Whitlock sets the record straight on Hubris F Jackson
If you are like me you read Michael Silvers disgusting article on Mark Davis and his relationship with his father the great Al Davis.
An emotion greater than anger was what I felt when reading this article not so much as a Raider or staunch Davis family suporter but as a man. Even if portions of this article are true which is possible it is highly likely that much of it is interactions taken out of context by bitter ex-employees such as Hubris F Jackson himself. There is absolutely no justification to publicly attack a man and his relationship with his recently deceased father even with first hand knowledge let alone biased third and possibly fourth hand recounts.

Photo: Mark and Reggie took out the trash
Today a counter argument has been published by none other than Jason Whitlock which rightfully takes aim a Michael Silver and his disgusting article as well as Hubris Jackson and his self aggrandising nature.
READ THE ARTICLE HERE: The real reason Jackson's gone
As I theorised yesterday the information in the article attacking Mark seems to be clearly be from Hubris himself and possibly confirmed by other Hubris lackeys but just wouldn't to put his name to it.
Perhaps sensing that, Silver, a terrific and credible NFL writer, readdressed the Hue-bris “controversy” in a follow-up column on Wednesday. This time, without quoting Hue-bris, Silver offered the theory that Mark Davis fired Hue-bris because Davis needs to remove any and everyone from the organization who witnessed Al Davis treat Mark Davis poorly.
It has become obvious that Hubris is a two faced snake promoting one persona in person to the media and the fans while behind the scenes being an underhanded power hungry snake who will do anything to promote his own interests at the expense of anything else which is explained beautifully by Mr Whitlock.
The Carson Palmer trade — orchestrated by Hue-bris — could quite possibly be remembered as the dumbest, most-selfish act in the history of professional sports. Seriously. Capitalizing on the power vacuum created by the death of an NFL legend, a first-time head coach, in a desperate attempt to pad his resume and back into the playoffs with a flawed team with zero chance of winning the Super Bowl, compromised the future of his organization by handing Mike Brown a fortune for a washed-up quarterback.
Even in interviews in which he has actually put his name too he continually takes all credit for anything good and passes on blame for anything bad that occurred last season.
It is true that with Al in place Hurbis may have lasted another year as Mr Davis had the clout to control Hubris and his unbridled ego but with the devastating passing of Mr Davis I think it is clear that Hubris woud have become petulant and unwelcoming of a new boss which was very obvious in he press conference after the San Diego game which likely sealed his fate with his proclamation that he would 'be taking a stringer hand with this whole organisation'
In essence I think the firing of Hubris can be summed up in these works from Mr Whitlock:
Firing Hue-bris was not remotely controversial. The controversy would’ve been in his retention. Whatever skills he has a play-caller and a leader are undermined by his delusion and arrogance.
Have a think about it, if you were the new owner or GM looking at what went on last season and the manner in which Hubris acted do you really think you would keep him in place as the head coach and deal with an on going power struggle with your Coach?
Don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out Hubris.

Photo: Hubris basking in his own deluded glory.
Aside from Hubris' arrogance there were also clear on the fields reasons for the firing of Hubris:
- Offense regressed in scoring
- Offense regressed in red zone visits and efficiency
- Offence regressed in FG’s attempted and made
- Defence regressed in pretty much every defensive category and the head coach failed to address.
- Team committed a history making number of penalties
- Multiple games where team was completely unprepared to play from the opening snap.
- Team capitulated down the stretch
Injuries were a factor in some of these things as well however we also had a much better receiving core overall over 2010, a significantly improved offensive line, even with McFadden out we had a borderline Pro-Bowl 1000 yard Running back in Michael Bush not to mention a Pro=Bowl Calibre QB in Carson Palmer. Defensively although it is not Hubris' complete area of expertise as the head coach it is his responsibility and he also had his chosen Assistant head coach in Mike Waufle who is a defensive coach.
Hubris was fired not only for his failings as a coach but as a man and the sooner he realises is the better off he will be. The Nation should be rejoicing that we are rid of this selfish snake and moving on with a great new GM and a new way of going about the business of football in Oakland.
Thank you Mr Whitlock for being the voice of reality on this subject..
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Dude, what the fuck
You are saying Silver didnt have reliable sources, is biased, and went over the limit, do you realize you just did the same thing??? You did the same except that you did it with the other side of the story, and you continue to be biased against both Hue and Carson…I cant take this post as relevant
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and my issue with Silver isn't whether it was true or he used reliable sources
It was that he published an unprovoked personal attack on a man based on his relationship with his recently deceased father which I find despicable and the fact that it seems that Hubris was behind it says all that needs to be known about who Hubris really is.
It is one thing to question whether Mark is qualified and attack the act of firing Hubris it is an entirely another to attack him and his family personally.
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Your belief is still a spin. And like Whitlock's (off the wall) spin that "Hue-bris was playing a high-stakes game of racial politics"
it’s an argument that can be fairly (if not easily debated. Silver probably drew the wrong conclusion in his article, the Mark wanted to rid his world of everyone who’d ever seen him humiliated by his overbearing father. But consider this, if those reports from insiders are true, that Al did belittle his son in front of others and, in effect, bully him, wouldn’t Mark (or any sensitive normal human) resent being pushed around by someone who worked for him. Jackson played Mark very badly imo; Hue fawned on Al, even post mortem, but did not give Mark the modicum of respect that might of got him the power he craved.
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by Sons-of-Blanda on Jan 12, 2012 10:17 PM PST up reply actions
I don't agree at all with the Racial portion of Whitlocks article at all but Jason tends to make everything racial
I think you are right and the bottom line is that it is Marks franchise now and I think what he is doing is out of empowerment not fear. Some people seem to want Mark to try to be Al but that was never realistic.
I was very impressed with Mark in the press conference and he is making the necessary moves and stepping out of the shadow of his father and being his own man.
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Al treated everyone poorly, except the players. Everyone knows that, it's nothing new. Why would it be a surprise
and a shock to find out Al scolded or belittled Mark? Al was tough on everyone, its public and common knowledge. Write an article about something we dont know. This is a non factor. Al was always in a bad mood and cussing at anyone who was within ear shot. Seriously, Nobody should be upset over silvers article, its just old news really. What is happening with the Raiders is it is comming into the 21st century. Nothing more nothing less.
Hey I just read that article and recommended it to Rightnasty...
Not too far from what many here feel. As I stated the other day, he ran his suck muscles and wrote too many checks with his mouth that his ass couldnt cash…
The way Whitlock describes the Palmer trade must have given you a woody! Lol…. BUT…I cant feel that way. I mean, Plunkett was in worse shape than Palmer when we took him in 1979. That be said, I agree with how Whitlock describes jackson and his smoke and mirrors….seriously, by the time we lost the last 4 of 5, and we lost against SD, it was totally obvious the emperor had no clothes.
Cheers….
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by BlackHeartSilverEyes on Jan 12, 2012 4:09 PM PST reply actions
haha
yes I did enjoy that breakdown of the trade :), but it’s not an indictment on Carson or his ability it is a indictment on Hubris and the manner in which he took advantage of the situation and strong armed the deal for his advantage of his own interests not on the interests of the franchise.
