Hue Jackson Firing, Reggie Mckenzie Hiring Press Conference: (Poll #2)
So, now that you have seen, heard or read about the press conference, what do you think about the Raiders firing Hue Jackson?
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im nuetral
"There comes a point an a mans life, he has to step up… I dont care what kind of man you are!!! there come’s a point where he has to fight!!! He has to has that in ’em! He gotta have that in ’em… Lets go, LETS GO!!! FIGHT on 3… 1-2-3- FIGHT!!!! -Richard Seymour
but hiring Mckenzie was as is important as firing Hue Jackson... but the man said he wanted his man
and Reggie will get his man. (I dont ever think I will get used to typing my own name… sorta feel like im speaking in the third person)
"There comes a point an a mans life, he has to step up… I dont care what kind of man you are!!! there come’s a point where he has to fight!!! He has to has that in ’em! He gotta have that in ’em… Lets go, LETS GO!!! FIGHT on 3… 1-2-3- FIGHT!!!! -Richard Seymour
That's so NBA
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So Rickey!
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by Raymond St. Martin (Saint) on Jan 10, 2012 3:13 PM PST up reply actions
LOL
“everytime Rickey rounds second his cleat keep breaking…”
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by samiam2112 on Jan 10, 2012 3:14 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
what Reggie wants, Reggie gets
"There comes a point an a mans life, he has to step up… I dont care what kind of man you are!!! there come’s a point where he has to fight!!! He has to has that in ’em! He gotta have that in ’em… Lets go, LETS GO!!! FIGHT on 3… 1-2-3- FIGHT!!!! -Richard Seymour
why?
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alot of bullshit
dodged questions, not very honest, other characteristics i didn’t like.
he said something along the lines of “i make decisions with my gut” logical decisions come from the head not the gut. little things like that.
just following my gut. haha see what i did there.
by SmashmouthFB on Jan 10, 2012 3:23 PM PST up reply actions
Day 1 you knew it was gonna be mysterious and not a lot of answers
He did layout what his next steps are…
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good point
but also a reason i don’t like him. nothing changed just the same old bullshit.
of course ill wait to see what type of moves he makes to really judge him.
words mean nothing its all about action
by SmashmouthFB on Jan 10, 2012 3:29 PM PST up reply actions
also, I didnt get to hear about his next steps i watched the conference on nfl network and they cut it early
by SmashmouthFB on Jan 10, 2012 3:35 PM PST up reply actions
He said he's gonna get the personel staff in place first!
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thanks for info
but that’s a no brainier
by SmashmouthFB on Jan 10, 2012 3:48 PM PST up reply actions
I don't understand what you expected
His vision is pretty clear if you ask me.
Task 1: Hire a coach
Task 2: Build the front Office from the ground up.
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by Ozraider on Jan 10, 2012 4:00 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
give him time...
ive met Reggie many times, and I would not say he’s a big talker. he is however a knowledgable football guy whom needs to fill in some holes that Al Davis had dug. I think Raider fans will be quite happy in 2 years!
by TwinkiesFan on Jan 10, 2012 4:05 PM PST via Android app up reply actions
dont worry I am. Action > words
would you say he is an introvert or not that confident with words then? would make the sidestepping questions make more sense.
by SmashmouthFB on Jan 10, 2012 4:10 PM PST up reply actions
introvert is more likely..
I have lived in Green Bay for 10 years, and do some work with the Packers. in my dealings with him, hes always been polite, but he is certainly not outgoing. i think he is a guy whom comes in to work, and really kind of keeps to himself aside from that. I can say the level of respect the team/coaches shows him is evident. As a Colts season ticket holder, i was hoping he would succeed the Polians in Indy. I think ya’ll did ok.
by TwinkiesFan on Jan 10, 2012 4:15 PM PST via Android app up reply actions
i live there too and thats the stuff ive ueard about him although ive never had the pleasure of meeting him
Just because he doesn’t like speaking in public doesn’t mention he isn’t capable of doing the job. I’m very excited to have him here
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by Marcus Allen Krause on Jan 10, 2012 6:40 PM PST up reply actions
heard* and mean*
"We want to win. The Raider fans deserve it. The Raider players deserve it, even my organization deserves it. You have to win and you have to win with a vision for the Super Bowl. That's our passion here."--Al Davis
"Winning isn't everything, but wanting to win is."--Vince Lombardi
by Marcus Allen Krause on Jan 10, 2012 6:41 PM PST up reply actions
I understood perfectly
its not really a “vision” just the next obvious step. you fire someone you usually replace them next. nothing to get exited about
by SmashmouthFB on Jan 10, 2012 4:06 PM PST up reply actions
As I said
I don’t understand what your expectation was.
And we hired him to be the GM not a public speaker. We had a head coach who was a good talker and thats all he did – TALK!
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by Ozraider on Jan 10, 2012 4:15 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
no expectations
just saying what i saw, apparently i need glasses
you are right about hue tho, did talk alot but he tried i cant hate him for that. i guess his shoes were to big and he tripped.
by SmashmouthFB on Jan 10, 2012 4:57 PM PST up reply actions
LOL
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by Ozraider on Jan 10, 2012 5:16 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
My take, McKenzie was being kind to Hue by not saying what he really believed. Something like, "Hue pissed away
a golden opportunity to take the Raiders to the playoffs over the course of several weeks and though he is a friend of mine, I do not believe he warrants coaching “my team” though he would have made a good OC but we both know his ego is too large, so that option wasn’t broached."
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by Sons-of-Blanda on Jan 10, 2012 8:56 PM PST up reply actions
I told you all that Hue would suck as a HC
you all said I was crazy, although I will admit Denarius Moore’s 5 TD’s and 600yrds was a lot more than what I expected from him
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he didnt
he did his best with what he had and it wasn’t to bad but could have been better.
this isn’t even an argument anymore but the truth.
by SmashmouthFB on Jan 10, 2012 3:34 PM PST up reply actions
that's really just it. he didn't suck. the defense did. I'm not tripping on his being fired
in fact, most GMs, and I’ve no doubt most of the folks advising him including John Madden would say to start from scratch, noting perhaps the most notable of recent miscues by the Holmgren administration with allowing Mangini to stick around a year longer than he should have.
This might make us look like we’re taking a step back this year, but it should pay dividends down the road. In today’s game changing faster than ever and favoring the offense, it’s good to have a guy come from an organization with the winning formula in today’s game.
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"In football, I root for the Oakland Raiders because they hire castoffs, outlaws, malcontents, and fuck -ups, they have lots of penalties, fights, and paybacks, and because Al Davis told the rest of the pig NFL owners to go get fucked. Someday, the Raiders will be strong again, and they will dip the ball in shit and shove it down the throats of the wholesome, white, heartland teams that pray together and don't deliver late hits." - George Carlin.
5:30 pst interview with Reggie on The Game
http://player.streamtheworld.com/_players/entercom/player/?id=KGMZ
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by Ozraider on Jan 10, 2012 3:48 PM PST via mobile reply actions
As always
Only if they bring in somebody better to replace him. Another scrub, another noob, some guy pulled out of his bed& breakfast, or a guy who’s just going to be a yesman for Reggie, than no thanks.
Suckers
An incredibly overrated .500 coach
by lchristmas on Jan 10, 2012 4:03 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Wouldn’t be the Raiders if we didn’t stab a young Head Coach in the back only leaving him with a deep hatred for the Silver and Black and a desire to avenge himself.
I think Jackson will take it for what it was
this ain’t his first rodeo, after all.
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by transparent58 on Jan 10, 2012 3:57 PM PST up reply actions
Hue sealed his own fate with his attitude and power grabbing
It was never going to work with with Hubris’ hubris new Sherrif in town.
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by Ozraider on Jan 10, 2012 3:58 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
If there was ever a time to bring back Gruden, it's now
And if not, then it’s time for a real big name coach for a change.
Yeah. Moss needs to come in as DC, or else I’ll be pretty upset with the firing if he becomes Head Coach.
Gruden as HC and Moss as DC would br a dream combo imo
As well as a switch to a 3-4 and TP starting at QB. SIGN ME UP!
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by Ozraider on Jan 10, 2012 4:42 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
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by Ozraider on Jan 10, 2012 5:17 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Probably hit it then, can’t remember though. Haha! Always special when it happens by fate, and you come to recognition of ot. Beautiful.
Have been enjoying a nice backyard yield from last season
nice little variety. The bubblebag shish from all the saved scrap and trim was phenomenal. Dunno why I haven’t been doing that all my life. Was blessed with some ideal weather too. Indoor is a pain in the ass and a whole new can of worms.
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Dayum
I been living in a work funded apartment do had to quit for a while, thinking about quitting my job.
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by Ozraider on Jan 10, 2012 6:01 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Your clever
find a way around this nuisance. Jesus, you live in Australia, can’t you just grow it in the outback with the dingos or something?
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by Rich Langford on Jan 10, 2012 9:20 PM PST up reply actions
hahaha damn straight
the problem is that the kangaroos and Koalas like to feast on tasty buds, if you leave your front door open you can come from taking a duce and there will be a kangaroo in your living room munching your stash XD
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hahaha little high koalas
We have that problem w/ deer here. Thieving pricks
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by Rich Langford on Jan 11, 2012 1:33 PM PST up reply actions
I haven't seen anything as yet to support your dislike of Reggie
Other than your Hue Jackson ball juggling.
I don’t understand how you can possibly say more of the same when we actually now have a GM in place and are about to undertake a compete restructure of the front office. That is as far away from the same ad you can possibly get.
And in regards to Reggie he seems very humble to me and comes with great credentials and impeccable references and endorsements from people like Ron Wolfe and John Madden not sure what else you could ask for.
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by Ozraider on Jan 10, 2012 4:41 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Because we heard grandiose words from Hue
Before the season started too. And when it came to his big press conference, he was vague, presented no clear vision, admitted he fired Hue because it wasn’t “his guy” with no replacement in mind, and generally gave us the same bs every incoming GM for every team does. Look around here, plenty of people expressing doubt in Reggie.
