Long List of Oakland Raider Coaching Prospects
We are not lacking candidates to replace Hue Jackson. Reggie Mckenzie is doing everything he can to make the right decision and is moving fairly quickly considering the scope of the search. I am so anxious to hear who he hires that it is hard to wait. I understand it is going to take a considerable amount of time to do the due diligence on everybody though. This is going to be his most important decision of his GM era. The first coach you bring in does so much for people's faith in your decision making and he knows he needs to be careful when selecting his coach. Whoever we hire we want them to be here for the long haul, stability starts with the correct coach for the team.
I have compiled a list of candidates and have stated my own opinion on each. I have separated them into separate categories; Already interviewed / scheduled interviews, experienced head coaches, inexperienced head coaches, coaches we can not interview yet and Super Bowl Winning head coaches. I am also including a poll at the end to see who the Nation is most interested in, but I am excluding the Super Bowl coaches from the list because they would sway the poll too much. Take the Jump to read on!
****************Already Interviewed or Scheduled for Interviews******************
Mike Tice--He has been around a long, long time. The old coach of the MN Vikings has a near .500 record but I always felt he got away with bad coaching with good players. Randy Moss won a lot of games for him. I don't think I would be happy with Tice and I hope he does not get the job. He does run a very aggressive offense that the Raiders love but I would almost prefer the offense to slow down. I would be more excited to see more short passes implemented and less reliance on the deep ball, even if Carson Palmer throws a beautiful deep pass.
Marty Mornhinweg-- Marty had next to 0 success with the Lions as their head coach, however it was in the middle of the Matt Millen era. Millen's ineptitude at the GM position is second to nobody. Its hard to judge anything about Marty considering the entire lack of front office help. Reggie would be more prepared to help him, but still I never thought much of Mornhinweg. He hasn't been terrible in Philly so I don't blame the interview but I have to doubt that he will get the job.
Todd Bowles-- Very impressive individual. He is still in the running for the Dolphin head coaching job too but I think he might choose us over them if it came down to it. They tried to hire Jeff Fisher and failed, that might feel like a vote of no confidence to Bowles. He had the interim head coaching experience so he will have an offseason with tapes to evaluate his performance. That will cut down on the rookie mistakes. He is a strong minded, hard working coach who would fit us very well.
Dennis Allen-- Dennis Allen is the defensive coordinator for the Denver Broncos and did an absolutely outstanding job with his unit. Having Von Miller and Elvis Dummerville rushing the quarterback definitely made his job easier. He had extra pressure to deal with considering his defense knew they had to play extra safe and give up the least amount of points possible to keep Tim Tebow in the game. They had a very impressive defense throughout the year though and Allen deserves to get quite a bit of credit for that. Still that was only his first year as their DC and is somewhat lacking in extensive leadership roles. Also, although he would bring intimate knowledge to us about our rival, they would also have intimate knowledge on the way that he likes to coach. I am hoping not, but if he was hired at least it would be a strong defensive mind.
Mike McCoy-- Mike McCoy had to completely throw out his system to work with Tim Tebow, and was still successful. He loves to run and I would like to keep that our focal point of our offense. Part of the problem when you gauge his success this past year is how much of it was really John Fox. Either way it was impressive the way that he was able to adapt, especially making second half adjustments which was perhaps the worst part of our previous coaching regime. Same as with Allen, hiring him would give the Broncos a bit of a heads up on scouting him and knowing his tendencies. I am not saying that we should not hire McCoy or Allen because of the Broncos knowledge on them, but it certainly is a negative in my mind. (*No Longer Considered a Candidate, Article link available in comments section)
Pete Carmichael, Jr.-- Pete Carmichael Jr. seems to be the hot new name. He has been one of the architects of the high powered New Orleans offense and has a very promising career ahead of him. He is young and if he succeeds he could be around for decades with the same team. I don't know how good he is going to be, considering the lack of success by several hot prospects in the near past but its not really fair to judge him based on others anyway. I have the feeling it is going to be similar to Jason Garrettt, much heralded but not overly successful. It will be interesting to see. The New Orleans offense is so good that I would not be upset by his hiring.
****************Coaches Available With Head Coaching Experience*****************
Dom Capers-- Dom Capers, we have talked quite a bit about him already so I don't need to say much. A defensive Guru that would implement a ball hawking 3-4 system doesn't sound so horrible to me. However his critics are quick to point out his lack of success as a head coach. Personally I think he did O.K. as head coach despite a poor record. He is also very old though, and would guarantee another coaching change in the near future which is what nixes it most for me. Whoever we hire I want to be able to be here for a long time, I am sick to death of coaching changes.
Mike Nolan-- Mike Nolan did not fair very well in San Francisco, but sure looked good failing in those flashy suits on the sidelines. He, like Jack Del Rio, I would probably prefer to have as our DC but I would be fine with looking at him for the HC position. He knows football, has great bloodlines, and would focus his attention on our porous defense. Our offense with the right OC could flourish without much attention from the HC, so adding Nolan would not be awful. I believe in second chances and he has done quite well for himself as a defensive mastermind since his firing in San Francisco. His time with San Fran in the Bay Area being fairly tainted could play a role in if he decided to come here but if we offered the HC position I am sure he would not turn it down. (*Signed as DC to the Atlanta Falcons, Article link available in Comments Section)
Jim Caldwell-- Jim Caldwell was fired this year from Indy after their Peyton-less drop from the top. I would say his firing was very much a factor of the labor dispute. He had no time with Peyton to gauge his recovery and obviously thought he was going to play. It is not an excuse because he should have still been better prepared but at the same time everybody knows Manning was the Man in Indy and they did not have a regular offensive set up because of that. I like the free reign he was willing to give and I think Carson would react very well to a similar environment. He is only a couple of seasons removed from a Super Bowl appearance, albeit with the team he inherited from Tony Dungy. I would definitely support bringing in Caldwell for an interview, his guys never stopped playing for him and it was more circumstance than any other firing that happened this year.
Jack Del Rio-- Jack spent a lot of years in Jacksonville with a lot of ups and downs. I think he needs to take a DC job and have a little less on his plate for a couple of seasons. I would love to see him come in as our DC. I wouldn't be completely against him as Head Coach but he doesn't seem like a natural fit with us. He does like to run the ball though so he would have that going for him. He also looks like he could beat up lots of active players and that could be fun too.
Todd Haley-- Todd Haley was not a terrible coach for Kansas City. He is kind of crazy and was so paranoid that he believed the Chiefs front office had bugged his offices though. Maybe they did, who knows? What I do know is that he did do very well in his 2nd season in KC up until the team fell apart. I always thought he was going to do better than he ended up doing. I am not sure how I would feel if we were to hire him, but he could still turn out to be a very good head coach one day.
Eric Mangini-- Mangini has been out of coaching a couple of years but seems like he wants back in. He has never really been very successful and I hope we are not interested in him. I included him on this list simply out of respect, similar to the reasons I included Wade Phillips. He has coached multiple teams and would be available if we want him. I don't know if he has any strong connections to Reggie Mckenzie but I do know the person who fired Mangini is close with Reggie. I think if Mike Holmgren didn't want to continue to work with him that is a pretty solid sign that Mckenzie wont want to either. He can keep his cushy job at ESPN.
Wade Phillips-- Phillips is not somebody that I would be very interested in for head coach. His biggest problem has always been lacking discipline and that is not going to work with our team. He does amazing things with defenses and I would be interested to see him implement a 3-4 system, but we don't have the draft picks for him to do that right away. He seems like a push over to me, and I don't want the next head coach of our Oakland Raiders to be a push over.
Gregg Williams-- Gregg Williams might be the best DC in all of football. The Saints defense was never all that talented in my opinion but he always kept the teams guessing on what was coming. He was the head coach of the Bills at one time and was not incredibly successful but he was a lot of fun to watch. He loves to be aggressive and I think he would work well with Carson Palmer. He is fairly high up there on my list of people I would be interested in as our next head coach. Problem is, if he started to lose the team he is such a fiery guy that I don't know if he could get them back. Hopefully that wont have to matter to our new coach and he wont ever lose the team to begin with, but that type of things happen and the true champion coaches are good at righting the ship.
Steve Spagnuolo-- I don't know how much we should take from his time in St. Louis. He took over a horrible team and it did not improve all that greatly. However, as bad as they were they absolutely never gave up on Steve. I think the situation around the Rams ownership and subpar front office play had a large effect on the on the field product. I would be willing to look at him for head coach but believe he would thrive as our DC. He was amazing in New York coaching their talented defense and I would love to see what he could do with Matt Shaughnessy and Lamarr Houston. (*Signed as DC for the New Orleans Saints)
Al Saunders-- Saunders would bring something no other option could, the players already know him and work with him well. We know what he can do as an OC and I would be curious to see what he could do as a head coach. He is a bit of a dark horse for this job, but I don't think he will get it. The number one thing that our new coach needs to fix is the penalties, Saunders was part of our record breaking season this past year in that department. If the players were not listening to him about them then, I see no reason to believe they would now. He deserves a shot at being a head coach somewhere, but I doubt it will be here. If the new hire was willing to keep him on as OC I would be absolutely thrilled though. This guy has a motor that just does not quit, his conditioning makes some of the players look out of shape. He is a great coach, and it will be hard to see him leave if he is not retained.
**************Coaches Available With No Head Coaching Experience***************
Tom Clements-- Tom Clements is under looked quite often. He has been the Packers Quarterbacks coach for a long time and is always credited with being a wiz at mechanics. Carson Palmer does not need too much coaching in that aspect, but Pryor would benefit greatly from Clements tutelage. His getting a chance at being a head coach is a very far long shot, but I would be very interested in adding him to our staff in some other capacity.
Winston Moss-- Winston Moss has been said many times to be the front runner for the job. The man is a great motivator and an excellent defensive mind. We could do a lot worse than him as our head coach. When you watch him on the sidelines you can really see why the Packers think so fondly of him. When a mistake is made he is excellent at communicating with the player and fixing it in a timely fashion. He is also very disciplined and I think would be a great help for our penalty issues. I want a defensive coach to be the head coach so that helps my opinion of Moss as well. Still, I would rather not hire anybody from this section of coaches as our head coach because I do not want another rookie learning the ropes.
Joe Philbin-- The fact that Joe Philbin still coached this past Sunday, only days after his 21 year old son's funeral speaks a lot about the work ethic and character of this man. He has been a huge part of Aaron Rodgers development, so much so that when speaking of Philbin's son Rodgers was quoted as saying Joe was one of his best friends. He is a guy that players love and coaches get along with. He seems ready for a head coaching job and I believe he has really earned an opportunity somewhere. I would support this hire more than any other hire from the Green Bay Packers, and that is saying something considering the excellent crop of coaches that are likely going to be interviewed for our coaching vacancy. (*Hired as Miami Dolphins Head Coach)
******************Coaches That Can Not Be Interviewed Yet*******************
Chuck Pagano-- Defensive Coordinator for the always stout Baltimore Ravens. He is a guy that I would really love to see get a chance at a head coaching job and I would be just fine with him coming to us. He has always had the luck of having the likes of Ed Reed and Ray Lewis on the field for him but still his coaching experience since taking over for Rex Ryan has been monumental. He is a coach that has the respect of the league for his hard nosed aggressive style of play calling. One thing though is that Baltimore is where we snagged Hue Jackson from and we might not want to go to the same well for our next head coach.
Cam Cameron--Cam Cameron has been a head coach before for the Washington Redskins and was anything but successful. His offense has not been overly consistent in Baltimore and I am not overly interested in him as a head coaching candidate for us. However he is very well respected across the league and although I haven't heard any interest from us on his behalf I have to think the ever diligent Reggie Mckenzie has at the very least looked into his resume. He holds a major coaching position for a team in the AFC Championship for the 2nd straight year and deserves a look, but I honestly hope he doesn't get much more than a look. If he came in I would get on board but I am very interested in the idea of getting a defensive minded head coach and that is definitely not Cam.
Ed Donatell--Donatell was a Green Bay assistant back in 2000-2003 and has been around the league for a very long time. He is currently on the San Francisco staff as their secondary coach so he is already in the Bay Area. His history with Mckenzie has me thinking that he probably is somewhere on his list of potential candidates and the San Francisco secondary has performed very well under his tutelage. I do not think he will be given a serious chance at getting the head coach job but I think he does deserve a look as well. He is a defensive minded coach and somebody who has cut his teeth at many different levels.
Perry Fewell--Perry Fewell might be my number one choice for head coach aside from Jon Gruden. He has always piqued my interest and I thought we might have wanted to take a look at him when Cable was fired but Al was not going to give the job to a defensive coach. He replaced Steve Spagnolo for the Giants when he left for the St. Louis head coaching job. I am surprised there has not been more talk of Fewell being considered for head coaching jobs this year, and that could be only because his Giants are still in the playoffs getting ready for the NFC Championship game. He has a rock solid reputation and seems like somebody that would instill some discipline if given a head coaching job.
Kevin Gilbride--Mr. Gilbride is the offensive coordinator for the Giants and has done a very well done job with the weapons they have. He has worked closely with Eli Manning for many years and seems to have been a key piece in Manning's impressive development. He is an offensive minded coach though and that is not what I would prefer to bring in. Our offense is going to be good no matter who we bring in, I really want somebody who is going to focus on the defense. He has been working closely under Tom Coughlin though (Same as Perry Fewell) and I think that takes quite a bit of discipline to be able to do. He probably would help quite a bit with our penchant for penalties.
*****************Super Bowl Winning Coaches Unsigned**************
Jon Gruden-- The idea of adding Gruden has been discussed at length already. I will leave this short and simple, I want him and would welcome back. Others wouldn't, we don't need to rehash much about this.
Bill Cowher-- Bill Cowher would probably be the biggest steal out of all the available coaches, but is also the most unlikely out of all of the options to coach us. He is happy where he is in television and would want a lot of control. I don't know, and don't believe, that Reggie would be willing to relinquish his newly earned power that easily. If getting Gruden is next to impossible, then he must be standing next to Cowher.
Mike Martz-- Mike Martz has had some success floating around as offensive coordinator for various teams but never stays put for very long. I would be interested to see his offense in Oakland because of the speedsters we have on this team. However, he seems hard to get along with and I just never really seemed to like him. He seems arrogant and too into himself, and that is not exactly the type of persona that sounds good to our team. They already lack discipline and I do not think Martz would be able to fix that problem. Whoever our coach is needs to be able to fix the penalties or we will not ever grow as a team.
Tony Dungy-- If we could convince Dungy to come back to the sidelines that would really be something special. I have always loved and respected Tony and doubt any other coach could change the penalty prone environment as much as Dungy could. He would immediately give us a type of respect from the officials never before even imagined for the Raiders. He is an exemplary moral compass and a brilliant football mind on both sides. However his tampa2 defense is figured out now and I don't know how well it would do in Oakland. Still even with the Defensive concerns he would be well worth it.
406 comments
|
Add comment
|
0 recs |
Do you like this story?
Comments
Here is another one that we rarely speak of...Rob Chudzinski
I like what he was able to do with Cam this season and the offense as a whole. He brought Steve Smith back from the dead and he did quite a bit without the best of talents. If we go with an offensive minded HC then I think this guy deserves a look as well.
Also, what about Greg Roman, the OC from across the bay? He’s helped resurrect Alex Smith and after watching the 49ers take out the Saints…they can put points on the board, no doubt.
You know what would make a good story? Something about a clown who makes people happy, but inside he's real sad. Also, he has severe diarrhea.
Having said that though...I still prefer a defensive mind for our next HC as well.
You know what would make a good story? Something about a clown who makes people happy, but inside he's real sad. Also, he has severe diarrhea.
by Buster Bluth on Jan 19, 2012 10:07 AM PST up reply actions
Agree
I also think the next HC should be from the defensive side of the ball. I would like to see Winston Moss get the job, and bring Darren Perry over from Green Bay to be the DC. Additionally, keeping Saunders as OC would bring some continuity to the offense, rather than having the players learn a new offense again.