Hubris desperately wanted to be the man to take the Raiders back to the playoffs not for the Raiders but for Hubris and his resume and he was willing to do whatever it took even if it meant doing something clearly not in the long term best interests of the franchise. He toom advantage of a grieving Mark Davis and Amy Trask to force his own agenda and I think you could tell in the Press conference that Mark does harbour some resentment towards Hubris for what he did after Al passed.
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Ahhh to be a fly on the wall for the Davis/Trask/Jackson meet-up on the Palmer trade...
I also had to laugh at his use of the Hue-bris moniker that I am sure you beat him to the punch…
Yes. I can see that angle of Jackson using a moment like that, when Tarsk and Davis were vulnerable, based on his personality and the smack he talked when Oakland was winning.
But hey…as much as he fucked up, we had only to beat SD to be in the playoffs…thats the wildest part of all this shit.
The cowards never started, the weak died along the way....
by BlackHeartSilverEyes on Jan 12, 2012 4:21 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah Whitlock swagger jacked me, must be a fan hahahaha
We were one win from the playoffs but I thin that says more about the talent on the team and any capable coach should have had this team win the AFC west by a couple of games. Instead the whole thing fell apart and if that isn’t a direct reflection of Hubris as the head coach I dont know what is. Obviously the Hubris apologists will blame Bresnahan but that is a complete cop out Hue was the HEAD coach and also had his hand picked defensive assistant head coach Mike Waufle so there is no excuse whatsoever for what happned..
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yes, Things Fell apart....badly
I know Whitlock stole your thunder…(he must be a secret S&BP groupie)…..
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by BlackHeartSilverEyes on Jan 12, 2012 4:41 PM PST up reply actions
Half of the media world comes here to thieve!
You all know it’s true!
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Plunk cost us quite a bit less than Palmer did, though.
I can’t see Al ever making that deal at those stakes…
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by transparent58 on Jan 16, 2012 1:08 PM PST up reply actions
Nice find and interesting to say the least!
in due time we will be just fine…
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It's time to get past this and let it be
We have anew sheriff in town ushering in a new era and I think he’s the right man for the job and I think he’ll bring in a great HC for us for years to come.
You know what would make a good story? Something about a clown who makes people happy, but inside he's real sad. Also, he has severe diarrhea.
by Buster Bluth on Jan 13, 2012 6:53 AM PST up reply actions
Hue is not the reason we went 8-8!
Again! Al Davis handpicked the defensive staff who basically runned the typical 4-3 base man to man!. NOBODY said nothing when al gave a forst round pick for a declining dt in Richard Seymour. Carson Palmer did pretty well this year. Other than the MIami game and the Packers game we scored enough points to win. That defense was atrocious and Chuck made it worse by calling satefy blitzes and Tampa 2 coverages. I think Hue wanted to hire his OWN defensive staff which would have made us even better from this year. I know Hue was cocky but what good coach wasnt?
Hey...he was the HEAD coach. He is accountable.
You think Jackson wanted to fire them…those Defense douches? Well, why didnt he fucking fire them? Take charge….have some real balls, instead of running your soup coolers and talking shit.
The DC should have been fired after Miami. Period. And since he didnt…oh well.
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by BlackHeartSilverEyes on Jan 12, 2012 5:05 PM PST up reply actions
+1
And we also had a defence first assistant head coach in Mike Waufle who was Hue’s choice, there is no reason he couldn’t have stepped in and called plays and as assistant head coach would have been heavily involved in game planning anyway.
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Promoting Waufle would have been an interesting move by Hue had he done it during the season
If it failed though…that would just be more ammunition to move on from Jackson. He may have stuck with Bres in order to keep that excuse of not having the DC he wanted in his back pocket.
You know what would make a good story? Something about a clown who makes people happy, but inside he's real sad. Also, he has severe diarrhea.
by Buster Bluth on Jan 13, 2012 6:56 AM PST up reply actions
Mike Waufle was the assistant head coach
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What Oz said...
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by BlackHeartSilverEyes on Jan 12, 2012 5:30 PM PST up reply actions
The Head Coaching spot cost us t least 2 games...
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and the DC spot cost us four
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lol exactly after the second loss because of Panda it went onto the hc to fire him making Hue as responsible for 2 of the 4 DC losses lol
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by Marcus Allen Krause on Jan 12, 2012 10:09 PM PST up reply actions
People
We gotta put this drama behind us and look forward already. You’re letting the press egg you on with every new article about the Hue/Davis/McKenzie drama that they come out with. And they’re going to keep doing it because they want those hits, those mouse clicks, and that ad revenue.
dude he was only fired a couple of days ago lol
Don’t get mad just because your boy ended up being a fraud it’s not your fault, you weren’t to know.
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He aint my boy either!
Im just saying Im worried about who is going to be our next coach Im writing a post about this maybe tonight and yes i will spell check..lol
Like i said i the article
While Al was around to keep Hubris is check it was working, once Al passed Hue became a monster.
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There is no doubt there was a power vacuum on the football side after Al passed of which hubris took full advantage
Mark knows his limitations which is why he has turned the football side over to Reggie McKenzie.
you have to also remember Mark had just lost his father which Hubris also took advantage of to further his self serving agenda. Hubris manipulated Mark and the front office in a moment of weakness due to the passing of Mr Davis.
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So Al could control Hue, but Mark couldn't
And even though Hue was the guy Al wanted, Mark fired him, even though he said he given the chance he would have done the Palmer trade a second time, so apparently wasn’t bullied into it. And Al could have fired Hue if he was too much trouble like Kiffin,but didn’t and also didn’t hire a GM to keep Hue in check before he passed away.
Of course he is going to say he would do it again, Palmer is still a part of the Raiders saying he wouldnt do the trade again would alienate Carson
I think Mark could have controlled Hue given different circumstances but the fact is that Marks father had just passed away. Hubris obviously came to Mark and told him he had the trade done all Mark needed to do was sign off and that with Carson we could contend for a superbowl blah blah blah but had to be signed off immediately as the trade deadline was closing.
There is no doubt that Hue strong armed the trade in a moment of weakness after Al’s passing.
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Oh I think there is doubt
Unless Mark lied to us all about the trade because he was embarrassed that he’d been bullied. McKenzie said it was a good trade too. But you think they both lied about it just to avoid alienating Palmer, whom they could simply get rid of if he’s not happy about it. After all they had no problem getting rid of Hue.
you are deluded if you think that Mark is going to come out and say he was bullied in to the trade.
also admitting that we got ripped off would also affect the trade value should we decide to try and trade him, and if they want to keep Carson which is likely there is no logical reason to admit what you are suggesting.
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also bullied or strong armed may be too strong but it seems clear that there was some level of manipulation.
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If Mark was in doubt
He should have said no. He’s not teenage kid left in charge of the Empire. He’s a 50something a business degree who’s worked for the Raiders for years, has known Hue the whole time.