Why can't you just admit already
You NEVER criticize anybody with the last name of “Davis”, and anybody who you perceive as being against a Davis has to go no matter what, and anybody you perceive as being with Davis is the bomb?
Well...
It would be disingenuous for me to deny that I am an unashamed Davis guy.
But in this instance I feel that it is with good reason as I feel that Hue loved some Hue and when given the opportunity acted with Hues interests as number 1 not the Raiders.
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by Ozraider on Jan 10, 2012 5:20 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
There's a new Sheriff in town...
And his name is Reggie Hammond, er, uh, McKenzie.
Perhaps the last “48hrs” were not kind to Hue.
Everyone has a plan 'till they get punched in the mouth.
-Mike Tyson
Jackson
Hue was good at being the OC last year, but this year…no way, not a good HC. 8-8 is not good enough, injuries or not. This years team (even with injuries) did not meet its potential. The penalties are unaceptable, not finishing games is all on him.
I look foreward to a new HC!
I live, breath and breed Silver and Black!
you guys are ignorant
hue was throwing into the wolves this year, lost the fucking owner, the “gm” then lost 3 star players, and still overcame and almost made the playoffs i cant believe some of this shit im reading
there was no control over this team when Al Davis died, he was the man that stepped up and took control and tried to do what Al wanted…. which is JUST WIN BABY! we made a huge leap forward by signing a GM then took a fall back by letting go Jackson, this crap has to stop with the raiders for sure
They're just looking for a clean start to the new regime (or so they say)
I heard some of the players sniveled to Mark about Hue and his handling of the team, some think that played a part in Hues firing…hard to say for sure.
We’ll probably never know the whole truth.
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I doubt Al would have signed off on the Palmer trade
Palmer was there for the taking when Al was alive and he didn’t bite…
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by transparent58 on Jan 10, 2012 4:04 PM PST up reply actions
Jason Campbell wasn't out for the season yet
I still doubt Al would have payed such a steep price, but the season was on the line and Carson is a big armed QB from Al’s favorite place USC
"Now I know what your thinking, did he fire six shots or only five. Ive forgotten myself in all this excitement, but being that this is the 44 magnum, the most powerful handgun in the world and could blow your head clean off, you have to ask your question. Do I feel lucky? Well do ya punk!"
Dirty Harry Callahan
How many SC QBs succeeded for Al?
Marinovich? Al wouldn’t have given up that much for Palmer and I doubt he would have even pursued the deal after Campbell got hurt. Al always believed he put together a great team, and would have expected Boller to step in and play well or he would have pushed for Pryor to get some reps…
The USC thing is overblown, too.
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by transparent58 on Jan 10, 2012 4:39 PM PST up reply actions
You don't think Al would have liked to have Palmer?
That’s ridiculous, no matter what school Palmer went to he is an Al Davis type QB. Maybe not at the price we paid, but he’d of loved to have Palmer and might have paid more with the whole shit performance of Boller, because it was either that or get Orton or scrap the season and that wasn’t a possibility for Hue or Mark they wanted a memorable season for Al’s last one. It didn’t happen and 8-8 isn’t good enough for the world Mark Davis lives in either.
"Now I know what your thinking, did he fire six shots or only five. Ive forgotten myself in all this excitement, but being that this is the 44 magnum, the most powerful handgun in the world and could blow your head clean off, you have to ask your question. Do I feel lucky? Well do ya punk!"
Dirty Harry Callahan
I'll be honest, I expected Al to swing a deal for Palmer in the off season last year
when it didn’t happen, I didn’t give it much thought. I’m sure he approached Mike Brown about it at some point, but was either rebuffed or didn’t like the terms. Even when Campbell went down, I can’t see him acting desperate for another QB and giving up what Hue did for him.
When you can run the ball like we could when Campbell went down, you don’t scrap the season. Hue totally changed the offense when Palmer came in. Rather than power running, we attempted way more passes, changed terminology and hand signals to what Palmer was comfortable with. Go back and watch the first Denver game and compare it to the second…
Losing McFadden hurt, but Bush proved to be capable in the running game.
I was for the Palmer deal initially, I still don’t think it was a terrible one, either. I just don’t think Al Davis makes that deal under those circumstances and gives up what we gave up.
we never retreat we always ATTACK!!!
by transparent58 on Jan 10, 2012 5:19 PM PST up reply actions
Probably not,
but we’ll never know for sure.
If Al doesn’t do the deal we go 4-12 with Boller and Hue gets fired anyway, but we still have two picks one first round in 2012 and and one second in 2013.
Unless of course by some miracle we make the AFC championship game next year then it becomes a first in 2013
"Now I know what your thinking, did he fire six shots or only five. Ive forgotten myself in all this excitement, but being that this is the 44 magnum, the most powerful handgun in the world and could blow your head clean off, you have to ask your question. Do I feel lucky? Well do ya punk!"
Dirty Harry Callahan
I doubt we go 4-12
and Campbell was back in December. We don’t change our game plan, run the ball until they stop it. Take some play action looks down the field, and use our TEs and RBs in the flats, we win games. Hue was all about the deep shots once Palmer became the QB. We took our shots with Campbell, but not nearly as many as we did with Palmer.
Boller would have settled down, or we start running the spread with Pryor. I think we may have been better off riding out Campbell’s injury, especially in the long run.
we never retreat we always ATTACK!!!
by transparent58 on Jan 10, 2012 5:38 PM PST up reply actions
+1
Hue made moves that were in the best interests of Hue and him desperately trying to save his job in the short term.
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by Ozraider on Jan 10, 2012 6:19 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
i honestly do not think that he did the moves to save his job, considering i dont believe he ever thought his job was in jeopardy
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by Marcus Allen Krause on Jan 10, 2012 6:47 PM PST up reply actions
Completely agree
Standing pat would have been a much better way to keep his job.
He didn’t pick the players, he was stuck with boller… No one would have blamed him
He went all in and got rivered…. I dont fault the trade. We thought we had a solid playoff team. Then the defense went from “mediocre” to “worst ever” and 20 never came back.
by lchristmas on Jan 10, 2012 7:17 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Dude we were not going to win games with
Boller dinking and dunking and the mike bush 3 yards and a cloud of dust offense.
I’m ok with hue getting fired because I dont think he was a good head coach. Forget his personnel moves. He did what he thought was best at the time.
by lchristmas on Jan 10, 2012 7:14 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
I agree with this
I highly doubt Al would have paid the price for Carson, Al didnt want to make the Curry deal because he thought the price was too high (then as soon as Al passed Hubris pulled the trigger) but we will never know unfortunately.
I think if anyone has set this franchise back it is Hubris with the bad roster moves.
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by Ozraider on Jan 10, 2012 4:50 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
A 7th for a starting olb to replace a weak link
There is no lower price
by lchristmas on Jan 10, 2012 5:13 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Maybe OZ thinks that Al would have had them pay us to take him off their hands.
Hahaha!
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Al would have worked out a way to make that happen
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by Ozraider on Jan 10, 2012 6:21 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
I am just saying that I felt uncomfortable with the fact
That a trade that Al decided should not proceed was completed by Hue basically before Al had even been burried! It seemed like as soon as Al passed Hubris was on the phone to Pete Carroll making the deal
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by Ozraider on Jan 10, 2012 5:22 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Gotta stop trippin over the trade, brutha. We only traded our first this year, and a 2nd next year. Meaning next year, we have a first! Haha I don’t think it’s that big of a deal. Unless Palmer is cut, or all of a sudden does a polar switch in play, I think the trade is fair.
I'm not talking about the Palmer trade I'm taking about the Curry trade
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by Ozraider on Jan 10, 2012 5:34 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
That trade
is one you just can’t criticize. It was the biggest steal in the NFL this year. Just strange how they took such a late choice and paid most of his salary. You best leave that one alone.
Though I get your analysis about Hue doing a deal Al didn’t want before Al was in the ground and what that said to you about Hue.
Exactly!
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by Ozraider on Jan 10, 2012 6:33 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
What is said about Hue is that he knew Groves was killing us and we needed help right away
Curry is the best LB we have and I am grateful to Hue for looking out for the Raiders while many fans were discombobulated and one or two stricken with a maudlin acedia.
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by Sons-of-Blanda on Jan 10, 2012 9:04 PM PST up reply actions
What if Palmer goes back into retirement?
He might not be too happy with hue getting the ax.
He could say he tried to come back but felt it wasn’t working or what ever. It would burn the Raiders hard.
That is almost what he did to Cincy.
They got some value for him by selling to a desperate franchise.
Not a smart move but a move that was needed?
Only time will tell.
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-Mike Tyson
we can only hope
Maybe we should sign TO to a futures contract and get the ball rolling
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the first good test of McKenzie will be how well he can manipulate moves to get some more picks
he’s a guy who likes to build from picks and waiver FAs, not big name guys, and I’m thinking he’ll use his connections to try and deal away some talent and save us some money in the meantime. This offseason promises to be interesting if for that alone.
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First real test
will be far down the road. We won’t know if he passed until they play. And what the test? Whether he picks the right talent—be it in the draft, among the undrafted, among free agents, and from among our own guys.
That’s where he’s shown talent, and that’s why this seems like such a good hire from where I’m sitting.
I love the Curry deal
still think it was a great deal for the Raiders. I think Al had that lining up before he passed, and Hue just pulled the trigger.
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by transparent58 on Jan 10, 2012 5:20 PM PST up reply actions
Hue admitted in the press conference
That Al said no to the trade.
I don’t not like that particular trade just don’t like the circumstances.
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by Ozraider on Jan 10, 2012 5:23 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
a 7th rounder for a misused guided missile on defense?
to me it was a no brainer, and Curry justified it with his play, IMO. He won’t ever be Derrick Brooks, which was what Carroll was asking him to be, but he can fly sideline to sideline as a WLB…Glad he’s in Silver and Black.
