Raiders add Tice and Mornhinweg to coaching candidates
by Buster Bluth on Jan 18, 2012 4:59 AM PST
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PrintReggie McKenzie said at his press conference that he wanted to bring in "his guy" but with the way this "short list" is growing...he seems to know a lot of guys. I applaud McKenzie for looking diligently for coaching talent around the league and keeping his promise of making this a quick decision by lining up these interviews fairly quickly. I was originally worried that McKenzie would just wait for the Packers to be done with their season and just bring in Moss and hire him on the spot without doing his homework and going with a comfortable choice instead of an informed choice.
The latest news has 2 more coaching candidates that Reggie is looking to have a chat with...Mike Tice and Marty Mornhinweg.
Both these men have head coaching experience of varying success.
Mike Tice has just recently been promoted from offensive line coach to offensive coordinator for the Bears replacing the departing Mike Martz. Prior to his former position with the Bears, Tice was the assistant head coach with the Jags for 3 years and prior to that was the head coach of the Vikings after replacing Dennis Green in the final week of the 2001 season.Tice had some decent success with the Vikings (33-34 record overall) and went to the playoffs once where they knocked off the Packers in their first game. I'm on the fence with the possibility of bringing Tice on as a HC. I think he got a raw deal in Minnesota as the owner at the time was pretty cheap and handicapped the talent of the team as a whole and Tice did a decent job of getting the best out of those players and had them leading the league in rushing one season. He prefers a power running scheme which as we have seen recently, favors with a talent like McFadden.
The other gentleman is Marty Mornhinweg, the Eagles assistant head coach/offensive coordinator for the past 6 years and has ties back to Green Bay with Holmgren. He was the HC of the Lions for 2 years (2001-2002) going 5-27 which isn't very impressive but when you put the Matt Millen factor into the equation it is difficult to get a good read on his ability as a HC and this was 10 years ago as well. I like what he has been able to do in Philly with the offense, they have been a successful franchise overall for the better part of the millennium and he seems to have a creative mind and gets the most out of his players.
Again, I appreciate the work that Reggie is putting into this coaching search and I hope he continues to leave no stone unturned in finding the right fit for his new vision of this team. The selection of the HC will go a long ways in showing us fans the direction of this team and we need a strong leader now more than ever as we have the talent...we just need the focus and the direction of a strong presence.
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Probably next week
but I would prefer, as impatient as we all are, to wait until after the Super Bowl in order to get a shot at all available coaches.
Your team is your child...You love it no matter what.
by TheRaiderWay on Jan 18, 2012 6:23 AM PST up reply actions
Yeah might be the best thing to do, I wanted them to hire someone quickly so we didn't miss out
on any good DC out there, but I guess its better to wait and get the right HC for our team…
Kevin Gilbride maybe? i remember a couple of years ago he was a candidate for our head coach position
Apparently, Reggie has put the intangible of character and leadership above performance metrics for our next HC
we need a strong leader now more than ever as we have the talent…we just need the focus and the direction of a strong presence.
As for the opinion that “we have the talent”, well, first things first.
S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
"George Blanda ... I really believe he is the greatest clutch player in the history of this game." Al Davis
"Let no thing possess you that you do not dictate." Raymond St. Martin
It should be more like...
We have some talent and lots of evaluation to do.
"Now I know what your thinking, did he fire six shots or only five. Ive forgotten myself in all this excitement, but being that this is the 44 magnum, the most powerful handgun in the world and could blow your head clean off, you have to ask your question. Do I feel lucky? Well do ya punk!"
Dirty Harry Callahan
That's the understatement of the century!
Hue Jackson
by Hue Jackson (StL OC) on Jan 18, 2012 7:46 AM PST up reply actions
Apparently the first evaluation was of you
Hubris
"Now I know what your thinking, did he fire six shots or only five. Ive forgotten myself in all this excitement, but being that this is the 44 magnum, the most powerful handgun in the world and could blow your head clean off, you have to ask your question. Do I feel lucky? Well do ya punk!"
Dirty Harry Callahan
Did you not hear?
Your total mismanagement of game situations,mishandling of the injury roster and the roster in general as well as your final tirade resulted in your being fired. I suggest getting a mani/peddi and a facial Hue.It would seem your much better at that than at coaching a football team.
by Canadian Raider on Jan 18, 2012 12:48 PM PST up reply actions
hey can you add by 7's yet to know when to go for two?
still think that first Q decision to not kick a FG against detroit was a good idea? Still want to go for the bomb on 4th an 1?
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA that was fun!
That's fair...I still believe the talent we have is superior to our 8-8 finish
We may not have the talent to go all the to the Superbowl yet but I think we have shown that we have many players…with the right leadership…to be more than what we have been the last 2 seasons. Hopefully with Reggie at the wheel we can dump the guys dragging us down and bring in some guys that fit our new vision.
You know what would make a good story? Something about a clown who makes people happy, but inside he's real sad. Also, he has severe diarrhea.
by Buster Bluth on Jan 18, 2012 8:00 AM PST up reply actions
I'ts kinda like.......
The real world. You get dressed up and go to the interview thinking you have a shot, but the powers that be have already made a choice and are going through the motions for appearances of procedure. Or….we really don’t have a clue, that scares me more. I’d love it if we broke ranks with Al’s notion of no name up and comers and got us a real HC that comes without growing pains or huge gambles.
No matter if it is a big name HC or a no-name
The risks are not all that different. You just have to find the guy that best fits this team and shares Reggie’s vision for the future. The learning curve is obviously the biggest question mark when bringing in a rookie HC though.
You know what would make a good story? Something about a clown who makes people happy, but inside he's real sad. Also, he has severe diarrhea.
by Buster Bluth on Jan 18, 2012 8:02 AM PST up reply actions
if they have a name and they were just going through the motions
they would interview 2 or 3 possible candidates not 20
Seriously, Mike Tice?
In the character/leadership category… He scalped his Super Bowl tickets and paid a $100k fine. Then, of course his players spend their bye week re-creating the Love Boat on Lake Minnetonka. Do.Not.Want.
Really? I didn't know. Leadership / character grade just crashed on this candidate.
S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
"George Blanda ... I really believe he is the greatest clutch player in the history of this game." Al Davis
"Let no thing possess you that you do not dictate." Raymond St. Martin
by Sons-of-Blanda on Jan 18, 2012 4:58 PM PST up reply actions
I think i'm warming up to the idea of a rookie HC
Succesful rookie HCs:
John Harbaugh
Bill Cowher
Mike Tomlin
John Madden
Tom Flores
Mike Holmgren
Jon Gruden
Sean Payton
To name a few….
Carmichal Jr
intrigues me a bit He was called Maddenesque in one article I read. With the right OC /DC this could be good.I am glad we are seeing the names though.There does seem to be transparency this time.
by Canadian Raider on Jan 18, 2012 1:13 PM PST up reply actions
thats the joke of all time
Hue is out, but Panda is still employed!!!!!
I'm just wishing the Raiders pulled a Jimmy Hoffa on Bres....
On second thoughts I wouldn’t want him buried under our field lol talk about bad luck!
second bad take "Canadian Raider"
For one, you cant blame it all on hue, i think he did an outstanding job with the offence and weathered some pretty horrific storms this season that would’ve ended any of these coaches on this “short list” career in Oakland. and second this is the RAIDERS and nothing about this organization is ever transparent, I will expect a few more curve balls this off season as im sure so does the rest of the raidernation. But whatever happens in the end Reggie needs to find someone who fits not only his vision for the future but also all the talent we already have in place.
by bkraidernation on Jan 18, 2012 4:17 PM PST up reply actions
yes I can hes the coach...he WAS responsible but not anymore
You can kiss his ass all you like 8-8 is ok if thats the world you live in.Second the fact your getting the names it is showing something.Apparently you missed the press conference at which our NEW GM said this were going to change….
by Canadian Raider on Jan 18, 2012 6:51 PM PST up reply actions
How many of these coaches...
were defensive minded coaches?
Other than Cowher and Tomlin who had a defensive minded franchise and some great defensive talent over the years, none of these were.
I’ll grant you they all had/have some great defensive players on their team.
But the best head coaches are offensive minded.
Bring in a top DC but leave the HC to the offensive mind.
Everyone has a plan 'till they get punched in the mouth.
-Mike Tyson
Madden had coached LB's and defense
But, he was an offensive tackle in his playing days.
John Harbaugh was and is a defensive guy.
I was thinking about Jim who played QB.
Still the majority are offensive minded coaches.
Everyone has a plan 'till they get punched in the mouth.
-Mike Tyson
Next Week
Unless Reggie is waiting to interview someone on some on the teams still in the playoffs, I would expect to hear something next week. I am a little surprised about Tice too. The Raiders don’t need that kind of discipline. Been there, done that.
What's Interesting Is That There's Not One Interview With A "GB" Assistant???...But Than Reggie Already Knows Them!!!
I think he’s playing it smart and feeling around the league at what’s out there prior to making his move for his guy….Also he has the opportunity to see if his guy gets any other interest prior to bringing him in for the Interview…This may play a role in how much $$$$$ it costs us for these assistants…
If their not getting the other offers they will be willing to sign a little cheaper than if they think their the only show in town…Moss for instance was getting allot of notice in the past so would be a rather hot commodity….Not so now it would appear???…I haven’t seen his name linked to any other openings other than ours…
"Tebowphobe"!!!
Ah!!...So Many Tears To Cry!!...And They Said He Could Take The Punishment Better Than Any Other "QB"
Well guess they lied!!!
The Denver Broncos quarterback reportedly suffered multiple injuries after he was hit in the pocket during the third quarter of the 45-10 defeat, ESPN.com reported Wednesday.
Tebow tore cartilage along his rib and bruised a lung while suffering fluid buildup in his pleural cavity, a league source told the site.
"Tebowphobe"!!!
Stoked for the due diligence, but I'd like something to happen soon
as the Mike Nolans, clearly on our wish list for DC, are going fast. If a guy is to build his staff when he gets hired, it’d be nice for all said guy’s choices to be available still when he does.
Can’t wait to see, for I know whomever is ultimately chosen will bring back a powerful lb corps to be the cornerstone of our defense, like the great teams of Raiders past.
""The massive Raider Nation is beyond doubt the sleaziest and rudest and most sinister mob of thugs and wackos ever assembled."--Hunter S. Thompson
"In football, I root for the Oakland Raiders because they hire castoffs, outlaws, malcontents, and fuck -ups, they have lots of penalties, fights, and paybacks, and because Al Davis told the rest of the pig NFL owners to go get fucked. Someday, the Raiders will be strong again, and they will dip the ball in shit and shove it down the throats of the wholesome, white, heartland teams that pray together and don't deliver late hits." - George Carlin.
Right. That was my point
many of the guys we’ve discussed are being snatched up as we speak.