I agree about the defensive mind
but I also don’t want to see the entire offensive scheme change, so I would put actual defensive coordinators like Pagano and Fewell in front of a LBs coach…
we never retreat we always ATTACK!!!
by transparent58 on Jan 21, 2012 12:12 PM PST up reply actions
Didn't think of Rob, definitely overlooked him
As for Roman, I just give a lot more credit to Harbaugh for Alex Smith and dont really think of him as HC ready for my own opinion. I will add both to the already ridiculously long poll lol
"We want to win. The Raider fans deserve it. The Raider players deserve it, even my organization deserves it. You have to win and you have to win with a vision for the Super Bowl. That's our passion here."--Al Davis
"Winning isn't everything, but wanting to win is."--Vince Lombardi
by Marcus Allen Krause on Jan 19, 2012 10:25 AM PST up reply actions
and the idiot didn't even get the Miami job!
hahahahahahahaha! LOSER
ya lol
bet he regrets canceling now. although i didn’t really want him to be signed by us
by SmashmouthFB on Jan 21, 2012 10:22 AM PST up reply actions
i really think he blew his chances here in oakland
by sports with steve on Jan 21, 2012 8:51 PM PST up reply actions
good! He is no good anyways
what are the Raiders going to start running the option with TP? GTFO
It doesnt neccessarily eliminate him from a HC job here though does it?
I suppose they probably have the right to decline him a chance to interview elsewhere but more places have it where you can get out of a contract for a higher position elsewhere.
"We want to win. The Raider fans deserve it. The Raider players deserve it, even my organization deserves it. You have to win and you have to win with a vision for the Super Bowl. That's our passion here."--Al Davis
"Winning isn't everything, but wanting to win is."--Vince Lombardi
by Marcus Allen Krause on Jan 19, 2012 10:19 AM PST up reply actions
No idea but my guess would be that it does eliminate him
by SmashmouthFB on Jan 19, 2012 10:21 AM PST up reply actions
I agree most like scenario is he is eliminated lol
"We want to win. The Raider fans deserve it. The Raider players deserve it, even my organization deserves it. You have to win and you have to win with a vision for the Super Bowl. That's our passion here."--Al Davis
"Winning isn't everything, but wanting to win is."--Vince Lombardi
by Marcus Allen Krause on Jan 19, 2012 10:23 AM PST up reply actions
Thanks though I will update both with your new info
"We want to win. The Raider fans deserve it. The Raider players deserve it, even my organization deserves it. You have to win and you have to win with a vision for the Super Bowl. That's our passion here."--Al Davis
"Winning isn't everything, but wanting to win is."--Vince Lombardi
by Marcus Allen Krause on Jan 19, 2012 10:19 AM PST up reply actions
loved the post
Voted for Todd Bowles but would be happy with Winston moss or Pete Carmichael, Jr.
Whatever head coach RM signs they better bring in a great DC or be a DC minded coach. The whole world knows we need ALOT of help on Defense.
Agreed, I voted Carmichael Jr,
but would be happy with Bowles or Moss.
That is if Gruden isn’t a possibility.
"Now I know what your thinking, did he fire six shots or only five. Ive forgotten myself in all this excitement, but being that this is the 44 magnum, the most powerful handgun in the world and could blow your head clean off, you have to ask your question. Do I feel lucky? Well do ya punk!"
Dirty Harry Callahan
Not really or at least not well
he won his Heisman with Norm Chow calling the shots…
we never retreat we always ATTACK!!!
by transparent58 on Jan 19, 2012 2:23 PM PST up reply actions
I wouldn't consider him a traditional
West Coast Offense guy, though. Likewise, I don’t consider McCarthy one either, though he learned at the foot of Paul Hackett.
I think a lot of people misunderstand the offense, anyway. Even Bill Walsh marveled at Al Davis’ “vertical passing game” and incorporated elements of it in his “West Coast Offense.” For most people “West Coast Offense” has become synonymous with “dink and dunk.”
we never retreat we always ATTACK!!!
by transparent58 on Jan 19, 2012 4:14 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah nobody runs a "pure" West Coast offense anymore and it has been that way for a long time
Coaches keep adding wrinkles to keep up with the innovations on D
but Walsh's original system
did call for stretching the field, too. They stretched you horizontally and vertically…
we never retreat we always ATTACK!!!
by transparent58 on Jan 21, 2012 11:52 AM PST up reply actions
Of the guys we've interviewed,
I like Carmichael Jr the best. But he’s apparently off to interview for the Colts, so I’m not going to hold my breathe there.
I would be okay with Bowles, Philbin, or Winston Moss as well. I just hope we land a good coach soon so they can really get to work. Because we’ve got a lot that needs to be done.
My choices would be:
1) Bowles
2) Carmchael Jr.
3) Moss
"Today I step into the shoes of a great man, a man by the name of Dwayne Elizondo Mountain Dew Herbert Camacho."
Phillips
He does amazing things with defenses
That’s all I wanna hear. Assuming they don’t get rid of Saunders, he can handle the O.
my choices
1. jon gruden
2. carmichael
3.todd haily/mccoy
i would hire moss as a dc and install the 3-4
by sports with steve on Jan 19, 2012 12:08 PM PST reply actions
Gruden
ain’t happenin
and Haley would be a complete nightmare.
I like Carmicheal the best of your list.
I want to see them make a run at Pagano, personally.
we never retreat we always ATTACK!!!
by transparent58 on Jan 19, 2012 12:13 PM PST up reply actions
You are probably right.......
but I really would love having Gruden back. I respect other people’s opinion of why they are done and over with the Gruden era. But one thing stands true no matter how you look at it. The years that Gruden coached them, they were the most disicplined Raiders teams in the Franchise’s history. We need that discipline back. I think Gruden is our guy.
I absolutely would love to have Gruden back, but I am not in the least bit holding my breath on it.
I think Mark Davis knows how much Al Davis would not have been ok with that and will end up showing him enough respect to not do it then, but I hope that he decides that was one of his great mistakes and rectifies it.
"We want to win. The Raider fans deserve it. The Raider players deserve it, even my organization deserves it. You have to win and you have to win with a vision for the Super Bowl. That's our passion here."--Al Davis
"Winning isn't everything, but wanting to win is."--Vince Lombardi
by Marcus Allen Krause on Jan 20, 2012 8:44 AM PST up reply actions
I don't know that Gruden/Davis
ended on bad terms for either Al or Jon. I think they both viewed his departure as inevitable. Al took steps to insure he wasn’t left empty handed or stuck with a lame duck coach that would have resented the owner for not extending him at market value. Gruden got his paycheck and his ring, albeit at the Raiders’ expense. I think both men had a lot of respect for each other, and that Al would have likely welcomed Jon back into the organization under the right circumstances.
I don’t see Gruden as a realistic option for McKenzie, because I don’t think Gruden really wants to get back into full on coaching for anyone right now. I put him, Cowher, and Dungy in the same class.
Not many people know much of a grind being a head coach is, but I’m surprised Gruden is still married, given the 16-20 hour workdays he logged as the HC in both Oakland and Tampa Bay. He’s enjoying his time with family and a job where he’s paid to talk about results, not provide them.
He may eventually get back into coaching, but I don’t think 2012 is the year, and I think he’ll want full personnel control or a dickload of money or both the get back into it…
we never retreat we always ATTACK!!!
by transparent58 on Jan 21, 2012 11:08 AM PST up reply actions
his o got the cards to the playoffsand superbowl, became a hc with the chiefs and won the division
in my book, not a loser but a winner. you want a loser, morningway, mangini,caldwell,phillips. so why do we look or even at these losers. why not get best of breed in coaches, jon gruden, jeff fisher, spaqs is now the dc of the saints, and nolan is the dc for the falcons.these are good coaches compared to the list above . i can only say the oc’s that want to be a coach, cant be judged here because alot of them have never been an hc.
by sports with steve on Jan 19, 2012 5:25 PM PST up reply actions
i personaly hate todd haily
if ppl think hue was power hungry, they should read about haily. hes an egotistical prick.
agree with morningway, ,caldwell,phillips tho especially mangini hes backstabbing weasel.
by SmashmouthFB on Jan 19, 2012 6:15 PM PST up reply actions
Haley is whiny bitch
I can’t stand the guy. The Chiefs won the division last season because their schedule was one of the weakest I’ve ever seen. I think they beat a total of 1 team with a record over .500. That was the Chargers in week 1. Plus our whole division sucks so winning the division comes down to who can suck the least at this point.
False
“His” O was only successful with 2 HoFers playing catch. Warner audibled more than any QB in the NFL except for Peyton Manning in AZ. He and Haley hated each other, as did most of the other Cardinals.
His "division championship’ coincided with having coordinators who sported multiple Super Bowl Rings in Weis and Crennel. He ran Weis out of town and they went right back to sucking. Morhinweg is a more proven OC than Haley, and he also had the misfortune of being the HC when Millen was running the show in Detroit. Mangini was a playoff HC for the Jets. Caldwell has been to the Super Bowl as a Head Coach, and Phillips has coached multiple playoff teams in Denver, Buffalo, and Dallas.
I would only rank Haley above Morhinweg on this list of guys with HC experience, and it’s tenuous.
Todd Haley would be the worst coaching hire for the Raiders since Al brought back Art Shell.
we never retreat we always ATTACK!!!
by transparent58 on Jan 21, 2012 11:14 AM PST up reply actions
Saunders has been a Head Coach
from 86-88 he was the Chargers Head Coach.
we never retreat we always ATTACK!!!
damn i didnt realize that, i will fix it tomorrow when im at a computer.
Mine is toast and I just have my phone that doesn’t work properly for writing posts.
"We want to win. The Raider fans deserve it. The Raider players deserve it, even my organization deserves it. You have to win and you have to win with a vision for the Super Bowl. That's our passion here."--Al Davis
"Winning isn't everything, but wanting to win is."--Vince Lombardi
by Marcus Allen Krause on Jan 19, 2012 2:36 PM PST up reply actions
Long Wait
Although I expected this to drag out past the Super Bowl, It is still a long wait. I would be more comfortable with the HC either being a DC or OC. There is only one Madden. With the new direction of the Raiders this has to be a more attractive job now.
Seems to be so far
Coaches with other opportunities are actually interviewing and/ or interested in the job. That hasn’t been the case in the past, probably since Callahan was fired and Sean Payton was a possibility, though we ended up with Turner.
"Today I step into the shoes of a great man, a man by the name of Dwayne Elizondo Mountain Dew Herbert Camacho."
wr're bottom feeding for a reason, no up and coming coach is goikg to want to go HC for a team that runs through HC's like we do,
Come on now, 8 in 10 years!? So an up and coming coach wants to risk his job on a team that’s fired two 8-8 coach’s. We all know Davis is gone and things are different but everyone outside the fan base sees the same old raiders. It’s gonna take gruden to dig us out of this hole
by Dark Hole on Jan 19, 2012 2:44 PM PST via mobile reply actions
I would disagree with that assessment
A lot of that had to do with Al. Al would not give his head coach the control and input that HC’s have become used to in order to do their job. Al wanted someone to run the offense and a puppet to run his 50 year old D and most good HC candidates wouldn’t even consider talking to Al because they knew that was how it was going in. This is no longer the case because Al is gone and I think we have a good chance of getting a good coach.
"Just Win Baby" is not a philosophy, it is a way of life!
I would go with Philbin/Pagano as HC
Saunders as OC and Bowles/Moss as DC
by DopeRaider on Jan 19, 2012 3:12 PM PST via mobile reply actions
saunders?
Hmmm maybe. Id say bowles or moss.
"I'm not saying I'm gonna change the world, but I guarantee that I will spark the brain that will change the world." - Tupac Amaru Shakur
"The greatest hypnotist on the planet Earth is an oblong box in the corner in the room. It is constantly telling us what to believe is real. If you can persuade people that what they see with their eyes is what there is to see you've got them. Because they'll laugh in your face of an explanation then which portrays the big picture of what's happenin'
... and they have."
"Lots of people in America know that the system is fucked up. All of them know it. I think everybody in this country knows the government’s corrupt. They’re conscious of it, but they’re not gonna do a fucking thing about it. There are people that will, and me, I consider those people revolutionary"- Immortal Technique
by RaiderKilluminati on Jan 19, 2012 3:48 PM PST via mobile reply actions
Hc: moss.
Dc: bowles (hopefully)
Oc: saunders.
Thems be my predictions.
"I'm not saying I'm gonna change the world, but I guarantee that I will spark the brain that will change the world." - Tupac Amaru Shakur
"The greatest hypnotist on the planet Earth is an oblong box in the corner in the room. It is constantly telling us what to believe is real. If you can persuade people that what they see with their eyes is what there is to see you've got them. Because they'll laugh in your face of an explanation then which portrays the big picture of what's happenin'
... and they have."
"Lots of people in America know that the system is fucked up. All of them know it. I think everybody in this country knows the government’s corrupt. They’re conscious of it, but they’re not gonna do a fucking thing about it. There are people that will, and me, I consider those people revolutionary"- Immortal Technique
by RaiderKilluminati on Jan 19, 2012 3:54 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Reggie is running an intellitgence gathering operation. None of these guys are legitimate prospects but are good sources
of intell and insight as they represent teams that we played last year (during regular or preseason).
S-O-B: ITS HOW I ROLL, DEAL WITH IT.
"George Blanda ... I really believe he is the greatest clutch player in the history of this game." Al Davis
"Let no thing possess you that you do not dictate." Raymond St. Martin
I'm almost inclined to agree with you
but some the “candidates” also have a history with Reggie dating back to his early days in Green Bay. I said when HueJax got axed that people were making lazy associations with Reggie and the current coaching staff in Green Bay, since Reggie had been a part of that organization for 18 seasons…
I think he’s searching for the best match with what he wants to accomplish and re-acquainting himself with some coaches he worked with and respected from his past, as well.
we never retreat we always ATTACK!!!
by transparent58 on Jan 19, 2012 4:18 PM PST up reply actions
Except for Bowles
To have a 4 hr interview then get another scheduled, that leads in another direction.
Al Davis the Greatest Raider of all times... You will live forever in the hearts of true Raider fans...RIP
I see same MO as Al years....we twiddle thumbs as best get signed away...
Nolan & Williams are gone already.
I fear we end up in Tice & Morhingweg country….
The cowards never started, the weak died along the way....
by BlackHeartSilverEyes on Jan 21, 2012 10:59 AM PST up reply actions
I think he's biding his time
and wants a look at the Giants coordinators, along with Pagano, and maybe someone off the 9ers staff. There are still a lot of very good coaches coaching this weekend.
Nolan and Williams were dumpster fires as Head Coaches, though I would love to have either person run our defense. I also like Perry Fewell and Chuck Pagano as potential head coaches that bring someone off their staff in NY or B-more to run the defense. The sky ain’t falling just yet.
we never retreat we always ATTACK!!!
by transparent58 on Jan 21, 2012 11:18 AM PST up reply actions
Not those guys as HC's...my bust for not saying that...
I was thinking of DC.
The cowards never started, the weak died along the way....
by BlackHeartSilverEyes on Jan 21, 2012 11:36 AM PST up reply actions
Gotcha
I doubt we bring in an established coordinator at either position, which is why I want a current DC like Pagano (especially since he might be inclined to stick with Saunders at OC) or Fewell (who could pilfer Gilbride’s Offensive staff in NY) and focus on the defense.
we never retreat we always ATTACK!!!
by transparent58 on Jan 21, 2012 11:51 AM PST up reply actions
Who are you feeling for HC?
The cowards never started, the weak died along the way....
by BlackHeartSilverEyes on Jan 21, 2012 11:52 AM PST up reply actions
My list, in order:
1. Pagano
1a. Fewell
3. Gilbride
4. Fangio
Fewell and Pagano are defensive minded coaches that I think will retain a similar system on offense to what Hue and Saunders ran. They’re interchangable as 1 and 1a really, with Pagano getting a slight edge because he a 3-4 guy, and I thing our personnel favors the 3-4 on defense.
Gilbride is the only offensive coach on my list because I know Al was fond of him, and I like the way his offenses have played in NY.
Fangio is another 3-4 guy, and I really like what he’s done with 9er defense, even though saying so makes me violently ill. He drops on my list because he inherited a defense built for his scheme, and was able to get some key free agents in the secondary in Rogers and Whitner. I also mark him down because I think he brings in a West Coast Offensive Coordinator, which doesn’t suit our existing personnel and lengthens this process.