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by transparent58 on Jan 10, 2012 5:34 PM PST up reply actions
As I said I don't have a problem with that particular trade
Just the fact that Al said no then as soon as he passed Hue went and made the trade.
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by Ozraider on Jan 10, 2012 5:36 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Well, cause it was a smart trade. Haha. We all love Al, but just because he’s passed doesn’t mean we have to act like he was the greatest GM ever. I’m not trying to be disrespectful to Al or anything, but I’m just saying.
His point is what the deal said about Hue
About Hue’s head getting big with power. Good deal or not, it was part of a pattern that Ozraider saw and distrusted.
I see that point too
But what hue saw was quentin groves, starting lb
I had plenty of problems with hue, but not that
by lchristmas on Jan 10, 2012 6:47 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
The more Oz rants and you interpret the more Hue seems like a valuable asset
He did judge talent well (our two drafts with Hue were very successful) and he brought in talented players after Houston. A shame he wasn’t still our OC. Hue’s problem wasn’t talent or personality it was lack of a HC character, i.e. ability to lead – essential for a HC. The players didn’t seem to respect him enough.
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by Sons-of-Blanda on Jan 10, 2012 9:11 PM PST up reply actions
I think they did early on
but in the aftermath of Al’s passing and the subsequent power vacuum it created, I think he lost some of the players with his words and deeds. Especially the Palmer trade, where he professed it to be “the best trade in football.” Whether intended or not, some players took this as a slap to the guy the voted one of their captains and viewed as a leader on the team.
I was initially in favor of the move since i didn’t think we could win with Boller/Pryor at the controls for 6 weeks, but hindsight is always 20/20…
We do agree that under the right circumstances Hue is a great OC, though.
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by transparent58 on Jan 10, 2012 10:17 PM PST up reply actions
I'm neither an al hater nor apologist
But if he said no to that trade he was flat out wrong.
by lchristmas on Jan 10, 2012 6:45 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
i dont blame Hue
but you just gotta take it as it is. A new GM wants to hire his own coaches so there are no excuses of why he isnt doing a good job or why the team isnt performing
Well obviously the organisation disagree with you
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by Ozraider on Jan 10, 2012 4:01 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Is it ignorant not to expect a new GM/Football Czar not to bring in his guy?
The GM and Head Coach need to be on the same page, or else you end up with an A.J. Smith/Schottenheimer situation, where even after a winning season the coach gets canned.
I think Hue deserved another year, but it’s not my decision. I wasn’t totally surprised by the way it went, either. It’s pretty much standard operating procedure in the NFL.
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by transparent58 on Jan 10, 2012 4:02 PM PST up reply actions
Look..
How can you make a GM accountable for the team if he does not have his guys running the show?
He will take about 2-3 years to get this team situated.
If we are fortunate, the right guy could make an immediate impact.
Like SF has with Jimmy.
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Preaching to the choir, my friend.
I like HueJax as much as any other Raider fan, but McKenzie has earned the right to surround himself with “his” guys. If it fails, so be it. We’re really no worse off as fans since we’ve absorbed complete shit for most of the past decade, anyway.
Keeping Hue on as the HC likely would have lengthened the process for McKenzie, if not completely undermined it, anyway.
I get why fans are bitching, but I don’t think they’re viewing this situation in the right context. It’s understandable since this “context” is heretofore unheard of in Raider Nation, but there’s precedent in other organizations and other sports for what we’re about to deal with.
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by transparent58 on Jan 10, 2012 10:12 PM PST up reply actions
I think Hue did a good job with what he was given. Until McFadden and Jason Campbell got hurt, things were looking pretty good. Even if you like Palmer more than Campbell as the Raiders QB, he still wasn’t ready to run or even know the offense as well as Campbell did at that point.
This was Hue’s first season as the Raiders coach, never an easy job. You can’t expect him to suddenly bring the Raiders to a 12-4 team after so many injuries and the death of a very involved owner. Now if this were the second or third season and we’re still getting mediocre results, then yeah I can see it maybe happening.
The Raiders need some stability at head coach. I think one of the biggest problems we have with coaches/the team is that players probably figure “why listen to this guy? He’ll be gone at the end of the year anyways.”
The past is the past, though, and it’s time to move on. I don’t agree with firing Hue Jackson, but as I don’t own the Raiders I’ll have to live with it. I hope we hire someone who is very talented at HC and stick with them for YEARS, not months.
My thanks go out to Hue and the past regime.
We had some hope in the Raider Nation this year and it would not have been there without Hue.
Do you agree or disagree?
I like the play calling early on in the season but without the weapons of speed, the same plays did not work.
A good head coach should be like an orchestra conductor.
He does not play any part of the music, but keeps everyone “on the same sheet of music”,
sets the tempo, and emphasizes the highs and lows to make some beautiful music together, never allowing the wrong parts to overplay the others.
We have “heard” some good solos, and had some great performances, but too many mistakes and short comings hurt the overall performance. This band is breaking up,
No Van Hagar moments here. We are going all out to a new Guns N Roses type of band.
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I am shocked.... And a little disappointed
Hue wasn’t all that bad. He was a better OC than head coach, but I remember Chucky making mistakes in year one too. I liked the man’s intensity, and his bark. With a real DC he could be still playing, and thusly still the HC of the Raiders.
On the other hand, he did some really inexcusable stuff. When to and when to not go for two is a head coaches job to know. Kicking a FG is also a HC’s decision, and he missed that call a few times too. He called the plays on O, and for lack of a better word, this year they lacked the creativity of last year. EVERY damn first down it was a run up the gut. UGH!!!! Where was the naked bootleg plays of the SD game last year. Where were the play action hidden passes of yesteryear? Hue looked overwhelmed and was trying to wear too many hats. HC/GM/assistant OC/ and play caller were too much for one rookie coach to handle.
Would REALLY have like to see him with a real DC in place. Gonna hate facing the man in the future, as he is a pretty good coach. Hopefully he doesn’t arise as OC in KC! UGH!
Thanks for everything Mr. Jackson, and good luck in your ventures.
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by Raymond St. Martin (Saint) on Jan 10, 2012 4:06 PM PST up reply actions
Raiders just set him free, on a day that KC is looking for a guy....
Mr. Mckenzie could have waited a few weeks first, and feel out the situation first. Instead he is free to seek employment, and there is a prime position in the AFC west open for him.
We could use him as OC here
Thanks for the possibility!
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by Bleedingredandgold on Jan 10, 2012 4:06 PM PST up reply actions
I think Crennel sticks with Muir at OC
just a hunch, but it seemed like Haley handcuffed his play calling and the offense looked better after Haley was sent packing. I’ve said it a lot of times, but I see Hue eventually replacing Brian Schottenheimer with the Jets, but starting off as the QB or WR coach first…
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by transparent58 on Jan 10, 2012 4:13 PM PST up reply actions
Word here is that Muir will retire
Just the rumor-mill, but I’d like to see Hue as OC. I thought TH being gone would change things with Muir, and it seemed so after the GB game, but we went backwards after that. Fresh blood is needed in KC at OC, and Hue could do it, and give you guys fits for years to come. ;-)
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by Bleedingredandgold on Jan 10, 2012 4:20 PM PST up reply actions
It's possible, I guess
though it seems Hue is from a different coaching tree than your typical Pioli hires. Though Crennel did go outside that tree in Cleveland.
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by transparent58 on Jan 10, 2012 4:41 PM PST up reply actions
wasn'[t he a good OC for y'all?
doubt we’ll hire him, but it would be nice to have a good, proven OC on board
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by Bleedingredandgold on Jan 10, 2012 4:54 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah he was
Honestly you guys should consider him for OC. Our offense sprang to life like we hadn’t seen it for years when he got here.
When Reggie gets done building a champion...
Hue can try to “bully” the Raiders all he wants.
The heart of a “champion” will never fall to a “bully”.
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some of that had to do with dropping a deuce, too.
Hue did a great job with our 2010 offense, but it was also addition by subtraction in the personnel department.
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by transparent58 on Jan 10, 2012 5:21 PM PST up reply actions
A healthy Jamaal Charles
makes me worry…until I realize their OL is complete farce, and the ownership is only committed to turning a profit rather than winning. I’m from that area, and the loyalty of Chiefs fans still flummoxes me.
Lamar Hunt never wanted his franchise in Kansas City, he only moved them there when he realized he couldn’t compete with the Cowboys.
Even though I’m bred from that Midwestern farmer/coal miner stock, I’m sure he looked at KC and said, “I win one championship, and these idiots will pay my great-great-great-great-grandchildren’s trust funds. What a great place to sell mediocrity, and they’ll actually be proud of that mediocrity.”
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by transparent58 on Jan 10, 2012 7:06 PM PST up reply actions
ALL I CAN SAY IS:
Thanks for this you fat ass fucking piece of shit mother fucking retarded panda! I hope you choke on the next piece of meat you eat and fade into the light
You cant blame Bresnahan
Yes there were major problems in defense but the head coach is responsible for all phases of the team and failed to address anything on defense at all.
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by Ozraider on Jan 10, 2012 4:12 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Bres was most definitely the MAIN factor
not all of the blame, but the main thing. His D wasn’t so shitty, then the Raiders are playing Ptt and not Jesus 3:16. Hue would then be the HC, and thusly a coach that took his team to the playoffs. Unless you are San Diego, you don’t fire a playoff HC.
IMO Chuck deserves the lions share of this blame.
i agree that Panda was a big reason for the firing but i disagree that making the playoffs would have guaranteed Hues job
Maybe beating pitt saves it but losing in the first round might have had the same consequences. Gms want their own guy in, not somebody who is going to have a power struggle with u.