""The massive Raider Nation is beyond doubt the sleaziest and rudest and most sinister mob of thugs and wackos ever assembled."--Hunter S. Thompson
"In football, I root for the Oakland Raiders because they hire castoffs, outlaws, malcontents, and fuck -ups, they have lots of penalties, fights, and paybacks, and because Al Davis told the rest of the pig NFL owners to go get fucked. Someday, the Raiders will be strong again, and they will dip the ball in shit and shove it down the throats of the wholesome, white, heartland teams that pray together and don't deliver late hits." - George Carlin.
I think Reggie is looking at cordinators with all the interviewing he's doing...
Every man for himself...
I think Reggie is...
Hell I dont know what he is doing anymore. None of us do lol. Enjoy the ride fellas and lets hope it works out for the best
I should hope he has better things to do then mess with fans
I certainly hope that a lot of these interviews are the gauge the market for coordinators as well as HC potential as well.
You know what would make a good story? Something about a clown who makes people happy, but inside he's real sad. Also, he has severe diarrhea.
by Buster Bluth on Jan 18, 2012 10:35 AM PST up reply actions
but if the HC can choose his staff
how will that work? unless he tells him you have to hire these people
Well I'm sure Reggie will have input into the kind of staff he envisions
Plus he can gauge if they’d be willing to accept that type of role with the Raiders at the very least.
You know what would make a good story? Something about a clown who makes people happy, but inside he's real sad. Also, he has severe diarrhea.
by Buster Bluth on Jan 18, 2012 10:51 AM PST up reply actions
I don't like either of these guys
The Bears O-Line wasn’t that good and the Eagles offense was pretty lame considering all the talent they have.
I don’t mind him interviewing a bunch of people, but I hope he doesn’t wait too long to make his hire. We need our new head coach to have some good people to choose from for the rest of the coaching staff.
The Bears OL was pretty good
considering they were either old or projects, and Forte had a really solid year behind them. Tice is a proven OL coach, though.
Philly’s offense had two rookies starting on the OL…they went skill position player happy on offense, then promoted their OL coach to Defensive coordinator. Philly’s shittiness in 2011 had everything to do with Reid…Morhinweg would have had to have worked miracles to keep his QB upright. His use of Shady McCoy though is interesting…
we never retreat we always ATTACK!!!
by transparent58 on Jan 19, 2012 11:35 AM PST up reply actions
I'll take your word for it
I admittedly didn’t pay that much attention to either team.
Even as it stands, our OL situation is much better than either coach saw in Chicago
and Philly.
I’m not saying I would really like either coach being our Head Coach, but I kinda figured we’d hear some recycled Holmgren guys’ names come up, too.
we never retreat we always ATTACK!!!
by transparent58 on Jan 19, 2012 12:07 PM PST up reply actions
I also don't think it will be anyone off the Packers' staff
since I think part of getting McKenzie released early from GB to Oakland was an agreement to leave their coaching staff alone…
we never retreat we always ATTACK!!!
by transparent58 on Jan 19, 2012 12:08 PM PST up reply actions
Well if he's adopting the Green Bay philosophy
Then he will want the input from the HC but ultimately I believe he will make the choice based on “his gut” as he alluded to in his press conference.
You know what would make a good story? Something about a clown who makes people happy, but inside he's real sad. Also, he has severe diarrhea.
by Buster Bluth on Jan 18, 2012 10:33 AM PST up reply actions
I disagree
I think he’s wanting to find the Mike Holmgren to his Ron Wolf. He wants a partnership where THEY draft players to fit agreed upon needs or schematic upgrades.
we never retreat we always ATTACK!!!
by transparent58 on Jan 19, 2012 11:37 AM PST up reply actions
Could be
We really don’t know what McKenzie’s approach will be when it comes to personnel moves.
You know what would make a good story? Something about a clown who makes people happy, but inside he's real sad. Also, he has severe diarrhea.
by Buster Bluth on Jan 19, 2012 11:52 AM PST up reply actions
I think if you look at the three GMs he worked with in GB
you get a pretty good idea…Wolf and Thompson, especially…
we never retreat we always ATTACK!!!
by transparent58 on Jan 19, 2012 12:05 PM PST up reply actions
Coach do you want the ball or the wind?
Mornhinweg; ??? We’ll take the wind! :)
Every man for himself...
Uhhh...
No, and no. Thank you…
...Watching DeMarcus Cousins’ transformation from large human to immortal kill beast...
McCoy and Bowles are set to have a second interview with Miami and are believed to be finalists
Curious to see if this might make McKenzie push for one these guys.
You know what would make a good story? Something about a clown who makes people happy, but inside he's real sad. Also, he has severe diarrhea.
we already missed 2 good dc's ~mike nolan and spaqs, what are we waiting for?
by sports with steve on Jan 18, 2012 10:44 AM PST reply actions
I'm guessing
A Head Coach…?
...Watching DeMarcus Cousins’ transformation from large human to immortal kill beast...
Nobody, yet.
Torty Craig, we hardly knew ye.
by KlausChadman on Jan 18, 2012 3:44 PM PST up reply actions
Im sure Reggie has made up his mind already
and its someone from the GB staff. Probably to pacify anyone who would criticize him for not looking at all options when in fact his mind was already made up when he became GM.
I don't think we find out for sure until after the Super Bowl
Gilbride and Fewell along with Chuck Pagano should be on our list…maybe Fangio from across the bay, too.
I can also see Marc Trestman’s name surfacing in the coming weeks…
we never retreat we always ATTACK!!!
by transparent58 on Jan 19, 2012 11:41 AM PST up reply actions
hes gonna....
HIRE BRESNAHAN!!!!! HA!
"I'm not saying I'm gonna change the world, but I guarantee that I will spark the brain that will change the world." - Tupac Amaru Shakur
"The greatest hypnotist on the planet Earth is an oblong box in the corner in the room. It is constantly telling us what to believe is real. If you can persuade people that what they see with their eyes is what there is to see you've got them. Because they'll laugh in your face of an explanation then which portrays the big picture of what's happenin'
... and they have."
"Lots of people in America know that the system is fucked up. All of them know it. I think everybody in this country knows the government’s corrupt. They’re conscious of it, but they’re not gonna do a fucking thing about it. There are people that will, and me, I consider those people revolutionary"- Immortal Technique
by RaiderKilluminati on Jan 18, 2012 11:23 AM PST via mobile reply actions
I'm more concerned with who our secondary position players will be?????
After Branch, I think all else is up in the air?
Routt (Can we trade him for a 3rd round pick and free ourselves of his salary)
Huff (not worth 8 million)
Mitchell (can’t cover on passing plays and lacks ball hawk skills)
Giordano (Good backup FS, not upper tier starter in NFL)
DvD (Is he the next Walter McFadden??))
Chekwa (A good bet he starts next year or is definitely our 3rd CB/ Nickel package)
Eugene (Cheap Mike Huff, can’t cover?)
Boyd (undecided/ raw/ needs work?)
Every man for himself...
This is just my opinion of what I saw this past season. FEEL FREE TO AGREE OR DISAGREE!!!
Every man for himself...
Agree on Routt, Huff, Mitchell, Giordano and Chekwa
DVD has the speed to cover and is usually in good position with his coverage.He just needs to have that feel for when the balls coming. He never turns toward the ball to defend it. Hopefully that can be taught. Eugene is a good ST guy and back up and Boyd is crap, he’s been around this team for awhile, mostly on the practice squad and only got to see the field this year due to extraordinary injuries at the DB position. Cut him
"Now I know what your thinking, did he fire six shots or only five. Ive forgotten myself in all this excitement, but being that this is the 44 magnum, the most powerful handgun in the world and could blow your head clean off, you have to ask your question. Do I feel lucky? Well do ya punk!"
Dirty Harry Callahan
I agree about DVD
I think he will turn out to be a solid corner over time but he is still a little raw right now and needs to work on the signs of when the ball is coming his way. He is similar to Routt when he first started out and hopefully all the teachings Asomugha gave to Routt can be passed onto DVD. Routt is a solid corner and I don’t think trading him is a good idea. I know he commits a lot of penalties but his burn rate is above average and he had 4 picks this season as well.
I’d like to see Chekwa play some FS next training camp and see if he fits there a bit better if Huff is indeed going to be moved to CB.
You know what would make a good story? Something about a clown who makes people happy, but inside he's real sad. Also, he has severe diarrhea.
by Buster Bluth on Jan 18, 2012 12:07 PM PST up reply actions
routt is our best corner
letting him walk for a 3rd round pick is silly. He is a solid #1 corner he just needs help on the other side (Cortland Finnegan has to be who they target)
Got his butt beaten by Andre
No, & aicheedoublehockeysticks no!
Routt is not commited to the team
the guy actively shies away from tackles and could care less about getting penalties.
He is grossly over paid!
We’d of got more for our money if we’d paid Nnamdi the $15 mil a year rather than waste $10 a year on Routt…and just because Routt is our best corner does not mean he’s a solid number 1 corner.
"Now I know what your thinking, did he fire six shots or only five. Ive forgotten myself in all this excitement, but being that this is the 44 magnum, the most powerful handgun in the world and could blow your head clean off, you have to ask your question. Do I feel lucky? Well do ya punk!"
Dirty Harry Callahan
While I think Routt is our best CB...he is definitely overpaid
It’ll be interesting to see what Reggie does to address the cap issues we have from over paying for a handful of guys on our roster.
You know what would make a good story? Something about a clown who makes people happy, but inside he's real sad. Also, he has severe diarrhea.
by Buster Bluth on Jan 18, 2012 12:08 PM PST up reply actions
His contract makes him expendable because it's all about cap space!!!
I also bet we cut Boss, Seymour, and restructure Wimbely’s contract going forward.
Hue Jackson
by Hue Jackson (StL OC) on Jan 18, 2012 12:08 PM PST up reply actions
ha!
Cmon hue! And who will replace boss? Myers? Ausberry? Ausberry would be good but he’s always inactive and not much has been seen from him. Myers is hot and cold at times. Seymour won’t be cut.
"I'm not saying I'm gonna change the world, but I guarantee that I will spark the brain that will change the world." - Tupac Amaru Shakur
"The greatest hypnotist on the planet Earth is an oblong box in the corner in the room. It is constantly telling us what to believe is real. If you can persuade people that what they see with their eyes is what there is to see you've got them. Because they'll laugh in your face of an explanation then which portrays the big picture of what's happenin'
... and they have."
"Lots of people in America know that the system is fucked up. All of them know it. I think everybody in this country knows the government’s corrupt. They’re conscious of it, but they’re not gonna do a fucking thing about it. There are people that will, and me, I consider those people revolutionary"- Immortal Technique
by RaiderKilluminati on Jan 18, 2012 12:16 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
He didn’t like TEs period haha
"I'm not saying I'm gonna change the world, but I guarantee that I will spark the brain that will change the world." - Tupac Amaru Shakur
"The greatest hypnotist on the planet Earth is an oblong box in the corner in the room. It is constantly telling us what to believe is real. If you can persuade people that what they see with their eyes is what there is to see you've got them. Because they'll laugh in your face of an explanation then which portrays the big picture of what's happenin'
... and they have."
