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Well Raider Nation, again after anotherseason in which we were supposed to improve, we find ourselves talking about next season the day after Week 17 Sunday. I cant begin to stress how dissapointed I am so lets not get into that, I wanted to share ideas of how we should prepare for next year position by position, more after the jump.

Star-divide

So not having the first 4 rounds hurts, but we have a couple of compensatory 3rd rounds for Zach and Nnamdi, we should only use these picks for depth. At the end of the post I have what should be, in my opinion, the final depth chart for 2012.

Coaching Staff-

Hue: Stays

Chuck: GONE (Del Rio, Spagnuolo, Nolan)

Saunders: Stays

Woodson: Gone (Lets accept that he was one great player but coaching isnt his thing)

Offense:

QB: Palmer has to stay, and lets just get through our heads, I understand if some of you dont like him but you cant have blind faith, the guy is our QB for 2012, like him or not. I do like him, again, like Ive always said, what if JC had come in the situation that Palmer came in? QB is a complex position in which you just cant come in and start playing like Brady, Palmer had no control over what was traded for him and moving forward all we can do is support him, JC will be gone. Dont bring in anyone, just drop Boller to 3 in the depth chart and move Pryor to 2. Pryor looks ready to take the backup role, Boller plain sucks and he is an acceptable 3 option, or you may want to dump him and bring in another bum, but I really dont care about 3.

RB: DMac stays, the man is very injury prone but at teh end of the day we all saw that Bush cant be an effective starter, he is pretty good but he will collapse at some point, even if DMac keeps missing 5 games a year we need his spark as long as we can have it. Trading one of the best for a draft pick ''the future'' is just dumb. That future can be another DMac but he can be another bust, DMac has shown he can be a dangerous weapon and believe me that if we let him go it will bite us in the ass. Bush is gone, someone will grab him because he will ask for a starting job with money, he wont work out that well for them though, we need to bring in a replacement for Bush, that to me is Mike Tolbert. The guy is as strong, if not stronger than Bush, has about the same speed and is very effective.

FB: Reece, hands down.

WR: Ive heard a lot of you talking about picking up Wayne or Bowe, listen up, we dont need those. We have DHB, Moore, and Ford. Ford was not used the best way he can be used this year because he was moved to the no.2 option, keep the man in the slot...he is a little Wes Welker, DHB and Moore as wideouts and maybe get Hagan back, keep Murphy for depth and dump Schilens. We have 3 starters and 2 more recievers for depth. Maybe we could draft a WR in a compensatory pick or in a trade, to add depth.

TE: Boss is definitely a blocking TE, aside from yesterdays outstanding catch, he isnt that reliable as a catcher, Myers can block decently, and can catch well, he is a little of both, not great but not bad either, and Ausberry is a WR turned into a TE, definitely a catching TE, we have a nice combo of 3, keep them all and dont bring in anyone who we wont use.

O-Line: As simple as getting a better right side, Valdheer and Wiz will only get better, we have no center though, Satele is not durable and struggles a lot. Carlisle should just retire, he was good but he is past his best days and is just ineffective, put in Bruce Campbell and give him a chance, and put in Barksdale at RT, if any of those is a bum which I doubt, bring in one free agent.

Defense: Switch to 3-4, thats what Ive been saying every time lol. Here is what I say we should do, trade Seymour (who isnt the leader anymore, and is getting old and slow) for a 2nd rounder, and use that 2nd rounder on a big, BIG nose tackle, a little John Henderson. Put Kelly and Shaugnessy at DEs. Wimbley and Curry would fit very well in a 3-4, they would be doing what Clay Matthews does, which is rushing the QB and blitzing a lot, they wouldnt be matched up against Vincent Jackson right??

MLBs: McClain and Goethel, bring in some depth in free agency.

OLBs: Wimbley and Curry, same here bring in some depth.

FS: Here is another thing, trade Huff for a 3rd rounder as someone will bite too. Use the 3rd rounder on either a WR or one of the LBs that will be depth. think that we should move Lito to FS, the guy is quick and has a good attitude, but is too small to be a CB in our system, he understands deep zone coverage very well and would do what Rod Woodson did at the end of his career, move from CB to S when you start being a little ineffective.

SS: Have Branch and Mitchell switching in different situations, those 2 I think should stay, maybe they will improve a little in coverage but that is just hope, I think they can improve though.