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by Marcus Allen Krause on Jan 10, 2012 6:55 PM PST up reply actions
What could he have done? Trade for some star player? Start designing and calling the defensive plays? And no, the Head Coach is not responsible for all phases of the team. At some point the players have to be blamed.
it wasnt mcclains idea to cover calvin johnson and vincent jackson
while stanford routt blitzes. if it was then we have bigger problems
No it's his job to change the fng play when he makes the read...
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I think only a certain number of defensive have the ability to change coverages on the fly
guys like Vilma and Lewis…
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by transparent58 on Jan 10, 2012 4:20 PM PST up reply actions
That was McClains job per Hue
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and it's obvious Hue had a huge influence on the defense
or did he? Either McClain wasn’t ready for that role or Jackson was talking out his ass…
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by transparent58 on Jan 10, 2012 9:10 PM PST up reply actions
Mlb is not a quarterback
They can’t always “check out” of a coverage. The defense doesn’t hike the ball.
That was all chuck
by lchristmas on Jan 10, 2012 5:15 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
At some point, if you are the person at the helm
you take control of your crew. If you have a moron on the staff, you replace him, or relieve him of duties and take over yourself. Good leaders of ANY position do not continue to allow an idiot to repeat catastrophic mistakes. Yet Panda was allowed to call that 4th quarter “prevent, tampa 2, lack of pass rush” D all year long. Hue even admitted he was aware in Buffalo,and allowed it to bite the Raiders ALL year long.
+1
Hue also had the power to fire Chuck if he felt he was sinking the team.
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by Ozraider on Jan 10, 2012 4:22 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
and replace with who? Waufle? Woodson? Ross?
Bresnahan was shit, but I don’t know who on the staff would have done a better job, either.
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by transparent58 on Jan 10, 2012 4:27 PM PST up reply actions
Any change would have shaken up the D and got the players attention
And doing something is much more preferable to doing nothing.
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by Ozraider on Jan 10, 2012 4:44 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
any one of them...
Beikert was an MLB in his days, he should be able to call some plays and checks too
and how much experience did Beikert have as a coach? Coordinator?
Woodson was a studio analyst at NFL network last year. Waufle and Ross were the only real experienced position coaches, but great players don’t always make great coaches (see: Singletary, Mike)
It was a turd sandwich we were stuck with, unfortunately…hope the scheme and execution improve with the new regime.
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by transparent58 on Jan 10, 2012 5:31 PM PST up reply actions
That's not really the question, though
the question is could he have done better? It’s not Beikert was on any shut down defenses and the best one he was on was under Bresnahan. The only defensive coaches that had experience outside Al D’s preferred defense were Woodson and Ross. Waufle did wonders on Spagnuolo’s staff with the Giants, but that DL hasn’t really fallen off in his absence, either…
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by transparent58 on Jan 10, 2012 9:14 PM PST up reply actions
I totally agree that the players should be blamed
I screamed for weeks that everyone was cometely letting the players off the hook but if they were preaching at the players constantly about penalties and discipline on defense the clearly the players had tuned Bres AND Hubris out.
I don’t expect Hue to draw up a scheme but he certainly should be able to fix discipline and mental mistakes. It seems to me that Hue didn’t really play any role in the defense at all.
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by Ozraider on Jan 10, 2012 4:20 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
you are correct, he appeared to play no role in the D at all
that was a major failure on his behalf. He was aware of the problem in Buffalo, he needed to step in and either help the fatso do his job better, or relieve him of his duties and find someone better (perhaps Beikert, he was a MLB for a long time) as an interim DC (much like KC did with Romeo).
Can't blame Bresnahan?
Sure the HC has to take a lot of the responsibility, but Bresnahan was the DC. His ONLY job is to make the defense work. He failed miserably. Hue isn’t a defense guy and it doesn’t sound like he had the power to fire Bresnahan and get someone else in there, so beyond that I’m not sure what Hue could have done.
When would Hue have canned Bresnahan?
Midseason? Has that EVER worked?
Even if Hue couldn’t have shit canned Bresnahan, he could have removed his play calling abilities or neutered his ability to fuck up the defense. Instead, he was too busy being “Hollywood Hue” at team headquarters and trying to force Palmer on the offense.
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by transparent58 on Jan 10, 2012 9:17 PM PST up reply actions
I'm neutral but hope it was a good move
I think so many of us had seen so many shitty coaches come and go since Gruden was traded, that we saw more in Hue than was there. Had he only had to adjust to his first head coaching gig, he may have been alright, but he had to deal with more than any rookie HC has ever had to deal with and came up a little short. To me, his firing had less to do with his performance than it had to do with an inevitable organizational shake up after losing Mr. Davis.
I have mixed feelings on it, but I sort of expected it, too. If not this year, then next. If you’re going to rebuild a motor, you may as well use new pistons and gaskets.
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OK lets say winston moss is the new HC
who is hired for DC and OC? and if Moss is the new DC who is the new HC and OC?
saunders could remain the OC
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Could we get Hue back????
The O was better with him as OC. Saunders has been passed around the NFL like the village bicycle. There is a reason he was seeking employment when the Raiders called.
I doubt Hue comes back
but Saunders is a great OC, has been for decades. Doesn’t fit the Green Bay profile, but I can see keeping Saunders around if we move forward with the cast we have in place. We’re built for power running and vertical passing, but it will all depend on who gets hired as Head Coach.
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by transparent58 on Jan 10, 2012 4:26 PM PST up reply actions
you mean EGO
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I guess, but that's just, you know, being human.
Imagine you just got fired and then your boss asks you to come back in a demoted role. Unless you have no other job offers and absolutely need a job right now then I doubt anybody would take that job.
Hue may eventually come back to the Raiders
but I doubt it’s while McKenzie is at the controls. Hue’s a pro, though, and he’ll likely end up where the money and situation is best. Plus he’s a CA guy. Of all the AFC West teams, I can see him with the Sharters more than any other team, though. He’s from the same Zampese/Coryell tree as Norvel, and Norv’s seat has to be warming up…
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by transparent58 on Jan 10, 2012 8:24 PM PST up reply actions
Coaches decision
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I say Kevin Greene becomes a favorite for DC
OC would maybe be Clements…That’s IF Moss gets the HC nod, which isn’t guaranteed right now.
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by transparent58 on Jan 10, 2012 4:18 PM PST up reply actions
This is big
“Yeah, Los Angeles is a possibility. Anywhere is a possibility. We’ve got to get a stadium.” – @Raiders owner Mark Davis
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by Ozraider on Jan 10, 2012 4:27 PM PST via mobile reply actions
If they move back to LA
or anywhere, I’ll pretty much hate Mark Davis forever. I’ll still love the Raiders, but I’ll be so damn pissed. I’ve stuck by this team through a lot of really crappy years. I want to see them stop sucking while they’re still in Oakland.
I live in Fresno
if they move to LA it’s that much fucking farther to drive.
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by ROFLCOPTER16 on Jan 10, 2012 7:44 PM PST up reply actions
I live in Phoenix, and would buy season tix if they moved to LA
That said, the Raiders belong in the East Bay. I hope Oakland and Alameda County meet them half way to keep them there. The A’s need a new stadium, too. Hit up those silicon valley cock smokers and make it happen…
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by transparent58 on Jan 10, 2012 8:20 PM PST up reply actions
It ain't about Hue!
Or Breezy or anyone else currently in the orgnization. It’s about the Raiders and Winning. That requires change! People fear change but it is necessary and healthy. This is the first change post Al Davis and we should embrace it and be excited for our future. Forget the past, Mark Davis has, and lets all move on.
From the GM...
McKenzie spoke of reshaping the franchise with his vision and leadership.
“The legacy of the Raiders is steeped in tradition but with all things there comes a time when change is necessary and for the Raiders, that time is now,” McKenzie said. “The Raiders organization, with respect and deference to all its tradition and history, is about to embark on a new era.”
Yeah, that's what this is about
And it’s what a lot of people have waited to happen for years.
Well, it’s happening. You just watched it happen today.
not according to Mark, he said Reggie's leash is not as short as Hue's...
"There comes a point an a mans life, he has to step up… I dont care what kind of man you are!!! there come’s a point where he has to fight!!! He has to has that in ’em! He gotta have that in ’em… Lets go, LETS GO!!! FIGHT on 3… 1-2-3- FIGHT!!!! -Richard Seymour
ok ok ok ok ok
so i guess we wait for 2 years till we make it to the playoffs huh… smfh
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Not necessarily the results you hope for but the likely one to expect
no guarantee keeping Hue would’ve changed that really, either.
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yeah but who likes constant change? the harder I resist it, the harder it makes sense.
i supported Cable till he got canned… I supported Hue till he got canned… who’s next? It just gets old.
I really felt that this year was the year actually had stability.
"There comes a point an a mans life, he has to step up… I dont care what kind of man you are!!! there come’s a point where he has to fight!!! He has to has that in ’em! He gotta have that in ’em… Lets go, LETS GO!!! FIGHT on 3… 1-2-3- FIGHT!!!! -Richard Seymour
I totally get that
Raiders
Warriors
A’s
tell me about it!
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thats why its tough to buy a raiders jersey
everytime u get one the player gets cut or traded after a year
Thats why I always buy a retired players jersey........lol
by A Stable Stabler on Jan 10, 2012 5:19 PM PST up reply actions
Have my Howie Long throwback
and a customized away jersey with my old number (58) and my name on it…can’t bring myself to drop that kind of coin on something that could go away next season. I think my next one will be a 1970 away Jim Otto jersey (basically the same scheme they had in 2009 for the throwbacks.)
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by transparent58 on Jan 10, 2012 6:55 PM PST up reply actions
I was lucky enough to get my hands on a signed Jim Otto away jersey
Best jersey ever
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by Ozraider on Jan 10, 2012 8:03 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Does Otto Retire?
He has been with the franchise for…ever.
Does he hang up the leg after Reggie is running the show?
Otto is the man!
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Not sure, there
He’s not involved in the day-to-day football operations, but more in community outreach and special projects. I’m sure he falls more under Mark Davis and Amy Trask and has a lifetime deal to work for the Raiders.