Let’s be honest here. Whoever comes in as the HC inherits an 8-8 team that nearly made the playoffs. The offense has explosive talent, and a good nucleus on the left side of the OL. The defense is a mess with a lot of high priced under achievers, but there’s still a lot to work with. I want a coach that will come in, fix the defense and leave the offense as close to what it is as possible, and I think we can win the AFC West with a coach that does this…
we never retreat we always ATTACK!!!
by transparent58 on Jan 21, 2012 12:09 PM PST up reply actions
Good argument....I'm still fence sitting.
I just dont want another Hue….enough self promoters and celeb types….I want a Coughlin type of guy. Old school but can accept innovation; disciplined and doesnt accept bullshit.
The cowards never started, the weak died along the way....
by BlackHeartSilverEyes on Jan 21, 2012 12:13 PM PST up reply actions
I wouldn't have minded Hue staying
because I liked what he did with the offense. I don’t mind self promotion, so long as you deliver. I would have been interested to see what Hue did with the defensive coordinator position, as he’s already on record that he wanted a to bring in his own DC. The lack of discipline was troubling, but a full off season could have helped him and his staff correct some of those issues.
That said, we’ll never really know, but I’ve wanted a defensive minded coach to run the show for a long time…
we never retreat we always ATTACK!!!
by transparent58 on Jan 21, 2012 12:58 PM PST up reply actions
Yea...defense...almost forgot what it was in 2011...
The cowards never started, the weak died along the way....
by BlackHeartSilverEyes on Jan 21, 2012 1:08 PM PST up reply actions
what a great post!
i voted for kevin gilbride he is avery detailed oc that i liked in the past. second i like todd bowles i like his demeanor
I voted for Gilbride too
He likes to run the ball and you know that’s our strength on O, he’s experienced success in this league, has a SB ring and he fought Buddy Ryan lol
May this not occur...
Al Davis the Greatest Raider of all times... You will live forever in the hearts of true Raider fans...RIP
No shit....
That would be like asking a woman to reuse a tampon!
The cowards never started, the weak died along the way....
by BlackHeartSilverEyes on Jan 21, 2012 11:39 AM PST up reply actions
Oakland isnt bleeding that bad....
The cowards never started, the weak died along the way....
by BlackHeartSilverEyes on Jan 21, 2012 12:14 PM PST up reply actions
i know theres still some decent options out there
but the clock is ticking. Irsay said the colts will have their coach on the next few days so the pool is getting smaller
Scroll upthread and scope my chat with Transparent58. He makes a good point.
The cowards never started, the weak died along the way....
by BlackHeartSilverEyes on Jan 21, 2012 12:21 PM PST up reply actions
I went with DelRio
The guy is all about discipline and execution. Jacks defenses have always been sound, Linebacker will finally be a strength for us.
"These type of games are why you do what you do in February, March, April, May when nobody is watching," "It's why you stay up late at night watching film. This is why you do that, to be prepared....Carson Palmer
I'd like him for the DC job,
but not for Head Coach
"Now I know what your thinking, did he fire six shots or only five. Ive forgotten myself in all this excitement, but being that this is the 44 magnum, the most powerful handgun in the world and could blow your head clean off, you have to ask your question. Do I feel lucky? Well do ya punk!"
Dirty Harry Callahan
I tried to make Mike the DC
Hue Jackson
by Hue Jackson (StL OC) on Jan 19, 2012 8:59 PM PST up reply actions
go away fake Hue troll
shouldn’t you be looking for a job anyway
by SmashmouthFB on Jan 19, 2012 9:49 PM PST up reply actions
Ya!!...And What The Hell Makes You Think Your The StL "OC"????
Your “Crystal Balls” tell you so???
"Tebowphobe"!!!
by PantyRaider on Jan 19, 2012 10:20 PM PST up reply actions
I actually voted Chudsindski.
He seems like an overlooked prospect that may end up being the best of the bunch. I watched a few of the games and it wasn’t all Cam being forced out of the pocket and making broken plays into big ones kind of like McCoy and Tebow with the Broncos for example. He handled their two-back system brilliantly and neither seemed to be a distraction or selfish. Also the fact his development of Cam Newton without a true training camp could make Carson Palmer look much better in year two as an Oakland Raider. Of course I am still hoping for a defensive-minded guy since that seems to be the most urgent need right now.
Trust No One
Studies show stress can kill you, but don't worry about it.
"Talent without discipline is like an octopus on roller skates. There's plenty of movement, but you never know if it's going to be forward, backwards, or sideways."
— H. Jackson Brown, Jr.
Perry Fewell & Reggie McKenzie
Sadly, they have been used as the guys to satisfy the Rooney Rule in recent years.
It’s time to hire both talented guys.
Absolutely
"We want to win. The Raider fans deserve it. The Raider players deserve it, even my organization deserves it. You have to win and you have to win with a vision for the Super Bowl. That's our passion here."--Al Davis
"Winning isn't everything, but wanting to win is."--Vince Lombardi
by Marcus Allen Krause on Jan 19, 2012 7:46 PM PST up reply actions
I like your thinking
I wouldn’t hate that move, and bring in W. Moss to run the D.
we never retreat we always ATTACK!!!
by transparent58 on Jan 21, 2012 11:20 AM PST up reply actions
Chuck Pagano is interesting
Chuck was a DB coach back in 06’ over here right? He did some good things in Cleveland with their secondary too. In one season at Baltimore he made the unit pretty damn good. He seems to have a nice history on D, especially in the secondary (which as I recall, is a huge issue for us). Maybe him and Del Rio as the DC. We could stop the run and the pass and be an actual defense for once. He is an interesting coach to me. I shall await the fate of the Ravens before I ponder this any more.
by lakers007raiders on Jan 19, 2012 6:51 PM PST reply actions
Hey MAK
what about Vic Fangio…the niners DC, that guy is a defensive mind and a half and has that “D” playing out of this world.
"Now I know what your thinking, did he fire six shots or only five. Ive forgotten myself in all this excitement, but being that this is the 44 magnum, the most powerful handgun in the world and could blow your head clean off, you have to ask your question. Do I feel lucky? Well do ya punk!"
Dirty Harry Callahan
I don't hate this move, either.
we never retreat we always ATTACK!!!
by transparent58 on Jan 21, 2012 11:20 AM PST up reply actions
Apparently Steve Spagnuolo
has signed on to be the New Orleans DC, so he’s off our list too.
That pisses me off. 1st Nolan and now Spags that only leaves Del Rio from my original list of DC’s I wanted for us.
"Now I know what your thinking, did he fire six shots or only five. Ive forgotten myself in all this excitement, but being that this is the 44 magnum, the most powerful handgun in the world and could blow your head clean off, you have to ask your question. Do I feel lucky? Well do ya punk!"
Dirty Harry Callahan
I am beginning to think it is a mistake to be interviewing so many.
In the meantime, the best coaches are being signed elsewhere. Reggie does not have to interview everyone on the planet to find a good coach.
by RaiderPsycho on Jan 19, 2012 8:17 PM PST up reply actions
True,
but maybe not having our head coach yet has to do with wanting to interview coaches still unavailable. i.e. still playing for the big prize.
While we wait on that, the popular choices for the other coaching jobs are being snatched up, but we really need the "right " man to steer this ship and though we may not like it Reggie does need to find a Holmgren to his Wolf and apparently he has not found that guy so far.
So wait we will, with baited breath for Reggie to make the most important decision he’ll make as the Raider GM
"Now I know what your thinking, did he fire six shots or only five. Ive forgotten myself in all this excitement, but being that this is the 44 magnum, the most powerful handgun in the world and could blow your head clean off, you have to ask your question. Do I feel lucky? Well do ya punk!"
Dirty Harry Callahan
Well spags signed wit the saints
"I'm not saying I'm gonna change the world, but I guarantee that I will spark the brain that will change the world." - Tupac Amaru Shakur
"The greatest hypnotist on the planet Earth is an oblong box in the corner in the room. It is constantly telling us what to believe is real. If you can persuade people that what they see with their eyes is what there is to see you've got them. Because they'll laugh in your face of an explanation then which portrays the big picture of what's happenin'
... and they have."
"Lots of people in America know that the system is fucked up. All of them know it. I think everybody in this country knows the government’s corrupt. They’re conscious of it, but they’re not gonna do a fucking thing about it. There are people that will, and me, I consider those people revolutionary"- Immortal Technique
by RaiderKilluminati on Jan 19, 2012 9:05 PM PST via mobile reply actions
Never mind someone already posted that!
"I'm not saying I'm gonna change the world, but I guarantee that I will spark the brain that will change the world." - Tupac Amaru Shakur
"The greatest hypnotist on the planet Earth is an oblong box in the corner in the room. It is constantly telling us what to believe is real. If you can persuade people that what they see with their eyes is what there is to see you've got them. Because they'll laugh in your face of an explanation then which portrays the big picture of what's happenin'
... and they have."
"Lots of people in America know that the system is fucked up. All of them know it. I think everybody in this country knows the government’s corrupt. They’re conscious of it, but they’re not gonna do a fucking thing about it. There are people that will, and me, I consider those people revolutionary"- Immortal Technique
by RaiderKilluminati on Jan 19, 2012 9:07 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Uh
Cam Cameron—Cam Cameron has been a head coach before for the Washington Redskins and was anything but successful.
No. That was the Dolphins. But yes, he was anything but successful. He’ll always be remembered for this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jN3H6Gc3_SE&feature=related
No mikev, no peace
Know mikev, know peace
Cam was also the HC
at Indiana. One good thing about Cameron is he would likely retain Al Saunders as OC.
I also think Cameron got a raw deal in Miami. Everyone says our Raiders were a dysfunctional organization, but Miami has been complete dog shit since Shula retired. Jimmy Johnson couldn’t get them right. Bill Parcells couldn’t get them right.
Still, I don’t think Cameron, or really any offensive minded coach is our answer at HC. I want someone to come in and build a defense like Baltimore or (puke) San Fransisco’s.
we never retreat we always ATTACK!!!
by transparent58 on Jan 21, 2012 11:24 AM PST up reply actions
Rob Chudzinski Did Not Make Your List But This Was Regarding The Indy "HC" Search:
Rob Chudzinski…Age 43
Rob Chudzinski followed head coach Ron Rivera from the San Diego Chargers to Carolina to be the Panthers’ offensive coordinator. In 17 previous seasons as an NFL and college assistant, he has had success leading offenses and earned a reputation for developing tight ends.
The guy I go out and get is Rob Chudzinski. He turned Derek Anderson into a Pro Bowler in Cleveland and helped make Cam Newton into a superstar in his rookie season. There’s no one with a better resume that’s available for Indianapolis. I go get him now before someone else snaps him up. I believe you have to keep getting your franchise QB help in the draft with weapons, but you have to also get him the coaching help to succeed as well.
He went on to play college football at the University of Miami from 1986–1990, winning a national championship with the Canes in 1987, and again in 1989. He was a three-year starter at tight end for Miami.
2009-2010 San Diego Chargers
(Tight ends coach/Assistant head coach)
2011-present Carolina Panthers
(Offensive coordinator)
In 2007, Chudzinski was named the offensive coordinator of the Cleveland Browns.2 That year the Browns ranked eighth overall on offense, sent 4 offensive players to the Pro Bowl, and finished 2nd in the AFC North with a record of 10-6, their most wins since 1994.
"Tebowphobe"!!!
Well A Good Coach Can Enhance A Player's Talents...A Bad One Makes Them Look Like A Bust!!!
As with anything it always takes 2 or more to make anything look good and work…Even more so in a team sport like football…
Take my Raiders for an instance in this regards…Shell II had a team that had some talented players but under his hand they all looked like warmed over shit wrapped up in stale rancid burritos smothered in minstrel juices
LoL!!…But look what No-Moss did under the hand of “BellyCheat” who could actually coach!!!
"Tebowphobe"!!!
What about a coach with a winning record, a Superbowl trophy, and.......
Not a current coach in the NFL?
Yes Brian Billick is still available.
He has a winning record, 85-67
a Superbowl Ring 2000 with less talent than the Raiders have now.
And the price on him should have dropped quite a bit after not coaching for the past 5 years.
He was a great OC for the Vikes and was a pretty good HC in B-more.
Everyone has a plan 'till they get punched in the mouth.
-Mike Tyson
Yeah, he never lived up to the Offensive Genius tag
as a Head Coach, but he won, and knew how to play to the strength of his team. He was also smart enough to have Marvin Lewis and Mike Nolan run his defenses…
I like watching him break down film and do color for Fox. The guy knows his X’s and O’s. With the right personnel department, he can put a championship team on the field.
we never retreat we always ATTACK!!!
by transparent58 on Jan 21, 2012 11:27 AM PST up reply actions
Billick under contract...
Billick is under a contract with The NFL Channel! He has not expressed any interest to get back into Coaching as of late. He was a complete idiot to the media during his Superbowl reign and the Ray Lewis double murder case. Although his meltdowns did lead to his Championship with Dilfer as Quarterback! So we know he is great with Defensive strategies, just not sure about his offensive prowlness. Not right for the Raiders I say… RAIDER Jon -Just Win Baby
W. Moss should be the Frontrunner!
>Winston Moss has been said many times to be the front runner for the job.
“I agree, he is a RAIDER! Plus look at the man and coaching records. He should be all around the frontrunner! So I say, interview everyone else, then bring in Moss and offer him the job if he works into our system the best! RAIDER John -Just Win Baby
With The #17 Pick In The 2012 NFL Draft The -Raiders-
17. Kendall Wright, WR, Baylor: The most explosive receiver in the draft played a major role in RG3’s rise to prominence at Baylor with his big-play ability.
This is possibly what we gave up this season for Palmer…
"Tebowphobe"!!!
If we had a 1st round pick, I doubt we'd spend it on another WR
We’ve done well in the last rounds with WRs and have so many other areas that need huge improvements at this point.
He Was The 17th Rated Pick In This Draft Class...That's Why I Posted It...Not For Who We Would Take!!
It’s the value of that pick!!!
"Tebowphobe"!!!
DHB was the seventh pick overall
Do you see that value in that pick? No. He turned himself into a respectable receiver, but he was hardly worth spending such a high draft pick on.
The point is the draft is a lottery, sometimes you hit, sometimes you don’t.
If Carson doesn’t prove out for us it will have been a bad deal, if he leads us to the playoffs it doesn’t look like such a bad deal and if he leads us to the Super Bowl…well that’s what it’s all about now isn’t it.
"Now I know what your thinking, did he fire six shots or only five. Ive forgotten myself in all this excitement, but being that this is the 44 magnum, the most powerful handgun in the world and could blow your head clean off, you have to ask your question. Do I feel lucky? Well do ya punk!"
Dirty Harry Callahan
But no one had DHB in their top talent wise
Everyone agreed it was a huge reach by Davis.
Well what about.................................
HE WHO SHALL NOT BE NAMED. Everyone loved his arm and size coming out of LSU. Too bad no one saw him for the lazy fatass that he was. All that I am saying with that is the draft is all fine and dandy,but I put far more value on free agency. At least with free agency you can see how the athlete performs at the pro level and if he is worth the money (e.g. Aaron Curry).
Plenty of people saw red flags with Russell
Even Kiffen didn’t want the guy. He wanted Calvin Johnson. But yeah, I put a bit more in FA too. The draft is certainly a crap shoot.
No, from a raw talent standpoint
DHB was near the top of everyone’s list. His size/speed combination was off the charts. His only question mark was his hands. Most “experts” had him projected as a late first/early second rounder. Those same experts had Hakeem Nicks in the same category.
Nicks has been the best WR from that class…the only “draft expert” I give any credence to is Mike Mayock. The ESPN guys are jokes.
DHB was a reach, but he wasn’t the HUGE reach everyone makes him out to be. Mike Mitchell, on the other hand was a big reach in the 2nd, though we weren’t only team that had Mitchell rated way higher than Kiper and co. The Bears were going to take him either late 2nd or early 3rd and we didn’t have a 3rd rounder that year.
