we always ATTACK!!!
by transparent58 on Jan 10, 2012 11:53 AM PST up reply actions
The Chiefs might also make sense
I would think they would be looking for someone with Crennel as coach.
"Today I step into the shoes of a great man, a man by the name of Dwayne Elizondo Mountain Dew Herbert Camacho."
by S Jay Bruin on Jan 10, 2012 11:54 AM PST up reply actions
Nah, I think Crennel sticks with who he has
Muir actually did some decent things with Orton at QB and the huge handcuff of Haley removed from his play calling.
we never retreat we always ATTACK!!!
by transparent58 on Jan 10, 2012 11:57 AM PST up reply actions
That would sting a bit...he'd do for Charles what he did for McFadden
You know what would make a good story? Something about a clown who makes people happy, but inside he's real sad. Also, he has severe diarrhea.
by Buster Bluth on Jan 10, 2012 11:57 AM PST up reply actions
Charles already has better career numbers than McFadden
and more Pro Bowls. KC needs to rebuild the OL, but Charles if he heals well will be very good for a while.
we never retreat we always ATTACK!!!
by transparent58 on Jan 10, 2012 12:00 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah, I could see that.
I’d say I could see the Niners, as their offense could use the boost, but I don’t see personnel changes after a 13-3 season.
I liked Hue, but...
Under his watch we blew 3 winnable games that cost us a playoff spot. Broke the NFL record for penalties and yards penalized. Mortgaged the future for a 32 year old semi-retired QB…. I like what he did with the offense but it wasnt enough to save his job.
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by Syphon on Jan 10, 2012 11:44 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
I also can't disagree with it.
I would have liked him to stay, but going 1-4 to miss the playoffs after that Palmer trade is damning. Even if I put way more blame on injuries and a terrible defense.
Injuries are hard to control
But the defense falls under the responsibilities of the HC to ensure the right pieces are in place. Hue did nothing to improve it.
@WorldBLee
Understood.
And I can’t really argue it. What’s done is done now so time to roll with it.
Everyone is running in those buildings, wow, a year ago Al was there and that was a family
Now Reggie has a fucking shotgun having fun killing anyone he finds
This is a "WHAT THE FUCK" kind of moment!
Smh
by drc84 on Jan 10, 2012 11:48 AM PST via mobile reply actions
This is like when a child gives up its pacifier. Sure it's comforting but you need to grow up.
"Bad is Back, thanks be to the Antichrist" - George Atkinson
The starting over was a given when Al Davis died
Mark Davis is not Al, but he relied on some of Al’s most trusted advisers like Ron Wolf to hire McKenzie. The whole organization is going to change, because there’s no Al Davis. I like Hue Jackson, and think he’s a helluva coach, but nearly every new GM brings in his own coach. McKenzie is no different, and while I think Hue earned another shot, I’m not surprised by this move. They probably didn’t mesh on personnel moves and philosophy, given what Hue does and where McKenzie is coming from.
Maybe we’ll start to see the continuity we’ve all been clamoring for with this regime. I know I’m going to give McKenzie some time to prove himself before questioning his ability to run this organization.
If Hue’s gone, I’m going to assume that the entire staff will be blown up and we’ll actually allow our Head Coach the chance to fill out his own staff for a change. Everyone’s on Winston Moss, but what about Dom Capers? He’s had success as a HC in Carolina, and we could see anyone off the Holmgren tree get a look, too. The Raiders are going to start doing business more like Green Bay, and given Green Bay’s success, I won’t argue with the formula until it fails. If we were going to pick an organization to emulate, it would have to be one of three or four: New England, New Orleans, Pittsburgh, or Green Bay. Green Bay makes sense because of the Ron Wolf connection.
This time next year, I think we’ll be singing a different tune, and we’ll have a clear direction to how this team will be built and maintained over the next decade.
You can’t make an omelet without breaking some eggs…
we never retreat we always ATTACK!!!
Dom for DC, sure, but not head coach
dunno why, just not feeling it for HC.
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And isn't it exciting?
"Bad is Back, thanks be to the Antichrist" - George Atkinson
by Ghost Raider on Jan 10, 2012 11:52 AM PST up reply actions
Not really
I’m still kinda numb after Sd.
Caps lock is not cruise control for cool.
by ROFLCOPTER16 on Jan 10, 2012 11:53 AM PST up reply actions
lol
That’s one word for it. Reggie better know wtf he’s doing and not just be throwing his weight around.
Mark Davis didn't just put pictures on a dart board
and randomly pick Reggie McKenzie. The guy was a key player in building Green Bay’s long term prospects. Let’s look back at every GM hiring in the NFL over the past 20 years and try to find how many times there weren’t wholesale changes to the coaching staff…
we never retreat we always ATTACK!!!
by transparent58 on Jan 10, 2012 11:56 AM PST up reply actions
It sure isn't boring.
I just hope it turns out to be the good kind of exciting.
Wow
so much for some continuity. But this is why you hired a GM. Don’t fully like he move but hopefully this isn’t the only cutting of bait that happens in the next few days. Let’s start trimming the fat on that roster. We start anew again…IN REGGIE WE TRUST!
by TheColdStareofDaveStewart on Jan 10, 2012 11:54 AM PST reply actions
I Hate the fact that Hue didn't get a 2nd chance..
After all the roller coaster of emotions this past season he never had his clear mind to just coach.. If mckenzie fired him I’m gonna giving the benefit of the doubt being the fact that we are all witness to what happenned to Green Bay after they decided to go with Rodgers instead of Favre.. And we all know how many packers fans that move pissed off, That’s my only consolation at this point..
by SinCityRaider on Jan 10, 2012 11:55 AM PST via mobile reply actions
READ ALL THESE TWEETS BY THIS GUY
https://twitter.com/#!/HenryWoffordCSN
Has conversation by Hue jackson and Reggie NOT GOOD
Especially this one
@HenryWoffordCSN Henry Wofford
What makes him even more upset, is that Hue said Reggie McKenzie did not feel what he was saying,coach said “He’s going to gut this place.”