"Lots of people in America know that the system is fucked up. All of them know it. I think everybody in this country knows the government’s corrupt. They’re conscious of it, but they’re not gonna do a fucking thing about it. There are people that will, and me, I consider those people revolutionary"- Immortal Technique
by RaiderKilluminati on Jan 18, 2012 12:23 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
He didn't like TEs!?
Then why did he have FOUR (4) on the roster at the same time??
Torty Craig, we hardly knew ye.
by KlausChadman on Jan 18, 2012 3:47 PM PST up reply actions
child please!
i meant the offense they ran hardly incorporated TEs in the passing game unless it ws blocking. i was talkin bout stats and catching the ball!!! Boss didnt put up zach miller numbers when he was here. gordon, boss, myers and ausberry. only two of those actually played and caught balls. ausberry caught like 2 and gordon was a blocking TE. THE TE nowadays look like graham or vernon davis. THEY CATCH. It was the offense that he and al saunders ran. Didnt really get boss involved a lot. that is what i meant mayne.
"I'm not saying I'm gonna change the world, but I guarantee that I will spark the brain that will change the world." - Tupac Amaru Shakur
"The greatest hypnotist on the planet Earth is an oblong box in the corner in the room. It is constantly telling us what to believe is real. If you can persuade people that what they see with their eyes is what there is to see you've got them. Because they'll laugh in your face of an explanation then which portrays the big picture of what's happenin'
... and they have."
"Lots of people in America know that the system is fucked up. All of them know it. I think everybody in this country knows the government’s corrupt. They’re conscious of it, but they’re not gonna do a fucking thing about it. There are people that will, and me, I consider those people revolutionary"- Immortal Technique
by RaiderKilluminati on Jan 18, 2012 5:30 PM PST up reply actions
That may have to do with Carson taking over for JC
JC is a TE lover and since he loves to check down he uses them all the time. Carson seems to prefer to throw to his first read, his wideouts so that might account for the difference
"Now I know what your thinking, did he fire six shots or only five. Ive forgotten myself in all this excitement, but being that this is the 44 magnum, the most powerful handgun in the world and could blow your head clean off, you have to ask your question. Do I feel lucky? Well do ya punk!"
Dirty Harry Callahan
That's not really the point
The point is that JC would check down almost immediately if the play wasn’t there and Carson seems to force that ball in there whether the 1st read guy is open or not (something he definitely needs to work on) and rarely checks down to anyone TE or not.
Carson could use a little JC-like thinking when his main receiver is double or triple covered and check it down….it’s better than a pick!
"Now I know what your thinking, did he fire six shots or only five. Ive forgotten myself in all this excitement, but being that this is the 44 magnum, the most powerful handgun in the world and could blow your head clean off, you have to ask your question. Do I feel lucky? Well do ya punk!"
Dirty Harry Callahan
Not if ur hue!! Haha
"I'm not saying I'm gonna change the world, but I guarantee that I will spark the brain that will change the world." - Tupac Amaru Shakur
"The greatest hypnotist on the planet Earth is an oblong box in the corner in the room. It is constantly telling us what to believe is real. If you can persuade people that what they see with their eyes is what there is to see you've got them. Because they'll laugh in your face of an explanation then which portrays the big picture of what's happenin'
... and they have."
"Lots of people in America know that the system is fucked up. All of them know it. I think everybody in this country knows the government’s corrupt. They’re conscious of it, but they’re not gonna do a fucking thing about it. There are people that will, and me, I consider those people revolutionary"- Immortal Technique
by RaiderKilluminati on Jan 18, 2012 1:18 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
I would restructure some of these BIG contracts...
Like Seymour, Routt, PALMER!, Kelly, Mc Fadden, Lechler, then also McClain(bonus), Henderson, & Eugene.
http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/team/oakland-raiders/salary/67050?q=oakland-raiders
We are the highest salaried team in the league and did not even make the playoffs!
1 Richard Seymour $15,000,000
2 Carson Palmer $11,500,000
3 Stanford Routt $10,000,000
4 Darren McFadden $7,055,000
5 Tommy Kelly $5,500,000
6 Jason Campbell $4,500,000
7 Aaron Curry $3,725,000
8 Shane Lechler $3,200,000
9 Michael Bush $2,610,000
10 Sebastian Janikowski $2,600,000
11 Cooper Carlisle $2,500,000
12 John Henderson $2,500,000
13 Stephon Heyer $1,700,000
14 Kyle Boller $1,250,000
15 Jarvis Moss $1,250,000
16 Darrius Heyward-Bey $1,000,000
17 T.J. Houshmandzadeh $910,000
18 Rock Cartwright $800,000
19 Tyvon Branch $555,000
20 Quentin Groves $555,000
21 Chaz Schilens $555,000
22 Trevor Scott $555,000
23 Nick Miller $480,000
24 Mike Mitchell $480,000
25 Louis Murphy $480,000
26 Brandon Myers $480,000
27 Matt Shaughnessy $480,000
28 Bruce Campbell $405,000
29 Jacoby Ford $405,000
30 Lamarr Houston $405,000
31 Rolando McClain$405,000
32 Jared Veldheer $405,000
33 Denarius Moore $375,000
34 Jerome Boyd $330,000
Everyone has a plan 'till they get punched in the mouth.
-Mike Tyson
JC is gone. Cooper is gone. Hendo had a 1yr deal.
Palmer will restructure, seems like a guy that knows whatsup and wants to win.
The RaiderLaker
I dont think they let bush leave after this season
he proved how valuable he is and I think he sees a lot of playing time in his future if he were to stay here anyway. The NFL has become a two back league and Bush + McFadden is a really good tandem.
They may have an option to pick up a 2nd year with Hendo
but more than likely will not.
Here's your cap hits for the 2012 season
They somehow omitted Boss from the list but pretty sure his hit is $4,000,000. Branch and Bush are not on it because they are free agents.
1) Richard Seymour $15,000,000
2) Carson Palmer $12,500,000
3) Kamerion Wimbley $11,000,000
4) Tommy Kelly $8,892,856
5) Darren McFadden $6,716,667
6) Stanford Routt $6,716,667
7) Michael Huff $5,828,750
8) Aaron Curry $5,700,000
9) Shane Lechler $5,650,000
10) Rolando McClain $5,570,000
11) John Henderson $4,750,000
12) Hiram Eugene $2,500,000
13) Darius Heyward-Bey $2,105,000
14) Sebastian Janikowski $1,700,000
15) Lamarr Houston $1,116,250
16) Mike Mitchell $965,000
17) Matt Shaughnessy $778,062
18) Jared Veldheer $713,750
19) Louis Murphy $677,000
20) Bruce Campbell $620,500
21) Jacoby Ford $617,500
22) DeMarcus Van Dyke $612,750
23) Terrelle Pryor $612,750
24) Joe Barksdale $599,950
25) Brandon Meyers $587,500
26) Chimdi Chekwa $575,000
27) Taiwan Jones $566,250
28) Travis Goethel $515,750
29) Denarius Moore $512,625
30) David Ausberry $476,475
Oh... shit... Woah, whatsup with Kam and Kelly... fuck man.... I don't know who got those deals done but screw them.
and Routt….
Seymour too… He needs to make 5 mill a year.
Hendo should be gone 4.5 mill is too much, Eugene too….
CP can restructure at least his deal wasn’t done by us…. imagine if it was done by us Pre McKenzie era we would see 16 mill a year for Palmer.
The RaiderLaker
The defense is getting paid way too much in general
Kam’s contract is new and he already restructured in training camp. Huff’s contract is brand new also. Reggie’s got his work cut out for him.
this one for sure
2 Carson Palmer $11,500,000
or trade the bust to the Rams for Sam Bradford. Pryor is going to play next year that is fact!
The Only "Fact" Is Your Overall Lack Of Intelligence...Bet That Went Over Your head!!!
"Tebowphobe"!!!
by PantyRaider on Jan 19, 2012 7:42 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
the fact a dumb azz like you
wanted to keep hue jackson as coach!
Hahahaha
hahahahahaha…ha!
"Now I know what your thinking, did he fire six shots or only five. Ive forgotten myself in all this excitement, but being that this is the 44 magnum, the most powerful handgun in the world and could blow your head clean off, you have to ask your question. Do I feel lucky? Well do ya punk!"
Dirty Harry Callahan
Rout is our biggest shame. He has never played. He had ONE good year, opposite Nnamdi. Sh*t, I could have a good year opposite Nnamdi.
by gerrypugliese on Jan 19, 2012 11:20 AM PST up reply actions
If Your Going To Pretend To Be Hue At least Do Your Research Instead Of Looking Stupid!!
Hue didn’t even push Seymour to practice so he could same him for the games…Obviously was in love with the guy…
Boss was under utilized now why the hell was that Huey?…You forgot to throw to your "TE"s?…Wouldn’t that have been a much better option on 3rd and late instead of going for the deep shit even if it was there?…At one point Boss was leading all "TE"s in yds per catch but than you let him rot away with little to no production….Why?…You didn’t do that to Zack nor did you do it to Boss early on…
Than there’s David Ausberry…Now why the hell did it take you so damn long to get him in the game especially considering all the injuries we had at “WR”…Wouldn’t it have been smart to go to the "TE"s more during that span instead of just letting your “O” sleepwalk?
The same can be asked about “TJ”….You didn’t do squat with him this season…Now why the hell was that???…With the other injuries he was primed for a bigger role….
I liked you but you definitely made some really stupid blunders so it definitely wasn’t all on that “D” and “SuckChuck”!!!
"Tebowphobe"!!!
by PantyRaider on Jan 18, 2012 12:49 PM PST up reply actions
is that what you would do Hue?
my my but you are full of good advice about the Defense you did not fix now . Lemmme as you Hue would you come back as the OC and only the OC?
by Canadian Raider on Jan 18, 2012 1:16 PM PST up reply actions
You may actually be dumber than
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by Ozraider on Jan 18, 2012 11:55 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
You may actually be dumber than the real Hue
The operative word being ‘May’
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by Ozraider on Jan 18, 2012 11:56 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
yea well I will consider where it comes from
speaking of dumb you may actually only have to post your shit once …operative word being dumber
by Canadian Raider on Jan 19, 2012 3:00 AM PST up reply actions
it was a device fail
you’re starting on the wrong hombre dude.
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The guy is a hot head who would probably go personal foul crazy on the Raiders.
He’s always come off as more of a ME player than a TEAM player. I could be wrong, though.
This will change with Reggie at the helm.
Those players who are out of control will pay the price or be gone.
You watch. We will decrease on the # of penalties next year,
I gare-own-tee!
