Building A Defense. Part 1. Tyvon Branch.
by raiderfan21 on Jan 18, 2012 7:57 PM PST
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PrintI'm just going to come out with it. Tyvon Branch has got to be our first priority this off-season. He is the best player on the defense plain and simple. We gotta get him signed quick. I don't see him leaving unless the eagles gave him a hefty deal and was reunited with Aso. We do have a need at the safety position though. Honestly Huff is getting overpayed to be a nickle corner and I'm sorry but not a fan of Girodono. Huff needs to be traded and take anything we can get from him. Girodono can stay and be a backup to the starting the free safety. Which that bring me to my next point.
Branch at Free Safety. We have spitballed the idea around before and I never used to agree with it but then we played the packers. The Packers messed our stuff up. There was this one play though that I hope everyone remembers because I can't find it. Tyvon Branch covered Greg Jennings deep one on one and slapped the ball down. There aren't many players in this league that can do that. Cover newly vacaitioning poster boy Aaron Rodgers go to guy one on one with all day to pass. HOW!?
We have had Huff there for awhile. Girodono can't tackle or cover just kinda stands there and jumps at the ball. With Branch at FS it's a lot easier to find a Strong.
Mike Mitchell had a bit of a bad year. He was on the field a lot but I think he had one pick but that's the only play I remember him missing. He has a lot of upside and truely is a Raider.
Here's a curve ball for you guys. Landry out of Washington. The guy can play when healthy. Having him and Tyvon in the back with a 3-4 upfront?? Sounds like a bully. He flys to the ball and can lay wood. Let him get healthy and we have decent backups at each position ( Mitchell and Girodono) We just can't let our ruff defense lose its diamond. Branch is a star and a true Raider.
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i really hope we do go after Landry
Branch and Landry would be a great set of safetys. I like Gio but also would rather he be the back up. Then again if he improves as much in the off season as he did this past off season he could he a great player. He grew leaps and bounds from his final year in Green Bay to this year with us.
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by Marcus Allen Krause on Jan 18, 2012 8:21 PM PST via mobile reply actions
Also we maybe should consider Cortland Finnigan from Ten.
He looks like a Raider and is pretty solid at man coverage.
The raiders are one good corner away from being elite- Howie Long
Or do we let Chimdi and DVD play?
Not if we cut Huff, Kelly, CJ, coop, and
by raiderfan21 on Jan 19, 2012 9:13 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
Yes, it needs to be
“Restructure your bloated over blown contract for the good of the team or take your overpaid ass out of town”
Wimbley, Huff, McClain, and Kelly…this means you! but not just you.
"Now I know what your thinking, did he fire six shots or only five. Ive forgotten myself in all this excitement, but being that this is the 44 magnum, the most powerful handgun in the world and could blow your head clean off, you have to ask your question. Do I feel lucky? Well do ya punk!"
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Exactly and also
Palmer, McFadden, DHB, and maybe even Seymour again.
by raiderfan21 on Jan 19, 2012 9:24 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
Yes! to Reggie signing
Laron Landry, when I read that he was a free agent; next to signing OG Carl Nicks & our own T. Branch I think this is the most important free agent out there.
restructure or trade Mr. Huff, he will always be remembered for the game saving touchdown interception against Houston following Al’s passing.
Well I read Curry's scouting report
And it says he would hit better in the middle of 3-4 better then the outside pass rusher. Which seemed to be the case he seemed to better at stopping the run and making hits on ball carriers in the flats rather then pass rushing, SO McClain and Curry in the middle. Wimbly on one OLB and Scott,Groves,Moss, and Maybe shaugnessy at the other OLB. Seymour, Houston, Bryant at ends and I think we need to trade or restrucure Kelly because we need a NT through FA and probably the draft.
its very likely in my opinion...
with ole’ mak as our gm he says he is fond of a west coast offence (even though palmer wouldnt really work so well with that) and he likes the 3-4 which he knows well
I expect us to go after 2-3 big name free agents.
With our first pick likely to be a comp pick and a new coach clearing house we could have some money to blow. The defense needs work I think the offense is fine besides a couple O lineman for madden sake but we had a decent line that will only get better with Veldheer and WIz getting better and better.