CB: Routt is a very good CB and you have to understand that, half of his penalties are actually BS, his discipline kills but he can shut down pretty much ANY no.1 reciever if you stick him to them, proof of that is how our stats reveal that we have pretty good numbers against no.1s but stuggle A LOT against no.2s, Calvin Johnson getting like 250 yards and a couple of TDs or no.1s getting a lot of numbers against us is when we play zone. The stats of us shutting down no.1s are when we use Man coverage, and that is what we are built to do, that is why I think we should bring in another lockdown guy like Cortland Finnegan. I have said it too, the man is really competitive, a leader and a lockdown corner, he does get into trouble but normally dont lead to penalties, he just has some extra fire but he doesnt have a history of penalites, aside from his fight with Andre Johnson he didnt get into major trouble and he can be a real leader. Keep developing Chekwa and DVD, the 2 were rookies be patient, if Al knew anything about modern day football it was CBs. Just wait, Nnamdi wasnt a start when he was a rookie either.

So, here is the final depth chart:

QB: Palmer, Pryor, Boller (or a free agent, not someone important maybe just one team hopper)

RB: DMac, Tolbert, Jones.

FB: Reece, Tonga

WR: Moore, DHB, Ford, Hagan (draft pick, maybe)

TE: Boss, Myers, Ausberry.

O-Line (from left to right): Valdheer, Wiz, (Free Agent), Campbell, Barksdale (or Free Agent)

DE: Shaugnessy, Kelly, (Free Agent to add depth) (Compensatory Pick)

DT: Joh Henderson, (Draft pick a 2nd rounder so we have a standout college player, maybe that dude from Clemson)

MLB: McClain, Goethel (Free Agent)

OLB: Wimbley, Curry (Compensatory pick)

CB: Routt, Finnegan, Chekwa, DVD

FS: Sheppard, Eugene

SS: Branch/Mitchell

As for STs I think we are good, we just need Hiram Eugene to come back next season as our gunner, maybe a free agent that can be on the other side but we are good.

Poll
What do you think should be the main focus on D? Aside from a Coordinator obviously.
Secondary
44 votes
D-Line
5 votes
Line Backers
25 votes
A change of scheme
54 votes

128 votes | Poll has closed

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This is probably the most reasonabe and realistic rosterbation I've read thus far

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by waive kent huskins on Jan 2, 2012 1:49 PM PST reply actions  

I want Barnes gone.

He’s a 7 year veteran and he led our O-line in presnap penalties.

by ROFLCOPTER16 on Jan 2, 2012 3:32 PM PST reply actions  

Wimbley had a terrible season.

Apart from one game matched up against a backup O-lineman he was a total disappointment.

McClain needs to step up his game in coverage or go.

Jano needs to stay healthy. His hammy never fully recovered. 2010 Jano would not be short on a 59-yarder.

Bush was running soft towards the end of the season. He’d hit the line and drop straight down. Let him go and grab someone else.

This team could make a run if they stayed healthy.

by ROFLCOPTER16 on Jan 2, 2012 3:36 PM PST up reply actions  

Not understanding your take on the RB situation

Bush was playing with a bruised shoulder towards the end of the season. We saw what he could do in the first game against SD when at full strength and getting some holes to run through. He dominated in that game. Our only good RB with durability.

Meanwhile, our “star” only gives us 6 games. Injured yet again.

Also, Routt commits plenty of dumb penalties. He gave them a TD yesterday. No way is he worth what Al gave him.

by rightnasty on Jan 2, 2012 7:57 PM PST up reply actions  

We need Bush back. We’re a two back, heavy running team, with hopefully balanced carries next year.

by JaKe. on Jan 2, 2012 9:58 PM PST up reply actions  

Agreed

Routt is making too damn much. While he did suffer a few bullshit calls, he held a lot and if he was beat he would just lose all focus and grab. He can be good, but for some reason this year he regressed. Bush did what he could. His shoulder injury will occur again if we use him like we did. He is not a #1 back. I like him, but he wore down playing #1 for only 10 games. Sign him if possible, if not it won’t be a huge loss. Nnamdi was the biggest loss this year and it showed towards the end. DMAC, well, if he gets hurt again I hope he gets cut. Seriously, if he suffers another big injury, he needs to quit football.