Everyone has a plan 'till they get punched in the mouth.
-Mike Tyson
I don't want Finnegan.
He’s beat up and kinda over-rated.
Torty Craig, we hardly knew ye.
by KlausChadman on Jan 18, 2012 3:45 PM PST up reply actions
completely agree on
Chekwa, I think he is going to be someone special in this league;
Giordano, good bawl hawking skills, solid back up, and great for dime packages;
Routt & Huff must be traded why they still have some value, although their contracts just might prevent that from happening.
We must resign Tyvon.
You want to dump routt and why?
When a group is lackluster, the recipe for improvement doesn’t generally involve getting rid of it’s unquestionable strongest link
by lchristmas on Jan 18, 2012 8:47 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
I hate to break the news but
Routt and Huff are untradeable at this point. We are going to have to stick it out with them.
You mean a free safety right?
Huff is too slight of build to be a SS
"Now I know what your thinking, did he fire six shots or only five. Ive forgotten myself in all this excitement, but being that this is the 44 magnum, the most powerful handgun in the world and could blow your head clean off, you have to ask your question. Do I feel lucky? Well do ya punk!"
Dirty Harry Callahan
That Was Hue's "Musical Chairs" Early On When He 1st Got All That Power...
Acting like some dumb bitch that couldn’t make up her freakin mind and it cost us in the end…It also cost us because no one knew who was where and the instability was horrendous…
But than again how much of that was “SuckChuck” yanking on the “Hue Chain” crying “Get me this no get me that no I don’t want that no more just get me that back”….LoL!!!
Lito Sheppard should have been kept right from the start…NO Brainier there!!!
Sterling Moore should never have been let go once the injuries came and he was on the active roster….Pure out and out stupidity!!!
Also Giordano was let go and brought back which was another “Dummy-vs-Dummy” move!!!
"Tebowphobe"!!!
That was one of the problems with Hue as a HC, he focused too much on the offense
We had what like 4 TEs? 2 fullbacks and not enough depth on the secondary and D-line
that be hues call
Coaches and players thought he was a “dark horse” for the fiddy-tree man roster. I did as well. From what I saw he was the best cb in camp and maybe the preseason. Bilicheat got us again!!
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"The greatest hypnotist on the planet Earth is an oblong box in the corner in the room. It is constantly telling us what to believe is real. If you can persuade people that what they see with their eyes is what there is to see you've got them. Because they'll laugh in your face of an explanation then which portrays the big picture of what's happenin'
... and they have."
"Lots of people in America know that the system is fucked up. All of them know it. I think everybody in this country knows the government’s corrupt. They’re conscious of it, but they’re not gonna do a fucking thing about it. There are people that will, and me, I consider those people revolutionary"- Immortal Technique
by RaiderKilluminati on Jan 18, 2012 1:17 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
I doubt it unless he’s really not as good as he was that game. Wouldn’t mind him comin back though.
"I'm not saying I'm gonna change the world, but I guarantee that I will spark the brain that will change the world." - Tupac Amaru Shakur
"The greatest hypnotist on the planet Earth is an oblong box in the corner in the room. It is constantly telling us what to believe is real. If you can persuade people that what they see with their eyes is what there is to see you've got them. Because they'll laugh in your face of an explanation then which portrays the big picture of what's happenin'
... and they have."
"Lots of people in America know that the system is fucked up. All of them know it. I think everybody in this country knows the government’s corrupt. They’re conscious of it, but they’re not gonna do a fucking thing about it. There are people that will, and me, I consider those people revolutionary"- Immortal Technique
by RaiderKilluminati on Jan 18, 2012 1:46 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
I think some have some talent we have yet to truly see, and some probably justifiably need to go
but I think we’ll all be surprised how well some of these guys can play, and that some even do have some great ball instincts but we’ve been unable to get them to become a unit and to get them to make plays or even face the qb most of the time or look for balls, when we get them to play as a unit and start using some more modern schemes that don’t require phenoms at every position.
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"In football, I root for the Oakland Raiders because they hire castoffs, outlaws, malcontents, and fuck -ups, they have lots of penalties, fights, and paybacks, and because Al Davis told the rest of the pig NFL owners to go get fucked. Someday, the Raiders will be strong again, and they will dip the ball in shit and shove it down the throats of the wholesome, white, heartland teams that pray together and don't deliver late hits." - George Carlin.
Mitchell was actually excellent covering tight ends
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"was" being the key word
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Yes
He ‘was’ good at covering TE’s all last season.
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by Ozraider on Jan 18, 2012 11:57 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Not sure what happen to Mitchell
Was it the Panda?, his injury? or does he just suck? All of those? two of those? Who knows?
He’s another one that will need evaluation as whether to keep him or cut his ass, because this year he was hideous!
"Now I know what your thinking, did he fire six shots or only five. Ive forgotten myself in all this excitement, but being that this is the 44 magnum, the most powerful handgun in the world and could blow your head clean off, you have to ask your question. Do I feel lucky? Well do ya punk!"
Dirty Harry Callahan
We're probably stuck with Routt and Huff
unless we cut them and take the cap hit. No one will take on their salaries. They’re both decent players but we’re paying them too much.
Mitchell isn’t costing us much, and he’s more suited to a hybrid LB/SS role. I did see him improve as the season went on in his coverage, but we all should have known he was going to be a project.
Giordano is an end of the roster-type. We should have cut him and kept Sterling Moore around.
DVD needs to bulk up, but has the raw skills to develop into something special. Even on the plays where he was beat, it was usually by great throws.
Chekwa showed some promise against the Jets, and he’s pretty cheap for us right now.
Eugene is a S/T ace and an upgrade over Giordan as a backup at safety.
Boyd had no business being on the active roster unless it was for S/Ts. He’s a good athlete trying to play a position he’s never played. He’s basically a less skilled Mike Mitchell. He’s cheap, though, and he can make plays on S/Ts.
Branch is a Free Agent so we have to decide whether we sign him long term and Franchise Bush or vice versa.
Our problem in the secondary was depth. We had a load of injuries there, which exposed the lack of depth, but we were relying on two guys we cut after training camp as starters in Sheppard and Giordano as starters in week 17. I think we’re stuck with Routt and Huff, and I think both can earn their salaries if they’re deployed correctly…I don’t want to see Branch leave, but he’s still got some areas he needs to work on. DVD and Chekwa both had their moments as rookies, but it’s going to depend a lot on who the new DC is and how he wants to use his players.
we never retreat we always ATTACK!!!
by transparent58 on Jan 19, 2012 11:53 AM PST up reply actions
I agree on all your points....
Except on Giordano, he may not be a great player but he’s pretty good, I wouldn’t mind having him around….he puts himself in position to make plays (5 ints), very instinctive, and from what i’ve read he’s always studying tape…we could definitely use a guy like that…and he has Raider speed….
Disagree on routt. He’s the best corner on the raiders by a good margin. Sure his contract is a problem but losinh him won’t help the secondary. Remember nnamdi?? Tyvon HAS TO BE BACK! Sure he isn’t “great” yet but he’s solid. Huff isn’t worth his contract but he does help when healthy. We need a legit 2nd corner unless dvd steps up. Cortland is ok but obnoxious. Id go after grimes or maybe lure rogers from sf. Laron landry will be available at safety.
"I'm not saying I'm gonna change the world, but I guarantee that I will spark the brain that will change the world." - Tupac Amaru Shakur
"The greatest hypnotist on the planet Earth is an oblong box in the corner in the room. It is constantly telling us what to believe is real. If you can persuade people that what they see with their eyes is what there is to see you've got them. Because they'll laugh in your face of an explanation then which portrays the big picture of what's happenin'
... and they have."
"Lots of people in America know that the system is fucked up. All of them know it. I think everybody in this country knows the government’s corrupt. They’re conscious of it, but they’re not gonna do a fucking thing about it. There are people that will, and me, I consider those people revolutionary"- Immortal Technique
by RaiderKilluminati on Jan 18, 2012 12:14 PM PST via mobile reply actions
18 million of the roster on Routt, Huff
I’d rather they earned 5 million each… But I’m just a fan.
Every man for himself...
I'm not saying to get rid of Routt but not worth 10 million a season so something has to be done
Every man for himself...
i agree with u when it comes to money
But if he gets dumped what happens? To me the fa cbs are not all legit #1 corners. Grimes is the closest but he has dealt with injuries I believe.
"I'm not saying I'm gonna change the world, but I guarantee that I will spark the brain that will change the world." - Tupac Amaru Shakur
"The greatest hypnotist on the planet Earth is an oblong box in the corner in the room. It is constantly telling us what to believe is real. If you can persuade people that what they see with their eyes is what there is to see you've got them. Because they'll laugh in your face of an explanation then which portrays the big picture of what's happenin'
... and they have."
"Lots of people in America know that the system is fucked up. All of them know it. I think everybody in this country knows the government’s corrupt. They’re conscious of it, but they’re not gonna do a fucking thing about it. There are people that will, and me, I consider those people revolutionary"- Immortal Technique
by RaiderKilluminati on Jan 18, 2012 12:22 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
they should trade huff for one of phillys cbs
samuel or rodgers-cromartie (i prefer the latter) and pick up landry to replace huff in FA
Drc is inconsistent and overrated. Samuel be old. Id stick with huff or see if there are better options when it comes to trading. Landry would be a good pick up
"I'm not saying I'm gonna change the world, but I guarantee that I will spark the brain that will change the world." - Tupac Amaru Shakur
"The greatest hypnotist on the planet Earth is an oblong box in the corner in the room. It is constantly telling us what to believe is real. If you can persuade people that what they see with their eyes is what there is to see you've got them. Because they'll laugh in your face of an explanation then which portrays the big picture of what's happenin'
... and they have."
"Lots of people in America know that the system is fucked up. All of them know it. I think everybody in this country knows the government’s corrupt. They’re conscious of it, but they’re not gonna do a fucking thing about it. There are people that will, and me, I consider those people revolutionary"- Immortal Technique
by RaiderKilluminati on Jan 18, 2012 12:42 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
yesssum!!
Typo my mistake!
"I'm not saying I'm gonna change the world, but I guarantee that I will spark the brain that will change the world." - Tupac Amaru Shakur
"The greatest hypnotist on the planet Earth is an oblong box in the corner in the room. It is constantly telling us what to believe is real. If you can persuade people that what they see with their eyes is what there is to see you've got them. Because they'll laugh in your face of an explanation then which portrays the big picture of what's happenin'
... and they have."