Stupid move the only way this looks good is if we get gruden or cowher
That I would be okay with but if he brings in moss I’m gonna be pissed to have another rookie hc making rookie mistakes. I loved hj as a coach but he did have his fair share of rookie mistakes and I just don’t want to go thru it again. I’m still in shock to be honest didn’t not see this coming at all hue did wonders for our offense it’s really a shame to see him go I would love to see them just hire a good dc that’s all we needed not a new hc. The only thing I can think of is Reggie talked to the players and the rumors of hue losing the locker room must be true otherwise this is sooo stupid I hope this doesn’t bite us in the ass next year if we win the afc west and make a run in the playoffs then all is forgiven otherwise I will hate Reggie for doing this!
by 209raider on Jan 10, 2012 11:58 AM PST via mobile reply actions
The difference with Moss is that he's GB's assistant HC.
"Bad is Back, thanks be to the Antichrist" - George Atkinson
by Ghost Raider on Jan 10, 2012 11:59 AM PST up reply actions
True wasn't thinking that good point
by 209raider on Jan 10, 2012 12:37 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Just when we thought we were a couple moves away.
The whole organization gets turned upside down. New GM evaluating everyone based upon performance…could be a good thing. Or???
Or just Hue at this point
Who is understandably pissed off about being fired by his friend. A guy who he probably lobbied for to get the GM job.
I meant
evaluating players in upcoming offseason.
by NALPH RAiDER on Jan 10, 2012 12:02 PM PST up reply actions
That will be the most interesting part of this regime change
I can see a lot of pricey veterans getting cut, but a premium being placed on bringing back Bush and Branch. We’ll have to see how the staff takes shape, but if we switch to the Capers/LeBeau 3-4 it will be very interesting…I think we continue to build the OL around Veld and Wiz, and we don’t have any huge contracts at WR with developing talent. The biggest question is QB…
we never retreat we always ATTACK!!!
by transparent58 on Jan 10, 2012 12:07 PM PST up reply actions
They signed that reserve RB/FB
I can see him being tapped to replace Bush.
Caps lock is not cruise control for cool.
by ROFLCOPTER16 on Jan 10, 2012 12:17 PM PST up reply actions
I don't think you let a 1000 yd back go
especially when the starter has never played a full season. Then again, Green Bay hasn’t really paid premium money for a RB since they drafted Ahman Green.
Anyone signed to a reserve/future contract is likely bound for the practice squad…
we never retreat we always ATTACK!!!
by transparent58 on Jan 10, 2012 12:21 PM PST up reply actions
True
And yet, to keep Bush we’d have to franchise him or sign him to a hugely backloaded deal. We don’t have that kind of cap space without restructuring.
Caps lock is not cruise control for cool.
by ROFLCOPTER16 on Jan 10, 2012 12:26 PM PST up reply actions
you're probably right
but in the right system the RB doesn’t have to be a beast. NO drafted Ingram, but they’ve been fine, maybe even better since he got hurt NE has a group of no names. GB trots out two lowly regarded prospects that get yards…you’ll see it again this year with whoever drafts Richardson…
we never retreat we always ATTACK!!!
by transparent58 on Jan 10, 2012 12:40 PM PST up reply actions
well
he could wait till after the SB, Then fire him when he has no chance of getting a job and we have no chance of getting the best man. That is the Raider way
by Canadian Raider on Jan 10, 2012 12:02 PM PST up reply actions
The Presser
Mark – “this is our New GM Reggie”
Reggie-“Glad to be here ,want to restore the glory- btw Hue for hamstringging me with that Palmer trade and for not wanting to give up your sceptre,,,,,Your fired”
Hue – " Come on man your my friend" “lets go to KC Bres”
by Canadian Raider on Jan 10, 2012 12:06 PM PST up reply actions
That was tweeted 18 hours ago
Before the firing. I’m doubting he’ll attend now.
This
and I don’t think Palmer is the only high paid vet that gets moved, either. Say hello to Matt Flynn your 2012 Raiders starting QB.
we never retreat we always ATTACK!!!
by transparent58 on Jan 10, 2012 12:02 PM PST up reply actions
Could happen, but I'd kind of like to see Palmer stay
We already paid a load for him.
Yeah, he's a sunk cost
Unless someone wants to give us nice goodies for him. Might as well get as much as we can out of him.
@WorldBLee
His contract and our cap situation make him staying
without Jackson very unlikely. I can honestly see Seymour being moved for draft picks along with anyone silly enough to take on Palmer’s contract.
we never retreat we always ATTACK!!!
by transparent58 on Jan 10, 2012 12:09 PM PST up reply actions
I've had ol' Charlie Brown
as my avatar for about 2 years now…but I chose it then for many of the reasons you think I just started using it.
I hope McKenzie is the guy we need to turn the Raiders into perennial contenders.
we never retreat we always ATTACK!!!
by transparent58 on Jan 10, 2012 12:14 PM PST up reply actions
Ever heard of Scott Mitchell?
Hey, maybe we could get THE Kevin Kolb himself, since he is worse than John Skelton.
I’m ok with this Hue firing. I will not be ok with Carson being jettisoned in favor of some generic “game manager”.
by lchristmas on Jan 10, 2012 12:16 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Raiders now have a legitimate GM
that is a professional. What did you expect; same ole, same old stuff?
Everything I've read about this guy says otherwise
he’s a low key football man, not a headline grabber. His first move seems to contradict that, but it’s really not that far out of the ordinary for a new GM to clean house and bring in “his” guys. The only way Hue would have been relatively safe is if we mined the Ravens front office for a GM.
we never retreat we always ATTACK!!!
by transparent58 on Jan 10, 2012 12:12 PM PST up reply actions
I think he does, but he's making GM money
and not having to take over a dumpster fire to get it, plus he’s Newsome’s heir apparent and it’s written into his new deal. For guys like me, not having to pack up the whole family and relocate while still getting comparable pay and staying in an organization you know might be better than getting the title and responsibilities associated with becoming a GM and trying to turn around an organization.
we never retreat we always ATTACK!!!
by transparent58 on Jan 10, 2012 12:18 PM PST up reply actions
Whoever is brought in at QB better be good
Palmer probably wont stay and if McKenzie really wants ultimate glory he should know Jason isnt the guy, I doubt Flynn is as good as they make him look, he is like Kevin Kolb 2.0 to me
+1, The Alameda Massacre
"Bad is Back, thanks be to the Antichrist" - George Atkinson
by Ghost Raider on Jan 10, 2012 12:12 PM PST up reply actions
I don't like
this move. But I’m not really that surprised since new GMs do bring in their own guys.