Not yet.
but a few restructures, a few trades and a few cuts and viola!
We have money! and hopefully a few extra picks too.
"Now I know what your thinking, did he fire six shots or only five. Ive forgotten myself in all this excitement, but being that this is the 44 magnum, the most powerful handgun in the world and could blow your head clean off, you have to ask your question. Do I feel lucky? Well do ya punk!"
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The new coach will do whatever to get money.
There’s no way the new guy keeps all the same players from last year and doesn’t get anyone new. He’s going to put his mark on franchise and I hope it’s a defensive one.
by raiderfan21 on Jan 19, 2012 9:06 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
The new head coach, whoever it ends up being
had better start on defense, because we are much weaker and older there than on offense.
"Now I know what your thinking, did he fire six shots or only five. Ive forgotten myself in all this excitement, but being that this is the 44 magnum, the most powerful handgun in the world and could blow your head clean off, you have to ask your question. Do I feel lucky? Well do ya punk!"
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We'll see!
"Now I know what your thinking, did he fire six shots or only five. Ive forgotten myself in all this excitement, but being that this is the 44 magnum, the most powerful handgun in the world and could blow your head clean off, you have to ask your question. Do I feel lucky? Well do ya punk!"
Dirty Harry Callahan
Don't you always...
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shouldnt be expensive
cb- courtland fnnegan
Fs- branch
SS- Mitchell
cb- routt
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Me too!
CB- Finnegan
FS- Branch
SS- Landry
CB- Chekwa
"Now I know what your thinking, did he fire six shots or only five. Ive forgotten myself in all this excitement, but being that this is the 44 magnum, the most powerful handgun in the world and could blow your head clean off, you have to ask your question. Do I feel lucky? Well do ya punk!"
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he had a key INT on jermicheal againts the PAcks
it was in the red zone and everything. I ithnk he has high energy and should have the chance to get a groove by playing minutes. Mitchell usually does well against TE.
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nah i thought it was branch him that game
i remeber asking myself why it wasnt mitchell…yeah if i remember it was between branch and wimbley
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re-structure Palmer
I dont know how much he is making but its definitely a lot, take out 4 mill of his salary, take out 4 of Huff or trade him, re-structure with Wmbley and with that we have something around 12 mill, enought to get Landry and another player OR Cortland Finnegan. Id like Landry better because we have young guys at CB with Chekwa and DVD so I would prefer a Safety
I dont think anybody thinks gio as a starting safety is advisable
But I definitely want the guy on the team.
They already announced huff was moving to corner right? (without a coach in place hmmmmm???)
If that actually happens – he’ll be starting opposite routt. We need a play making safety. Landry would be awesome.
by lchristmas on Jan 18, 2012 8:54 PM PST via mobile reply actions
How much money will we have this year?
I’m pretty sure we’re like 10 mil + over the salary cap, if I’m not mistaken?
by DubAndRaiderNation on Jan 18, 2012 10:35 PM PST reply actions
Sign Branch ASAP!
Does anybody expect Mike Huff to be a starting CB for Oakland next year????
Every man for himself...
I only see him starting at slot.
personally im hoping they trade him away.
by SmashmouthFB on Jan 19, 2012 10:27 AM PST up reply actions
Only if we want to be worse.
They made him a nickle this year he sucked we all know he made a big play in Houston other than that I don’t remeber much of value out of his efforts this year.
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He played injured for 80% of the season
by SmashmouthFB on Jan 22, 2012 4:49 PM PST up reply actions
I agree totally he wasn't healthy
I just also got the feeling that when Hue was in the final presser… for what it’s worth. He voiced his opinion about players who talk a lot a deliver little it seemed to be slanted towards the higher paid individuals on the defense. One of those would be Huff we know McClain isn’t very vocal.
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I think that might've been a Hue idea right before he got canned
I think our starting corners are going to be Routt one side and either Chekwa/Van Dyke/mid-level free agent on the other.