If Mark Davis has half the business savvy of his old man, he’ll keep the lines open to Raiders HoFer from the 70’s to help leverage Oakland into a new stadium for the Raiders alone.
Reggie will only oversee the football operations, he’ll have a minimal impact on the corporate interests of the Raiders.Inc.
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by transparent58 on Jan 10, 2012 10:04 PM PST up reply actions
Well, the lack of continuity was addressed at the presser
and they said they want a long term HC and staff and that all the members of the Raiders front office, coaching staff and players are going to be on the same page and that winning championships is the goal.
The Greatness of the Raiders is alive and well and it’s taking a new turn, hopefully for the better.
"Now I know what your thinking, did he fire six shots or only five. Ive forgotten myself in all this excitement, but being that this is the 44 magnum, the most powerful handgun in the world and could blow your head clean off, you have to ask your question. Do I feel lucky? Well do ya punk!"
Dirty Harry Callahan
Positive Change is good!
Remember, everyone in that organization was put there by Al D. This is now Reggie’s team to build and shape. This is the first decision by the new GM. Every other change before was done by Al. This is all uncharted water with lots of change coming. The past 10 years have been Band-Aids and short crappy fixs. Have faith good things to come!
I think this "change" was inevitable
When Al died, we knew something like this was going to happen. Mark Davis isn’t the football man his dad was. They needed a football operations side of the house after Al died, because Al was the entire house. Bringing in a GM is going to have a ripple effect throughout the organization. I doubt coaching turnover becomes the norm under McKenzie, not coming from where he’s coming from.
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by transparent58 on Jan 10, 2012 5:26 PM PST up reply actions
This was the end of that
We put the old Raiders in the ground today. Hue’s firing, the presser. Today is the day that Mark Davis became an owner, that one era ended and another began. You have to see it that way because that is what happened.
Exactly
While I wanted to believe that Al and Hue had us on the upward trend, that pretty much ended with Campbell’s clavicle.
It’s going to be tough for some fans to deal with today because today was the first time in almost 50 years that a Raiders decision didn’t involve Al Davis.
It’s Mark’s team now, and he’s entrusted it to Reggie. I’ll wait to see how it plays out before I criticize.
I guess the worst thing that could happen in some Raiders fans eyes is for the Raiders to start doing business like every other NFL team. The dysfunctional genius that was Al Davis made the Raiders stand out. I think some of us, though, have been wanting some normalcy in the actions of our favorite team for a long time, too.
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by transparent58 on Jan 10, 2012 6:44 PM PST up reply actions
This is exactly what is sad about today
Though the presser brought be around to the decision, made it understandable and reasonable, one regret I have is that we are putting the old Raiders in the ground.
In many ways—entirely sincere or not—Hue is very “old Raiders.” Al hired him. He constantly referenced Al. We were still dysfunctional on the field and a wild card off of it. And we still made news. The best moment of the NFL season is the “missing man formation” play that ended in Huff’s pick, and then watching Hue break down on the field immediately afterward. That moment is pure Raiders. And that identity and all that goes with it is a huge part of my identity as a fan of this team. So there’s regret mixed in with the acceptance of and expectation for what’s to come.
I completely agree
I loved this year’s Raiders until Campbell got hurt. I gave the Palmer experiment it’s day in court, and rooted them on.
Hue was in many ways the most appropriate coach to be in place when Al passed. While I’m optimistic about the direction Reggie McKenzie will take us, I view Hue’s exit as the final nail in the coffin of Al Davis’s “Team of the Decades.”
The maverick spirit of the Raiders, while not totally dead today, has changed quite a bit. We no longer have our Sinatra figure, but I think Mark Davis did a great job in identifying the guy who will become the bridge from Al to post-Al and do so with the reverence for Al Davis and the know how of Ron Wolf.
Still, the Raiders were obviously at their best when both Al Davis and Ron Wolf were at the controls. Reggie is indebted to both the yin and the yang of the Raiders greatness.
The only constant is change, and the Oakland Raiders have come full circle today. Ron Wolf helped build the Raiders “Badasses,” Ron Wolf and Al Davis drafted Reggie McKenzie our of Tennessee in 1984. Ron Wolf left the Raiders for good in 1990 and went to Green Bay. In 1994 he brought McKenzie to his staff in Green Bay. In 1996, Ron Wolf saw the team built win the last championship he was associated with…15 years later, his protege, at his recommendation, returns to the Silver and Black to fill the void left by a legend.
It’s the Circle of Life, Simba.
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by transparent58 on Jan 10, 2012 7:21 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah, moving forward
But still very much the Raiders in terms of lineage. That’s good to know.
yup. bittersweet for sure
but it’s been a long time coming, and we should’ve lamented it’s departure long ago when it stopped working in today’s game. Holding onto it for the tailspin sucked in so many ways. But I’ll always miss the headhunting defensive backs.
""The massive Raider Nation is beyond doubt the sleaziest and rudest and most sinister mob of thugs and wackos ever assembled."--Hunter S. Thompson
"In football, I root for the Oakland Raiders because they hire castoffs, outlaws, malcontents, and fuck -ups, they have lots of penalties, fights, and paybacks, and because Al Davis told the rest of the pig NFL owners to go get fucked. Someday, the Raiders will be strong again, and they will dip the ball in shit and shove it down the throats of the wholesome, white, heartland teams that pray together and don't deliver late hits." - George Carlin.
Compared to the juggernaut Jackson built in his two years in the organization?
two straight .500 seasons ain’t cutting the mustard, either, mang. We SHOULD have been a playoff team the past TWO seasons but the coaches let us down…
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by transparent58 on Jan 10, 2012 9:22 PM PST up reply actions
it's really the smart move for Reggie. I think the only way a guy would be kept would be if we somehow did get Moss last year
and it were already a guy in place that was one of Reggie’s guys. He’d have suffered scrutiny forever if kept Hue on board and it in fact proved detrimental to his own results as a new GM.
""The massive Raider Nation is beyond doubt the sleaziest and rudest and most sinister mob of thugs and wackos ever assembled."--Hunter S. Thompson
"In football, I root for the Oakland Raiders because they hire castoffs, outlaws, malcontents, and fuck -ups, they have lots of penalties, fights, and paybacks, and because Al Davis told the rest of the pig NFL owners to go get fucked. Someday, the Raiders will be strong again, and they will dip the ball in shit and shove it down the throats of the wholesome, white, heartland teams that pray together and don't deliver late hits." - George Carlin.
I realize that Reggie wants the clean slate but what does that do to us fans?
we been sitting back here every year just watching the organization run like a circus…. It just kills me to go through it…
and youre right… if Moss was here, he probably wouldve stayed but even Reggie said if he would made the playoffs it would of made a difference wether or not he kept him. So its one of those things…
Just gotta get used to it, cause it makes me think “if you’re not one of Reggie’s boys” then your SOL
"There comes a point an a mans life, he has to step up… I dont care what kind of man you are!!! there come’s a point where he has to fight!!! He has to has that in ’em! He gotta have that in ’em… Lets go, LETS GO!!! FIGHT on 3… 1-2-3- FIGHT!!!! -Richard Seymour
I'm pretty sure that what this move does to us fans
is of little consequence to Reggie.
He knows that if he puts a winner on the field we’ll all line up to kiss his spotted ass.
We’ve had a run of Al’s boys that didn’t workout so well, So now it’s time to see what Reggie’s boys can do.
"Now I know what your thinking, did he fire six shots or only five. Ive forgotten myself in all this excitement, but being that this is the 44 magnum, the most powerful handgun in the world and could blow your head clean off, you have to ask your question. Do I feel lucky? Well do ya punk!"
Dirty Harry Callahan
I dont know about you
But seeing us get a GM which we have not had since the Gruden years, Seeing us getting a scouting department so we get football players not track stars to develop, seeing us all moving in 1 direction , Sounds better than anything Hue said. If you dont think a rookie HC can make a difference……get some binoculars and look across the bay. I really think this is the stability WE ALL WANT, a GM picked by the hands off owner.A GM who will let his coach pick his staff. I am not sure what your definition of stability is but I am very encouraged this is it.
Now some seem to think Reggie owes us a total play by play on why Hue got fired. Well it appears your not going to ever know what the real reason is.Unless you like I think he wanted his guy. I thought that was very stand up of him,instead of saying he threw the team under the bus and likewise threw Hue under the bus.
Some of you want a play by play on who will start,who will he trade ,how will he build,whats his vision- to build a great franchise.——Hmm sounds like Al saying to be the greatest sports franchise of all time to me…..
by Canadian Raider on Jan 10, 2012 5:08 PM PST up reply actions
Reggie knows the fans opinions will change when the team is winning
and he’s more confident in doing that with people that are on the same page with him and moving in the same direction.
The only time I can think of that is remotely similar to what we’re seeing in Oakland was what happened with Schottenheimer and A.J. Smith in San Diego. Schottenheimer was hired by Smith’s predecessor right before he passed. Smith and Schotteneheimer co-existed for four seasons but rarely spoke after 2004. The disagreed on personnel moves and pretty much hated each other’s guts. Their relationship fractured the team, and ruined Smith’s ability to bring in any reputable head coach because of how publicly the divorce played out (and firing a coach after a 14-2 season just reeks of vinegar and water.)
You don’t become a GM to carry on someone else’s legacy. You do it to establish your own. McKenzie’s seen, first hand, how to build a consistent winner, even when it means pissing off your fans (he was a part of the decision to trade Brett Favre to the Jets.) To be a good GM you have to believe you’re smarter than your fans then prove it to them, and you have to work. While he may or may not have the Ron Wolf magic as it relates to talent evaluation, he’s been around great teams as a player for the Raiders, and as a scout and executive for the Packers. He knows the formula, now we just have to see him apply it.