Hue is a very convincing and manipulative talker and would have put a lot of pressure on the franchise to make the deal
and also the time line in relation to the trade deadline in addition to just losing your father I think it is completely understandable that he could have relented to Hubris.
I think you are being unreasonable with your lack of understanding of the position Mark was thrust in to.
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Uh huh
And I think you let your emotions run away with you even when they don’t support the facts. I think you fill in the blanks with your own opinions, just because you don’t like this guy or that guy.
Well if you post some 'facts' I may reconsider but I am yet to see any.
If you want some facts about the team under hue Jackson:
- Offense regressed in scoring
- Offense regressed in red zone visits and efficiency
- Offence regressed in FG’s attempted and made
- Defence regressed in pretty much every defensive category and the head coach failed to address
- Team committed a history making number of penalities
- Multiple games where team was completely unprepared to play from the opening snap.
- Team capitulated down the stretch
- Hue repeatedly referenced himself as I in press conferences rather than the team as we.
- Hue arrogantly stated that he wanted to be involved with picking the GM
- Hue arrogantly stated that he would be taking a stronger hand with the ‘whole organisation’ in the SD press conference
- Hue fundamentally made it impossible for the franchise to bring in a GM with full power over him and the football side with his statements and actions.
My main issue s not the Palmer deal, Palmer is a good QB and there is still a good chance it could work out, my main issues are the ones stated above.
Remind me why he should have kept his job again?
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I might actually edit this into the maint article
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Did you consider
That since Al picked Hue over anybody else to run the team, that maybe in firing him, Mark was going against Al’s wishes? Or does what Al thought no longer matter now that Mark is in control? Or are you saying Al was not capable of seeing the “monster” that lurked within Hue? Al, who had run a football team for 4 decades, and probably had seen it all in that time.
The offensive and defensive stats have already been explained numerous times. Apparently you must think McFadden sucks because his absence was supposed to make no difference at all. Jacoby’s as well. Defense=Bresnahan. It didn’t look like that under Marshall.
Hue already explained the ‘stronger hand’ comment, and probably wouldn’t have been willing to work with a GM, but that’s considerably more difficult when you’ve been fired.
You mean the excuses for the stats have been made numerous times
We still had an high quality running back and even with Ford out our WR corps were significantly better than in 2010 and we also had a significantly better O-Line and a ‘Pro-Bowl’ QB.
Hue is the head coach it is his responsibility to over see and fix issues with the entire team and add to that the fact that he had his chosen assistant head coach Mike Waufle who is a defensive coach there is no excuse.
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Just say the words
“I don’t like Hue, and I didn’t want him back.”
Because that’s what all of this comes down to you when you cut through all the BS. You’ll feel better.
I ddn't like him and didn't want him back and it seems that the highly respected and recommended new GM Regge McKenzie agrees with me.
I wanted him hone not because of a simple gut feel or general dislike but for the comprehensive list of reasons and significant case I have stated for which you do not seem to have any specific retort too other than:
- The head coach is not responsible for defence (WTF?)
- We had injuries (We have injuries every year including 2010, especially with McFadden)
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And who knows if there was any warning about Al passing.
As far as we know it was sudden and unexpected.
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It was not sudden and unexpected
He’d been in poor health for some time, plus Amy specifically said there were contingencies in place for when he did go.
Al would not have wanted anyone to know he was weak and knowing Al he would have believed he could overcome and defeat his ailments
hiring a GM would have been a submission in Al’s mind.
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It was no secret
Everybody knew Al was in bad health. And “contingencies” could have included a GM in training to oversee Hue, if he felt Hue needed overseeing. It’s entirely possible that Al didn’t think Hue needed any oversight, or that Mark should be up to the task.
I dont think anyone saw the real Hue until after Al passed.
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Or maybe
Just maybe, Al liked what he saw in Hue. The same passion he had. When he decided not to re-sign Cable, Al could have gone out and gotten a better coach, a more experience coach, but he didn’t. And with no GM in place just in case something did happen, it was just Hue and Mark. And just maybe Al was fine with that.
Based on what we knew at the time i dont anyone foresaw that Hubris would become the power hungry opportunist that he did.
When Mr Davis passed the king was dead and Hubris saw the opportunity to try to seize the throne and attempted to take that opportunity with full force.
Hue may have won the battle up t the end of the season but Mark came in to his own and won the war. Hubris did sealed his fate with his lust for power as he made it impossible to keep him while bringing in a new GM who was to be given full power.
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Again
You’re making vast assumptions just because you don’t like the guy. There was a power vacuum after Al was gone that Mark was in no hurry to fill. Mark could have hired a temporary GM right there and then. Flores could have filled in until the season was over. But with nobody to fill that vacuum, Hue did, and why not? Every coach would love to have full personnel control. Hue wanted to win, not tank the season and finish at 6-10. And he brought the team within one play of the making the playoffs. Just win, baby. That’s the mantra.
Please refer reply above
yes I didn’t like the trade, but there are a multiple of other reasons as to why Hue could not be brought back.
Hubris even started firing coaches before he was even assured of a job himself!
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There's only one reason Hue couldn't come back
Oz doesn’t like him, and that, apparently, ought to be good enough reason for the entire Raider Nation.
I have made a much bigger argument that "i just don't like him"
All you have is weak excuses on behalf of your boy.
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Those "weak excuses"
Were good enough for Al to make him head coach. Should have fired him if he was so obviously arrogant and “lusted” after Al’s throne.
You are making excuses for things that played out after Al passed which makes no sense
I am not debating that Hue was a great OC just was disappointing as a HC and lost control of the team.
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Another assumption
You assume he lost control of the team. Seymour said he didn’t. You just plain make shit up to whatever agrees with you. I’m going off what actually happened and what people actually said.
And just what exactly was he supposed to accomplish in only one injury-riddled season in which he also had to contend with the loss of Al, the loss of Jason for the season, and the loss of McFadde, a Super Bowl? Cable got 2 seasons, Hue only got 1. Furthermore there was never any indication of any trouble between Al and Hue.
It was clear he lost control through the capitulation down the stretch in important games
the way the team performs under pressure and level of discipline is a direct reflection of the coach and the fact we gave up a history making number of penalties displays a complete lack of control of the team.
No assumptions required these are specific and clear indications of a lack of control
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What was clear
Was that Bresnahan lost control of the defense, emphasized by Rivers ridiculing it the last game. The penalties thing has been a Raider problem for years, maybe decades. Ridiculous to expect Hue to clean it up in one season when nobody could. Hue was a rookie coach faced with enormous problems with no GM to help him, and only a Mark Davis who wasn’t interested in solving problems on the field.
But you’re right about one thing. Mark did win the battle. Just not against Hue. There was no battle there because Mark always had the power. Mark won the battle against Al, firing his hand picked head coach after one season, and, as your buddy Whitlock puts it, and setting Reggie to sweeping out Al’s “flunkies”. Flunkies, in this case, would mean the people Al wanted in their positions and could have easily gotten rid of had he wanted to.