Good post RF21
Signing Tyvonn is absolutely critical and must be a first priority. I think people are being a little unfair to Huffy as he played with injury all season and I still think he is a quality player in the league. I also think Mitchell is underrated for his season he didn’t really get any preseason and when he was out there he may not have made ‘impact’ plays he shut down some excellent tight ends.
I like LaRon Landry but he has been getting a lot of heat in the Washington media so that does give me some pause.
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by Ozraider on Jan 18, 2012 11:53 PM PST via mobile reply actions
Maybe that will drive the price down
I like LaRon Landry but he has been getting a lot of heat in the Washington media so that does give me some pause
"Now I know what your thinking, did he fire six shots or only five. Ive forgotten myself in all this excitement, but being that this is the 44 magnum, the most powerful handgun in the world and could blow your head clean off, you have to ask your question. Do I feel lucky? Well do ya punk!"
Dirty Harry Callahan
He has been injured and still plays.
They had him playing FS because they had no one else and it wasn’t good.
by raiderfan21 on Jan 19, 2012 9:07 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
Branch and Landry..
Two hard hitting safeties who fly to the ball but who are also inconsistent in coverage. The branch vs. jennings play you mentioned does show that tyvon can run downfield and make a play on the ball, but remember he played corner in college. Now tyvon has to cover TE’s 1on1 in this defense, he’s too small to consistently challenge catches from bigger TE’s and it has been a dagger in an otherwise solid passing defense.
Landry is bigger, and can probably more solidly cover TE’s but he’s not a guy who can be asked to cover the slot man to man, especially quicker slippery guys.
The DB’s aren’t really the problem in this defense tho. Now that DVD and Chekwa have a year under their belts, I see a pretty solid CB rotation especially with Huff helping out in the nickel.
He doesn't seem to small.
Watch the first video and he is the only one tackling the TES, and the biggers RBs/FBs. Is huff bigger then Branch? Or is Gio?
by raiderfan21 on Jan 19, 2012 9:10 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
Branch it the only player in the back 7 who can tackle besides curry.
Branch is 6-0 205
boyd is 6-2 225
Gio is 5-11 210
mike is 6-0 220
by SmashmouthFB on Jan 19, 2012 10:32 AM PST up reply actions
Branch is too small to be SS
He is a willing tackler he doesn’t have enough mass to be effective. It’s just simple physics…
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I think I remeber him as a SS for the colts....
2004-05 Indianapolis 6
2005-06 Indianapolis 14
2006-07 Indianapolis 4
2007-08 Indianapolis 15
2008-09 Indianapolis 6
2009-10 Indianapolis 2
2010-11 Indianapolis 1
2011-12 San Diego 2
128 possible games he has played in 50 too small to holdup to the punishment he delivers…. He is a nice player very productive when healthy…
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Only played in 11 games in the last 4 years
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Ummmmm? Polamalus is 5-10
Branch weights 210. plenty of mass
speed + leverage > weight
go back to school
by SmashmouthFB on Jan 22, 2012 4:53 PM PST up reply actions
If you carry your mass above your center of gravity as branch does you have no leverage... genius.
Palamalou launches himself at the target. That’s a play the NFL is eliminating. I’m pretty familiar with Troy he went to high school 10 minutes from where I live. His brother teaches at the local Juco.
ps genius
Palamalou is listed
Height: 5-10
Weight: 207
branch listed at
6’-0"
205
Higher center of gravity = less leverage…
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LOL
Branch is too small to be SS
and now you are saying hes to big. LOL you make great arguments. dur da dur
sorry i was off by 5 pounds. cause it REALLY matters.
Polamalu is obviously better than branch, that wasn’t the argument.
the argument was that branch is to small to play SS. I gave you someone whos smaller AND better…. sooooooo your move genius.
by SmashmouthFB on Jan 22, 2012 8:08 PM PST up reply actions
Id rather see him at free safety he has pretty good ball skills I just think he is more suited for that slot
Its a difference of opinion. i think we need a bigger strong
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yup
bring in landry at SS and move Branch to FS. would be a great duo
by SmashmouthFB on Jan 22, 2012 9:02 PM PST up reply actions
and hope that either DVD or Chekwa work out as Corners
i think they will.
by SmashmouthFB on Jan 22, 2012 9:04 PM PST up reply actions
dvd is better then he gets credit for...