Here are my thoughts
Without any real info I think we can assume this..
- The conversations between Hue and Reggie must not have gone well as far as ideas for the future.
- If Reggie talked to any players about Hue that must have also not gone well.
At least that is my hope that he talked to some people before making the move.
I think we have to wait and see before we decide good or bad move. I do wish Hue well and think he will land somewhere maybe even as a HC.
The good news is with a new GM, he now owns the decisions!
umm
vitto the raiders reporter said the players he talked to are shocked and have no comment.. DVD on twitter said WOWWWWW!!! and Rock cartwirght said wow also
by RAIDER_FAN15 on Jan 10, 2012 12:20 PM PST up reply actions
Plenty of players had reason to not be hue fans
And any player on the defensive side of the ball has no right to an opinion.
by lchristmas on Jan 10, 2012 12:25 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
The players always say that
The did the same when Cable guy was fired
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by Ozraider on Jan 10, 2012 1:39 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Good move!!!
Hue sucked as a coach and decision maker(GM wannabe)
Good coordinator tho
by bigjon22 on Jan 10, 2012 12:17 PM PST via mobile reply actions
I really liked Hue.
I won’t be happy about this unless ReggieMac can pull some shit out of his ass.
I like my goals like I like my booze..... Top shelf.
by GhostOfLinkGaetz on Jan 10, 2012 12:22 PM PST reply actions
Realistically
“pulling shit out of his ass” isn’t really all that impressive a feat…I could do that right now, and wouldn’t have to try very hard.
we never retreat we always ATTACK!!!
by transparent58 on Jan 10, 2012 12:25 PM PST up reply actions
You must have diarrhea then
Shitting on command is not easy.
Caps lock is not cruise control for cool.
by ROFLCOPTER16 on Jan 10, 2012 12:27 PM PST up reply actions
while shitting on command isn't exactly easy
shit is almost always in your ass, and if you reach around there, you’re likely to pull some out…maybe not a bunch but at least a couple dingle berries…
we never retreat we always ATTACK!!!
by transparent58 on Jan 10, 2012 12:29 PM PST up reply actions
disgusting WTF? Why put this in my mind... a whole scene was just created in my mind!!!
The RaiderLaker
because I could
enjoy your lunch :)
we never retreat we always ATTACK!!!
by transparent58 on Jan 10, 2012 12:55 PM PST up reply actions
In Hue we busted....
Wanted it to work just didn’t. I don’t agree with the move however having somebody with a fresh and point of view with total control that isn’t the coach may be a better format for success
Al Davis the Greatest Raider of all times... You will live forever in the hearts of true Raider fans...RIP
And I WAS Planning on Buying Season Tickets
The reason our team failed last season was the defense. Last I checked Hue Jackson takes care of the offense. Bresnahan fired after one season, fine, makes sense. Firing Hue Jackson does not.
Hue and Palmer have a history together. Like the trade for Palmer or not, he is our QB for the next few years. He was expecting to be coached by Hue.
NOW I PROBABLY WONT BUY SEASON TICKETS.
Hue Jackson was the head coach
he’s ultimately responsible for the ENTIRE team. He had his chance to pitch staying the head coach to McKenzie and didn’t get the job done. In Hue’s own words “next guy up.”
we never retreat we always ATTACK!!!
by transparent58 on Jan 10, 2012 12:28 PM PST up reply actions
I'm a raiders fan not a hue jack fan
Ill be getting tickets regardless.
I want carson to stay. But even if mckenzie makes some qb move I disagree with, I will support whoever our qb is.
Was mckenzie in GB with farve? have any strange planes landed in hattiesburg?
I kid, I kid
by lchristmas on Jan 10, 2012 12:39 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
He's been with Green Bay since 1994
so yeah he was there with Favre.
we never retreat we always ATTACK!!!
by transparent58 on Jan 10, 2012 12:42 PM PST up reply actions
I think there are some players that are very safe
Veldheer and Wiz on the OL. DHB, Ford, Murphy, and Moore at WR. McFadden unless someone offers us a decent draft pick for him. Houston, Shaughnessy, Curry, McClain, Huff, probably the younger DBs (VanDyke, Chekwa) and Routt are probably safe on D. I would like to see Kelly and Seymour back, but their contracts might make them casualties.
we never retreat we always ATTACK!!!
by transparent58 on Jan 10, 2012 12:34 PM PST up reply actions
Kelly is safe.
Seymour may need restructuring.
Barnes is toast. I hope.
Caps lock is not cruise control for cool.
by ROFLCOPTER16 on Jan 10, 2012 12:35 PM PST up reply actions
wow...
whats gonna happen with run dmc? he was revived when hue arrived? will he be traded? why fire hue and bring in another rookie hc? id rather have hue than moss. an established coach better be brought in, i hope reggie knows what hes doin…. guess all the “media” was right. is palmer safe? nope! he may be gone now. we are gonna see players move around a lot this off season i believe… damn
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"The greatest hypnotist on the planet Earth is an oblong box in the corner in the room. It is constantly telling us what to believe is real. If you can persuade people that what they see with their eyes is what there is to see you've got them. Because they'll laugh in your face of an explanation then which portrays the big picture of what's happenin'
... and they have."
"Lots of people in America know that the system is fucked up. All of them know it. I think everybody in this country knows the government’s corrupt. They’re conscious of it, but they’re not gonna do a fucking thing about it. There are people that will, and me, I consider those people revolutionary"- Immortal Technique
by RaiderKilluminati on Jan 10, 2012 12:30 PM PST reply actions
He's staying.
Unless we get a Palmer-level offer, he’s safe.
Caps lock is not cruise control for cool.
by ROFLCOPTER16 on Jan 10, 2012 12:35 PM PST up reply actions
maybe. he and jackson were tied together.
i dont think hes “safe”. guess reggie is makin his presence felt loud and clear. thats good, but i wouldve loved to see hue one more year.
"I'm not saying I'm gonna change the world, but I guarantee that I will spark the brain that will change the world." - Tupac Amaru Shakur
"The greatest hypnotist on the planet Earth is an oblong box in the corner in the room. It is constantly telling us what to believe is real. If you can persuade people that what they see with their eyes is what there is to see you've got them. Because they'll laugh in your face of an explanation then which portrays the big picture of what's happenin'
... and they have."