As i said
Hue as the head coach and responsible for every phase of the team Offense, Defence and Special teams your reluctance to concede this is ludicrous and the fact that he clearly has no ability to nave input or a role in defence only enforces the fact that he is not capable of being our head coach.
Your Mark v Al argument is a terrible one as most of the things that lead to his firing occured after Al passed and if you don’t think that Al would most likely have fired Hubris also after that capitulation down the stretch the you havent followed Al very closely.
Completely restructuring the front office is necessary not out of disdain for Al but because previously Al was the entire structure and he had people around him that assisted him to do everything rather than take on responsibility of their own. As there is no Al Davis walking through the door we must employ people to share the load and will need people that are right to fit in to this completely new structure
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Cable got 2 seasons
So why should Hue only get one, when Cable had everything working in his favor and still couldn’t do it, and most certainly didn’t have to overcome half of what Hue did? No, Al would have not have fired Hue. Nobody other than Mark would only give a rookie coach one season after he came that close to the playoffs.
New boss
and Hue showed what seemed to be an unwillingness to give up some of the new power he had gained after Al passed.
I feel like it became almost impossible for Reggie to keep Hue on board after a number of the comments Hue made.
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This is all supposition
Reggie hasn’t said that Hue’s big mouth got him fired. Nobody’s said that. Reggie only said he wanted his guy in there. There’s ways to make it clear in pcspeak to say that a coach was fired for attitude, comments, etc. Al did it when he fired Kiffin. Mark could have done it too.
They were being respectful
Al is a very different personality to these two and I think when Mark declined to comment on Hue’s SD press conference that said as much anyway.
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It’s a pity Mark is not more like his dad. Then he wouldn’t have been “bullied”. And he definitely would have spoke his mind at the press conference.
It’s simple really: “…some of Coach Jackson’s actions and words I felt were detrimental to the team. At that time I made a decision to terminate his employment…”
What would be so terrible about that?
Nothing terrible about it
I just think they chose to take the high road on this one, and I think that is many ways it is implied by the fact they fired him.
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Now we're just getting vague
Let’s backtrack. What exactly is it that makes you think Hue is arrogant?
Because he wanted more control over personnel? Show me a coach that doesn’t.
Well I have been over it a thousand times
but things like:
- I am going to take a stronger hand with the ‘whole organisation’
- firing coaches without even being assured of a job himself
- constantly referring to I and me in press conferences over the team ensuring it is all about Hue.
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Okay 1 by 1
Let’s look at what Hue said:
"I’m tired of people saying that I’m power hungry, that I’m a blowhard, that I’m saying all the wrong things. I never said I wanted to be the general manager. I said I wanted input. What coach wouldn’t want some input in the direction of the organization?
"When I said I wanted to play a greater role, what I meant by that was, I’m going to get a defensive coordinator that I want. I’m going to get the staff members that I want. And the players that weren’t playing well aren’t gonna be here.
Sounds pretty reasonable to me.
The firing of coaches? Could he have done that without approval from above?
How he refers to himself and the team to the press? Saying “I” and “me” doesn’t automatically translate to arrogance. That’s a reach. Hardly enough to convict him on.
Thats what he has said post firing
it’s called backtracking.
It’s pretty obvious to me and many others that Hue thought he was untouchable hence the firing of coaches, and was trying to set himself up to ensure he had as much power as possible.
Why else would he think he should be involved in choosing a GM (his boss) if not to ensure that he would put himself above the GM?
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Not necessarily put himself above
Said GM, simply somebody who he could work with. The GM and the HC have to get along, have to be able to work together. It doesn’t mean the HC should be a tool for the GM or vice versa. And it’s worth nothing that people have said Hue and Reggie are friends, and that Hue completely did not expect to be fired.
I really don’t think we’re getting to the root of this. I think there’s something else about Hue you just don’t like, which is perfectly fine. But you cut him no slack at all for the position he was in and what he was expected to overcome. I tend to believe you’d give more a break to most Raider coaches, but something about this particular guy really pisses you off. Are you SURE there’s nothing else?
Nothing outside of what I have said
I will admit that there are obviously some injury issues that contributed to some of the team struggles but the fact that here was clear evidence that either the team was not prepared to play games or just didn’t want to play for this staff.
That along with the comments and attitude make it clear to me that he is not the person I want leading this franchise
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I really would have expected you to like this guy. The boldness that he displays, the fire, the desire to win…aren’t these the same qualities we admired in Al? If Al had been quiet, polite, mild-mannered, would there be a “Raider way”, “Raider mystique”? Would he have been the guy that shook up the rest of the league?
So here we have a coach who speaks his mind, who wants control over personnel, who will praise the team when they deserve it and chew them out when the fail epicly. Pissed at his team? And well he should have been. Al would have too. Al would have been ashamed had he seen that performance against the Chargers, especially after they’d already beaten them once this year. There’s no excuses for the team “quitting”. They’re millionaires and putting it ALL out on the field.
I did like Hue intially
I was a huge Hue Jackson fan up until Al passed away and I saw a very different Hue to what I saw before. A Man who was full of his own new found power who made irresponsible decisions with this power and became more interested in retaining this and playing GM than preparing the team which showed through on the field.
The team clearly didn’t believe in him which is supported by what has come out since the end of the season.
It became clear to me that Hue was all talk and was not capable of backing up what he was saying and was over head as a Head Coach.
His inability to address any of our discipline issues for the entire systems seals the deal that he is not capable of being a head coach at this time.
I am not debating that he is not a great OC but he is not a great Head Coach so when you have a guy who is not great at his job and is only concerned with his own agenda then you have to make a change.
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He was not a great head coach his first season ever and no second chances. Is this your policy with all rookie head coaches? And if Mark thought he was too power hungry, he should have done something about it. It’s his responsibility as MGP. If he wasn’t up to the task, again, he should have hired a GM sooner.
Didn’t see any players even anonymously saying they didn’t believe in him. Just rumors from Eli Kaberon who simultaneously covers the AFC West and is a vendor at Wrigley Field somehow.
And you just assumed Hue would never get better over time? You would honestly rather go back to square one and start all over again with another rookie coach than give this guy a second year WITH a GM in place to “put him in check”?
Penalty problems go all the way back to 2005. What else is new?
http://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/stat/penalties-per-game?date=2006-02-06
Im not saying that Hue may not have improved over time
But I think it is clear that he would not function well in Oakland with the new front office structure being put in place.
Just because he is a first year head coach doesnt mean he is automatically entitled to a second year either and ensuring you have a Coach the GM is comfortable with trumps giving the rookie HC another year in my book otherwise you invariably create a lame duck situation.
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They didn't even give him a chance
What exactly would he have had to do to get a second season? If we made the playoffs, would that have been good enough? Because we were one bad coverage against Calvin Johnson in the waning minutes away from going.
As they said in the press conference
they decided he was gone playoffs or not.
To have a chance he would have had to demonstrate a willingness to work within the new structure that was coming and he clearly didnt.
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That just doesn't seem reasonable
If they put the effort into the defense, McFadden comes back, and offense plays like it did last year, we are contenders.