by lakers007raiders on Jan 2, 2012 11:32 PM PST up reply actions  

Bush

I agree with you on Bush. Many posters are saying he should go but the man had a few hundred yard games and came up just short of a thousand yard season and he only started after game 6. Many were enthralled by MacFadden’s bursts, as was I, but he’s not durable. Bush should stay as the change of pace runner like the Giants have with Bradshaw and the other guy. And Bush is durable, even playing at the end with a bum shoulder. And what’s with MacFadden’s injury? Out 10 weeks and no explanation. Most players have pride and a desire to play and try to come back before the end of the season. I’ve never seen a back out that long unless it was a broken leg, ACL or bum knee. Something is bogus with that injury. I think Hue should have put his ass out there at least against San Diego to see if he could go. He11, if he got re-injured at least he’d have the whole off season to heal instead of 10 weeks in season when the team needed him.

by havbrush on Jan 3, 2012 10:54 AM PST up reply actions  

It's not about whethter people want Bush back...it's at what price

The guy had a damn fine season all things considered and he’s looking to get paid and he more than likely would want #1 RB money and who can blame him? He probably also wants the playing time he deserves as well. I like Bush and all but I don’t think we can reasonably afford to keep him but that will depend on the market and his demands. We are going to be strapped for cash again this offseason and we need a creative GM that can get us some wiggle room under the cap to make some moves.

You know what would make a good story? Something about a clown who makes people happy, but inside he's real sad. Also, he has severe diarrhea.

by Buster Bluth on Jan 3, 2012 11:26 AM PST up reply actions  

I was looking at some more advanced metrics and Wimbly actually compared very favourably to DeMarcus Ware this season

OREGON DUCKS ROSE BOWL CHAMPIONS - Time to drink Dr Pepper and ship stuff with UPS!!!!!

ONE NATION UNDER AL
Respect the reputation or it's an altercation.

by Ozraider on Jan 3, 2012 3:03 AM PST up reply actions  

Wimbley was top 5 in QB pressures this year

I think he’s overpaid for sure but the guy isn’t a disappointment. The biggest issue with Wimbley this season was the loss of Shaunessy. Shaunessy’s play allowed Wimbley to get free a lot more easily and make moves to the QB. Losing Shaunessy this season really killed our pass rush.

You know what would make a good story? Something about a clown who makes people happy, but inside he's real sad. Also, he has severe diarrhea.

by Buster Bluth on Jan 3, 2012 5:31 AM PST up reply actions  

Barnes started out well but regressed significantly as did the entire o-line

OREGON DUCKS ROSE BOWL CHAMPIONS - Time to drink Dr Pepper and ship stuff with UPS!!!!!

ONE NATION UNDER AL
Respect the reputation or it's an altercation.

by Ozraider on Jan 3, 2012 3:02 AM PST up reply actions  

Very realistic however you forgot about my man Matt Giordano, dudes a stud. He's a must keep

Bush needs to go. He’s a good player and a great guy but he’s expecting more than he’s worth. We should of resigned him planning to trade him, we could get 2nd or 3rd rounder for him. I doubt sd will let Tolbert walk but he would add allot of power to our running game.

I realize WR are not needed but I’m thinking we could get Steve Johnson from the bills cheap. He grew up in the bay as a raider fan.

by Dark Hole on Jan 3, 2012 12:48 AM PST reply actions  

After sering Johnson against the Jets

He’s just a TO wanna-be. We need healthy WRs, not dickheads.
I agree with you about Giordano. He stepped up. He just needs a decent DC.

The cowards never started, the weak died along the way....

by BlackHeartSilverEyes on Jan 3, 2012 3:33 AM PST up reply actions  

Pryor is ready for the #2 job?

Oh…because of his only snap…a false start. Yeah, I guess he’s ready…he knows the offense…line up, false start, repeat.

You know what would make a good story? Something about a clown who makes people happy, but inside he's real sad. Also, he has severe diarrhea.

by Buster Bluth on Jan 3, 2012 5:25 AM PST reply actions  

I am talking about next year, he wont be suspende

and will be able to get more in sync, plus, you cant tell me the guy is worse than Boller….

by RaiderPride20 on Jan 3, 2012 11:49 AM PST up reply actions  

Other than Branch, the secondary needs an overhaul

I like Routt but he’s not a great #1 cover corner. He doesn’t play nearly to the level of his contract and that is the most unsettling part. Chris Johnson is better suited to be a dime package player. I liked what I saw out of Chekwa and I think he could develop into a solid #2 guy. DVD hasn’t shown much this year but he was hurt for most of it so the jury is still out on him but from what I did see of him, he has a ways to go.