"Lots of people in America know that the system is fucked up. All of them know it. I think everybody in this country knows the government’s corrupt. They’re conscious of it, but they’re not gonna do a fucking thing about it. There are people that will, and me, I consider those people revolutionary"- Immortal Technique
by RaiderKilluminati on Jan 10, 2012 12:38 PM PST up reply actions
what happens with al saunders? will he be the OC now or will he be fired as well?
"I'm not saying I'm gonna change the world, but I guarantee that I will spark the brain that will change the world." - Tupac Amaru Shakur
"The greatest hypnotist on the planet Earth is an oblong box in the corner in the room. It is constantly telling us what to believe is real. If you can persuade people that what they see with their eyes is what there is to see you've got them. Because they'll laugh in your face of an explanation then which portrays the big picture of what's happenin'
... and they have."
"Lots of people in America know that the system is fucked up. All of them know it. I think everybody in this country knows the government’s corrupt. They’re conscious of it, but they’re not gonna do a fucking thing about it. There are people that will, and me, I consider those people revolutionary"- Immortal Technique
by RaiderKilluminati on Jan 10, 2012 12:30 PM PST reply actions
I think the entire staff is toast right now
to get the type of coach we want, we’re going to have to let him bring in his own staff,.
we never retreat we always ATTACK!!!
by transparent58 on Jan 10, 2012 12:35 PM PST up reply actions
Let's Try To Not Overreact Until We Know The New Guy:
THEN we can OVERREACT!!!
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Elephants, rams, eagles, condors...
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by Raymond St. Martin (Saint) on Jan 10, 2012 12:31 PM PST reply actions
any chance hues an oc anywhere else?
"I'm not saying I'm gonna change the world, but I guarantee that I will spark the brain that will change the world." - Tupac Amaru Shakur
"The greatest hypnotist on the planet Earth is an oblong box in the corner in the room. It is constantly telling us what to believe is real. If you can persuade people that what they see with their eyes is what there is to see you've got them. Because they'll laugh in your face of an explanation then which portrays the big picture of what's happenin'
... and they have."
"Lots of people in America know that the system is fucked up. All of them know it. I think everybody in this country knows the government’s corrupt. They’re conscious of it, but they’re not gonna do a fucking thing about it. There are people that will, and me, I consider those people revolutionary"- Immortal Technique
by RaiderKilluminati on Jan 10, 2012 12:32 PM PST reply actions
Right now, I see him going to the Jets
either as OC or QB coach.
we never retreat we always ATTACK!!!
by transparent58 on Jan 10, 2012 12:35 PM PST up reply actions
He'd fit there.
He could maximize his potential in the art of the big mouth.
Caps lock is not cruise control for cool.
by ROFLCOPTER16 on Jan 10, 2012 12:36 PM PST up reply actions
Rex and Hues heads
in that locker room, might not both fit.
by NALPH RAiDER on Jan 10, 2012 12:38 PM PST up reply actions
LOL.
Caps lock is not cruise control for cool.
by ROFLCOPTER16 on Jan 10, 2012 12:39 PM PST up reply actions
that actually makes sense
hed want to get back at the raiders in the playoffs(if the jets go) but i dont think his attitude and ego mixes with rexs ego. too much for one team
"I'm not saying I'm gonna change the world, but I guarantee that I will spark the brain that will change the world." - Tupac Amaru Shakur
"The greatest hypnotist on the planet Earth is an oblong box in the corner in the room. It is constantly telling us what to believe is real. If you can persuade people that what they see with their eyes is what there is to see you've got them. Because they'll laugh in your face of an explanation then which portrays the big picture of what's happenin'
... and they have."
"Lots of people in America know that the system is fucked up. All of them know it. I think everybody in this country knows the government’s corrupt. They’re conscious of it, but they’re not gonna do a fucking thing about it. There are people that will, and me, I consider those people revolutionary"- Immortal Technique
by RaiderKilluminati on Jan 10, 2012 12:39 PM PST up reply actions
I think they have the same attitude
and can work together. Hue brings Rex’s attitude to the offense, and could breath new life into Sanchez. If Rex wants to win, he’ll take a long look at Hue joining his staff.
we never retreat we always ATTACK!!!
by transparent58 on Jan 10, 2012 12:44 PM PST up reply actions
maybe kc?
"I'm not saying I'm gonna change the world, but I guarantee that I will spark the brain that will change the world." - Tupac Amaru Shakur
"The greatest hypnotist on the planet Earth is an oblong box in the corner in the room. It is constantly telling us what to believe is real. If you can persuade people that what they see with their eyes is what there is to see you've got them. Because they'll laugh in your face of an explanation then which portrays the big picture of what's happenin'
... and they have."
"Lots of people in America know that the system is fucked up. All of them know it. I think everybody in this country knows the government’s corrupt. They’re conscious of it, but they’re not gonna do a fucking thing about it. There are people that will, and me, I consider those people revolutionary"- Immortal Technique
by RaiderKilluminati on Jan 10, 2012 12:36 PM PST reply actions
he should go to seatle
with cable, gallery and miller
by dawad34 on Jan 10, 2012 12:38 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
According to NFL.com
there is a belief that this firing was more of a power move. According to, I believe Mike Lombardi, Jackson had a clause in his contract where he would report directly to the general managing partner or someone, which is the same person that McKenzie would also report too and he didn’t want Jackson going around saying that he’s (jackson) in charge.