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yup
He can stay with the bet of them but he needs to learn to turn his head, locate the ball and make a play. that will come in time hopefully
he could also use an extra 5-10 pounds
by SmashmouthFB on Jan 23, 2012 12:44 PM PST up reply actions
He does look funny as hell at time but he's been very effective...
Yeah he needs to put some lead in his pockets!
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his tackling is absolutely HORRIBLE tho. that needs work
by SmashmouthFB on Jan 23, 2012 5:10 PM PST up reply actions
He tackle like this baller!
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LOL
that kid could probably tackle better.
he would panic and curl up into the fetal position and the guy would trip over him LOL
by SmashmouthFB on Jan 23, 2012 9:05 PM PST up reply actions
totally agree except i think branch it much better in coverage than you give him credit for.
by SmashmouthFB on Jan 19, 2012 10:25 AM PST up reply actions
TE’s are a different beast to cover, Tyvon CAN cover WR’s but with all the pass interference rules in todays NFL TE’s box smaller DB’s out very effectively. Tyvon isn’t a small man, but 6’0 having to get around a 6’6 man is hard.
to true
thats why TEs are slowly becoming the #1 receivers on offense
by SmashmouthFB on Jan 19, 2012 9:32 PM PST up reply actions
Istill thin the evoluition of the seconadary has to get taller...
There are too many bigger WR/TE to keep drafting 5’10" – 6’0" corners times they are a changing.
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Your assuming that we'll be playing the same defense we play now
The scheme we run will and should dictate who we keep, resign, dump and acquire this off season.
The same goes for offense and until we know who our head coach will be, who our OC and DC will be and what direction this team is going to take it’s hard to say who should stay and who should go.
That said, I’d like Tyvon to stay because he should fit somewhere in what ever system we end up playing in.
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Dirty Harry Callahan
To me because our defense was so bad we can completely start over but
Our offense can be a Super Bowl offense. With everyone healthy, McFadden back, and an offseason for Palmer and receivers to get better. Not too mention the solid O line will be better next year.
by raiderfan21 on Jan 19, 2012 9:20 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
Is Bresnehan still on staff...
I am sure it is only a technicality that he is since Reggie said the new HC will be choosing his own staff. But as far as having a Superbowl offense, we are far from it! Our original problem of QB is still there. If Carson goes down, will JC be there to pick up the wins or vise versa. And our glass running backs and We’d. I mean every last piece of our offense except for our Kline is made of glass. Except for Bush who will be gone, GOOD LUCK MICHEAL, YOU MADE THE RAIDERNATION PROUD! We need a number on WR and we need a quality TE. If McFadden can suck it up when he hurts his Tootsie, Fucking Pussy, as a matter of fact get rid of him and see what we can get for him. FOR SALE TO THE HIGHEST BIDDER: One dream shattering glass RB who makes you think you have the best RB until you take him home and drop him on your tile floor. We need a ton of help Nation!!!
by infinateraiderfan on Jan 19, 2012 10:59 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
It's not Mcfaddens fault.
He has played with shots to take away pain and if you remember he was on the sideline trying to get back in after the injury. I’m telling you add McFadden to some of those games we lost and we would have won.
by raiderfan21 on Jan 19, 2012 1:00 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
a good cornerstone of a d is having 2 good corners.
we dont and that there not tall enough or fast enough to keep up with these wr’s. how i miss namadi, playing man. the guys we have cant play it.i think were good at safety but there is always room for improvement. our weakness is corner. rhoutt, cj dont cut it and lito is old . we need good corners that can play man coverage
by sports with steve on Jan 19, 2012 12:14 PM PST reply actions
Chekwa did good.
Shepard played well. We’re going to run a new defense. A lot of teams don’t have 2 great corners. Nyg, NE, SD, Bal, pit, and ATL.
by raiderfan21 on Jan 19, 2012 12:55 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Shepard was effect in the beginning, but towards the end he had to play about 10 yards off the receiver
and he was starting to be keyed on for quick outs/ hitchs
Every man for himself...