Al never really gave a shit what the analysts thought of his picks. He took a relative unknown OL from a relative unknown college named Texas A&I with the 17th pick in 1967 draft. People thought he was crazy. That OL was Gene Upshaw. Art Shell was another smaller school kid from Maryland State. Howie Long played at Villanova.
Just like his football philosophy, Al didn’t draft the players that his opponent gave to him, he drafted the players he WANTED. Every team has bad drafts, or wasted picks, anyway.
we never retreat we always ATTACK!!!
by transparent58 on Jan 21, 2012 11:38 AM PST up reply actions
Projected Late 1st to 2nd round by mel kiper
"I'm not saying I'm gonna change the world, but I guarantee that I will spark the brain that will change the world." - Tupac Amaru Shakur
"The greatest hypnotist on the planet Earth is an oblong box in the corner in the room. It is constantly telling us what to believe is real. If you can persuade people that what they see with their eyes is what there is to see you've got them. Because they'll laugh in your face of an explanation then which portrays the big picture of what's happenin'
... and they have."
"Lots of people in America know that the system is fucked up. All of them know it. I think everybody in this country knows the government’s corrupt. They’re conscious of it, but they’re not gonna do a fucking thing about it. There are people that will, and me, I consider those people revolutionary"- Immortal Technique
by RaiderKilluminati on Jan 20, 2012 1:26 PM PST up reply actions
still remember the crap the draft “experts” gave the Raiders as soon as they drafted him. Chris Carter especially. He and the others will eat their words one day…
"I'm not saying I'm gonna change the world, but I guarantee that I will spark the brain that will change the world." - Tupac Amaru Shakur
"The greatest hypnotist on the planet Earth is an oblong box in the corner in the room. It is constantly telling us what to believe is real. If you can persuade people that what they see with their eyes is what there is to see you've got them. Because they'll laugh in your face of an explanation then which portrays the big picture of what's happenin'
... and they have."
"Lots of people in America know that the system is fucked up. All of them know it. I think everybody in this country knows the government’s corrupt. They’re conscious of it, but they’re not gonna do a fucking thing about it. There are people that will, and me, I consider those people revolutionary"- Immortal Technique
by RaiderKilluminati on Jan 20, 2012 1:28 PM PST up reply actions
did they?
hi stats are almost similar to dhbs but overall he has done better. He was picked after. DHB had more yards last season but crabs had 10 more catches and DHB 100 more yards, but in terms of how much better they were saying crabs is then yeah they are eating everything they ever SAID!!! haha
"I'm not saying I'm gonna change the world, but I guarantee that I will spark the brain that will change the world." - Tupac Amaru Shakur
"The greatest hypnotist on the planet Earth is an oblong box in the corner in the room. It is constantly telling us what to believe is real. If you can persuade people that what they see with their eyes is what there is to see you've got them. Because they'll laugh in your face of an explanation then which portrays the big picture of what's happenin'
... and they have."
"Lots of people in America know that the system is fucked up. All of them know it. I think everybody in this country knows the government’s corrupt. They’re conscious of it, but they’re not gonna do a fucking thing about it. There are people that will, and me, I consider those people revolutionary"- Immortal Technique
by RaiderKilluminati on Jan 20, 2012 1:38 PM PST up reply actions
yeah that too
"I'm not saying I'm gonna change the world, but I guarantee that I will spark the brain that will change the world." - Tupac Amaru Shakur
"The greatest hypnotist on the planet Earth is an oblong box in the corner in the room. It is constantly telling us what to believe is real. If you can persuade people that what they see with their eyes is what there is to see you've got them. Because they'll laugh in your face of an explanation then which portrays the big picture of what's happenin'
... and they have."
"Lots of people in America know that the system is fucked up. All of them know it. I think everybody in this country knows the government’s corrupt. They’re conscious of it, but they’re not gonna do a fucking thing about it. There are people that will, and me, I consider those people revolutionary"- Immortal Technique
by RaiderKilluminati on Jan 20, 2012 1:55 PM PST up reply actions
best WR in that draft wears 88
for the Giants. I said it then, and I’ll say it again. Hakeem Nicks was the most pro-ready WR in that draft. Crabtree, for all his stats was a project and a diva. DHB was probably the best athlete in the entire draft, but he needed work on his hands.
He’s improved every season, and I think a healthy DHB has a break out season in 2012.
we never retreat we always ATTACK!!!
by transparent58 on Jan 21, 2012 11:40 AM PST up reply actions
I'm Just Posting The Apparent Value Of The Pick We Gave Up....Nothing More Than That!!
Not saying it was worth it or wasn’t worth it…Just a comparative appraisal of the 17th pick in this draft class…Hell you can look at everything from #17 to #24 and figure that’s in that value range depending upon the position you desire…But to value it about the projected value of the 17th is unreasoning…Right??
So when folks start crying about not having that pick and wht it could have been there needs to be a top valuation…This is the top valuation according to NFL.com but what the hell do they know???
"Tebowphobe"!!!
by PantyRaider on Jan 20, 2012 10:27 AM PST up reply actions
Palmer leads us to a Super Bowl
we’ll be reading all off season, about Hue back-tracking his backtracking of that it was Mark that was the instigater to that trade or would that be that Hue was the key to that trade.
He would have been awesome running deep routes
With JC checking it down to myers after glancing downfield for .01 second
by lchristmas on Jan 20, 2012 4:33 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
because he couldn't
Campbell’s accuracy was within 20 yards. Anything over that, he was all over the place. Palmer was much better in the vertical game, but Palmer was also more careless in the shots he took down the field, too.
While I’m no huge Campbell fan, I think we’d still playing had he not gotten hurt. The direction of the team, and the “bully” mentality was there with 8 under center. When Palmer came in we became more bombs away, and put more pressure on our defense.
Just my opinion, of course.
we never retreat we always ATTACK!!!
by transparent58 on Jan 21, 2012 11:44 AM PST up reply actions
Pretty disappointed to see Brian Dawkins get an invite to the Pro Bowl over Branch
Dawkins has had a great career no doubt but Branch had a superior season and actually played the whole season as well.
Congrats on Condo making the Pro Bowl roster once again.
You know what would make a good story? Something about a clown who makes people happy, but inside he's real sad. Also, he has severe diarrhea.
Nonsense
How did Dawkins get an invite when he made only 51 tackles with a forced fumble; Branch had 109 tackles and an interception.
Because the Pro Bowl is a joke?
Caps lock is not cruise control for cool.
by ROFLCOPTER16 on Jan 20, 2012 9:43 AM PST up reply actions
becuase the fans choose who gos. its a popularity contest not a "whos the best" contest
by SmashmouthFB on Jan 20, 2012 10:31 AM PST up reply actions
The NFL Was Pimping Freakin Tebow To Make It But Failed!!!
Talk about lowering the bar…A below 50% passer should make the “PB”???…Ludicrous!!!
"Tebowphobe"!!!
by PantyRaider on Jan 20, 2012 10:55 AM PST up reply actions
31.6
completion average; is Raiders vertical passing game. Tebow would be an excellent Raider; run-run, pass down-field.
- 1,000,000
that bible thumper can kiss my ass
DON’T FORGET ABOUT TERREL PRYOR. even if he isnt that good he will still be better rhan tebust
by SmashmouthFB on Jan 20, 2012 1:50 PM PST up reply actions
The Bible Thumper That Can't Thump That Big Tits Chick???....LoL!!!
Must be another one of those Electronic Clergy like Jimmy Swagert/Baker who stroked it with a whore watching so they could claim their righteousness was still in tact!!!…Until she told the whole world what they were paying her to do…Ha!! ha!!…That joke was in their hands!!!
That must be the reality of “Tebowing”!!!….Pimping your virginity while stroking!!!
"Tebowphobe"!!!
"Steelers assistant Arians retiring after five-year tenure"....One More "OC" Job Added To The Mix!!!
Pittsburgh Steelers coach Mike Tomlin says offensive coordinator Bruce Arians is retiring from coaching.
Meanwhile Out In OakTown Reggie Is Doing Things The Raider Way…Slowly!!!
Raiders | Not in rush to find next head coach
Fri, 20 Jan 2012 07:10:41 -0800
Oakland Raiders general manager Reggie McKenzie has interviews for the team’s head coaching vacancy scheduled for next week, an indication that there is no rush to make a hire.
"Tebowphobe"!!!
We're probably the only ones in rush to make a hire
Then again, watching the grass grow and the paint dry gets old after awhile.
Reminds me of my only time hunting
In high school visiting some friends in Missourah. They tell me, “Now you take this rifle and sit by that trail. That’s a regular deer highway. You just wait there, and you’ll see about a million of them.” Sat there for about 5-6 hours I think. Didn’t see a living creature that wasn’t a member of the plant kingdom.
LoL!!!...Some Are Just Natural Born Hunters And Some Are Not!!!...That Game Comes To Whom They Choose!!

I have also had a similar experience up in Montana…Missoula as a matter of fact…Road around with the Boyz on the dirt road in an old beat up International Scout seeing at least 100 elk critters and them telling me tomorrow night they will get me mine…Ya! Right…Tomorrow there wasn’t an elk or dear in sight…Someone must have tipped them all off that I was there and hungry for the kill because they stayed the hell away…Than all I heard was how this city boy couldn’t even get him a dear…LoL!!!

"Tebowphobe"!!!
And we put on that nasty deer musk and everything
Still nothing. Though in later years, came to realize just seeing them walking around, they mostly come at twilight, whereas we were out there early in the morning, but probably not early enough.
Hell We Preped The Area 1st With Salt-Licks Near The Water Source...
Had a real nice blind set up at an elevated site so we could view a wide area…Than we left our dirt bikes about a mile away and packed in around 2am so we could be ready for 1st light….They freakin knew we were there!!!!
"Tebowphobe"!!!
I'm Begaining To Think It's The Nitates???
When ya go up without any weapons they just walk around like nothing’s to worry about…Then when your packing their hiding!!!…So either they can sense your vibe (Intentions) or they can smell the gun powder???
"Tebowphobe"!!!
Smokers also don't always get luck hunting or fishing
They smell you first…
Al Davis the Greatest Raider of all times... You will live forever in the hearts of true Raider fans...RIP
No rush is great news.
off season is long, Reggie still needs to evaluate talent, make trades, release players, sign players, set up a draft board; and realize the team is probably moving to LA.
Santa Clara
I would rather have them in Santa Clara. I believe part of the LA stadium deal includes part ownership in the team.
by Mallard Davis on Jan 20, 2012 1:00 PM PST up reply actions
Definitely would prefer the shared Santa Clara staduim to a move back to LA
Hopefully that deal works out so they can stick around the area and remain the Oakland Raiders.
The Santa Clara Raiders?
Doesn’t have a good ring to it.
Everyone has a plan 'till they get punched in the mouth.
-Mike Tyson
It's not like they'd change their name if they moved to Santa Clara
The New York Giants and New York Jets play in New Jersey, so I’ve no doubt they’d remain the Oakland Raiders if they remained in the Bay Area and moved just a few miles down the road.
SOPA act was PODTPONED not cancelled. It ain’t over yet….
"I'm not saying I'm gonna change the world, but I guarantee that I will spark the brain that will change the world." - Tupac Amaru Shakur
"The greatest hypnotist on the planet Earth is an oblong box in the corner in the room. It is constantly telling us what to believe is real. If you can persuade people that what they see with their eyes is what there is to see you've got them. Because they'll laugh in your face of an explanation then which portrays the big picture of what's happenin'
... and they have."
"Lots of people in America know that the system is fucked up. All of them know it. I think everybody in this country knows the government’s corrupt. They’re conscious of it, but they’re not gonna do a fucking thing about it. There are people that will, and me, I consider those people revolutionary"- Immortal Technique
by RaiderKilluminati on Jan 20, 2012 1:33 PM PST reply actions
*Postponed
"I'm not saying I'm gonna change the world, but I guarantee that I will spark the brain that will change the world." - Tupac Amaru Shakur
"The greatest hypnotist on the planet Earth is an oblong box in the corner in the room. It is constantly telling us what to believe is real. If you can persuade people that what they see with their eyes is what there is to see you've got them. Because they'll laugh in your face of an explanation then which portrays the big picture of what's happenin'
... and they have."
"Lots of people in America know that the system is fucked up. All of them know it. I think everybody in this country knows the government’s corrupt. They’re conscious of it, but they’re not gonna do a fucking thing about it. There are people that will, and me, I consider those people revolutionary"- Immortal Technique
by RaiderKilluminati on Jan 20, 2012 1:33 PM PST up reply actions
Raiders call report ‘untrue’ about McKenzie hire — UPDATED
Raiders new general manager Reggie McKenzie is busy scouring the countryside for a head coach to take the place of the fired Hue Jackson. The Raiders issued a statement saying it is "untrue" that McKenzie hired Sean Jones as his assistant general manager.
PackerReport.com said earlier today that McKenzie hired Jones. The Raiders wasted little time debunking the report.
Jones, 49, played for the Raiders from 1984-87. He finished his career with a three-year stint with the Green Bay Packers. Coincidentally, those were McKenzie’s first three years with the Packers in their front office.
Jones has worked in the Raiders front office in the past.
"Tebowphobe"!!!
"JC" Speculations???
Raiders | Jason Campbell unlikely to return
Fri, 20 Jan 2012 12:58:58 -0800
The Oakland Raiders likely will not re-sign impending free-agent QB Jason Campbell this offseason because he will be looking for an opportunity to start next season.
"Tebowphobe"!!!
The torching part
our new DC may or may not have something to say about that, but the Chiefs would be fools not to try and upgrade from Orton and Cassell.
A bummer, but not totally unexpected
K.C. already has Cassel and Orton, why would they need another mediocre QB?
Besides JC wants to start, he’ll go somewhere where he has an easy shot to be the starter.
"Now I know what your thinking, did he fire six shots or only five. Ive forgotten myself in all this excitement, but being that this is the 44 magnum, the most powerful handgun in the world and could blow your head clean off, you have to ask your question. Do I feel lucky? Well do ya punk!"
Dirty Harry Callahan
Agree with Smashmouth
Until he proves himself to be something different he’s mediocre and therefore about the same as the other two
"Now I know what your thinking, did he fire six shots or only five. Ive forgotten myself in all this excitement, but being that this is the 44 magnum, the most powerful handgun in the world and could blow your head clean off, you have to ask your question. Do I feel lucky? Well do ya punk!"
Dirty Harry Callahan
Where would Campbell be a starter?
Any clue?
Minnesota? Back to Washington? Miami?
Seattle? Jacksonville?
Wherever Hue goes to as another team’s OC?
Everyone has a plan 'till they get punched in the mouth.
-Mike Tyson
He's a starter if the create a new franchise other than that hes just ordinary
Minnesota has Webb and Ponder
Seattle has Tavaris Jackson who played pretty good for them
Jacksonville is invested in Gabbert and he played better down the stretch
JC has no place to start w/o injury he’s really not a coveted piece by any team.
Al Davis the Greatest Raider of all times... You will live forever in the hearts of true Raider fans...RIP
The Rat doesn't want him...
Al Davis the Greatest Raider of all times... You will live forever in the hearts of true Raider fans...RIP
There are some QBs in this draft for them they have a first and our third they can get one if they want
Al Davis the Greatest Raider of all times... You will live forever in the hearts of true Raider fans...RIP
Dolphins choose Packers OC Philbin as head coach...FuckYou McCoy!!!...LoL!!
Well that’s one “GB” assistant off the table!!!
"Tebowphobe"!!!
Awesome for him! He deserves the chance, I was hoping we would have a shot at him though. I think he will be successful.
It also eliminates Bowles from their job and might make him be willing to take our DC job if he doesnt get the HC.
"We want to win. The Raider fans deserve it. The Raider players deserve it, even my organization deserves it. You have to win and you have to win with a vision for the Super Bowl. That's our passion here."--Al Davis
"Winning isn't everything, but wanting to win is."--Vince Lombardi
by Marcus Allen Krause on Jan 20, 2012 4:18 PM PST up reply actions
Raiders conduct interview with Eagles OC Mornhinweg
Eagles offensive coordinator Marty Mornhinweg’s interview for the Oakland Raiders’ head-coaching vacancy was scheduled to take place Friday, according to league sources.
"Tebowphobe"!!!