Well
that would make sense if the contract was done under Al Davis, since there was no GM and Al was the organization. Maybe Reggie demanded Hue renegotiate and he refused, forcing Reggie’s hand. I guess we’ll never really know for sure.
we never retreat we always ATTACK!!!
by transparent58 on Jan 10, 2012 12:46 PM PST up reply actions
Fuck it
RIP Oakland Raiders. The organization we knew is gone. I thought this might happen, especially after Al passed. I don’t know the direction we are going now, but I’m sure for the immediate future it will be backwards. I wouldn’t be surprised if Palmer is shipped off, Jason won’t come back either. DMC may get one more year to prove he can stay healthy or else. Bush may be gone for good too. If your going to bring in your guys, there is no sense in keeping the old regime. Great for the defense, sweeping changes were needed. The offense will take a step back. If Moss is the new head coach, then we will have had our 4th straight rookie head coach. That spells doom to me. I figure with some luck, we finish 3rd next year in the AFC West. Depends on what else happens next I suppose. It sounds to me like a rebuild job. Mr. Davis liked to reload, I don’t think he ever liked the term rebuild. I’m sure many of you are happy and rejoicing now. Al is dead, Hue is gone, and Palmer probably next. At that rate, I also think our playoff chances are gone for the time being as a result. I’m upset with the move but the Raiders are still my team. Whoever plays, coaches, or whatever. I’ll support to the end. But I’m far from happy.
by lakers007raiders on Jan 10, 2012 12:41 PM PST reply actions
You say that like being the packers is a bad thing.
Caps lock is not cruise control for cool.
by ROFLCOPTER16 on Jan 10, 2012 12:47 PM PST up reply actions
yeah it's not like they're the best org in football and won the super bowl last year or anything
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by RDreamer on Jan 10, 2012 1:09 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Personally
I think we should have gone after someone on the Rams staff…maybe the Browns.
we never retreat we always ATTACK!!!
by transparent58 on Jan 10, 2012 1:13 PM PST up reply actions
No disrespect to the Pack
But the Raiders were never like any team. If I wanted to be a Packer fan, I would be. I’ve let go of the Raider mantra for now. Perhaps it was getting stale, but I liked it. Until McKenzie says the words “Commitment to Execellence” or “Just win baby”, I’m going to say he is building the Oakland Packers. By comparison, we will never be like them. Their fans own that team. Year in and out, no matter what, their fans are the best in the NFL. They sell out just about every season. Even during the down years. The Nation is often fair weather. Didn’t see the sell outs for the 2-14 or 4-12 campaigns. Then again, our team has been far shittier than Green Bays. Change has happened, I hope for the best. The NFL is crazy and unpredictable. The Packers barely made the playoffs last year and won it all. Tebowmania happened this year. Eh, shit happens.
by lakers007raiders on Jan 10, 2012 1:20 PM PST up reply actions
Again
McKenzie is a Raider who learned his trade from the guy who was Al Davis’ right hand man in building the Raiders 3 Super Bowl champions. Some people actually suggest that the Raiders dominance ended when Ron Wolf left. If anything Green Bay was built in the image of the Raiders over the past 20 years by guys who helped build the Raiders.
The fan bases are completely different, but the Packers front office and the way they put the team together is very similar to the way Wolf and Davis built the perennial power Raiders in 70s.
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by transparent58 on Jan 10, 2012 2:04 PM PST up reply actions
You say that like it's a bad thing
Remember that the guy that built the Packers into what they are was Al Davis’ right hand in building those great teams in the 70’s and 80’s. If anything it’s just coming full circle. The Packers became the Green Bay Raiders under Ron Wolf. Now we’re getting someone from that personnel tree. It’s not like Green Bay hasn’t been one of the best run organizations in the NFL since the mid 90’s or anything.
The uniqueness of the how the Raiders were run died on Oct. 8 2011. At least in McKenzie we’ve got a guy who played for the Raiders and learned the football operations game from one of the best personnel men in NFL and Raiders history.
I was hoping Hue would stick, but I’ll yield those decisions to they now captaining our pirate ship, just like I yielded to Al’s expertise prior to his passing.
All Reggie McKenzie did in Green Bay was help put together three Super Bowl teams and perennial contenders…what shitty resume.
we never retreat we always ATTACK!!!
by transparent58 on Jan 10, 2012 12:53 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah
But how much of the credit for that is McKenzie due with the bulk of it going to McCarthy and Thompson and the best QB in the league bar none?
Well it all started with Ron Wolf
and signing Reggie White, hiring Holmgren and trading for Favre. McKenzie was there for those years under Wolf, too. It’s like asking who gets more credit for the 70’s Raiders, Al Davis, Ron Wolf, John Madden, or having Ken Stabler.
Someone had to nut up and take a flier on Rodgers when he was in a free fall. Phil Savage did the same thing the following year for Brady Quinn and it didn’t work out so well. The Green Bay scouting and football operations side was built by Ron Wolf and it has survived three coaches (Holmgren, Sherman, and McCarthy) and won Super Bowls with two of them.
If he brings even half of the success he had in Green Bay to Oakland, it’s a great move by Mark Davis.
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by transparent58 on Jan 10, 2012 12:59 PM PST up reply actions
The Raiders of the Decades, if anything
Passed with Mr. Davis.
Not with the dismissal of a short-time head coach of questionable qualification and skill.
I’ll wait to see what Reggie does and who he hires before I decide whether he deserves my valuable endorsement and support. Im willing to give him a chance.
by lchristmas on Jan 10, 2012 1:07 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
This
Everyone’s just assuming it’s going to be Moss, but McKenzie’s history in Green Bay opens a lot of doors from the Holmgren era too…it’s not just current staff that will be candidates, but that Walsh/Holgren tree has a lot of branches…add in the Dom Capers defensive tree that includes Dick LeBeau’s staff in Pittsburgh it could be a very interesting hire.
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by transparent58 on Jan 10, 2012 1:10 PM PST up reply actions
God forbid wr make changes to this 8-8 juggernaut
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by Ozraider on Jan 10, 2012 1:42 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
well if he decides to go to the jets, he and rex can both get pedicures. rex loves feet
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"The greatest hypnotist on the planet Earth is an oblong box in the corner in the room. It is constantly telling us what to believe is real. If you can persuade people that what they see with their eyes is what there is to see you've got them. Because they'll laugh in your face of an explanation then which portrays the big picture of what's happenin'
... and they have."
"Lots of people in America know that the system is fucked up. All of them know it. I think everybody in this country knows the government’s corrupt. They’re conscious of it, but they’re not gonna do a fucking thing about it. There are people that will, and me, I consider those people revolutionary"- Immortal Technique
by RaiderKilluminati on Jan 10, 2012 12:49 PM PST reply actions
its not a bad thing
but if i wanted to be a packers fan id be a packers fan. i guess its good that mckenzie was a raider and he will still keep the traditions of the silver and black
firing a coach after an 8-8 season and his frist year. yup he continued the tradition haha
"I'm not saying I'm gonna change the world, but I guarantee that I will spark the brain that will change the world." - Tupac Amaru Shakur
"The greatest hypnotist on the planet Earth is an oblong box in the corner in the room. It is constantly telling us what to believe is real. If you can persuade people that what they see with their eyes is what there is to see you've got them. Because they'll laugh in your face of an explanation then which portrays the big picture of what's happenin'
... and they have."