+1000
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Branch are best player
but he was also the guy who gave up the most TD’s and catches all year. I think we don’t resign him and get a ballhawk, not a tackler. Thats what LB’s are for. Tyvon is good but he gives up too many plays. Laron Laundry is fast and Taller and can hit harder then branch, it will be best to pursue him.
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Branch can cover Greg jennings one on one.
Let him sit back at the free safety spot and play the ball. Branch plays every game. I’m all for getting Landry but only if we can keep branch. Landry is a strict strong safety. They tried him at free and it didn’t really work.
by raiderfan21 on Jan 19, 2012 12:58 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
WTF?
1v1? are u insane? Nnamdi yes, Revis Yes, but a safety on a WR? its always a big mismatch almost all the time. Greg jennings was a decoy maybe for the game,
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by AlwaysWinBaby on Jan 19, 2012 4:27 PM PST up reply actions
its true and he did very well 1 on 1
the raiders play a lot of cover 1 which means the SS is playing man on somebody aka 1 on 1.
he was able to shutdown ppl aswell, not aswell as namdi of course but thats probably why you didn’t know he was playing a lot 1 on 1, he would blanket the receiver and the QB would have to go somewhere else.
by SmashmouthFB on Jan 19, 2012 5:33 PM PST up reply actions
every blind squirrel finds a nut
Just because he covered him well one play doesn’t mean he can cover him
by ryanmoore57 on Jan 20, 2012 12:05 AM PST up reply actions
if you think Mitchell is better than branch your kidding yourself
Branch gave the most catches and TDS? wheres your proof? this sounds like bullshit
by SmashmouthFB on Jan 19, 2012 1:07 PM PST up reply actions
really?
http://www.footballsfuture.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=432911
his post states that jerry mcdonald posts about branch stats. Never said mitchell was better but if you have watched any games this season, and get your head out of your ass, you would see tyvon giving up TD’s in the RZ. He is no ballhawk, he is a tackler w/ speed. Gio has more interceptions, as his 1st year with the raiders, and gio is slower and and worst at tackling, but yet has more interceptions than tyvon? We need a ballhawk!! like the old Huff
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by AlwaysWinBaby on Jan 19, 2012 4:20 PM PST up reply actions
Sensitive much?
first of all a forum topic is not proof those are opinions.
i figured you considered Mitchell better than branch cause in your above post you have him starting at SS over branch.
i watched every game at least twice so maybe if you were more specific in wich games he gave up TDs id believe you. by the way rout gave up more TDs than branch and so did gio and so did MM.
he doesn’t get picks because he blankets the receiver and the QB would have to go somewhere else. just look at namdi’s stats, not many ints.
by SmashmouthFB on Jan 19, 2012 5:43 PM PST up reply actions
PS: SS isnt really a ballhawk position but more of a LB and CB hybrid.
Examples: FS ed reed is the definition of a ballhawk and is his primary skill were his tackling and pursuit to the ball is second.
SS troy polamalu is a tackler first ballhawk second
by SmashmouthFB on Jan 19, 2012 5:47 PM PST up reply actions
He's a freelancer first
A tackler second
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Freelancer?
Only guys able to do that is Polamalu, Ed Reed, Etc
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by AlwaysWinBaby on Jan 21, 2012 1:57 PM PST up reply actions
typo
what i meant was ed is a ballhawk first tackler second
thanks for catching that
by SmashmouthFB on Jan 22, 2012 8:10 PM PST up reply actions
Here is your proof
Even Paul Gutierrez states that he was charged with 5 TD’s. Also with a burn rate of 55%. He lacks a lot of ball skills. He is so aggressive towards plays which is which why he gets burned or gives up those touchdown. Don’t get me wrong he is good, but he is no Ed Reed, Troy Polamalu, Nick Collins, or even Roman Harper. Yet people brag on how beast he is when really you have to be real sometimes. He is good, but honestly getting laron is a better option for us, he has better stats as a overall player, he isn’t just one sided and can tackle, he can tackle and get turnovers. Not to mention this guy can hit way harder then branch.