"Lots of people in America know that the system is fucked up. All of them know it. I think everybody in this country knows the government’s corrupt. They’re conscious of it, but they’re not gonna do a fucking thing about it. There are people that will, and me, I consider those people revolutionary"- Immortal Technique
by RaiderKilluminati on Jan 18, 2012 1:11 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
One of my favorite safeties in the game I always trade for him in my Madden franchises lol
He looks good wearing Silver and Black
He isn’t afraid to tackle like some of the DBs. I keep huff at safety then draft one when I play franchise haha
"I'm not saying I'm gonna change the world, but I guarantee that I will spark the brain that will change the world." - Tupac Amaru Shakur
"The greatest hypnotist on the planet Earth is an oblong box in the corner in the room. It is constantly telling us what to believe is real. If you can persuade people that what they see with their eyes is what there is to see you've got them. Because they'll laugh in your face of an explanation then which portrays the big picture of what's happenin'
... and they have."
"Lots of people in America know that the system is fucked up. All of them know it. I think everybody in this country knows the government’s corrupt. They’re conscious of it, but they’re not gonna do a fucking thing about it. There are people that will, and me, I consider those people revolutionary"- Immortal Technique
by RaiderKilluminati on Jan 18, 2012 2:35 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Reggie needs to sign him. He and tyvon would give us a pair of the most physical safeties in the league. Add some mm34 and the safety position isn’t so soft.
"I'm not saying I'm gonna change the world, but I guarantee that I will spark the brain that will change the world." - Tupac Amaru Shakur
"The greatest hypnotist on the planet Earth is an oblong box in the corner in the room. It is constantly telling us what to believe is real. If you can persuade people that what they see with their eyes is what there is to see you've got them. Because they'll laugh in your face of an explanation then which portrays the big picture of what's happenin'
... and they have."
"Lots of people in America know that the system is fucked up. All of them know it. I think everybody in this country knows the government’s corrupt. They’re conscious of it, but they’re not gonna do a fucking thing about it. There are people that will, and me, I consider those people revolutionary"- Immortal Technique
by RaiderKilluminati on Jan 18, 2012 2:48 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
I wonder if Reggie still thinks chekwa can convert to safety. We’d be set at safety if he can transition and play well barring injuries again.
"I'm not saying I'm gonna change the world, but I guarantee that I will spark the brain that will change the world." - Tupac Amaru Shakur
"The greatest hypnotist on the planet Earth is an oblong box in the corner in the room. It is constantly telling us what to believe is real. If you can persuade people that what they see with their eyes is what there is to see you've got them. Because they'll laugh in your face of an explanation then which portrays the big picture of what's happenin'
... and they have."
"Lots of people in America know that the system is fucked up. All of them know it. I think everybody in this country knows the government’s corrupt. They’re conscious of it, but they’re not gonna do a fucking thing about it. There are people that will, and me, I consider those people revolutionary"- Immortal Technique
by RaiderKilluminati on Jan 18, 2012 2:57 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
For some reason I didn't pay much attention to Chekwa last season
But i have high hopes for him and DVD, especially DVD
Chekwas moment was vs the jets. He was solid even though Plaxico got a td on him. He is more polished than DVD. If DVD was as ready as chekwa then he’d be the 2nd corner for sure I believe.
"I'm not saying I'm gonna change the world, but I guarantee that I will spark the brain that will change the world." - Tupac Amaru Shakur
"The greatest hypnotist on the planet Earth is an oblong box in the corner in the room. It is constantly telling us what to believe is real. If you can persuade people that what they see with their eyes is what there is to see you've got them. Because they'll laugh in your face of an explanation then which portrays the big picture of what's happenin'
... and they have."
"Lots of people in America know that the system is fucked up. All of them know it. I think everybody in this country knows the government’s corrupt. They’re conscious of it, but they’re not gonna do a fucking thing about it. There are people that will, and me, I consider those people revolutionary"- Immortal Technique
by RaiderKilluminati on Jan 18, 2012 3:07 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
There's no way they let Branch walk away, he's one of the bright spots on D
I too hope that DVD steps up his game and wins the #2 corner job….he has all the skills just needs more time to develop
If we sign LaRon Landry (another guy who was born to be a Raider) i’m throwing a kick ass party and everyone’s invited!
Cool, what can I bring?
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Dirty Harry Callahan
This Was Totally Kool So I'm Posting It As I Found It:
…quote…
Over the past few years, a number of NFL teams and independent researchers have been working hard to devise a quantifiable method for finding a great coach. In analyzing more than 100 bench bosses, they have considered the presence of every imaginable factor, from Super Bowl victories to experience as a pro player to coaching trees to race.
But in the end, the majority of the most successful NFL headmen — past and present — have possessed at least one of the following four characteristics:
1. They were between ages 41 and 49.
2. They had at least 11 years of NFL coaching experience.
3. They were assistants on teams that won at least 50 games over a five-year span.
4. They had only one previous NFL head-coaching gig.
Accordingly, I applied those conclusions to this year’s assistants and most-discussed candidates, looking for guys who met all four of the criteria. My research led to a man who’s not on any owner’s radar: Marty Mornhinweg.
This seems absurd, right? Marty Mornhinweg? Really? 5-27 with the Lions? Well… what did you think when the Pats hired Belichick back when? What do you think now?
http://tinyurl.com/895qrav
…end quote…
The study was done in Jan 2010…
BTW.. Moss hits 3 of 4 requirements.
"Tebowphobe"!!!
Interesting concept ...
After “Money Ball”, it makes perfect sense for NFL teams to develop a model of a “successful” coach. Every other aspect of business (and NFL is BIG BUSINESS) demands numbers, so I do not doubt that coaches would also be evaluated as such. As much as I have always focused upon personalities, strategies, “winner” mentality, track record, etc. — how do such things get quantified?
January 2010 is when the article was posted, the data presumably a bit before that — there are probably statisticians crunching numbers in ways far beyond those four characteristics, but I find the whole concept fascinating. Thanks for the reference!
I mAlso Love The Number Crunching Coming From An Engineering Sciences Background...
I of course have a totally different approach in Statistics so it’s always interesting to see a new idea…I have to really question how some of this applies but it’s based upon the reality so very hard to dispute…
The age 41-49 was funny to me sense we are always looking for that young up and coming talent….Than by age 39 their off to “TB” and win the “SB” before age 40!!!!
"Tebowphobe"!!!
by PantyRaider on Jan 18, 2012 10:58 PM PST up reply actions
"After Caldwell firing, what's next for Indianapolis?"...This Is All About Payton Leaving...
But this is what I found most interesting in reading it:
The guy I go out and get is Rob Chudzinski. He turned Derek Anderson into a Pro Bowler in Cleveland and helped make Cam Newton into a superstar in his rookie season. There’s no one with a better resume that’s available for Indianapolis. I go get him now before someone else snaps him up. I believe you have to keep getting your franchise QB help in the draft with weapons, but you have to also get him the coaching help to succeed as well.
Interesting…Is he even on our radar yet???…Could really help with Pryor too!!
"Tebowphobe"!!!
Brought up Chud last week, especially because of Pryor...
we never retreat we always ATTACK!!!
by transparent58 on Jan 19, 2012 11:55 AM PST up reply actions
"Oakland's trade for Palmer was bad then, worse now"....Oz Will Love This One!!!
They really pick on Hue here…Palmer as well as they blame the losing on him instead of that “D” that took a crap all over the field…
But personally I’m still damn glad we got’s Palmer to go to this new season and damn glad that Reggie and Marc have already signed off on him as the starter going forward…
"Tebowphobe"!!!
Just to be clear I am not rooting for Carson to fail
I want Carson to succeed as long as he is with the Raiders but the fact if the matter is that I saw the trade would fail for 2011 as soon as it was made and it annoys me that people seem to speak of Carson as a Tom Brady like QB when he isn’t and has never been.
I was told when the trade was made ‘we are superbowl contenders’ and he would just need a ‘few weeks’ to get settled in and as the time went on and it was clear he wasn’t coming along it turned in to ‘he needs a full offseason’. The reality is it was a horrible trade then and is a horrible trade now, that doesn’t mean he is not a halfway decent QB but it was a horrible trade that has set the franchise back and Hue Jackson whether he gave the final OK or not was certainly the chief architect.
I am not fighting against Carson personally I am fighting against the ridiculous rhetoric that gets vomited around here by people about Carson ‘Brady’ Palmer and Hubris’s ‘greatest trade in football’
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I would have made the Orton deal
If not or rode it out with Boller. Yes Boller had a horrible start but so did Palmer and he would have settled down and there is no reason to give up those picks in a situation where we were not Carson Palmer away from winning a Superbowl.
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Thank you
We could have got Patrick Willis for a First and Second. He would have helped the Team more than the Palmer Trade.
No
No way in hell do the Niners give up Patrick Willis this year or next. Tone down the LB to maybe a second tier type dude, pro bowler but not all pro. Then again, based on Oz’s argument above why waste the pick on anyone if Boller stayed the QB. We were far more than QB and linebacker from even playoffs. Nope, I’ve come to the conclusion that we sucked last year. Our D was terrible, our O was brittle, and our management was in shambles. But our fans were awesome :)
by lakers007raiders on Jan 18, 2012 7:42 PM PST up reply actions
Well just last year the Steelers were willing to trade Big Ben for a 1st
We gave up that and more for Carson. Just cause you need a QB doesn’t mean you over pay to get anyone. With Boller we would have lost most of our game but then this off season we would have gotten rid of all the Waste and build a new team. Whats the point of spend tons of money on defense if you are going to make them earn it.
True
But when Jason went down, we went to panic mode not with the idea to give up the season. Hue either wanted to really keep his job or Mark put the pressure on to win now. Thus the loss of draft picks for a semi retired player. He did give us a shot, and although he threw picks like crazy and took a month to learn the system, in the end we were playing for the AFC West. I don’t fault the decision, because no one wanted to rebuild then. At least no one of importance (i.e, head coach, players, and Mark Davis). No one wanted to rebuild immediately, Davis wanted to win now. The trade didn’t work yet, it happens. We’ve done some crazy shit over the last 10 years (Randy Moss), I don’t blame the trade or the fallout on anything. We failed to make plays down the stretch. Now we can move on. Perhaps it happens next year or five years from now, but we are on the rebuilding path now. And again, come on man, the Steelers didn’t want to trade Big Ben because he was terrible, he was just a PR nightmare (rapist). Once cooler heads prevailed, they smartened up and realized he is their franchise better or worse. And over paying is always seen in retrospect. If Palmer got us to the Championship it would have been worth it. He didn’t, so now we are smarting from it. We over payed Javon Walker, Jabustus, and all kinds of peeps. I am glad to see that just maybe, those days are over. Time will tell though.
by lakers007raiders on Jan 18, 2012 9:30 PM PST up reply actions
the problem is that
Palmer was NEVER going to take us to a championship, only a moron would think that he could have.
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i guess imn a moron!
becausse if he had defense this year we would be in the superbowl! we had that type of talent on offense!
The fact our defense was so inconsitant is a big part of the reason you would e an idiot for thinking he could have taken us to a superbowl
The point is that we were not even close to being Carson Palmer away from winning the big one.