"Lots of people in America know that the system is fucked up. All of them know it. I think everybody in this country knows the government’s corrupt. They’re conscious of it, but they’re not gonna do a fucking thing about it. There are people that will, and me, I consider those people revolutionary"- Immortal Technique
by RaiderKilluminati on Jan 10, 2012 12:49 PM PST up reply actions
mckenzie played for the LA raiders
and he wants a fresh start. you guys will kill me for saying this but lets go LA Raiders!!!!!
Breaking News...
Reggie McKenzie spotted doing the “Discount Doublecheck” move to Hue Jackson as he drove from the Alameda Facilities.
by RaiderPride20 on Jan 10, 2012 12:51 PM PST reply actions 2 recs
now........
what does that mean for the qb situation?…..hmmm i think palmer is not safe, but i dont know. the 1st rounder and 2nd rounder are long gone either way. will he bring in flynn now that hue be gone? or will palmer stay for the next few years? what about pryor? i hope he is developed. if he can ba anything like cam that would be awesome
"I'm not saying I'm gonna change the world, but I guarantee that I will spark the brain that will change the world." - Tupac Amaru Shakur
"The greatest hypnotist on the planet Earth is an oblong box in the corner in the room. It is constantly telling us what to believe is real. If you can persuade people that what they see with their eyes is what there is to see you've got them. Because they'll laugh in your face of an explanation then which portrays the big picture of what's happenin'
... and they have."
"Lots of people in America know that the system is fucked up. All of them know it. I think everybody in this country knows the government’s corrupt. They’re conscious of it, but they’re not gonna do a fucking thing about it. There are people that will, and me, I consider those people revolutionary"- Immortal Technique
by RaiderKilluminati on Jan 10, 2012 12:53 PM PST reply actions
maybe arizona.
another question, what is palmer worth? a 3rd maybe 2nd to a needy team?
"I'm not saying I'm gonna change the world, but I guarantee that I will spark the brain that will change the world." - Tupac Amaru Shakur
"The greatest hypnotist on the planet Earth is an oblong box in the corner in the room. It is constantly telling us what to believe is real. If you can persuade people that what they see with their eyes is what there is to see you've got them. Because they'll laugh in your face of an explanation then which portrays the big picture of what's happenin'
... and they have."
"Lots of people in America know that the system is fucked up. All of them know it. I think everybody in this country knows the government’s corrupt. They’re conscious of it, but they’re not gonna do a fucking thing about it. There are people that will, and me, I consider those people revolutionary"- Immortal Technique
by RaiderKilluminati on Jan 10, 2012 12:55 PM PST up reply actions
he can be released. hes a bust FA signing anyway. wasnt he a back up to some qb later on in the season?
or was it injury?
"I'm not saying I'm gonna change the world, but I guarantee that I will spark the brain that will change the world." - Tupac Amaru Shakur
"The greatest hypnotist on the planet Earth is an oblong box in the corner in the room. It is constantly telling us what to believe is real. If you can persuade people that what they see with their eyes is what there is to see you've got them. Because they'll laugh in your face of an explanation then which portrays the big picture of what's happenin'
... and they have."
"Lots of people in America know that the system is fucked up. All of them know it. I think everybody in this country knows the government’s corrupt. They’re conscious of it, but they’re not gonna do a fucking thing about it. There are people that will, and me, I consider those people revolutionary"- Immortal Technique
by RaiderKilluminati on Jan 10, 2012 12:59 PM PST up reply actions
He was injured
and Skelton took over. I think they still have to pay him even if they cut him, unless somebody else picks him up off waivers.
WTF!!!!!
WTF is wrong with you guys!!! On Hues nuts like as if he brought us SB’s or sumthin. He hasn’t done shit in Oakland. I am a RAIDERS fan!!!!! NOT a coach fan. If this is there sorectiony teams going then im onboard and ready for the ride!! If any of you are happy w back to back 8-8 seasons then I say again WTF is wrong w you!
by bigjon22 on Jan 10, 2012 12:55 PM PST via mobile reply actions
He had one year to prove himself
And an injury riddled one at that. You assume somebody better is coming to replace him. There’s NO guarantee of that.
especially if its another rookie HC!
"I'm not saying I'm gonna change the world, but I guarantee that I will spark the brain that will change the world." - Tupac Amaru Shakur
"The greatest hypnotist on the planet Earth is an oblong box in the corner in the room. It is constantly telling us what to believe is real. If you can persuade people that what they see with their eyes is what there is to see you've got them. Because they'll laugh in your face of an explanation then which portrays the big picture of what's happenin'
... and they have."
"Lots of people in America know that the system is fucked up. All of them know it. I think everybody in this country knows the government’s corrupt. They’re conscious of it, but they’re not gonna do a fucking thing about it. There are people that will, and me, I consider those people revolutionary"- Immortal Technique
by RaiderKilluminati on Jan 10, 2012 12:57 PM PST up reply actions
Correction: If this is the direction the teams going then I’m onboard ready for the ride
by bigjon22 on Jan 10, 2012 12:57 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Beating that dead horsie...
We aren’t happy with 8-8 seasons, but we do need stability at the head coaching position. Winning teams are stable at head coach, losing teams are unstable at that position.
well we must,
wish Hue Jackson good luck on his future endevors trademarked by the WWE and support the new coaching staff.