Now Reggie’s strategy is sound….if it works. It all sounds very well modeling the new Raiders after the Packers organization, but he’s a noob too, and bound to have some screw ups along the way. Veteran GMs screw up. Polian was fired despite being a well respected, 6 time Executive of the Year. GMs get fired every year.
So we put our team in the hands of a noob HC, and he didn’t get us where we wanted to because let’s be honest, we go far enough into the playoffs, and there’s no way they fire him. We get rid of him, bring in a noob GM with ANOTHER noob coach, and we’re expecting another playoff run when? In a few years? 5 years? 10 years? So how patient are people prepared to be with Reggie if things start not to go well?
just cuz the Broncos beat Pittsburgh doesnt mean we would have
I agree with Oz that he was going to be fired playoffs or not unless we made it to atleast the 2nd round and it might have even taken getting to the 3rd round. I believe a power struggle would have happened and I think that is the major reason he was fired. Its not a total assumption to think that because he was fired so quickly it does lead that to be a logical conclusion. No we can’t know for sure but it definitely is logical.
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Obviously
No guarantees there against Pittsburgh, though I do think if the Broncos could do it, we could as well.
But if power struggle was the main concern for Mark and Reggie, I really think they’re blowing out of proportion. “Hey Hue, STFU.” should suffice. Or quote Al: “Just coach the damn team.”
Hue may have a big mouth and big ego, but he is not impossible like Lane Kiffin was. This was manageable. Al could manage him, but these two can’t?
You are completely over simplifying
When you have a guy who really believes he should still have power that has been taken away it breeds resentment and simply saying hey Hue STFU is not going to remedy that.
As soon as Mark knew that he was not giving Hue the power he clearly desired it was clear we would have to move on from him.
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and why should they have to 'manage' Hue
there has to be a head coach who is happy with the role he is on. If you have someone in a position that you constantly have to ‘manage’ it is never going to work.
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the difference is Al didnt have to manage Hue because they agreed on their overall ideas for the team
Now its a new direction and new ideals. The Al Davis era is over and we are evolving now. Its not going to be the same system anymore and that was the whole point of bringing in Reggie. They couldn’t move on from Al with a coach that wanted to run the team as Al would have. I do not at all believe they could have coexisted. I also don’t believe the GM and owner should have to manage the coach, they should be on the same page and working together.
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Very well said
You said the words I was searching for.
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I also believe that Hue would not have submitted to a new boss and would have created a power struggle
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mike white like collapse
Al fired him…..Hue your fired new GM new coach I don’t understand why its very relevant. New GMs often want their guy and it happens.I don’t understand what the problem is Reggie flat out said he wanted his guy. I believe him. Now Hue is gonna be pissed and media are gonna speculate but I really think it just comes down to a new GM wanting his guy. Whether we felt he should have got his 2nd year or not.I believe when Hue barked at the media session after the game he cooked his goose.
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Al chose Hue and said of him that Jackson's fire would burn long and bright. Have you considered that to oppose
Hue Jackson is to oppose the last will and testament of Al Davis himself?
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by Sons-of-Blanda on Jan 12, 2012 10:23 PM PST up reply actions
And again for the viewers
I did suggest we let this go already, but the man clearly has things he needs to say, so let’s just try and get it all out once and for all, hmm?
well doesn't seem like you are really ready to let it go either
hahaha
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could be brother :)
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this is pretty dam good
forget the dubs, let’s keep this going.
What did i tell you...didn't I say they would win? Yeah that's right I did didn't ? Wait.. what? They LOST?!?!?
Oz, you tweet battle with Silver and one of his bimbos was epic.
They charged me 15 dollars. That's how much it costs to only have 20 dollars.
hahaha I know how awesome was that
dumb chargers bitch lol the best part was I scored a few new followers from it XD
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I also obviously struck a nerve with Silver as well
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The one thing that everybody seems to miss...
Hue’s contract states he was to report to the owner.
If I’m the GM I have to let him go based on the fact of a foundation and structure regardless if he’s qualified it’s just clean and simple.
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Yeah I wouldn't be surprised if this was some factor as well.
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Just didn't seem plausible
We’re going to replace a coach who knows the team and got us within a hair of making the playoffs with another rookie coach who doesn’t know the team and a new coaching staff with new schemes for the players to learn, and this for sake of the structure? And knowing this is going to set us back in the near future?
If things go ideally, we have a solid foundation for the future. But we have rookie GM competing against more experienced GMs out there trying to do the same thing. So if they don’t, we are going to get a really good look at the basement of the AFC West.
there is enough on this team 8-8 is just 8-8
This team choked and at the end of the day… There are somethings we will never know we still don’t know they make keep saunders for an OC you never know we will know shortly.
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Here is Jerry Mac's input on the two sides of Hubris
In researching a story on Jackson during training camp, I was struck the loyalty of those who were in his corner as much as I was the silence of a handful of coaches who had worked with Jackson and wanted no part of making a comment on his ascension to a head coaching job.
We saw both sides of Jackson during his two years with the Raiders, bold and brash in a good way but at times too full of himself. Jackson is smart enough and resourceful enough to get another crack at being a head coach, although he’ll probably rethink some of his tactics.
http://www.ibabuzz.com/oaklandraiders/2012/01/12/the-two-sides-of-huejax/
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bold and brash in a good way but at times too full of himself.
My point in doing that was to show that these issues are not a figment of my imagination and are clearly something that has been identified by many others. I am not trying to say that Hubris is not a excellent offensive coach but there are clear personality faults that have shined through in this situation that ended up making his reign in Oakland untenable.
You have been speaking as if these personality defects in Hue are my own creation this comment from Jerry confirms that also identified this arrogance problem. I am not saying that Hue was like this 100% of the time but there was enough of it which seemed to increase as the season wore on for me to be very sure that this would have caused a problem with a new GM coming in.
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He undoubtedly was not a coach that would mix well with Mckenzie and his absurd unprofessional bitching after being canned proves that
I still believe we could have succeeded with him but I have no question in my mind that those two were not able to work together and therefore the coach had to go. I just hope we hire a coach with experience to come in.
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Well that's the question
Suppose we get a rookie coach who’s completely compliant, mild-mannered but his lack of experience doesn’t get us as far as we got last year. Would it be worth it?
id say if its a coach that can actually work with our GM then yes, Hue would not have worked with him
It would have been a constant power struggle practically guaranteeing failure. Its the same as I feel in the Palmer trade, id rather make a move attempting to change the path than accept a season as a failure when the likeliness is so extreme.
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by Marcus Allen Krause on Jan 12, 2012 9:22 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Who's to say there would've been a power struggle?
Hue says he wanted input into the GM search, obviously somebody that he could be compatible with. In the end he really just wanted a chance to come back. He asked Mark for it, and Mark wouldn’t give it to him. If he could have input that meant the GM and he would be on the same boat and he’d likely be back. Otherwise he’d likely be on his wait out. Doesn’t sound to me like he wanted control over the whole shebang if he wasn’t confident he’d even be the head coach next season.