Man do I not want this guy!
although he made enough rookie mistakes with the Lions to make Hue look like
Bill Walsh
"Now I know what your thinking, did he fire six shots or only five. Ive forgotten myself in all this excitement, but being that this is the 44 magnum, the most powerful handgun in the world and could blow your head clean off, you have to ask your question. Do I feel lucky? Well do ya punk!"
Dirty Harry Callahan
Colts interview Titans assistant Perry; Childress up next?
Looks like Indy is targeting a whole different group than us???
"Tebowphobe"!!!
Or at least have the decency to leak some fake rumors to get us talking until a decision is actually made.
There’s so little to talk about right now…
Maybe we could look at UDFA's from last year LOL!
or free agent linebackers like I do every year for us.
But really until Reggie picks our new head coach I’m not sure what systems we’ll run so it’s hard to zero in on anybody specific.
"Now I know what your thinking, did he fire six shots or only five. Ive forgotten myself in all this excitement, but being that this is the 44 magnum, the most powerful handgun in the world and could blow your head clean off, you have to ask your question. Do I feel lucky? Well do ya punk!"
Dirty Harry Callahan
what will/should happen at wr?
DHB, Ford, and Moore are locks to stay. Chaz and Housh are FAs. I say Reggie let’s em both go. Murphy: I don’t know… maybe traded? I think Eddie Mcghee will be promoted. Maybe Murph stays. Sign a FA WR. Lure in Stevie Johnson or Mario Manningham. I don’t believe Reggie will bring in an expensive WR, so maybe Mario Manningham? Stevie Johnson would be cool and YEAH I know about his stupid penalties, but he’s a good player.
"I'm not saying I'm gonna change the world, but I guarantee that I will spark the brain that will change the world." - Tupac Amaru Shakur
"The greatest hypnotist on the planet Earth is an oblong box in the corner in the room. It is constantly telling us what to believe is real. If you can persuade people that what they see with their eyes is what there is to see you've got them. Because they'll laugh in your face of an explanation then which portrays the big picture of what's happenin'
... and they have."
"Lots of people in America know that the system is fucked up. All of them know it. I think everybody in this country knows the government’s corrupt. They’re conscious of it, but they’re not gonna do a fucking thing about it. There are people that will, and me, I consider those people revolutionary"- Immortal Technique
by RaiderKilluminati on Jan 20, 2012 5:03 PM PST via mobile reply actions
we defiantly dont wont anymore stupid penalties
both of those WRs will want bigger pay checks then we can pay them and for that matter more than they deserve.
by SmashmouthFB on Jan 20, 2012 6:39 PM PST up reply actions
Kick douche' to the curb.
Al Davis the Greatest Raider of all times... You will live forever in the hearts of true Raider fans...RIP
I felt Hue brought in the Douche'r for Palmer to have familiarity with since the WR's were in JC's corner
The fact we cut Hagan for Douche’ was a bad football decision.
Al Davis the Greatest Raider of all times... You will live forever in the hearts of true Raider fans...RIP
two out of three
Moore is the only lock [unless another team offers a first round for him]- that’s not going to happen;
Ford or DHB are neo-locks, as I could see Reggie trading either one for a 2nd round pick which teams might offer.
Murphy, Chaz, TJ only one of these will return at the most.
Wayne, Colston, Manningham- there are many quality WRs on the FA market.
If we could get a real WR's coach, we are good with what we got.
Sanjay Lal was so bad Nnamdi took it upon himself to help DHB.
What’s wrong with Timmy teaching these guy’s some juke moves to get open.
"These type of games are why you do what you do in February, March, April, May when nobody is watching," "It's why you stay up late at night watching film. This is why you do that, to be prepared....Carson Palmer
Tim Brown will not coach for the Raiders in my lifetime!
Al Davis the Greatest Raider of all times... You will live forever in the hearts of true Raider fans...RIP
Pimp it all you want.
It won’t happen… go back to the celebration of life for Mr. Davis was Tim Brown on that field at half time?
I think there was a list of exclusions left by Mr. Davis Tim is on that list…
Al Davis the Greatest Raider of all times... You will live forever in the hearts of true Raider fans...RIP
Hey, I spent my life growing up loving the Raiders
Tim Brown gave it all out there on the field for our team and no one played harder to help us win. Tim Brown was one of the greatest raiders of all time. Making a statement like that shows what a friggin idiot you are.
"These type of games are why you do what you do in February, March, April, May when nobody is watching," "It's why you stay up late at night watching film. This is why you do that, to be prepared....Carson Palmer
Just cause you watched Tim Brown does not make me an idiot...
I got 40 years following this team.
Tim Brown is not one of the greatest Raiders of all time. He doesn’t even make the top fucking 10!
Al Davis the Greatest Raider of all times... You will live forever in the hearts of true Raider fans...RIP
Timmy Was A Quality Player For The Raiders And A very Cosistant Producer...
He has earned and deserves his credit…There are others who can be flanged for shitting on my team like Marcus Allen but to this point Timmy is NOT one of them…
"Tebowphobe"!!!
He was a quality player but....
Look at the relationship he has had with the organization since he retired. He has not been invited or allowed on the premises since the day he retired.
Was Mr. Davis in attendance his retirement? Nope Amie Trask handled it all. Those are the things I look at. It says there is something there.
Al Davis the Greatest Raider of all times... You will live forever in the hearts of true Raider fans...RIP
Tim Brown not one of the top Raiders of all time?
I don’t think I have anything else to say to you, sir, because I couldn’t disagree with that statement more.
He was with the team for 15 years. Maybe he had a falling out with Davis near the end, I don’t know, but Al Davis had falling outs with lots of people. He was a notorious pain in the ass to work with and wasn’t making the best decisions near the end (though things were finally starting to turn around at the very end).
Above All Else Mr Davis Demanded Loyalty...Not Everyone Can Live By That...
The Marcus Allan types for an instance…Than there’s that Sapp and his kind…
While I’m not aware of what it was with Timmy I am of the onion that it was no wheres nearly as bad as with some others…Prolley more on the lines of Kenny and Gannon…Lester too…Patchable is the word that comes to mind so really not worthy of making an issue of by us fans…On either side of the fence…
"Tebowphobe"!!!
by PantyRaider on Jan 22, 2012 12:12 PM PST up reply actions
Here lets break it down to a top 10 of sorts
There’s 2 college awards named after Raiders
Ray Guy award some people argue Lechler is better so we will just take one space there.
Bilitnekof award
That’s 2
All-Time leading scorer Sebass that’s 3
Super Bowl ring wearing QB
Plunkett and Stabler now we are at 5
Jim Otto makes 6
Howie Long ?
Art Shell ?
Gene Upshaw?
Tatum?
Willie Brown?
George Atkinson?
That nears 13 where is Al Davis Tom Flores and Madden in this….
So you tell me how the fuck Tim Brown even is near the top 10 raiders of all time…. He’s not!
The 13 bellow went in the HOF as Raiders I believe….
Jim Otto C 1960-1974 1980
George Blanda QB/K 1967-1975 1981
Willie Brown CB 1967-1978 1984
Gene Upshaw G 1967-1982 1987
Fred Biletnikoff WR 1965-1978 1988
Art Shell T 1968-1982 1989
Ted Hendricks LB 1975-1983 1990
Al Davis Owner 1963-present 1992
Mike Haynes CB 1983-1989 1997
Eric Dickerson RB 1992 1999
Howie Long DE 1981-1993 2000
Ronnie Lott S 1991-1992 2000
Dave Casper TE 1974-1980, 1984 2002
Marcus Allen RB 1982-1992 2003
James Lofton WR 1987-1988 2003
Bob Brown OT 1971-1973 2004
John Madden Head Coach 1969-1978 2006
Rod Woodson S 2002-2003 2009
Jerry Rice WR 2001-2004 2010
Al Davis the Greatest Raider of all times... You will live forever in the hearts of true Raider fans...RIP
A punter? a kicker? Art Shell, you mean the coach?
Tim Brown was as much a Raider as anyone on that board.
"These type of games are why you do what you do in February, March, April, May when nobody is watching," "It's why you stay up late at night watching film. This is why you do that, to be prepared....Carson Palmer
Art Shell the All World World Offensive Lineman
If you only remember back to the late 80 and early 90’s you might want to research the history.
Ray Guy changed the game
Sebass is fng awesome.
Al Davis the Greatest Raider of all times... You will live forever in the hearts of true Raider fans...RIP
Tim Brown isn't even the 2nd best WR in Raiders history
That distinction belongs to Cliff Branch, who was also money in the Super Bowl, unlike Timmy Brown.
I like Tim Brown, and he was a very good player for the Raiders, but he’s not even in the conversation of all time greatest Raider.
NO ONE was more or is more a Raider than Jim Otto. Do a little research on Blanda, too
we never retreat we always ATTACK!!!
by transparent58 on Jan 23, 2012 11:53 AM PST up reply actions
Tim Brown is the 3rd best WR in the history of the NFL and has a case for 2nd in my opinion. Only definitely better is Jerry Rice, and the battle for 2nd is him and Chris Carter
"We want to win. The Raider fans deserve it. The Raider players deserve it, even my organization deserves it. You have to win and you have to win with a vision for the Super Bowl. That's our passion here."--Al Davis
"Winning isn't everything, but wanting to win is."--Vince Lombardi
by Marcus Allen Krause on Jan 23, 2012 2:06 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Otto was a flippin center when offensive lineman were only makeing $20.000 a year
Loved George, he saved us a few times. Lotta good Raiders. Branch was also one of my favorites, But Branch had Belitnikoff and Casper, Tim Brown did it by himself, finding a way to move the chains even when everybody in the house knew we where going to throw to him.
And he did everything we wanted him to do, kickoffs, punts, played thru injury’s.
"These type of games are why you do what you do in February, March, April, May when nobody is watching," "It's why you stay up late at night watching film. This is why you do that, to be prepared....Carson Palmer
Exactly.
Brown did it without any great QBs helping him out. Gannon was the only good QB he ever really had throwing his way. Granted, I’m younger than a lot of people who post here, but to hear anything ever resembling anti-Tim Brown talk around here is nearly blasphemous to me. It actually makes me feel kind of crappy about Raiders fandom that a lot of you guys seem so quick to turn on such a great player.
Good call.
Davis is known for being just as boneheaded as he was brilliant. Tim Brown was even called Mr Raider, for his commitment to this organization and the community. Al Davis drafted Howie Long and Jamarcus Russell. Hired Jon Gruden and then traded him away for picks. After hiring Art Shell a second time, said, I should have never fired him in the first place.
"These type of games are why you do what you do in February, March, April, May when nobody is watching," "It's why you stay up late at night watching film. This is why you do that, to be prepared....Carson Palmer
I like Tim Brown
but he was not ever called “Mr. Raider” by anyone associated with the organization. Al Davis created the Raider mystique, and Jim Otto, Gene Upshaw and Art Shell as players embodied that mystique better than anyone who’s ever worn the Silver and Black…and there’s a lot of space between those three at the top and where Brown ranks on the list of all-time great Raiders.
Cliff Branch the embodiment of a Raiders WR…
we never retreat we always ATTACK!!!
by transparent58 on Jan 23, 2012 11:59 AM PST up reply actions
Preach it and teach it!!
On July 19, 2005, Brown officially retired but the Raiders did not hold a press conference at the team headquarters. Instead, Brown held his own press conference in an Oakland hotel ballroom. Davis did not attend the conference because he had a “scheduling conflict”.
Al Davis the Greatest Raider of all times... You will live forever in the hearts of true Raider fans...RIP
That is just straight up DISRESPECTFUL of Al Davis, just because he forgot who was loyal to him doesnt mean we have to.
"We want to win. The Raider fans deserve it. The Raider players deserve it, even my organization deserves it. You have to win and you have to win with a vision for the Super Bowl. That's our passion here."--Al Davis
"Winning isn't everything, but wanting to win is."--Vince Lombardi
by Marcus Allen Krause on Jan 23, 2012 2:07 PM PST up reply actions
Others confirmed it was conflict
Davis did allow Brown to sign a ceremonial $765,000 contract with the Raiders so he could retire as an Oakland Raider. Brown’s ‘04 departure from the Raiders eventually became acrimonious, and the outspoken receiver often criticized Davis, senior assistant Michael Lombardi and coach Norv Turner publicly for conspiring to make him expendable. Former teammates Marcus Allen, Lincoln Kennedy and Chester McGlockton attended the press conference. For the Raiders, Amy Trask, the Raiders’ chief executive officer who had Brown sign the ceremonial contract, Marc Badain, a finance executive and Mike Taylor, the team’s director of public relations, were on hand. At the time, Raiders receiver Jerry Porter was also in attendance. Lincoln Kennedy stuck up for the absence of Davis stating “It’s not his style,” the former Raiders offensive lineman replied. "He’ll probably invite Tim up to his office, or out to dinner later on. But this? This is not his style.
Al Davis the Greatest Raider of all times... You will live forever in the hearts of true Raider fans...RIP
There is no way Al shouldnt have scheduled the Retirement conference for him. He deserved at least that much.
The contract was great but to not make sure he could attend the event of one of the all time great NFL wide receivers who played all but 1 year for Davis is just plain wrong. I will never be ok with that.
"We want to win. The Raider fans deserve it. The Raider players deserve it, even my organization deserves it. You have to win and you have to win with a vision for the Super Bowl. That's our passion here."--Al Davis
"Winning isn't everything, but wanting to win is."--Vince Lombardi
by Marcus Allen Krause on Jan 23, 2012 2:18 PM PST up reply actions
Tim scheduled it on his own...
There are somethings we will never know…
Al Davis the Greatest Raider of all times... You will live forever in the hearts of true Raider fans...RIP
Agreed.
Look, I think Al Davis was awesome, but I don’t think he was infallible nor do I feel like I have to hold all the personal grudges he may have held for whatever reasons he might have had.
Tim Brown was a great football player and a great Raider.
Strait up!
"These type of games are why you do what you do in February, March, April, May when nobody is watching," "It's why you stay up late at night watching film. This is why you do that, to be prepared....Carson Palmer
You telling me Cliff Branch did more for the Raiders than Tim Brown?
Embodied the mystique better than…Ted Hendricks, Lyle Alzado, George Atkinson, Matt Millen Ect. I don’t think so.
"These type of games are why you do what you do in February, March, April, May when nobody is watching," "It's why you stay up late at night watching film. This is why you do that, to be prepared....Carson Palmer
Cliffs Superbowls
Cliff Branch’s Career Super Bowl Plays
Passing Rushing Receiving
1976 XI OAK MIN 3 catches 20 yards 0 td
1980 XV OAK PHI 5 catches 67 yards 2 td
1983 XVIII RAI WAS 6 catches 94 yards 1 td
Career 3 14 181 3
Al Davis the Greatest Raider of all times... You will live forever in the hearts of true Raider fans...RIP
Tim Brown's Career Super Bowl Plays
2002 XXXVII OAK TAM 1 catch 9 yards 0 tds
Al Davis the Greatest Raider of all times... You will live forever in the hearts of true Raider fans...RIP
Tim Brown didn't have the same talent surrounding him most of his career.
But whatever. If that’s how you want to judge his career then so be it. It’s a stupid way to judge it. The guy was 36 years old when he played in his only Super Bowl, and his QB was throwing the ball to the other team all damn day. The whole team sucked that game.
Let’s look at some of Browns NFL accomplishments:
NFL rookie-season record for most combined yards gained, with 2,317 (1988).
NFL record 10 consecutive seasons with at least 75 receptions
NFL record for consecutive seasons with at least 5 touchdowns scored (11) – shared with Marvin Harrison, Don Hutson, Cris Carter, Terrell Owens, & Jerry Rice
NFL record for being the oldest player ever to score a touchdown on special teams – (35 years, 140 days) 85 yard punt return
NFL record for most consecutive games with more than one reception (147 games, 1993–2002)
NFL record for being the oldest player with 12+ receptions in a single game – (36 years, 97 days): 10/27/02 @ KC Chiefs, 13 receptions, 144 receiving yards
NFL record for consecutive starts by a wide receiver: 176
And his Raider records:
Games (240) and seasons (16) played
Touchdowns (104)
Receiving (14,734 yards, 1,070 receptions, 99 touchdowns)
Punt return (3,272 punt-return yards, 320 punt returns, 3 punt returns for touchdowns)
All-purpose yards (19,431)
Yards from scrimmage (14,924)
Yeah, he’s not one of the best Raiders, he’s one of the best receivers period.