On your last sentence, do you think this is really that much of a departure from how Al ran the team? How any other GM runs his team? Al surrounded himself with people that were loyal to him and kept them around forever. He never looked outside the organization for a head coach until AFTER he won his Super Bowls. Madden and Flores were internal promotions, and even after flirting with what was then a wunderkind offensive mind in Shannahan, he stayed loyal to his Raiders by firing Shannahan for wanting to fire Art Shell, then promoting Shell and nearly getting another Super Bowl out of the deal (damn Bo Jackson’s hip!)
Parcells did the same thing, Bellichek does it, too. You see it all over the NFL. It’s why Romeo Crennel is getting another shot at being a Head Coach in KC. It’s why Andy Reid foolishly promoted his OL coach to DC. It’s why Greg Knapp always seems to have a job, and why Hue Jackson will find a job on the staff Rex Ryan’s staff or back in Baltimore with Cam Cameron or somewhere. Football people like to surround themselves with like minded football people. Unfortunately, Reggie McKenzie and Hue Jackson weren’t like minded.
If Hue had to be the sacrificial lamb for Reggie McKenzie to return this organization back to being one of the top organizations in football, then I’m cool with it. If Reggie struggles with “his guys” it will be viewed as a huge mistake. It’s the risk you take in the vacuum created by the loss of a legend like Al Davis.
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by transparent58 on Jan 10, 2012 6:19 PM PST up reply actions 5 recs
+1
Great post
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by Ozraider on Jan 10, 2012 6:37 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
This is one of the best post I've read
You need to develop it a bit, add more of your analysis, and make it its own post.
The circus left town today
In it’s place is the real organization you’ve been waiting for. Now you can sit back and watch something being build, not having to look over your shoulder for the next crazy-ass thing coming your way.
Today is the day you stopped going through. It’s the first day of a new Raider world. That’s what happened today.
Absolutely
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by Ozraider on Jan 10, 2012 6:55 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
The greatest thing for me
Is that with Reggie in place and Hubris flipping burgers I finally feel like I can be optimistic about the future of the franchise again.
It truley feels like a new dawn for the Nation.
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by Ozraider on Jan 10, 2012 7:04 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Jackson will be back
He’s too good an offensive coach to stay “flipping burgers.” it’s completely appropriate that he was Al’s last head coaching hire…about a decade too late.
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by transparent58 on Jan 10, 2012 7:23 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah he will be snapped up as an OC pretty quick
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by Ozraider on Jan 10, 2012 7:53 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
LOL.
FO: “We’ll give you three first rounders for him”
Reggie: “Fuck yes!”
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by ROFLCOPTER16 on Jan 10, 2012 7:56 PM PST up reply actions
Agreed
but it will have to be with a gambling coach like Rex Ryan. He doesn’t fit the MO of Bellichek disciple like Crennel. Crennel had Chudzinski as his OC in Cleveland before he got canned, and that offense looked nothing like the offense Chud put together in Carolina. Hue started off as a run-first OC, then chucked that idea when Palmer came into the fold…
He fits better with the Jets, though I’m sure having Charles, McCluster and Bowe in KC would be fun for him, too. Depending on who gets the Rams job, I could see him there working with Bradford, especially if they draft Blackmon…
He had his half dream season with Palmer, unless we cut him, I doubt he gets that chance again…
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by transparent58 on Jan 10, 2012 8:18 PM PST up reply actions
Horrible move
This team was growing on offense (Hue’s offense) and was a good defensive coordinator away from being playoff bound. Now we have to start from scratch on both levels and I think this is going to bite us in the ass. This was the dumbest thing McKenzie could have done. I know Hue got a little to big for his britches, but he was getting this team on track and all that stood in his was was Bresnahan. Think about it, without Jackson DMAC is a total bust at this point even if he was fully healthy every year. I HATE being a raiders fan sometimes because everything is always changing and never growing. McKenzie better be right about this move and get us to the playoffs next season with a top 10 offense and a solid defense. As a fan I am so tired of all the constant change that happens with this team that it really is becoming hard to enjoy rooting for them.
Win Lose or Tie, Raiders Til I Die
Good call on the DMC thing
Hue did save his ass from the “bust” lable
So, only Hue could have continued that progression?
McKenzie was brought to lead this organization after the only leader it had ever known passed on. McKenzie knew Al Davis, was drafted by and played for Al Davis. He also came of age as an executive under the tutelage of Al’s right hand man in building the dominant Raiders teams of the 70’s and 80’s in Ron Wolf. I can think of no better pedigree for the man to lead this organization after Al Davis than that possessed by Reggie McKenzie.
A lot of people are acting as if this is just the same old Raider way of management, but the circumstances here are far more different. This wasn’t Al saying 8-8 ain’t good enough like when he canned Mike White or Tom Cable. This a complete change in the way the organization is run from what we’re used to seeing. For almost 50 years all Raiders decisions came from one man and only one man. Sometimes those decisions were capricious, sometimes they were genius, sometimes they made you almost jump out of your skin. The man that made those decisions is gone, and he passed down his beloved Raidas to his son. On the advice of some of Al’s most trusted advisers, Mark Davis chose to bring in Reggie McKenzie to run the football side of the franchise.
With every change in leadership, comes a commensurate change in the subordinate positions. This is no different. What makes it feel different is that Raider Nation is so accustomed to the same leader, because it’s really the only leader the franchise has ever had. This change was necessary because of the changes at the top of the organization. We saw first hand what happened with the Head Coach and GM hated each other with Lane Kiffin and to a lesser extent, Tom Cable. For an organization to function best, they Coach and GM have to be on the same page and have a good working relationship. McKenzie has to bring in his guys, or we’ll never know if he was the right guy to take on this job.
Barring a complete roster makeover, our only free agents are Bush and Branch. There should be a decent market for both, and I hope we get one back in the fold ASAP. Beyond that, we’ll return essentially the same team barring some cap casualties. We’ve always been a talented team. Al pursued talented players like no one else, now we might actually see how that talent performs with some discipline.
A part of me is sad to see Hue go, because I genuinely liked his swagger and some of what he did as both OC and Head Coach, but there’s more at stake in this deal than just the 2012 season.
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by transparent58 on Jan 10, 2012 6:39 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
ya Hue being fired is bad for next year
but best for the Raiders future. better get it out of the way now than keep rebuilding every two years
I don't even know that it's bad for 2012 just yet
Remember there were rumblings that Hue alienated this team with the Palmer deal and his subsequent gushing over Palmer. Campbell was a team captain and recognized leader for the younger offensive players. Hell, Ford and Murphy are in his wedding in the coming months. Hue was “pissed” at his players for the SD game…maybe the players choked away some winnable games because they were “pissed” at Hue.
His handling of the McClain situation probably didn’t get him any credibility in the locker room, either.
We’ll never know for sure, since no one will really talk about it…it’s not impossible, though.
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by transparent58 on Jan 10, 2012 6:52 PM PST up reply actions
Another phenomenal post
Take all your thoughts on this—the post here and the one above and more—and write a full entry that can be promoted to the front page.
One of the things that’s great about the net: you can find the best writing about a team in places like this.
It's about time your recognized my brilliance :p
do I just post it to the fan posts area and hope you see it, or should I email you my drafts for final approval?
These were just on the fly posts, BTW.
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by transparent58 on Jan 10, 2012 6:58 PM PST up reply actions
You are certainly on fire today man!
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by Ozraider on Jan 10, 2012 7:10 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
I just get the feeling that if McKenzie had kept Jackson
we’d be seeing the same rhetoric with a different slant. He was in damned if you, damned if you don’t situation, and at least he was decisive…
I guess I’m alone in recognizing that Hue Jackson was a very good coach, but that he wasn’t without flaw. Some of the things I liked about him could have been negatives as this transition began to take shape, too. He was brash, loved the camera, and the sound of his own voice. Maybe I’m alone in seeing that those qualities ran completely counter to Reggie McKenzie’s personality.
I understand the dissent, I really do. Hell I agree with most of it, but it’s not going to undo what’s been done. I also learned a long time ago that football guys are where they are and I’m where I am for a reason.
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by transparent58 on Jan 10, 2012 7:33 PM PST up reply actions
Agree
You’re not alone in recognizing Jackson was a very good coach, but had his flaws. And that these flaws didn’t likely fit with who McKenzie appears to be.
Good luck to Hue. I’ll miss him. Would love to have him as an OC, though realize there’s no shot of that. Hope that his replacement changes the culture here, while still staying creative on offense.
I think it's all perspective, too
Hue was the best coach the Raiders have had since Jon Gruden, but the complete ineptitude of the coaches between the two might incline some of us to paint him a more romantic light. Yes, the offense improved greatly on his watch as both OC and Head Coach, but how much of that had to do with clearing the albatross that was The Number Two? How much of it had to do with a mostly healthy McFadden?
Campbell, contrary to Al’s depiction wasn’t the new Jim Plunkett, and Al was never fully sold on Plunk as the best QB available, even after delivering two Lombardis. He was a serviceable game manager that could make plays when asked to do so. Hue was at his best when finding those opportunities. His game plan and play calling changed quite a bit when Palmer came into the fold. We started taking more shots down the field, and while I know McFadden was hurt, Bush could have piled up better numbers had we committed to using him as the battering ram he was and was always meant to be.
We started the season off as a running ’bully" with a two headed monster at RB, and ended it as a pass-first team that put more pressure on our suspect defense than really need to be there.
Hue showed his lack of head coaching experience by making that strategic change, and it cost us the playoffs. Compare that with what Kubiak did in Houston once both his top 2 Qbs went down, and you see what experience in the Head Coaching role will do for you.
An experienced coach would have found a way to keep winning with Boller or Pryor at QB until Campbell was good to go, again. An experienced GM wouldn’t have given the Bengals what we did for Palmer, and we’d likely still be playing.
Hue wasn’t ready for what his first year as HC threw his way, and, in his defense, I doubt there are many coaches packing the gear to deal with the adversity he saw.