What did i tell you...didn't I say they would win? Yeah that's right I did didn't ? Wait.. what? They LOST?!?!?
not sure what you are getting at with the personality defects:Raiders coach part
but yes you certainly won’t catch me trumpeting Cable over Hubris
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That’s the Raider image thing again. I’m saying his nature fits that “renegade” Raider thing. Obviously Tom Flores was soft spoken and still effective coach. But this team must necessarily be more liberal about coaches that have some attitude. After all, this is that same team that once fielded a crazed Lyle Alzado.
fair enough
lol
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My only problem with the article is calling Carson washed up
Obviously we paid too much for almost any quarterback in the league for him but to call him washed up is absurd. In this day and age people play longer than ever, including many quarterbacks now playing until late 30s and even 40s. He had a shitload of ints but almost half came in the first 3 halfs that he was on the team. He isn’t nearly as bad of a player as he seems to insinuate by calling him washed up. He has good years left, even if we can all agree the price was way too much he shouldn’t be called washed-up
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Yeah I think this is fair
Carson definitely stil has the skill to be a pro bowl QB next season.
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i didnt read Silvers article but if he says Davis fired Hue because he witnessed him being mistreated thats bullshit
There are plenty of completely obvious reasons Hue couldn’t stay that don’t even include his failures this past year on the field. To say Mark only fired him because he had a pathetically fragile ego is absurd, and even if he did fire him for what he saw it would be because he felt Hue would never respect him which is a viable reason anyway. I hope nobody thinks race was a factor because there are very obvious reasons for his dismissal that its ridiculous to even suggest. I haven’t even heard that from Bomani Jones or Jemele Hill who seem to claim nearly everything to be racist.
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by Marcus Allen Krause on Jan 12, 2012 9:19 PM PST via mobile reply actions
The article was a stretch
I really just hope those ex-coaches were lying and that Al didn’t really talk to Mark like that.
Who knows
Things are easily taken out of context especially by people with an agenda
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His horrible hair cut immediately makes people dislike him lol
Seriously, you are fucking rich Mark Davis, hire a damn stylist. No reason for an NFL owner to have a mullet
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that is a crazy haircut
Its the fringe looks like he cuts it himself.
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lol i hope he did or whoever does it should find a new profession
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by Marcus Allen Krause on Jan 12, 2012 9:47 PM PST up reply actions
hahahaha
good call
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What for?
If they’re getting paid to cut hair like that, they got it made. I’d be happy to be able to put a bowl on somebody’s head, cut around it and collect my fee.
lmao you are completely correct, i retract my previous statement. they got paid a boatload to do that to him
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The Loyd Christmas look?
"Now I know what your thinking, did he fire six shots or only five. Ive forgotten myself in all this excitement, but being that this is the 44 magnum, the most powerful handgun in the world and could blow your head clean off, you have to ask your question. Do I feel lucky? Well do ya punk!"
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And on that note, gentlemen
I am gonna call it a night. Christ we’ve been at what 4 hours? Laterz.
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It's been fun bro :)
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just for the record I am just watching Hue's end of season press conference again and noticed this quote
in regards to Carson Palmer:
Am I tied to him? well I made the decision so I guess I am
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My doing that I know everybody sees that as a slap to Jason but it’s not. I owe this organisation the best opportunity to win, thats why I did what I did and at the end of the day I am not going to run from that
except he has been running from it in all of the interviews since he was fired saying it was ‘from above’
Snake
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Plain and simple: Hue's services were not retained because Reggie took the advice of many wise men who told him to start anew
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"In football, I root for the Oakland Raiders because they hire castoffs, outlaws, malcontents, and fuck -ups, they have lots of penalties, fights, and paybacks, and because Al Davis told the rest of the pig NFL owners to go get fucked. Someday, the Raiders will be strong again, and they will dip the ball in shit and shove it down the throats of the wholesome, white, heartland teams that pray together and don't deliver late hits." - George Carlin.
no more, no less, regardless of how he, or we, or anyone may have read into it before, during, or after it happened
""The massive Raider Nation is beyond doubt the sleaziest and rudest and most sinister mob of thugs and wackos ever assembled."--Hunter S. Thompson
"In football, I root for the Oakland Raiders because they hire castoffs, outlaws, malcontents, and fuck -ups, they have lots of penalties, fights, and paybacks, and because Al Davis told the rest of the pig NFL owners to go get fucked. Someday, the Raiders will be strong again, and they will dip the ball in shit and shove it down the throats of the wholesome, white, heartland teams that pray together and don't deliver late hits." - George Carlin.
Exactly
Hue’s fate was sealed when Mr. Davis passed. The organization was flipped completely upside down. He was owner, general manager, CEO, director of personnel, heck he was even assistant head coach in a way. And it has been that way since I can remember.
Let me say that Hue excited me more than any coach we have had in years, and obviously he would still be around if Mr. Davis was still with us. But unfortunately that is not the case, and the whole thing has to be rebuilt. People can call Mark bitter but the fact of the matter is that he was not groomed to be Al Jr. I for one am relieved that Mark is not going to try and run the football operations like his father did, for obvious reasons.
Mark brought in a General Manager with assistance from some strong football minds. Reggie is tasked with helping rebuild the organization, and in order for it to work he must be 100% positive that everyone is on board with his plan. Now I don’t necessarily think Hue would have had any issue with Reggie taking over, but even a small chance that he would have hampered the process would be reason enough for Reggie to let him go. Any GM with such a daunting job ahead of him would start fresh with the coaching staff.
I wish Hue the best and appreciate the passion he gave this team for the past 2 seasons.
by Big Double in Little China on Jan 12, 2012 10:29 PM PST up reply actions
right. Hue was exciting. I find myself always wanting to call him "Huge"
someone here called him huge action. He did a phenomenal job in the short time here and with the opportunity offered him, but it was time for a new era to begin. It’s unfortunate, but inevitable, that spins must be put on it by folks unaware of what actually happened. It was a prudent business decision, and that’s all.
""The massive Raider Nation is beyond doubt the sleaziest and rudest and most sinister mob of thugs and wackos ever assembled."--Hunter S. Thompson
"In football, I root for the Oakland Raiders because they hire castoffs, outlaws, malcontents, and fuck -ups, they have lots of penalties, fights, and paybacks, and because Al Davis told the rest of the pig NFL owners to go get fucked. Someday, the Raiders will be strong again, and they will dip the ball in shit and shove it down the throats of the wholesome, white, heartland teams that pray together and don't deliver late hits." - George Carlin.
I am also appreciative of what he did in the first 1.5 years he was here and i will never take away from him for that
He turned the offence around and was a great offensive co-ordinator.
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by Ozraider on Jan 12, 2012 10:44 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
he will have a job in the league soon, without a doubt
""The massive Raider Nation is beyond doubt the sleaziest and rudest and most sinister mob of thugs and wackos ever assembled."--Hunter S. Thompson
"In football, I root for the Oakland Raiders because they hire castoffs, outlaws, malcontents, and fuck -ups, they have lots of penalties, fights, and paybacks, and because Al Davis told the rest of the pig NFL owners to go get fucked. Someday, the Raiders will be strong again, and they will dip the ball in shit and shove it down the throats of the wholesome, white, heartland teams that pray together and don't deliver late hits." - George Carlin.