It dosent matter what you say to this dope,
He would hug John Herrera’s nuts to honor Al Davis.
What we know is Al was the man that created the Raiders. He was a maverick, a renegade, a gambler, and he loved his team.
He will always be the legend of the Raiders.
He was human and he had faults. A lot of people hated him but respected him.
Tim Brown comments rubbed Al Davis the wrong way.
So What? It does not take away from what the man(Brown) did for this organization(and the community).
"These type of games are why you do what you do in February, March, April, May when nobody is watching," "It's why you stay up late at night watching film. This is why you do that, to be prepared....Carson Palmer
WR
Bey, Moore and Ford are the starters this is time to break up the Amigos and get a clean start. One of the trio Murphy is likely that odd man out.
Derick Jones could rise up in camp if healthy again.
Douchemanzada out!
Chaz and Murphy fight for a spot
Fortunately it’s not the weakness of this team.
Al Davis the Greatest Raider of all times... You will live forever in the hearts of true Raider fans...RIP
Here's a list of the 2012 Top 50 FAs and some more (name/position/age):
1. Drew Brees – QB – 33
2. Carl Nicks - G – 27
3. Ray Rice – RB – 25
4. Arian Foster (Restricted) – RB – 26
5. Robert Mathis – DE – 31
6. Cortland Finnegan – CB – 28
7. Calais Campbell – DE – 26
8. Matt Forte – RB – 26
9. Jermichael Finley – TE – 25
10. Wes Welker – WR – 31
11. Mario Williams – LB – 27
12. Dwayne Bowe – WR – 27
13. Cliff Avril – DE – 26
14. Mike Wallace (Restricted) – WR – 26
15. Ben Grubbs – G – 28
16. John Abraham – DE – 34
17. Curtis Lofton – LB – 26
18. Marques Colston – WR – 29
19. Stephen Tulloch – LB – 28
20. Brent Grimes – CB – 29
21. Brodrick Bunkley – DT – 28
22. Marshawn Lynch – RB – 26
23. Alex Smith – QB – 28
24. D’Qwell Jackson – LB – 28
25. Vincent Jackson – WR – 29
26. Lardarius Webb – CB – 26
27. Cory Redding – DE – 31
28. Steve Johnson – WR – 26
29. Carlos Rogers – CB – 31
30. Paul Soliai – DT – 28
31. Chris Meyers – C – 30
32. David Hawthorne – LB – 27
33. Sione Pouha – DT – 33
34. DeSean Jackson – WR – 25
35. Matt Flynn – QB – 27
36. Brandon Carr - CB – 26
37. Anthony Spencer – LB – 28
38. LaRon Landry – S – 27
39. Jason Campbell – QB – 30
40. Reggie Wayne – WR – 33
41. Jeremy Mincey – DE – 28
42. Brandon Lloyd – WR – 31
43. Matt Roth - DE – 29
44. Peyton Hillis – RB – 26
45. Michael Griffin – S – 27
46. Jarrett Johnson – LB – 31
47. Scott Wells – C – 31
48. Tyvon Branch – S – 25
49. Laurent Robinson – WR – 27
50. Terrell Thomas – CB – 28
Other Notable 2012 Free Agents:
Richard Marshall – ARI
Kroy Biermann – ATL
Matt Birk – BAL
Dan Conner – CAR
Greg Olsen – CAR
Bobbie Williams – CIN
Ryan Grant – GB
Jeff Saturday – IND
Rashean Mathis – JAC
Kyle Orton – KC
E.J. Henderson – MIN
BenJarvus Green-Ellis – NE
Tracy Porter – NO
Robert Meachem – NO
Aubrayo Franklin – NO
Michael Bush – OAK
Nick Hardwick – SD
Mike Tolbert – SD
Fred Davis – WAS
I wish there was a chance the Raiders can get c. Lofton
"I'm not saying I'm gonna change the world, but I guarantee that I will spark the brain that will change the world." - Tupac Amaru Shakur
"The greatest hypnotist on the planet Earth is an oblong box in the corner in the room. It is constantly telling us what to believe is real. If you can persuade people that what they see with their eyes is what there is to see you've got them. Because they'll laugh in your face of an explanation then which portrays the big picture of what's happenin'
... and they have."
"Lots of people in America know that the system is fucked up. All of them know it. I think everybody in this country knows the government’s corrupt. They’re conscious of it, but they’re not gonna do a fucking thing about it. There are people that will, and me, I consider those people revolutionary"- Immortal Technique
by RaiderKilluminati on Jan 20, 2012 5:27 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
There are some players that could make us better on that list
We just have to adjust the roster we pay too much in the linebacker slots for the net return.
The secondary also needs attention.
Chris Johnson experiment?
Huff as a Corner that’s not gonna happen…
Al Davis the Greatest Raider of all times... You will live forever in the hearts of true Raider fans...RIP
top 5 players I think the Raiders should target
1. Evan Mathis G
2. Erin Henderson OLB
3. Brent Grimes CB
4. Demtrius Bell T
5. Craig Steltz S
My FA wish list:
1. Carl Nicks (Starting LG, move Wiz to center)
2. Cortland Finnegan (#2 corner)
3. Mario Williams (drools)
4. Brodrick Bunkley (stick it to the Donkeys, Seymours eventual replacement)
5. Marshawn Lynch (beast mode!)
6. Matt Flynn (quality backup)
7. LaRon Landry (hard-hitting safety, love that guy)
Cant argue with anybody on that list, except that i dont think Flynn will be signing anywhere to be a back up
"We want to win. The Raider fans deserve it. The Raider players deserve it, even my organization deserves it. You have to win and you have to win with a vision for the Super Bowl. That's our passion here."--Al Davis
"Winning isn't everything, but wanting to win is."--Vince Lombardi
by Marcus Allen Krause on Jan 20, 2012 5:54 PM PST up reply actions
We could trick him into thinking he has a fair chance to compete for starting job in training camp haha
not at the money he'll command
we cannot afford to pay Palmer 10+ and Flynn 8+ million; we sign Flynn=Palmer getting traded.
Wouldn't complain about that
Al Davis the Greatest Raider of all times... You will live forever in the hearts of true Raider fans...RIP
No Michael Griffin?
better ballhawk than Landry. Isn’t that what you want?
by SmashmouthFB on Jan 20, 2012 6:42 PM PST up reply actions
I want an old school smart hard-hitting safety roaming the field, someone who brings back memories
of our tough 70s-80s defenses…and thats LaRon Landry to me
Three sure fire hits+Branch
Nicks, Mario, Landry + resign Tyvon;
Nicks will be available as Brees is their FA that New Orleans will offer the most dollars for;
Williams probably franchise or transition tagged;
Landry combined with Tyvon would be a serious Safety combination
Reggie May Be Getting Pushed Now???
Philbin’s hire also figures to quicken McKenzie’s pace if he has any intention of hiring one or more Packers coaches. Philbin no doubt will consider bringing along Winston Moss, Darren Perry and Tom Clements.
"Tebowphobe"!!!
out of all the interviews
Bowles is currently atop my list; here’s to hoping McKenzie has been talking to Saban w/o anyone knowing about it.
Saban couldn't handle it once and he quit and ran back to college
Al Davis the Greatest Raider of all times... You will live forever in the hearts of true Raider fans...RIP
Hah
Spud McKenzie continues to vex me. I grow weary of the search. In the end, whether I like the guy or not, I will be behind him. I expect the typical, “We want to win a championship” “Feels great to be in the Silver and Black” “Was a huge Raider fan growing up” “I love this organizations commitment to excellence” “Please don’t fire me.” I can’t wait I tell ya, whomever it is! Go RAiders!!!!
by lakers007raiders on Jan 20, 2012 9:13 PM PST reply actions
lol
You may just want to come back after the Super Bowl, cuz it might take him that long. He may well want to talk to coaches from those teams before he makes a decision.
My choices from that list:
Moss as a HC, with Del Rio or Greg williams as a DC and Saunders or Haley as OC
No fucking way haley comes in here
A jackass and his offense was decent for one year with charlie weis calling plays. Otherwise his tenure in kc was a train wreck
The longer we delay this the more I suspect that something else is going on and the dream team is in play
Gruden
Saunders
Del Rio
by lchristmas on Jan 21, 2012 10:14 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
I think it's more likely that Reggie has his eyes on guys working for teams still in the Super Bowl hunt
I feel like if he’d reached out to Gruden or Del Rio then we’d have heard about it by now.
I was hoping Friday would have been the day...
We will hopefully have a coach in place soon. This is like watching paint dry come on Reg!!
Al Davis the Greatest Raider of all times... You will live forever in the hearts of true Raider fans...RIP
Why Moss?
Not exactly an impressive resume. Already been turned down for various positions, assistant coach title is probably an honorary one, and GB’s defensive collapse is the 2nd time in 3 years with him in there.
I'm not sold on this either
Dude is an inside linebackers coach who can apparently spin a speech. He came from the packers. Yay.
I would prefer either an experienced coach or a young coordinator with a history of running a successful unit. Supplying aj hawk with hair products and cheering while aaron rodgers throws td passes doesn’t impress me.
He might be good, but its a complete crap shoot and his success will be totally based on his staff. I’d prefer a hc who brings something more to the table on his own accord.
by lchristmas on Jan 21, 2012 10:10 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
Everyone has named Moss as a candidate other then Reggie and the Raiders...
Al Davis the Greatest Raider of all times... You will live forever in the hearts of true Raider fans...RIP
Still can't figure out why
It’s the press saying it, yet they never give a reason. But almost of all of them seem to believe it. Meanwhile, if he was the guy, McKenzie could have had that done already.
It's the one thing that has bothered me...
The other is no team in NFL history gave up as may yards as the Packers this season. They also have some pretty good personnel on their team.
LB – AJ Hawk, The good Matthews and they still suck…
Green Bay Packers 22.4 pts allowed 359 total points 411 yards per game 43 3rd down % 122 penalties 948 pen yards 29:31 TOP
Oakland Raiders 27.1 pts allowed 433 total points 387 yards per game 42 3rd down % 120 penalties 982 pen yards 30:13 TOP
the defenses are pretty similar so this is an upgrade how?
Al Davis the Greatest Raider of all times... You will live forever in the hearts of true Raider fans...RIP
5 pts a game is a big difference 80 fewer points is a big deal, too.
and the 7 more wins they had should loom pretty large. Green Bay gave up more yards per game, but if total yards on offense actually won you games, then the Raiders would have hosted the Steelers in the wild card round. TOP is misleading, too. Since GB scored so quickly and so often, opponents had the ball more, got more attempts, and wore out GBs defense. They still made enough plays to win 15 damn games.
Also, it’s incorrect to assume that Moss had much to do with the scheme, since he was the lone hold over from the past DC’s regime that ran more of a Tampa 2. It’s Capers’ defense, and it’s a high risk, high reward system, just like the Steeler defense that got Tebowed a couple weeks ago because they telegraphed a safety blitz so bad Stevie Wonder said “y’all about to get torched” when Tebow took the snap…
Assuming Moss is the guy, there are no guarantees he installs the Capers/LeBeau zone blitz scheme. Just like when Tomlin took his wombat lookin ass to Pittsburgh as a Tony Dungy Tampa 2 disciple and promptly stuck with LeBeau and his 3-4 defense.
Moss is considered a candidate because of his organizational and motivational skills and relationship with McKenzie. It’s lazy journalism to simply assume we’re bringing in former Packers execs, coaches and players simply because Reggie cut his executive teeth there…
Personally, I’d rather we went after Fewell or Pagano of Fangio before Moss as “defensive minded coaches.”
we never retreat we always ATTACK!!!
by transparent58 on Jan 23, 2012 1:35 AM PST up reply actions
5 pts a game difference we are in the big game
I just wish the 3rd down defense and penalties were better
Al Davis the Greatest Raider of all times... You will live forever in the hearts of true Raider fans...RIP
Depends on who Todd Boweles chooses...
Al Davis the Greatest Raider of all times... You will live forever in the hearts of true Raider fans...RIP
Hue's Running The Mouth Just Cost Him Other Opretunities...NO Body Wants That Crap!!
"Tebowphobe"!!!
by PantyRaider on Jan 21, 2012 12:23 PM PST up reply actions
But seriously
I really think people made too big a deal of those ugly words he had for the team after the Chargers game. They sucked out there. These are not kids, they’re paid professionals, MILLIONAIRES even. And on the biggest game of the season, most of them just flat out didn’t show up. The run game sucked, the defense existed only on paper, and special teams did their part to cost the game as well. They deserved verbal abuse for the way they played, and why not? They’re quick to take the praise when that comes their way. They like to be told how awesome they are on Twitter. What if these players actually got paid week to week based on their performances on the field? Those ugly words would be the least of their worries.
by rightnasty on Jan 21, 2012 12:31 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
They are spiraling down the rabit hole....
Hue with Sanchez LOLLOLLOLOLOL boy Sanchez may be the only starter that will make him miss JC!
Al Davis the Greatest Raider of all times... You will live forever in the hearts of true Raider fans...RIP
Heh
And how timely this is:
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news;_ylt=AloqxZuEnj94jjKJ9AmVmexDubYF?slug=ap-jets-ryan
It's right on the money!!!
Talking shit rarely pays off… Just do your job and let the work speak for itself…
Al Davis the Greatest Raider of all times... You will live forever in the hearts of true Raider fans...RIP
Someone from the Niners?
Mike Holmgren and Mike McCarthy, both (under-the-radar hire) came to the Packers from the 49ers and won Super Bowls while McKenzie was there.
This actually makes me feel better
http://www.boltsfromtheblue.com/2012/1/17/2712480/why-the-chargers-were-right-to-retain-norv-tuner
A few weeks ago they were calling for his head. A HC job listing was put on Craigslist on behalf of the Chargers. Now they’re backtracking, drinkin’ that kool aid again.
We, on the other hand, are making some real changes. It’s actually encouraging in a reverse psychology sort of way.
It just shows what choke artists all their coaches were....
Most happily is Marty Chokenheimer…o he of the wilting manhood in playoff history….Browns, Chiefs, Bolts…..
The cowards never started, the weak died along the way....
by BlackHeartSilverEyes on Jan 21, 2012 12:07 PM PST up reply actions
I also want to know who the f our scouting staff is! Do we even have one?
That was gonna be one of the first things done.
We have the East West Shrine who do we have attending this game?
Al Davis the Greatest Raider of all times... You will live forever in the hearts of true Raider fans...RIP
Any of y’all watching the shrine game? I might be lookin at some future raiders in this game.
"I'm not saying I'm gonna change the world, but I guarantee that I will spark the brain that will change the world." - Tupac Amaru Shakur
"The greatest hypnotist on the planet Earth is an oblong box in the corner in the room. It is constantly telling us what to believe is real. If you can persuade people that what they see with their eyes is what there is to see you've got them. Because they'll laugh in your face of an explanation then which portrays the big picture of what's happenin'
... and they have."
"Lots of people in America know that the system is fucked up. All of them know it. I think everybody in this country knows the government’s corrupt. They’re conscious of it, but they’re not gonna do a fucking thing about it. There are people that will, and me, I consider those people revolutionary"- Immortal Technique
by RaiderKilluminati on Jan 21, 2012 2:04 PM PST via mobile reply actions
Only the lesser players since we have no draft...
Hopefully the compensatory picks get us something…
Al Davis the Greatest Raider of all times... You will live forever in the hearts of true Raider fans...RIP
I think Reggie will spot some talent. The likelihood of Reggie striking gold in every pick is slim but I’m sure he will get some players that will help this team.
"I'm not saying I'm gonna change the world, but I guarantee that I will spark the brain that will change the world." - Tupac Amaru Shakur
"The greatest hypnotist on the planet Earth is an oblong box in the corner in the room. It is constantly telling us what to believe is real. If you can persuade people that what they see with their eyes is what there is to see you've got them. Because they'll laugh in your face of an explanation then which portrays the big picture of what's happenin'
... and they have."