It’s not like he hasn’t seen adversity before, though. He was Bobby Petrino’s OC in Atlanta the one abbreviated year Petrino was a head coach. We all know what happened before he was able to coach what was supposed to be a dynamic offense. Vick got busted for dog fighting and he was left with either Joey Harrington or Chris Redman as his QB. The season failed, Petrino jumped ship back to college before it was over, and Hue went to develop Flacco in Baltimore.
Hue deserved a chance to finish what he had started with the Raiders, but he had to know it wasn’t a sure thing given the post-Al transformation that was going to take place. While Mark Davis might not be the football man his dad was, he recognizes the failed gamble they took on Palmer for the 2011 season. He also understands that when people your dad depended on like John Madden and Ron Wolf tell you “this is your guy” you listen and give him what he says he needs.
We were all so jaded by the crappy coach parade we saw since 2001 that we talked ourselves into believing we had the next great coach because he was competent where so many of his predecessors weren’t. Hue could come back and bite us in the ass the same way Shannahan and Gruden did, to an extent. While it wouldn’t complete surprise me, I view it as much less likely.
Hue was a good coach and entertaining interview. I sincerely wish him well, but his firing today won’t be cause the same karmic fall out of the Rat or Chucky, and I think we’ll be a stronger and more stable franchise in three years than we would have been had he stayed.
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by transparent58 on Jan 10, 2012 8:10 PM PST up reply actions
I agree with much of what you say
But michael bush was not going to pound us into the playoffs. One dimensional. He was figured out and began getting stuffed. Hard. Either that or hue was running the wrong plays for him. You can make a case that in certain games we ran too much with few results.
by lchristmas on Jan 10, 2012 8:43 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Then change the formations you run out of.
Usually when we brought in the extra tackle, teams stacked the box looking for the run…and why the fuck was Tonga on the field more than Reece in the last game? Reece was a bigger weapon and better blocker than Tonga from what I saw…Reece only works as a weapon when he’s also the blocking FB. You put Tonga in there on running plays the LBs and safeties are flying up to stop the run…
Besides, Hue’s an offensive genius, and Al handed him an awesomely talented toy in Pryor…yeah I know he missed 6 weeks, but do you honestly expect me to believe Hue had nothing but a QB sneak from WR motion for an athlete of Pryor’s level? Meanwhile John Fox and his “three yards and a cloud of dust” offensive reinvent themselves for Tebow?
Not buying it…
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by transparent58 on Jan 10, 2012 8:54 PM PST up reply actions
I could see Reg trading Palmer and DMC.
The question will be to who?
LT is contemplating hanging up the cleats in NY.
Not sure who would bite on Palmer, Pryor, Bush, McClain, Seymour, or any of our other high priced “players” but they all might be trade bait.
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the Raiders should resign Jason Campbell
as the new OC. Hes had like 12 different OC’s in the pros and in college he prob knows every system out there. Hes a walking playbook lol
by dawad34 on Jan 10, 2012 4:51 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
I'm neutral, leaning slightly towards I "think" it was the right thing
I thought Hue deserved a second season, but 8-8 is still 8-8, and if he lost the locker room, bringing him back would just prolong the inevitable. At this point I’m on the CHUCKIE OR BUST bandwagon, but that’s probably a pipe dream. To properly rebuild sometimes you have to bulldoze it down the foundation and start over.
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Unhappy about the move today
But the press conference shifted my thinking. Though I loved Hue as a play-caller and got a big kick out of his personality, I can see his flaws. And I can definitely see McKenzie seeing his flaws and wanting to bring in his own guy.
Let’s face it: In many ways we were still the “same old Raiders” this year.
The goal is to change that.
Read the tea leaves....
Mark Davis said he would not change the staff until after the season. He also said he was looking for a GM. We all know new GM’s like to have their own people, and I cant blame them. Were talking about rebuilding a Billion dollar company. Heres where the future gets a little clearer. Our new GM has built a team that we all will be watching in the playoffs this year. A team that is very deep in the skills department on both sides of the ball. The Green Bay Packers. Now Reggie gets to do it for the team who drafted him. Heres the fun part. We have no clue what other changes are to come. Players? Trades? Draft Picks? Relocation to L.A.? Yeah, I said it. Admit, its easier to move a team thats in a major Revamping. Its also an easier decision to trade “Star” players for draft picks when your not the one who picked them in the first place. Like say Palmer for a 2nd rounder. Or Seymore for a 3rd and condition 3/4th rounder. As Raider fans, we have be honest with ourselves with this current team. We have Some very talented players. We have some who wouldnt make it on another teams practice squad. We now also have someone to weed out the two. Which in the long run is just going to make us better.
We should go young and develop Pryor
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by Ozraider on Jan 10, 2012 6:15 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
You're going off the rails here
We should win with Palmer—he’s good and he’s ours—and develop Pryor.
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carson palmer is responsible for the polar bears melting ice caps, carson palmer gave marinovich the cocaine. He was on the grassy knoll.
by lchristmas on Jan 10, 2012 7:23 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Carson also was responsible for JaWalrus being JaWalrus.
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by ROFLCOPTER16 on Jan 10, 2012 7:44 PM PST up reply actions
I am glad we agree
My sources also tell be that it was Carson Palmet who was out on the town with Barrett Robbins superbowl weekend lol
All jokes aside I know Carson more than likely be the starter but I also think that there is not a lot of point paying Carson a kings ransom to QB a middling team, I am also very excited about TP and feel there is a genuine case to see what the kid can do especially seeing the success of Cam Newton and to a lesser extent Tebow.
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by Ozraider on Jan 10, 2012 7:49 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
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by Ozraider on Jan 10, 2012 8:06 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
I see a 3-4 defense next year
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Ends- Seymour and Houston (Kelly, but I think trading Kelly would be smart if possible), NT- New guy, OLB’s- Wimbley and Shaughnessy (I think he’s quick and athletic enough to make the transition), MLB- McClain and new guy.
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Still don't like the firing.
I think we would have improved next season with Hue and a new DC. But it is what it is so I’m just going to wish our next HC, whomever that may be, the best of luck.
im neutral right now. it dependz on who we get to replace him
I hate the coaching carasoul we are on but if Reggie knew Hue wasn’t who he wanted then that’s better than having them argue for a year. I trust Kckenzie to build a stable organization and this is a step. Id rather hire somebody now who will be here for 3 years than fire hue after 2 years and start over again. He was brought in to clean house. I want an experienced coach to come in and then id be ok with this. Not another rookie! If he could convinceGruden to come back I am all for it, they did work together in Green Bay.
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by Marcus Allen Krause on Jan 10, 2012 7:03 PM PST reply actions
You--and others--have got to let this go
The guy did fine today. Started a little nervous, understandably, and finished really strong when he handled the final question on why he made the call he did on Hue. Really found his voice on that one. And regardless of his speaking skills, the things he said were impressive—serious, thoughtful, focused, consistent. Nothing to complain about with that.
being a good public speaker and having a brilliant mind
have nothing to do with each other. As long as he is a good talent evaluator and makes good football decisions i could care less if he stutters and has turretes
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by ROFLCOPTER16 on Jan 10, 2012 8:11 PM PST up reply actions
PISSED OFF PUERTO RICAN
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"SOUNDS LIKE CHEWBACCA TAKING A SHIT!!"
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by ROFLCOPTER16 on Jan 10, 2012 8:15 PM PST up reply actions
I am much happier about the firing having read this
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=ms-silver_hue_jackson_raiders_fired_011012
Hue lacks common sense. Not who I want leading my team.
Look who is presenting the players’ viewpoint. I can imagine the look on mike silver’s face as he typed this.
by lchristmas on Jan 10, 2012 7:20 PM PST via mobile reply actions
I think Hue comes off well here
He accepts his fate. And the two players backing him talk about his preparation and passion—two obvious strengths.
Look, the guy was caught in the crossfire. It’s unfortunate. When Al passed, Hue had more power than any coach in the league. Today the clock struck midnight on that.
I like hue personally
But he comes off here as a guy who doesn’t understand basic organizational structure. I am not as impressed with his preparation as tj housh is. He should have been preparing for the game instead of lobbying mark davis for influence. Passion? Sure. Preparation? hmmm. the team laid too many eggs.
by lchristmas on Jan 10, 2012 7:41 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
You're less impressed with his prep than a player who was actually there being prepped?
Yeah, that’s not too surprising. I mean, I’m not surprised to see TJ as a big supporter since Hue gave him a job mid-season, but I don’t think any of us can speak better to Hue’s prep than his players can.
I saw the results of his preparation
An unprepared and undisciplined (at best) and at times unmotivated team. And hues mama is a less biased source than TJ.
by lchristmas on Jan 10, 2012 8:51 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
I'm not. What, you think he's lying? But like Reggie said, he better bring his own guy and let his guy choose the rest of his staff.
The DC we had this year was a downgrade even from John Marshall.
The RaiderLaker
Cheers to a new beginning.
I was hoping Hue would stick around for another year, but i welcome the change all the same. We all know this team has the potential to do great things and I think its best to see how reggie will do in hiring coaches to help build this team up to the talent they have.
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
whos
ready to make a bet that Jackson goes to Chiefs or team in division…
It was my very first thought.
I sure hope he ends up at the Jets or Bucs or anywhere that’s not the AFC West. He’s a solid OC.
Bet he goes to the Chiefs. I'm a fan of winning but the main ingredient is stability/continuity which is why I am pissed.
It may come back to bite us in the ass!
The RaiderLaker
I see SD as the better option for Hue's scheme
but any hope of stability for the 2012 Raiders died with Al Davis. I think Mark Davis may have made Hue his football czar had the Palmer trade worked out better and we were still playing ball. I think Mark felt like he got burned on that deal, and that Hue lead the both he and Raiders down the wrong path on that deal.