I know hardly anybody feels the same way, but the way I see it, Al hired Hue, and McKensie disrespected AL by firing him the way he did.
I’m not going to argue with fellow Raider fans over this, it is, what it is. I wasn’t anymore happy with the way the players performed, than the coaching decisions. But, all in all, we looked a hell of a lot better than the Broncos did, and they sleathered right in.
Carson 315 yds
Tebow 60 yds, are you kidding me?!?!?!?
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One win away from the playoffs
That seems to be the justification for the Hue lovers. Has Raider Nation’s expectations sunk so low? Hue stunk up the place. Said all the wrong things, mortgaged our future for a hasbeen/neverwas Bengal. He’s supposed to be a genius play caller, really? He blew it over and over with a part of the game that is supposed to be in his wheelhouse. C’mon give me a break! What Hue says off the cuff is who he is, not what he says when he’s backtracking later and sounds reasonable. That crap is a lie. Fuck Hue! Long live the Raida’s!
How the hell do you know how good Moss will or wont be?
you just have a serious hard on for Hue
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Screw Hue. He's gone
This is about the future, and they want to hire somebody who’s not only already been turned down for the HC job in favor of Tom Cable, but also got turned down for the Packers DC position. He’s a LB coach. That’s it.
nah, saunders should stay where he is. for 1 season maybe
hes smart, hes been a HC in the NFL, but if this is a new era (pronounced “urrah”) of change , most of this staff (less a handful I can think of) needs to take a walk.
The problem with the raiders is an organizational one, its an attitude, a culture thing. And if mckensie has to fire every fucking person in the building with any amount of authority in order to weed out the sickness, I’m all about it.
Obviously, whatever we’ve been doing for the past 10 years isnt working. And as much as I’d like to break his nose, rich gannon may have been right when he said the only way to fix the raiders is to blow up the building and start from scratch, I think he might have been right, and the “chip on the shoulder” mark davis (even with that friar tuck hair-do) and the madden reccomended mckensie might just be detached from the “tradition turned sickness” enough to do it.
Screw it. Move to LA, fire everyone. do whatever you have to do to return this team to greatness. I don’t care if were called the Oklahoma City Raiders, if this team can once again become the feared beast we all know it can be, I’m all for it.
by Toolshed1485 on Jan 14, 2012 3:44 PM PST up reply actions
I see what you mean about being passed up for Cable
but Moss is actually the assistant head coach now in Green Bay not just a position coach
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this article was crap!
the only reason i see mckenzie firing Hue is because they both have big egos and like Andre harrell told Puff daddy along time when he got fired “there only can be one lion in the jungle”
Hue did himself in
If he doesn’t say ‘I want input on who the GM will be’ he still might be with us. As soon as McKenzie heard that and signed his contract it was a wrap for Hue. There will be no power struggle and McKenzie established that right out the gate.
Yes but like Mark Davis does; wouldn't have hurt to "SIT BACK AND OBSERVE" another year with Hue.
The guy is a great OC but needs to improve and I was/am still optimistic that he’ll be a great coach someday.
I just hope he doesn’t go to KC and be their OC.
Every man for himself...
I forgot who said it earlier this year
But someone on here, who I at the time, whole heartedly disagreed with (with hope in my heart I assume, silly me), said the Carson Palmer Trade was an “All In” move by Hue Jackson, with his creditbility on the line. I think at the time it pissed me off so because a part of me knew, deep down inside, that he was right and it was an all in move.
Well. It didn’t quite work out, did it. 1-4 down the stretch and while carson did put up some great numbers and made some exciting throws, showcasing my new fav Denarius Moore, and finally helping DHB break out. It wasn’t enough. And we did effectively mortgage our future on Palmer. I think he will produce for us though, but he’s not the answer. sure maybe 2 more seasons, maybe three but thats it. nothing long term, nothing to build around.
But what's the deal with this
My takeaway is that within the Raiders organization there are a lot of beaten-down, worthless Al Davis flunkies who are scared McKenzie has been given the autonomy to scrub the place clean of beaten-down, worthless Al Davis flunkies. The Al Davis-Oakland gravy train has run out of gravy and starving, beaten-down, worthless Al Davis flunkies are crying on the laptop of the media member Al Davis despised the most, Mike Silver.
Al Davis brings ex-Raiders into the business, and they become “worthless flunkies”? Wyche at nfl.com calls it cronyism. Was it not simply Al putting a team of trusted associates together and giving former players a career after the playing field?
it's all assumptions
none of those would have any idea how the Raiders worked internally. Al Davis’ Raiders were the most secretive franchises in sports.
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Wow.. Fuck off Hubris
Fucking troll..
we’re cheap, like to drink and are pissed off.
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Sorry Oz, but I have to agree with rightnasty on this one.
You do a wonderful job of integrating your argument and support with arguments from other writers such as Whitlock. Based upon the evidence you present I conclude that it is little more than a fabulous conspiracy theory. Conspiracy theories tend to be based on the notion that some of the contained elements may be factual, but there are too many illusory correlations where it can take some jumps, even remarkable ones, to make the elements fit. I don’t want to get into the details because I can see writing a book in exposing the faults. Remember, even Whitlock is paid to sensationalize because that’s how he makes a living, and it was very convenient for him to ride your bandwagon. I do sense a good level of analyses on your part. Nice try!
well thanks
i guess lol :)
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You guess?!? Oz, you should have went to law school.
by RaiderPsycho on Jan 16, 2012 11:59 AM PST up reply actions
hahahaha
:D
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Relationship with Mark,
Every team has a GM – some assembled (Allen/Gruden), some forced (whoever was GM with Fisher). That’s not the issue with Hue. From reading both articles, it appears that Hue underestimated Mark’s resolved to be an owner and do what owners do, get the spotlight as a shrewd businessman who wins. I’ve mentioned this several times, it’s easy to criticise the Palmer trade and dump Hue, but the reality – what exactly was the alternative? You’re sitting 4-2, the division is weak, going 5-5 the rest of the season gets you the division, DMAC was still expected to come back, Boller was a horror show, your WR were coming along, you have a couple of days before the trade deadline, Garrard is busted goods, and you have a player that you’ve recruited for college and is familiar from the Bengals. It was steep price to pay no doubt but that the price when you don’t have a credible back up. Palmer is on our roster for 2 more years so the OC needs to fit what we have – keep Saunders. Hue got the trade done with a real QB. He has a sweet long ball that can strike – we can play Raiders football with him. Hue failed to treat Mark as an owner; all he had to say was “we have a lot of work in front of us and we’ll get going asap. Mark will do what he has always done – what’s best for the organization, and I’ll wait for his orders”. Instead, he washes his hands from the D and declares that he’ll decide on who his boss will be. Owners want to be treated like owners.
Yep,
without Palmer we finish 4-12 and Hue gets fired anyway
Whether Hue talked his way out of Oakland or if McKenzie just wanted to start from scratch with his own hire…it doesn’t matter anymore.