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by AlwaysWinBaby on Jan 20, 2012 1:52 AM PST up reply actions
Ive never liked the burn rate stat. to many variables for it to accurately portray a players coverage skills
I understand where your coming from tho and i agree he is no ed reed.
By that links stats Gio is our best coverage guy with a burn rate of 42.5% and DVD comes in at a close second at 43.8%. We all know these are not our best coverage guys.
Rout has a burn rate of 47.4% while giving up eight touchdowns. Plus, he was the most penalized player in the NFL, getting flagged 17 times, including nine in the last three games which led to 1st downs and TDs. Got 4 picks tho
you have to understand that safety is a much different position then CB. branch has to cover 6-6 260 TEs 1 on 1 where CBs don’t. Safety’s also have to cover much deeper which is harder to do since the Receivers are at top speed by the time they get there. Also safeties usually always give up more TDs just like defensive ends get more sacks than the interior linemen. its just the way it is.
by SmashmouthFB on Jan 20, 2012 10:41 AM PST up reply actions
True
Both positions are different. But with all the speed and good tackling, Tyvon should be a beast with all that skill, i mean like Polamalu status. The reason he isn’t is because of how he gets burned and gives up TD’s. Top CB’s have low burn rates, and that’s why their shut down corners. As for branch, he plays off of the guy most of the time, which means their should be no reason for a big play. Raiders have the worst “big play defense” in the world. With Tyvon back there we still end up with 40+ yard plays etc. To me, Tyvon shouldn’t be resigned, he is a liability in the backfield, when the ball goes deep, everyone is holding their breathe, why? because hes short, can’t jump and its like we don’t have trust. All that speed but yet, giving up too much imo. As I said we need a cover guy not a tackler, thats what are LB’s are for. Btw no problem on the article and sorry for the rude comment toward you above.
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by AlwaysWinBaby on Jan 21, 2012 1:47 AM PST up reply actions
A good coordinator doesnt ask a player to do something he has a problem with. IF tyvon has shown liabilities when covering in certain areas of the game, then the coordinator needs to help him out.
Definition of insanity is doing something over and over again and expecting a different result.
Raiders defense needs to play to Tyvon’s strengths, not ask him to do shit he cant do.
by Blake W on Jan 21, 2012 1:16 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
his strengths is playing in the box
8 man fronts, other than that he is a liability in the backfield. Don’t blame the DC, cause Tyvon is playing, and Chuck put him were he excels, by playing close to watch for the run. As you pointed out, what he cannot do, he can’t cover well enough to give us turnovers, as i said he is so aggressive, and bites too much. Also a good DC trust that his player can do what he is asked, not run away because he is uncomfortable.
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by AlwaysWinBaby on Jan 21, 2012 1:55 PM PST up reply actions
lol you think Breshnahan is a good DC
your nuts
by SmashmouthFB on Jan 22, 2012 4:57 PM PST up reply actions
never said he was good
all im saying is he played tyvon to his strengths. doesn’t he lead our defense in tackles again? must be he strengths.
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by AlwaysWinBaby on Jan 23, 2012 1:23 AM PST up reply actions
you read into stats a little to much
he leads the team in tackles because RBs/receivers get past our LBs (poor angles and tackling) which forces the safeties to come up and make the tackle
by SmashmouthFB on Jan 23, 2012 12:48 PM PST up reply actions
Ok not saying stats
matter , but they do show how much a player produces, and their tendencies. Stats are facts, and I base my knowledge on both stats and the player. For example, Rivers, i hate him the most in the NFL, but i know he is one of the top QB’s in the league regardless of how bad he played this season. LOL,about tyvon, come on man, he leads in tackles because he is always playing close, to watch the run then pass.
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by AlwaysWinBaby on Jan 24, 2012 6:54 PM PST up reply actions
chimdi will play as SS
and before he was injured they put him there.