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by Ozraider on Jan 19, 2012 12:04 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
Ughhhh
You are………………………….right :( Dude, how hard is it to look in the mirror and say, “Damn, my team sucks.” Was it the D? Was it the injuries? Was it Hue? Was it Panda? Was it Carson? Or were we all just so full of kool aid to start the year that we could do no wrong? I’ll tell you this, being a fan sucks. We go through more bad than good, and worst of all, we don’t get paid. Yet here I am, ready for another glass next year :P
by lakers007raiders on Jan 19, 2012 12:10 AM PST up reply actions
Talk About Making An "About Face"!!!
You just came full circle to where the rest of us have already been….It’s that “D” NOT “CP3” that kept us out of the "PO"s….
By the way Hue’s “O” was top 10 and you bitched???…LoL!!!
Now what will you cry this season if our “O” sinks???
"Tebowphobe"!!!
top ten in yards
not scoring which is all that matters. Our offense isn’t can’t carry us to the superbowl even with a top defense. We couldn’t score in the second half of games is that on the defense
Nope, just the 433 points they gave up.
4th most in the NFL. Our offense was flat from time to time, especially at the height of the injuries, but our defense was terrible almost all of the time.
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"Tebowphobe"!!!
by PantyRaider on Jan 19, 2012 10:57 AM PST up reply actions
It's hard to score when you don't get decent field position to start out drives
And your D doesn’t create turnovers and spends the whole day on the field…
EXACTLY
OZ really hates carson Palmer. did he sleep with your wife or something?
by tatum25 on Jan 19, 2012 12:22 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Lol it seems like Hue and Palmer gangbanged her or something
Just kidding Oz peace bro!
I just wanna know why you hate those 2 so much
I never said it was completely Carson's fault for us missing the playoffs
I said the trade was stupid and the price was a complete heist for a guy who was not going to be the difference between superbowl or not, and the fact is that we could probably had gotten a better option this offseason for less.
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Since we all knew our Defense was bad why not bring in help on defense
I am sure we could have made major improve ment for a first and second
ya right Oz
blah blah blah..everyone is an idiot but you..
by Canadian Raider on Jan 19, 2012 3:02 AM PST up reply actions
Who the hell knows.
Our defense sucked hard. If McFadden hadn’t been injured it’s hard to say what our offense would have looked like. Could have been good enough to overcome our crap defense and Palmer’s occasional turnovers. Or maybe not.
But I agree that with all the injuries and our D that Palmer was never going to take us anywhere. Unfortunately no one could see into the future.
I agree and feel the same with Campbell instead of Palmer
the problem is that
Campbell was NEVER going to take us to a championship, only a moron would think that he could have.
Every man for himself...
I think that winning this season in Al's memory played a part in the Palmer decision too
Hue wanted to keep his job and Mark wanted to win in his Dad’s memory, so they took a chance on Palmer and over paid.
It didn’t work, but not really because Palmer wasn’t good enough, but because the defense was terrible. They should have promoted Waufle to DC (and fired Bresnapigface) at that point too if they were going all in!
This is all in hindsight, which as usual is 20/20
"Now I know what your thinking, did he fire six shots or only five. Ive forgotten myself in all this excitement, but being that this is the 44 magnum, the most powerful handgun in the world and could blow your head clean off, you have to ask your question. Do I feel lucky? Well do ya punk!"
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yeah i agree with this
I still think Hue’s primary goal was keeping his job and he would have sold it to Mark that way
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even f that was true which you would have no idea and I disagree with
I would prefer 6-10 with our draft picks than the situation we are in now as we would be in a better position to further improve towards a superbowl not just making the playoffs.
The goal isn’t just being good enough to make the playoffs, the goal is to win the superbowl.
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Palmer had a horrible start because
he was out of football and sitting on his couch, didn’t know the offense or the players in it.
Boller had no such challenges, he’d been on the team for two years and supposedly knew the offense, though you couldn’t tell by the way he played.
He should have been able to step right in and run this team, instead he was the one who looked like he’d been out of football for a year, didn’t know the offense or the players in it.
If Boller plays well in that first game…the Palmer deal never happens.
"Now I know what your thinking, did he fire six shots or only five. Ive forgotten myself in all this excitement, but being that this is the 44 magnum, the most powerful handgun in the world and could blow your head clean off, you have to ask your question. Do I feel lucky? Well do ya punk!"
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The Palmer deal had already happened by the time Boller got his first start.
Boller did play okay-ish against the Browns when JC went down. He at least managed the game well enough for us to hold on to the win.
The Falcons trade to get Julio Jones was bad ours was out of necessity....
Carson will make them eat their words next season
Jones is a Rookie not even close to his prime
Palmer was over the hill years ago.
Yes Jones is a WR a WR isn't going to carry the team
they lost in the Playoffs cause of Matt Ryan. Carson has most of you guys fooled with the deep ball. Scoring TD’s when it matters and covering for a bad Defense is what Carson was traded here for. You give that type of trade for a TOM BRADEY not some has been.
If the raiders had known the trade would lead to an 8-8 record then yeah but no one knew. This had hue written all over yet now he’s denying it was his trade when it clearly was. The Palmer trade was good but steep. If it wasn’t for that trade bollers team would’ve been 6-10 and the playoff hopes woulda died a loong time ago. I can’t complain about the trade especially since its 2012. Carson is good and I think the offense will continue to do well in 2012 ESPECIALLY since dmc will play with Carson for the first time.
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... and they have."
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by RaiderKilluminati on Jan 18, 2012 3:17 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
trading for Carson should have led to a 10-6 record
but the D f’ed up. Carson had two really bad games but the D had 12 bad games
by dawad34 on Jan 18, 2012 3:21 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Yesssum it did
Poor defense and injuries but Carson still needed to cut down on the ints. I think Carson can lead us into the playoffs. Hey Alex smith did it although that niner d is the best in the nfl.
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... and they have."
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by RaiderKilluminati on Jan 18, 2012 3:30 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
when you give up a 1st and 2nd you trade for a top elite QB
Carson never played at that level. I understand he was out of football but would you pay top dollar for a car that hasn’t been driven in a year. Carson brought to Oakland to do one thing and that was win. If we would have thrown 24 TD and 5ints thats on the Defense. He didn’t make the team better we were just able to throw the ball deep. Deep passes doesn’t make you a good team scoring TD’s and not turning the ball over makes a Good offesne. Our offesne was just like our Defense at the end of games we couldn’t score and we all knew our defense could stop anyone. A top QB makes plays when it matters and when you go back a look a games Carson didn’t do anything specials as far as extending plays or making drives last longer.
You said it bro, a WR isn't going to carry the team and yet they gave up more than we gave up for Carson
who has to carry the team and its harder to find a good QB than a good WR, he’s more important than a WR, so using your logic our trade isnt as bad as the Falcons’ one…
Carson gave us a chance to go to the playoffs, and i’m pretty sure that if we had made a play here and there on D we would be…we traded for him to give us a chance at the playoffs….which he gave us….
The Falcons traded up for Julio Jones thinking he was the missing piece of a championship caliber offense…..fast forward to the playoffs, wildcard round against the Giants….0 points scored on offense….
Yeah I think the worst trade came out of Atlanta…
Our trade was worst
The Falcons still have there first round this year. They have a better core of players. We traded away our team picks like Carson was the answer. Falcons made the Playoffs We lost to the Chargers and help there Coach keep his job. We knew our Defense sucked before the Palmer Trade so instead of trading for players who can play defense. We gave up everything . The only Way our Trade is good is if Palmer plays like Drew Brees. He has to carry the team.
On the other hand
Helping Turner and AJ Smith keep their jobs may have been beneficial for us in the long term. Because they’re not good at their jobs.
Draft picks Atlanta gave up for Julio Jones:
2011
1st round pick
2nd round pick
4th round pick
2012
1st round pick
4th round pick
Teams will take chances like that when
they think they’re “one player away,” and Jones still has a lot of upside. WE took that chance on a QB who’s had arm problems and was “retired” at mid season. Apples and oranges…
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by transparent58 on Jan 19, 2012 4:32 PM PST up reply actions
This article is akin to someone writing an expose about the sky being blue
You would have to blind and/or semi retarded not to see it.
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I respect takeo but since he's a charger
He misspelled motivating on sports nation haha it was clear as day. “motovating” not big but maybe that’s why he’s in sd haha
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... and they have."
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by RaiderKilluminati on Jan 18, 2012 2:39 PM PST via mobile reply actions
AND he’s a charger! Its not his fault he’s sittin watching the playoffs, chargers had a shot at one point.
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"The greatest hypnotist on the planet Earth is an oblong box in the corner in the room. It is constantly telling us what to believe is real. If you can persuade people that what they see with their eyes is what there is to see you've got them. Because they'll laugh in your face of an explanation then which portrays the big picture of what's happenin'
... and they have."
"Lots of people in America know that the system is fucked up. All of them know it. I think everybody in this country knows the government’s corrupt. They’re conscious of it, but they’re not gonna do a fucking thing about it. There are people that will, and me, I consider those people revolutionary"- Immortal Technique
by RaiderKilluminati on Jan 18, 2012 2:53 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
It must be incredibly painful to be a Charger fan
Such talented teams year in and year out, often picked in the preseason as championship contenders, and yet nothing at all to show for it.
Torty Craig, we hardly knew ye.
by KlausChadman on Jan 18, 2012 3:53 PM PST up reply actions
The fuck is this?
“i’ll take morons of the nfc north from the early 2000s for $1000 alex”
by lchristmas on Jan 18, 2012 3:10 PM PST via mobile reply actions
WTF
I thought “his guy” was a proven winner! 2-15??!! 33-34, with one playoff bound season? Dude, these aren’t winners. Some guys are not meant to be head coaches and these two didnt cut it. Mornhinweg’s offense didnt thrill anyone, and with how loaded with talent that “dream team” was, he should have been putting up at least 28-35 points a game.
As far as Tice, teams made his O-line look like a gate. it held a few idiots out, but the majority of teams had no problem with it.
I am getting frustrated with these choices for candidates. OC’s from teams who O sucked and DC’s from teams with pitiful defenses.
How can guys be proven winners if either A) they have been a coordinator or below that level their entire career B) they unit they were running sucked and C) their record at head coach was sub-.500 or worse they went 2-15!!!!???? Really?
Have y'all seen the fan made charger video?
Haha it’s so crappy! It’s called status quo. Here’s to another couple years of Norv and aj stinking it up here in sd!!! Haha
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... and they have."
"Lots of people in America know that the system is fucked up. All of them know it. I think everybody in this country knows the government’s corrupt. They’re conscious of it, but they’re not gonna do a fucking thing about it. There are people that will, and me, I consider those people revolutionary"- Immortal Technique
by RaiderKilluminati on Jan 18, 2012 4:27 PM PST via mobile reply actions
Damn tough to decide between the miners and giants… Id have to go with the giants cuz Eli is way better than Alex but the niners d can’t be overlooked. As for the afc, king Brady beats the ravens. Gronk will have another big game. Then since my pick was eliminated(saints) I have to go with the pats in a rematch with NY. Belicheat gets another ring.