Huff is overpaid and he just isn’t very consistent. His tackling is mediocre and his cover skills are decent but overall he’s just average. Gio was the one of the hottest/coldest players we had this season. The guy made some outstanding plays but made some real head scratchers too. If he could be a little more consistent with his coverage skills then he could stick on this team.

Mitchell used to be good for one thing each year…covering Gates twice a season. Now he can’t even seem to do that so I think it’s time to let the guy go. He doesn’t really bring anything to the team.

You know what would make a good story? Something about a clown who makes people happy, but inside he's real sad. Also, he has severe diarrhea.

by Buster Bluth on Jan 3, 2012 5:38 AM PST reply actions  

ITS THIS SIMPLE AND THIS IS HOW IT BEGINS TO GET TO WHERE WE WANT TO BE

Chuck- FIRED
GM- HIRED
DC- HIRED
Routt- PAYCUT
Chris Johnson- PAYCUT/CUT
HUFF- TRADED
TJ- CUT

Success is not measuredby what you accomplish, but by the opposition you have encountered, and the courage with which you have maintained the struggle against overwhelming odds...
-Orison Swett Marden

by NYraider29 on Jan 3, 2012 10:29 AM PST reply actions  

I will admit that maybe Routt is a little overpaid

He underachieved this year due to his huge contract, that was Nnamdi’s money. But the guy is still pretty good, I think he would be a beast no.2 and hopefully he is humble enough to re-structure his contract. Thats why I want to bring in Finnegan, he is a real no.1 option, and I know the guy is a leader on his team. And he isnt THAT troublesome.

by RaiderPride20 on Jan 3, 2012 11:52 AM PST reply actions  

i like huff!

nickle back is not his position and when he was a safety in 2010 he had a stellar career.

by tatum25 on Jan 3, 2012 10:03 PM PST reply actions  

we need linebackers

how we are goign to get quality maybe free agency hopefully!

by tatum25 on Jan 3, 2012 10:05 PM PST reply actions  

Just a few questions ...

Did you watch that SD game that ended our season? Because if you did, I really don’t see how you want Lito Sheppard back for the S&B next season. He did not even remotely hold down his side of the field. Norv and Phyllis went at his side of the field all day long, and I thought he was flat-out god-awful. And if he’s too small to be a CB, as you mentioned, how is he big enough to be a Safety? That doesn’t make much sense to me, but maybe I’m missing something.

Secondly, I don’t get some people’s Ford/Welker comparisons. Have you ever SEEN Wes Welker? Yeah, he’s short and fast, so I can see the comparison w/Ford there, but that dude is like a slimmer, faster version of Maurice Jones-Drew. IOW, he’s a fireplug, or as my stepmom would say, a ‘built like a brick shithouse’. He’s also a veteran with amazing field awareness, which means he knows how to avoid taking the big hit for the most part (he’s like Timmy Brown and Jerry Rice in this regard).

Basically Jacoby Ford’s build and skill level is NOTHING like that of Wes Welker. He belongs on the outside, stretching the field with his speed, where he’s likely to be taking hits from Cornerbacks and Safeties, not linebackers. He’ll get killed in the slot, and then we won’t have him. DHB is a much more logical slot guy, IMHO.

I do like most of the rest of your thoughts, although I’m starting to wonder whether Bruce Campbell is ever going to make it into a starting lineup in the NFL, I’m not that high on Mike Mitchell as a starter, I think Gio is a better Safety and should stay a Raider, if for no other reason than that he seems to have some kind of cloaking device that makes QB’s completely ignore his presence in the red zone.

I’m also not really on the ‘trade Huff’ bandwagon, as I think you could see our Defense struggle (even more than it did before) when he was out for the last few games of the season (did he even play against SD? I don’t remember hearing his number called for anything …). If we could somehow pull a coup and get a 2nd rounder for him, I’d be cool w/it, but not for less.

by Brett J Valjalo on Jan 5, 2012 8:37 AM PST reply actions  


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