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by AlwaysWinBaby on Jan 19, 2012 4:23 PM PST up reply actions
FS
he was only practicing at FS in preseason and weeks 1-3 or intill CJ went down but he primarily played CB and only got a few snaps at safety.
by SmashmouthFB on Jan 19, 2012 5:25 PM PST up reply actions
Hieght isnt a big facter at S its weight
he ways around 190 and a typical starting Safety runs around 210-220+
short, stocky and fast make the best safety’s, kinda like the RBs of the defense, kinda.
by SmashmouthFB on Jan 19, 2012 6:01 PM PST up reply actions
short only works with an insane athlete (see Bob Sanders) most NFL personnel guys want a SS who is atleast 6’1
Troy Polamalu is 5-10. You got to be an insane athlete to make it in NFL anyway
Video of the beast neff said
totally know what you mean tho
by SmashmouthFB on Jan 19, 2012 9:45 PM PST up reply actions
I hope "He" means reggie, i don't like he idea of mark choosing who we sign and don't
by ryanmoore57 on Jan 20, 2012 12:07 AM PST up reply actions
Correct, the "he" in that statement will be Reggie
He will be running the football side of the operation and I highly doubt there are going to be new exorbitant salaries like we’ve seen in the past around here and hopefully we’ll shed our selves of the ones we have now.
"Now I know what your thinking, did he fire six shots or only five. Ive forgotten myself in all this excitement, but being that this is the 44 magnum, the most powerful handgun in the world and could blow your head clean off, you have to ask your question. Do I feel lucky? Well do ya punk!"
Dirty Harry Callahan
agreed
i was looking at some of our of player salaries the other day, i think were giving up like 14 mil to carson, 8 mil to huff, i know we restructured wimbley but he was also like 7 mil. kelly has a huge contract, currys will be in the neighborhood of 7 mil. if were gonna take on these players and try to resurrect their careers we need to at least pay them what they deserve not what people thought they were gonna deserve when they signed them to these huge contracts.
True enough,
I think Reggie is going to have to sit down with some of these over paid guys (those guys include Wimbley, Routt, Huff, Seymour, Kelly, Palmer, Curry and McClain for sure and probably others Ive forgotten about) and give them the “it’s best for the team speech if you restructure” speech and if they balk? time to release them.
Even if we take a cap hit this year it will be better in the long run to have the guys that are so selfish and think of themselves before the team gone.
If they want to really be a part of the Raiders re-birth they’ll do it, if not…Bye!
"Now I know what your thinking, did he fire six shots or only five. Ive forgotten myself in all this excitement, but being that this is the 44 magnum, the most powerful handgun in the world and could blow your head clean off, you have to ask your question. Do I feel lucky? Well do ya punk!"
Dirty Harry Callahan
Structuring really is appropriate.
As the most penalized team in history, with one of the poorest defensive performances ever, who do many of these Raiders think they are regarding their salaries? They are paid to perform, but they fell far short of their paid superstatus, and not just one or two of them – many of them. Just think, after this performance, how come we were like the highest salary team? I prefer reality. I mean, the Raiders are my team, but if they play average or poor, then pay them average or poor.
by RaiderPsycho on Jan 22, 2012 8:13 PM PST up reply actions
Lol....bad memory...
The cowards never started, the weak died along the way....
by BlackHeartSilverEyes on Jan 22, 2012 6:45 AM PST up reply actions
Doesnt he play good man to man?
i dont buy his “character” issues, or lack of character. Andre Johnson is more of a PAB if you ask me.
Dangerously? Yea.
by TooShort2Play on Jan 22, 2012 2:32 PM PST up reply actions
and i would consider grimes as a corner.
get rid of rhoutt, cj and hire finnagan and grimes at corner.
by sports with steve on Jan 21, 2012 9:13 PM PST reply actions
I like Tyvon, I really do
but there are more pressing problems, like having the cap space to resign him or bring in free agent types.
we never retreat we always ATTACK!!!
I hate Tyvon, and the reason is that he has no signature hit, no signature play
nothing! He sucks plain and simple. He’s been a starter for a few years, and we have not one signature hit where he has caused a fumble or taken some out of the game. He can’t make plays on the ball either.
He should be on special teams and a backup safety. That’s it.
On other teams, you see guys like Donte Whitner, spectacular hit in the playoffs. That is what we need. A guy who can punish the opponent.
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