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"The greatest hypnotist on the planet Earth is an oblong box in the corner in the room. It is constantly telling us what to believe is real. If you can persuade people that what they see with their eyes is what there is to see you've got them. Because they'll laugh in your face of an explanation then which portrays the big picture of what's happenin'
... and they have."
"Lots of people in America know that the system is fucked up. All of them know it. I think everybody in this country knows the government’s corrupt. They’re conscious of it, but they’re not gonna do a fucking thing about it. There are people that will, and me, I consider those people revolutionary"- Immortal Technique
by RaiderKilluminati on Jan 18, 2012 4:38 PM PST via mobile reply actions
no no amigo
i insist the pats will get their revenge. the Gronk is a special player. He will be the key to the sb run.
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"The greatest hypnotist on the planet Earth is an oblong box in the corner in the room. It is constantly telling us what to believe is real. If you can persuade people that what they see with their eyes is what there is to see you've got them. Because they'll laugh in your face of an explanation then which portrays the big picture of what's happenin'
... and they have."
"Lots of people in America know that the system is fucked up. All of them know it. I think everybody in this country knows the government’s corrupt. They’re conscious of it, but they’re not gonna do a fucking thing about it. There are people that will, and me, I consider those people revolutionary"- Immortal Technique
by RaiderKilluminati on Jan 18, 2012 5:31 PM PST up reply actions
First you said the Saints were gonna win it all....now the Pats?
I’m sorry bro i’ll stick to my original pick, Giants baby! you’ll see…
i had to mayne!
i said my pick which was the saints lost. so i had to pick someone from the remaining 4 and that be the pats!
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"The greatest hypnotist on the planet Earth is an oblong box in the corner in the room. It is constantly telling us what to believe is real. If you can persuade people that what they see with their eyes is what there is to see you've got them. Because they'll laugh in your face of an explanation then which portrays the big picture of what's happenin'
... and they have."
"Lots of people in America know that the system is fucked up. All of them know it. I think everybody in this country knows the government’s corrupt. They’re conscious of it, but they’re not gonna do a fucking thing about it. There are people that will, and me, I consider those people revolutionary"- Immortal Technique
by RaiderKilluminati on Jan 18, 2012 5:48 PM PST up reply actions
Giants will win it all bro!
Dont mean to sound like a broken record, i just feel something special about that team…
Like I said mayne. Giants vs pats. Pats win a close game.
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"The greatest hypnotist on the planet Earth is an oblong box in the corner in the room. It is constantly telling us what to believe is real. If you can persuade people that what they see with their eyes is what there is to see you've got them. Because they'll laugh in your face of an explanation then which portrays the big picture of what's happenin'
... and they have."
"Lots of people in America know that the system is fucked up. All of them know it. I think everybody in this country knows the government’s corrupt. They’re conscious of it, but they’re not gonna do a fucking thing about it. There are people that will, and me, I consider those people revolutionary"- Immortal Technique
by RaiderKilluminati on Jan 19, 2012 12:52 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Eli is in Brady's kitchen
making a sandwich and demanding a hummer from Gisele as we speak…though he’s always been kinda goofy looking and reminds you of the kid you used to give swirlies in gym class, he’s always been the most clutch Manning of the group…he’ll get ring number 2 and people will start to realize he might not match big brother’s stats, but he’s more of a winner..
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by transparent58 on Jan 19, 2012 4:35 PM PST up reply actions
At the very least, Eli has a better organization behind him
Peyton’s absence this year showed just how much he carried that team. And how poor a job the Colts did at preparing for a day when Peyton wouldn’t be around.
thats why caldwell got the axe
he couldnt get a W without Peyton. Peyton was calling the plays at the line and the D was all freeny and mathis and sanders. what did caldwell do for them? 2-14
this SOPA act better die!!!
no more S&B pride if it passes….
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"The greatest hypnotist on the planet Earth is an oblong box in the corner in the room. It is constantly telling us what to believe is real. If you can persuade people that what they see with their eyes is what there is to see you've got them. Because they'll laugh in your face of an explanation then which portrays the big picture of what's happenin'
... and they have."
"Lots of people in America know that the system is fucked up. All of them know it. I think everybody in this country knows the government’s corrupt. They’re conscious of it, but they’re not gonna do a fucking thing about it. There are people that will, and me, I consider those people revolutionary"- Immortal Technique
by RaiderKilluminati on Jan 18, 2012 5:50 PM PST reply actions
sopa act
Will censor the internet. Its a non piracy act. Google and many other browsers and such will be shut down. Basically the government will “oversee” the internet (not that they don’t already…) google would have to get permission from every link u end up searching on googles browser. Blogs like this would be gone unless given permission from the government. Basically: no freedom of speech on the internet cuz its deemed “piracy”. No youtube or blugs, etc…
"I'm not saying I'm gonna change the world, but I guarantee that I will spark the brain that will change the world." - Tupac Amaru Shakur
"The greatest hypnotist on the planet Earth is an oblong box in the corner in the room. It is constantly telling us what to believe is real. If you can persuade people that what they see with their eyes is what there is to see you've got them. Because they'll laugh in your face of an explanation then which portrays the big picture of what's happenin'
... and they have."
"Lots of people in America know that the system is fucked up. All of them know it. I think everybody in this country knows the government’s corrupt. They’re conscious of it, but they’re not gonna do a fucking thing about it. There are people that will, and me, I consider those people revolutionary"- Immortal Technique
by RaiderKilluminati on Jan 18, 2012 10:07 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Hopefully I explained it correctly and enough. U can research it, its a stupid act. I don’t think it will be passed but u never know.
"I'm not saying I'm gonna change the world, but I guarantee that I will spark the brain that will change the world." - Tupac Amaru Shakur
"The greatest hypnotist on the planet Earth is an oblong box in the corner in the room. It is constantly telling us what to believe is real. If you can persuade people that what they see with their eyes is what there is to see you've got them. Because they'll laugh in your face of an explanation then which portrays the big picture of what's happenin'
... and they have."
"Lots of people in America know that the system is fucked up. All of them know it. I think everybody in this country knows the government’s corrupt. They’re conscious of it, but they’re not gonna do a fucking thing about it. There are people that will, and me, I consider those people revolutionary"- Immortal Technique
by RaiderKilluminati on Jan 18, 2012 10:09 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
*blogs.
"I'm not saying I'm gonna change the world, but I guarantee that I will spark the brain that will change the world." - Tupac Amaru Shakur
"The greatest hypnotist on the planet Earth is an oblong box in the corner in the room. It is constantly telling us what to believe is real. If you can persuade people that what they see with their eyes is what there is to see you've got them. Because they'll laugh in your face of an explanation then which portrays the big picture of what's happenin'
... and they have."
"Lots of people in America know that the system is fucked up. All of them know it. I think everybody in this country knows the government’s corrupt. They’re conscious of it, but they’re not gonna do a fucking thing about it. There are people that will, and me, I consider those people revolutionary"- Immortal Technique
by RaiderKilluminati on Jan 18, 2012 10:11 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Sure is a nice change
to have so much interest in the Raiders HC position! Really glad McKenzie is doing his due diligence.
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DANNY DEVITO.. how about Al PAcino he has coaching experience!. raiders are turing into a joke!
Why is everyone getting mad about these guys getting a shot.
I have heard many of the same guys who say give Carson a chance and what happen with the Bengals doesn’t matter here. We can’t give none of these guys a shot.
Spud Mckenzie is fucking with us
No way 3/4 of these guys are serious contenders. He has to know who he wants, just running through possibilities. And by dangling Panda in the Raider organization, I know damn sure this new GM is simply fucking with his fan base. I mean really, do we seem stable at all right now? New GM. Fired 1st year head coach. No draft picks (that are considered good). Shitty home field, all kinds of rumors of moving back to LA. Our owner is not a football guy. We technically have no staff. What a mess. Luckily, I’m just an impatient fan. I’ll wait it out for now. Bowles doesn’t seem bad, Dolphins were pretty good on D. Tice, thought he ran a good system. The scandals though make me weary. Mornhinweg, hell no. At his best as a coordinator I think he’s been decent. As a HC, thought he was terrible. Still, why no mention of Del Rio? Curious.
by lakers007raiders on Jan 18, 2012 7:52 PM PST reply actions
it's called
Due diligence, there is nothing wrong with interviewing as many people as you can.
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It doesn't necessarily mean that
He may have had a couple great interviews, but feel like checking out other people to make sure he’s not missing anything. This is his first time hiring a HC so he shouldn’t rush it, unnecessarily.
HOW MANY INTIERVIEWS YOU NEED!
to find your so called “guy”. the fact of the matter is that he never had a guy lined up and now we are playing musical chairs with our season for 2012. we get the wrong coach then we are done for another 3 years
I don't know how many you need
I’m not a GM and I don’t know what Reggie is looking for. May be that he’s found the guy and trying to work out details. May be that he still wants to see if he can talk to some guys from the Ravens, Giants, Niners, or Patriots. May be that he thought so and so would be the guy but then interviewed him and realized it wouldn’t be a good fit.
As far as I can tell he’s interviewed what? 6 people? That’s not that many. Besides, he’s a new GM probably still getting used to the whole process involved and his interviewing style.
Spot on dude, but what interviews are we talking about?
11 names and one interview, or is it two? When will the process begin? Or, nobody wants to interview with the Raiders. Carmichael was asked, but he jettisoned off to interview with the Colts, even though the Raiders asked him way before the Colts fired their coach.
by Captain Chaos on Jan 19, 2012 3:02 PM PST up reply actions
It means nothing of the sort
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by Ozraider on Jan 19, 2012 12:09 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
I’m just an impatient fan
lol
Seems systemic through out the Raider Nation lately. Nerves are frayed.
Why Was That Damn "MuleHead" Even Invited To Speak????
Raiders | Mike McCoy no longer a candidate
Wed, 18 Jan 2012 15:10:12 -0800
Denver Broncos offensive coordinator Mike McCoy took his name off the Oakland Raiders’ list of potential candidates for their head coaching job Wednesday, Jan. 18, preferring to instead focus on the Miami Dolphins’ head coaching position.
Raiders | Not pleased with snub from Mike McCoy
Wed, 18 Jan 2012 19:27:08 -0800
Updating a previous report, the Oakland Raiders were apparently not pleased that Denver Broncos offensive coordinator Mike McCoy decided to snub them, according to a source, but were made to understand that McCoy feels he is the leading candidate for the Miami Dolphins job and he did not want to do anything to hinder that status.
"Tebowphobe"!!!