I also think Mark talks to the players more than any of us will know, and he saw how the team dynamic changed after Campbell got hurt and Hue exploited it to get the QB he wanted from the time he left Cincy. We all saw how “out of sorts” Murphy was when he finally got back on the field. I saw Ford’s “slip” and lack of effort on one of Palmer’s throws against the Sharters. I think some of the WRs had some beef with Hue and how he treated Campbell, a guy many of them looked up to and considered a friend.
You even saw it on the sidelines as Ford, Murphy, Schillens, and DHB were usually talking to Campbell between series rather than Palmer…
Hue was billed as an opportunist before he came to Oakland, I think he lived up to that billing in 2011. I think he’s a good coach with a great football mind, but I also think the same thing about Charlie Weis.
we never retreat we always ATTACK!!!
by transparent58 on Jan 10, 2012 9:55 PM PST up reply actions
TODAY WE HAVE ALL WITNESSED/LISTENED TO HISTORY
Jackson bitched out on the team after SD. fuck Hue, this was never his team…this willalways be AL’s team (now marks who is gonna thrive as BOSS)
by TheyLOVEtoHATEus on Jan 10, 2012 7:41 PM PST via mobile reply actions
They deserved to be bitched out
Because they played like a bunch of bitches. Seriously, Hue had their backs all season long and when push came to shove the defense didn’t even show up. He should have bitch slapped them all weeks earlier.
And this ain’t Al’s team anymore. He’s gone now it’s Mark and Reggie’s team, for better or worse. Hopefully for better.
2011 was Al's last team
and it was built for a playoff run until Campbell’s collarbone snapped. Good coaches of great teams adjust to injuries, but Hue’s answer was to overpay for Palmer and completely change the offense for him.
In my opinion, Hue was lazy in getting Palmer, then he expected his team to change offensive signals and verbiage in mid season for the acquisition. I have a sneaky feeling Al Davis would have made him develop a game plan that included both Boller and Pryor and expected him to stick with the formula that had gotten us to the point we were at after the Cleveland game.
The defense looked horrible down the stretch, but how many three and outs and picks did they have to endure? While the passing stats went way up over the last four games, we stopped being a power running bully, even with a 250 lb RB build to be a fuckin bully. Palmer took way more shots down the field than Campbell did, and we called way more passing plays for Palmer than we ever did with Campbell.
Our MO was supposed to be run the ball and play defense, and it worked when #8 was under center. It’s not like Boller couldn’t have turned and handed the ball to Bush and McFadden, and made the underneath throws when we needed them. I do blame Boller for McFadden’s injury, but I also don’t think asking him to do anything but dumps and vertical throws was in our best interests, either. The out pattern he got hit for on the pick six against KC was telegraphed by more than his eyes…
It’s not like Pryor couldn’t have had a Tebow-esque impact running the zone read and running play action off it. He’s a more athletic Tebow with a better arm and better speed, you mean to tell me all we had for a player like that was his failed QB sneak against KC?
Al would have made Hue coach through Campbell’s injury and still expected playoffs. The motto is “Just win, Baby.” Not “just trade for a retired QB who gave up on his team that you have history with and hope you win.” Did Al spaz out in 1980 when his prized QB acquisition, Pastorini, broke his leg and Plunkett came in a looked like complete turd? No, he rode that storm out and discovered he had a two time Super Bowl winning QB. Al only lusted after other team’s players in the off-season…
we never retreat we always ATTACK!!!
by transparent58 on Jan 10, 2012 8:44 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah, Al probably would have expected that
Just like Al expected Randy Moss to play football for us. Or JaMarcus Russell to not suck. And Norv Turner to win games for him. And Art Shell 2.0 to win for him. Al Davis didn’t always have realistic expectations. Davis was awesome, but his expectations didn’t pan out much over the last decade, and if he expected to win with Boller then good luck with that, especially without McFadden.
Hue could have done better making adjustments, sure. But jeez, the guy had to deal with the death of Al Davis one week, followed by the season ending injury to his QB the following week, followed by what became a season ending injury to his star RB the very next week.
Did the defense have to deal with 3 & Out a lot? Sure, but they also got to play with a lead in the 4th Quarter a lot. And they blew those leads in Buffalo, against Denver, and against Detroit. They then never managed to stop SD in week 17. And this isn’t including the games against weak teams like Minnesota and Chicago where they nearly gave up the games in the 4th Quarter.
I’m not saying Jackson was perfect. Some of his play calling infuriated me, but I firmly believe that the team deserved to be yelled out the way they were after Week 17.
And let’s not forget, Jackson may have pushed for the Palmer trade but he DID NOT have the authority to make that trade. That was on Mark Davis. He’s the one who signed off on it, so that’s not completely on Hue in anyway.
McKenzie Empowering the Head Coach
Most important statement Reggie made; this will be a first in the raiders organization since Al owned the team,
Stabilty
Mark acknowledges that he doesn’t know what he needs to know, so he has hired Reggie to be the GM. He will be the GM for many years. Reggie will hire a head coach of his choice. The head coach will choose his assistants & coordinators. This is stability.
After hearing more from Reggie...
The more I like of the firing. With no Knock against Hue. I like Hue and was looking forward to next year. But the more comments I keep hearing from our new GM is totally right. Mark Davis wants his “Raider Legacy”, his “stamp”. Mark has all the right in this world to change how things in Alameda run. He has no choice because the last guy who was in charge was nothing short of unique. Mark is showing us the fans that he wants to make the Raiders contenders again. But this is also going to take some of the fun out of being a Raider fan. When Reggies aftermath is over, things are going to be like every other boring team. No more insane draft picks. No more outragous contracts to under performing veterans. No more waking up to see every internet sports site questioning whats wrong with the Raiders. Why? Because Mark Davis is right, its time for a New “Raiders”. And the only we to forget the past is to burn all memories. Cheers to Mr.Davis, Mr. Mckinzie, and the coach who gave us fans a taste of what the Raiders could be, Hue Jackson.
T.J. Houshmandzadeh speaks again
"I don’t think he lost the locker room, and I’d be eager to find a guy who didn’t think he did a good job. I would be hard-pressed to find a guy who didn’t like Hue." – T.J.
I know a former Bengal is close to Hue and Carson and spent there only two months.
But did he have some problems with other players/staff?
I’m living in Seattle. He was a cancer in the locker room. Always whining and complaining. Just a bigmouth guy.
He completely destroyed the team chemistry. Jim Mora got fired after only one season. And new GM from the Packers immediately got rid of TJ.
T.J. and Ochocinco love them some HueJax
and the feeling is mutual. Liking Hue and playing your ass for Hue are two different things, BTW. For all Hue has done, he hasn’t ever been on a championship coaching staff. A lot of coaches haven’t been, so it’s cool.
What we’re getting with Reggie McKenzie is a guy that has helped build championship teams, and has the rings to prove it. He’s been in Green Bay long enough to see Ron Wolf’s plan come to fruition in 1996, then watch it be abandoned by Mike “Put on a Jersey” Sherman, then watch it come back to fruition again in 2010. He’s seen, first hand, what works and what doesn’t in building a champion. I’m waiting for someone to throw Scott Pioli in my face, but the Pats under Pioli/Bellichek has been one coach and one QB. The Packers organization, while McKenzie was there transitioned from a should-be HoF executive in Wolf and likely HoF coach in Holmgren to Sherman and they were still good, to Thompson and McCarthy, waived goodbye to one of the best QBs of all-time and actually got better…
we never retreat we always ATTACK!!!
by transparent58 on Jan 10, 2012 9:05 PM PST up reply actions
Roster move coming in Oakland
John Schneider and Reggie McKenzie were co-director of football operations in Green Bay before Schneider became the Seahawks’ general manager in 2010.
Schneider has completely overhauled the roster. In two years the Seahawks have gone from one of the oldest team in the league to the second youngest.
Not really the same situation in Oakland, though
The Seahawks WERE old when Schneider took the reigns, we have a lot of young talent in key positions. I can see Reggie going younger at QB and jettisoning some of the big contracts on defense and maybe special teams (this may be sacrilege for fans of Jano and Lechler, but paying kickers the money we are just doesn’t make sense, no matter how good they are.)
On offense, our biggest contributors outside the QB position are still on their rookie deals.
I can honestly see McKenzie going after the deals of Seymour, Kelly, Wimbley, Routt, Huff, Janikowski, Lechler, and Palmer and trying for re-negotiations or outright cuts/trades. Al didn’t leave the best of cap situations, and Hue fucked it up even worse with the Palmer deal for 2012.
I can see some movement on those players, but we still have a good, young core of players across all position groups minus the secondary, though I think with the right coaching DVD and Chekwa could develop into good players. I like Branch, Huff, and Routt, too, but Branch will command some cheese as a FA, and Routt and Huff are overpaid based on production. We won’t know how important those three will be until we know who’s coming in to coach the defense, anway. Going to a 3-4 would almost guarantee honoring Seymour’s deal since he can play any position along the line. Wimbley’s experience as an OLB with Crennel could validate a need for him, too, but he’ll have to renegotiate, too.
We’ll find out how many of our high priced guys want to take one for the team or test the FA market between now and March.
we never retreat we always ATTACK!!!
by transparent58 on Jan 10, 2012 9:44 PM PST up reply actions
"I’m not going to shed one tear, because I busted my ass for this organization, and I cherished the opportunity to do it," Jackson said
you bust your azz that fuckin funny mr 3-5 at home! and with your guy Carson Palmer 1-4 at home 16 ints and you sure couldn’t get plays in 24 seconds a lot of delay of games and three and out and turnovers and we are going to go though that next year NO FUCKIN THANK HUE!
I love SeaBass
But I want to see TD not FG Every Time we drive down the field!
by Raidersrulz on Jan 10, 2012 11:56 PM PST up reply actions
we aren’t going though that next year we got rid of a huge EGO and now we can get back on track and start winning for Raiders Nation!
by Raidersrulz on Jan 11, 2012 12:01 AM PST up reply actions

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