Well it lookes like you get a fresh start
Just think a new coach that can come in and implement his style and bring in young talented players through the draft. Oh, I forgot. Well one of out of two is 50% just like 8-8.
by Bigcatdaddy on Jan 10, 2012 12:57 PM PST via Android app reply actions
I think most players will play for the team that's paying them
I bet whoever gets hired by McKenzie gets at least 3-4 years…
The entire organization has changed, and most of us knew it would when Al passed. We’ll see some growing pains early, but I think the long term benefits of Reggie McKenzie will outweigh the feigned outrage today.
we never retreat we always ATTACK!!!
by transparent58 on Jan 10, 2012 1:05 PM PST up reply actions
we already have young talented players.
ur referring to the 1st rounder and lack of picks, well this team is solid in many key places. depth and some new starters are needed but there is free agency. plus yall act as if the raiders have NO draft picks they have two plus some compensatory picks. there is talent throughout every round of the draft. 1st round picks are just as likely to bust than a 6th rounder. ask jamarcus ask brady
"I'm not saying I'm gonna change the world, but I guarantee that I will spark the brain that will change the world." - Tupac Amaru Shakur
"The greatest hypnotist on the planet Earth is an oblong box in the corner in the room. It is constantly telling us what to believe is real. If you can persuade people that what they see with their eyes is what there is to see you've got them. Because they'll laugh in your face of an explanation then which portrays the big picture of what's happenin'
... and they have."
"Lots of people in America know that the system is fucked up. All of them know it. I think everybody in this country knows the government’s corrupt. They’re conscious of it, but they’re not gonna do a fucking thing about it. There are people that will, and me, I consider those people revolutionary"- Immortal Technique
by RaiderKilluminati on Jan 10, 2012 1:02 PM PST reply actions
AS a HC???!!!!
NO GRACIAS!!
"I'm not saying I'm gonna change the world, but I guarantee that I will spark the brain that will change the world." - Tupac Amaru Shakur
"The greatest hypnotist on the planet Earth is an oblong box in the corner in the room. It is constantly telling us what to believe is real. If you can persuade people that what they see with their eyes is what there is to see you've got them. Because they'll laugh in your face of an explanation then which portrays the big picture of what's happenin'
... and they have."
"Lots of people in America know that the system is fucked up. All of them know it. I think everybody in this country knows the government’s corrupt. They’re conscious of it, but they’re not gonna do a fucking thing about it. There are people that will, and me, I consider those people revolutionary"- Immortal Technique
by RaiderKilluminati on Jan 10, 2012 1:04 PM PST up reply actions
How about Dennis Greene...
They were who we thought they were.
From Kawakami
More than ever, we need to hear Mark Davis talk at this press conference, though I am not sure that will happen
Say something, Mark!
Lol
Hes a pussy. He ain’t saying shit.
by bigjon22 on Jan 10, 2012 1:09 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Because of Al, we think every owner needs to run the team
I don’t care if Mark says a word; I want to hear what McKenzie has to say. Would also like to hear from Amy Trask to see where she stands with the organization right now.
@WorldBLee
he should walk up to the microphone and say
we have a commitment to excellence. Just win baby. The greatness of the Raiders. then just walk away
Mark needs to stop hiding behind people already
If things should go to hell again because of McKenzie’s moves, it’ll just be another in a long line of fall guys.
according to vittorio tafur
players are shocked…no shit.
"I'm not saying I'm gonna change the world, but I guarantee that I will spark the brain that will change the world." - Tupac Amaru Shakur
"The greatest hypnotist on the planet Earth is an oblong box in the corner in the room. It is constantly telling us what to believe is real. If you can persuade people that what they see with their eyes is what there is to see you've got them. Because they'll laugh in your face of an explanation then which portrays the big picture of what's happenin'
... and they have."
"Lots of people in America know that the system is fucked up. All of them know it. I think everybody in this country knows the government’s corrupt. They’re conscious of it, but they’re not gonna do a fucking thing about it. There are people that will, and me, I consider those people revolutionary"- Immortal Technique
by RaiderKilluminati on Jan 10, 2012 1:10 PM PST reply actions
They should b
A lot of them should b packing their bags too. Get ready
by bigjon22 on Jan 10, 2012 1:12 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
In other news
Most strippers aren’t putting themselves through college but feeding a coke habit…film at 11.
we never retreat we always ATTACK!!!
by transparent58 on Jan 10, 2012 1:12 PM PST up reply actions
Well
These defensive players ought to be happy about it because they were instrumental in bringing him down. And if they’re not, they have themselves largely to blame.
thanks to chuck as well. took hue down with him
"I'm not saying I'm gonna change the world, but I guarantee that I will spark the brain that will change the world." - Tupac Amaru Shakur
"The greatest hypnotist on the planet Earth is an oblong box in the corner in the room. It is constantly telling us what to believe is real. If you can persuade people that what they see with their eyes is what there is to see you've got them. Because they'll laugh in your face of an explanation then which portrays the big picture of what's happenin'
... and they have."
"Lots of people in America know that the system is fucked up. All of them know it. I think everybody in this country knows the government’s corrupt. They’re conscious of it, but they’re not gonna do a fucking thing about it. There are people that will, and me, I consider those people revolutionary"- Immortal Technique
by RaiderKilluminati on Jan 10, 2012 1:15 PM PST up reply actions
Yup.
we never retreat we always ATTACK!!!
by transparent58 on Jan 10, 2012 1:14 PM PST up reply actions
Adam Shefter (or however you spell it)
just reported breaking news. Winston Moss is a good friend of Mckenzie and is a possible replacement for Hue. LOL how come we dont work for ESPN? we knew this like 2 weeks ago
Unless he brings in someone witha great resume, I will think this as a very bad move until proven otherwise.
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
Suggestions beyond Cowher, Gruden, Fisher, and Dungy?
because Super Bowl winning coaches are always successful in stint #2 after winning the Super Bowl. I think only Holmgren and Parcells ever got back to the big game with a different team…
we never retreat we always ATTACK!!!
by transparent58 on Jan 10, 2012 1:18 PM PST up reply actions
Would have said Schottenheimer
If he could get over his Raider hate, but apparently he’s going to TB.
Marty?
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
Del Rio can be our coach.
or someone else. I do want Del Rio to be on this team’s coaching staff though
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
Not sold on Del Rio, really not sold on Fisher TBH
I say Dom Capers…
we never retreat we always ATTACK!!!
by transparent58 on Jan 10, 2012 1:22 PM PST up reply actions
I like de rio as a defensive guy.
Capers… I would be okay with that. NO on jeff fisher please.
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
Del Rio as a DC wouldn't be bad
if we stay with the 4-3, but I figure we’ll be seeing an influx of Capers/Lebeau disciples, though I’d much rather see Mike Nolan as the DC than anyone else, right now.