We are on a new path now and hopefully it leads to the Greatness of the Raiders being restored to it’s rightful place.
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I'm not going to even comment on how ridiculous of an article this was!!!
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by Hue Jackson (StL OC) on Jan 17, 2012 4:33 PM PST reply actions
Hue, not every body on here supports that article.
I know I’m going to take heat for this, but I don’t care. Sometimes, in a screwbally season like we had this year, you have to look past the W’s & L’s, and see the progress.
For over 40 years I’ve seen the Raiders lose to some team they shouldn’t have, and this year it was Miami. We split with our division rivals, 2 of which came during the Carson transition, which unless your just a bonehead was totally acceptable. That was the first time ever, I was actually happy after a Denver loss, just because I saw so much improvement from Carson. (-3) Then we lost 3 to playoff teams, one that’s going to the Super Bowl, another was favored to win it. (-3) You add a tough 3 point loss against a Bills team that just slaughtered KC in KC, and beat the Patriot the week after us (-1) and your left with one bonehead loss Miami (-1) Hardly reason to be rudely fired.
Forget the fact that I celebrated 8 victories, 3 against teams I hate the most
Forget the fact our founding father passed away, and you kept the team focus for 2 wins
Forget the fact that we were 6-2 when our starting quarterback got injured and was done for the season
Forget the fact that we all thought, that’s it we’re screwed.
Forget the fact, that you took the risk on Carson, and it paid off.
Forget the fact that my wife is a Bears fan and thank you very much!
Forget the fact that its hard enough being an NFL coach without a barge full of problems.
Forget the fact that we were happy to still have a shot at a division championship & the playoffs till the very last minutes of the season.
Forget the fact that Carson threw for 417 yards in the hard fought loss.
Forget the fact that in comparison, our arch rivals poster boy Tebow could have fumbled the ball more than he passed it (62 yds) in their teams pathetic excuse of a loss, and this made me glad I was a Raider fan, and not a Denver fan.
Forget the fact that the defense didn’t kick it up a notch, while you were dealing with major blows.
Forget the fact that it hurt, but if you take away 2 major setbacks, we “were” in the playoffs
Forget the fact that all you had to do was kick some defense booty, and we were Super Bowl bound next year
With all that said, shoot what was I talking about I just forgot everything,lol.
Oh, thats right.
It took a strong person to deal with this years crises & still break even. All I want from our coach is at some point win us a dam Super Bowl. All I expect of him is be competitive and keep us proud, and make progress toward my want. I believe you did just that.
You can’t buy a championship, it comes from team chemistry, and for the first time since Gruden, I felt we were starting to get it. Sorry, the new GM didn’t see it. Sorry everybody saw the glass half empty, not half full like I saw it. I wish you the best where ever you end up, they’ll be lucky to have you. I’m sure you will do fine. Thank Hue (-;
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Forget the fact that the new GM has the right to have a different plan and want a specific guy that he hired to work with him
Fact is Hue was a victim of circumstance, it was not his coaching for why he was fired. He would have been great for us if given the opportunity to stay with Al Davis, but once he died and we were hiring a GM everything about our organization changed. It now has completely different philosophies and Hue no longer fit the way we want to win. It was not Hue’s fault he got fired but the fact is the GM has to have a coach that he knows he can work with and is going to want the same type of players and if Reggie McKenzie knew that it wasnt Hue than Hue had to go.
Besides that there were plenty of bad things that Hue did too so its not like it was all excusable. He didnt deserve to be fired because of his coaching, which he did do well enough at to earn more time under normal circumstances, but because he did not fit what the GM wanted. Having the right fit between GM and Coach is more important than almost anything. Hue and Al Davis fit together perfectly, Hue and Reggie McKenzie did not.
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by Marcus Allen Krause on Jan 25, 2012 2:28 PM PST up reply actions
I appreciate the coment,
I agree with everything you & I are both saying. I’m saying goodbye, and your saying hello. Almost like a Beatles song.
Hue was hired by the boss. The boss dies. The boss’s son hires a new boss. The boss fires Hue….? A lot of talk and speculation say the new boss wants to go in a different direction than Hue, or Hue wanted to do things his way, and RM chose not to deal with that, and then everybody turns their back on Hue when he justifiably gets upset. We all know he was a bit of a loos cannon, but so was Madden. Here is where I have a problem. I haven’t seen one shred of evidence that Reggie even had one minute of conversation with Hue, before he made his decision, or allowed Hue one minute to even try to show Reggie where he could fit in. As far as I know ,and please show me what I don’t know if I’m wrong, Reggie never said anything to Hue, and just had him notified he was terminated. When you show up at a job as a supervisor, and immediately start disrespecting people, its going to back fire. Its too easy for all us fans to just switch over. We’re not the players. Do we know for sure that even 50% of the players are OK with this move.
All this doesn’t matter anymore, water under the bridge, so I’ll move on.
I’m a Raider fan by blood, I hope you know what that means, and no, I’m not related. Reggie wants to take this team in a different direction. What direction is that? Just because Al’s gone, does not give you the right to turn the Raiders into the F’n Packers. Their was some dude on here saying we need to be more like the Patriots, or the Giants, and even the NINERS? WTF up Chuck? F’n bandwagen jumper, GTFOH!!
Help my Raiders win, but don’t change what makes them the RAIDERS.
Thanks for lettin me vent MAK. Give me a little time, I’ll get on board. Great name by the way. I know, mine’s stupid, but I get a lot of laughs on the Boise St site, their my jealous mistress. (-;
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I think yours is a great Boise St screen name, now that I know what it is about its really creative lol
I can understand your frustration brother and it is good to vent it all out. I do not believe he talked to him in an official capacity but they do very much know each other so it wasnt as out of left field as it seems. The players know that its a business and they have to be ok with it, a lot of them were not ok with Tom Cables firing but they are professionals and know that it happens.
I dont believe the changes being made have to make the Raiders not be the Raiders anymore, it is just a delayed evolution in my opinion. They are still going to go deep, run the ball, hit hard and all that jazz. At least try to see what the on field product is like before deeming it changed negatively. You gotta remember that Reggie was a Raider once too, he understands the mystique. He just knows that things need to change if we want to win in the now and is doing those things. We are still the Silver and Black and will remain that way. We will play fast and aggressive, but we are trying to get to a point where we play more clean and have a defense to be proud of. Take all the time you need, but try not to be so convinced that everything is changing too much because at the end of the day we will still be DAAAA RAIDAHSSS!!! lol
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by Marcus Allen Krause on Jan 27, 2012 4:55 PM PST up reply actions
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coach up! Go Raiders!!!! The Raiders will get it right, and Hue will get it right.
along story short
to make a long story short .i thought your article was worthless and only obvious to see that you personally dont like hue jackson just by keeping with that’’ hubris ’’ crap when in raider nation land he wasnt known as that. but by hue, coach jackson or huejack. so get over your personal disliking of hue jackson an start writing some articles more fan uplifting and inspiring.

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