"Lots of people in America know that the system is fucked up. All of them know it. I think everybody in this country knows the government’s corrupt. They’re conscious of it, but they’re not gonna do a fucking thing about it. There are people that will, and me, I consider those people revolutionary"- Immortal Technique
by RaiderKilluminati on Jan 21, 2012 2:25 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
I don't expect perfect draft results..
That would be a tad bit unrealistic.
Al Davis the Greatest Raider of all times... You will live forever in the hearts of true Raider fans...RIP
Guess that hue Jackson stl oc guy on here can take his ass to burger king and get an application! Rams already have their OC
"I'm not saying I'm gonna change the world, but I guarantee that I will spark the brain that will change the world." - Tupac Amaru Shakur
"The greatest hypnotist on the planet Earth is an oblong box in the corner in the room. It is constantly telling us what to believe is real. If you can persuade people that what they see with their eyes is what there is to see you've got them. Because they'll laugh in your face of an explanation then which portrays the big picture of what's happenin'
... and they have."
"Lots of people in America know that the system is fucked up. All of them know it. I think everybody in this country knows the government’s corrupt. They’re conscious of it, but they’re not gonna do a fucking thing about it. There are people that will, and me, I consider those people revolutionary"- Immortal Technique
by RaiderKilluminati on Jan 21, 2012 2:32 PM PST via mobile reply actions
Just readin a Bleacher Report article on 50 worst head coaches....
It REALLY fuckin scares me that many names on the list are currently being interviewed by Reggie…Alot of the guys on the list were/are GREAT position coaches or DC/OC, but absolutely sucked at HC…just a thought…. http://bleacherreport.com/articles/869108-50-worst-nfl-coaches-of-all-time?utm_source=outbrain.com&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=bestof#/articles/869108-50-worst-nfl-coaches-of-all-time/page/27
Crush your enemies...see them driven before you..and enjoy the lamentation of their women
garbage
Most eveything I see and read on the Bleacher Report is crap. Was Jack Pardee on that list? In the nearly 100 year history of professional football it appears that 80 percent of the wrost coaching jobs of all time occured since 1990. Only one coach prior to the 70s is listed. I put no credit in articles like this one. Didn’t Bill Callahan go to a Super Bowl? I my view the Bleacher Report has a very negative attitude toward the Raiders in almost every aspect they report on.
Snake belongs in the HOF!
by Tennessee Raider on Jan 21, 2012 6:11 PM PST up reply actions
you put no credit to numbers?
No shit? These HC “candidates” record as former HCs means nothing to you? Far out, man…Regardless of the source ( Bleacher Report), and whether you like it or not, can you deny the Win Loss percentages stated?
Crush your enemies...see them driven before you..and enjoy the lamentation of their women
I don't like the fact that their records
were not good, but I look at it like this. Unless you hire a rookie, who has never been a head coach then you are going to get someone who was fired at their last job or was one the way out. I do agree that many coaches are best suited to be a cordinator and not the head man. I think our last coach is a great example. It’s all about fit in my opinion. The right guy to fit our team and goals. I think Reggie has Winston Moss as his number one, but he is interviewing everyone he can to make sure in his own mind that he is the guy and didn;t over look anyone out there who might have been better suited for the task at hand.
Snake belongs in the HOF!
by Tennessee Raider on Jan 22, 2012 6:03 AM PST up reply actions
Ladies and Gentlemen,
Mike Waufle has been hired as the D-Line coordinator of the St. Louis Rams, to run the 4-3 defense that I love.
Welcome…to rebuilding mode – which of course, means 5 more years of no success at all.
And Carson was supposed to get us to the playoffs THIS YEAR? Please.
I am a Raider Fan. But I also a player's person as well.
by NFLanalyzerfromhome on Jan 21, 2012 6:49 PM PST reply actions
really? he would have been good to improve our d~maybe he smelled something
jeff fisher wanted waufle to improve the d line with howie longs son. there young but could be good. looks like a whole new coaching staff because waufle was retained. thats why i think he smelled something in oakland and fisher wanted him and made him a better offer.
by sports with steve on Jan 21, 2012 9:09 PM PST up reply actions
We lost the defensive line coach from a very mediocre unit
OMG THE SKY IS FALLING WE SHOULD CANCEL THE NEXT THREE YEARS WE’RE A LAUGHINGSTOCK AGAIN AND LETS RESIGN JASON CAMPBELL BECAUSE CARSON SUCKS AT RETAINING DEFENSIVE LINE COACHES
by lchristmas on Jan 21, 2012 9:22 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
This made me laugh... TY
Al Davis the Greatest Raider of all times... You will live forever in the hearts of true Raider fans...RIP
Lol I agree its no reason to panic, but Wauffle is one of the best D-line coaches in the business
Im not too happy right now
Yea...people cant act like our D line had Philyaw or Tooz on it this last year. They started sucking badly....
and the coach, again, is suspect. So bye bye Waufle.
The cowards never started, the weak died along the way....
by BlackHeartSilverEyes on Jan 22, 2012 12:41 PM PST up reply actions
woow haha!
http://www.fannation.com/message_boards/show_topic/457023-was-hue-jackson-working-for-cincinnati-all-along?eref=fromSI There are conspiracies then there is “this”!!
"I'm not saying I'm gonna change the world, but I guarantee that I will spark the brain that will change the world." - Tupac Amaru Shakur
"The greatest hypnotist on the planet Earth is an oblong box in the corner in the room. It is constantly telling us what to believe is real. If you can persuade people that what they see with their eyes is what there is to see you've got them. Because they'll laugh in your face of an explanation then which portrays the big picture of what's happenin'
... and they have."
"Lots of people in America know that the system is fucked up. All of them know it. I think everybody in this country knows the government’s corrupt. They’re conscious of it, but they’re not gonna do a fucking thing about it. There are people that will, and me, I consider those people revolutionary"- Immortal Technique
by RaiderKilluminati on Jan 21, 2012 11:10 PM PST reply actions
I Didn't Read It But I Can Imagine???...If Hue Doen't Get Cridet For The Signing He Dosen't Get The Blame Either!!!
I still like Hue and wish he would have been retained although the more he runs his mouth in spite the less I’m inclined to support his damn ass!!!
"Tebowphobe"!!!
by PantyRaider on Jan 22, 2012 12:44 AM PST up reply actions
Heh
But haven’t you heard around here? Hue held a gun to Mark Davis’ head to make him sign off on the trade. It wasn’t any .22 either, it was one of those big Jesse Venture Predator guns that you can only fire correctly if you’re chewing tobacco at the same time. Well Mark took one look at that, and he said, “Alrighty then.”
![]()
Marc Knew How To Answer That...Now Reggie's In Town -n- Has His Own Big Guns!!!

YOUR FIRED!!!!
"Tebowphobe"!!!
"I'm not saying I'm gonna change the world, but I guarantee that I will spark the brain that will change the world." - Tupac Amaru Shakur
"The greatest hypnotist on the planet Earth is an oblong box in the corner in the room. It is constantly telling us what to believe is real. If you can persuade people that what they see with their eyes is what there is to see you've got them. Because they'll laugh in your face of an explanation then which portrays the big picture of what's happenin'
... and they have."
"Lots of people in America know that the system is fucked up. All of them know it. I think everybody in this country knows the government’s corrupt. They’re conscious of it, but they’re not gonna do a fucking thing about it. There are people that will, and me, I consider those people revolutionary"- Immortal Technique
by RaiderKilluminati on Jan 22, 2012 1:32 AM PST up reply actions
how do u post a picture in this bitch??!
i failed at posting the cricket gun from men in black haha. i think thats what mark used
"I'm not saying I'm gonna change the world, but I guarantee that I will spark the brain that will change the world." - Tupac Amaru Shakur
"The greatest hypnotist on the planet Earth is an oblong box in the corner in the room. It is constantly telling us what to believe is real. If you can persuade people that what they see with their eyes is what there is to see you've got them. Because they'll laugh in your face of an explanation then which portrays the big picture of what's happenin'
... and they have."
"Lots of people in America know that the system is fucked up. All of them know it. I think everybody in this country knows the government’s corrupt. They’re conscious of it, but they’re not gonna do a fucking thing about it. There are people that will, and me, I consider those people revolutionary"- Immortal Technique
by RaiderKilluminati on Jan 22, 2012 1:33 AM PST up reply actions
i tried that and i copy and pasted the url but it didnt show up.
maybe i got the wrong url?
"I'm not saying I'm gonna change the world, but I guarantee that I will spark the brain that will change the world." - Tupac Amaru Shakur
"The greatest hypnotist on the planet Earth is an oblong box in the corner in the room. It is constantly telling us what to believe is real. If you can persuade people that what they see with their eyes is what there is to see you've got them. Because they'll laugh in your face of an explanation then which portrays the big picture of what's happenin'
... and they have."
"Lots of people in America know that the system is fucked up. All of them know it. I think everybody in this country knows the government’s corrupt. They’re conscious of it, but they’re not gonna do a fucking thing about it. There are people that will, and me, I consider those people revolutionary"- Immortal Technique
by RaiderKilluminati on Jan 22, 2012 1:38 AM PST up reply actions
For example

Address that goes in the box is:
http://fandomania.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/08/noisy-cricket.jpg
In this case
You’d go to this page:
http://kprsightsoundmotion.blogspot.com/2011/01/activity-one-men-in-black-cricket-gun.html
Right click on the image, then go down to view image (in Firefox). Then the image’s address will appear in the address bar.
Gracias amigo
I did have the wrong url then. i right clicked the image and it said copy image url and i clicked on that. unless that was the right way and i messed up?
"I'm not saying I'm gonna change the world, but I guarantee that I will spark the brain that will change the world." - Tupac Amaru Shakur
"The greatest hypnotist on the planet Earth is an oblong box in the corner in the room. It is constantly telling us what to believe is real. If you can persuade people that what they see with their eyes is what there is to see you've got them. Because they'll laugh in your face of an explanation then which portrays the big picture of what's happenin'
... and they have."
"Lots of people in America know that the system is fucked up. All of them know it. I think everybody in this country knows the government’s corrupt. They’re conscious of it, but they’re not gonna do a fucking thing about it. There are people that will, and me, I consider those people revolutionary"- Immortal Technique
by RaiderKilluminati on Jan 22, 2012 1:50 AM PST up reply actions
![]()
"I'm not saying I'm gonna change the world, but I guarantee that I will spark the brain that will change the world." - Tupac Amaru Shakur
"The greatest hypnotist on the planet Earth is an oblong box in the corner in the room. It is constantly telling us what to believe is real. If you can persuade people that what they see with their eyes is what there is to see you've got them. Because they'll laugh in your face of an explanation then which portrays the big picture of what's happenin'
... and they have."
"Lots of people in America know that the system is fucked up. All of them know it. I think everybody in this country knows the government’s corrupt. They’re conscious of it, but they’re not gonna do a fucking thing about it. There are people that will, and me, I consider those people revolutionary"- Immortal Technique
by RaiderKilluminati on Jan 22, 2012 1:55 AM PST up reply actions
![]()
"I'm not saying I'm gonna change the world, but I guarantee that I will spark the brain that will change the world." - Tupac Amaru Shakur
"The greatest hypnotist on the planet Earth is an oblong box in the corner in the room. It is constantly telling us what to believe is real. If you can persuade people that what they see with their eyes is what there is to see you've got them. Because they'll laugh in your face of an explanation then which portrays the big picture of what's happenin'
... and they have."
"Lots of people in America know that the system is fucked up. All of them know it. I think everybody in this country knows the government’s corrupt. They’re conscious of it, but they’re not gonna do a fucking thing about it. There are people that will, and me, I consider those people revolutionary"- Immortal Technique
by RaiderKilluminati on Jan 22, 2012 1:57 AM PST up reply actions
eh still couldnt do it.
dont know why… maybe its my laptop (CANT BE!!)? or maybe its the damn image itself. I believe i did everything right. Followed the steps u had as well. the image isnt showing up on my screen.
"I'm not saying I'm gonna change the world, but I guarantee that I will spark the brain that will change the world." - Tupac Amaru Shakur
"The greatest hypnotist on the planet Earth is an oblong box in the corner in the room. It is constantly telling us what to believe is real. If you can persuade people that what they see with their eyes is what there is to see you've got them. Because they'll laugh in your face of an explanation then which portrays the big picture of what's happenin'
... and they have."
"Lots of people in America know that the system is fucked up. All of them know it. I think everybody in this country knows the government’s corrupt. They’re conscious of it, but they’re not gonna do a fucking thing about it. There are people that will, and me, I consider those people revolutionary"- Immortal Technique
by RaiderKilluminati on Jan 22, 2012 2:07 AM PST up reply actions
1st get Rid Of The (http://) That Appears In The

Window…Than Right Click On The Pic And Left Click On The “View Image Info”….Another Box Will Appear With A Highlighted URL…Copy Paste and your set…
"Tebowphobe"!!!
Hmmm..I have never been able to post up a pic....tried that but it didnt work..
The cowards never started, the weak died along the way....
by BlackHeartSilverEyes on Jan 22, 2012 12:50 PM PST up reply actions
I Had Severl Failures Before Getting It Right...Once You Have It It's Really Easy...
"Tebowphobe"!!!
by PantyRaider on Jan 22, 2012 12:52 PM PST up reply actions
I cant get any other window after i delete the http
The cowards never started, the weak died along the way....
by BlackHeartSilverEyes on Jan 22, 2012 12:54 PM PST up reply actions
The Other Window Is When You Right Click On The Pick...
It will give several options…Click on “View Image Info” and a new window will appear…It will have several URL’s but only one is highlighted…That’s the one you post in the
window….
"Tebowphobe"!!!
Winston Moss got a 4 hour interview and supposedly he did great too.
I think he could be Mornhinwheg is the OC.
Every man for himself...
I'd much prefer Moss over Morninwheg
But since we’ve waited this long, I’d like to see if we can interview some of the guys still playing for the Super Bowl.
10000+
Al Davis the Greatest Raider of all times... You will live forever in the hearts of true Raider fans...RIP
Morhinwheg is just reheated shit....and Tice too.
The cowards never started, the weak died along the way....
by BlackHeartSilverEyes on Jan 22, 2012 12:55 PM PST up reply actions
OK!!!...Now We're Making Progress!!!
Raiders | Interview Winston Moss for GM job
Sun, 22 Jan 2012 10:59:38 -0800
The Oakland Raiders interviewed Green Bay Packers inside linebackers coach Winston Moss last week about their vacant head coaching position.
Raiders | Al Saunders could remain with the team
Sun, 22 Jan 2012 12:08:49 -0800
Oakland Raiders offensive coordinator Al Saunders could remain with the team if they hire a defensive-minded head coach this offseason. Saunders likely would leave for another job if an offensive-minded coach is hired. Saunders is not believed to be a candidate for the head coaching position.
"Tebowphobe"!!!
I was hoping Saunders would get a sniff for some semblance of conttnuity!
Al Davis the Greatest Raider of all times... You will live forever in the hearts of true Raider fans...RIP
From ESPN
However, multiple league sources believe Eagles offensive coordinator Marty Mornhinweg has emerged as one of the favorites in Oakland.
Mornhinweg, the sources said, had an impressive interview with Oakland officials. He previously worked with Raiders general manager Reggie McKenzie in Green Bay and was the Packers’ quarterbacks coach when Green Bay won the Super Bowl with Brett Favre.
Well I Would Rather Have Moss...A "D" Minded "HC"....So Hopefully BSPN Is Full Of Shit As Usual???
"Tebowphobe"!!!
Yea...lots of the wrong speculation...
The cowards never started, the weak died along the way....
by BlackHeartSilverEyes on Jan 22, 2012 4:54 PM PST up reply actions
There Hasn['t Been Much To Celibrate Lately But I Had Fun Anyway...Nice Being A Big Kid!!!
Happy Chinese New Year everyone…Spent about $8 on fireworks and had me a BLAST!!!…My little wife was a nut!!…Can have all the sweet little toys of my childhood here and so damn cheap…Buzz Bombs….Nice colors!!….Cherry Bombs so fun to trow!!..Bottle rockets of all sizes and the Roman Candles too!!!…Than several little toys that I have never seen before but are lots of fum…
Match Striker Grenades!!!…OK they just be firecrackers but strike like a match and toss!!!