Head Coach could be just about anyone…hell, it could even be Mooch…
we never retreat we always ATTACK!!!
by transparent58 on Jan 10, 2012 1:39 PM PST up reply actions
Jerry Mc
@Jerrymcd Jerry McDonald
Chuck Bresnahan at facility, going out for some exercise. Has no comment. Likewise Rod Woodson, who just departed in his SUV.
That's code for "hitting the bar."
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by transparent58 on Jan 10, 2012 1:17 PM PST up reply actions
He's getting in shape for Hometown Buffet:
I bet that he goes out to the B&B with Art Shell and Tom Walsh.
Vast boars and huge gigantic bull
Elephants, rams, eagles, condors...
- J Kerouac
by Raymond St. Martin (Saint) on Jan 10, 2012 1:18 PM PST up reply actions
I wonder if Hue tried to fire his entire defense?
Vast boars and huge gigantic bull
Elephants, rams, eagles, condors...
- J Kerouac
by Raymond St. Martin (Saint) on Jan 10, 2012 1:16 PM PST up reply actions
Then got Kiffin'ed by Marc Davis?
Vast boars and huge gigantic bull
Elephants, rams, eagles, condors...
- J Kerouac
by Raymond St. Martin (Saint) on Jan 10, 2012 1:19 PM PST up reply actions
I'm sure they've already been informed that their contracts won't be renewed
Maybe Woodson stays because he played in Capers’ defense, too. Can’t see anyone that was on staff outside him sticking around.
we never retreat we always ATTACK!!!
by transparent58 on Jan 10, 2012 1:20 PM PST up reply actions
it reminds me of those viagra commercials
ask you Dr if your heart is healthy enough to be a Raiders fan
YUP
What Im reading is that it WAS Mark Davis who fired HUE now
yup
we will see, all speculation has been dead on so far.
by RAIDER_FAN15 on Jan 10, 2012 1:22 PM PST up reply actions
When the wheels fell off after the Palmer deal
might have had something to do with his change of heart, no?
That, and even Al probably wouldn’t have signed off on the Palmer deal…
we never retreat we always ATTACK!!!
by transparent58 on Jan 10, 2012 1:25 PM PST up reply actions
If he wanted to err on the side of caution
He should have just said no to Hue. If he thinks it was a mistake now, fixing that mistake is going to be hard.
I don't think anyone in the organization was truly prepared for Al's passing
and it’s pretty obvious mistakes were made in its wake. Fixing those mistakes won’t be easy, right away, but they can be fixed…
we never retreat we always ATTACK!!!
by transparent58 on Jan 10, 2012 1:33 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah, that's the thing
They all said there were “contingencies” in place for when Al passed away, but it just looks like complete chaos. And now they hope Mckenzie can make sense out of the chaos, and so must we.
It's really all we got
but we could have done much worse than McKenzie IMO. Time will tell, but I think he’s about the best possible option we had outside of snagging existing GMs from the Ravens, Steelers, Packers, or Saints.
we never retreat we always ATTACK!!!
by transparent58 on Jan 10, 2012 1:37 PM PST up reply actions
because you're grounded in reality?
I would love to have my expectations ratified by my favorite team, but we’re in an unprecedented transition. This will be the first off season since 1963 in which Al Davis hasn’t had a formal personnel or coaching role.
Comparing 2012 to any year in Raiders history lacks any credibility.
we never retreat we always ATTACK!!!
by transparent58 on Jan 10, 2012 2:08 PM PST up reply actions
New Era for Raiders!
Probably going to be GB “lite” for the first year, and then we will regain out identity. I’m glad Hue Jax is gone. This organization needs a complete Restart/Reset. Good move Reggie!
Also
It will most likely b on NFL network as well as ESPN
by bigjon22 on Jan 10, 2012 1:32 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
And streamed on Raiders.com, also.
At least according to the Raiders twitter.
we never retreat we always ATTACK!!!
by transparent58 on Jan 10, 2012 1:34 PM PST up reply actions
Press Conference Open Thread:
Vast boars and huge gigantic bull
Elephants, rams, eagles, condors...
- J Kerouac
by Raymond St. Martin (Saint) on Jan 10, 2012 2:05 PM PST reply actions
Should accompany McKenzie entering the room
With the Imperial March
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-bzWSJG93P8
It wasn't exactly ideal circumstances, for the introduction either.
Firing Jackson had the reporters looking for blood, and it was the first new hire presser that didn’t involve Al Davis in 48 years.
Even if he’d come out like a cross between Bill Clinton, John F. Kennedy, Martin Luther King, Jr. and Malcolm X people would find something to bitch about…“He was too smooth, I want a real person running my team.”
we never retreat we always ATTACK!!!
by transparent58 on Jan 10, 2012 11:41 PM PST up reply actions
On the surface
On the surface Hue appeared to be a decent coaching choice. This was relative compared to what we as fans have had to endure sice Art Shell was let go the first time.(Aside from the Gruden years) Hue wasn’t a Mike White,Art Shell (the sequel), or a Lane Kiffen. He appeared to be a upgrade.
I respected the man all the way up until his post-game comments following the SD game. You never, ever, ever, ever, ever sell out your team in front of the world. Doesn’t matter if it was a 100% true. You never do it. Do it behind closed doors…
Hue Jackson looked like a desperate man who knew a GM was on the way in. He sold his team out in hopes of getting a 2nd chance.
The words “I’m going to become more involved” should never come out of a head coaches mouth. This is implying that you didn’t know or was not involved when your team was blowing leads all season long or was setting records for penalties. You may “think” it, but you never “say it”.
Offensive injuries aside…there was still an opportunity to win the division. We understate the importance of discipline because we are “Raiders fans”, we have always been penalized. Times have changed, Al Davis (RIP) never did, and it permeated the organization.
If you hold onto strict ideals, you perish and fade away… There has to be a “middle ground” where we can uphold the pride and traditions of the organization and still “adapt” to our opposition.(be it the refs, the NFL, or other teams) period.
Very few teams in the NFL have the pride and tradition of the Oakland Raiders. (Green Bay and Pittsburgh)….
the proof is in the record books…. both teams have won multiple Super-Bowls since 1984…and post significantly better records. What are they doing different? Hmmmm?
Sadly, Hue was another puppet-coach and it showed during that press conference.
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