ESPN just reported that Raiders did not get excited about any coaches they interviewed
so they will be fielding more interviews until they found their man. Man either Reggie is blowing smoke up ESPN’s ass or his gut is a tough one to please
Ya
I’m finding it encouraging that he’s taking all this time. If he’d have hired Moss 24 hours after the Packers lost, we’d know the Neo-Cheese Mafia was being put into place. But he’s actually been looking all over the place, and may even have to wait until after the Super Bowl to get done interviewing everybody he wants to. Course, that would only leave him 2 months to get ready for the draft, but then again he doesn’t seem the type to hire somebody and fire them 12 months later.
And
All these sportswriters who keep insisting Moss is the frontrunner with nothing to back it up might well be the ones doing the blowing of smoke.
McKenzie has only really spoken to 3 candidates so far with others lined up
You know what would make a good story? Something about a clown who makes people happy, but inside he's real sad. Also, he has severe diarrhea.
by Buster Bluth on Jan 20, 2012 4:14 AM PST up reply actions
this gm is
making me mad! you fire a coach for your “guy” yet you are interviewing people that are not your guyz? or at least you thought were your guyz but now they did not excite you enough to be your guy. what is this a relationship?
Relax, Assassin
maybe “his” guy is still coaching a team with a chance to win the Super Bowl (Gilbride, Fewell, Pagano, Fagio) and checking on some of the young up and comers like Bowles, McCoy etc.
Basically, he doesn’t want to be Marcellus Wallace and trust the wrong guy then end up getting cornholed by some Redneck on a Chopper named Zed. He wants to be DAMN SURE he gets the right coach for the next 3-10 years of Oakland Raiders football.
we never retreat we always ATTACK!!!
by transparent58 on Jan 19, 2012 4:42 PM PST up reply actions
Zed's dead baby...Zed's dead!
"Now I know what your thinking, did he fire six shots or only five. Ive forgotten myself in all this excitement, but being that this is the 44 magnum, the most powerful handgun in the world and could blow your head clean off, you have to ask your question. Do I feel lucky? Well do ya punk!"
Dirty Harry Callahan
Potential "FA"s On Our Radar???...."GB" May Offer Some "OL" Help...
Tight end Jermichael Finley, center Scott Wells and running back Ryan Grant are among the players who could be headed to free agency, although the Packers could use the franchise tag on Finley. The Packers have tough decisions to make on bringing back some veteran players, including wide receiver Donald Driver and left tackle Chad Clifton.
"Tebowphobe"!!!
Finley drops too many balls anyway,
but Scott Wells for center…I’m in on that idea. Satele is too small and gets pushed around a lot.
Ryan Grant only looked good against shitty defenses..ie ours!
"Now I know what your thinking, did he fire six shots or only five. Ive forgotten myself in all this excitement, but being that this is the 44 magnum, the most powerful handgun in the world and could blow your head clean off, you have to ask your question. Do I feel lucky? Well do ya punk!"
Dirty Harry Callahan
But He's Also So Good At "LG"...If We Have A Good "C" Than The Left Side Is Solid!!!
"Tebowphobe"!!!
by PantyRaider on Jan 19, 2012 10:59 AM PST up reply actions
Run game is better when he’s at center. Id rather have a good lg then wiz at center.
"I'm not saying I'm gonna change the world, but I guarantee that I will spark the brain that will change the world." - Tupac Amaru Shakur
"The greatest hypnotist on the planet Earth is an oblong box in the corner in the room. It is constantly telling us what to believe is real. If you can persuade people that what they see with their eyes is what there is to see you've got them. Because they'll laugh in your face of an explanation then which portrays the big picture of what's happenin'
... and they have."
"Lots of people in America know that the system is fucked up. All of them know it. I think everybody in this country knows the government’s corrupt. They’re conscious of it, but they’re not gonna do a fucking thing about it. There are people that will, and me, I consider those people revolutionary"- Immortal Technique
by RaiderKilluminati on Jan 19, 2012 12:46 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
That "C" Made The "PB" This Season...He's An Upgrade And With Reggue We May Have The Inside Track???
"Tebowphobe"!!!
by PantyRaider on Jan 19, 2012 12:54 PM PST up reply actions
That would be good but wiz would be a better center than lg. He’s a good guard but id like to see him as the future center. I say reggie will get a guard in FA
"I'm not saying I'm gonna change the world, but I guarantee that I will spark the brain that will change the world." - Tupac Amaru Shakur
"The greatest hypnotist on the planet Earth is an oblong box in the corner in the room. It is constantly telling us what to believe is real. If you can persuade people that what they see with their eyes is what there is to see you've got them. Because they'll laugh in your face of an explanation then which portrays the big picture of what's happenin'
... and they have."
"Lots of people in America know that the system is fucked up. All of them know it. I think everybody in this country knows the government’s corrupt. They’re conscious of it, but they’re not gonna do a fucking thing about it. There are people that will, and me, I consider those people revolutionary"- Immortal Technique
by RaiderKilluminati on Jan 19, 2012 12:59 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Which Brings Me To An Unanswered Question:
Any word yet as to when the “FA” period will begin???…There was speculation that it would be better served after the draft rather than proceeding it…This way teams could target the players they weren’t able to add threw the draft….
Also will the Trade period begin at the same time as the “FA” period as in the past???
"Tebowphobe"!!!
This was the previous calendar (2010), don't know if it'll stay the same this year:
February 25: Deadline for Clubs to designate Franchise and Transition players.
March 5: Veteran Free Agency signing period begins. Trading period begins.
April 22–24: NFL Draft: New York City.
Obviously the days will change but I’m not quite sure if they’ll move free agency until after the draft or stay the same…
I Just Know There Was Allot Of Speculations But No Answers...
Seems that many liked having the “FA” period after the Draft…NOT so long after as this past season of course but said they would prefer to have it directly follow the draft…
Maybe the draft should be moved up to March and “FA” to begin in April???
"Tebowphobe"!!!
Huge Mike Tice Fan
I think he has the Raider mentality and the current team suits his style. I think he’d be an awesome hire.
waste of time or not
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=81ZkGOaCaiM&feature=related
the man can coach damn it and all I’m hearing is bad coach might be the next raiders coach that B.S. we must fight to get our guy!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lc1FMJvNXCg
James Hatfield is a raider fan and he Awesome don’t want to piss him off with a McCoy as coach!
Totally off topic
You guys seen those youtube videos of strange sounds heard round the world?
Real or not thats some weird shit right there
NO!!...There Have Certainly Been Some Strange Sounds Coming From Some Of These Pretend To be Raider Fans...LoL!!!
Like they all have an agenda to disrupt our high going forward with Reggie…Got nothing to look forward to in their own worthless lives so they look for something else to try to tear down…
Pitiful excuse for existence!!!
You know who you are!!!
"Tebowphobe"!!!
Yup!!!....But NOT Very "Undercover"....Kinda Like "Get Smart" With A Shoe Shoved Up His Ass!!!
"Tebowphobe"!!!
speaking of undercover trolls...
Where’s hue jackson rams oc? I wanna ask him why he didn’t put dmc on injured reserve?? Why did he mess with raider nation like that?!!!!
"I'm not saying I'm gonna change the world, but I guarantee that I will spark the brain that will change the world." - Tupac Amaru Shakur
"The greatest hypnotist on the planet Earth is an oblong box in the corner in the room. It is constantly telling us what to believe is real. If you can persuade people that what they see with their eyes is what there is to see you've got them. Because they'll laugh in your face of an explanation then which portrays the big picture of what's happenin'
... and they have."
"Lots of people in America know that the system is fucked up. All of them know it. I think everybody in this country knows the government’s corrupt. They’re conscious of it, but they’re not gonna do a fucking thing about it. There are people that will, and me, I consider those people revolutionary"- Immortal Technique
by RaiderKilluminati on Jan 19, 2012 2:35 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Senior Bowl practice will begin next Monday
Raiders’ assistants under contract are heading to Mobile… without their head coach?
Sounds like Carmichael Jr is going to interview with the Colts
Which sucks because of the coaches we’ve interviewed, he’s the only one that really interested me as an option.
reggie is turning over every rock to see if there is a coach there, lol
to me its more like bottom fishing and now i am wandering if reggie has a budget.notice that jeff fisher, jon gruden were not contacted.
by sports with steve on Jan 19, 2012 12:31 PM PST reply actions
dis be way off topic
But have y’all seen the kobe system commercial? That explains it all. Why kobe? I knew he was involved with that, but damn!!
"I'm not saying I'm gonna change the world, but I guarantee that I will spark the brain that will change the world." - Tupac Amaru Shakur
"The greatest hypnotist on the planet Earth is an oblong box in the corner in the room. It is constantly telling us what to believe is real. If you can persuade people that what they see with their eyes is what there is to see you've got them. Because they'll laugh in your face of an explanation then which portrays the big picture of what's happenin'
... and they have."
"Lots of people in America know that the system is fucked up. All of them know it. I think everybody in this country knows the government’s corrupt. They’re conscious of it, but they’re not gonna do a fucking thing about it. There are people that will, and me, I consider those people revolutionary"- Immortal Technique
by RaiderKilluminati on Jan 19, 2012 12:48 PM PST via mobile reply actions
Not surprised to see j.rice but larry fitz?!! Why?!
"I'm not saying I'm gonna change the world, but I guarantee that I will spark the brain that will change the world." - Tupac Amaru Shakur
"The greatest hypnotist on the planet Earth is an oblong box in the corner in the room. It is constantly telling us what to believe is real. If you can persuade people that what they see with their eyes is what there is to see you've got them. Because they'll laugh in your face of an explanation then which portrays the big picture of what's happenin'
... and they have."
"Lots of people in America know that the system is fucked up. All of them know it. I think everybody in this country knows the government’s corrupt. They’re conscious of it, but they’re not gonna do a fucking thing about it. There are people that will, and me, I consider those people revolutionary"- Immortal Technique
by RaiderKilluminati on Jan 19, 2012 12:51 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
They involved with some “weird” crap there mayne. Did u see the commercial? Freemasonry and such!!!!
"I'm not saying I'm gonna change the world, but I guarantee that I will spark the brain that will change the world." - Tupac Amaru Shakur
"The greatest hypnotist on the planet Earth is an oblong box in the corner in the room. It is constantly telling us what to believe is real. If you can persuade people that what they see with their eyes is what there is to see you've got them. Because they'll laugh in your face of an explanation then which portrays the big picture of what's happenin'
... and they have."
"Lots of people in America know that the system is fucked up. All of them know it. I think everybody in this country knows the government’s corrupt. They’re conscious of it, but they’re not gonna do a fucking thing about it. There are people that will, and me, I consider those people revolutionary"- Immortal Technique
by RaiderKilluminati on Jan 19, 2012 2:20 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
did mcoy cut it to short with reggie and maybe thinking he had the job with the fins?
should reggie still call him and maybe reconsider a coaching job with the raiders? or did mcoy just say fuck the raiders and move on?
by sports with steve on Jan 20, 2012 7:24 PM PST reply actions
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