Short Fat looks like a Firecracker but it’s a Cracker Blaster!!….From one comes many in all colors popin all over the ground….It’s Alive!!!
Wish I could ship some home but you know how many penalty yrds that would get me!!!
"Tebowphobe"!!!
Gung hoy fat choy? Happy Chinese new year to you bro!
Al Davis the Greatest Raider of all times... You will live forever in the hearts of true Raider fans...RIP
I Get To Celibrate 3 Times A year Here...
1-1…Happy new Year…
1-22…Happy Chinese New year…
4-15..Happy Cambodia/Thailand New Year and the big Water Festival…One week celebration for this one…
"Tebowphobe"!!!
Their New Year Is The Celibration Of Spring And The Return Of The Rain...
It’s the hottest time of the year before the summer monsoon comes in to kool things off a little so they trow water any way shape and form…Water balloons to buckets…They drive around in trucks with huge water cans and trow water at each other…Like a battlefield…Right down the center of town…
But it’s also a time to be drunk and these bastards love to drink…And they will drink anything so you can’t even buy rubbing alcohol here for fear it will be consumed…
"Tebowphobe"!!!
Do you guys think Reggie might be waiting to talk to chuck pagano
by los r8drs on Jan 22, 2012 1:58 PM PST via mobile reply actions
Man,the way NE is playing on O rite now they’ll move the ball on anybody
by los r8drs on Jan 22, 2012 2:34 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Here's A Thought...Hue's Next Job Will Be In The Booth As A "Mediot"....Hes Has Proven To Have The Mouth For it!!!
"Tebowphobe"!!!
uh oh
Former raider sterling channeling his inner raider and missing a tackle resulting in a smith td. Good move by torrey but gotta make that tackle mayne!
"I'm not saying I'm gonna change the world, but I guarantee that I will spark the brain that will change the world." - Tupac Amaru Shakur
"The greatest hypnotist on the planet Earth is an oblong box in the corner in the room. It is constantly telling us what to believe is real. If you can persuade people that what they see with their eyes is what there is to see you've got them. Because they'll laugh in your face of an explanation then which portrays the big picture of what's happenin'
... and they have."
"Lots of people in America know that the system is fucked up. All of them know it. I think everybody in this country knows the government’s corrupt. They’re conscious of it, but they’re not gonna do a fucking thing about it. There are people that will, and me, I consider those people revolutionary"- Immortal Technique
by RaiderKilluminati on Jan 22, 2012 2:13 PM PST via mobile reply actions
I wouldn’t mind;
Pagano- HD
Moss/bowles-Dc
Saunders-Oc
by los r8drs on Jan 22, 2012 2:24 PM PST via mobile reply actions
Yep
Even if Pagano didn’t turn out to be a good coach, at least he would help us straighten out this mess on D that has been plaguing us for years.
Nope, just DC
He’s LB coach and Asst HC which is like being the Assistant to the Regional Manager.
we never retreat we always ATTACK!!!
by transparent58 on Jan 23, 2012 1:16 AM PST up reply actions
Thet Gave That Tital To Secure Him Better Becuase Of All The Attention He Was Getting From Other Teams..
So if it worked it must count for something or why even use that “Assistant HC” title???
"Tebowphobe"!!!
Chip Kelly to the Bucs!!! FFFFFUUUUCCCCKKKKK!!!!
Al Davis the Greatest Raider of all times... You will live forever in the hearts of true Raider fans...RIP
Perfect time for a career move
I’d be shocked if Chip isn’t pulling a Pete and just getting the heck out of there before the NCAA comes down on them with an iron fist. You have to wonder if Darron Thomas was thinking the same thing.
This
He’ll bounce to Tampa, pull a Petrino and take over at Tennesse when Dooley flames out…how is it all the failed NFL coaches (Petrino, Saban, Spurrier) end up in the SEC being praised as coaching Gods?
we never retreat we always ATTACK!!!
by transparent58 on Jan 23, 2012 1:18 AM PST up reply actions
Kelly has decided to stay with Oregon
That was a close one Ducks fans…the only place I want to see Kelly go is to the Raiders but I don’t think he should leave this team yet…too much potential there still.
You know what would make a good story? Something about a clown who makes people happy, but inside he's real sad. Also, he has severe diarrhea.
by Buster Bluth on Jan 23, 2012 4:27 AM PST up reply actions
Thankfully!!!!
Al Davis the Greatest Raider of all times... You will live forever in the hearts of true Raider fans...RIP
Adam says
@AdamSchefter
Broncos DC Dennis Allen has been invited to interview a second time for Raiders head coaching job. Will interview at Senior Bowl in Mobile.
@AdamSchefter
Raiders interviewed Winston Moss for 4 hours last Saturday. Mike Tice interviews Tues. Coach to watch for job is Eagles OC Marty Mornhinweg.
This quote made me laugh from there! God McKenzie is impossible to read, its freaking hilarious. He just laughs at the idea, but had a 7 second pause too? Impossible to get a feel for what he is thinking lol
PG: A lot of names out there so far — Bowles, Moss, Allen, Mornhingweg. But let me throw another name out at you…Jon Gruden?
RM: (Smiles and pauses for seven seconds) I’m going to just laugh. You can put ‘giggle.’ (Laughs again).
Read more: Q&A with Raiders GM Reggie McKenzie
Tune to SportsNet Central at 6, 10:30 and midnight on Comcast SportsNet Bay Area for more on this story
"We want to win. The Raider fans deserve it. The Raider players deserve it, even my organization deserves it. You have to win and you have to win with a vision for the Super Bowl. That's our passion here."--Al Davis
"Winning isn't everything, but wanting to win is."--Vince Lombardi
by Marcus Allen Krause on Jan 23, 2012 9:30 AM PST up reply actions
lol thats funny
Just remember quick of tongue is not synonymous with quick of brain. You can talk slow and be smart.
"We want to win. The Raider fans deserve it. The Raider players deserve it, even my organization deserves it. You have to win and you have to win with a vision for the Super Bowl. That's our passion here."--Al Davis
"Winning isn't everything, but wanting to win is."--Vince Lombardi
by Marcus Allen Krause on Jan 23, 2012 10:24 AM PST up reply actions
WTF?
Moss is winning the poll by a landslide! WHY? Aaron Rodgers carries the Pack. Minus a few play makers on D, the packers D sucks ass. Look it up. So, we want the LB coach of that mediocre defense? Why in Al’s name would we want/do that. I will be soooo pissed. SOS different day. I guess the horrible legacy of Raider bad decisions won’t die with Al after all
We havent hired him have we?
From all reports the interview didnt end well and Moss may not even be close to being considered. Winning a poll is here is like taking a shower with a raincoat on…..doesnt do shit.
The cowards never started, the weak died along the way....
by BlackHeartSilverEyes on Jan 23, 2012 10:16 AM PST up reply actions
McKenzie disputed that as not even close to accurate in a Q and A with Guitterez
"We want to win. The Raider fans deserve it. The Raider players deserve it, even my organization deserves it. You have to win and you have to win with a vision for the Super Bowl. That's our passion here."--Al Davis
"Winning isn't everything, but wanting to win is."--Vince Lombardi
by Marcus Allen Krause on Jan 23, 2012 10:27 AM PST up reply actions
People act like because theyre winning a poll in here that it means something...lol
The cowards never started, the weak died along the way....
by BlackHeartSilverEyes on Jan 23, 2012 10:28 AM PST up reply actions
lol yes that absolutely means nada. Too bad though because of it did Gruden would be coming back! lol
"We want to win. The Raider fans deserve it. The Raider players deserve it, even my organization deserves it. You have to win and you have to win with a vision for the Super Bowl. That's our passion here."--Al Davis
"Winning isn't everything, but wanting to win is."--Vince Lombardi
by Marcus Allen Krause on Jan 23, 2012 11:10 AM PST up reply actions
if it*
"We want to win. The Raider fans deserve it. The Raider players deserve it, even my organization deserves it. You have to win and you have to win with a vision for the Super Bowl. That's our passion here."--Al Davis
"Winning isn't everything, but wanting to win is."--Vince Lombardi
by Marcus Allen Krause on Jan 23, 2012 11:10 AM PST up reply actions
Or alternately
Moss should at least prove he can be a DC before aspiring for HC. Getting turned down for the position by his own team doesn’t speak of confidence in the guy, and nobody else has wanted him. It just looks an awful lot like he’s juiced in, at Green Bay.
Being turned down for DC so they can hire one of the all time greatest DCs in NFL history is not a snub
And that Hall of Fame DC (I believe he should be) kept him on and fire every other coach, that also should mean something about what is thought of Moss.
"We want to win. The Raider fans deserve it. The Raider players deserve it, even my organization deserves it. You have to win and you have to win with a vision for the Super Bowl. That's our passion here."--Al Davis
"Winning isn't everything, but wanting to win is."--Vince Lombardi
by Marcus Allen Krause on Jan 23, 2012 2:16 PM PST up reply actions
Honestly Marcus
What is this fervent need to defend Moss? NOBODY wanted him for a DC, not even the Packers. And he’s already been interviewed by Al and the Rams for an HC position and been passed over. I think that pretty much says it all. This guy is not ready to move up the ladder yet.
And it’s kind of a stretch calling Capers one of the all time greats when the GB’s defense was almost as bad as ours. He’s been fired by 3 different teams already.
This is just smacks of Packer homerism.
No shit...that he used to play for the Raiders doesnt mean shit to me either.
The cowards never started, the weak died along the way....
by BlackHeartSilverEyes on Jan 23, 2012 10:24 AM PST up reply actions
The linebackers in that unit have all played very well, including back up no name linebackers performing great under Moss
Its not as simple as their D sucks so everybody associated with it sucks. Their D is meant to give up yards so they have more chances at turnovers as well so its not like the stats can be cut and dry on them. Moss is a great coach, not my front runner for the job but he is definitely worthy of consideration.
"We want to win. The Raider fans deserve it. The Raider players deserve it, even my organization deserves it. You have to win and you have to win with a vision for the Super Bowl. That's our passion here."--Al Davis
"Winning isn't everything, but wanting to win is."--Vince Lombardi
by Marcus Allen Krause on Jan 23, 2012 10:26 AM PST up reply actions
Then let's make him the new linebackers coach..
The cowards never started, the weak died along the way....
by BlackHeartSilverEyes on Jan 23, 2012 10:39 AM PST up reply actions
come on dude thats a bit of an unreasonable response
If his portion of a poor performing defense excelled then he deserves a look at a promotion, not a horizontal move. He has no reason to leave Green Bay for it not to be a promotion. I would love for him to come in as our DC rather than HC. Nobody has experience at a job until somebody is willing to take the chance to offer them the spot to get experience.
"We want to win. The Raider fans deserve it. The Raider players deserve it, even my organization deserves it. You have to win and you have to win with a vision for the Super Bowl. That's our passion here."--Al Davis
"Winning isn't everything, but wanting to win is."--Vince Lombardi
by Marcus Allen Krause on Jan 23, 2012 10:56 AM PST up reply actions
If they excelled
Except McCarthy said:
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news;ylt=A2KJjb1guh1PJz8ATb1NbK5?slug=ap-packers-deficientdefense
So probably they didn’t.
I watched every single game of the Packers season, the ILBs excelled even if the overall defense did not.
"We want to win. The Raider fans deserve it. The Raider players deserve it, even my organization deserves it. You have to win and you have to win with a vision for the Super Bowl. That's our passion here."--Al Davis
"Winning isn't everything, but wanting to win is."--Vince Lombardi
by Marcus Allen Krause on Jan 23, 2012 2:14 PM PST up reply actions
And Moss only coaches the INSIDE LBs
Kevin Greene coaches the OLBs like Matthews…
we never retreat we always ATTACK!!!
by transparent58 on Jan 23, 2012 12:03 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah but the INSIDE LBs are the ones I am talking about playing great
Matthews always plays great because of who he is, although Greene helped that a lot too, the other outside linebackers were not impressive at all. The inside linebackers were the ones making numerous plays.
"We want to win. The Raider fans deserve it. The Raider players deserve it, even my organization deserves it. You have to win and you have to win with a vision for the Super Bowl. That's our passion here."--Al Davis
"Winning isn't everything, but wanting to win is."--Vince Lombardi
by Marcus Allen Krause on Jan 23, 2012 2:14 PM PST up reply actions
Ok...then why do we have to be the proving ground? I am not unreasonable in stating he should be the LB coach.
I dont see him as a HC…gotta leave me to MHO….Dc maybe…LBC for sure.
The cowards never started, the weak died along the way....
by BlackHeartSilverEyes on Jan 23, 2012 12:40 PM PST up reply actions
It would not be unreasonable to state he should be the Linebacker coach in Green Bay, but he is not moving from there for that position on any other team.
"We want to win. The Raider fans deserve it. The Raider players deserve it, even my organization deserves it. You have to win and you have to win with a vision for the Super Bowl. That's our passion here."--Al Davis
"Winning isn't everything, but wanting to win is."--Vince Lombardi
by Marcus Allen Krause on Jan 23, 2012 2:13 PM PST up reply actions
MAK...let me put it another way:
When Al was alive, we went thru a number of incredibly poor coaching choices. Why? No quality coach wished to come and be under Al’s thumb. I totally think, again my humble opinion, that we might have been able to hire Harbough instead last year…we had some ties to him from the past I believe and there was no way in hell he would work in Oakland. People say he was too expensive…perhaps, but its not like Al couldnt afford him. Shit, the money he threw at Javon Walker speaks to that…but we ended up with Jackson. Not bad at first, but…well, we all know how that ended up.
I want quality coaches in Oakland. It was so pathetic when Art Shell came back and got his OC, who had been away from football for years to leave the B&B he was running because NO ONE wanted to work here. We went 2-14 that year. The fucking Raiders…at one time with the best winning percentage of any sports team….2-14. It was just fucking insulting..and depressing. So I am ready, now that the ownership has shifted, to get some quality people onboard. No more micro-managment and a 1976 defensive scheme. So thats where I am coming from. Quality, not school or training for HC/DC positions. If everyone is screaming for chucky…then match his MNF salary. They need to pay for the coach. Al would zip up his fucking wallet when someone said ‘pay the coach’….that’s over with.
So…that’s where I am coming from. This last decade has been just too painful. We’re not the Seahawks…the Browns…the loser Vikings….or some other pathetic team who suffers chronic fucking up and poorly run front offices…we’re the Oakland Raiders.
Damn right!
The cowards never started, the weak died along the way....
by BlackHeartSilverEyes on Jan 23, 2012 1:06 PM PST up reply actions
I hear you on that but the difference is simply the belief that Moss is very much a Quality coach.
I completely agree that I dont want him as our head coach right now so im not arguing that, but to offer him only a lateral movement wouldnt make any sense at all. He wouldnt take that. I dont mind that he hasnt been a DC before now, I honestly think he will be a great one when given the opportunity. I agree I want someone who has been there before and has a better chance of success at HC. I dont think the previous experience matters nearly as much for the DC though, I mean Panda has a decade of DC experience. He is worth giving a shot to in that capacity and is a very very quality coach. He is detail orientated and a master motivator.
"We want to win. The Raider fans deserve it. The Raider players deserve it, even my organization deserves it. You have to win and you have to win with a vision for the Super Bowl. That's our passion here."--Al Davis
"Winning isn't everything, but wanting to win is."--Vince Lombardi
by Marcus Allen Krause on Jan 23, 2012 2:12 PM PST up reply actions
Hey thte are recycled coaches that are total douchebags as head coaches
They work good as assistants but blow as HCs. Morhinweg, Philips, Del Rio, Capers, Childress, Tice….
I dont know where Moss is in there…as a DC maybe…but I dont eant to see these other turds anywhere near the HC position. Panda learned nothing….he was a douchebag before he came back to Oakland.
The cowards never started, the weak died along the way....
by BlackHeartSilverEyes on Jan 23, 2012 6:03 PM PST up reply actions

by 
































